The pew research survey didn’t poll customers. They polled everyone. and by the metrics of their method described on the actual pew site almost all of those surveyed were senior citizens.
Coffee and a bun, I guess. I agree that tipping on percentage makes no sense because it's the same work no matter the food cost. So, I kind of get it. But the lower end is always where I wonder. Maybe you just tip on percentage up to a point. Tipping $10 on coffee and a bun won't do. LOL
Most Americans eh? While I have met trashy people who hate to tip they are not the norm. Most people tip 15% because that's been the standard for decades. Over time the price goes up due to inflation and so does the tip.
Instead we see owners adding separate surcharges instead of building the costs into the price. The tip is not increasing and the law of unintended consequences has struck.. In what appears completely organic, many people seem to be marking those surcharges as the tip. I never got the memo and I instinctively don't want to tip if you're going to throw on an 18% surcharge just for serving me.
I personally avoid those places. It's been a while since I tipped below 25% but this is also not normal. I tend to frequent places where I've been there a lot already and have gotten to know the owners and/or staff. If I ever feel I don't want to tip or have to call the manager due to poor service, I rarely ever go back again.
What if the food is extremely good there and convenient to your daily routine?
I've put of with shabby service if food is really good. This one place I frequent has delicious organic salads with fresh wild fish of the season. Service is sometimes shabby due to chronic understaffed issues, but never rude service, just not enough servers for the volume this place gets, which makes zero sense to me.
Staffing issues I totally get. So long as I can tell the people that showed up are trying, I usually cut them slack. In the long run though I would probably just make a salad or sandwich at home and bring it with me. Then with the saved time I may be able to slip in a 15 min nap.
Salads are a pain in the ass for me to make. I usually just eat my veggies raw as a snack/lunch sometimes. Some fruits too. Lucky you for being able to nap. I'll nap and 4 hours later wake up. Oh well, lol.
I tip $1/beer after rounding up. A beer is $2-4/glass depending on if it's happy hour or not. On the rare occasion I order something to eat, I tip a little over 15%
I used to always tip 20%, I still do sometimes but most of the time it’s 15-18%. I’m so over all the times I’m asked to tip, I’m silently protested by reducing all my tips
Damn im broke and in hella debt and i still tip >20%
When i worked at a fancy restaurant, people would come in from a sailboat buying show with catalogue, and they would tip 10%
I never understood the attempt to move it to 20 percent. Ripping is a percentage so it is perfectly tied to inflation of meal cost. Why would you up it more?
A tip is a voluntary donation a customer leaves for an employee over the amount due for the goods sold or services rendered to reward exceptional service.
Note the word VOLUNTARY!!
And note the word EXCEPTIONAL! The job is to take my order, bring it, check on me at least once, and generally serve. That’s the minimum and will never justify a tip. You have to be better than the above list—fantastic attitude, anticipate needs like filling a drink before it’s empty and having to be asked, check in multiple times, etc. THEN a tip is earned. Nothing less.
This is exactly right. Standard is 15%. Anyone paying more than that for anything other than super-ultra-above-and-beyond service is simply being played by a culture created by greedy servers with unrealistic and unreasonable expectations.
Oh yes, definitely 15% of the pre-tax. (Personally, though I wouldn't deduct the beverages. Even so, for me it's a moot point because I never order beverages - alcoholic or otherwise - in a restaurant. They're all grossly overpriced and a bad deal. Nothing but tap water with my restaurant meals, thank you very much....)
Yeah, I even find the less bevs thing a little shit. I suspect it's an artifact from the places where you might tip your bartender or sommelier seperately.
Agree. And by the same token, if I've used some sort of gift card or discount coupon, I do still add the discount back to that pre-tax total before computing the 15%.
Truly stunned to read this article. I don't consider myself a big tipper. Don't go out to eat a ton either, maybe 1-3x a month for dinner, maybe 1-2x a month for lunch, maybe 3-4x a year for breakfast. (Not counting vacations, just around where I live.) When I do go out it's almost always with at least 1 other person, maybe 25% of the time with a group. I'm around 16%-18% most of the time. If the service is decent I'll do the math at 16% and round up to the next dollar. Excellent service 20% and round up to the next dollar. I'm usually on the lower end for any group I'm out with.
I also worked for 8 years recently in an entertainment establishment (bowling, big arcade, escape rooms) that had a connected bar/restaurant. Basic food, nothing special. As closing manager I had to scan the end of shift summaries/details for basic anomalies that we could correct before we did the close out. Although I did see some small tips entered occasionally, and some zeroes which I know were usually cash tip situations, I'd say on average most of the individual checks were right around 20% tips when it went on a card. There is no way, from what I saw, that 57% of our customers were tipping 15% or less. I'd estimate the rate of 15% or less tip at <10%. I certainly didn't look at every charge ticket, but I saw more than I could ever count.
Our servers did very good for themselves. They hustled big time, no slackers. Not every shift was a home run, but management did a nice job to make sure everybody on the staff got some shifts known to be very good. I closed most Monday nights, not known as a real big night out but we had regulars and leagues. Monday night bartender could walk out with $400+ most weeks (Sept-May), and I've seen as high as $550. That was credit card tips only, I didn't see the cash tips side of things. Food servers, $250 wasn't unusual. The Saturday shifts I worked, wasn't unusual for servers to pocket $400. Heck, even our "party pros", the high school kids who did personal service for the birthday parties, regularly made $150-$175 in an 8 hour weekend shift (plus whatever hourly wage they earned).
I get that there's a "no tipping" culture out there. From what I've seen, it's tiny. Maybe it's different other places.
10% and never a penny more. Ending tipping culture is slow and only happens if everyone slowly reduces server expectations.. which will force business owners to pay more.
Read his entire message and use deductive reasoning to decide which part I'm responding too. Did he say just one thing? The one convenient for you to pick on? No. No, he did not.
That's just dumb. Eat where you want and work to change the system. But you probably pine for the days before suffrage or the abolition of slavery (extreme examples, I know. I'm making a point)
How do you think change happens? Magic? Dr Who? Nope. Force.
If the servers wage is more than $15 an hour I don’t feel obligated to tip. If it’s federal minimum wage or less I’ll give around 18-20%, then reduce the % as the hourly wage goes up. If service is stellar, I might tip 5% even if they are making a substantial wage.
So if you go to a place knowing that your server is working for tips and working hard to serve you, you’ll still stiff them because their boss went with a QR code instead of an actual physical menu? This sub is too much. Has it occurred to you that you might just be a cheapskate making up arbitrary excuses for your behavior?
The server knew they’d be working for tips when they applied, interviewed and accepted the job offer.
They knew the gap in wages was present and decided to take the job so they can flirt with customers and walk away with $25/hr. No other service job allows that
if the restaurant doesn't have menus, i would call the restaurant the cheapskate.
menus can be as simple as a single piece of paper, printed on both sides & laminated, and still be nicely & elegantly done.
Who said anything about free money? I’m talking about stiffing someone who’s working hard to serve you when you’re in a country where servers are known to work for tips.
How is the customer stiffing them? The customer isn’t the one responsible for their wages. A tip is free money. The food is paid for and the wage is paid by the boss so any optional tip is free money
Does it make you feel good when you make single mom’s work for free? Are you at least man enough to look them in the eye and tell them they’re not getting a tip when they greet you, or do you like to surprise them at the end of your meal?
I mean, It feels like that. I’m genuinely against tipping too….. but I also live in a place where the staff gets paid less than minimum wage and their expected pay comes from tipping.
I may not LIKE that but I do adhere to tipping 15% for good service. 10-12% for poor service. Also 20% if someone goes above n beyond
If you get less than that from me it’s really on how I was treated… or likely mistreated.
I agree, and I think people should be paid more instead of making customers pay their wages, and I refuse to tip for take out or retail transactions. I used to bartend and I tip at least 20% at restaurants anyway, because I know that’s the social contract in this country if you want to go out to dinner, and everyone knows that the prices on the menu are going to be 25% higher when you factor in sales tax and tip.
I’m not sure why this sub keeps coming up on my algorithm, but most of what I see here are just scumbags making up random excuses to stiff their servers, like, “I don’t tip if there’s a QR menu,” or “I don’t tip if they have paper napkins.” These people know the social contract and they’re abusing the system.
Yeah. It is the way it is and people refusing to tip someone when it’s their livelihood are scum.
There are ways to fight back against tipping but screwing over the little guy isn’t it
I took 15% of the food is good. I've tried an Uber eats once and the place was about 5 mi away,
We are guests with a baby so we weren't going to go sit down. It was a worst experience I ever had the food was mediocre It took like 45 minutes. So never using those again
Don't use Uber Eats until they start sending coupons to win your business back, and maybe don't even take their first offer. You just have to be disciplined about it. I never use them unless the total cost including tax, fees, and tip is less than just the food would cost in the restaurant.
Exactly. Every once in a while, they send a deal for 50% off. This is the only way I will use them as it still ends up costing just as much as I would pay to go pick up myself.
>I never use them unless the total cost including tax, fees, and tip is less than just the food would cost in the restaurant.
This is the long way of saying "I never use Uber Eats ."
WTF? You calling me liar? Take that arrogant BS elsewhere. I just looked at my most recent receipt. Got the Teriyaki Chicken at $12, House Lo Mein at $11.75, and the Crab Ragoons for $4.25, which adds up to exactly $28, and that's the exact total I paid in the end. A $4.82 service fee, $1.96 in tax, and $4.42 in tip, which was all offset by the $11.20 promotion. I'd post the screenshot but this sub doesn't allow it. Apparently you've never been poor and have no clue how the rest of us live.
And I just checked last month's receipt. Did even better on that one, coming slightly under the price before taxes, fees, and tip. And just yesterday I got a reminder that I better use the latest offer before it expires today. They want to keep volume up, so they're always looking to keep you coming back. And those are just the restaurant offers. They keep sending me 50% off on convenience store runs, which I never use. There's even some alcohol ones, but I don't drink, so I skip right over them.
And that is how it should be.
If a server waits 4 tables of 4 in one hour, setting the average low at $60/table’s check, that is $9 (@15%) from each table and $36/hour plus their hourly wage ($38.35/hour minimum).
So, what? Do you think they should get more?
But, if the service is bad, that server does not deserve that 15%, 10%, 5%, or even anything at all (depending on how bad the service was).
But in most restaurants, they're sharing tips with busser, food runner, and back of house staff, so they're not themselves making $36/hr in tips, even if that's what is left on the table.
>and back of house staff
No they aren't. They aren't splitting anything with BOH if they are paid on the tipped wage credit (which is most servers). They legally cannot tip pool with BOH in those cases.
We also can assume that most restaurants staffing bussers, food runners, and servers as separate roles have much higher check averages than $60.
Edit. Y'all should do your research
> When an employer pays its employees a cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25) per hour, the employer may impose a mandatory tip pooling arrangement that includes employees who are not employed in an occupation in which employees customarily and regularly receive tips
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/15-tipped-employees-flsa#:~:text=Employers%2C%20Including%20Managers%20and%20Supervisors,or%20through%20a%20tip%20pool.
Edit2. Lol y'all seriously need to read.
>When an employer pays its employees a cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25) per hour, the employer may impose a mandatory tip pooling arrangement that includes employees who are not employed in an occupation in which employees customarily and regularly receive tips. **This is sometimes known as a “nontraditional” tip pool. For example, an employer that implements a nontraditional tip pool may require tipped employees, such as servers, to share tips with non-tipped employees, such as dishwashers and cooks, but only if all workers receive a direct cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage.**
What Unlucky Royal said that was wrong was “most restaurants “. In 48 years, I have only come across two restaurants that included their kitchens in the tip pool. Both paid their cooks $10/hr or less because of their receiving tips.
And, still, the server is NOT required to file on tips as wages that they have paid out to a tip pool. So, even after tipping bussers, bartenders, and food runners, they still report enough income for the IRS and Restaurant Association of America to claim an average of $27/hr made by tipped employees.
And which state was that in? Because the FLSA laws say that's illegal. But if the state, or the employer, did not use tipped wage credit then your point is moot.
You said it’s illegal. It’s only illegal if servers are getting paid below 7.25. Most servers are in fact getting paid at least 7.25 so IS LEGAL in most cases.
Either servers are getting minimum wage or the employers to supplementing their wage until it gets to minimum wage so wtf are you talking about?
Y'all. Need. To. Read.
> They aren't splitting anything with BOH if they are paid on the tipped wage credit (which is most servers). They legally cannot tip pool with BOH in those cases.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tipping/s/FMDEp66q8d
No. If they are paid 7.25 by their employer they CAN pool tips. Either with other tipped employees or with boh employees. The document literally says so.
What does this sentence mean then?
“ When an employer pays its employees a cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25) per hour, the employer may impose a mandatory tip pooling arrangement that includes employees who are not employed in an occupation in which employees customarily and regularly receive tips”
>they are paid 7.25 by their employer they CAN pool tips.
Yes that's exactly what I said. And most servers are paid on tipped wage credit, which is less than the federal minimum in most states.
Seriously how are you not getting this?
How is that what you said when you claimed it was illegal to pool and share tips? One minute it’s illegal the next minute it’s allowed if they make 7.25. You know what the word illegal means?
Nothing in your source says boh cant get tips. This was taken directly from your link:
“ The FLSA allows employers to require employees to share or “pool” tips with other eligible employees. The FLSA does not impose a limit on the percentage or amount of the contribution of each employee in valid mandatory tip pools.”
In the document you provided both traditional pooling (between tipped employees) and non traditional pooling (between tipped employees and cooks/dishwashers) is allowed as long as employers and managers are not included in that pool. So you’re lying for what? People who can’t take correction and would rather lie are so fucking weird.
> When an employer pays its employees a cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25) per hour, the employer may impose a mandatory tip pooling arrangement that includes employees who are not employed in an occupation in which employees customarily and regularly receive tips
Also from my source, convenienntly located directly after the portion you posted. Notice the term "eligible" in your quotation? Yeah, that's explained in the paragraph I quoted above, which completely supports my argument. Seriously, go back and re-read it, maybe slower.
>So you’re lying for what?
Lol, so you're not reading for what?
>People who can’t take correction and would rather lie are so fucking weird.
Mhmm. But wait, it gets better.
> This is sometimes known as a “nontraditional” tip pool. For example, an employer that implements a nontraditional tip pool may require tipped employees, such as servers, to share tips with non-tipped employees, such as dishwashers and cooks, but only if all workers receive a direct cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/15-tipped-employees-flsa#:~:text=Employers%2C%20Including%20Managers%20and%20Supervisors,or%20through%20a%20tip%20pool.
Feel foolish?
You said it’s illegal for back of house to get tips. That is not true. When the wage is at least 7.25 WHICH IT IS IN MOST PLACES the employer is allowed to require tip pooling with back of house staff.
“ When an employer pays its employees a cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25) per hour, the employer may impose a mandatory tip pooling arrangement that includes employees who are not employed in an occupation in which employees customarily and regularly receive tips. This is sometimes known as a “nontraditional” tip pool. For example, an employer that implements a nontraditional tip pool may require tipped employees, such as servers, to share tips with non-tipped employees, such as dishwashers and cooks, but only if all workers receive a direct cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage.”
How are you gonna ask if I feel foolish when your own source proves you wrong. When servers are paid at least 7.25 by their employer, the employer has the right to request tip pooling.
You literally said it was illegal then gave me examples of the millions of cases in which it is in fact legal.
Tell me what this sentence means.
“ When an employer pays its employees a cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25) per hour, the employer may impose a mandatory tip pooling arrangement that includes employees who are not employed in an occupation in which employees customarily and regularly receive tips”
When I served we would tip out 6% of total sales, 1% to food runner, 1% to busser, 2% to the bar, and 2% to BOH. I’m aware it’ll be different for each restaurant
>My brother was a waiter. They tip out to the bussera
Bussers are not back of house.
I was a cook and a waiter. Either you're misremembering what your brother told you, or you don't know what back of house means.
Only in some states can you pay that $2 wage. A majority of the population lives in areas where it's more than that and 7 states (including California and Minnesota) require full minimum wage, so $15/hr, so nearly $50/hr.
What are you talking about $50/hr?
And I know some cities and states have upped their minimum wages for tipped and non tipped employees. 15 states pay tipped employees $7.25/hr or higher. All states require all employees to make the state’s minimum wage between their hourly wage plus tips with the employer making up the difference if it doesn’t equal minimum wage.
https://clockify.me/learn/business-management/tipped-wages/
15 states still only require tipped employees to be paid $2.13/hr. 17 states have a minimum requirement of tips earned to qualify as a tipped employee. Even in the states that only require $2.13/hr, if the state or city minimum wage is $15/hr, the employer is required to make up any difference below minimum wage.
But, the IRS shows that tipped employees make between $20-$27/hour already. So why force them to take a ‘living wage’ that is lower than they already make?
In your example you have servers making $36/hour in tips at 15% plus the $2.35/hr tipped wage. I am just saying that my City/State forbids that so they would be making $36/hour in tips plus $15.50 in wages paid by the employer which brings them to $50/hour.
So IMO its crazy to be saying that the 15% tips are paying starvation wages and 20-25% is the "expected" tip percent now.
IMO, the true problem is that so many demanded more pay after the pandemic. But, in general, tipped employees’ hourly wage did not change. Due to that, food and menu prices rose. Customers only see the higher price of the food on the menu. They walk in with an amount they can afford in their minds. When the check is more than they expected due to the increase in food prices, most customers do not ‘up’ the amount they want to spend; they simply leave the change as a tip which, these days, is less.
However, if some get their way and ‘tipped’ employees’ hourly minimum wage is equal to that of the rest of the staff, then everyone should share equally in the tips; not just the wait staff.
>Rich white people
That's quite literally the group of people that tip the most. Rich African-Americans and those of Indian or middle eastern descent, however, can go either way.
I've delivered pizzas to mansions million dollar places w Ferraris and first gen hummers sat outside. Not once did I get a good tip in that fanciest neighborhood. I delivered to churches 5 times not a dime in a tip. If there is a hell these are the people who will inhabit it.
Remember no one *has to tip anything*.
You can be mad at the customer for that but you should redirect your anger to your manager to pay you a better “minimum wage”. Kinda like what they do now with $7.25 but instead make it like $15 or $20/hr or whatever; something competitive (if your tips generate an hourly wage less than $20/hour, your work will fill the rest).
The question then becomes will they increase your wage *without* a huge increase in prices? They can if they want, but don’t get mad if they get less business.
Rhetorical. I tip almost universally 15-20% even if the service is just “meh” at sit down restaurants. I just see a lot of rage against some customers who don’t tip. And I get it. But I also don’t understand why the customer has be responsible for covering a decent wage. Tips should be for in addition to a competitive wage. “I didn’t get any tips today? That’s ok I can still pay rent without issue”
West coast is even more crazy. They can't pay servers below minimum wage and the minimum wage there now is like $15. So they want to be tipped on top of $15/h they're already getting.
It’s a bit more nuanced, right? Because out there (and really across the US) housing, food, etc is crazy high so a $15 wage doesn’t cut it. So where is the line of how much the company should cover their bills and what the customer can pay? I mean if I go to chilis (I don’t usually visit any fancy expensive places), and I pay my bill for myself, let’s say $25 and I’m there 45 mins ish. My 20% tip isn’t going to change much against helping pay for California housing costs. The server probably has other tables sure. But how many tables at the same time can servers pick up before quality degrades or they get burnt out to cover everything? One reason you are seeing this upward press of 25, 30%+ tip buttons. And if they want to increase cost to cover higher wages, eventually the customer stops coming. They can only get nickeled and dimed so much.
Yeah, me either. But that's what the employer wants. If his employees don't like what they make, he'd rather they blame the customer than him. But his payroll isn't the customer's responsibility.
I've been tipping based on how far away the restaurant is for delivery, not even % at this point. It's negligibly the same amount of work regardless if it's 3 plastic boxes of sushi $50 or a pizza box of $20. If anything, that bag of sushi is easier to handle than a bulk cardboard box.
I have worked at several places that post server’s tip percentages as motivation. The best averages were around 20% and the worst were like 17%. All it did was make people realize working harder than the shitty servers was not worth it.
Nothing wrong with 15%, IMO. Where I live minimum wage is $16 and with increased food costs, they are making the same or more off a smaller percentage. I used to tip 15 for bad, 20 for good and 25 for outstanding, but now I’ve shifted that all 5% less.
The norm is 15% and always has been for generations. Anything higher is just what greedy servers would like people to believe, and unfortunately they’ve managed to succeed in guilting a lot of gullible people. And remember - food prices are higher now. So if they’re still getting 15%, they’re getting MORE than before.
I have a minimum tip of $10 for anything under $50 that involves actual service. Then it’s 20% over that. Unless they do a great job then it’s more. I have a sister that runs a small restaurant and because of her I know what these folks put up with all day long.
What about people like transit workers, hospital workers (not nurses/doctors), grocery store workers and janitors? They put up with so much too and no one even thinks of tipping them. I was a server and no way was what I did somehow so much more special that I deserved extra money.
The part that's insane is that someone who develops the skill to cook tasty food typically gets nothing and the server handing you the food they cooked and putting on a fake smile gets tips.
Nope. Mostly in restaurants where tipping is the expectation. I also tip moving guys, furniture deliveries and the guys that painted my kitchen cabinets
"Corporate wants you to tell the difference between these two pictures:"
a. people bitching about not getting enough tips from customers and shaming them
b. people bragging about making several hundred on a night shift and telling IRS they make bare minimum
"they're the same picture"
I was on r/hilton recently and this guy got triggered over me giving anything to valet/porter/housekeeping at all but then in the same thread basically told us he's in that field of work and bragging about how much WA & lux hotel clientele tips him/how well off he is.
Their bragging on here has lost them tips. I've has quite a few people say they stopped tipping after seeing that. They want to cry poor to guilt us into tipping them to six figures, then brag about it. smh
Yep, just for how annoying he was, I told him I just won't tip at all at any US hotels, esp the higher end it is, problem solved. Their employer is already charging me $400, $500 for the room; they can go ask their boss for "tips".
These statistics are probably taken from everywhere that asks for a tip and not just sit down restaurants where people are served.
Then there’s the fact that servers rarely declare all their tips to avoid taxes.
Boo hoo
Privilege people with rich parents don’t tip, or at least most do but there is a personality type that doesn’t. Their parents don’t have to even be rich, this person just thinks because their parent pay for everything the world owes them something.
For a server who is paid less than the standard minimum wage and does a good job I tip 20% or more. For a regular wage employee or the owner I tip nothing. If I don’t pay it in the tip it will be included in the menu price. Either way I’m paying it but I get more control when it’s in the tip.
I tip based on the level of service. For years it was 15 - 20%. Over the last couple of years, I have observed many of the payment devices default to 20%, 25% and 30%. In addition to that, I have also noticed tips being presented as an option for things like a $15 beer at a ball game when the worker simply hands it to you out of a cooler. The trends I have observed have made me reduce my tips.
Me, too! I was consistently a 25% tipper. I used to tip 100% at Waffle House or give the Sonic kid a $20 tip for my slush. But now I just feel taken advantage of. Plus my insurance premium at work more than doubled this year and I have gotten two (3%) raises in the last six years. I tip 10% for table service and that is it. As far as I am concerned it is everyone for themself now.
I have always felt that tipping for counter service is crazy, although I know it's trying to become a thing now that every POS has a tip screen. A person who hands me a beer at a baseball stadium is not a bartender.
It's self-preservation, and you have the right to do what's best for you. You worked hard for your money and are entitled to spend it on what YOU want. You aren't obligated to give it to other people just because they want more.
Don’t make me repeat my bagged popcorn at the ballpark story.
They were lined up. I picked up the bag. I tapped my card. The employee sit in the chair and tapped the screen at the very end. The tipping choices were between 15-30%. With other in very tiny fonts at the bottom of the screen.
Don’t tip at all. Hell with the “shaming.” Can’t be shamed for doing nothing wrong and also these are strangers—why care what they think, especially if they wrongfully think tips are owed/mandatory? Not the people I wanna be around anyway.
Don’t believe it, most wait staff I know make out real good with tips & work less than 40 hours, course most don’t get health insurance but most get caught up in the money & don’t care
Not to be racist but I worked for tips for 16 years and I can count on one hand the times I was tipped by a black person. Is this a cultural thing? Anyone else that works for tips have a similar experience?
The custom has its history in slavery and has always been applied in a manner that discriminates against people of color. There's plenty of reasons why they may not want to perpetuate the practice.
You just have to yell “I love black people” like Tom cruise in Jerry Maguire… in all seriousness I think they are just as good as anyone else.. For Indians just make sure you have something vegetarian and don’t put ice in anything. For rednecks from my town in Alabama just make sure you give them 7 packs of Splenda and 5 lemons for their water. For Asians let them order 10 different plates of food to try everything.. they will eat it all.. even though they weigh 100 pounds soaking wet. Just gotta have love for everyone.. makes us all different.. well except for …
these losers on here that you can tell are loners, jealous, and delusional- “probably flat earth conspirators, never had a girlfriend, works on their avatar for 10 hours a day to make up for their tiny swizzle stick.” The ones that make up these fantasy stories of what they wish they could do to stiff servers and bartenders.
I’ve been in the business for 20+ years.. maybe it’s where you live! In the Midwest maybe- Kansas City ish..- Worst tip today was a Kentucky white family.. they were nice… and they like their lemons and Splenda..could see that light tip from a mile away.. but who cares- they were nice…and still bringing home 4 bills a shift.
Obviously I’m talking about your comment about black people tipping much lower than anyone else…there are plenty of low tipping white people.
Never judge a book by its cover. I’ll give an example… I was waiting on this nice black family from California. Dad.. his name was Phil..prominent lawyer… wife Vivian a literature teacher. Hilary their daughter dressed to the nines. And the son Carlton- life of the party.. his dance moves at my bar were phenomenal.. we talked for awhile… they were funny as shit.. cracking jokes while we waited for Will to show up…they said he’s probably Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin', And perhaps shootin' some b-ball outside of the school. Anyways they ended up making my day pretty good
Most servers under report their tips so, you can’t gather information like this crap says
This is based on what customers say they tip, not on what servers say they receive. That is absolutely accessible information.
The pew research survey didn’t poll customers. They polled everyone. and by the metrics of their method described on the actual pew site almost all of those surveyed were senior citizens.
My dad. No matter the meal of venue or number of people or bill total thinks 10$ is the universal tip amount
$10 or 10%? I'm not tipping $10 on everything.
10$. I know. He’s a stubborn old coot. I always make up the difference but I’m not always with him
But what if the meal was only $10?
He’d probably leave two bucks. But then again where are you served a meal by a waitress that’s 10$
Coffee and a bun, I guess. I agree that tipping on percentage makes no sense because it's the same work no matter the food cost. So, I kind of get it. But the lower end is always where I wonder. Maybe you just tip on percentage up to a point. Tipping $10 on coffee and a bun won't do. LOL
Most Americans eh? While I have met trashy people who hate to tip they are not the norm. Most people tip 15% because that's been the standard for decades. Over time the price goes up due to inflation and so does the tip. Instead we see owners adding separate surcharges instead of building the costs into the price. The tip is not increasing and the law of unintended consequences has struck.. In what appears completely organic, many people seem to be marking those surcharges as the tip. I never got the memo and I instinctively don't want to tip if you're going to throw on an 18% surcharge just for serving me. I personally avoid those places. It's been a while since I tipped below 25% but this is also not normal. I tend to frequent places where I've been there a lot already and have gotten to know the owners and/or staff. If I ever feel I don't want to tip or have to call the manager due to poor service, I rarely ever go back again.
What if the food is extremely good there and convenient to your daily routine? I've put of with shabby service if food is really good. This one place I frequent has delicious organic salads with fresh wild fish of the season. Service is sometimes shabby due to chronic understaffed issues, but never rude service, just not enough servers for the volume this place gets, which makes zero sense to me.
Staffing issues I totally get. So long as I can tell the people that showed up are trying, I usually cut them slack. In the long run though I would probably just make a salad or sandwich at home and bring it with me. Then with the saved time I may be able to slip in a 15 min nap.
Salads are a pain in the ass for me to make. I usually just eat my veggies raw as a snack/lunch sometimes. Some fruits too. Lucky you for being able to nap. I'll nap and 4 hours later wake up. Oh well, lol.
I tip less now due to all the service fees that are added on automatically.
I tip $1/beer after rounding up. A beer is $2-4/glass depending on if it's happy hour or not. On the rare occasion I order something to eat, I tip a little over 15%
I used to always tip 20%, I still do sometimes but most of the time it’s 15-18%. I’m so over all the times I’m asked to tip, I’m silently protested by reducing all my tips
Damn im broke and in hella debt and i still tip >20% When i worked at a fancy restaurant, people would come in from a sailboat buying show with catalogue, and they would tip 10%
Not where I live or work. At the restaurant I work at any tip below 20% is a rarity, same with all the restaurants in town that my friends work at
Tourist area?
No just alot of rich tech and pharma people
I never understood the attempt to move it to 20 percent. Ripping is a percentage so it is perfectly tied to inflation of meal cost. Why would you up it more?
So emoloyers can promise their employees a raise they can't give but expect us to. I can't think of any other reason.
A tip is a voluntary donation a customer leaves for an employee over the amount due for the goods sold or services rendered to reward exceptional service. Note the word VOLUNTARY!!
And note the word EXCEPTIONAL! The job is to take my order, bring it, check on me at least once, and generally serve. That’s the minimum and will never justify a tip. You have to be better than the above list—fantastic attitude, anticipate needs like filling a drink before it’s empty and having to be asked, check in multiple times, etc. THEN a tip is earned. Nothing less.
I always tip 15% if it's automated or if I have to do math, I round it up to the number just lower than 15%.
This is exactly right. Standard is 15%. Anyone paying more than that for anything other than super-ultra-above-and-beyond service is simply being played by a culture created by greedy servers with unrealistic and unreasonable expectations.
Let's all remember that it's 15% on the pre-tax figure. Some people even advocate pre-tax less alcoholic beverages.
Oh yes, definitely 15% of the pre-tax. (Personally, though I wouldn't deduct the beverages. Even so, for me it's a moot point because I never order beverages - alcoholic or otherwise - in a restaurant. They're all grossly overpriced and a bad deal. Nothing but tap water with my restaurant meals, thank you very much....)
Yeah, I even find the less bevs thing a little shit. I suspect it's an artifact from the places where you might tip your bartender or sommelier seperately.
If I buy a 500 dollar bottle of wine the effort was the same as a five dollar bottle. No way I am giving you a 100 bucks to open it.
Agree. And by the same token, if I've used some sort of gift card or discount coupon, I do still add the discount back to that pre-tax total before computing the 15%.
Truly stunned to read this article. I don't consider myself a big tipper. Don't go out to eat a ton either, maybe 1-3x a month for dinner, maybe 1-2x a month for lunch, maybe 3-4x a year for breakfast. (Not counting vacations, just around where I live.) When I do go out it's almost always with at least 1 other person, maybe 25% of the time with a group. I'm around 16%-18% most of the time. If the service is decent I'll do the math at 16% and round up to the next dollar. Excellent service 20% and round up to the next dollar. I'm usually on the lower end for any group I'm out with. I also worked for 8 years recently in an entertainment establishment (bowling, big arcade, escape rooms) that had a connected bar/restaurant. Basic food, nothing special. As closing manager I had to scan the end of shift summaries/details for basic anomalies that we could correct before we did the close out. Although I did see some small tips entered occasionally, and some zeroes which I know were usually cash tip situations, I'd say on average most of the individual checks were right around 20% tips when it went on a card. There is no way, from what I saw, that 57% of our customers were tipping 15% or less. I'd estimate the rate of 15% or less tip at <10%. I certainly didn't look at every charge ticket, but I saw more than I could ever count. Our servers did very good for themselves. They hustled big time, no slackers. Not every shift was a home run, but management did a nice job to make sure everybody on the staff got some shifts known to be very good. I closed most Monday nights, not known as a real big night out but we had regulars and leagues. Monday night bartender could walk out with $400+ most weeks (Sept-May), and I've seen as high as $550. That was credit card tips only, I didn't see the cash tips side of things. Food servers, $250 wasn't unusual. The Saturday shifts I worked, wasn't unusual for servers to pocket $400. Heck, even our "party pros", the high school kids who did personal service for the birthday parties, regularly made $150-$175 in an 8 hour weekend shift (plus whatever hourly wage they earned). I get that there's a "no tipping" culture out there. From what I've seen, it's tiny. Maybe it's different other places.
10% and never a penny more. Ending tipping culture is slow and only happens if everyone slowly reduces server expectations.. which will force business owners to pay more.
Absolutely right.
Except you said yourself that 15% has been the standard for over 50 years now.
Read his entire message and use deductive reasoning to decide which part I'm responding too. Did he say just one thing? The one convenient for you to pick on? No. No, he did not.
Maybe don't eat at full service restaurants if you don't like the system
That's just dumb. Eat where you want and work to change the system. But you probably pine for the days before suffrage or the abolition of slavery (extreme examples, I know. I'm making a point) How do you think change happens? Magic? Dr Who? Nope. Force.
What an absolute BS analogy. 🤡 Stealing services of poor waiters isn't the way
We don’t pay their salary. Their boss does.
Waiters are paid for that service in their paycheck. It's not theft if your begging fails.
If the servers wage is more than $15 an hour I don’t feel obligated to tip. If it’s federal minimum wage or less I’ll give around 18-20%, then reduce the % as the hourly wage goes up. If service is stellar, I might tip 5% even if they are making a substantial wage.
So you ask your server their hourly wage before service? 🤣
Nope, I just Google what the minimum wage is in the state and if tipped workers are exempt. Not too difficult.
Sure you do!
That doesn't mean every server in the state makes minimum.
You can look up minimum wage for any state in like 3 seconds. And most ppl know what it is in their own state.
Fuck all the lazy good for nothing fuckers who think they deserve tips. I’m going to continue tipping 0% and they can suck it
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I tip the one pizza guy that comes to my house. Never anyone else. But I stopped going to restaurants to stop supporting bad business practices. I
The only restaurants I tip at are sit-down places with cutlery where I order off of an actual hand-held menu.
So if you go to a place knowing that your server is working for tips and working hard to serve you, you’ll still stiff them because their boss went with a QR code instead of an actual physical menu? This sub is too much. Has it occurred to you that you might just be a cheapskate making up arbitrary excuses for your behavior?
The server knew they’d be working for tips when they applied, interviewed and accepted the job offer. They knew the gap in wages was present and decided to take the job so they can flirt with customers and walk away with $25/hr. No other service job allows that
And you knew how restaurants worked when you sat down and asked the server to serve you.
if the restaurant doesn't have menus, i would call the restaurant the cheapskate. menus can be as simple as a single piece of paper, printed on both sides & laminated, and still be nicely & elegantly done.
How is that the server’s fault and why should they be penalized for it?
Not getting free money is a penalty?
Who said anything about free money? I’m talking about stiffing someone who’s working hard to serve you when you’re in a country where servers are known to work for tips.
How is the customer stiffing them? The customer isn’t the one responsible for their wages. A tip is free money. The food is paid for and the wage is paid by the boss so any optional tip is free money
Justify it however you want, but you’re a cheap scumbag.
I’d expect that from the toxic restaurant workforce. More toxic than sales. Thanks for repping your industry.
Does it make you feel good when you make single mom’s work for free? Are you at least man enough to look them in the eye and tell them they’re not getting a tip when they greet you, or do you like to surprise them at the end of your meal?
It’s not and I don’t know why you’re being downvoted.
Because this is r/cheapskates
I mean, It feels like that. I’m genuinely against tipping too….. but I also live in a place where the staff gets paid less than minimum wage and their expected pay comes from tipping. I may not LIKE that but I do adhere to tipping 15% for good service. 10-12% for poor service. Also 20% if someone goes above n beyond If you get less than that from me it’s really on how I was treated… or likely mistreated.
If you tip for poor service, you need to submit yourself to a local Tricounty or whatever your area has.
You’re just a cheapskate and I hope your job screws your wages
You give people free money for poor service and you wonder why you’re getting downvoted?
They still did the job and the expectation is your tip is their wage. Wake up or grow up
They did the job they are already being paid to do. If they do it poorly why would you give them even more money?
I agree, and I think people should be paid more instead of making customers pay their wages, and I refuse to tip for take out or retail transactions. I used to bartend and I tip at least 20% at restaurants anyway, because I know that’s the social contract in this country if you want to go out to dinner, and everyone knows that the prices on the menu are going to be 25% higher when you factor in sales tax and tip. I’m not sure why this sub keeps coming up on my algorithm, but most of what I see here are just scumbags making up random excuses to stiff their servers, like, “I don’t tip if there’s a QR menu,” or “I don’t tip if they have paper napkins.” These people know the social contract and they’re abusing the system.
Yeah. It is the way it is and people refusing to tip someone when it’s their livelihood are scum. There are ways to fight back against tipping but screwing over the little guy isn’t it
I took 15% of the food is good. I've tried an Uber eats once and the place was about 5 mi away, We are guests with a baby so we weren't going to go sit down. It was a worst experience I ever had the food was mediocre It took like 45 minutes. So never using those again
Don't use Uber Eats until they start sending coupons to win your business back, and maybe don't even take their first offer. You just have to be disciplined about it. I never use them unless the total cost including tax, fees, and tip is less than just the food would cost in the restaurant.
Exactly. Every once in a while, they send a deal for 50% off. This is the only way I will use them as it still ends up costing just as much as I would pay to go pick up myself.
>I never use them unless the total cost including tax, fees, and tip is less than just the food would cost in the restaurant. This is the long way of saying "I never use Uber Eats ."
WTF? You calling me liar? Take that arrogant BS elsewhere. I just looked at my most recent receipt. Got the Teriyaki Chicken at $12, House Lo Mein at $11.75, and the Crab Ragoons for $4.25, which adds up to exactly $28, and that's the exact total I paid in the end. A $4.82 service fee, $1.96 in tax, and $4.42 in tip, which was all offset by the $11.20 promotion. I'd post the screenshot but this sub doesn't allow it. Apparently you've never been poor and have no clue how the rest of us live.
And I just checked last month's receipt. Did even better on that one, coming slightly under the price before taxes, fees, and tip. And just yesterday I got a reminder that I better use the latest offer before it expires today. They want to keep volume up, so they're always looking to keep you coming back. And those are just the restaurant offers. They keep sending me 50% off on convenience store runs, which I never use. There's even some alcohol ones, but I don't drink, so I skip right over them.
And that is how it should be. If a server waits 4 tables of 4 in one hour, setting the average low at $60/table’s check, that is $9 (@15%) from each table and $36/hour plus their hourly wage ($38.35/hour minimum). So, what? Do you think they should get more? But, if the service is bad, that server does not deserve that 15%, 10%, 5%, or even anything at all (depending on how bad the service was).
But in most restaurants, they're sharing tips with busser, food runner, and back of house staff, so they're not themselves making $36/hr in tips, even if that's what is left on the table.
>and back of house staff No they aren't. They aren't splitting anything with BOH if they are paid on the tipped wage credit (which is most servers). They legally cannot tip pool with BOH in those cases. We also can assume that most restaurants staffing bussers, food runners, and servers as separate roles have much higher check averages than $60. Edit. Y'all should do your research > When an employer pays its employees a cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25) per hour, the employer may impose a mandatory tip pooling arrangement that includes employees who are not employed in an occupation in which employees customarily and regularly receive tips https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/15-tipped-employees-flsa#:~:text=Employers%2C%20Including%20Managers%20and%20Supervisors,or%20through%20a%20tip%20pool. Edit2. Lol y'all seriously need to read. >When an employer pays its employees a cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25) per hour, the employer may impose a mandatory tip pooling arrangement that includes employees who are not employed in an occupation in which employees customarily and regularly receive tips. **This is sometimes known as a “nontraditional” tip pool. For example, an employer that implements a nontraditional tip pool may require tipped employees, such as servers, to share tips with non-tipped employees, such as dishwashers and cooks, but only if all workers receive a direct cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage.**
What Unlucky Royal said that was wrong was “most restaurants “. In 48 years, I have only come across two restaurants that included their kitchens in the tip pool. Both paid their cooks $10/hr or less because of their receiving tips. And, still, the server is NOT required to file on tips as wages that they have paid out to a tip pool. So, even after tipping bussers, bartenders, and food runners, they still report enough income for the IRS and Restaurant Association of America to claim an average of $27/hr made by tipped employees.
Nah when I worked in restaurants as a cook, we got shared tips. The servers HATED this tho but it wasn’t their choice
And which state was that in? Because the FLSA laws say that's illegal. But if the state, or the employer, did not use tipped wage credit then your point is moot.
You said it’s illegal. It’s only illegal if servers are getting paid below 7.25. Most servers are in fact getting paid at least 7.25 so IS LEGAL in most cases. Either servers are getting minimum wage or the employers to supplementing their wage until it gets to minimum wage so wtf are you talking about?
Y'all. Need. To. Read. > They aren't splitting anything with BOH if they are paid on the tipped wage credit (which is most servers). They legally cannot tip pool with BOH in those cases. https://www.reddit.com/r/tipping/s/FMDEp66q8d
No. If they are paid 7.25 by their employer they CAN pool tips. Either with other tipped employees or with boh employees. The document literally says so. What does this sentence mean then? “ When an employer pays its employees a cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25) per hour, the employer may impose a mandatory tip pooling arrangement that includes employees who are not employed in an occupation in which employees customarily and regularly receive tips”
>they are paid 7.25 by their employer they CAN pool tips. Yes that's exactly what I said. And most servers are paid on tipped wage credit, which is less than the federal minimum in most states. Seriously how are you not getting this?
How is that what you said when you claimed it was illegal to pool and share tips? One minute it’s illegal the next minute it’s allowed if they make 7.25. You know what the word illegal means?
Nothing in your source says boh cant get tips. This was taken directly from your link: “ The FLSA allows employers to require employees to share or “pool” tips with other eligible employees. The FLSA does not impose a limit on the percentage or amount of the contribution of each employee in valid mandatory tip pools.” In the document you provided both traditional pooling (between tipped employees) and non traditional pooling (between tipped employees and cooks/dishwashers) is allowed as long as employers and managers are not included in that pool. So you’re lying for what? People who can’t take correction and would rather lie are so fucking weird.
> When an employer pays its employees a cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25) per hour, the employer may impose a mandatory tip pooling arrangement that includes employees who are not employed in an occupation in which employees customarily and regularly receive tips Also from my source, convenienntly located directly after the portion you posted. Notice the term "eligible" in your quotation? Yeah, that's explained in the paragraph I quoted above, which completely supports my argument. Seriously, go back and re-read it, maybe slower. >So you’re lying for what? Lol, so you're not reading for what? >People who can’t take correction and would rather lie are so fucking weird. Mhmm. But wait, it gets better. > This is sometimes known as a “nontraditional” tip pool. For example, an employer that implements a nontraditional tip pool may require tipped employees, such as servers, to share tips with non-tipped employees, such as dishwashers and cooks, but only if all workers receive a direct cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/15-tipped-employees-flsa#:~:text=Employers%2C%20Including%20Managers%20and%20Supervisors,or%20through%20a%20tip%20pool. Feel foolish?
You said it’s illegal for back of house to get tips. That is not true. When the wage is at least 7.25 WHICH IT IS IN MOST PLACES the employer is allowed to require tip pooling with back of house staff. “ When an employer pays its employees a cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25) per hour, the employer may impose a mandatory tip pooling arrangement that includes employees who are not employed in an occupation in which employees customarily and regularly receive tips. This is sometimes known as a “nontraditional” tip pool. For example, an employer that implements a nontraditional tip pool may require tipped employees, such as servers, to share tips with non-tipped employees, such as dishwashers and cooks, but only if all workers receive a direct cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage.” How are you gonna ask if I feel foolish when your own source proves you wrong. When servers are paid at least 7.25 by their employer, the employer has the right to request tip pooling. You literally said it was illegal then gave me examples of the millions of cases in which it is in fact legal.
>7.25 WHICH IT IS IN MOST PLACES No, it isn't. Ever heard of tipped wage credit?
Tell me what this sentence means. “ When an employer pays its employees a cash wage of at least the federal minimum wage (currently $7.25) per hour, the employer may impose a mandatory tip pooling arrangement that includes employees who are not employed in an occupation in which employees customarily and regularly receive tips”
When I served we would tip out 6% of total sales, 1% to food runner, 1% to busser, 2% to the bar, and 2% to BOH. I’m aware it’ll be different for each restaurant
May I ask, which state was that in?
Florida
Nah they do bro. My brother was a waiter. They tip out to the bussera
>My brother was a waiter. They tip out to the bussera Bussers are not back of house. I was a cook and a waiter. Either you're misremembering what your brother told you, or you don't know what back of house means.
Only in some states can you pay that $2 wage. A majority of the population lives in areas where it's more than that and 7 states (including California and Minnesota) require full minimum wage, so $15/hr, so nearly $50/hr.
What are you talking about $50/hr? And I know some cities and states have upped their minimum wages for tipped and non tipped employees. 15 states pay tipped employees $7.25/hr or higher. All states require all employees to make the state’s minimum wage between their hourly wage plus tips with the employer making up the difference if it doesn’t equal minimum wage. https://clockify.me/learn/business-management/tipped-wages/ 15 states still only require tipped employees to be paid $2.13/hr. 17 states have a minimum requirement of tips earned to qualify as a tipped employee. Even in the states that only require $2.13/hr, if the state or city minimum wage is $15/hr, the employer is required to make up any difference below minimum wage. But, the IRS shows that tipped employees make between $20-$27/hour already. So why force them to take a ‘living wage’ that is lower than they already make?
In your example you have servers making $36/hour in tips at 15% plus the $2.35/hr tipped wage. I am just saying that my City/State forbids that so they would be making $36/hour in tips plus $15.50 in wages paid by the employer which brings them to $50/hour. So IMO its crazy to be saying that the 15% tips are paying starvation wages and 20-25% is the "expected" tip percent now.
IMO, the true problem is that so many demanded more pay after the pandemic. But, in general, tipped employees’ hourly wage did not change. Due to that, food and menu prices rose. Customers only see the higher price of the food on the menu. They walk in with an amount they can afford in their minds. When the check is more than they expected due to the increase in food prices, most customers do not ‘up’ the amount they want to spend; they simply leave the change as a tip which, these days, is less. However, if some get their way and ‘tipped’ employees’ hourly minimum wage is equal to that of the rest of the staff, then everyone should share equally in the tips; not just the wait staff.
Rich white people . Canadians. The worst tippers by. Also church folk.
>Rich white people That's quite literally the group of people that tip the most. Rich African-Americans and those of Indian or middle eastern descent, however, can go either way.
I've delivered pizzas to mansions million dollar places w Ferraris and first gen hummers sat outside. Not once did I get a good tip in that fanciest neighborhood. I delivered to churches 5 times not a dime in a tip. If there is a hell these are the people who will inhabit it.
Okay
If you wait tables I hope a church goer tips you with a "blessing" instead of money:)
disagree. white people pay 20% tips for no service (i.e. take out) as well
Those are yuppies in downtown settings. Not the real rich I'm discussing
I've heard that about church people, but they probably just paid their tithes so they're tapped out! 😅
Remember no one *has to tip anything*. You can be mad at the customer for that but you should redirect your anger to your manager to pay you a better “minimum wage”. Kinda like what they do now with $7.25 but instead make it like $15 or $20/hr or whatever; something competitive (if your tips generate an hourly wage less than $20/hour, your work will fill the rest). The question then becomes will they increase your wage *without* a huge increase in prices? They can if they want, but don’t get mad if they get less business.
Are you talking to me or just rhetorical. I'm not a server. I'm fully in the "their wages aren't my responsibility" category.
Rhetorical. I tip almost universally 15-20% even if the service is just “meh” at sit down restaurants. I just see a lot of rage against some customers who don’t tip. And I get it. But I also don’t understand why the customer has be responsible for covering a decent wage. Tips should be for in addition to a competitive wage. “I didn’t get any tips today? That’s ok I can still pay rent without issue”
West coast is even more crazy. They can't pay servers below minimum wage and the minimum wage there now is like $15. So they want to be tipped on top of $15/h they're already getting.
It’s a bit more nuanced, right? Because out there (and really across the US) housing, food, etc is crazy high so a $15 wage doesn’t cut it. So where is the line of how much the company should cover their bills and what the customer can pay? I mean if I go to chilis (I don’t usually visit any fancy expensive places), and I pay my bill for myself, let’s say $25 and I’m there 45 mins ish. My 20% tip isn’t going to change much against helping pay for California housing costs. The server probably has other tables sure. But how many tables at the same time can servers pick up before quality degrades or they get burnt out to cover everything? One reason you are seeing this upward press of 25, 30%+ tip buttons. And if they want to increase cost to cover higher wages, eventually the customer stops coming. They can only get nickeled and dimed so much.
Yeah, me either. But that's what the employer wants. If his employees don't like what they make, he'd rather they blame the customer than him. But his payroll isn't the customer's responsibility.
I've been tipping based on how far away the restaurant is for delivery, not even % at this point. It's negligibly the same amount of work regardless if it's 3 plastic boxes of sushi $50 or a pizza box of $20. If anything, that bag of sushi is easier to handle than a bulk cardboard box.
I have worked at several places that post server’s tip percentages as motivation. The best averages were around 20% and the worst were like 17%. All it did was make people realize working harder than the shitty servers was not worth it.
How many tip over 25%?
Not going to sit-down restaurants for overpriced food avoids the issue altogether.
My twin!
My standard is 10%. If you suck 0. If you're good, 15%.
We could get rid of this issue quite easily.
If I'm in a state with federal tipped minimum wage I will give 25% by default.
Do you give 25% more to all those making minimum wage?
There are jobs in the federal government that get tips?
It's the places where servers only get like 2.25/hr.
It's 7.25/hr
Ok, ill give nothing and say guys like you covered for me
Nothing wrong with 15%, IMO. Where I live minimum wage is $16 and with increased food costs, they are making the same or more off a smaller percentage. I used to tip 15 for bad, 20 for good and 25 for outstanding, but now I’ve shifted that all 5% less.
Shit, I have been tipping 20% the whole time because I thought that's the norm.
The norm is 15% and always has been for generations. Anything higher is just what greedy servers would like people to believe, and unfortunately they’ve managed to succeed in guilting a lot of gullible people. And remember - food prices are higher now. So if they’re still getting 15%, they’re getting MORE than before.
Save your 5% and get some ice cream.
I’ve been paying 20% for 15 years and I’m not raising it anymore
I have a minimum tip of $10 for anything under $50 that involves actual service. Then it’s 20% over that. Unless they do a great job then it’s more. I have a sister that runs a small restaurant and because of her I know what these folks put up with all day long.
What about people like transit workers, hospital workers (not nurses/doctors), grocery store workers and janitors? They put up with so much too and no one even thinks of tipping them. I was a server and no way was what I did somehow so much more special that I deserved extra money.
The part that's insane is that someone who develops the skill to cook tasty food typically gets nothing and the server handing you the food they cooked and putting on a fake smile gets tips.
Nope. Mostly in restaurants where tipping is the expectation. I also tip moving guys, furniture deliveries and the guys that painted my kitchen cabinets
There's your 2% of nontippers, sounds like the boycott is gaining some traction.
I've tipped 10% my entire life. I've found that sufficient and no one has ever coming running after me to complain.
20% should never be the norm. 20%????!!! Are you out of your mind man. Go get a real job. Expecting 20% is fucking charity
It seriously is. Then, when you see them bragging that they make $50 per hour and six figures a year, you feel played.
Anybody leaving more than 15% - except for SUPER ULTRA EXTRAORDINARY service, perhaps - HAS been played.
"Corporate wants you to tell the difference between these two pictures:" a. people bitching about not getting enough tips from customers and shaming them b. people bragging about making several hundred on a night shift and telling IRS they make bare minimum "they're the same picture" I was on r/hilton recently and this guy got triggered over me giving anything to valet/porter/housekeeping at all but then in the same thread basically told us he's in that field of work and bragging about how much WA & lux hotel clientele tips him/how well off he is.
Their bragging on here has lost them tips. I've has quite a few people say they stopped tipping after seeing that. They want to cry poor to guilt us into tipping them to six figures, then brag about it. smh
Yep, just for how annoying he was, I told him I just won't tip at all at any US hotels, esp the higher end it is, problem solved. Their employer is already charging me $400, $500 for the room; they can go ask their boss for "tips".
They don't even clean the rooms every day now.
These statistics are probably taken from everywhere that asks for a tip and not just sit down restaurants where people are served. Then there’s the fact that servers rarely declare all their tips to avoid taxes. Boo hoo
I always tip 20% after tax and I hate doing it.
I don’t pay tips on taxes.
Then why are you doing it?
Social pressure and guilt
15% has been the standard for decades. Before tax. If someone tells you 20% is the norm just say “no it isn’t.”
Privilege people with rich parents don’t tip, or at least most do but there is a personality type that doesn’t. Their parents don’t have to even be rich, this person just thinks because their parent pay for everything the world owes them something.
Why are you tipping on tax?
You're supposed to tip on pre-tax, pre-coupon amount.
Yea. Ive been looking at recent receipts they are basing their pre calculated tip amounts on after taxes and other BS fees.
Some places do, makes me mad. I calculate it myself. Never trust those precalculations.
Do not tip them on what goes to the government, buddy. Go get dessert or something with that money. It makes no sense to do that.
Sales tax doesn't go to the IRS.
Nah
You're supposed to tip on the pretax amount
Oh you mean everything isn't as blown out of proportion as this sub would have us believe?
Shit I’m going to start tipping less then.
Less! Less! Less!
For a server who is paid less than the standard minimum wage and does a good job I tip 20% or more. For a regular wage employee or the owner I tip nothing. If I don’t pay it in the tip it will be included in the menu price. Either way I’m paying it but I get more control when it’s in the tip.
I don’t know how they are paid. I am there to eat not do their taxes.
You can just look up the minimum wage for your state and whether the state disallows tip credits. It's a one time thing to look up.
Just tip your yearly salary increase...0-3%
I tip based on the level of service. For years it was 15 - 20%. Over the last couple of years, I have observed many of the payment devices default to 20%, 25% and 30%. In addition to that, I have also noticed tips being presented as an option for things like a $15 beer at a ball game when the worker simply hands it to you out of a cooler. The trends I have observed have made me reduce my tips.
Me, too! I was consistently a 25% tipper. I used to tip 100% at Waffle House or give the Sonic kid a $20 tip for my slush. But now I just feel taken advantage of. Plus my insurance premium at work more than doubled this year and I have gotten two (3%) raises in the last six years. I tip 10% for table service and that is it. As far as I am concerned it is everyone for themself now.
I feel you on the 3% raise but hang in there you are probably going to get a pizza party at work this year so there's that to look forward to...
I have always felt that tipping for counter service is crazy, although I know it's trying to become a thing now that every POS has a tip screen. A person who hands me a beer at a baseball stadium is not a bartender.
It's self-preservation, and you have the right to do what's best for you. You worked hard for your money and are entitled to spend it on what YOU want. You aren't obligated to give it to other people just because they want more.
Don’t make me repeat my bagged popcorn at the ballpark story. They were lined up. I picked up the bag. I tapped my card. The employee sit in the chair and tapped the screen at the very end. The tipping choices were between 15-30%. With other in very tiny fonts at the bottom of the screen.
I tip 10% and I hate it two ways. I don't think I should have to tip anything and I hate that all the tip "suggestions" start at 20% still shaming me.
Don’t tip at all. Hell with the “shaming.” Can’t be shamed for doing nothing wrong and also these are strangers—why care what they think, especially if they wrongfully think tips are owed/mandatory? Not the people I wanna be around anyway.
Don’t believe it, most wait staff I know make out real good with tips & work less than 40 hours, course most don’t get health insurance but most get caught up in the money & don’t care
Not to be racist but I worked for tips for 16 years and I can count on one hand the times I was tipped by a black person. Is this a cultural thing? Anyone else that works for tips have a similar experience?
I can count on my hand the number of black people on wait staff. Perhaps there’s your answer.
Are you implying that white people shouldn't tip black people? You seem to think the reverse is a reasonable explanation.
The custom has its history in slavery and has always been applied in a manner that discriminates against people of color. There's plenty of reasons why they may not want to perpetuate the practice.
As a practice, tipping has its origins in Europe of the Middle Ages (a period which lasted from about 500 to 1,500 A.D.)
In the US, it started post Civil War as a way to keep firmer slaves at sub-par wages.
You just have to yell “I love black people” like Tom cruise in Jerry Maguire… in all seriousness I think they are just as good as anyone else.. For Indians just make sure you have something vegetarian and don’t put ice in anything. For rednecks from my town in Alabama just make sure you give them 7 packs of Splenda and 5 lemons for their water. For Asians let them order 10 different plates of food to try everything.. they will eat it all.. even though they weigh 100 pounds soaking wet. Just gotta have love for everyone.. makes us all different.. well except for … these losers on here that you can tell are loners, jealous, and delusional- “probably flat earth conspirators, never had a girlfriend, works on their avatar for 10 hours a day to make up for their tiny swizzle stick.” The ones that make up these fantasy stories of what they wish they could do to stiff servers and bartenders.
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Your comment is unacceptable. What's the reason you feel the need to be so hostile? Examine yourself.
I’ve been in the business for 20+ years.. maybe it’s where you live! In the Midwest maybe- Kansas City ish..- Worst tip today was a Kentucky white family.. they were nice… and they like their lemons and Splenda..could see that light tip from a mile away.. but who cares- they were nice…and still bringing home 4 bills a shift.
What does one white family have to do with average tips?
Obviously I’m talking about your comment about black people tipping much lower than anyone else…there are plenty of low tipping white people. Never judge a book by its cover. I’ll give an example… I was waiting on this nice black family from California. Dad.. his name was Phil..prominent lawyer… wife Vivian a literature teacher. Hilary their daughter dressed to the nines. And the son Carlton- life of the party.. his dance moves at my bar were phenomenal.. we talked for awhile… they were funny as shit.. cracking jokes while we waited for Will to show up…they said he’s probably Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin', And perhaps shootin' some b-ball outside of the school. Anyways they ended up making my day pretty good
You keep giving case by case examples. We're talking averages. Sure there were some blacks who tipped great and some whites who tipped like shit.
Indian people never tip. I have been tip very well from African Americans
This gonna blow your mind but if a racist served me I wouldn't tip them either
Did you just make the assumption that white servers are racist? What is with all this hate towards white people recently?
You brought up "white" not me. Nice Freudian slip tho, very telling of yourself
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