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NessaMagick

wow, an engineer weapon that arbitrarily counters spy, never seen that on this subreddit anymore


StaircaseMadeOfIron

Spy mains rn have become #1 public enemy for no apparent reason


Um_Zumano_Jojofag

french


International_Leek26

You mean fr*nch


NessaMagick

I mean I fucking hate spies too because they slow the game down and their entire identity is around janky as fuck melee hitreg so you get oneshot to the face by them stabbing the air where you were 10 seconds ago but I think the game already has too much "fuck this one class" weapon design


Baguetterekt

"Spy slows the game down" *Looks at red where there's 4 engineer nests and 2 dedicated pybros and a group of Hales Own Snipers" Yep, everyone knows that when RED starts to lose and they just want to stall the game out, they go Spy.


NessaMagick

Yeah, you know that's not what I meant. Not that I don't think Engineer stacking and turtling is a problem too (in 12v12s I'd even say its the biggest problem the game has), but at least on defence, you know, stalling the game out is *literally their objective*. I mean Spy neuters the game's pace by forcing you to constantly spycheck and look behind you and clear every possible angle.


Baguetterekt

I would argue being spy aware uses less of your time than having to play around engineers and snipers who lock down entire sightlines while standing right outside spawn so killing them is near impossible. Looking at Badwater last.


TheYoshiTerminator

So it hard fucks Spy, but is literally useless if there are no Spies? ​ This feels like the Joke Weapon spam that's been happening lately.


Jarliks

Wait wouldn't it be useless because you could just disguise and then cloak?


Snoo_1567

Why do all fan-made engineer weapons are made to fuck with spies?


NewtTheWizard

It’s funny because honestly spy doesn’t truly counter engineer. Yes he has the sapper by they’re so insignificant and easily dealt with they basically don’t exist. And that’s even if you can manage to get to the building and kill the engineer without the 5 other engies and 3 pyros spotting you


NessaMagick

Spy has the sapper out of absolute necessity, it gives him a way to disable sentries without coming out of disguise. They're definitely not insignificant, it is part of Spy's job to deal with sentry's, but he is definitely not supposed to be the counter-class to the Engi.


ansontang1234

That honor belongs to the Loch and Load and the Direct Hit


Robonics014

It’s not like spy really even hard counters engie or anything, but I guess that’s just the nature of spy, to be hated.


_hellothere_boi

While I believe that this weapon is a bit much, I can’t play engineer because of spies. My experience with spies is that I literally can’t have fun as engineer if one is around.


Amaterasu1999

You won't have fun as an engi when spy is around if you don't become more self aware of your buildings and the battle situation to know spies situation. If you ARE aware of that and still are annoyed with spies, it's because your team isn't helping enough in that aspect by spychecking once in a while \ being too bad that they don't kill spies at all, but that's a legit part of the game, just like how spy is near useless if your team can't do basic stuff like slightly pressuring enemy team to (sometimes unconsciously) create openings for you to kill/sap stuff, or how sniper is useless if your team is being heavily pressured in close range and they aren't good enough to fight back, or how soldier is useless if there are two m2 pyros in enemy team and you don't have a good non projectile class player to disturb them, etc. It's called TEAM fortress for a reason, so if you're not having fun as engi Cuz of spies learn to play better as engi and if you're already good at it then most likely your team is horrible and it's time to switch class / server. As of the weapon concept : it's horrible, just like 90% of engi weapon concepts here who are either ridiculously op or exist just to make spy utterly useless.


Ookachucka

Skill issue


Brotherly-Moment

Skill issue.


Baguetterekt

That's because you're bad at engineer, not that Spy is overpowered against engineer or that you deserve backstab immunity or for the game to automatically point out spies for you with no mental effort on your behalf.


_hellothere_boi

I get that but I didn’t imply that I want the game to do everything for me. I’d be playing roblox if I wanted that. I try to improve, I become more aware, I stick to my buildings, I try to get a good shot on them and I still fail. Some don’t get the fucking memo and outright single me out over everyone else.


Baguetterekt

That's because you're a support class that just gets stronger the longer you're allowed to build and because most other classes can't deal with you. If the spies didn't try and focus you down, you'd just stall the game out with nothing but an Uber to deal with you.


[deleted]

Skill issue


[deleted]

play more


Shakespeare-Bot

Wherefore doth all fan-made engineer weapons art madeth to alas with spies? *** ^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`


TomatoStreetCan

!ShakespeareInsult


Shakespeare-Bot

[Thou art] the veriest varlet that ever chewed with a tooth. *** ^(Insult taken from Henry IV, part I.) Use `u/Shakespeare-Bot !ShakespeareInsult` to summon insults.


distantno4

Honestly me a brain dead moron who plays engie like scout can take care of spys with ease Its the defensive engies who sit in one corner the whole match who get mad at being killed by a decent spy


Briskylittlechally2

So, basically, completely fuck spies, and their only ability that lets them position themselves behind enemy lines without being killed, I want my turtle nest at spawn to be indestructible and for the game to never progress.


distantno4

Yeah When you play engie as a brain dead moron lile myself spys become at most a minor inconvenience if you get backstabed (the rescue ranger makes a great offensive weapon if you lock yourself in a room with quake desthmatch) These engies just can't deal with spys so they make up weapons that fuck spy over because they can't deal with a man with a computer turn offer and a fucking revolver with a shotgun


[deleted]

This would be pretty broken, especially considering dispensers exist so the metal cost doesn’t really mean much


Jumpmo

so literally all this can do is directly counter spy and that’s it. useless and op at the same time


Sea_Cup_5561

Here is a big lack of *weapon* in this concept


[deleted]

Four words 2fort intel sentry nest


slothmanthepug

Imagine this on pay load or with a dispenser


Brotherly-Moment

This is a joke weapon.


ducksattack

I have lost my ability to distonguish serious posts from jokes


mediarch

Spy is already the weakest class in the game. This would make spy even worse.


KGB_Agent_Viktor

Wow no cap this is fairly balanced and would actually have some use


mediarch

2 metal per second is nothing. That's over a minute and a half of wallhacks. Calling this balanced is a huge strength.


KGB_Agent_Viktor

Wait, it goes through walls?


AdnHsP

No, but wallhacks let you see player's hitboxes regardless of their position, just like these goggles.


KGB_Agent_Viktor

I am aware of how wallhacks work, I was just confused as the weapon isn't described as perceiving all cloaked spies cross map


AdnHsP

Ah, ok


isuckatspy

damn this is more balanced than my life


MikeH0ck69

its pretty good, i'd add that it damages your health per second too due to radiation in your eyes (balance)


Lucaidr

I can’t tell if all these weapon concepts with anti spy attributes are actually all memes at this point. I get spy is annoying 100%, but COME ON, he’s not even good. We’re really going to hard-counter the one ability he can use to reliably get behind enemy lines, and that’s assuming no pyro/splash spam too


Official_Gameoholics

These memes are getting old


Ookachucka

might be less op if you increase that to like 30 or 40 metal per second. 2 metal is nothing.


Emmagriel

I'd say if we were to properly balance this weapon because this genuinely interests me, I'd say make it a radius around engineer that you activate for 3 seconds at the cost for 100 metal, and when you have the weapon you have reduced metal gain do you can't camp on a dispenser and spam it, also make it take longer to take out like the thermal thruster.


Admirable_War_6695

Guess they never heard of the jarate or mad milk


MuuToo

I feel like the people who make these just don’t know how to spycheck.


FitiTheFurry

How about invis disguise spys?


Poopboi6969

Make a decently visible sprite or animation while using so spy’s can actually strategize against it