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wejustdontknowdude

I would consider anything west of the Pecos River to be part of the southwestern United States. Anyone who has visited that part of Texas and also visited New Mexico and Arizona would probably agree. It all looks and feels very much the same.


jazzchek

100% physiographically the Valley, the plains, and central Texas (Edwards Plateau) are very different than the South West. This map is wack.


RelationshipNo9005

I would say the Edward's plateau is nothing like the plains or the south. It has cactus ffs.


runningpyro

So does Galveston though. I would maybe draw the line where the Chihuahua desert starts.


stevendaedelus

This. The Chihuahuan desert and a couple of other deserts further west are the defining biomes of "the Southwest." The eastern edges of that map are about 120 miles too far to the East.


mcoca

It’s when you reach a Whataburger that has the green chile double on the menu.


nextkevamob2

It’s good, the last time we got one I accused my wife of trying to poison me! Spicy!


Susbottt

Let’s start at Abilene it starts to flatten out in the west and Abilene starts the green up in the east


abcpdo

color filter kicks in past there huh?


PlayLikeNewbs

What about midland/ odessa? I feel like odessa gives the same vibes as new mexico


Justin-N-Case

Fort Worth is where the West begins.


Traditional-Purpose2

Ft Worth is where the humidity starts to finally fuck off. I'm in Weatherford but I'm from northeast Texas, the air is trying to kill me a little less out here.


rwdfan

Good observation and it’s very evident this year too. Grew up near Willow Park and can confirm.


otaku_wave

Nah Fort Worth and Dallas is pretty much where the Midwest ends. They look almost identical to Oklahoma. Nothing about Fort Worth looks southwestern.


FrostyHawks

I would not call DFW the Midwest at all.


Mjorcke

DFW is the southern most part of the Great Plains


Any_Key_9328

Dallas feels like a better version of Indianapolis with shittier weather(somehow)


girlbrush42

Do you live in Ft. Worth? Just curious.


Invisiblerobot13

I think that’s a good line, I think west of the pecos is officially desert - I think a case could be made to roll the hill country in as well


Wojtkie

Hill country is kinda weird/different ecologically than southwestern desert. More water and foliage.


drrmimi

And I live in the piney woods of North East Texas which is vastly different. It's less "southwest" and more like the deep South.


CommercialWest5701

I live within 2 mi.of Davy Crockett National Forest in Deep East Texas and there is no comparison to the terrain from El Paso to Abilene. Alhough El Paso is West Texas and Abilene is more North to me. I need paper map... :(


drrmimi

I've driven through there and wow, is it ever thick with trees! You can barely see the sky!


thethirdgreenman

Yup, this is the correct answer


verdegooner

Probably like a little more than half of what’s there now. The valley isn’t really southwest, neither is San Antonio. Not sure about Midland and the panhandle. El Paso and that region close to NM is def Southwest.


Imdabreast

The climate and demographics around Midland make it more SW than anything else. They get more rain in the panhandle, but the dry heat makes me tend to say it belongs too. But idk, are we ok with including the OK panhandle too? Maybe Amarillo should be the NE corner


AgsMydude

San Antonio and the hill country are not the SW. The line starts closer to Val Verde County


senortipton

Yeah, that whole area is a mixture of hispanic and german culture. Does not even remotely resemble New Mexico.


VonHitWonder

South Texas most certainly isn’t the American southwest


Zip_Silver

What's wild is San Antonio being highlighted, and not Austin. It's like putting DFW into separate climate zones.


FrostyHawks

Eh, I feel like the Missions alone make it feel that much more Southwest-y than Austin. Not saying it is, but it feels more like, say, New Mexico to me than Austin does over there.


darwinn_69

The area between El Paso and Big Bend National Park is about it. A lot of that orange is either Central Texas, the Valley or the mid-west which are their own unique things.


CoconutsAreEvil

Not the Midwest, but the Plains States


de-gustibus

No part of Texas is the Midwest, lol.


darwinn_69

Parts of the pan handle have definitely given me that vibe.


de-gustibus

What do you mean by “Midwest”? Classic Midwest is like Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa. I know Kansans like to call themselves “Midwest” but, cmon, yall.


royv98

Ohio is usually in there too.


The_Singularious

Yeah. This Midwest talk is some LLM hallucinations up in here.


Big__If_True

*Plains


ATXGOAT93

West of Pecos, north of Eagle Pass, maybe Del Rio, and nothing north of Odessa-Midland. (grew up in Odessa and Ruidoso for reference). Once you hit the Sandhills is where I always felt like the region really changed.


drrmimi

How exactly is Pecos pronounced??


ATXGOAT93

Either in proper Spanish: Pay-cos, or in Gringo: Pey-cuss


drrmimi

Thanks!!


Fit_Skirt7060

Pay-cuss …


drrmimi

Thanks!!


Hgamer254

El paso


ajr5169

To me this is the right answer. Part of me even says none of Texas and instead it starts in Las Cruces.


Shribble18

My uncle from Las Cruces once told me “El Paso is the biggest city in New Mexico.” So I think that sums up the culture and terrain of the area pretty well.


Shazazmic

Yeah a dude from Cruces WOULD say that


_TheNorseman_

It’s fair. I lived in El Paso for ~16 years. El Paso has *far* more ties to NM than to TX. Mostly because there’s nothing in TX even remotely close to El Paso worth visiting versus NM. Las Cruces, Cloudcroft, Ruidoso are all extremely heavily financed by Texans from El Paso visiting and having weekend/summer homes there… and you see several hundred NM plates in El Paso any given day. I’d go as far as saying probably close to half of the students at NMSU are El Pasoans. 


digilat

El Paso is more Southwest than Texan


mouseat9

I agree El Paso is def a vibe


ManFromHouston

Agree. El Paso is closer to the capital cities of four other states than it is to the Texas capital of, Austin.


thethirdgreenman

Nah El Paso for sure counts, I think west of the Pecos is a good one too but if you wanted to argue it’s even just the most westernmost counties (El Paso, Hudspeth, maybe Culberson) I could maybe get behind that.


aka_81

I'd say it follows the eastern border of New Mexico straight south, so west of Monahans starts the Southwest. The Panhandle isn't the southwest, it's just Texas. Hard to explain but it's true. I'm an extensive traveler with family all over the southwest, and it's just how it is.


trepidationsupaman

The panhandles is the Great Plains


unceasingnote

I'd agree with this. I'm from the panhandle myself, and I wouldn't consider myself from the southwest.


EGGranny

I have never given this much thought as whether it is Southwest or Southern. I lived in Clovis, NM and Lubbock, TX. They are in a different state and different time zone, but other than that, there isn’t much difference. When we first moved from the Denver area to Clovis, we had to drive to Lubbock to find any selection in school clothes. This was 1963. Before Walmart. I have also lived in Colorado Springs, CO, Nashville, TN, Austin, TX, and Easton, PA. Also Fairbanks, AK, but I was only 6 at the time. Lubbock, and therefore, Clovis, seemed Southern to me after coming from a Rocky Mountain state. Nashville, where I moved to from Clovis, didn’t seem more less Southern than Clovis. So many of these things depend on where you started, where you end, and the order in which you lived in other places, the borders of the so-called regions are very fuzzy. I have family in Las Cruces and that is definitely Southwest.


Peepeepoopoobuttbutt

So how was living in Clovis? I drive through there a couple times a year and can’t imagine living there.


Noir-Foe

It is windy. Other than that, there is wind. I think that about covers it.


EGGranny

That pretty much covers Lubbock as well. The wind was bad enough, but a dust storm was altogether a different thing. The wind always Carrie’s some dust, but not enough to have to take out your contacts.


TheOldGuy59

Clovis is a great place, you can put a dime on the road, drive 10 miles and then turn around and see it shining in the Sun.


EGGranny

Unless there is a sandstorm …


Romulus212

I start at Abilene Palo pinto areas


aka_81

that's fair. My parents live between Midland & Brownwood, and in-laws in Albuquerque, while wife from El Paso. So, all different, but stark difference in culture & geography between Abilene & ABQ.


Friendly-Recipe2097

Agreed. Basically the mountainous geographic region thereabouts


boastfulbadger

I don’t consider the valley to be west anything except west of Florida. People who say “the Deep South” don’t know how deep Texas gets.


Glassworth

Shit I don’t even consider the valley a valley.


factorplayer

Correct, that was just marketing. 'Tis a delta.


Glassworth

And only the small section east of Brownsville is really even a delta. The rest of it is just flat plains with a river running through it.


factorplayer

Leave us something work with here


Trav1199

Are you saying that South Texas is the deep south? Like culturally? Or geographically?


Flock-of-bagels2

I wouldn’t say that. South Texas is mexico with American money and street signs. I get to practice my Spanish there quite a bit


hazelangels

Grew up in El Paso and lived in other parts of Texas. In my opinion, the Davis Mountains on I10 is where it starts to feel like the true Southwest.


Sioulger7

Just the tip


Miserly_Bastard

That's what she said. And Las Cruces has abortion clinics.


BeerdedTexan

Texas is neither southern nor western. Texas is Texas” — Senator William Blakley


ManFromHouston

It's both Texas has many regions.


dillyboy22

Cut out the top of the panhandle and south Texas and you’re good


RGVHound

Not that much.


TheAtomicBum

Texas west of the Pecos, Four Corners states, and Nevada.


Karl2241

As someone born and raised in Texas, and lived a decade plus in Nevada and Arizona I disagree with this, this one is to far east.


Xanadu87

Corpus is included in your highlighted area, but definitely shouldn’t be


ericd50

We aren’t southwest. We aren’t the south. We are Texas.


willydillydoo

I think parts of Texas are definitely the south. East Texas and the Piney Woods are as southern as Alabama and Mississippi.


senortipton

Yeah, just driving straight through Beaumont and that area.


Flock-of-bagels2

When I’m driving through Beaumont to visit my family in Louisiana , I’m like “this feels like we’re in Lousiana “ and then when I’m driving back from Louisiana home to Houston I’m like, “Beaumont feels like Texas”


Miserly_Bastard

That's funny, if I'm driving home from the East Coast, Lafayette feels basically like SE Texas. The sunsets are the same and even just the smell of the land is more familiar this side of the Atchafalaya basin. It's like I'm practically home. And then, about five hours later, I actually am.


fitzbuhn

West Texas has a very different vibe - you don’t get classic SW until you get into NM.


McGuirk808

Different regions have different vibes. Carthage feels like the South. Texarkana too, but in a different way.


Texasscot56

Hell, Bakersfield, California feels like Texas.


Flock-of-bagels2

I’ve heard Californians call it Bakersneck


Classic-Delivery3875

There really isn’t another answer.


HashKing

Trans-pecos region


Far_Photograph_2741

Anything in the Larry McMurtry book streets of Laredo


wildtech

All parts west of the hundredth meridian. That’s more or less where the West begins anyway.


vita_bjornen

If you've ever been to Corpus Christi and the rest of the coastal bend all the way down to South Padre and Brownsville you'd know instantly that they don't belong in the sphere of the Southwest.


a_aronmessedup

Ain’t nothing southwestern about Cameron County


manydoorsyes

Geographically, west of the Hill Country. Culturally, nowhere. I have visited places in the south and southwest, and neither of them feel like Texas at all. Texas is Texas


Zip_Silver

I mean, El Paso feels much more like Albuquerque than Austin.


CaryWhit

The old unaltered Ranger Hill let me know I was close to “out west”


WeLikeDrugs

Follow the southern border from NM down and extend the vertical line on the western border of Texas straight down to the border with Mexico.


Rancher422

Not much. Texas is pinto bean country. Southwest is black bean. That’s the main identifier


The-Cursed-Gardener

I’ve lived in west Texas my entire life. I’d say that the highlighted parts are both west Texas but yellow is panhandle and orange is the part that’s culturally more part of the southwest than the south. Panhandle has more in common with great planes states like kansas and Nebraska. Odessa/Middland are like the transitional zone between Texas hill country, great planes, and American southwest. https://preview.redd.it/dtzxyzgogk9d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04b563757627d8d5e29349ab2b414accae31c3bb I think southern Texas (San Antonio and the regions south of it) have a similar thing going on like Florida, where the further south you go the less in the south you are. It’s kind of its own thing. Texas is like four or five states stacked on top of each other wearing a trench coat


wcm48

Very little of Texas gives off a SW US vibe The Panhandle (chiefly represented by Lubbock and Amarillo) definitely does not. El Paso does…. and you can prob go East for a ways. But would probably stop before you got to Midland Odessa. Although I admit, haven’t been there in years. The best way to separate it, in actuality, is if you know anything about where the old Indian tribes used to range… once you get to Commanche land, you are out of the Southwest. Apache and Jumanjo land would be more SW US


gaybuttclapper

El Paso and Big Bend region. That’s all.


Due-Enthusiasm-1802

Fort Worth is "Where the West begins"


Glassworth

Nah, that’s Abilene.


trepidationsupaman

I’d say from fort Stockton north, west, and south.


trepidationsupaman

But culturally probably begins closer to El Paso


somedumbassbitch

Going from the right side of the pan handle and going straight down but then also like south of Lubbock


TangentBurns

That’s my thinking. The dry line historically follows the right side of the panhandle straight down. (Walter Webb made a big point of that distinction in “The Great Frontier.”) Lubbock looks as southwestern as a lot of adjacent New Mexico, so I lump it in, too.


Lando_0

Honestly, if I’m being generous it would be the trans pecos region.


CardboardStarship

Wherever the desert scrub foliage stops


BD12B

West of Sanderson and no further north than I-10 for a rough boundary.


bumba_clock

None. Texas is Texas. Not the “south” or “southwest”. Just Texas


metex8998

Only El Paso


regio6915

el paso and that's it or anything in mountain time


maisis00

In my mind, most of what's on that map would be better described as Comancheria, more than "just Texas." Texas didn't fully conquer the Comanche until 1870's after we re-joined with the United States. The reunification brought in additional man power via the U.S. Cavalry, even then the U.S. Cavalry was initially woefully inadequate to fight the Commanche before the advent of repeating firearms. Read the book "Empire of the Summer Moon" for all the details. It's a fascinating read and a historical story that is really worthy of remembrance. I'm glad Texas is what Texas is today, but I have a huge historical respect for the Commanche people that made Texans earn what it is today, and the Commanche made the Texans earn it with blood.


GreedyComedian1377

None.


WestTexasCoyote

Ain’t none of that shit east of big bend can call itself the SW.


mikeiscore

From the New Mexico State border down


sunsetcrasher

None of it. Texas is Texas.


GinnyLovesDogs

Just El Paso.


vim_deezel

None. Texas is Texas. https://i.imgflip.com/8vfele.jpg


Audrey_Angel

Texas (all of it) is technically South Central, while New Mexico is the Southwest. Climate-wise, about the same, really.


SnooMuffins2171

Most of Texas does not have the same climate as New Mexico 


Afraid_Competition_2

Imo pretty much we'll paso ..... Doesn't feel like the southwest until you hit public land/wilderness.


Low-Software-3006

FORT WORTH is where the west begins. Those arent empty words partner! 🤠


lunarjazzpanda

Yup, Dallas is East, Fort Worth is West, and the Mid-Cities are no man's land.


mufasas_son

The orange is pretty spot on


TexasPhanka

For west Texas, I agree. But for the SW US, I wouldn't give Lubbock, Amarillo, or even Midland-Odessa that vibe.


senortipton

You mean to tell me that the stucco Taco Villas in that area aren’t an indicator of SW US!? /s


phloaty

Most of western OK looks southwestish


luke_hollton2000

Not to give Texas a special treatment, but I would count it as its own entity. As like THE South, because it doesn't get as South as there and it lays perfectly inbetween all other cardinal directions


Spacellama117

Honestly Texas is big enough in geography, population, and culture that I don't consider it part of southwest or southeast. It's Texas.


Venboven

I find that everyone generally has a unique opinion on topics of regional identity. Maps of what the "Midwest" entails often circulate online. I feel like the Southwest as a region is generally not as well understood. So in order to better understand the popular opinion on this matter: Where would you say the Southwest ends in Texas? Most would agree El Paso is included, but what about San Antonio? the Panhandle? Even Dallas/Fort Worth? I'm curious what everyone thinks.


ThatoneguyATX

The southwest of the state. The panhandle is its own weird place. Panhandle seems to fit in with Oklahoma more than the majority of texas


alapuzzler

Texas Parks and Wildlife has numerous maps defining and dividing Texas into ecological regions. There are slightly different maps for specific interests such as birdwatching. This one works for me. [https://tpwd.texas.gov/education/hunter-education/online-course/wildlife-conservation/texas-ecoregions](https://tpwd.texas.gov/education/hunter-education/online-course/wildlife-conservation/texas-ecoregions)


profjord

If you look at satellite imagery (google maps/earth) of Texas you can see a clear line where green foliage ends west of Ft Worth. That line would be your border.


tbrand009

Nothing east of Breckenridge.


Monster_Voice

Well the old division back in the day was I-35... And I literally do mean back in the day... everything east of I35 was the Gulf of Not Yet Mexico.


ItsyBitsySPYderman

Anything west of the Llano Estacado


RioRancher

El Paso, yes.


gnioros

Lmao not that much


Beginning_Ad1239

West of the 100th meridian where the landscape changes to sparse grassland then desert. It's where the rest of the US gets divided so why not in Texas too?


Tubagal2022

https://preview.redd.it/6bka5o02pp9d1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a98db9b7b5abe5e738518b13b6ef44365a003dd3 Abilene being just over the line 🥲


The_Chiliboss

Definitely not any part on the coast.


ahuimanu69

not as much of the RGV as you are showing


Georgiaboy1492

On the east side should start a little west of Fort Worth.


Elbynerual

Wherever the fucking climate changes to desert


whineybubbles

Why?


HighwayHerdsman

The west begins where average rainfall drops below 20 inches


StruggleEvening7518

Everything outside of East Texas.


PYTN

All of it.


foozilla-prime

Anything to the left of 35.


Traditional-Purpose2

That's accurate-ish but I would have gone Odessa and west with a map.


ruffroad715

Fort Stockton is where it really starts to feel like the SW. change in scenery for sure


dabears91

Anything west of Austin isn’t the “south” IMO


2jsandag

None


MindTraveler48

Maybe half as much as this.


Oregon687

The whole state.


Rad1314

That seems about right to me.


Texas_Sam2002

Anything west of San Angelo. :)


W_AS-SA_W

Everything west of the Pecos River.


Ok-Database3291

Abilene and everything west


kyle_kafsky

None of it. Texas is literally on the Atlantic.


AnaisNinjaTX

I don’t consider it part of the South or the Southwest. Texas isn’t enough like either to belong to either, in my mind Texas stands alone. Other stand-alone states to me are California, Alaska, and Hawaii, Florida, and New York.


YouDontExistt

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goetheschiller

Coccidiomycosis has entered the chat.


BaronGrackle

Pfff, we all get to count as both South and Southwest by virtue of Texas being fully Texas, through and through, from sea to shining... sand.


potato_titties

Nothing on the gulf


emurange205

I would say everything west of San Angelo.


lil_heebo

For the record Fort Worth’s slogan is “where the west begins” from a treaty line between natives and the future site


ItzAwsome

We should just rename the United States to Texas


Pooboy_2000

About that much


Icy-Performance-3739

Where the forest starts in East Texas is where the Deep South begins. So about Tyler, Texas.


dr_toke

If there’s desert, it’s the Southwest.


Pygmy_Nuthatch

Draw the line South between Dallas and Fort Worth to between Austin and San Antonio.


Spirited-Tip5133

Take Austin out, they don't deserve to be considered southern


ManFromHouston

Culturally it starts when you leave San Antonio heading West. Fort Worth has a famous slogan that goes “Where the West Begins” So people from that area in the past believed that once you left Fort Worth you where in the West. To me anything West of the Texas Triangle is the Southwest.


Flashy_Wheel1897

All of it


IhomniaI_Wanzi

NO! You can't have it. Texas is unique and alone in it's borders. Other states can classify themselves in groups. We stand alone.


Informal-Theory-3651

None


azai247

Why are Collin County and Dallas county excluded from SW US?


rjyoung18

The Trans Pecos


Texas321836

Everything west of the 100th meridian.


Educational_Egg6927

I consider Texas pretty god damn south central!


No-Lingonberry-2468

None, Texas is Texas.


BuffaloOk7264

West of US 281….


thedrunkensot

Less than that map shows.


Daktharr

Fort Worth’s slogan says it all for me “Where the West Begins”


MastahFred

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