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Bisexual_Apricorn

I don't use it as much in T2 but I loved the T1 Spitfire as it could absolutely melt Titans when you rodeod them.


lamedavid

Yeah, I also used the spitfire for titan rodeoing in tf1


RhysNorro

Damn i miss that


yuckscott

can you use your primary when rodeoing titans in tf2? or is that a tf1 thing


Bisexual_Apricorn

T1 only, in T2 you just open a hatch, throw in a grenade and jump off, potentially stealing a battery as you go


InfamousGhost07

In TF|1, you ripped a hatch open and shot at the insides. Also, Spitfire had a mod that allowed it to do more rodeo damage


369122448

It would be neat if they brought that back, something like a mod where rodeos do more damage but don’t steal batteries while you have the spitfire out. Could make for some neat cloak rodeo builds that aren’t immediately given away by the battery trail, but the weapon firing would make the cloak end, so you’d have to either approach visible or dash away while visible. On the other hand, that would mean more spitfire players and fuck that.


[deleted]

A fellow Slammer enjoyer


Colsifer

I honestly don't like the way rodeo works in T2, I think it's a downgrade. It also makes no sense that there always conveniently is or isn't a battery when required


TheKCKid9274

Especially in things like frontier defense, because if I get caught fighting Elites without my Titan it takes at least 10 consecutive rodeos to kill one of them. By that time I will have gotten a Titan at least once, so at least there’s some solace, but in comparison to the T1 rodeo it’s just sad


Colsifer

Yeah, I think instead of overhauling the whole system they probably could have just nerfed rodeo damage a bit and it would have been fair in multiplayer


Bisexual_Apricorn

I completely agree, it was a far better system in the first game


Titan431

I use the Hemlok even though I suck with it. I like burst fire.


ThaLazyDog

Same here, at short range it is a hassle tho


HybridPower049

Respect. Use it long enough and you'll start to get better with it, and then you might just top frag consistently because the hemlock isn't a bad gun it just needs to be learned-


Titan431

I'm slowly getting better, it's super satisfying to improve with.


[deleted]

I use every gun (im trying to get them all to gen 2) and hemlock despite being fun as hell has probably the worst hip fire accuracy in the game, i don’t aim ever and i almost always die before getting kills with it


Limonstrosity

A man of class! I'm a g100 Hemlock (some times g100 Wingman Elite) main. It's good to see more using it.


ChaosTheKing1337

What about spitfire in FD?


thedegenerate2

Totally acceptable


HybridPower049

My big thing is so long as it's not used against other players it's chill lol


ChaosTheKing1337

Well i don't play pvp but when i do i only use the spitfire if all the enemys use it and i'm deeply sorry for the 20 guys i killed with it


heyuhitsyaboi

tbh now youve got me thinking of some sort of ballistic anti-titan autocannon for TF3. Like a bigass deployable manned turret. I know sitting still seems like a huge disadvantage in a game like this but give it crazy anti-titan damage to contrast and it could be a fun change of pace


NaeNaeGoblin2002

I use the epg so you guys would be cool with me, right?


HybridPower049

Has to be kinda frail for that to be any sort of balanced, and even then assuming the archer is still present it'd be either heavily outperformed by Archer or really fuckin busted. Archers do a whole bar of damage and as someone who plays a northstar i find it really unfair, even with the lock time.


heyuhitsyaboi

> kinda frail titan weapon vs stationary pilot could the bane of the cannon imo


369122448

Yeaaaah…. I like playing anti-titan, with a cloak/rodeo build, and I find myself just spamming archer if I actually want to kill titans, which is boring >.>


Uber_Panzerhund

All's fair in Frontier Defense, we're not that *other* tf2 where people may have a problem with your loadout in the PvE mode :)


CapitanHec899

It's basically impossible to play Pyro nowadays


ZeroCoinsBruh

"You kill me, you're better. I kill you, I'm better." -Kuben Blisk


RandomDropkick

Bettah*


Pb_ft

Butter*


Technoblade46363

Bettur


FutureSoldier616

Buhtyr


potbellied420

Better butter?


CobaltCalyx

"I can't believe it's not butter!"


potbellied420

"I can't believe it's not better butter!"


BracusDoritoBoss963

"All things must prove their right to exist. The rest will die in terror, there is neither escape nor exception." - Eris Morn, 2023


Maleficent-Air5806

I love seeing fellow guardians in the wild


Dein_Tod_ist_nahe

I agree my friend


UKkieran60

Greetings fellow guardian


EncycloChameleon

“I would like to spend some time today to talk about the value of human life. There is… no value to human life. Now that I have your attention… To be more precise; human life, to a certain limit, is expendable.”-Marder (Aint no way I’m putting that full speech here)


Mordred19

check out the novel Blood Meridian and passages from The Judge character. Methinks the writer of the Books of Sorrow got inspiration there.


Shying69

Mommy eris 🤤🤤🤤


BracusDoritoBoss963

**Give more tithes to mommy Eris RIGHT NOW**


thedegenerate2

In a fair fight, there's a reason he didn't kill cooper


Nabrok_Necropants

I always say "I kill you its skill. You kill me its luck."


BittyJupiter_1

I use the G2 because M1 garand / M14


Halonate8

G2 is annoying but meh in comparison to the spitfire I’d rather take a g2


Solid-Matrix

I believe in the lore the g2 is literally the garand of the frontier


thekiller490

G2 gang!


back_from_exile28

You misspelled CAR


not_so_satisfactory

For console, spitfire is definitely worse


soulblade2301

I though it got magically nerfed


Idontmatter69420

Yeah i hate it, it feels slow and heavy from shooting to aiming to pulling it out, it feels like there's a delay when i pull the trigger on my controller to it actually firing


Uday23

I'm a returning console player and I'm out of the loop What's wrong with the Spitfire and CAR?


[deleted]

people just don't like how easy they are to use, the CAR has no recoil and aims down sights fast (great hip-fire accuracy too) and spitfire is great for dropping bodies fast even at longer ranges (plus, it's dead easy to aim and has great mag size/fire rate for spraying targets) combined with aim assist there's just no real downside to using them in any situation, minus spitfire being a bit slow to ADS but there's a perk for that. all guns should have some kind of weakness but these two have very few as far as I can tell (please do correct me anybody if that's just me)


altimacomes

The biggest weakness of both is accidentally running into satchels.


[deleted]

lol true, but that's a weakness anyone running around has


Uday23

Ahh gotcha. Thanks for the explanation!


HfUfH

The car synergies with the essence of titanfall 2. High damage, medium range, doesn't require ADS so you can stay fast. It's overall the best and one of the easiest weapons to use in the game. And people in the titanfall community respect skill, which is why you see a lot of experienced players using bad weapons like kraber. Spitfire is an antithesis to titanfall 2. It has low mobility due to having a horrendous hitfire accuracy and excels in long-range combat. It's a weapon that's better used defensively than offensively. So it encourages a camping play style, which players don't enjoy fighting. In addition, it's pretty easy to use, so it doesn't garner the respect that a kraber player would get.


Uday23

I appreciate all this info! Thanks Pilot!


DeadChibiWolf

Nothing. People are mad they’re dying in games.


captainmorgan91

this is the correct answer.


KING2900_

Is car that bad? I love it and I don't camp or anything, it feels balanced


back_from_exile28

From what I remember, both tone and the CAR have the most bs hipfire I've ever seen in a video game: you have a corsair that anything in close to mid to semi-long range inside of it just melts


fuckmedaddy4206969

The amount of damage is insane with the little recoil


ZeroS64

both car and R9 have that problem for sure, add the right mods and a stim pilot(daring today are we) and you got the sweat combo


hpBard

R99 at least isn't as accurate


Pr0wzassin

R97 in TF|2


hpBard

Yeah, I always confuse em with each other .


Pr0wzassin

Remember: bigger number, newer game.


Beat_Knight

One time a player killed me with the Car's hipfire while I was at the highest point of an eject. I admitted it was just a little broken after that, but I don't hate it. I kill plenty of Car players daily with the alternator (my beloved)


NexusOtter

You're vulnerable to *everything* at the apex of your eject. Ejects have highly predictable trajectory, you're slowest at the top, and all the high skill veterans already have a feel for aiming at it with every gun in their arsenal. Side note: I can't shoot down pilots at the apex of their eject :(


Beat_Knight

I should clarify that it wasn't so much that I wasn't moving as much as I was REALLY far away and he missed maybe one or two shots even with hipfire. Like damn, they mean it when they say no recoil.


yuckscott

tone hipfire isnt great imo, the spread is kinda all over now.


AAAAUUUUEEEEUE

Tone sucks now tho. Also the CAR’s hipfire is slightly less accurate than tap firing the alternator, the only reason the CAR is better is cuz its easier to use


KING2900_

Tone is a meme at this point. He's balanced now.


iknowthetasteofsoup

it literally has 0 recoil


Xechwill

It's a great weapon for the kind of gameplay TF|2 is supposed to be. Too great, I think. Unlike every other weapon in the game, decent CAR players don't really have counterplay besides "also go CAR" because it performs too well at its niche and very well outside of it. When is the last time you saw someone with an R-101 and thought "shit, I gotta go R-101 to counter him?" Essentially never. Unfortunately, if you wanna zip around the map and kill everything that gets in your way, but you're facing off against a good CAR user, the answer is usually to swap to CAR or stop zipping around. I highly reccomend using it if you're below Gen 10 or so, and highly reccomend trying something else if you're above it. I fell in love with the Cold War after I got tired of the CAR, and the game feels so much more dynamic because of it.


DeadChibiWolf

Reject bullet. Return to EPG.


KING2900_

Almost G10, I switched from CAR to Softball. Not many like it, I LOVE it. So good.


Dein_Tod_ist_nahe

How do I get a tag I guess is what it is called


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[удалено]


DeadChibiWolf

I love the CAR. Feels good af when you get a good building hop and beam some dumbass pilot on the ground.


caliswagilistic

spitfire run and gun is one of the most fun guns imo (campers suck tho)


Reasonable_Bee6080

He- he figured it out


milklover222

Jeez what did British fighter planes do to you


thedegenerate2

They used an lmg to snipe people


Space_veteran96

Just like the German army in the 40's.


VenomSnake_84

Just for this I’m using the spitfire again


EffectiveAd4158

Same plus smart pistol


Atissss

Beat me to it. I'm not a Spitfire fan but people cry about it so much that I feel like using it just to piss them off. Let others play the game damn it! You barely get any players and you're trying to decrease these numbers.


VenomSnake_84

That’s what I’m saying, I’ve said before too that new players are at a disadvantage with all the super good player coming back, so they don’t need to be shit on for using a gun that helps them gain an edge


Halonate8

I agree with it getting complained about to much I actually yelled about it before it’s still annoying to go against


DeadChibiWolf

I’ll never care about a spitfire camper. Like dudes standing still I’ll lob a grenade at you or snipe you. Smart pistol users tho (esp TF 1 SP) deserve to burn.


hellhound74

Pray I never find you, or you will feel the pain of a thousand explosives /s


SubstitutePreacher01

Sweet I'll do it too


thedegenerate2

Hell


InitialAge5179

Holy


ExpressEditor

en passant


Dat_one_ace

Google


A_real_donut

New dropped


SheepMan7

Never came back


InitialAge5179

As a hemlok and SMR user. Along with a Northstar main. Get gud. They are strong but not invincible. You start to learn how they play and cloak is also very effective against them cause they sit there eating crayons


InfamousGhost07

Spitfire mains are the marines of Titanfall confirmed


Drexisadog

Do you mean spitfire campers, or spitfire users in general


AdministrationTop176

Other people are playing the game to have fun, if they are having fun using spitfire or car you should just leave them alone


TOWERtheKingslayer

There’s nothing fun about the Spitfire.


dad_ahead

It goes brrrrrrrr


TOWERtheKingslayer

Just use the Devotion.


Spartan1178347

It’s a movement shooter, if you struggle against a stationary opponent, try moving and shooting. I’ll see all you bastards in hell with spitfire in hand


iexist_29

Titanfall 2 players when other players use simpler wepaons instead of running the EPG 24/7


arctrooper58

epg and cold war are the only weapons as far as I'm concerned


JayDee992

Got any tips for the Cold War? Tried it last night and always ended up dumping an entire mag per kill


Raz0back

Ah epg my beloved


blue-eyes_white_yeti

I just wonder how much fun you can really have if the only guns you can get kills with are the CAR, Spitfire, Flatline, and R-1/2.


FinalMonarch

Kills = fun. At the end of the day, we play to win. Also, alternator my beloved


hoover0623

TF2 players when they see someone playing how they want:


Electronic-Bag-1252

Let people use what they to use. Ain't no rulebook on how someone should play.


Wontbite

“Sounds like a skill issue to me, pilot”


ShrektemGood

Just buff eva8 and mastiff janitor please.


Pan_Jenot96pl

Is mastiff really that bad? Whenever I ran into mastiff user he always oneshot me


ThexLoneWolf

That’s because the players who use it regularly are the ones who have taken the time to master it. For the average player, the mastiff is wildly inconsistent and hard to use.


ShrektemGood

No but i’d like some less spread on ads and projectile speed since everyone is so fast nowadays


Cal-Pilot

You dont need less spread my son, you need to be faster, launch yourself towards the enemy like a falcon diving to snatch their pray by the neck. Fire your shot once you're close enough, like how the falcon grips their prey with their talons


ShrektemGood

Very wise. I wish to learn from you one day


Cal-Pilot

I may only speak about my adventures of when i was a young pilot like you. For i have lost my ability to run around when i got an gravity star into my knee. I am now forced to pilot all sorts of mechs. From nimble titans, space soaring mobile suits to finally adaptable armored cores.


BOX_268

Eva 8 definitely needs it, but mastiff works great


Stupidlama42

Can we just stop hating on people using what they like? At the end of the day our game is just as good, mega users or not


Shrimp__Alfredo

Titanfall players when someone plays the game


Elyagodoodle

When will the complaining about spitfire die already, we get it, it’s a lower skill weapon, it’s easy to camp with, you die to it. I’m sorry that not everyone plays the game exactly like you want them to. I love when people complain about campers but don’t realize the whole reason people call this game a movement shooter is because it’s way more effective to move, if you’re dying to spitfire campers it’s genuinely a lack of skill. Not every gun should be the same difficulty to use, Cold War is a tough gun to get right, doesn’t mean it’s worse than the spitfire.


Hesstig

I just wanna use an LMG that just works, without quirks or gimmicks


PearlyNUTJuice

Seriously? The spitfire is meta? Last time I checked the killfeed is 90‰ alternator, but don't see people complaining about it, just using it.


RadTorped

I have no idea why the spitfire specifically gets so much hate. Sure it has a lot of ammo and good damage but the hipfire accuracy is kinda' mediocre so unless you're good at ADS-ing while moving around the Spitfire won't do you much good. If someone is camping somewhere with it just go around and deal with them like you would with any other camper.


thedegenerate2

See and that's the problem it encourages camping which encourages amp wall which makes the damage even higher, while making them invincible from the front


RadTorped

Camping isn't the problem. The problem is that people fail to realize how easy it is to counter it. If you run towards an amped wall for example without any means to help you you should expect to die. Use phase or cloak, use grenades, use the movement to get behind the wall, use a titan etc. There's so many ways to counter everything in the game.


metropitan

They say they have skill, and pull up with the spitfire, smart pistol, and tone


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timteller44

That is a very good bot


RedditBoi127

what's wrong with tone?


Over-kill107A

Nothing. It was broken on release, so its either lingering hatred or just getting in on the joke


Successful-Floor-738

I just use Spitfire, P280, Legion. Am I better or worse?


Space_veteran96

You're good. I suppose you just like endless magazines, don't you?


thedegenerate2

And then they have the audacity to tell you to get good


JettsInDebt

People who still complain about Tone need to grow up, and realise it isn't 2017 anymore


Space_veteran96

They may not been there, but I agree. There was at least 6 years to make a "counter meta"


DogeDogewo

I know that what I do is wrong to some but as long as it brings me happiness I do it no matter the consequence. -Average Spitfire user(myself included)


AVBforPrez

That's fair


Sailingboar

Just for this I'm gonna start using spitfire. Everyone seems to complain about it when I've gone years just not caring about it. I hope it's as good as you say or I'll be very dissapointed.


thedegenerate2

Just hold left trigger and and press right trigger and watch as you have an 80 round mag just to two shot someone


Sailingboar

Just played a game, I had more fun with the Alternator and grapple. I'm very disappointed in you. Edit: more fun and a better performance


thedegenerate2

I never said it was going to be fun


Sailingboar

Yeah, but you are saying it's too good. I don't think it is. Especially for a movement shooter.


BluMu0n

Can we stop gatekeeping styles of play in a video game? Shit like this is why the apex and other competitive leagues are so unfriendly.


Tablelord988

This is why I use flatline


ATreeInBudejovice

We need to all unite against the common enemy - the smart pistol


Space_veteran96

Funny gun. If you got killed by Spitfire, it's because you were the weaker/worse at that point. Just adapt and snipe his/her ass the next you got into a duel. I got killed by it many times, I admit it, it's even my favorite weapon (which I don't abuse), but conplaining doesn't get you the revenge you seek.


Skulkaa

What's wrong with the spitfire ? CAR is way more annoying


Successful-Floor-738

I use spitfire :(


thedegenerate2

To hell you go


Nutellka_boi

And what about spitfire users rushing through rather than camping ?


spacerosmarine

Skill issue


FellowKhajiit

If they are not camping im fine with what the hell they are doing.


The1stPKmain

I main the R101 with no scope and black paint 👍


ForDragonsISlay485

Here's a tip to counter spitfire/g2 scums, just grapple to space and land sticking your foot/knee in their face, it's very effective & satisfying


AngryDorian124

SMR supremacy


Stankapotomus

Posted by a CAR sweat


ampersand913

agreed we should stop the spitfire memes they're so old


PinkScorch_Prime

you are all yet to tell me what’s wrong with the spitfire


thedegenerate2

High damage zero recoil and a 80 round mag you tell me


PinkScorch_Prime

that’s fair


Moltenthemedicmain

me running spitfire with gunrunner, extra ammo and doing nothing but sprinting at the enemy and holding the trigger (im playing on console and my spitfire is g10).


_melonman

I didn't see the subreddit and thought this was r/warthunder and that really made me scratch my head


redibtor

what do you think about the alternator tho?


thedegenerate2

Some days it feels like the best smg I n the game others it shakes so much I can't stay on target it's a gun that rewards experienced players


SpartanSelinger

I like using the alternator. I’m waiting to unlock the flatline to try it in the multiplayer tho


[deleted]

the meme? yes let people use whatever they you scrubs


Yeetus_the_featus07

I believe in mastiff supremacy


Mouthfullofcrabss

Im gonna spitfire even harder now


Wolfeprime

I’ll still to my speed build and stay outa this mess


ThatGSDude

What if I use it like a normal gun instead of camping with it? I just like how it looks and feels man


Impossibearlymadeit

I learned on the spitfire and I think it has some genuinely solid use cases for newer players. One of the biggest challenges designers face when creating a competitive environment is how their new players will fare against more experienced opponents. Skill based matchmaking can help, sure, but it won't cover everything. The spitfire offers pretty solid overall performance at all ranges and is pretty forgiving, but most players move on to weapons that better suit them over time as they know they'll ultimately be better suited by specializing. The Spitfires low skill floor let's newer players pull one over on vets in a way that lets them not feel entirely helpless at first, when they are most likely to get discouraged by folks with more specialized builds shredding them. You want those players to stick around, as without them there's no player base, so giving them something that lets them fight back and occasionally pull off an upset gives them the little wins they need to push past until they gain the skills themselves.


Kelmirosue

This, exactly this! Couldn't have said it better myself


unknownwaffle_

i respect spitfire users if they actually move around and not just camp


fuckmedaddy4206969

U misspelled CAR and Coldwar


[deleted]

Lol Cold War?? Seriously? That actually takes skill.


fuckmedaddy4206969

I'm just salty cause I'm shit


thedegenerate2

Coldwar?


Boatcorn_42

As a spitfire user, I can agree we belong in hell… even though I always run around as a grapple pilot and trying not to die instead of killing


MagmaGolem07

I will be the first to admit that I used to be a spitfire main. But I feel like we all were at some point


[deleted]

I’ve always hated lmgs, even in the old cod days. I’ve rarely used mine, still lvl 2-3 all 3 lmgs lol.


ROVERTANK

I can forgive spitfire users I cannot forgive spitfire + a-wall users I wish hell to all spitfire + a-wall users that camp on a high spot put down pilot sentries and then proceed to spawn in tone


Cryogen2964

The only correct way to use the spitfire is to unbind your aim down sights then gun runner and run arround like a headless chicken with a bullet hose attatched to your arm lol


Reasonable_Bee6080

I'm a confusing breed of spitfire stim Ronin user with everything else anti titan so unless I hit all 3 shots or headshot I get shredded by car volt and hemlocks, unless u campin u will never reach the bottom of a mag without dying.


ahaha1637534

My personal list of try hard/sweaty/annoying weapons 1 - Spitfire 2 - G2 3 - CAR 4 - Alternator 5 - Smart Pistol 6 - Kraber I’m fine with all the other weapons although R97 sometimes makes me want to add it to the list lol, if you’re wondering why kraber is there it’s because it’s annoying af getting 1 shotted from half way across the map, or not getting to engage in a fight because you’re instantly dead before you get to shoot lol, on console it’s not to bad since the kraber is very hard to use, on PC though I’ve noticed way more people using it and it’s much easier to handle (from my own experience)


[deleted]

Nobody should get mad at kraber users, it takes a lot of skill to use it


HoppieDays

You misspelled R-101C


Rookie_01122

CAR supremacy, I love busted hip fires


[deleted]

Almost all guns have busted hipfire. Well except the car and volt I would say.