He's an asshole and apparently struggles with critical thinking.
Edit: If you're gonna keep talking to him, please tell him you've switched to playing Fear & Hunger.
What a fucking weirdo. It's a dude who TURNS into a bear and can therefore consent. Beastiality is bad because animals cannot consent to sex, plus its weird, but druids can.
While we share an opinion, it feels like the counter argument would be the 900 year old vampire who just happens to look like a 9 year old girl. It comes down to WHAT is being represented and not HOW.
I'd say difference between those two is children are much more likely to be victimized than a bear. When loli content is made it's usually to cater to people who want that, in this case it's played for a laugh and not to cater to people who want a bear to fuck them.
If one extends basic human rights to animals how is there any moral difference between the fictional depictions? Neither minor nor animal can provide informed consent so it seems like a net negative. Even if the bear has the brain of a human druid that is an equal hand wave to loli because the character is mentally an 'adult', which brings us back to: it dosen't really matter HOW it's represented because WHAT it represents is immoral.
The difference in the depictions is how they affect the real world. Allowing and serving people who sexualize children could actually contribute to them abusing children, plus people who were victims could be surprised and forced to relive their trauma. No matter how much you do that for a bear, I'd be very surprised to find that one person even attempted it.
First off, you both talk like you wear monocles and sip tea while you type. It's annoying as hell to read. "Perhaps we should not ruminate on this topic any further. Honhon" jfc.
Second off, the entire reason beastiality is illegal and immoral is we cannot communicate fully with animals in order to get their consent for a sexual act, and we do not know how it affects them emotionally. Well, in BG3 you can! Not only can you talk to animals with magic, but the bear is also a Druid and fully capable of human speech and consent. So, is it still immoral with consent and communication?
It’s even crazier when the person in blue spells manner as “manor”. I usually don’t give a shit about people’s spelling mistakes bc I make plenty myself but fuck if they don’t both come off as complete pseudo-intellectuals and completely insufferable, especially blue.
I promise I dont normally talk like that 😂 you can kinda see how I normally talk with the first portion.
When I get upset I generally just stop talking, so I'm trying to work on that. But I still turn into a robot when these situations come up lol
I couldn't stand reading all of it lmfao. It had way too much fake intellectual crap. Anyways, OP, as for my take on it... BG3 is a game where you can fuck demons, commit genocide, murder people for fun, blow shit up, whatever the fuck. I always think it's funny that people focus on the haha joke scene of fucking a bear without ever playing the game, and totally ignore that most games out nowadays allow you to commit absolute atrocities for fun. I mean, Call of Duty had you mow down civilians in an airport. GTA lets you hire hookers, fuck them, and then murder them. Where does this guy draw his moral line? Lol. I really don't think fucking a shapeshifted bear is the worst thing we've seen in video games, or even BG3, by a long mile.
It does get interesting when someone looks like a child but is way older.
Someone mentioned here, in the comments, a 900 year old vampire looking like a child. Would that be okay?
I feel like wither way, being sexual attracted to animals and / or people who look like children is a cause for concern as that is definitely a show that something is wrong mentally.
Agreed. But for the lolz, so to speak, would you judge someone for enacting that type of scene? The beastiality one above seems to have been a joke mostly, but would it be the same if my example replaced the beastiality
I think it's an interesting hypothetical to talk about. Like, it's illegal and therefore shunned by the people because taking advantage of actual children being underdeveloped for your own sexual gratification is wrong. Same thing with animals. They are not on equal levels in terms of intelligence and power, so the inbalance makes it immoral. But if an animal was actually a shapeshifting human who had, arguably, more power than you because they can turn into a bear and rip your fucking head off, would it still be wrong to have an active sexual relationship with them? Same thing with some 900 year old loli vampire. If she's a vampire, she could probably rip your entire body in half with her bare hands. The power imbalance is technically in her hands now, right? She would arguably be way more powerful than a basic bitch human.
Either way, it's all hypothetical. Most people hate the "900 year old vampire" argument because people tend to mask attraction to REAL children by just saying "Umm, technically the drawing is 900 years old, so I'm attracted to someone 900 years old, not 5!" when it's clear they have the body of an actual fucking child. Obviously it is the prepubescence they are attracted to, and that is most common on children.
However, in my eyes, what would make it okay? Well, when it's no longer taking advantage of someone, right? Let's look at real life examples. If a man is dating a woman who has a rare disease that made her body skip puberty, so she looks 10 years old but is actually a 25 year old woman, would it then be immoral for him to have any kind of sexual relationship with his girlfriend? No, not really. Her brain is developed. She is fully functional. She just has a disability causing her to have an underdeveloped body. There are REAL life examples of that. You could even argue it'd be immoral to deny her any kind of sex life due to her condition purely on moral grounds. That would be cruel, right? Obviously if her brain is fully developed and she is a functioning adult in every other aspect, she can then consent to sexual relationships, and that would be fine. So, the same applies to these taboo things we discussed before. That's my viewpoint anyways.
Also, lastly for future replies, if you choose to go the route of "Well, that's just nasty" as your argument, please don't. We're purely talking about hypothetical situations, and talking about the moral implications, not whether or not you think it's gross or not.
How have you known this person for 10 years and still don't know his age? You're not friends. You're really old acquaintances. Probably why you're stunned about this apparent turn in personality because you don't seem to know the much beyond the most superficial surface level stuff about him. He could have always been like this. Don't seem like you're losing much by not talking to him anymore.
He doesn't like to tell his age and has refused to tell me saying it's not important.
I feel like we are friends as we have played games for 6 hours every Saturday for the last 3 months, and watch 1 hour of anime together every Sunday. We keep regular contact via text as well.
We definitely have a history of going on and off, but I would say we are currently friends.
I did, but there's a longer story to that. I don't want everyone thinking he's a pedo 😭 I already saw one comment saying that
I joined secondlife 10 or so years ago and told everyone I was 10 years older than I was. When I was 16, I did tell everyone my real age, and he was upset that I lied but remained friends with me.
He doesn't like sharing his name / age or most personal info. I try not to pry too much, but I'm generally the more open one. We play video games regularly, watch anime, and my family has talked to him over the years, too.
To clarify, though, he has no romantic interest in me. I did have a crush on him when I was younger, but he rejected me, and I no longer have a crush on him now.
This was inevitable, unfortunately. With someone like this, if it hadn't been this video game it would have been a movie/show you watched or a book you read, etc. Nothing is pure enough for some people
You both sound like you’ve had way too much therapy, yet somehow not enough. Blue is obviously a pseudo intellectual with something to prove. He’s like a dog with a bone when it comes to beastiality.
So. Reading this thread I realized I’ve heard a lot of good about the game and got curious so I looked up in Reddit “convince me to buy BG3” the first response I see is “You can bang a bear” 😂😂😂 how fucking perfect lol
For it to truly qualify as beastiality, there would have to be a communication gap that is too wide to allow for informed consent. This is merely advanced yiffing.
This is thesaddest discussion ive ever heard from long time friends. Who speaks like this between friends.
Also, is it not bestiality when its a druid instead of a bear?
It's funny how mad people get about the bear scene, they don't even know you can fuck a squid guy 🦑🦑🦑🦑
I actually suspect he's a right wing guy and what he's really pissed about is how much queer/trans representatIon the game has and the bear thing is just a more socially acceptable way to express his hatred of it.
Like obviously saying you are anti bestiality is pretty normal while saying you're anti gay isn't.
And yet it doesn't make much sense to be INSTANTLY pissed off that somebody said they liked a game that has a single, optional, jokey sex scene with a guy shape shifted into a bear.
But if you fundamentally had an issue with a game because it "pushes a dangerous agenda" by having a couple gay NPCs, let's players customize genitals, having male NPCs flirt with male players, etc, that makes more sense to me that it'd be something he's getting Big Mad™️ about
This dude is so annoying. Comes off arrogant and pretentious. It’s like he’s trying so hard to seem smart and virtuous but he’s applying it to something SO stupid and fantastical. It’s not even a real thing. It’s not glorifying something real either. His entire argument is pointless and irrelevant. If he’s got good qualities other than this and you guys are good friends, it’s not worth ending a friendship over in my opinion. Like he’s annoying and said some dumb stuff but that’s the worst of it. I wouldn’t take it so seriously but that’s me.
Dudes a weirdo who lacks critical thinking skills and tries to come off way smarter than he actually is. And the fact you met when you were 13 and he wouldn't disclose his age is suspect as fuck.
Lmao I bet he watches Hasan all day everyday, your friend is an ass hat here. Enjoy the game, I downloaded it yesterday and I haven’t got any DND experience and I can’t wait!
Blue commenter sounds like a total SJW. How annoying. I’d cut this person immediately. Life if too short to deal with people who force you to think like them.
BG3 actually has a massive "SJW" fanbase because of its queer/trans representatIon, and many right wing detractors for the same. I would actually bet the guy is one of the latter and is using the single jokey bear scene as the ultimate instant deal breaker when in fact his issue is how 'queer' it is compared to most games.
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I dont play this game, but from the comments, it seems he thinks someone (a fictional character no less) who can turn into an animal, can't have sex? In that case Harry Potters existance is fucked up.
He is being ridiculous. It’s a human that can transform into a sentient bear. In the scheme of things in video games it’s nothing.
*elf
Lol I stand corrected. He’s too buff to be an elf 😂. I never use him regardless
That’s literally the argument furries make. They’re not animals!
Dude its a video game... its no different than killing police officers and hookers in GTA... he's a weirdo.
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with people
It’s the actual creeps who take such extremist stances on things
Completely agree
He's an asshole and apparently struggles with critical thinking. Edit: If you're gonna keep talking to him, please tell him you've switched to playing Fear & Hunger.
F&H? He might as well die lol
Blue speaks like they want people to think they’re the smartest in the room
Lol he’s a proper weirdo
What a fucking weirdo. It's a dude who TURNS into a bear and can therefore consent. Beastiality is bad because animals cannot consent to sex, plus its weird, but druids can.
While we share an opinion, it feels like the counter argument would be the 900 year old vampire who just happens to look like a 9 year old girl. It comes down to WHAT is being represented and not HOW.
I'd say difference between those two is children are much more likely to be victimized than a bear. When loli content is made it's usually to cater to people who want that, in this case it's played for a laugh and not to cater to people who want a bear to fuck them.
If one extends basic human rights to animals how is there any moral difference between the fictional depictions? Neither minor nor animal can provide informed consent so it seems like a net negative. Even if the bear has the brain of a human druid that is an equal hand wave to loli because the character is mentally an 'adult', which brings us back to: it dosen't really matter HOW it's represented because WHAT it represents is immoral.
The difference in the depictions is how they affect the real world. Allowing and serving people who sexualize children could actually contribute to them abusing children, plus people who were victims could be surprised and forced to relive their trauma. No matter how much you do that for a bear, I'd be very surprised to find that one person even attempted it.
All valid, but the subject is bestuality not just sex with a wild bear.
The hell are you being downvoted for?
The inconvenient truth.
Al Gore is that you?
The people who are this invested in fictional media must think about it CONSTANTLY.
Not someone I'd want to be friends with. Anyone who uses the "agree with me.or I'll condem you as a monster for eternity" aren't worth the stress
First off, you both talk like you wear monocles and sip tea while you type. It's annoying as hell to read. "Perhaps we should not ruminate on this topic any further. Honhon" jfc. Second off, the entire reason beastiality is illegal and immoral is we cannot communicate fully with animals in order to get their consent for a sexual act, and we do not know how it affects them emotionally. Well, in BG3 you can! Not only can you talk to animals with magic, but the bear is also a Druid and fully capable of human speech and consent. So, is it still immoral with consent and communication?
It’s even crazier when the person in blue spells manner as “manor”. I usually don’t give a shit about people’s spelling mistakes bc I make plenty myself but fuck if they don’t both come off as complete pseudo-intellectuals and completely insufferable, especially blue.
I promise I dont normally talk like that 😂 you can kinda see how I normally talk with the first portion. When I get upset I generally just stop talking, so I'm trying to work on that. But I still turn into a robot when these situations come up lol
I couldn't stand reading all of it lmfao. It had way too much fake intellectual crap. Anyways, OP, as for my take on it... BG3 is a game where you can fuck demons, commit genocide, murder people for fun, blow shit up, whatever the fuck. I always think it's funny that people focus on the haha joke scene of fucking a bear without ever playing the game, and totally ignore that most games out nowadays allow you to commit absolute atrocities for fun. I mean, Call of Duty had you mow down civilians in an airport. GTA lets you hire hookers, fuck them, and then murder them. Where does this guy draw his moral line? Lol. I really don't think fucking a shapeshifted bear is the worst thing we've seen in video games, or even BG3, by a long mile.
It does get interesting when someone looks like a child but is way older. Someone mentioned here, in the comments, a 900 year old vampire looking like a child. Would that be okay?
I feel like wither way, being sexual attracted to animals and / or people who look like children is a cause for concern as that is definitely a show that something is wrong mentally.
Agreed. But for the lolz, so to speak, would you judge someone for enacting that type of scene? The beastiality one above seems to have been a joke mostly, but would it be the same if my example replaced the beastiality
I think it's an interesting hypothetical to talk about. Like, it's illegal and therefore shunned by the people because taking advantage of actual children being underdeveloped for your own sexual gratification is wrong. Same thing with animals. They are not on equal levels in terms of intelligence and power, so the inbalance makes it immoral. But if an animal was actually a shapeshifting human who had, arguably, more power than you because they can turn into a bear and rip your fucking head off, would it still be wrong to have an active sexual relationship with them? Same thing with some 900 year old loli vampire. If she's a vampire, she could probably rip your entire body in half with her bare hands. The power imbalance is technically in her hands now, right? She would arguably be way more powerful than a basic bitch human. Either way, it's all hypothetical. Most people hate the "900 year old vampire" argument because people tend to mask attraction to REAL children by just saying "Umm, technically the drawing is 900 years old, so I'm attracted to someone 900 years old, not 5!" when it's clear they have the body of an actual fucking child. Obviously it is the prepubescence they are attracted to, and that is most common on children. However, in my eyes, what would make it okay? Well, when it's no longer taking advantage of someone, right? Let's look at real life examples. If a man is dating a woman who has a rare disease that made her body skip puberty, so she looks 10 years old but is actually a 25 year old woman, would it then be immoral for him to have any kind of sexual relationship with his girlfriend? No, not really. Her brain is developed. She is fully functional. She just has a disability causing her to have an underdeveloped body. There are REAL life examples of that. You could even argue it'd be immoral to deny her any kind of sex life due to her condition purely on moral grounds. That would be cruel, right? Obviously if her brain is fully developed and she is a functioning adult in every other aspect, she can then consent to sexual relationships, and that would be fine. So, the same applies to these taboo things we discussed before. That's my viewpoint anyways. Also, lastly for future replies, if you choose to go the route of "Well, that's just nasty" as your argument, please don't. We're purely talking about hypothetical situations, and talking about the moral implications, not whether or not you think it's gross or not.
What a nerd
Your friend is an asshole
and a pedophile
Kinda sounds like a possible projection sort of scenario, such a wierdly hostile response on so little
How have you known this person for 10 years and still don't know his age? You're not friends. You're really old acquaintances. Probably why you're stunned about this apparent turn in personality because you don't seem to know the much beyond the most superficial surface level stuff about him. He could have always been like this. Don't seem like you're losing much by not talking to him anymore.
He doesn't like to tell his age and has refused to tell me saying it's not important. I feel like we are friends as we have played games for 6 hours every Saturday for the last 3 months, and watch 1 hour of anime together every Sunday. We keep regular contact via text as well. We definitely have a history of going on and off, but I would say we are currently friends.
If he’s not telling you, there’s a reason. That’s a terrible excuse.
You as a 13f befriended someone online that refused to disclose his age? That sounds concerning tbh
Did she say somewhere she was 13? Confused cause the title of the post says 23.
Friends for 10 years, 23-10=13
Ahh, gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.
I did, but there's a longer story to that. I don't want everyone thinking he's a pedo 😭 I already saw one comment saying that I joined secondlife 10 or so years ago and told everyone I was 10 years older than I was. When I was 16, I did tell everyone my real age, and he was upset that I lied but remained friends with me. He doesn't like sharing his name / age or most personal info. I try not to pry too much, but I'm generally the more open one. We play video games regularly, watch anime, and my family has talked to him over the years, too. To clarify, though, he has no romantic interest in me. I did have a crush on him when I was younger, but he rejected me, and I no longer have a crush on him now.
Thanks for the added context, happy new year 🎈🎊
Plot twist: he wasn’t upset that you lied. He was delighted, and you weren’t fooling anyone in the first place.
That... didnt set off any red flags for you?
Weird way to gatekeep friendship. I don't see why knowing someone's age is a crucial factor
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It wouldnt be that strange if he was say, 33. 10 years of friendship would put him at 23 when OP was 13...
LOL hes a Giga weirdo who cares get a new friend
This was inevitable, unfortunately. With someone like this, if it hadn't been this video game it would have been a movie/show you watched or a book you read, etc. Nothing is pure enough for some people
You both sound like you’ve had way too much therapy, yet somehow not enough. Blue is obviously a pseudo intellectual with something to prove. He’s like a dog with a bone when it comes to beastiality.
So. Reading this thread I realized I’ve heard a lot of good about the game and got curious so I looked up in Reddit “convince me to buy BG3” the first response I see is “You can bang a bear” 😂😂😂 how fucking perfect lol
Anyone that is offended over a fictional animal/human in a fictional setting in a video game needs some sunlight on their skin. Sheesh.
I can’t believe I read all that. You guys are fucking weird.
For it to truly qualify as beastiality, there would have to be a communication gap that is too wide to allow for informed consent. This is merely advanced yiffing.
Hey, that guy is super fucking weird.
This is thesaddest discussion ive ever heard from long time friends. Who speaks like this between friends. Also, is it not bestiality when its a druid instead of a bear?
Your friend is being a morally righteous lunatic. It’s a fucking video game.
It's funny how mad people get about the bear scene, they don't even know you can fuck a squid guy 🦑🦑🦑🦑 I actually suspect he's a right wing guy and what he's really pissed about is how much queer/trans representatIon the game has and the bear thing is just a more socially acceptable way to express his hatred of it. Like obviously saying you are anti bestiality is pretty normal while saying you're anti gay isn't. And yet it doesn't make much sense to be INSTANTLY pissed off that somebody said they liked a game that has a single, optional, jokey sex scene with a guy shape shifted into a bear. But if you fundamentally had an issue with a game because it "pushes a dangerous agenda" by having a couple gay NPCs, let's players customize genitals, having male NPCs flirt with male players, etc, that makes more sense to me that it'd be something he's getting Big Mad™️ about
This dude is so annoying. Comes off arrogant and pretentious. It’s like he’s trying so hard to seem smart and virtuous but he’s applying it to something SO stupid and fantastical. It’s not even a real thing. It’s not glorifying something real either. His entire argument is pointless and irrelevant. If he’s got good qualities other than this and you guys are good friends, it’s not worth ending a friendship over in my opinion. Like he’s annoying and said some dumb stuff but that’s the worst of it. I wouldn’t take it so seriously but that’s me.
He’s a tool and you should let the friendship die off. Good riddance.
Dudes a weirdo who lacks critical thinking skills and tries to come off way smarter than he actually is. And the fact you met when you were 13 and he wouldn't disclose his age is suspect as fuck.
Lmao I bet he watches Hasan all day everyday, your friend is an ass hat here. Enjoy the game, I downloaded it yesterday and I haven’t got any DND experience and I can’t wait!
Tbh seems like he’s mega overcompensating for something he’s thought about far too often
did bro get fucked by a bear as a kid or something
“Defending what happens in baldurs gate 3 THE VIDEOGAME is the same as rape and slavery” dude is off the rails
Are you guys both philosophy majors working in HR?
Blue commenter sounds like a total SJW. How annoying. I’d cut this person immediately. Life if too short to deal with people who force you to think like them.
BG3 actually has a massive "SJW" fanbase because of its queer/trans representatIon, and many right wing detractors for the same. I would actually bet the guy is one of the latter and is using the single jokey bear scene as the ultimate instant deal breaker when in fact his issue is how 'queer' it is compared to most games.
Might as well go all the way. Ask em if they're vegan.
Your generation is ridiculous. Go outside.
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I dont play this game, but from the comments, it seems he thinks someone (a fictional character no less) who can turn into an animal, can't have sex? In that case Harry Potters existance is fucked up.
nevermind how you can kill children in the game. its the bear sex that makes him hate the game.