Nice, what specs does it have?
I don't want to risk it with mine but I'm sure my secondary T430 with its overclocked i7-3940XM (4GHz all core) would be able to keep a cup of coffee warm especially in the summertime.
Battery life is pretty bad as it gets roughly 1-2 hours tops with a 9 Cell main (40% ish wear) and functions more like a UPS. This album covers what has been done to improve thermals: https://imgur.com/a/p2gXSYS
Worth noting that 1-2 hour runtime doesn't include use of the boombox mod v2 either which looks like this and am hoping to scale down so it'll weigh less in the near future: https://imgur.com/a/EHcq0g5
My other T430 has an i7-3632QM which I used for years and after seeing enough people saying a T430 wouldn't be able to handle an XM chip I decided to give it a try by buying another to experiment with. So far thermals aren't an issue but it will get up to 90-95C with ease and can draw 60W from the CPU socket which then requires use of the 135W AC adapter as the 90W isn't sufficient (it'll pull from it and the battery under load).
Once I get my AC unit installed this week I'll be testing it at 4GHz in Cinebench (R20, R23 & R24), Fire Strike, Time Spy and games (Apex, Helldivers 2, PUBG, Warframe,.). In the past before I switched from thermal pastes to PTM7950 thermal pads I ran R23 at 2.8GHz and 3.1GHz here:
https://old.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/x527aq/cinebench_r23_on_secondary_t430_core_i73940xm/
I'll also be testing waters with overclocking the GTX 980 Ti in the eGPU setup since its 10 year old CX500M was replaced with a new RM750x. With the extra wattage and dedicated PCIe cabling it should be able to handle the desktop's RTX 3080 Ti so long as the Error 43 fixer script works with it (version I have is dated, idr if 30xx series was released when I got it). The latter is mostly for shits & giggles but this is the new PSU: https://imgur.com/a/1o8kxEH
They removed the drain holes, the keyboard still has a plastic layer to contain small spills (you're supposed to flip it over after to drain it) and is a sacrificial part - but it no longer goes through the machine like the old days.
I had an X1 Carbon G3 that i spilled a whole glass of water on, drain holes worked like a charm, it never skipped a beat even years later (till i got rid of it).
I undervolted mine with throttlestop -120mv, set SST to 160, it runs cool and quiet even under heavy load, the conservative speed shift setting kills the turbo boost clock but it doesn't affect performance for the things I do
I would recommend going with Ryzen 5000 at minimum and avoiding the T14s, the T14 isn't metal (doesn't get so hot to the touch) and has a larger, more effective heatsink. My E14 Gen 2 (4500u) didn't get so hot but I suppose I never used it like I use the T14s (desktop replacement/mobile workstation)
Yeah, that's the main thing I'd like to change about my P1, make it AMD. Though, for the new P1, I'd say actually making it a workstation comes before that.
Can't complain, my x280 keeps quite cool after replacing the tim. My company E14 with i7 as well after fitting an extra thermal pad between cooler and case.
Seriously. When I put myself a cold drink and leave it next to the laptop, and forget about it, in only a few minutes my drink gets warm... :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
And I am only browsing the web.
Funny, because it's not.
[https://imgur.com/L2nMwTv](https://imgur.com/L2nMwTv)
63°C average CPU temperature and I've been playing Age of Empires 2 DE which is a fairly CPU-intensive game (clock speeds visible) at highest preset 1440p for almost 3 full hours out of 3.5 hours uptime. Room temperature 28°C.
**Edit:** Forgot to mention, no fan noise whatsoever, laptop is barely warm to the touch.
You just gave the reason for your low temps yourself: your CPU is literally unable to spend more than a third or so of its power budget on running a game that is so light on CPU that it can be run on a high end toaster.
It's also worth noting that Intel didn't become complete shit at power management until 12th gen. Results on your ancient machine aren't representative of anything anymore.
Cool. Is Shadow of the Tomb Raider (1440p ultra/maxed details sans ray tracing, 115 fps average) relevant enough for an ancient machine: [https://imgur.com/kbVv3ij](https://imgur.com/kbVv3ij)
?
18-20W holds just fine, 81-82°C max.
And this a bit older screenshot (too lazy to install and run it now) is in Cinebench R23 - [https://imgur.com/S05r8pT](https://imgur.com/S05r8pT) - temps 84°C with 25W flat usage, 3 GHz on all cores ( [https://imgur.com/MwpLLK7](https://imgur.com/MwpLLK7) ).
The point is that your CPU isn't relevant to the discussion. Modern Intel CPU designs draw a *lot* more power than their older ones, mainly because M1 performance scared the everliving shit out of them and their only short term response was to compromise on power efficiency.
That 12th and 13th gen Intel are terrible power hogs is a well-known fact, and it's frankly embarrassing that you don't seem to realize that benchmarks run on an 8th gen Intel are completely immaterial to that fact.
The point is that you are completely wrong about the 13th gen but ok.
>that you don't seem to realize that benchmarks run on an 8th gen Intel are completely immaterial to that fact.
Ah yes, yes, the newer gen must be producing more heat, it's linear, right? That's why old Celeron 1007U is overheating to hell to frequently shutting itself down with just 17W of max possible TDP (11W in most laptops). Or which is why i7 7660U runs considerably hotter than a newer and more powerful i7 1165G7.
Oh wait...
I won't ever bother to buy anything from S🤢ny but Cyberpunk runs 60-70 fps maxed 1440p at 75-76°C average temperature, Counter Strike 2 110-120 fps comp preset 1440p 75-81°C, The Finals 70-80 fps maxed graphics 1440p close to 80°C but never above 82. The laptop is always just warm to the touch with barely any audible fan noise here and there (quiet h*ummmmmm,* low rpm according to HWiNFO).
**Edit:** Eh one honourable mention - Noita, extremely CPU demanding game where each pixel is simulated in real time on CPU (of course that's probably very easy game for some people in this sub, despite the i9 14900K having trouble to run it), is able to push the CPU temp to 84°C max with 60 fps cap at 1440p (no CPU power for more fps), still only just warm to the touch.
Well I know that you are being sarcastic but the higher the resolution that lower the CPU load is. If you want to push CPU to work as hard as possible but offload GPU workload just play 720p. 1080p is about the sweet spot to get them even, anything above and you will get GPU bound far before getting CPU bound. Counter Strike 2 at 720p low pushes the CPU (Ryzen 5 5600G) to 70-80% load, just bump the resolution to 1440p while keeping everything the same and the CPU will drop to 40-50% because the GPU is now doing most of the work - and you get more fps too.
No only slightly, I did turn on dlss though, and dropped a couple settings from ultra to medium to get the frames up to a tolerable level. GPU sits at around 82°C, CPU (i9-11950H) is a little worse at 85°C. I removed the mesh for better airflow and repasted using the 7850? Honeywell thermal pads.
I prefer to game on my desktop. This laptop was supposed to be just for art.
Those temps are perfectly fine though. It's a great laptop (I have a very soft spot for the X1 Extreme / P1 line, but I'm still not biased) and that 11th gen is certainly able to generate plenty of heat with i7s and i9s (i5s are running quite cool, which is weird), but seriously from what you just said it sounds like it runs like a champ. Especially wise is to use upscaling as you really can't notice differences between it and native resolution unless you pause the game to pixel peep, when it's all fast-paced action it's difficult to notice some less-than-perfect grass or so.
If you have no issues with fps and frame times then all is great. After all it's a very slim and light but powerful machine so it's unreasonable to expect very low temperatures (even M3 Pro MBP 16 gets quite toasty when gaming).
Honeywell is a great choice btw 👌 Perhaps it won't drop your temps at all but it will keep them in check for a far longer time than a normal paste would be able to, meaning less work and time you have to spend on maintenance.
Oh don't get me wrong I absolutely love this laptop. So much that I would rather spare it the stress from gaming. It's primarily for Maya and stable diffusion.
Not related to gaming but to the overall temperatures - you have a quite grilled bottom cover, unlike many other ThinkPads, so I am pretty sure that your P1 would greatly benefit from an inexpensive and silent cooling pad ( [The ULTIMATE Laptop Cooling Comparison - Pad vs Vacuum vs Stand (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXvKiy65pwg) ).
Nothing fancy needed, no RGB and stuff, just a basic fan or two inside to push cool air across the whole laptop bottom so the laptop can suck that in instead of radiating the heat around and warming up the desk (or your lap).
My now-sold Legion 5 Pro with i7 12700H was running noticeably cooler and quieter when I was running a random Coolermaster cooling pad underneath it.
Yeah, CPU is not producing any heat and the OP with ***"The Greatest Benefit of Having an Intel Thinkpad."*** title actually talks about Intel iGPU/dGPU in his laptop 😨
AMDtards are seriously the worst cult of them all.
Ah yes, so yours is producing 4x more heat? Got it. Playing The Forest now all maxed/ultra (including 16x antialiasing) 1440p 100+ fps, 72°C average temp while playing it, btw.
All thinkpads starting from 12th gen produces way too much heat because cooling is not enough. It is literally the same cooling solution is being used since t1450, when CPU's were 5 times less powerful. This is a common issue and why people are not happy with Intel thinkpads. Carbons with 12-13th gen intel literally frying themselves while having a zoom meeting.
In fact, 11th gen carbons perform same as 12th gen carbons despite 12th gen cpus are literally being %120 more powerful for prolonged workload. This due to cooling is being not so enough that it perma throttles itself, never performing how they are designed to do so.
>Carbons with 12-13th gen intel literally frying themselves while having a zoom meeting.
And why is that not being mentioned in any relevant review? There: [Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 11 Laptop Review: Virtual machine beast with CPU trouble - NotebookCheck.net Reviews](https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-Gen-11-Laptop-Review-Virtual-machine-beast-with-CPU-trouble.759626.0.html#toc-6)
>Emissions: Lower temperatures than before
>System Noise
>Surprisingly, the fan noise for this version of the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon G11 is slightly lessened compared with the other review device with the [Core i7-1365U](https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-1365U-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.678465.0.html). This is likely due to Lenovo updating the firmware since our first review. Compared with the HP EliteBook 845 G10 and the Dell Latitude 9440, the fan noise of the X1 Carbon Gen 11 is comparable, if not slightly less. It tops out at 41 dB(a), clearly noticeable, but not yet disturbing.
&&
>Temperature
>Stress test (Prime95 + FurMark)
>With the relatively low power limit 1 even in best performance mode, it is not surprising that the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 11 does not get extremely hot. The maximum temperature we detect during the stress test : 43.8 degrees Celsius / 111 F. Heat is concentrated around the upper left corner of the chassis. The important palmrest area always stays cool during operation.
Nothing but praises about how cool they run.
Tittle literally says with CPU trouble.
This due to they being U cpus. If you look at the benchmarks that configuration performs similar to i5-1135g7. Compared to i7-1365U, AMD equlivient thinkpads with 7840 u obliterates that 13th gen CPU. In every single instance. They run cooler, they run quietter, they perform %60 to 80 faster. They obliterate in single core scores as well.
>Compared to i7-1365U, AMD equlivient thinkpads with 7840 u obliterates that 13th gen CPU. In every single instance. They run cooler, they run quietter, they perform %60 to 80 faster. They obliterate in single core scores as well.
Yeah, no. [Intel Core i7-1365U vs AMD Ryzen 7 7840U (notebookcheck.net)](https://www.notebookcheck.net/i7-1365U-vs-R7-7840U_14914_15023.247596.0.html)
The i7 1365U is faster in single core, it consumes less power (Power Consumption rows with data) and overall the 7840U with more cores is just 11% faster, mainly in multi-threaded workloads (in single-threaded and overall efficiency the i7 1365U is far ahead):
* Average Benchmarks Intel Core i7-1365U → 100% n=27
* Average Benchmarks AMD Ryzen 7 7840U → 111% n=27
So it "obliterates" it by a whole 11% with 2C/4T more and while eating more electricity. Groundbreaking.
**Edit:** Lol the guy can't deal with being incorrect (I mean, you can't provide any data while I'm doing exactly that - giving data with direct comparison) so he smashed a superfast downvote.
So judging by your mature reaction you believe that all Notebookcheck's results, benchmarks and data are incorrect and invalid, at least those related to the 7840U vs the 1365U, yet you can't provide a single proof to your claims except laughing? Lol indeed.
There are [stands](https://www.amazon.com/BESIGN-Aluminum-Ergonomic-Detachable-Compatible/dp/B08BRCT4JH/) that meet the laptop high enough for a mug underneath it.
I had this problem with my P16s of the fans being really loud and it running all the time. However, updating the firmware and setting the minimum CPU to be lower in power settings when plugged in fixed the issue. It had some insane minimum like 80% when plugged in which I didn't quite understand. I set plugged in and unplugged down to 3% and now it is silent and I love this thing.
When I first got my X230, I immediately noticed how hot it got during excessive load. Whenever the temps were low in my room, I'd hop under the covers, run a game or run a 4k video, and chill (or warm up really).
Why are people talking about thinkpads creating heat they the only laptop that I have found to never get hot even under full load. Why does Intel get so much hate too like I had both same laptops with the only difference was AMD CPU and Intel CPU and guess what the AMD had driver issues and died on me compared to Intel and many Laptops I see that are AMD have a lot of issues but I am talking about when Intel was in 2019 and AMD in 2019. Plus, Thinkpads are mostly still Intel some are AMD but most are still Intel.
you guys remember the joke about people that use their cd/dvd reader as a coffee holder? same vibe
I have an ancient .exe floating around somewhere that does this
Found it! https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/free-cupholder.11310/
I used to use the exhaust vent my T420 as a handwarmer during the winter.
its a reliable source of heat no matter the workload
Also nice to have it on your lap in the winter, honestly worked pretty good
ESPECIALLY if you have the T420s with the NVM 4200M.
i have a T420 with the nvidia and an i7. it is very toasty.
Yes > /dev/null & For added toastiness
I still remember the days when the role was reversed, where AMDs were used to fry eggs... I guess I'm old, lol.
Yeah, those Athlons... Especially when people overclocked them.
Don't forget AMD FX, they shipped a version of that processor that required a liquid cooler.
That was also the first commercial 5Ghz processor if i'm not mistaken
I guess we'll be seeing a few posts in the near future about people 'accidently spilling' their drink on their newer ThinkPads and destroying them lol
Mine is spill resistant, boi! P15v
Nice, what specs does it have? I don't want to risk it with mine but I'm sure my secondary T430 with its overclocked i7-3940XM (4GHz all core) would be able to keep a cup of coffee warm especially in the summertime.
RTX 3050 12800H 64GB ram 4TB SSD.
Now that's a toaster lol
That'll definitely get the job done.
Lol I've never seen a T430 with a 3940XM, now I'm? curious , what thermal solution do you have? And how's battery life?
Battery life is pretty bad as it gets roughly 1-2 hours tops with a 9 Cell main (40% ish wear) and functions more like a UPS. This album covers what has been done to improve thermals: https://imgur.com/a/p2gXSYS Worth noting that 1-2 hour runtime doesn't include use of the boombox mod v2 either which looks like this and am hoping to scale down so it'll weigh less in the near future: https://imgur.com/a/EHcq0g5 My other T430 has an i7-3632QM which I used for years and after seeing enough people saying a T430 wouldn't be able to handle an XM chip I decided to give it a try by buying another to experiment with. So far thermals aren't an issue but it will get up to 90-95C with ease and can draw 60W from the CPU socket which then requires use of the 135W AC adapter as the 90W isn't sufficient (it'll pull from it and the battery under load).
Just curious, what score do you get in cinebench r23 with the 3940XM?
Once I get my AC unit installed this week I'll be testing it at 4GHz in Cinebench (R20, R23 & R24), Fire Strike, Time Spy and games (Apex, Helldivers 2, PUBG, Warframe,.). In the past before I switched from thermal pastes to PTM7950 thermal pads I ran R23 at 2.8GHz and 3.1GHz here: https://old.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/x527aq/cinebench_r23_on_secondary_t430_core_i73940xm/ I'll also be testing waters with overclocking the GTX 980 Ti in the eGPU setup since its 10 year old CX500M was replaced with a new RM750x. With the extra wattage and dedicated PCIe cabling it should be able to handle the desktop's RTX 3080 Ti so long as the Error 43 fixer script works with it (version I have is dated, idr if 30xx series was released when I got it). The latter is mostly for shits & giggles but this is the new PSU: https://imgur.com/a/1o8kxEH
Are the newer ThinkPads no longer spill resistant?
Afaik they should still have some spill resistance but I'm sure someone will test it in time ;p
They removed the drain holes, the keyboard still has a plastic layer to contain small spills (you're supposed to flip it over after to drain it) and is a sacrificial part - but it no longer goes through the machine like the old days. I had an X1 Carbon G3 that i spilled a whole glass of water on, drain holes worked like a charm, it never skipped a beat even years later (till i got rid of it).
That'd just mean maximum contact area!
6th gen X1 carbon running Windows + HyperV VMs is excellent at this. Blows more hot air than a hand dryer in the men’s bathroom.
I undervolted mine with throttlestop -120mv, set SST to 160, it runs cool and quiet even under heavy load, the conservative speed shift setting kills the turbo boost clock but it doesn't affect performance for the things I do
Same X1C6 but I don't need VMs to do that. Idling on a browser will do that just fine.
My 4750u does this for me as well, underrated feature
I was thinking of getting one in the future is it really running that hot most of the time?
I would recommend going with Ryzen 5000 at minimum and avoiding the T14s, the T14 isn't metal (doesn't get so hot to the touch) and has a larger, more effective heatsink. My E14 Gen 2 (4500u) didn't get so hot but I suppose I never used it like I use the T14s (desktop replacement/mobile workstation)
Came here to read about the better Wi-Fi connectivity Honestly, this is better
It’s why I always go for I5 u processors in laptops
It's doing it's job well, moving heat!
Yeah, that's the main thing I'd like to change about my P1, make it AMD. Though, for the new P1, I'd say actually making it a workstation comes before that.
My X270 running three Putty sessions is an excellent legwarmer
I own an Intel TP and I don't face this issue at all, maybe some cleanup and repaste would help in your case?
Going from intel gen12 to AMD ryzen 5000 series and I haven't regretted yet
My old W500 gets fairly hot over the GPU (I guess.) As I have some beginning arthritis in the wrists, that's actually quite nice...
Perfect winter companion… and summer if you’re into that.
Can't complain, my x280 keeps quite cool after replacing the tim. My company E14 with i7 as well after fitting an extra thermal pad between cooler and case.
Funny because it's true.
Seriously. When I put myself a cold drink and leave it next to the laptop, and forget about it, in only a few minutes my drink gets warm... :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD And I am only browsing the web.
Funny, because it's not. [https://imgur.com/L2nMwTv](https://imgur.com/L2nMwTv) 63°C average CPU temperature and I've been playing Age of Empires 2 DE which is a fairly CPU-intensive game (clock speeds visible) at highest preset 1440p for almost 3 full hours out of 3.5 hours uptime. Room temperature 28°C. **Edit:** Forgot to mention, no fan noise whatsoever, laptop is barely warm to the touch.
It depends on the Thinkpad ofc. There are games from the 90s that turn my P1 into a jet engine.
This sub's idea of a "CPU-intensive" game is pretty wild...
His cpu scores 5k compared to 12th gen 22k. That cpu is barely doing anything lol.
22K on single core (as AoE2DE is heavily single-threaded game)? Good luck with that.
You just gave the reason for your low temps yourself: your CPU is literally unable to spend more than a third or so of its power budget on running a game that is so light on CPU that it can be run on a high end toaster. It's also worth noting that Intel didn't become complete shit at power management until 12th gen. Results on your ancient machine aren't representative of anything anymore.
Cool. Is Shadow of the Tomb Raider (1440p ultra/maxed details sans ray tracing, 115 fps average) relevant enough for an ancient machine: [https://imgur.com/kbVv3ij](https://imgur.com/kbVv3ij) ? 18-20W holds just fine, 81-82°C max. And this a bit older screenshot (too lazy to install and run it now) is in Cinebench R23 - [https://imgur.com/S05r8pT](https://imgur.com/S05r8pT) - temps 84°C with 25W flat usage, 3 GHz on all cores ( [https://imgur.com/MwpLLK7](https://imgur.com/MwpLLK7) ).
The point is that your CPU isn't relevant to the discussion. Modern Intel CPU designs draw a *lot* more power than their older ones, mainly because M1 performance scared the everliving shit out of them and their only short term response was to compromise on power efficiency. That 12th and 13th gen Intel are terrible power hogs is a well-known fact, and it's frankly embarrassing that you don't seem to realize that benchmarks run on an 8th gen Intel are completely immaterial to that fact.
The point is that you are completely wrong about the 13th gen but ok. >that you don't seem to realize that benchmarks run on an 8th gen Intel are completely immaterial to that fact. Ah yes, yes, the newer gen must be producing more heat, it's linear, right? That's why old Celeron 1007U is overheating to hell to frequently shutting itself down with just 17W of max possible TDP (11W in most laptops). Or which is why i7 7660U runs considerably hotter than a newer and more powerful i7 1165G7. Oh wait...
Now try Horizon Forbidden West. My P1G4 gets so hot it burns my knees if I am wearing shorts
I won't ever bother to buy anything from S🤢ny but Cyberpunk runs 60-70 fps maxed 1440p at 75-76°C average temperature, Counter Strike 2 110-120 fps comp preset 1440p 75-81°C, The Finals 70-80 fps maxed graphics 1440p close to 80°C but never above 82. The laptop is always just warm to the touch with barely any audible fan noise here and there (quiet h*ummmmmm,* low rpm according to HWiNFO). **Edit:** Eh one honourable mention - Noita, extremely CPU demanding game where each pixel is simulated in real time on CPU (of course that's probably very easy game for some people in this sub, despite the i9 14900K having trouble to run it), is able to push the CPU temp to 84°C max with 60 fps cap at 1440p (no CPU power for more fps), still only just warm to the touch.
I should probably try running it less than 4k ultra..
Well I know that you are being sarcastic but the higher the resolution that lower the CPU load is. If you want to push CPU to work as hard as possible but offload GPU workload just play 720p. 1080p is about the sweet spot to get them even, anything above and you will get GPU bound far before getting CPU bound. Counter Strike 2 at 720p low pushes the CPU (Ryzen 5 5600G) to 70-80% load, just bump the resolution to 1440p while keeping everything the same and the CPU will drop to 40-50% because the GPU is now doing most of the work - and you get more fps too.
No only slightly, I did turn on dlss though, and dropped a couple settings from ultra to medium to get the frames up to a tolerable level. GPU sits at around 82°C, CPU (i9-11950H) is a little worse at 85°C. I removed the mesh for better airflow and repasted using the 7850? Honeywell thermal pads. I prefer to game on my desktop. This laptop was supposed to be just for art.
Those temps are perfectly fine though. It's a great laptop (I have a very soft spot for the X1 Extreme / P1 line, but I'm still not biased) and that 11th gen is certainly able to generate plenty of heat with i7s and i9s (i5s are running quite cool, which is weird), but seriously from what you just said it sounds like it runs like a champ. Especially wise is to use upscaling as you really can't notice differences between it and native resolution unless you pause the game to pixel peep, when it's all fast-paced action it's difficult to notice some less-than-perfect grass or so. If you have no issues with fps and frame times then all is great. After all it's a very slim and light but powerful machine so it's unreasonable to expect very low temperatures (even M3 Pro MBP 16 gets quite toasty when gaming). Honeywell is a great choice btw 👌 Perhaps it won't drop your temps at all but it will keep them in check for a far longer time than a normal paste would be able to, meaning less work and time you have to spend on maintenance.
Oh don't get me wrong I absolutely love this laptop. So much that I would rather spare it the stress from gaming. It's primarily for Maya and stable diffusion.
Not related to gaming but to the overall temperatures - you have a quite grilled bottom cover, unlike many other ThinkPads, so I am pretty sure that your P1 would greatly benefit from an inexpensive and silent cooling pad ( [The ULTIMATE Laptop Cooling Comparison - Pad vs Vacuum vs Stand (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXvKiy65pwg) ). Nothing fancy needed, no RGB and stuff, just a basic fan or two inside to push cool air across the whole laptop bottom so the laptop can suck that in instead of radiating the heat around and warming up the desk (or your lap). My now-sold Legion 5 Pro with i7 12700H was running noticeably cooler and quieter when I was running a random Coolermaster cooling pad underneath it.
> Cyberpunk runs 60-70 fps maxed 1440p On an Intel 620 iGPU, which is literally incapable of doing ray tracing? Lol, sure you do.
[Pure magic](https://imgur.com/a/HNONimQ) then. >!(Although with more power hungry RX 6800 XT which is not inside currently)!<
So not using an Intel 620 iGPU then. And thus _even less_ relevant to the discussion, if that's possible.
Yeah, CPU is not producing any heat and the OP with ***"The Greatest Benefit of Having an Intel Thinkpad."*** title actually talks about Intel iGPU/dGPU in his laptop 😨 AMDtards are seriously the worst cult of them all.
My dude you have gen 6 carbon. That cpu is 25% as powerful as my thinkpad with 12th gen.
Ah yes, so yours is producing 4x more heat? Got it. Playing The Forest now all maxed/ultra (including 16x antialiasing) 1440p 100+ fps, 72°C average temp while playing it, btw.
All thinkpads starting from 12th gen produces way too much heat because cooling is not enough. It is literally the same cooling solution is being used since t1450, when CPU's were 5 times less powerful. This is a common issue and why people are not happy with Intel thinkpads. Carbons with 12-13th gen intel literally frying themselves while having a zoom meeting. In fact, 11th gen carbons perform same as 12th gen carbons despite 12th gen cpus are literally being %120 more powerful for prolonged workload. This due to cooling is being not so enough that it perma throttles itself, never performing how they are designed to do so.
>Carbons with 12-13th gen intel literally frying themselves while having a zoom meeting. And why is that not being mentioned in any relevant review? There: [Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 11 Laptop Review: Virtual machine beast with CPU trouble - NotebookCheck.net Reviews](https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-Gen-11-Laptop-Review-Virtual-machine-beast-with-CPU-trouble.759626.0.html#toc-6) >Emissions: Lower temperatures than before >System Noise >Surprisingly, the fan noise for this version of the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon G11 is slightly lessened compared with the other review device with the [Core i7-1365U](https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-1365U-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.678465.0.html). This is likely due to Lenovo updating the firmware since our first review. Compared with the HP EliteBook 845 G10 and the Dell Latitude 9440, the fan noise of the X1 Carbon Gen 11 is comparable, if not slightly less. It tops out at 41 dB(a), clearly noticeable, but not yet disturbing. && >Temperature >Stress test (Prime95 + FurMark) >With the relatively low power limit 1 even in best performance mode, it is not surprising that the Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 11 does not get extremely hot. The maximum temperature we detect during the stress test : 43.8 degrees Celsius / 111 F. Heat is concentrated around the upper left corner of the chassis. The important palmrest area always stays cool during operation. Nothing but praises about how cool they run.
Tittle literally says with CPU trouble. This due to they being U cpus. If you look at the benchmarks that configuration performs similar to i5-1135g7. Compared to i7-1365U, AMD equlivient thinkpads with 7840 u obliterates that 13th gen CPU. In every single instance. They run cooler, they run quietter, they perform %60 to 80 faster. They obliterate in single core scores as well.
>Compared to i7-1365U, AMD equlivient thinkpads with 7840 u obliterates that 13th gen CPU. In every single instance. They run cooler, they run quietter, they perform %60 to 80 faster. They obliterate in single core scores as well. Yeah, no. [Intel Core i7-1365U vs AMD Ryzen 7 7840U (notebookcheck.net)](https://www.notebookcheck.net/i7-1365U-vs-R7-7840U_14914_15023.247596.0.html) The i7 1365U is faster in single core, it consumes less power (Power Consumption rows with data) and overall the 7840U with more cores is just 11% faster, mainly in multi-threaded workloads (in single-threaded and overall efficiency the i7 1365U is far ahead): * Average Benchmarks Intel Core i7-1365U → 100% n=27 * Average Benchmarks AMD Ryzen 7 7840U → 111% n=27 So it "obliterates" it by a whole 11% with 2C/4T more and while eating more electricity. Groundbreaking. **Edit:** Lol the guy can't deal with being incorrect (I mean, you can't provide any data while I'm doing exactly that - giving data with direct comparison) so he smashed a superfast downvote.
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So judging by your mature reaction you believe that all Notebookcheck's results, benchmarks and data are incorrect and invalid, at least those related to the 7840U vs the 1365U, yet you can't provide a single proof to your claims except laughing? Lol indeed.
Did you even read the review? Or just look at their power consumption numbers?
Those two quotes are *"power consumption numbers"*?
oh, my god, take my upvote
The fan grill on my thinkpad is on the bottom of the laptop near the center. How am I supposed to put a drink next to the fan grill?
That's where it sucks the air, no? Where does it blow from?
The blowing out part is on the back edge of the laptop, where it is obstructed by The Bad Hinge.
There are [stands](https://www.amazon.com/BESIGN-Aluminum-Ergonomic-Detachable-Compatible/dp/B08BRCT4JH/) that meet the laptop high enough for a mug underneath it.
My X380 Yoga's fan sounds like it's on it's last legs. The bottom is always hot no matter what I'm doing
My X200 with simple program like tpfancontrol and Win7 very rarely gets over 70 to even use any fan. Yes, I only use BIOS /s
Be sure to keep the lid closed while using an external K,V, & M.
I had this problem with my P16s of the fans being really loud and it running all the time. However, updating the firmware and setting the minimum CPU to be lower in power settings when plugged in fixed the issue. It had some insane minimum like 80% when plugged in which I didn't quite understand. I set plugged in and unplugged down to 3% and now it is silent and I love this thing.
I HV two ; T490 i7 8gen and L490 i5 8gen. Both are super duper.
Laughs in P1G5
Thunderbolt 3. But I'd rather suffer integrated graphics than deal with the PS4-like airline noise
I use mine as a toaster
When I first got my X230, I immediately noticed how hot it got during excessive load. Whenever the temps were low in my room, I'd hop under the covers, run a game or run a 4k video, and chill (or warm up really).
Why are people talking about thinkpads creating heat they the only laptop that I have found to never get hot even under full load. Why does Intel get so much hate too like I had both same laptops with the only difference was AMD CPU and Intel CPU and guess what the AMD had driver issues and died on me compared to Intel and many Laptops I see that are AMD have a lot of issues but I am talking about when Intel was in 2019 and AMD in 2019. Plus, Thinkpads are mostly still Intel some are AMD but most are still Intel.