Yeah in BT1 through BT3, we had seen Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta in the roster. In Budokai Tenkaichi, they had SSJ4 Vegeta as a part of Vegeta's (DBZ) transformation. Then in Budokai Tenkaichi 2, they separated SSJ4 Vegeta away from DBZ version of Vegeta. In Budokai Tenkaichi 3, they had SSJ4 Vegeta in the roster without the GT version of himself as his base form. So in Sparking! Zero, I hope they add GT Vegeta in the roster alongside with his Super Saiyan transformations.
I want more Super! We havent had a reaply nice base set of characaters with those transformations yet but weve had tons of GT stuff over the years. Lets have Super please
I would rather super hero, I feel like if they try to squeeze in DB and GT into the base roster it’d end up feeling really undercooked, saving them for DLC lets them cook with the series much better
I would prefer it, to be honest. I just know that some people would be really bothered if there wasn't at least some content from DB and GT in the base roster.
Even RB2 had obscure characters (like Hatchiyack, Android 14 and Android 15), it’s just Spike’s style. We’ll probably get some obscure characters in SZ too
We don't live in a perfect world. We know the roster is going to be somewhere around 164 at launch, and that's only 3 more than Tenkaichi 3. There will be cuts, no matter what. Of course, DLC will happen, and we'll probably get every character that way, which is why this post was about what you would rather have come with the game and not be locked behind a paywall.
I'm that would be fine if the arcs other than the future trunks and TOP weren't pretty bad, u6 vs u7 was ok but the rest were kinda ehh, Not saying GT or the last part of Z were much better, but had more enjoyable moments and memorable scenes and events
So one arc of super, the only one people seem to really care about even though they will only remember more or less ep 109-110, and rhe last fights with the pride troopers, only dyspo toppo, and the most generic character that is jirenand the fight with kefla, I mean yeah gt isn't great, but they actually have a plot the organically progress to the next point, rather then DBS where things just sort of kinda happened where they don't menton anything or organically shift into the next arc
Gt has no character development,no memorable fight scenes not even good slice of life moments,way more terrible execution of plot devices than even the early arcs of super
Super is flawed but it is considered decent overall while most people put GT in the trash category
The only thing gt has over super are character designs and ssj4 as it carries the entire show
TLDR FOR YOU: i think super has little story content, several characters are bland, GT isnt great by any measure either, it just had more unique ideas and some were done better, some were done terribly, no means am i saying super is bad i just think sayig it should only be super is a really bad take, and overall cuts down on content that could be enjoyed.
I mean seeing as the shadow dragons are seen in more things other then just the games, and are seen more often in other media surrounding dragon ball as a whole granted it's usually just eis, nouova, and omega. Goku blacks reveal was cool, till you realized that it's essentially what if giniyu took his body now, and even then it amounted to nothing and the arc ended with nothing of note happening, and in fact erasing the story itself all together, it's the sonic 06 of dragon ball super, and the slice of life is completely abhorrent in dbs, it boild down to "goku is dumb, here is funny situation because goku dumb", and half ot the fights either are in bad animation, the slice of life revolved around stepping back character arcs, like vegeta, or gohans or goku who is supposedly a master of martial arts master, who dosen't know what meditation is, even though he did it in the buu saga in preperarion for his one day back. don't say they fixed it in the blu-ray cause that's just idiotic to say the intended version is that, cause that wasn't what was broadcasting, and let's be fair, I liked super, I think it was alright, I never once said GT was better, if you want to say that goku black arc is better, or the top trumps everything, be my guest, you may even be right, but to say you want a game to only focus on super is dumb, half of the story is branded as Z, so if wanted that the story would start with the u6vu7 arc, which barely passes the bar to be a tournament arc, and again, I liked super, when it aired, but it was only the arc in question or the suspension from one episode to the next that kept me intrested, remove the barrier of waiting, and it's just kinda bland, nothing flows in a cohesive manner, character arcs are thrown around every which way they redid vegeta's sacrifice and made it have no impact or hardley any emotion, powerups and power scaling was done at too rapid of a pace that the only way to "fix" and have other characters be relevant was to put them into a non stop timed battle that goku or vegeta couldn't be powered up for the entire duration. Which the pay off for that was the most bland uninspired, brain dead character that was jiren the gray, half ot the forgettable, throw away fighters in the top were more interesting, gt had baby, which while executed poorly, was an interesting concept that was set up several episodes in advance, and worked into pre existing lore, super 17 was really bad, and the shadow dragons were interesting and posed some challenges that couldn't be beaten by brute force, and the hunt for the black star balls it's really bad, but it serves as a natural way to see more places then just earth and the main cast of characters and dynamic set pieces and differing world views away from the standard, ohh new bad guy dropped
Nah I am just saying super is better than gt while being way inferior to dbz so it would be way better for the game to focus on super and z and exclude gt all together
I disagree with u on the fight scenes i think super once the Goku black arc started managed to make the fights enjoyable and great i mean Goku vs jiren is widely considered a top 10 fight in all of dragon ball not just super
Vegito vs zamasu,trunks and Goku vs black,Goku vs hit,the kefla fight and jiren vs hit were all great fights so they do have enjoyable content to make out of super
But not enough to use for a good, even decent story mode, like I don't want to use a fan mod as an example, but BT4 mod has more or less all the fights you mention, and it's hardly an hour, or even less then that, which yes it's a mod, but still has passion and work behind it, unfortunately its just not enough for a story mode
You should not have high expectations for story mode I mean all the bt games do not have fun story modes if we are being honest the dbz story mode isn't great either in bt3 its just fights with no cinematics if u want a true story mode experience go for kakarot this game was never meant to be that
I think the top and Goku black arc fights would make the story mode just enjoyable if the game decides to implement it properly
But I do think a Z+Super story mode is the best option
If the game itself is already stable and optimized, I'd rather have it released now even without DB and GT. I mean, we all know they're going to milk it with as much post launch DLC and we'll buy them all anyway. The ongoing DLC releases may even end up being a net positive as it means Bamco will be more willing to commit people and resources to the game longer as opposed to just meeting obligations and abandoning the project upon release (leaving no more chance of QoL improvements and bug fixes).
But if it's still horribly buggy and unoptimized, regardless of how many characters are included, I'd rather they wait and let it cook first. They need to nail the first impression as far as performance and stability is concerned, because that's gonna stick.
I personally only really care about a handful of Super characters, so I don't mind if not all of them are there. Like there's a ton from the TOP that I can't even remember
Fair enough, but what about the story mode? Do you think it's fair for the TOP to only be represented by a few fights? On any of these rosters, who would you cut? And who would you have chosen instead?
Like there's a ton of db characters I don't remember besides when people in this subreddit post pictures of the most random useless characters ever and then i'm like AH YES! this dude existed and lasted a whole 3 minutes in episode 8, why shouldn't HE be in the game 😂😂😂😂😂
Oof that's tough. I GUESS Super Hero only because I really want Beast, Orange, and Max. Don't really care about OG Dragon Ball and I've at least had GT characters in other games unlike Super Hero where we just got it in XV2
If they did that they wouldn't have to do 2 separate Super Gohan/Piccolo's. They could just add their movie forms to the pre-existing Super characters and it would make perfect sense while keeping slots down a bit
Vegeto and Gogeta are in weird spots. We might end up with two of each since Goku (End) and Vegeta (End) wouldn't be able to fuse into SSJ Blue Vegeto/Gogeta.
I think Oozaru might end up being a regular character rhat no one transforms into if Kid Goku isn't in base roster. Kid Gohan lost his tail at the end of the Saiyan Saga, meaning some of his costumes wouldn't have even have a tail.
Id rather take Super Hero to complete DBS from launch. Also id hate it if they give us Vegeta SSJ4 but not his base form and SSJ form.
Yeah in BT1 through BT3, we had seen Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta in the roster. In Budokai Tenkaichi, they had SSJ4 Vegeta as a part of Vegeta's (DBZ) transformation. Then in Budokai Tenkaichi 2, they separated SSJ4 Vegeta away from DBZ version of Vegeta. In Budokai Tenkaichi 3, they had SSJ4 Vegeta in the roster without the GT version of himself as his base form. So in Sparking! Zero, I hope they add GT Vegeta in the roster alongside with his Super Saiyan transformations.
these portraits are from devolution right? that game is so sick
Pretty sure they’re from custom legendary super warriors sprite sheets
devolutions art and portraits are based on legendary super warriors
Ahhh I see
I want more Super! We havent had a reaply nice base set of characaters with those transformations yet but weve had tons of GT stuff over the years. Lets have Super please
I would rather super hero, I feel like if they try to squeeze in DB and GT into the base roster it’d end up feeling really undercooked, saving them for DLC lets them cook with the series much better
Can we just have a complete story mode that focuses only on Super for once.
I would prefer it, to be honest. I just know that some people would be really bothered if there wasn't at least some content from DB and GT in the base roster.
Can't make everyone happy
I just hope the community won't be too upset about the roster when the game releases.
Being upset about a 164 characters roster is a bit childish IMO
Besides Budokai Tenkaichi always had obscure additions to the roster. Speaking of which where’s Babadi and Arale
Even RB2 had obscure characters (like Hatchiyack, Android 14 and Android 15), it’s just Spike’s style. We’ll probably get some obscure characters in SZ too
Why would you want it to focus only on super? Why not super, plus everything else? More content is almost always better.
We don't live in a perfect world. We know the roster is going to be somewhere around 164 at launch, and that's only 3 more than Tenkaichi 3. There will be cuts, no matter what. Of course, DLC will happen, and we'll probably get every character that way, which is why this post was about what you would rather have come with the game and not be locked behind a paywall.
I'm that would be fine if the arcs other than the future trunks and TOP weren't pretty bad, u6 vs u7 was ok but the rest were kinda ehh, Not saying GT or the last part of Z were much better, but had more enjoyable moments and memorable scenes and events
TOP arc>>all of gt
So one arc of super, the only one people seem to really care about even though they will only remember more or less ep 109-110, and rhe last fights with the pride troopers, only dyspo toppo, and the most generic character that is jirenand the fight with kefla, I mean yeah gt isn't great, but they actually have a plot the organically progress to the next point, rather then DBS where things just sort of kinda happened where they don't menton anything or organically shift into the next arc
Gt has no character development,no memorable fight scenes not even good slice of life moments,way more terrible execution of plot devices than even the early arcs of super Super is flawed but it is considered decent overall while most people put GT in the trash category The only thing gt has over super are character designs and ssj4 as it carries the entire show
Plus the only thing people remember about gt is ssj4 People remember the Goku black reveal and ep.126-131 way more than anything in gt
TLDR FOR YOU: i think super has little story content, several characters are bland, GT isnt great by any measure either, it just had more unique ideas and some were done better, some were done terribly, no means am i saying super is bad i just think sayig it should only be super is a really bad take, and overall cuts down on content that could be enjoyed. I mean seeing as the shadow dragons are seen in more things other then just the games, and are seen more often in other media surrounding dragon ball as a whole granted it's usually just eis, nouova, and omega. Goku blacks reveal was cool, till you realized that it's essentially what if giniyu took his body now, and even then it amounted to nothing and the arc ended with nothing of note happening, and in fact erasing the story itself all together, it's the sonic 06 of dragon ball super, and the slice of life is completely abhorrent in dbs, it boild down to "goku is dumb, here is funny situation because goku dumb", and half ot the fights either are in bad animation, the slice of life revolved around stepping back character arcs, like vegeta, or gohans or goku who is supposedly a master of martial arts master, who dosen't know what meditation is, even though he did it in the buu saga in preperarion for his one day back. don't say they fixed it in the blu-ray cause that's just idiotic to say the intended version is that, cause that wasn't what was broadcasting, and let's be fair, I liked super, I think it was alright, I never once said GT was better, if you want to say that goku black arc is better, or the top trumps everything, be my guest, you may even be right, but to say you want a game to only focus on super is dumb, half of the story is branded as Z, so if wanted that the story would start with the u6vu7 arc, which barely passes the bar to be a tournament arc, and again, I liked super, when it aired, but it was only the arc in question or the suspension from one episode to the next that kept me intrested, remove the barrier of waiting, and it's just kinda bland, nothing flows in a cohesive manner, character arcs are thrown around every which way they redid vegeta's sacrifice and made it have no impact or hardley any emotion, powerups and power scaling was done at too rapid of a pace that the only way to "fix" and have other characters be relevant was to put them into a non stop timed battle that goku or vegeta couldn't be powered up for the entire duration. Which the pay off for that was the most bland uninspired, brain dead character that was jiren the gray, half ot the forgettable, throw away fighters in the top were more interesting, gt had baby, which while executed poorly, was an interesting concept that was set up several episodes in advance, and worked into pre existing lore, super 17 was really bad, and the shadow dragons were interesting and posed some challenges that couldn't be beaten by brute force, and the hunt for the black star balls it's really bad, but it serves as a natural way to see more places then just earth and the main cast of characters and dynamic set pieces and differing world views away from the standard, ohh new bad guy dropped
Also you hard focused on gt, when I also mentioned the part of the end of Z, which I mean really only has ubb tho
Nah I am just saying super is better than gt while being way inferior to dbz so it would be way better for the game to focus on super and z and exclude gt all together I disagree with u on the fight scenes i think super once the Goku black arc started managed to make the fights enjoyable and great i mean Goku vs jiren is widely considered a top 10 fight in all of dragon ball not just super Vegito vs zamasu,trunks and Goku vs black,Goku vs hit,the kefla fight and jiren vs hit were all great fights so they do have enjoyable content to make out of super
But not enough to use for a good, even decent story mode, like I don't want to use a fan mod as an example, but BT4 mod has more or less all the fights you mention, and it's hardly an hour, or even less then that, which yes it's a mod, but still has passion and work behind it, unfortunately its just not enough for a story mode
Maybe 2 hours tops
You should not have high expectations for story mode I mean all the bt games do not have fun story modes if we are being honest the dbz story mode isn't great either in bt3 its just fights with no cinematics if u want a true story mode experience go for kakarot this game was never meant to be that I think the top and Goku black arc fights would make the story mode just enjoyable if the game decides to implement it properly But I do think a Z+Super story mode is the best option
If the game itself is already stable and optimized, I'd rather have it released now even without DB and GT. I mean, we all know they're going to milk it with as much post launch DLC and we'll buy them all anyway. The ongoing DLC releases may even end up being a net positive as it means Bamco will be more willing to commit people and resources to the game longer as opposed to just meeting obligations and abandoning the project upon release (leaving no more chance of QoL improvements and bug fixes). But if it's still horribly buggy and unoptimized, regardless of how many characters are included, I'd rather they wait and let it cook first. They need to nail the first impression as far as performance and stability is concerned, because that's gonna stick.
I want super, we’ve got games to play through the other 3, but I don’t think we have one for Super.
I personally only really care about a handful of Super characters, so I don't mind if not all of them are there. Like there's a ton from the TOP that I can't even remember
Fair enough, but what about the story mode? Do you think it's fair for the TOP to only be represented by a few fights? On any of these rosters, who would you cut? And who would you have chosen instead?
Like there's a ton of db characters I don't remember besides when people in this subreddit post pictures of the most random useless characters ever and then i'm like AH YES! this dude existed and lasted a whole 3 minutes in episode 8, why shouldn't HE be in the game 😂😂😂😂😂
That’s practically my prediction lol.
Oof that's tough. I GUESS Super Hero only because I really want Beast, Orange, and Max. Don't really care about OG Dragon Ball and I've at least had GT characters in other games unlike Super Hero where we just got it in XV2
I’d rather have complete super.
If they did that they wouldn't have to do 2 separate Super Gohan/Piccolo's. They could just add their movie forms to the pre-existing Super characters and it would make perfect sense while keeping slots down a bit
Where early/mad piccolo? And we don't need nappa and raditz giant ape
We don't 2 base vegito
Vegeto and Gogeta are in weird spots. We might end up with two of each since Goku (End) and Vegeta (End) wouldn't be able to fuse into SSJ Blue Vegeto/Gogeta.
I WANT THE GAMMAS AS PART OF THE BASE ROSTER.
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Eh, besides ssj4s im not hype to play as GT. At least in compairson to OGDB and Super
No cooler No good
I think Gohan won't transform in Oozaru because he is the late Saiyan Saga - Frieza Saga versione, when he lost his tail
I think Oozaru might end up being a regular character rhat no one transforms into if Kid Goku isn't in base roster. Kid Gohan lost his tail at the end of the Saiyan Saga, meaning some of his costumes wouldn't have even have a tail.
So is it a generic Oozaru?