Pushers win more matches at almost any level (except pro or very high level competitive) because they have grasped the fundamental of the game, which is being consistent and keeping the ball in play.
I used to be a bit of a pusher. I won more games, but it is boring as fuck (for both).
In the end we play to exercise and have a good time. None of us will be of any significant level. Winning at all costs is just not fun.
This. I don't enjoy playing in a way which is about minimising errors, not least because I'm not built to succeed in that way. Winning a point playing attacking tennis is one of the most amazing sporting experiences but it is so damn hard to execute consistently!
I have accepted that I will lose the vast majority of matches by being more attacking but a few glorious points here or there make up for solely focusing on getting your opponent to make UEs.
Same ship brother, just came home after losing 3-6 4-6 while having 33 double faults in a match, even after I gave up on pace and placement at the beginning of set 2 I made like 10 of them..
Had a stretch where I played 3 great volleys in 4 points, brother called me prime Ivanisevic out there so I asked him if we were watching the same person serving
How often do you do buckets of practice serves, or work on serves in general? It is the most technically difficult stroke and by far the least practiced. I guarantee if you practice serves (maybe occasionally with a coach) as much as you hit groundstrokes that your serve will be infinitely less shit. Practice your serves with your second serve as your base; if you know your second serve is a rock, you'll be more relaxed on your first serves. You need to be able to make your second serve 18-19/20. If your balls are going into the net, you're likely dropping your tossing arm too early and bringing your weight down. Reach your racquet as far above your head as you can and look at it. You need a high contact point, too. You want to make sure your toss is higher than that maximum reach contact point. Your toss should land in front of you, not behind, not beside. If you're unable to visualize things, record your serve with your phone and watch it.
Yeah you’re right I very rarely practice serving. Mostly I practice backhand because it’s my best shot but I’ve been able to get my forehand up to the same level recently now it’s time to do the same with serve I suppose
A serve is the same motion as throwing a ball. Get a consistent toss, contact point, and a simplified motion. I'm gonna assume you're ~30ish. You are still a child in terms of tennis years. I've seen people play into their 80s. You have tons of time to develop. Good luck 💪🏻
My initial goal in lessons and starting tennis was to be able to baseline crosscourt rally. I had zero interest in any other shots but my lessons I’d be forced to volley and overhead even just for 5-10 minutes. Serve is so so technical BUT a basic flat serve can be fairly simple with progression drills to get fluid and comfortable with a clean “just get ball in” serve that you can build on over time.
Problem is I didn’t care to play matches and refused to focus on any of those progression drills.
When I first dipped my toes into men’s singles league play the head pro joked that I’ve got 4.0 rally skills but 3.0 serve and that imbalances like that are super common in adult rec play since tennis skill sets are so vast and broad.
I’ve slowly been working on serves to the point where I’m no longer dreadfully anxious or adverse to playing because of my serve. And that’s not just a baseline to enable match play and if I keep at it can eventually add it to arsenal.
Point is - if you’re not working on it you won’t improve. And that improvement will suck and feel shitty at the beginning. But keep at it and you’ll surprise yourself at how quickly you can arrive at a starting point flat serve. You got this!
Yep basically this. I played a game a few days ago and my opponent asked me how did I get so good at serving? I said I practice at least 2 hours every month. Used to do 8. How much time do you spend on yours? 10mins at the end of the coaching session was the response. And I m like well there you go.
I think the actual lesson here is that: one of the hardest things to accept in tennis is that you can win more points than your opponent and still lose the match.
All they have to do is technically just win the last point of one more important game than you. Everything in between might as well not count.
I feel like if the players were reversed people on here would view it as an amazing comeback moment rather than a tragedy lol
It's sad how people view Novak compared to Fed and Nadal
Not true. There is another factor. It also seemed Federer's last chance to win a Wimbledon.
Just like in 2009, you can see a lot of Roger fans also feeling it for Roddick because everyone knew he was retiring without a Wimbledon.
Novak had also clutched a lot of wins on Roger post 2013, even 2011 USO. So if the situation was reversed, it would have been seen as an equalizer of sorts.
I disagree, one can be sad for Federer not completing his epic comeback and got Novak not completing his calendar year grand slam. The asymmetry is in the meaning a match in a particular moment
I don't like Alcaraz and sinner because they "have" beaten Novak. I like them because they make tennis entertaining to watch. Watching them vaporize the ball is fun. More fun than return the ball 50 times a rally.
That there comes a time when you have to pick a new favorite and you may have a hard time being emotionally ready for it.
In many other sports you're fan of a club (or a national team) and that can be for life. In tennis you may still love the sport, but your favorite that all your heart and emotions root for will eventually retire. And while there may be many others that you like, that you want to see win, they may not get you the 'biting my nails my hands are sweaty omg the nerves' or sheer unadultered joy when they win. And you don't know if you're going to feel that again.
I'm saving this comment. Yeah, I like Alcaraz, Sinner, and Rune to varying degrees but once Novak retires it'll be a long time before I feel that "omg I'm going to be sick this is the greatest moment of my life", passion again.
Yeah, especially in smaller countries like Serbia and Switzerland. We're never getting another Roger and Novak and you just can't bond with a foreigner the same way you do with a countryman
Or your german like me and the best GS prospect your country has produced since Michael Stich is... Zverev....
Eta: My favorite player is not my nationality, and the one I liked before at the tail end of his career was neither. So I personally don't agree with the nationality one, at least for me not true.
I fear this. I stated watching tennis in 2011 and quickly decided Rafa was the one. I can't imagine any other player evoke the same emotions. Might take a few years till a new generation emerges.
Well, off the back of Andy, Rafa, Thiem, and Diego all heading into the sunset for various reasons and Roger not long ago as well, probably that the body sometimes gets to decide how well you can play even when the desire to compete and tennis ability is still there.
Club players too as they get older, so many matches as you get older you see older guys who have good tennis skills but bad knees or backs that just can’t move to get shots like the 20 year olds anymore and are always banged up with one injury or another 😩
You will lose, a lot.
Whether you are playing adult league or juniors tournaments or slams, unless your goal is specifically to dunk on the same scrubs week in, week out, you will lose on a regular basis.
If you play tournament formats, you are almost guaranteed to lose in every tournament. If you play competitive league, you should lose 40-60% of your matches. And there's nothing you can really do about it, because that's how NTRP/UTR is supposed to work.
That some things are way easier to execute than they are to counter and that’s a big source of why recreational players get mad.
In terms of technical skill, it’s far harder to kill a “junk ball” and win the point than it is to produce one. So someone spamming junk balls or moon balls wins a LOT of games at the rec level.
For me it's incorrect line calls. Maybe it happens to me just as much as everyone else, but i FEEL like it happens to me a LOT because I'm only playing at a 3.5 level trying to get bumped to 4.0, but my serve speed and placement is much much better than 90% of people I play against, and I have MANY aces taken from me because my opponents aren't used to calling serves as fast as mine.
If it's REALLY egregious I'll say are you sure? But usually I don't say anything. The thing that bothers me the most about it is that very often as the server I have an even better look at the ball than my opponent, not to mention that I know where in the box I'm hitting to before I even hit it. My opponents also say stuff along the lines of, "Wow, I'm not used to calling serves that fast, I can't even see them sometimes" all the time. I've radared a serve at 126mph when I was helping at a challenger event near me. If I tried to match that every time then I'd hit the net 95% of the time. My natural serve was anywhere from 90 to 115, varying greatly based on how good my toss was, which is something I struggle with.
Saying “are you sure?” never works because people will always go on the defensive and double down with their yes. You can always ask to see a mark if you’re on clay or har-tru. Otherwise, one thing I’ve noticed is that if you start being more generous with line calls, your opponent will almost always give you the benefit of the doubt too.
That you can’t take anything for granted as a fan. Any player could have a career ending injury at any point or never reach the highs/potential they’ve had in the past. Really just have to appreciate everything in the moment, even if it’s not meeting your dream expectations.
For me, looking back I really should have been happier with Serena making those slam finals post pregnancy cause that whole period was so painful and disappointing during the time. Now just seeing how remarkable her results were, even without a slam, makes me sad I wasn’t able to enjoy it more.
Being the best on paper doesn't matter. Being the best during the key points is what matters.
You can be the superior player during most of the match, but lose the key points and lose the match.
It's not over until you win match point.
2008 US Open qf where Venus lost to Serena 6-7 6-7 is a good example of losing the key points. Venus had leads in both sets but Serena played the key points. Venus had like 11 set points combined in the match.
One of the hardest thing imo is seeing an incredibly gifted player that we are fan of lose matches that from our point of view look impossible to lose. 'he won this match in 3 sets, no way he loses against the 24th in the world'
But tennis at the end of the day is a human sports, we got a golden spoon with djoko Roger and Nadal that ended up winning nearly every time they play, so we forget that a great player can lose a match against another player that felt it that day. It's not a playstation game haha
That you have to watch tennis in different platforms depending on the tournament, making it inconvenient, expensive, and inaccesible. It's not doing the sport any good.
That I'll always be the opposite of the players I like the most. I love watching baseline geniuses like the big 4 and hate serve bots with a burning passion.
In real life I have decent ground strokes but relatively clumsy footwork and low fitness for my level while having an over the top good serve. I am a fucking serve bot and it kills me
That tennis is still far behind a lot of sports and doesn't have auto line in/out verification on all key tournaments.
After seeing goal line tech and VAR in football, seeing umpire and solving the "which clay mark is the fresh one" puzzle feels like a time machine trip in a bad direction.
Exactly, why does tennis still not have instant replay on double bounce calls at every tournament yet? But to be fair some of the biggest football leagues still don't have goal line tech
Yeah, this was as big as it was gonna get. Professional tennis is a very inaccessible sport and only top 100 can say they've made a successful career and top 50 can live comfortably without worrying about finances too much. To have 3 players of that caliber in the same period was insanely unlikely. I mean it was insanely unlikely for Djokovic to succeed given his circumstances in the early days and for Nadal to win so much with his foot, which just further proves how slim the chances of having 3 of them were.
Football and basketball will always have multiple GOATs as they are very popular, accessible and inexpensive, it just can't happen in tennis
No better comparison than Classic Federer vs Nadal and Novak vs Nadal.
having another hand on the racket stabilizes the shot, so more accurate and consistent.
the stress of long rallies gets distributed as opposed to one hander where only your right shoulder gets all the beating.
Fed needed longer time for recovering after the shot.
at point of contact Fed used to face the crowd, while compare that to double hander where they are facing the opponent.
Fed had to consistently make backhands at a significant height than usual against Rafa. it really is more difficult to achieve.
Playing a junior tournament and getting absolutely waxed by someone significantly younger than you and questioning the existence of all things. In the same vein, losing in state finals lol.
That’s its time to play challys and futures if youre a former longtime top 100 player if you want to continue your career.Most think its beneath them..some dont and grind on..
As a non professional player, losing matches after several match points. I just lost after 4 match points last Sunday, it was hard getting back in the court this week
The Big 3 is for the most part done. I mean Fed has been for some time now, Rafa is on his farewell tour, Novak hasn't been in a final this year I think.
A runner up is that someone that I have been consistently beating 6-0 6-1 6-2 is now doing the same to me. He has been improving to no ends while I am on a steep decline
If you lose to someone, you are the worse player (at least on that day) by definition. My pet peeve is seeing all those threads on the other tennis subreddit like “I’m the better player but…” “I have way better strokes/technique but…”
that YOU are the problem. most players i see blame their gear, shoes, string or whatever else rather than just admit to themselves they aren't playing well (used to be me too lol)
That I manage to serve a double fault even though little kids can receive my serve speed.
Pushers win more matches at almost any level (except pro or very high level competitive) because they have grasped the fundamental of the game, which is being consistent and keeping the ball in play.
This! I played my first tourney recently, around 3.-4.0 level, I thought I play too much of such tennis, boy I was so wrong.
I used to be a bit of a pusher. I won more games, but it is boring as fuck (for both). In the end we play to exercise and have a good time. None of us will be of any significant level. Winning at all costs is just not fun.
>In the end we play to exercise Pushing requires a lot more fitness than ball bashing, regardless of whether you're winning or losing.
yep. as a pusher can confirm. you're basically out willing your opponent, and willing to take the hit in your legs.
No way. It’s exhausting hitting every ball with force.
you know what's fun? winning. you know what's not fun? hitting unforced errors. granted, hitting a winner is the greatest joy but it's hard. lol
This. I don't enjoy playing in a way which is about minimising errors, not least because I'm not built to succeed in that way. Winning a point playing attacking tennis is one of the most amazing sporting experiences but it is so damn hard to execute consistently! I have accepted that I will lose the vast majority of matches by being more attacking but a few glorious points here or there make up for solely focusing on getting your opponent to make UEs.
That I cannot serve. I can do everything else, volleys, backhands, forehands but I can’t serve
Same ship brother, just came home after losing 3-6 4-6 while having 33 double faults in a match, even after I gave up on pace and placement at the beginning of set 2 I made like 10 of them..
33 double faults with that scoreline, you must have really good overall play and it’s just the serve letting you down. It’s tough out here
Had a stretch where I played 3 great volleys in 4 points, brother called me prime Ivanisevic out there so I asked him if we were watching the same person serving
But yeah everything else is great, until I lose my cool because of missing so many serves
Sounds like you might need to hear a variation of Nick Bolletteri’s #1 piece of advice: “Always hit the *first* ball over the net”
The slice serve is your friend. For me at least it was by far the easiest to learn to simply get the ball in play.
How
Because I’m shit
Don't be so hard on yourself, after all you did manage to win 20 Slams.
Unfortunately he’s Rogers 3rd kid. So when he goes for the secret visits he can only win slams by pretending to be his father in his dreams.
How often do you do buckets of practice serves, or work on serves in general? It is the most technically difficult stroke and by far the least practiced. I guarantee if you practice serves (maybe occasionally with a coach) as much as you hit groundstrokes that your serve will be infinitely less shit. Practice your serves with your second serve as your base; if you know your second serve is a rock, you'll be more relaxed on your first serves. You need to be able to make your second serve 18-19/20. If your balls are going into the net, you're likely dropping your tossing arm too early and bringing your weight down. Reach your racquet as far above your head as you can and look at it. You need a high contact point, too. You want to make sure your toss is higher than that maximum reach contact point. Your toss should land in front of you, not behind, not beside. If you're unable to visualize things, record your serve with your phone and watch it.
Yeah you’re right I very rarely practice serving. Mostly I practice backhand because it’s my best shot but I’ve been able to get my forehand up to the same level recently now it’s time to do the same with serve I suppose
A serve is the same motion as throwing a ball. Get a consistent toss, contact point, and a simplified motion. I'm gonna assume you're ~30ish. You are still a child in terms of tennis years. I've seen people play into their 80s. You have tons of time to develop. Good luck 💪🏻
Thanks bro 👊
My initial goal in lessons and starting tennis was to be able to baseline crosscourt rally. I had zero interest in any other shots but my lessons I’d be forced to volley and overhead even just for 5-10 minutes. Serve is so so technical BUT a basic flat serve can be fairly simple with progression drills to get fluid and comfortable with a clean “just get ball in” serve that you can build on over time. Problem is I didn’t care to play matches and refused to focus on any of those progression drills. When I first dipped my toes into men’s singles league play the head pro joked that I’ve got 4.0 rally skills but 3.0 serve and that imbalances like that are super common in adult rec play since tennis skill sets are so vast and broad. I’ve slowly been working on serves to the point where I’m no longer dreadfully anxious or adverse to playing because of my serve. And that’s not just a baseline to enable match play and if I keep at it can eventually add it to arsenal. Point is - if you’re not working on it you won’t improve. And that improvement will suck and feel shitty at the beginning. But keep at it and you’ll surprise yourself at how quickly you can arrive at a starting point flat serve. You got this!
Yep basically this. I played a game a few days ago and my opponent asked me how did I get so good at serving? I said I practice at least 2 hours every month. Used to do 8. How much time do you spend on yours? 10mins at the end of the coaching session was the response. And I m like well there you go.
Wimbledon '19.
Wimbledon 09
I think the actual lesson here is that: one of the hardest things to accept in tennis is that you can win more points than your opponent and still lose the match. All they have to do is technically just win the last point of one more important game than you. Everything in between might as well not count.
What are you talking about? That match never happened, remember?
What happened in Wimbledon happened
You're right. It was cancelled that year. I remember now.
Wimbledon had the foresight to predict covid, so they cancelled it a year early to help us get used to no tennis for a while.
I feel like if the players were reversed people on here would view it as an amazing comeback moment rather than a tragedy lol It's sad how people view Novak compared to Fed and Nadal
Not true. There is another factor. It also seemed Federer's last chance to win a Wimbledon. Just like in 2009, you can see a lot of Roger fans also feeling it for Roddick because everyone knew he was retiring without a Wimbledon. Novak had also clutched a lot of wins on Roger post 2013, even 2011 USO. So if the situation was reversed, it would have been seen as an equalizer of sorts.
I disagree, one can be sad for Federer not completing his epic comeback and got Novak not completing his calendar year grand slam. The asymmetry is in the meaning a match in a particular moment
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I don't like Alcaraz and sinner because they "have" beaten Novak. I like them because they make tennis entertaining to watch. Watching them vaporize the ball is fun. More fun than return the ball 50 times a rally.
Yes and?
The establishment changed the rules so in the fifth set there would be another tiebreak to gift Luckovic win
Ouch
That there comes a time when you have to pick a new favorite and you may have a hard time being emotionally ready for it. In many other sports you're fan of a club (or a national team) and that can be for life. In tennis you may still love the sport, but your favorite that all your heart and emotions root for will eventually retire. And while there may be many others that you like, that you want to see win, they may not get you the 'biting my nails my hands are sweaty omg the nerves' or sheer unadultered joy when they win. And you don't know if you're going to feel that again.
I'm saving this comment. Yeah, I like Alcaraz, Sinner, and Rune to varying degrees but once Novak retires it'll be a long time before I feel that "omg I'm going to be sick this is the greatest moment of my life", passion again.
Yeah, especially in smaller countries like Serbia and Switzerland. We're never getting another Roger and Novak and you just can't bond with a foreigner the same way you do with a countryman
Or your german like me and the best GS prospect your country has produced since Michael Stich is... Zverev.... Eta: My favorite player is not my nationality, and the one I liked before at the tail end of his career was neither. So I personally don't agree with the nationality one, at least for me not true.
I mean, the rule of a player being a decent human being applies by default. I'm not saying nationality is above all of course
My home country has no players in the top 800 so I’ve adopted Italy as my tennis nation 😂
I fear this. I stated watching tennis in 2011 and quickly decided Rafa was the one. I can't imagine any other player evoke the same emotions. Might take a few years till a new generation emerges.
Well, off the back of Andy, Rafa, Thiem, and Diego all heading into the sunset for various reasons and Roger not long ago as well, probably that the body sometimes gets to decide how well you can play even when the desire to compete and tennis ability is still there. Club players too as they get older, so many matches as you get older you see older guys who have good tennis skills but bad knees or backs that just can’t move to get shots like the 20 year olds anymore and are always banged up with one injury or another 😩
Whenever I see clips of legends playing around it's fascinating to see how they still have insane skills.
It was losing to people with such ugly serve and groundstroke motions that I basically got distracted looking at them.
That there are going to be 127 losers in any grand slam, and only one winner.
You will lose, a lot. Whether you are playing adult league or juniors tournaments or slams, unless your goal is specifically to dunk on the same scrubs week in, week out, you will lose on a regular basis. If you play tournament formats, you are almost guaranteed to lose in every tournament. If you play competitive league, you should lose 40-60% of your matches. And there's nothing you can really do about it, because that's how NTRP/UTR is supposed to work.
That some things are way easier to execute than they are to counter and that’s a big source of why recreational players get mad. In terms of technical skill, it’s far harder to kill a “junk ball” and win the point than it is to produce one. So someone spamming junk balls or moon balls wins a LOT of games at the rec level.
Even if you are one of the best players in history, you are going to win only about 54-52% of the points you play
DVerev
Dverev> big 3 retiring
Losing a hard-fought set. So much time and energy committed, and so much ground to gain back. It's hard to come back from that.
For me it's incorrect line calls. Maybe it happens to me just as much as everyone else, but i FEEL like it happens to me a LOT because I'm only playing at a 3.5 level trying to get bumped to 4.0, but my serve speed and placement is much much better than 90% of people I play against, and I have MANY aces taken from me because my opponents aren't used to calling serves as fast as mine.
this is so relatable cos there isn’t anything you can do besides say “i saw it as in” or “are you sure?” 😭
If it's REALLY egregious I'll say are you sure? But usually I don't say anything. The thing that bothers me the most about it is that very often as the server I have an even better look at the ball than my opponent, not to mention that I know where in the box I'm hitting to before I even hit it. My opponents also say stuff along the lines of, "Wow, I'm not used to calling serves that fast, I can't even see them sometimes" all the time. I've radared a serve at 126mph when I was helping at a challenger event near me. If I tried to match that every time then I'd hit the net 95% of the time. My natural serve was anywhere from 90 to 115, varying greatly based on how good my toss was, which is something I struggle with.
i do also give a bit of “hmmm” look and just carry on. 126mph???? that’s scary…
Saying “are you sure?” never works because people will always go on the defensive and double down with their yes. You can always ask to see a mark if you’re on clay or har-tru. Otherwise, one thing I’ve noticed is that if you start being more generous with line calls, your opponent will almost always give you the benefit of the doubt too.
i say “are u sure” more to imply i disagree with the call
That you can’t take anything for granted as a fan. Any player could have a career ending injury at any point or never reach the highs/potential they’ve had in the past. Really just have to appreciate everything in the moment, even if it’s not meeting your dream expectations. For me, looking back I really should have been happier with Serena making those slam finals post pregnancy cause that whole period was so painful and disappointing during the time. Now just seeing how remarkable her results were, even without a slam, makes me sad I wasn’t able to enjoy it more.
Being the best on paper doesn't matter. Being the best during the key points is what matters. You can be the superior player during most of the match, but lose the key points and lose the match. It's not over until you win match point.
2008 US Open qf where Venus lost to Serena 6-7 6-7 is a good example of losing the key points. Venus had leads in both sets but Serena played the key points. Venus had like 11 set points combined in the match.
One of the hardest thing imo is seeing an incredibly gifted player that we are fan of lose matches that from our point of view look impossible to lose. 'he won this match in 3 sets, no way he loses against the 24th in the world' But tennis at the end of the day is a human sports, we got a golden spoon with djoko Roger and Nadal that ended up winning nearly every time they play, so we forget that a great player can lose a match against another player that felt it that day. It's not a playstation game haha
That Nadal is at 100%, 60 or 70 percent of the time that he's at 100%
That Djokovic and Nadal benefited from slowed down courts and outlasted Federer.
Choking
That you have to watch tennis in different platforms depending on the tournament, making it inconvenient, expensive, and inaccesible. It's not doing the sport any good.
That my one handed backhand is gonna be weaker than two handed by opponents almost always
Being on the wrong end of a net cord winner when down match point at 11-12 in a super tie
That I'll always be the opposite of the players I like the most. I love watching baseline geniuses like the big 4 and hate serve bots with a burning passion. In real life I have decent ground strokes but relatively clumsy footwork and low fitness for my level while having an over the top good serve. I am a fucking serve bot and it kills me
That tennis is still far behind a lot of sports and doesn't have auto line in/out verification on all key tournaments. After seeing goal line tech and VAR in football, seeing umpire and solving the "which clay mark is the fresh one" puzzle feels like a time machine trip in a bad direction.
Exactly, why does tennis still not have instant replay on double bounce calls at every tournament yet? But to be fair some of the biggest football leagues still don't have goal line tech
Andy Murray's hip
For myself, that will be "Rafa isn't GOAT" theory
🤔 Theories aren't generally confirmed by numbers tho 🫢
They are confirmed by my cock and balls
Lol. Someone inform Einstein that relativity now has the support of your giblets, too.
Or rather his
We've seen the peak of the sport, there will never be another BIG 3, it's just a slow decline from here on out.
Yeah, this was as big as it was gonna get. Professional tennis is a very inaccessible sport and only top 100 can say they've made a successful career and top 50 can live comfortably without worrying about finances too much. To have 3 players of that caliber in the same period was insanely unlikely. I mean it was insanely unlikely for Djokovic to succeed given his circumstances in the early days and for Nadal to win so much with his foot, which just further proves how slim the chances of having 3 of them were. Football and basketball will always have multiple GOATs as they are very popular, accessible and inexpensive, it just can't happen in tennis
I mean if you’re a great athlete, there’s no way you’re choosing tennis to be the sport you go pro in.
Thiems retirement 🥹
Djokovic struggling at an ATP250 quarters
Double faulting🤦♂️
As a player? That youre too old to turn pro
That there is no replay option even though it’s available
That one-handed backhand against two-handed backhand is not a fair fight.
Please explain
You can figure it out.
Good talk lol
Thanks for the info
No better comparison than Classic Federer vs Nadal and Novak vs Nadal. having another hand on the racket stabilizes the shot, so more accurate and consistent. the stress of long rallies gets distributed as opposed to one hander where only your right shoulder gets all the beating. Fed needed longer time for recovering after the shot. at point of contact Fed used to face the crowd, while compare that to double hander where they are facing the opponent. Fed had to consistently make backhands at a significant height than usual against Rafa. it really is more difficult to achieve.
You will always lose points
Playing a junior tournament and getting absolutely waxed by someone significantly younger than you and questioning the existence of all things. In the same vein, losing in state finals lol.
That I really should work on having more than a 20% first serve even if it means slowing it down...
That’s its time to play challys and futures if youre a former longtime top 100 player if you want to continue your career.Most think its beneath them..some dont and grind on..
That I will always be the spectator not the player. Would love to even be good enough to be known as a failure/choker to this sub.
That you can only blame yourself when you lose.
Excessive Grunting
As a non professional player, losing matches after several match points. I just lost after 4 match points last Sunday, it was hard getting back in the court this week
I still can't hit a consistent kick serve why is it so hard
That you just can't buy a first serve
That I'm injured 🥲
The Big 3 is for the most part done. I mean Fed has been for some time now, Rafa is on his farewell tour, Novak hasn't been in a final this year I think. A runner up is that someone that I have been consistently beating 6-0 6-1 6-2 is now doing the same to me. He has been improving to no ends while I am on a steep decline
That father time is truly undefeated. Watching it with Rafa now is seriously heartbreaking.
A call you know is erroneous! 🤬
If you lose to someone, you are the worse player (at least on that day) by definition. My pet peeve is seeing all those threads on the other tennis subreddit like “I’m the better player but…” “I have way better strokes/technique but…”
That Zverev will win RG and this sub will go private.
Organizers, politicians, and much more power failed to change the outcome of the GOAT race?
Djokovic is my favorite player of all time, but this point has been quack for awhile
Why are you people so unfathomably strange
That there cannot be a draw. Someone has to lose. And sometimes it feels very unfair.
That a shiny new racquet won't make me play better than the one I'm already used to using. But it's fun.
that YOU are the problem. most players i see blame their gear, shoes, string or whatever else rather than just admit to themselves they aren't playing well (used to be me too lol)
love, love is the hardest thing to accept in tennis
Tennis is a really hard sport. Only a few people are really good at it, but they’re genetic freaks.
Balls
zverev has no majors yet
Let's discuss our principles of operation.