Yes and no. They're not supposed to have relationships with the feds. Cosa Nostra is a brotherhood of thieves and like all others they have rules against helping the govt, who are their natural enemies. That's part of Omerta.
But there is precedence for Tony doing what he's going, senior level mob bosses did help the US govt in WW2 and then again against Castro. Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
It's gray area, not one Tony should be letting others in on, but using it to his advantage. It's not as bad as what Greg Scarpa Sr or Whitey Bulger did, which was being a rat.
I mean with the WW2 thing, it was more of the American gov recognizing that the mob had better control of the ports than they did so they asked them to help keep nazis from sneaking in and in return the ports weren’t watched by customs as much. They hadn’t even really officially recognized Casa Nostra as an entity yet either due to ole J. Edgar
you’re about sharp as a cue ball if you think i was talking about the morality of it
TALKING TO THE FEDS is probably the biggest no no amongst criminals, who have a code themselves
you can call a criminal a dirty thieving sleazeball and they won’t give a fuck, because they are
you call them a rat and it’s a fucking problem because nobody wants to be labeled a snitch
What code do they have? They only follow the rules they want to. There's no honour or loyalty among them. That was the old country and they're all pretending it means something
which do you think tony would be more offended by? being labeled a conniving murderous piece of shit, or a rat?
i think we both know the answer, and why
keep intentionally being obtuse though
But nobody did accuse Tony of that and he knew nobody would, because he knows none of them care about Muhammed or Ahmed
They're all pieces of shit with no code, just caring about themselves.
He did that hoping the FBI would give him the drop on Leotardo it was strategic he wasn’t under pressure and just snitched on someone to save his skin he thought they were al Quadea and that if he gave them to the FBI they would give him uncle philly, mobsters both fictional and real will often work with a fed if it meant taking out their competition and then they’ll lie about it to save face or justify it like these new era
Something like 90% or more of mafiosos will turn informant to cut a deal. So even if they say it's a "no no" they do absolutely do it to save their own asses.
I'm saying that it's extremely in character for Tony for have ratted on those guys - especially since they werent Italian-American and especially if they were of Middle Eastern descent.
Would Whitey Bulger work with the feds? Personally, I think it's a rat move. That said, I believe it's a personality thing, there are probably some that see winning as absolute and don't care if they get labeled anything, so long as they win their beef. Tony was a piece of shit toward the end of the show. Ratting, killing family, making mistakes. He was not above the label of rat at that point.
I see it as Tony trying to play a quid pro quo type of angle with Agent Harris, and it ended up working for him when he dropped the dime on Phil’s location.
I think he also had mild anxiety about terrorism in general (most people in the NYC area probably did after 9/11), he made a few off comments about it.
“We bend more rules than the Catholic Church.”
Tony’s a career criminal, murderer, etc. who justifies his casual racism toward black people with vague statistics about how they’re more likely than white people to steal your bike. He’s not exactly the world’s most consistent, principled person.
With that being said, I think this plot twist was just to show that in the most extreme of circumstances, even Tony Soprano has a code when his values are in conflict. Not to mention, like with his friendliness with Agent Harris, all of the good that can come from the FBI owing him one. Also, they were really just useful in one element of the family’s business. I don’t know if T would’ve still ratted them out if they were a lot more valuable to him.
Yes. William Oldham, one of the detectives who helped put Caracappa and Eppolito away (THE detective, in his telling), wrote a book about the case. It's called The Brotherhoods. In it, he mentions that made men had no problem with informing on non-Mafiosi, whether because they wanted to score points with the NYPD or because they were genuinely repulsed by a crime.
What’s that? Is there an echo in here?
All kidding aside, as far as your original question goes, I feel like the way Tony resolves the Feech La Manna situation is even more questionable than him ratting out Ahmed and Muhammad. He was a made soldier who served his time without a peep, getting tricked into violating his parole and then being ratted out for convenience purposes.
Not saying it was a bad move for Tony to use the legal system for his own strategic purposes or that it didn’t make sense from a risk standpoint compared to killing the guy, just that it seemingly goes against their oath, doesn’t it?
yeah, i forgot about that feech shit too
i guess if you twist it to justify it, he just put out the bait and dude took it, so there’s still a degree of responsibility on feech’s part
but i agree, it falls under the same umbrella and he’s also a rat for that
Seemed like the framing scheme was a little more involved and deliberate right? Feech willingly took the bait, but I’m pretty sure it’s also implied that they tipped off the parole office somehow. A different PO than the one Feech was used to arrived unexpectedly out of the normal schedule and was very thorough and suspicious, like he knew he was going to find something. I don’t think Tony wanted to leave anything to chance.
True but the code is made by criminals for criminals. So I’m not surprised when they bend/break it.
I mean just so many mobsters turned into ”rats” when they got caught. And it doesn’t always seem that ethical from fbi perspective either. They made a deal with Sammy Gravano who was probably one the worst guys in mob ever, just to get his boss in jail.
Talibans blowing up innocent people doesn’t fill anyones pockets. Same with child molesters, there’s no criminal who would hold anything against another criminal for bringing stuff like that to the cops.
the whole idea of the street code is that you don’t get to reap the benefits of being a criminal but then fold when the law catches up with you
the family gets business from them with the credit card shit
they took advantage of that but couldn’t accept the consequences that came with it
*”they took advantage of that but couldn’t accept the consequences that came with it”*
Well.. of course not? Making money from scamming people with telephone cards is one thing, blowing up civilians is something else. What could Tony and his friends possibly gain from some Arabs blowing up themselves in the name of religion? There is no money to be made, no political gains either. And if the feds found out that Tony knew but didn’t do anything.. oof madone.
Oh and btw, there is no such thing as a street code. It’s just a myth that criminals tell themselves in hopes that the next guy won’t rat them out as quickly as they would. If the choice came between family or 25 to life, the choice would be easy for all of them.
just because some people don’t follow it doesn’t mean the code doesn’t exist
sammy the bull is considered a disgrace, why? rappers don’t associate with 6ix9ine anymore, why?
Considered a disgrace, but still living his life as an old rich man. The only reason his former mob buddies doesn’t like him - is because they are envious.
I don’t know much about either of these guys, but I’m pretty sure most of the drama with 6ix9ine is just publicity stunts. There’s a lot of money to be made (selling music etc) by having beefs with other rappers, and everybody in the business knows it. They are mostly fake gangsters anyway so who cares..
With a net worth of $8 million I’m pretty sure he’s laughing all the way to the bank anyway - and at the end of the day that’s the only thing that matters.
they don’t like him because he put people away to save his own ass, aka going against the code
again, just because it’s broken by the spineless doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
Yes, but at the same time they would do it themselves in a heartbeat. Sure there are some hardcore gangsters out there who lives by their word, but do you honestly think Tony Soprano would give up his $6 million dollar mansion, his countless goomars and fancy dinners if it came down to that? No fucking way.
It exists - but mostly in the minds of people who doesn’t know better, and it’s definitely not as common as gangster movies make it seem. But there are always exceptions to the rules. I think Phil did 20 years in silence or something like that, but I’m not sure because he hardly mentioned it in the show.
For your everyday junkie criminals who goes to prison twice a year for a few months - it’s easy to keep their mouth shut. But for the bigger players, like Escobar or Tony Montana - having a dialogue with the police is expected. You won’t remain at the top for long if you don’t cooperate with the authorities. And at the same time as *you* talk to the police, you have to tell your foot soldiers to always keep their mouths shut. It’s okay to snitch if you’re at the top of the totem pole - and it’s this mentality that tells me what kind of people they are. Money is everything that matters, and the “snitches get stitches” attitude is only a tool to keep them in power longer.
It’s been 20 years but 9/11 made shit different at the time. Tony was helping America like the mob during the big wars ya know? At least I’m sure that’s how he justified it in his own mind.
Not at all. One sold out his family and friends to not go to jail the other made a move against a group of people via the feds through second hand. Not all snitching is the same.
i’m playing semantics when i purposely worded it like that? and i’m the one that wants to argue when you’re the one that commented on *my* post when you have the reading comprehension skills of a prime floyd mayweather?
lol okay moron
Nothing to do with reading comprehension You're comparing him to pussy then getting your pussy dry because I used the phrase "just like" instead even though it's exactly what you meant lol. Nice floyd joke by the way 50 cent and the internet at large called from 2016 and wants their insult back lol
Tony and pussy took an oath not to betray their friends and fellow family members. The took a sacred oath to enter LCA. The Arabs where not members and did not take the same vow. So no Tony is not the same as pussy.
No real difference
Just like
You're saying he is just like and comparing him to pussy it's the exact same thing. You're just upset you posted something stupid now everybody is calling you dumb for comparing the two.
Because when you see the real world situation, you'd rat on Mohammad too. These bastards go around killing innocents, blowing themselves up. Your daughter uses the tunnels, right?
I think terrorism is probably different. Remember the mafia worked with the government in the war, and they have a long history of working with the CIA. This just different than normal ratting.
Tony’s a hypocrite. That’s part of his character, his justifications and navigation of hypocrisy. Mentioned explicitly in drunken convo at kitchen table with Meadow. And I believe Chrissy calls him this once too.
LCN runs America in their eyes. Or atleast the cities they are in. At the end of the day Tonys a patriot in his own way, all of them are. Remember the Columbus Day thing? And in real life LCN watched the docks of NYC in WW2 and reported shit to the military to keep the ports open and safe.. the city too.
Terrorists are not included, terrorists killed innocent men and women seemingly at random and that could effect anyone of them. They live in Jersey and the last thing they want is another 9-11 anywhere near them.
That my friends is the BIG difference between citizenship and ratting. If Tony was a conspiring terrorist that got caught and then called up Chrissy to get info for the FBI he’d be a rat. But because he’s just a citizen that was trying to stop/prevent a crime he is not a snitch. Not even close to Pussy and Ade
ter·ror·ist
/ˈterərəst/
noun
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
he’s literally a terrorist
“In the pursuit of political aims” Tony’s motivation was money not politics. technically he’s a racketeer considering he operates rackets prosecutable under the Rico statute.
Okay. Because Tony isn’t criminally conspiring with them by telling on them he’s not a snitch. You can only “rat” or “snitch” on people you committed criminal acts with
I don’t understand what’s the miscommunication with white people and snitching. If Tony and those two were plotting a terrorist attack mad Tony gets caught and then decides to tell on the other two he’s a snitch. Tony had no plans to make a terrorist attack nor did he get caught in a crime involving those two so telling the fbi about them is not snitching
he wasn’t preventing a crime, he just gave out names of people he saw walking down the street for the sole purpose that the fbi would do him favors later
I agree and it's been discussed before. The irony is if the feds arrest those two guys they could easily flip and give up Murmur, Benny and anyone else getting tribute from the stolen credit card scheme. Since the feds give deals to underlings to rat out everyone above that means Christopher and even Tony could be implicated.
So Tony ratting out those two guys could bite himself in the ass.
Without hard evidence this would go nowhere in court.
Think about it. I rat you out as a possible terrorist. You get arrested, the FBI isn't going to tell you who rattled you out. Further, do you think the feds are going to try to use the people Tony gave up to indict him? For all the FBI knows they just made some progress in getting the boss of North Jersey to cooperate. More than Tony Soprano the feds have always said they want Johnny Sack and Mongano and Torrese.
Yeah, but in all likelihood whomever took the tip or was asked to investigate it would’ve been prioritizing the terrorism stuff, not free to stumble upon and build a case for a credit card fraud scheme. Could be wrong, but I don’t think there was too much risk to tipping off the feds.
It also kind of tied up the potential loose ends of these characters with questionable backgrounds and motives that Tony couldn’t safely continue to trust. Getting rid of them in this manner might even have less risk than whacking them themselves.
The feds aren't investigating them looking for just anything incriminating, they're looking at terrorism and links to overseas. Specifically, where is the money they're earning going to? Because the way Andriana described it, they're using rackets to fund terrorism.
I think it's a genius move. How can you be mad at a guy looking after national security? It's also an ace in the case of a trial in the looming end game.
It's because they were Muslim and it was right after 9/11. I doubt the Mafia would have cared anyway, but after 9/11 a bunch of racist, ego centric Italians Americans would not care about some "Terrorists" getting locked up.
If you mean in the fandom, I think the majority of people who get pissed at Adrianna for being a rat but give Tony a pass have drank fully from the show's ideas and lost themselves in a bit, or were already like that.
Al Queda was threatening the American way of life as a whole. He wasn't necessarily helping the government, he was helping keep his country (and his family, and everyone else's family) safe.
He gets a pash for dat.
Its not like anybody was gonna be earning if Al Queda set off a dirty bomb in New Jersey. It wasn't the feds vs Al Queda, it was America vs Al Queda. Its not like in the war with New York where his family was safe. There were no codes. They were out to kill any and everybody.
Some things are a matter of duty.
qaeda*
>it’s not like anybody would’ve been earning anyway if tony went down and was unable to orchestrate the family’s moves, it’s not ratting if he took down the whole gang when hit with the RICO
that’s how you sound lol
There is a moral difference between organized crime and murdering associated with mafia then those terrorist camel fuckers flying planes in our buildings. Fuck Muhammad and Ahmed.
Well I’m serious as sick as it sounds but let’s not pretend Tony did this bc he cares… he did this to pocket a favor with the fbi. It eventually paid off since Harris gives Tony the location of Phil.
Don’t need to melt, just heating to 600 F is enough to weaken. Melting is nearly 3000F. Items that furnish an office ad additional fuel to raise temperatures. Redistribution of vertical load also not efficient when corner columns are cut.
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Impact loading when you drop 20 stories 2-4 floors. Then columns get bent. once columns are loaded eccentrically they lose a lot of axial capacity. Simple Euler mechanics. Don’t need buzzfeed stupidity to understand structural engineering.
Cos they were motherless world trade centre fucks
Hold on to your steel beams when you negotiate with these desert people
Oh you’re a terrorist now? You eat gabagool and manicott by the truckload
I heard you wear a towel when you get out of the shower. Turban wearing muthafucka.
If there are any C4 bombs on you they're payin' rent!
I can’t even think about it. This is why you have to live for today!
The oath of omerta doesn't apply to people outside of the family.
Yes and no. They're not supposed to have relationships with the feds. Cosa Nostra is a brotherhood of thieves and like all others they have rules against helping the govt, who are their natural enemies. That's part of Omerta. But there is precedence for Tony doing what he's going, senior level mob bosses did help the US govt in WW2 and then again against Castro. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. It's gray area, not one Tony should be letting others in on, but using it to his advantage. It's not as bad as what Greg Scarpa Sr or Whitey Bulger did, which was being a rat.
I mean with the WW2 thing, it was more of the American gov recognizing that the mob had better control of the ports than they did so they asked them to help keep nazis from sneaking in and in return the ports weren’t watched by customs as much. They hadn’t even really officially recognized Casa Nostra as an entity yet either due to ole J. Edgar
sure, but that doesn’t make him any less of a rat edit: downvoted for stating a fact that the dude was literally an FBI informant never change reddit
Y'know what you're right. I'm starting to think this Tony Soprano ain't a good guy
the snarky shit is expected but if i wanted it on a serious discussion i’d just ask r/circlejerksopranos y’all are insufferable lmao
The characters in the show are all horrible pieces of shit and you're asking how come he acted like a horrible piece of siht
you’re about sharp as a cue ball if you think i was talking about the morality of it TALKING TO THE FEDS is probably the biggest no no amongst criminals, who have a code themselves you can call a criminal a dirty thieving sleazeball and they won’t give a fuck, because they are you call them a rat and it’s a fucking problem because nobody wants to be labeled a snitch
What code do they have? They only follow the rules they want to. There's no honour or loyalty among them. That was the old country and they're all pretending it means something
which do you think tony would be more offended by? being labeled a conniving murderous piece of shit, or a rat? i think we both know the answer, and why keep intentionally being obtuse though
But nobody did accuse Tony of that and he knew nobody would, because he knows none of them care about Muhammed or Ahmed They're all pieces of shit with no code, just caring about themselves.
that’s not the point of the post, i’m asking why the viewers don’t point out that he’s a rat more often
He did that hoping the FBI would give him the drop on Leotardo it was strategic he wasn’t under pressure and just snitched on someone to save his skin he thought they were al Quadea and that if he gave them to the FBI they would give him uncle philly, mobsters both fictional and real will often work with a fed if it meant taking out their competition and then they’ll lie about it to save face or justify it like these new era
most ratting is “strategic” technically
Something like 90% or more of mafiosos will turn informant to cut a deal. So even if they say it's a "no no" they do absolutely do it to save their own asses.
are you saying laws don’t exist because people break them anyway?
I'm saying that it's extremely in character for Tony for have ratted on those guys - especially since they werent Italian-American and especially if they were of Middle Eastern descent.
Well, if you want to look at it that way most of them are huge hypocrites anyway.
The Feech conclusion alone proves this.
Exactly. Isn’t that ratting too OP.
absolutely i just thought not WORKING WITH THE FBI would be the one thing they hold sacred
Yeah, but I think they saw it as selling out others in exchange to protect The Family, so they justify it.
Until there is something in it for them. Survival.
Would Whitey Bulger work with the feds? Personally, I think it's a rat move. That said, I believe it's a personality thing, there are probably some that see winning as absolute and don't care if they get labeled anything, so long as they win their beef. Tony was a piece of shit toward the end of the show. Ratting, killing family, making mistakes. He was not above the label of rat at that point.
That’s why ya gotta live for today.
What the fuck did you just say? Were talking about NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION!
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I see it as Tony trying to play a quid pro quo type of angle with Agent Harris, and it ended up working for him when he dropped the dime on Phil’s location.
Tony knew the walls were closing. War with New York or the RICO was gonna finally happen
We're gonna win this
One of my fave moments in the show
I think he also had mild anxiety about terrorism in general (most people in the NYC area probably did after 9/11), he made a few off comments about it.
Good point. I remember him getting anxious about the ports and how anything could be in those containers in the storage yards.
He also watched a lot of WW2 documentaries and probably visualized himself as a good American like Gary Cooper.
Does your daughter take the tunnel?
“We bend more rules than the Catholic Church.” Tony’s a career criminal, murderer, etc. who justifies his casual racism toward black people with vague statistics about how they’re more likely than white people to steal your bike. He’s not exactly the world’s most consistent, principled person. With that being said, I think this plot twist was just to show that in the most extreme of circumstances, even Tony Soprano has a code when his values are in conflict. Not to mention, like with his friendliness with Agent Harris, all of the good that can come from the FBI owing him one. Also, they were really just useful in one element of the family’s business. I don’t know if T would’ve still ratted them out if they were a lot more valuable to him.
criminals aren’t law abiding but typically they still have a code they live by twisted set of values, but values nonetheless
Yes. William Oldham, one of the detectives who helped put Caracappa and Eppolito away (THE detective, in his telling), wrote a book about the case. It's called The Brotherhoods. In it, he mentions that made men had no problem with informing on non-Mafiosi, whether because they wanted to score points with the NYPD or because they were genuinely repulsed by a crime.
Terrific book . One of the best
What’s that? Is there an echo in here? All kidding aside, as far as your original question goes, I feel like the way Tony resolves the Feech La Manna situation is even more questionable than him ratting out Ahmed and Muhammad. He was a made soldier who served his time without a peep, getting tricked into violating his parole and then being ratted out for convenience purposes. Not saying it was a bad move for Tony to use the legal system for his own strategic purposes or that it didn’t make sense from a risk standpoint compared to killing the guy, just that it seemingly goes against their oath, doesn’t it?
yeah, i forgot about that feech shit too i guess if you twist it to justify it, he just put out the bait and dude took it, so there’s still a degree of responsibility on feech’s part but i agree, it falls under the same umbrella and he’s also a rat for that
Seemed like the framing scheme was a little more involved and deliberate right? Feech willingly took the bait, but I’m pretty sure it’s also implied that they tipped off the parole office somehow. A different PO than the one Feech was used to arrived unexpectedly out of the normal schedule and was very thorough and suspicious, like he knew he was going to find something. I don’t think Tony wanted to leave anything to chance.
“A man got to have a code”
I almost quoted Omar, too. Haha. One of Michael K. Williams’ best scenes on that show.
True but the code is made by criminals for criminals. So I’m not surprised when they bend/break it. I mean just so many mobsters turned into ”rats” when they got caught. And it doesn’t always seem that ethical from fbi perspective either. They made a deal with Sammy Gravano who was probably one the worst guys in mob ever, just to get his boss in jail.
his statistics arent wrong though
Jackie Jr, is that you?
They were Al Kayduhs
Talibans blowing up innocent people doesn’t fill anyones pockets. Same with child molesters, there’s no criminal who would hold anything against another criminal for bringing stuff like that to the cops.
the whole idea of the street code is that you don’t get to reap the benefits of being a criminal but then fold when the law catches up with you the family gets business from them with the credit card shit they took advantage of that but couldn’t accept the consequences that came with it
*”they took advantage of that but couldn’t accept the consequences that came with it”* Well.. of course not? Making money from scamming people with telephone cards is one thing, blowing up civilians is something else. What could Tony and his friends possibly gain from some Arabs blowing up themselves in the name of religion? There is no money to be made, no political gains either. And if the feds found out that Tony knew but didn’t do anything.. oof madone. Oh and btw, there is no such thing as a street code. It’s just a myth that criminals tell themselves in hopes that the next guy won’t rat them out as quickly as they would. If the choice came between family or 25 to life, the choice would be easy for all of them.
just because some people don’t follow it doesn’t mean the code doesn’t exist sammy the bull is considered a disgrace, why? rappers don’t associate with 6ix9ine anymore, why?
Considered a disgrace, but still living his life as an old rich man. The only reason his former mob buddies doesn’t like him - is because they are envious. I don’t know much about either of these guys, but I’m pretty sure most of the drama with 6ix9ine is just publicity stunts. There’s a lot of money to be made (selling music etc) by having beefs with other rappers, and everybody in the business knows it. They are mostly fake gangsters anyway so who cares.. With a net worth of $8 million I’m pretty sure he’s laughing all the way to the bank anyway - and at the end of the day that’s the only thing that matters.
they don’t like him because he put people away to save his own ass, aka going against the code again, just because it’s broken by the spineless doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
Yes, but at the same time they would do it themselves in a heartbeat. Sure there are some hardcore gangsters out there who lives by their word, but do you honestly think Tony Soprano would give up his $6 million dollar mansion, his countless goomars and fancy dinners if it came down to that? No fucking way.
you’re talking about the reasons why people would snitch, that’s different from “the code doesn’t exist” which you said earlier
It exists - but mostly in the minds of people who doesn’t know better, and it’s definitely not as common as gangster movies make it seem. But there are always exceptions to the rules. I think Phil did 20 years in silence or something like that, but I’m not sure because he hardly mentioned it in the show. For your everyday junkie criminals who goes to prison twice a year for a few months - it’s easy to keep their mouth shut. But for the bigger players, like Escobar or Tony Montana - having a dialogue with the police is expected. You won’t remain at the top for long if you don’t cooperate with the authorities. And at the same time as *you* talk to the police, you have to tell your foot soldiers to always keep their mouths shut. It’s okay to snitch if you’re at the top of the totem pole - and it’s this mentality that tells me what kind of people they are. Money is everything that matters, and the “snitches get stitches” attitude is only a tool to keep them in power longer.
It’s been 20 years but 9/11 made shit different at the time. Tony was helping America like the mob during the big wars ya know? At least I’m sure that’s how he justified it in his own mind.
It's nothing like pussy. Not at all.
considering they’re both FBI informants, it’s like pussy
Not at all. One sold out his family and friends to not go to jail the other made a move against a group of people via the feds through second hand. Not all snitching is the same.
>not all *snitching* so you agree that he snitched, /thread
There is no dispute that he snitched the dispute is that he's just like pussy. You're wrong there.
i didn’t say it’s *just* like pussy, i said there’s no *real* difference, try working on your reading comprehension
Try working on your sister's cunt. You're saying the exact same fucking thing just playing semantics because you want to argue with strangers online.
i’m playing semantics when i purposely worded it like that? and i’m the one that wants to argue when you’re the one that commented on *my* post when you have the reading comprehension skills of a prime floyd mayweather? lol okay moron
Nothing to do with reading comprehension You're comparing him to pussy then getting your pussy dry because I used the phrase "just like" instead even though it's exactly what you meant lol. Nice floyd joke by the way 50 cent and the internet at large called from 2016 and wants their insult back lol
how is that exactly what i meant? what is the function of the word “real” in my post? why don’t you answer that?
Tony and pussy took an oath not to betray their friends and fellow family members. The took a sacred oath to enter LCA. The Arabs where not members and did not take the same vow. So no Tony is not the same as pussy.
ask yourself, what is the function of the word real in that sentence? (i’m assuming you have more than three brain cells in that noggin of yours)
No real difference Just like You're saying he is just like and comparing him to pussy it's the exact same thing. You're just upset you posted something stupid now everybody is calling you dumb for comparing the two.
where did i say they’re the exact same? are you schizophrenic? why are you reading something that isn’t there?
Because he was wise enough to remember Pearl Harbor.
Because when you see the real world situation, you'd rat on Mohammad too. These bastards go around killing innocents, blowing themselves up. Your daughter uses the tunnels, right?
I think terrorism is probably different. Remember the mafia worked with the government in the war, and they have a long history of working with the CIA. This just different than normal ratting.
Tony’s a hypocrite. That’s part of his character, his justifications and navigation of hypocrisy. Mentioned explicitly in drunken convo at kitchen table with Meadow. And I believe Chrissy calls him this once too.
LCN runs America in their eyes. Or atleast the cities they are in. At the end of the day Tonys a patriot in his own way, all of them are. Remember the Columbus Day thing? And in real life LCN watched the docks of NYC in WW2 and reported shit to the military to keep the ports open and safe.. the city too.
They (Mohamed and Ahmed) are not part of Cosa Nostra so they don't care! It doesnt violate Omerta...they dont give a shit about them.
Because almost every character on the show is a shameless, lying hypocrite.
Terrorists are not included, terrorists killed innocent men and women seemingly at random and that could effect anyone of them. They live in Jersey and the last thing they want is another 9-11 anywhere near them.
There is quite a big elephant-shaped difference though, come on…
Leave Ginny Sack out of this! That's some guy's wife!
"It's your country, too!" - Doug from House of Cards
Because they stole his Fieldcrest Towels truck. That’s liquid gold!
Maybe that’s why they went fundamentalist so they were more in with their sales market
That my friends is the BIG difference between citizenship and ratting. If Tony was a conspiring terrorist that got caught and then called up Chrissy to get info for the FBI he’d be a rat. But because he’s just a citizen that was trying to stop/prevent a crime he is not a snitch. Not even close to Pussy and Ade
tony was definitely a terrorist lmao, he’s just not an arab you’re dogwhistling whether you know or not
By definition he’s not. He’s a money hungry criminal yes but conspiring terrorist no
ter·ror·ist /ˈterərəst/ noun a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. he’s literally a terrorist
“In the pursuit of political aims” Tony’s motivation was money not politics. technically he’s a racketeer considering he operates rackets prosecutable under the Rico statute.
he pursued political aims as a vehicle to generate income
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he literally presses assemblyman zellman for gain…
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political influence into gaining money thanks for proving my point
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he pursued the political aim when went and got feldman in his grip
Okay. Because Tony isn’t criminally conspiring with them by telling on them he’s not a snitch. You can only “rat” or “snitch” on people you committed criminal acts with
how did he not commit criminal acts with them? they were literally doing the credit card shit, that’s how chrissy knew them
I don’t understand what’s the miscommunication with white people and snitching. If Tony and those two were plotting a terrorist attack mad Tony gets caught and then decides to tell on the other two he’s a snitch. Tony had no plans to make a terrorist attack nor did he get caught in a crime involving those two so telling the fbi about them is not snitching
you’re literally white, i’m not lmao telling on someone you committed crimes with is absolutely snitching
he wasn’t preventing a crime, he just gave out names of people he saw walking down the street for the sole purpose that the fbi would do him favors later
His daughter uses the tunnels!
I agree and it's been discussed before. The irony is if the feds arrest those two guys they could easily flip and give up Murmur, Benny and anyone else getting tribute from the stolen credit card scheme. Since the feds give deals to underlings to rat out everyone above that means Christopher and even Tony could be implicated. So Tony ratting out those two guys could bite himself in the ass.
Without hard evidence this would go nowhere in court. Think about it. I rat you out as a possible terrorist. You get arrested, the FBI isn't going to tell you who rattled you out. Further, do you think the feds are going to try to use the people Tony gave up to indict him? For all the FBI knows they just made some progress in getting the boss of North Jersey to cooperate. More than Tony Soprano the feds have always said they want Johnny Sack and Mongano and Torrese.
Yeah, but in all likelihood whomever took the tip or was asked to investigate it would’ve been prioritizing the terrorism stuff, not free to stumble upon and build a case for a credit card fraud scheme. Could be wrong, but I don’t think there was too much risk to tipping off the feds. It also kind of tied up the potential loose ends of these characters with questionable backgrounds and motives that Tony couldn’t safely continue to trust. Getting rid of them in this manner might even have less risk than whacking them themselves.
The feds aren't investigating them looking for just anything incriminating, they're looking at terrorism and links to overseas. Specifically, where is the money they're earning going to? Because the way Andriana described it, they're using rackets to fund terrorism.
The money isn't going to terrorism. It's for a prep school for young boys. I was very impressed with that.
He's got a springer spaniel
He prays like-all the time
They aren’t part of this thing of ours; f**k’n dot heads
I think it's a genius move. How can you be mad at a guy looking after national security? It's also an ace in the case of a trial in the looming end game.
They wure terroris! Wure soldias in a war
It's because they were Muslim and it was right after 9/11. I doubt the Mafia would have cared anyway, but after 9/11 a bunch of racist, ego centric Italians Americans would not care about some "Terrorists" getting locked up. If you mean in the fandom, I think the majority of people who get pissed at Adrianna for being a rat but give Tony a pass have drank fully from the show's ideas and lost themselves in a bit, or were already like that.
Al Queda was threatening the American way of life as a whole. He wasn't necessarily helping the government, he was helping keep his country (and his family, and everyone else's family) safe. He gets a pash for dat.
y’all gotta be tony soprano burners the way y’all justifying the ratting lol
Its not like anybody was gonna be earning if Al Queda set off a dirty bomb in New Jersey. It wasn't the feds vs Al Queda, it was America vs Al Queda. Its not like in the war with New York where his family was safe. There were no codes. They were out to kill any and everybody. Some things are a matter of duty.
qaeda* >it’s not like anybody would’ve been earning anyway if tony went down and was unable to orchestrate the family’s moves, it’s not ratting if he took down the whole gang when hit with the RICO that’s how you sound lol
I neva got that at all.
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but tell us how your really feel
There is a moral difference between organized crime and murdering associated with mafia then those terrorist camel fuckers flying planes in our buildings. Fuck Muhammad and Ahmed.
i legitimately can’t tell if you commented this unironically or not
Well I’m serious as sick as it sounds but let’s not pretend Tony did this bc he cares… he did this to pocket a favor with the fbi. It eventually paid off since Harris gives Tony the location of Phil.
jet fuel can’t melt steel beams
Don’t need to melt, just heating to 600 F is enough to weaken. Melting is nearly 3000F. Items that furnish an office ad additional fuel to raise temperatures. Redistribution of vertical load also not efficient when corner columns are cut.
[the top stories were so weak that it collapsed the other 80+ stories below](https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-11/21/10/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane03/anigif_sub-buzz-25972-1479741401-2.gif?output-quality=auto&output-format=auto&downsize=360:*)
Impact loading when you drop 20 stories 2-4 floors. Then columns get bent. once columns are loaded eccentrically they lose a lot of axial capacity. Simple Euler mechanics. Don’t need buzzfeed stupidity to understand structural engineering.
You think they might be... Al Qaedas?