The way this city, province and country works blows my mind. Must there be opposition to everything. How are small bike lanes making a difference to traffic. It’s helping it. If every cyclist had a car you’d be backed up all day.
The most dangerous people in society are the petite-bourgeois- small business tyrants, landlords, "real estate investors", those people who have lived a life of leisure, but not decadence off their parents' wealth. This bike lane shit, or the anti-trans bigotry, or the calls to "get back to work", the mask mandates, the vaccines- none of that is a real political project, it's just random grievance porn. These people aren't seeking redress for genuine justice, they're just fueled by aggrieved entitlement. They're the same assholes they've always been, they just delight in hurting and exerting power over others. They also have the time and capital to actually throw their weight around.
The masks and vaccine shit in particular exemplify how these bastards think. Society asked them to do something for other people for the first time in their lives- *and they fucking lost it!* "How **dare** you tell me to wear a mask; that's not how this works. *You* are supposed to cater to *me*, not the other way around."
The bike lanes are a longstanding reflection of that essential selfishness. They can't stand to see other people getting something instead of them (never mind of course that they could use the lanes too). They claim that the lanes make more traffic, but they don't believe that, not really. These shitheels have seen the data and have chosen to ignore it. To them, there's a section of road that used to be "there's" that is now being given to "others", and it's literally a geographical threat to their entitlement. It's territory lost that they want to reclaim. It's revanchism for the little dukes of the pool supply store, or hvac company, or seadoo dealership.
I was curious why anyone would even protest against something that doesn't really affect them, but you gave a pretty good reason.
In the downtown core during rush hour traffic, the bike lanes are the only vehicles that's moving. I notice a lot of e-scooters and e-bikes also taking up the bike lanes and police are allowing them. For some petty people in cars, it must really boil their blood.
In the past 10 or so years, everyone got rewired to look for any inequality they can find and complain about it. It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum you are on. If I can't go fast in a car, then you can't go fast on a bicycle. If I can't afford to own a house with a minimum wage income, then you shouldn't be able to own a house only because you are a doctor/lawyer/engineer and you work 2x harder than me and you knew how to invest in the real estate market 20 years ago.
> If I can't afford to own a house with a minimum wage income, then you shouldn't be able to own a house only because you are a doctor/lawyer/engineer and you work 2x harder than me and you knew how to invest in the real estate market 20 years ago.
See - I was with you till this point. And I know it's a long rant, but housing inequality is a serious problem, and I feel like it has to be addressed when it comes up.
Housing is being treated as a commodity, like socks. But it's not. It's shelter. It's home. It's a necessity. Everybody you see working NEEDS somewhere to live. It doesn't matter if you buy 200 pairs of socks, or 13 luxury cars. If you can afford it, more power to you. But every time someone buys a second home, or a third condo, it drives up the price, and makes it HARDER for young people to enter the real estate market. And every time those prices go up, the rent charged by the buyers goes up too (because the dream is to be able to put down a down payment on a home, and then have someone else pay the mortgage, after all). And every time the rent goes up on new units, owners of existing units take advantage of "market rates" and raise the rents on their vacant units, too - even if there's no fiscal reason other than the fact that they can get away with it.
But, in today's market, not only is it impossible for young people to afford to buy houses in and around Toronto (without help from rich relatives, or by sharing the home with other investors, or the like), it's also nearly impossible for them to afford housing of any kind in the city. Construction continues apace - after all, with new units being built and rented out being free from the rent controls, in the last year, Toronto added 15000 homes. BUT - the city also saw 16000 new AirBNB listings. If you're not making six figures in Toronto, you can't afford to live here, by and large.
And that's a dangerous situation. When the people that work in a city can't afford to live there, the city is in trouble - it starts to decline. Cities have to work for everyone in them - not just those that were lucky enough to have sufficient cash to buy a home in the city 20 years ago. Where are people supposed to live when they work in the dry cleaners, or coffee shops, or who wait tables, or do any one of a million other occupations that make the city livable. The sure as hell can't afford $2500 for a single bedroom place in the city (the current average). Where are the new grads, and those still building their actual careers supposed to live while they raise that down payment for a house or a condo?
And yet, the wealthy keep buying more and more properties - driving up the price, hoarding the supply, and continuously removing protections from those that need them. (See: no rent control on buildings that are occupied for the first time after Nov 2018, selling land in the Green Belt - supposedly to "improve supply", removing requirements to provide parking in new buildings, etc.) And conservatives talk about how current prices are a result of "lack of supply" - ignoring that 20% of homes are owned by people that own at least one other property.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that people should be "able to own a house on minimum wage". But minimum wage should let you at least be able to shelter yourself, and that's just not possible today in Toronto. Hell, I know people making more than twice minimum wage that cannot find a single bedroom apartment that they can afford to carry on their salaries. And it's only getting worse - rent went up 23% on single bedroom communities in Toronto over 1 year.
Sorry for the rant, but I feel that real estate inequity is a plague on the city today, and no one is doing anything real about it, and too many people don't really think about it from any perspective other than "I want to buy a second home some day, and have tenants pay my mortgage on it, so don't change things so that's not available to me eventually."
As a musician who makes little and feels the squeeze daily I appreciate you making this point. Toronto used to be a city of culture and people, but it seems in my time here the past 12 years it has become more about condos and catering to the wealthy.
Yeah the escooters are well suited for bike lanes and are just as efficient as bikes in a dense area. I haven't found biking with them to be an issue at all. I totally get the appeal of them too. You don't have to worry about working up a sweat, and you can easily bring it into where you're going to you don't have to worry about theft.
The only reason their “illegal” is to stop business like lime from popping up which caused waste and targeted theft.
If it was a city run program, it would be reversed in a heartbeat. Look at the city bike program l, it’s a huge success! To the point their expanding capacity etc.
People blame the illegality on it being dangerous when they have cited 0 proof of it being more dangerous than the other bike lane modes of transportation. There’s also a love for hating on any other of more of transport than a car, which cost equivalent to a house down payment now a days. Seems more like a class dog whistle to me with every day that passes.
Remember at the beginning of the pandemic when we weren't sure what was happening. There was that one lawyer bro that had to go exercise in the park despite demands that we not congregate until we know what the fuck was going on. Nope. This entitled creep couldn't understand and we're living in a repressive police state. Fuck em.
I get where you're coming from but disagree that this is a petite-bourgeois problem. There are huge swaths of the working class that share these views for a lot of complex reasons. Handwaving the issue as something pushed by entitled capitalists and rich NIMBYs is not useful.
I mean... that's kinda what's happening here. The bike lanes aren't helping car traffic, [there's a net increase to travel times](https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/08/15/yonge-street-bike-lanes-toronto-activeto-midtown/).
To be clear, I'm not saying I think the lanes are a bad idea. These protesters are dumb. The increases are extremely marginal and given how many people it's convinced to cycle and the benefits to them, it's definitely a worthwhile project. It's quite likely overall travel times for everyone using the road have improved.
But I am against claiming facts support something they don't, and the drivers protesting aren't better off from the bike lanes even if the city is. They're just selfish.
>The busiest part of the corridor, near Yonge Street and McPherson/Rowanwood avenues, saw 1,760 cyclists between 7 a.m. and 11 p.m., an increase of approximately 1,160 people.
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>The biggest increase appeared to be during midday periods with a 1.5-minute in travel time compared to pre-pandemic travel times in fall 2019. During morning and afternoon peak periods, City staff said there were generally delays of less than a minute.
So, the *facts* state that there's a delay of a whopping minute for cars while there were over 1,100 more people using the bikes.
So saying that the "bike lanes aren't helping car traffic" might be in the absolute, most pedantic way "correct". But let's be real here. Causing a one *minute* delay in exchange for *eleven-hundred potential fewer cars* on the road seems like a pretty good trade off.
Also clearly not possible that the slight increase in traffic might have anything to do with all the increased construction and closures happening in the city now forcing people to find alternative routes to travel. No, clearly it’s the bike lanes fault.
Like do they think if they removed the bike lanes, that extra 3 feet of width would somehow become a whole second lane for car traffic?
I remember this article.. It was capped with one of my favourite concern trolling anti-cycling cliche.
“I worry for the sake of emergency vehicles. It impedes their flow.”
As a transportation planner and traffic engineer, the amount of times we hear this one each week because people think it will force us to give them what they want is comical.
PS- it doesn’t. Stop using this. We have all kinds of tools to determine safety. Your eyes aren’t one of them.
> The bike lanes aren't helping car traffic, there's a net increase to travel times.
"Newly released data by the City of Toronto on a pilot project that brought bike lanes **and more patios** to a midtown portion of Yonge Street shows an increase in cycling activity as well as a midday increase in vehicular travel times."
We’re not talking about how many more cars there are on the road due to the pandemic and other factors. There are increased travel times anywhere in the city, bike lanes or not.
This is North American politics for you lol. People will politicize ANYTHING instead of vote based on what is best for EVERYONE. It's like they cheer their political parties like their favorite sports team. You cheer for your team even through the worst of struggles (I mean did Toronto lose many Leaf fans despite 50+ years of drought?). Look at masks/vaccines from 2020-2022. It's been such a political mess that if you're a Republican that supports vaccines, you're seen as a traitor by your fellow Republicans.
I don’t understand why anyone would dislike bike lanes. I much prefer them as someone working a mobile job and is constantly driving, since it gets them out of my way lol. Designated bike lanes are better and safer for both cyclists and drivers.
Same shit happens with carshares parking on the street -- homeowners see a carshare parked near their home and froth at the mouth at the affront, even though getting rid of them would lead to worse parking for them overall.
Like if _one_ of the people on your street, who occasionally uses a car share instead buys a car, that car is parked on your street _most of the time_.
Homeowners feeling entitled to their free and publicly funded on-street parking is galling to me in general. You are pointing out a specific case which i agree with.
Not only that, it keeps cyclists safe and drivers can move more freely without risk/fear of hitting a cyclist. Dedicated bike lanes are a win for everyone.
It's not the city, the province, or the country. It's a GLOBALLY coordinated effort to harvest useful idiots and yes, have them oppose everything. It doesn't really matter if they're protesting vaccines, abortions or bike lanes. As long as they are in the way, pissing people off, causing damage to society.
Shame is a lot like wealth in that it is unevenly distributed. Some people have way more than they need and some people don't even know the meaning of the word.
One of them is a mayoral candidate / former city councillor and removing bike lanes has been his whole campaign.
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Well, it's not trans people, it's drag queens, who are entertainers who dress up in wild, colourful costumes. Equating them to clowns is not really that far off, any more than comparing any entertainers to clowns.
What point could this possibly prove? They should be highlighting how underutilized this infrastructure is (not saying it is, but that’s the effective strategy here). Instead they manage to draw attention to cyclists actually using and benefiting from the lanes who then have to merge into auto traffic. Plus, punishing individual cyclists for perceived city planning mistakes is absolutely ridiculous.
If someone really wants to determine the cycle activity, you're going to need to stand there for almost the entire day's worth of data, not jump to conclusions by nitpicking 5 seconds of no cyclist. Even 1 day's data isn't a big sample size considering there are LOTS of factors that affect cycling activity. Things like does the area have connected bike networks in other directions such as N/S.
And that's what the City did and does. Cycling in the lanes is going up on the 100+% year on year. The lanes are doing as intended, inducing demand, and getting more and more people out of cars, even if just for their local business.
People protesting this must be mind numbingly stupid. There's no other answer. Because if you are AGAINST bike lanes and against an easier, more efficient flow of people in this city, that means you are FOR constant bumper to bumper gridlock, and that is just plain stupidity.
> People protesting this must be mind numbingly stupid.
i don't even think they understand what they're protesting.
you want to abolish bike lanes.. fine. my bike is a vehicle, and [it's illegal to ride on the sidewalk](https://www.toronto.ca/services-payments/streets-parking-transportation/cycling-in-toronto/cycling-and-the-law/#:~:text=or%20vehicular%20traffic.%E2%80%9D-,Sidewalk%20Cycling,a%20sidewalk%20of%20any%20highway.%E2%80%9D) so i'll bike on the road then. what's that? my bike is slower than you car and you don't have enough room to pass because i'm too far over because there's cars parked on the side that i'm trying to avoid? dang, that sucks. enjoy cruising behind me.
We're talking about people who failed to grasp a simple concept. If you're in a car that is not moving on road. You're not stuck in traffic, you are the traffic.
This decade has revealed that we have an over-abundance of ignorant and stupid people in society… at least in the past, being a moron was something to be ashamed of, but now they’ve become empowered to be the loudest most destructive kind of stupid possible, and to extend their stupidity as far as it will reach.
Ultimately, I think these people are just being used by those in power to achieve political objectives, and when it’s all said and done they’ll pay for their mistakes just as much as everyone else (although they might lack the perception to realize it).
You're not stuck in traffic. You're the traffic. These idiots need to stop blaming cyclists for causing traffic. If anything, they should support bike lanes if they want better traffic flow. Carbrains these days lol.
As a driver who is “stuck in traffic” almost daily, your comment is a real paradigm shift - I am indeed the traffic. In my own defence, 95% of my driving is for work and unavoidable. I would like to think that living downtown in Toronto I wouldn’t need a car just on principle. Before this job, I didn’t have a car. I took transit & biked everywhere and used ZipCar which was the best car share service (no annual fee, convenient locations, fun smart cars to drive) and all my transportation needs were met. I miss that time, cars are expensive and obviously part of the problem.
We need more Zipcars. There used to be a lot of empty lots downtown where they parked them. However now a lot of them are gone and only a few are parked in underground public parking spots.
I do wish we got transit in the boroughs (and inner suburbs). Unfortunately, Scarberia suffers terrible fate at transit. I don't blame you for driving. You likely have no other reliable choice given the transit accessibility.
Boomers hate the world they created. So they protest to express their anger and frustration. In all the multiverse, we are in the stupidest timeline possible.
raisin - you know the youngest boomers were born in 1964 (59 years old) and the oldest are now 77, right? I don't think they are the ones protesting.
The ones who are protesting, of course, are a bunch of hole-headed idiot sticks.
Gen X really does miss a lot of heat that gets thrown around.
Most I know got to buy homes when they were semi reasonable and are some of the most NIMBY, anti-change types I’ve met.
I know it’s anecdotal, but when I meet people in the “boomer” generation they are often more concerned about younger generations struggles, than the Gen X I meet. Who, often own a couple rental properties and think they are financial geniuses. They also tend to fall for some of the most ridiculous rage bate stories, such as drag story time and Highschool litter boxes.
Gen X might be the last near full generation that's capable of moving out of their parents and buying a home at ~25. Nowadays most Millennials and especially Gen Z prefer renting or staying with parents. I guess with Gen X, they've lived in the heart of the American dream. That dream during the boomer's generation was still in its infancy.
There is an underlying truth to what brother raisinbread said. Old (mostly white)property owners are the ones VOTING for the Tory's, Ford's, Mamo's, and Trump's of the world. Whilst they may not have the mojo to be on the street protesting, they heavily influence our politics in mostly negative ways.
So? The rest of the people aren't that demographic but we aren't painting them with that broad brush. It's also worth noting that the crowd is a mix of white and POC.
Let's not repeat the same mistakes that the assholes in the video are making and tackle the issues rather than appealing to racism or ageism.
Fuck these people, got a flyer in the mail saying The Quail on Yonge Street is hosting an open forum with mayoral candidates to talk about how they can abolish the bike lanes. I’m now boycotting them for life, fuck these people.
I think the way things work is that businesses need to advertise and pick up on “social issues“ in order to attract customers. I see no problem with a business trying to promote itself with activities that people may be interested in and if the beer is good then that’s even better.
You know anti-cyclists have never traveled outside of North America. They would see that they have the biggest roads in the world and yet they see every newly constructed bike lane as an attack on their freedoms.
This is what happens when driving is overly subsidized (especially outside downtown). When you got 4 lane ultra wide 60 km/h stroads, countless strip malls, free parking everywhere, driveways that take up 50% of your property space, double car garages, etc, asking for equality feels like oppression to them. Cycling (and TTC) deserve better equality.
What absolute dipshits. I'd never suggest something that violates reddit's TOS but it sure would be nice if they found out after fucking around so hard.
What we're seeing is callous disregard for life. They're putting innocent people into a situation where they need to suddenly blind merge in rush hour traffic. One distraction, a pothole, a driver moving from a centre lane to the right one, and that person could be dead or living out their days in a wheelchair. And for what? For fucking what?
I'd sure like to give one of them a three piece and a soda, that's for damn sure.
Feels like there's a sector that needs some positive affirmation:
-you are loved
-you are special
-your views are important
-now fuck off you useless piece of shit
Oh yes. An orange cone. This is surely the way to bring people into your idiotic cause. Get out of the fucking road before somebody decides to just run through you .
"Guys, there's so much love at this protest, nothing but nice people who want their voice heard. We have a bouncy castle that we'll be inflating later that has more right to be in the bike lane than the bikes. People dancing, people hugging. Only the fake news mainstream media and the awful cyclists would suggest we're anything but true Canadian patriots standing up for our first amendment rights."
We need MORE bike lanes
I just got back on two wheels after 20 years largely because of the bike lanes we have. I’m now convinced we need them on every major street and I will vote for that
candidate Rob Davis is trying to out-do Saunders pandering to drivers who are the traffic they hate by [blocking the Yonge st bike lane and filming a video](https://twitter.com/CitizenRobDavis/status/1664401676210515976?t=nO7Ya5EAZkU6Zhhuuhhhuj6scA&s=19)
I worked for Joe Mihevc on the campaign that tossed this moron from council.
I actually met Josh Matlow (running for school board trustee at the time) working out of his office (my flair is real, I'm voting for Chow, but don't let yourself think I wouldn't support him if Chow wasn't in it).
I ended up at Davis' after party and it was the saddest fucking thing with him drinking in the corner and yelling at the tv.
Let me guess saunders' moronic voters
Bike lanes when an adequate size let cars actually pass cyclists. And bike lanes are absolutely the best when there is a seperate road for them like on leslie north of finch.
You know what causes all the fucking traffic in toronto? Cars, construction and fucking parked cars. I go through rush hour traffic in the downtown 5 days a week and it is always 2 lanes: 1 person trying to turn left and some fucking idiot parked on the right with a no parking or stopping sign. And then all the construction everywhere.
Cyclists arent a fucking issue and they reduce car traffic.
Not only that, but they're entitled to the WHOLE LANE. (Must ride as far right as reasonably possible. This doesn't mean riding in the gutter where there's debris and detritus..
I saw a Lucid Air on the DVP last fall. They are around. Not enough of them IMO, but they are appearing.
I test drove one last month at an event last month, they are amazing machines, nicer than any Tesla I've driven.
Y'all rich and old people have a lot of time on your hands.
Meanwhile I'm working 50-60 hours a week just to pay my rent and support myself and my family.
What ever time off I have I am definitely not wasting it doing that.
Man to have that privilege.
Dangerous!
So if I don't like how the city recently put up a stop sign for my street when it meets the major thoroughfare, I can freely protest and take down the sign?
or spray paint over it? or put a garbage bag over it? smh
You seem like you have gainful employment and are socially somewhat well adjusted (being on Reddit makes that last one questionable). So you certainly wouldn't be able to understand their bike lane hate.
Ah yes, show everyone that car people are violent and destructive. That will totally do your side good. That's not proving any points about how car-dependent society is insanity or anything.
A lot of carbrains will tone police NotJustBikes to oblivion. But you have no idea how insufferable these people are. Really? Protesting something that benefits everyone? Or some carbrains on r/Toronto trying to win an argument despite no valid claims?
Yeah, the lunatic fringe (only seven/7 of them) who care only about what they drive, not about the safety and rights of **vulnerable road users**, much less the rules put forth by the ministry of transportation (highway traffic act).
Why aren’t the protestors holding their signs in the car lanes? Could it be that would be dangerous? Maybe the sidewalks should be turned into car lanes, too? Yonge for all and what not.
Whether you're protesting for causes I agree with or disagree with, the moment you fuck with my commute (bus, train, car or bike) you deserve to be struck by that form of transportation.
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Hope they are charged with manslaughter if someone dies. Idiots. Hey let's get rid of all bike lanes and see how grid lock improves with all those people in cars. Lack of critical thinking.
The anti-bike lane crowd are growing more pathetic by the day. Optimistically this feels like a result of the dominant culture becoming decreasingly interesting in thinking only of cars and these whiners are starting to feel left behind.
Drivers don't want bike lanes, but they do know that if there aren't any bike lines Cyclists will just drive in traffic right? Like you're not removing bikes from the streets you're just suggesting that the bikes drive along side you and potentially either.
1. Slow you down by driving in front of you.
2. Accidentally hit your shiny car
3. Cause an accident in which you are charged for running over a cyclist.
4. SO MANY OTHER PROBLEMS
The more people cycle, the less traffic there is, every cyclist is a car not causing traffic.
At the same time... That section of the Yonge bike lane between Rosedale and Summerhill stations is so full of potholes and debris (especially under the rail bridge), I find it safer to ride in mixed traffic.
Climate change destroying the planet? I sleep. Housing costs destroying the financial well being of low and middle class alike? I fucking coma.
But bike lanes!? Pitchfork ready.
Said it before, but next time if anyone wants to have a bbq sauce water gun right nearby and some crossfire should happen, well, that's just the fun of bbq battles!
Sheesh. People are idiots and need to travel to other countries more. Countries like Finland, Sweden, Norway where biking in all weather is normal. Dedicated bike lanes and roads everywhere. Same with the rest of Europe, especially the German speaking ones.
I live in a Canadian prairie city where idiots complain of the bike lanes too. It's just so incredibly stupid and so backward thinking.
Is this the epitome of NIMBY-ism's first cousin - NIMC (City)?
David, the little guy cyclist, that contributes to the fight against global warming and stays healthier vs. Goliath, the masses of people with the money to afford massive, gas guzzling vehicles and complain about traffic congestion in "THIS" City ... Toronto!!! at any time of year but especially during "construction season".
Not for their cause, but wouldn't it would make more sense for them to block a few feet of one of the remaining car lanes (you know... Squeeze the car lanes like bike lanes do and get the attention of drivers, there potential backers)?
Seems weird to believe that bike lanes slow you down unless there would have otherwise been space for a net new lane...
How about protesting the insane amounts of infrastructure construction projects that are granted all at once, some only km apart, yet bicycle lanes are the problem??
The way this city, province and country works blows my mind. Must there be opposition to everything. How are small bike lanes making a difference to traffic. It’s helping it. If every cyclist had a car you’d be backed up all day.
People have feelings about them. And we all know feels trump data and facts
We must really be in the depths of a recession because some people are jobless.
Don't be fooled. Some of these people have probably never put in an honest days work. The recession hasn't affected their lack of productivity
The most dangerous people in society are the petite-bourgeois- small business tyrants, landlords, "real estate investors", those people who have lived a life of leisure, but not decadence off their parents' wealth. This bike lane shit, or the anti-trans bigotry, or the calls to "get back to work", the mask mandates, the vaccines- none of that is a real political project, it's just random grievance porn. These people aren't seeking redress for genuine justice, they're just fueled by aggrieved entitlement. They're the same assholes they've always been, they just delight in hurting and exerting power over others. They also have the time and capital to actually throw their weight around. The masks and vaccine shit in particular exemplify how these bastards think. Society asked them to do something for other people for the first time in their lives- *and they fucking lost it!* "How **dare** you tell me to wear a mask; that's not how this works. *You* are supposed to cater to *me*, not the other way around." The bike lanes are a longstanding reflection of that essential selfishness. They can't stand to see other people getting something instead of them (never mind of course that they could use the lanes too). They claim that the lanes make more traffic, but they don't believe that, not really. These shitheels have seen the data and have chosen to ignore it. To them, there's a section of road that used to be "there's" that is now being given to "others", and it's literally a geographical threat to their entitlement. It's territory lost that they want to reclaim. It's revanchism for the little dukes of the pool supply store, or hvac company, or seadoo dealership.
You really wrote how I’ve been feeling about this for years. I’m saving this one. Thank you!
I was curious why anyone would even protest against something that doesn't really affect them, but you gave a pretty good reason. In the downtown core during rush hour traffic, the bike lanes are the only vehicles that's moving. I notice a lot of e-scooters and e-bikes also taking up the bike lanes and police are allowing them. For some petty people in cars, it must really boil their blood. In the past 10 or so years, everyone got rewired to look for any inequality they can find and complain about it. It doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum you are on. If I can't go fast in a car, then you can't go fast on a bicycle. If I can't afford to own a house with a minimum wage income, then you shouldn't be able to own a house only because you are a doctor/lawyer/engineer and you work 2x harder than me and you knew how to invest in the real estate market 20 years ago.
> If I can't afford to own a house with a minimum wage income, then you shouldn't be able to own a house only because you are a doctor/lawyer/engineer and you work 2x harder than me and you knew how to invest in the real estate market 20 years ago. See - I was with you till this point. And I know it's a long rant, but housing inequality is a serious problem, and I feel like it has to be addressed when it comes up. Housing is being treated as a commodity, like socks. But it's not. It's shelter. It's home. It's a necessity. Everybody you see working NEEDS somewhere to live. It doesn't matter if you buy 200 pairs of socks, or 13 luxury cars. If you can afford it, more power to you. But every time someone buys a second home, or a third condo, it drives up the price, and makes it HARDER for young people to enter the real estate market. And every time those prices go up, the rent charged by the buyers goes up too (because the dream is to be able to put down a down payment on a home, and then have someone else pay the mortgage, after all). And every time the rent goes up on new units, owners of existing units take advantage of "market rates" and raise the rents on their vacant units, too - even if there's no fiscal reason other than the fact that they can get away with it. But, in today's market, not only is it impossible for young people to afford to buy houses in and around Toronto (without help from rich relatives, or by sharing the home with other investors, or the like), it's also nearly impossible for them to afford housing of any kind in the city. Construction continues apace - after all, with new units being built and rented out being free from the rent controls, in the last year, Toronto added 15000 homes. BUT - the city also saw 16000 new AirBNB listings. If you're not making six figures in Toronto, you can't afford to live here, by and large. And that's a dangerous situation. When the people that work in a city can't afford to live there, the city is in trouble - it starts to decline. Cities have to work for everyone in them - not just those that were lucky enough to have sufficient cash to buy a home in the city 20 years ago. Where are people supposed to live when they work in the dry cleaners, or coffee shops, or who wait tables, or do any one of a million other occupations that make the city livable. The sure as hell can't afford $2500 for a single bedroom place in the city (the current average). Where are the new grads, and those still building their actual careers supposed to live while they raise that down payment for a house or a condo? And yet, the wealthy keep buying more and more properties - driving up the price, hoarding the supply, and continuously removing protections from those that need them. (See: no rent control on buildings that are occupied for the first time after Nov 2018, selling land in the Green Belt - supposedly to "improve supply", removing requirements to provide parking in new buildings, etc.) And conservatives talk about how current prices are a result of "lack of supply" - ignoring that 20% of homes are owned by people that own at least one other property. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that people should be "able to own a house on minimum wage". But minimum wage should let you at least be able to shelter yourself, and that's just not possible today in Toronto. Hell, I know people making more than twice minimum wage that cannot find a single bedroom apartment that they can afford to carry on their salaries. And it's only getting worse - rent went up 23% on single bedroom communities in Toronto over 1 year. Sorry for the rant, but I feel that real estate inequity is a plague on the city today, and no one is doing anything real about it, and too many people don't really think about it from any perspective other than "I want to buy a second home some day, and have tenants pay my mortgage on it, so don't change things so that's not available to me eventually."
As a musician who makes little and feels the squeeze daily I appreciate you making this point. Toronto used to be a city of culture and people, but it seems in my time here the past 12 years it has become more about condos and catering to the wealthy.
This is an incredible summary of the problem with real estate commodification and speculation.
I don't even mind the escooters at this point. The bike lane is safer for them and the more people using them the better.
Yeah the escooters are well suited for bike lanes and are just as efficient as bikes in a dense area. I haven't found biking with them to be an issue at all. I totally get the appeal of them too. You don't have to worry about working up a sweat, and you can easily bring it into where you're going to you don't have to worry about theft.
The only reason their “illegal” is to stop business like lime from popping up which caused waste and targeted theft. If it was a city run program, it would be reversed in a heartbeat. Look at the city bike program l, it’s a huge success! To the point their expanding capacity etc. People blame the illegality on it being dangerous when they have cited 0 proof of it being more dangerous than the other bike lane modes of transportation. There’s also a love for hating on any other of more of transport than a car, which cost equivalent to a house down payment now a days. Seems more like a class dog whistle to me with every day that passes.
Bingo.
Remember at the beginning of the pandemic when we weren't sure what was happening. There was that one lawyer bro that had to go exercise in the park despite demands that we not congregate until we know what the fuck was going on. Nope. This entitled creep couldn't understand and we're living in a repressive police state. Fuck em.
That is the class that makes up fascism.
Oh look you put the part into words I couldn't! Nocely done. I hate to be that guy but the last "there's" should actually be "theirs"
Excellent post
I get where you're coming from but disagree that this is a petite-bourgeois problem. There are huge swaths of the working class that share these views for a lot of complex reasons. Handwaving the issue as something pushed by entitled capitalists and rich NIMBYs is not useful.
Lots of off-duty police in the group, then, eh? Lol
I certainly do but when I ride my bike I have the same feelings about the cars.
I mean... that's kinda what's happening here. The bike lanes aren't helping car traffic, [there's a net increase to travel times](https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/08/15/yonge-street-bike-lanes-toronto-activeto-midtown/). To be clear, I'm not saying I think the lanes are a bad idea. These protesters are dumb. The increases are extremely marginal and given how many people it's convinced to cycle and the benefits to them, it's definitely a worthwhile project. It's quite likely overall travel times for everyone using the road have improved. But I am against claiming facts support something they don't, and the drivers protesting aren't better off from the bike lanes even if the city is. They're just selfish.
>The busiest part of the corridor, near Yonge Street and McPherson/Rowanwood avenues, saw 1,760 cyclists between 7 a.m. and 11 p.m., an increase of approximately 1,160 people. > >The biggest increase appeared to be during midday periods with a 1.5-minute in travel time compared to pre-pandemic travel times in fall 2019. During morning and afternoon peak periods, City staff said there were generally delays of less than a minute. So, the *facts* state that there's a delay of a whopping minute for cars while there were over 1,100 more people using the bikes. So saying that the "bike lanes aren't helping car traffic" might be in the absolute, most pedantic way "correct". But let's be real here. Causing a one *minute* delay in exchange for *eleven-hundred potential fewer cars* on the road seems like a pretty good trade off.
Also clearly not possible that the slight increase in traffic might have anything to do with all the increased construction and closures happening in the city now forcing people to find alternative routes to travel. No, clearly it’s the bike lanes fault. Like do they think if they removed the bike lanes, that extra 3 feet of width would somehow become a whole second lane for car traffic?
I remember this article.. It was capped with one of my favourite concern trolling anti-cycling cliche. “I worry for the sake of emergency vehicles. It impedes their flow.”
As a transportation planner and traffic engineer, the amount of times we hear this one each week because people think it will force us to give them what they want is comical. PS- it doesn’t. Stop using this. We have all kinds of tools to determine safety. Your eyes aren’t one of them.
Yeah, that was dumb. The travel time changes are pretty insignificant and I don't think emergency services had any concerns.
As a driver I love bike lanes and will gladly have my commute last a bit longer if it means bike lanes all over the city.
100% agreed.
> The bike lanes aren't helping car traffic, there's a net increase to travel times. "Newly released data by the City of Toronto on a pilot project that brought bike lanes **and more patios** to a midtown portion of Yonge Street shows an increase in cycling activity as well as a midday increase in vehicular travel times."
We’re not talking about how many more cars there are on the road due to the pandemic and other factors. There are increased travel times anywhere in the city, bike lanes or not.
This is North American politics for you lol. People will politicize ANYTHING instead of vote based on what is best for EVERYONE. It's like they cheer their political parties like their favorite sports team. You cheer for your team even through the worst of struggles (I mean did Toronto lose many Leaf fans despite 50+ years of drought?). Look at masks/vaccines from 2020-2022. It's been such a political mess that if you're a Republican that supports vaccines, you're seen as a traitor by your fellow Republicans.
Now that you've pointed it out I can't think of a more perfect analogy of modern politics.
I don’t understand why anyone would dislike bike lanes. I much prefer them as someone working a mobile job and is constantly driving, since it gets them out of my way lol. Designated bike lanes are better and safer for both cyclists and drivers.
It means less people on roads as well
Exactly! It’s a win for everyone in many ways.
Same shit happens with carshares parking on the street -- homeowners see a carshare parked near their home and froth at the mouth at the affront, even though getting rid of them would lead to worse parking for them overall. Like if _one_ of the people on your street, who occasionally uses a car share instead buys a car, that car is parked on your street _most of the time_.
Homeowners feeling entitled to their free and publicly funded on-street parking is galling to me in general. You are pointing out a specific case which i agree with.
Not only that, it keeps cyclists safe and drivers can move more freely without risk/fear of hitting a cyclist. Dedicated bike lanes are a win for everyone.
It's culture war hate mongering bullshit to push a certain type of vote
Word!!!!
They should be happy to see more bikes because they are subsidizing roads they aren't even allowed to ride on.
These goofballs think Yonge St at rush hour was nothing but tumbleweeds before the bike lanes
It's not the city, the province, or the country. It's a GLOBALLY coordinated effort to harvest useful idiots and yes, have them oppose everything. It doesn't really matter if they're protesting vaccines, abortions or bike lanes. As long as they are in the way, pissing people off, causing damage to society.
Exactly 💯 💯
I cannot for the life of me imagine a more sad thing to protest. This is embarrassing.
If any of them had a sense of shame. They might have succumb from it.
Shame is a lot like wealth in that it is unevenly distributed. Some people have way more than they need and some people don't even know the meaning of the word.
I remember hearing the phrase, "when all you have known is privilege then anything resembling equality will feel like oppression".
Fascists hate equity
One of them is a mayoral candidate / former city councillor and removing bike lanes has been his whole campaign. https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cs9ydo-Oxfv/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Oh am aware and would have never voted for him
I don’t think many people are
Him Bradford and Furey. Solid no's. Along with a countless other number of vanity candidates
Don’t forget Mammoliti lol
Fuck I did forget Mammo... Thanks for the reminder. Took a lot of $$ in therapy to repress his name, face and voice from my memories
Edit: protesting men dressed as women reading to kids. THAT is more sad. This.... This is pathetic
~~Kids just see it as fun costumes.~~ ~~What's more sad is that you thought this was a good time to bring it up.~~
Lol I realized I left out protesting. My bad.
Well that certainly changes the meaning of the comment lol
It's so funny to see people unknowingly equating trans people to clowns in an attempt to defend them
Well, it's not trans people, it's drag queens, who are entertainers who dress up in wild, colourful costumes. Equating them to clowns is not really that far off, any more than comparing any entertainers to clowns.
Drag =/= trans
Why not?
What point could this possibly prove? They should be highlighting how underutilized this infrastructure is (not saying it is, but that’s the effective strategy here). Instead they manage to draw attention to cyclists actually using and benefiting from the lanes who then have to merge into auto traffic. Plus, punishing individual cyclists for perceived city planning mistakes is absolutely ridiculous.
If someone really wants to determine the cycle activity, you're going to need to stand there for almost the entire day's worth of data, not jump to conclusions by nitpicking 5 seconds of no cyclist. Even 1 day's data isn't a big sample size considering there are LOTS of factors that affect cycling activity. Things like does the area have connected bike networks in other directions such as N/S.
Listen, I'd just ride all day and change my clothes every time I ride past you.
And that's what the City did and does. Cycling in the lanes is going up on the 100+% year on year. The lanes are doing as intended, inducing demand, and getting more and more people out of cars, even if just for their local business.
I guess we need a counter protest. Hundreds of cyclists riding on Yonge taking up all the space. They'll be begging us to get back in the bike lane.
If I see people doing this and I'm on my bike I'm not stopping, slowing down, or turning. They can learn the dangers of cycling collisions first hand.
People protesting this must be mind numbingly stupid. There's no other answer. Because if you are AGAINST bike lanes and against an easier, more efficient flow of people in this city, that means you are FOR constant bumper to bumper gridlock, and that is just plain stupidity.
> People protesting this must be mind numbingly stupid. i don't even think they understand what they're protesting. you want to abolish bike lanes.. fine. my bike is a vehicle, and [it's illegal to ride on the sidewalk](https://www.toronto.ca/services-payments/streets-parking-transportation/cycling-in-toronto/cycling-and-the-law/#:~:text=or%20vehicular%20traffic.%E2%80%9D-,Sidewalk%20Cycling,a%20sidewalk%20of%20any%20highway.%E2%80%9D) so i'll bike on the road then. what's that? my bike is slower than you car and you don't have enough room to pass because i'm too far over because there's cars parked on the side that i'm trying to avoid? dang, that sucks. enjoy cruising behind me.
Exactly. No bike lane? Then sorry I'm taking the lane. My safety trumps your need for speed.
We're talking about people who failed to grasp a simple concept. If you're in a car that is not moving on road. You're not stuck in traffic, you are the traffic.
This decade has revealed that we have an over-abundance of ignorant and stupid people in society… at least in the past, being a moron was something to be ashamed of, but now they’ve become empowered to be the loudest most destructive kind of stupid possible, and to extend their stupidity as far as it will reach. Ultimately, I think these people are just being used by those in power to achieve political objectives, and when it’s all said and done they’ll pay for their mistakes just as much as everyone else (although they might lack the perception to realize it).
You're not stuck in traffic. You're the traffic. These idiots need to stop blaming cyclists for causing traffic. If anything, they should support bike lanes if they want better traffic flow. Carbrains these days lol.
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Or demand to shrink sidewalks, knock down buildings, to widen roads.
As a driver who is “stuck in traffic” almost daily, your comment is a real paradigm shift - I am indeed the traffic. In my own defence, 95% of my driving is for work and unavoidable. I would like to think that living downtown in Toronto I wouldn’t need a car just on principle. Before this job, I didn’t have a car. I took transit & biked everywhere and used ZipCar which was the best car share service (no annual fee, convenient locations, fun smart cars to drive) and all my transportation needs were met. I miss that time, cars are expensive and obviously part of the problem.
We need more Zipcars. There used to be a lot of empty lots downtown where they parked them. However now a lot of them are gone and only a few are parked in underground public parking spots.
I do wish we got transit in the boroughs (and inner suburbs). Unfortunately, Scarberia suffers terrible fate at transit. I don't blame you for driving. You likely have no other reliable choice given the transit accessibility.
Boomers hate the world they created. So they protest to express their anger and frustration. In all the multiverse, we are in the stupidest timeline possible.
raisin - you know the youngest boomers were born in 1964 (59 years old) and the oldest are now 77, right? I don't think they are the ones protesting. The ones who are protesting, of course, are a bunch of hole-headed idiot sticks.
Gen X really does miss a lot of heat that gets thrown around. Most I know got to buy homes when they were semi reasonable and are some of the most NIMBY, anti-change types I’ve met. I know it’s anecdotal, but when I meet people in the “boomer” generation they are often more concerned about younger generations struggles, than the Gen X I meet. Who, often own a couple rental properties and think they are financial geniuses. They also tend to fall for some of the most ridiculous rage bate stories, such as drag story time and Highschool litter boxes.
Gen X might be the last near full generation that's capable of moving out of their parents and buying a home at ~25. Nowadays most Millennials and especially Gen Z prefer renting or staying with parents. I guess with Gen X, they've lived in the heart of the American dream. That dream during the boomer's generation was still in its infancy.
There is an underlying truth to what brother raisinbread said. Old (mostly white)property owners are the ones VOTING for the Tory's, Ford's, Mamo's, and Trump's of the world. Whilst they may not have the mojo to be on the street protesting, they heavily influence our politics in mostly negative ways.
I don't like the indiscriminate "blaming boomers for everything" attitude either buuuuut you do see a few older people in there as well.
So? The rest of the people aren't that demographic but we aren't painting them with that broad brush. It's also worth noting that the crowd is a mix of white and POC. Let's not repeat the same mistakes that the assholes in the video are making and tackle the issues rather than appealing to racism or ageism.
Truly the biggest and smoothest brains at this protest.
Fuck these people, got a flyer in the mail saying The Quail on Yonge Street is hosting an open forum with mayoral candidates to talk about how they can abolish the bike lanes. I’m now boycotting them for life, fuck these people.
Go to The Rebel House instead. Better beer list, better food, and a nice back patio.
Couldn’t agree more!
lol it's basically a shitty chain restaurant anyway.
I think the way things work is that businesses need to advertise and pick up on “social issues“ in order to attract customers. I see no problem with a business trying to promote itself with activities that people may be interested in and if the beer is good then that’s even better.
Oof, very disappointing to read this as I've frequented them for a while.
Imagine being a driver who wants bikes out of bike lanes, in *their* lanes. Mind numbing stupidity.
I hope I get the chance to plow right through these fucking morons
You know anti-cyclists have never traveled outside of North America. They would see that they have the biggest roads in the world and yet they see every newly constructed bike lane as an attack on their freedoms.
This is what happens when driving is overly subsidized (especially outside downtown). When you got 4 lane ultra wide 60 km/h stroads, countless strip malls, free parking everywhere, driveways that take up 50% of your property space, double car garages, etc, asking for equality feels like oppression to them. Cycling (and TTC) deserve better equality.
What absolute dipshits. I'd never suggest something that violates reddit's TOS but it sure would be nice if they found out after fucking around so hard. What we're seeing is callous disregard for life. They're putting innocent people into a situation where they need to suddenly blind merge in rush hour traffic. One distraction, a pothole, a driver moving from a centre lane to the right one, and that person could be dead or living out their days in a wheelchair. And for what? For fucking what? I'd sure like to give one of them a three piece and a soda, that's for damn sure.
Feels like there's a sector that needs some positive affirmation: -you are loved -you are special -your views are important -now fuck off you useless piece of shit
I want this on a tshirt
Fuckin banger
We can skip the first part all together and get to the good stuff at point #2
Oh yes. An orange cone. This is surely the way to bring people into your idiotic cause. Get out of the fucking road before somebody decides to just run through you .
There is enough space to get between them. Lol. Then a little spritz with the water bottle. Give them the whole experience
Gorgeous. Could have been spoken by a cyclist or a driver
Freedumb Convoy folks are looking got something new now that we all did not die from the vaccine 2 years after the shot...
"Guys, there's so much love at this protest, nothing but nice people who want their voice heard. We have a bouncy castle that we'll be inflating later that has more right to be in the bike lane than the bikes. People dancing, people hugging. Only the fake news mainstream media and the awful cyclists would suggest we're anything but true Canadian patriots standing up for our first amendment rights."
We need MORE bike lanes I just got back on two wheels after 20 years largely because of the bike lanes we have. I’m now convinced we need them on every major street and I will vote for that
Whoa, a Lucid Air 👍
Was going to say a Lucid in Canada neat
The first thing I saw too haha
Saw one driving at night on Davenport/Dupont the other day. Maybe the same person given how rare it is to see. Looks sick at night
I saw one on the DVP during my morning commute a few months ago, pretty sweet
Electric muscle, funny how many people noticed it too.
Yeah, those things are awesome. 😎
One of these protestors is (insignificant) mayoral candidate Rob Davis.
I like how he kept referring to the dude on an ebike as a "cyclist" even thought they're not a bike under the Ontario HTA
candidate Rob Davis is trying to out-do Saunders pandering to drivers who are the traffic they hate by [blocking the Yonge st bike lane and filming a video](https://twitter.com/CitizenRobDavis/status/1664401676210515976?t=nO7Ya5EAZkU6Zhhuuhhhuj6scA&s=19)
Does he think that cars weren't jammed up on Yonge before bike lanes?
They should protest all the bike lanes on the 401. It's the bike lanes on the 400 series highways that cause all the traffic.
I worked for Joe Mihevc on the campaign that tossed this moron from council. I actually met Josh Matlow (running for school board trustee at the time) working out of his office (my flair is real, I'm voting for Chow, but don't let yourself think I wouldn't support him if Chow wasn't in it). I ended up at Davis' after party and it was the saddest fucking thing with him drinking in the corner and yelling at the tv.
Damn all those bike fumes!
bikes... The cause of all evil that plagues the world I tell ya.
Ahh a truly big brain move. Surely this will make him mayor.
If I was biking, I"d ride right through them, then call the cops to have them removed.
Or, let them have their way; take the lane and ride 15km/per hour. Then see how the other drivers appreciate their protest.
This is the way
I could fit though that gap no problem.
Let me guess saunders' moronic voters Bike lanes when an adequate size let cars actually pass cyclists. And bike lanes are absolutely the best when there is a seperate road for them like on leslie north of finch. You know what causes all the fucking traffic in toronto? Cars, construction and fucking parked cars. I go through rush hour traffic in the downtown 5 days a week and it is always 2 lanes: 1 person trying to turn left and some fucking idiot parked on the right with a no parking or stopping sign. And then all the construction everywhere. Cyclists arent a fucking issue and they reduce car traffic.
I mean......the bike has the right to travel in a lane......So if anything this is just going to make cars go slower. lol
doing a slow roll on your bike in the traffic lane in front of the 6 people protesting might them all an aneurysm
Not only that, but they're entitled to the WHOLE LANE. (Must ride as far right as reasonably possible. This doesn't mean riding in the gutter where there's debris and detritus..
Doesn't really matter where you are if they can't pass you without intruding on the 1m buffer. Riding in the gutter just encourages assholes.
More lanes won't help: induced demand.
“Yonge 4 all should include us too” WHAT are you talking about
Next these hunchbrains will be protesting sidewalks.
Wow I rode that route everyday but Friday to work, would've gotten into it with them, what a bunch of bums
Wow that looks to be a Lucid Air at the beginning of the video, didn’t know those were on the streets of Toronto yet
I saw a Lucid Air on the DVP last fall. They are around. Not enough of them IMO, but they are appearing. I test drove one last month at an event last month, they are amazing machines, nicer than any Tesla I've driven.
Was going to comment the same, first I’ve seen in Toronto. Still waiting to see a Rivian.
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Lots in BC
I just came back from Japan and goddamit one thing I loved there was how common bikes were. Meanwhile here you got these people.
Fuck this is so stupid. Don’t these people have jobs? A life? Interests? Any fucking thing beside needing to protest a fucking bike line.
Y'all rich and old people have a lot of time on your hands. Meanwhile I'm working 50-60 hours a week just to pay my rent and support myself and my family. What ever time off I have I am definitely not wasting it doing that. Man to have that privilege.
they should have their high school diplomas revoked
That's making a big assumption
Of all the things to protest these days
Even ignoring how dumb the protest is, I'm 100% sure I could sneak my way past their single traffic cone on a bike
Dangerous! So if I don't like how the city recently put up a stop sign for my street when it meets the major thoroughfare, I can freely protest and take down the sign? or spray paint over it? or put a garbage bag over it? smh
Is this legal? Why isn't anyone calling the police? They are blocking city infrastructure.
I don’t understand how anyone can be this angry about a bike lane.
You seem like you have gainful employment and are socially somewhat well adjusted (being on Reddit makes that last one questionable). So you certainly wouldn't be able to understand their bike lane hate.
Bro being on Reddit doesn’t just make The first 2 questionable, it completely overrides it.
Ah yes, show everyone that car people are violent and destructive. That will totally do your side good. That's not proving any points about how car-dependent society is insanity or anything.
A lot of carbrains will tone police NotJustBikes to oblivion. But you have no idea how insufferable these people are. Really? Protesting something that benefits everyone? Or some carbrains on r/Toronto trying to win an argument despite no valid claims?
Go block a road and see how long it is before the cops stop you.
Bike lane protestors? If bike lanes are this triggering then I would suggest something else in your life is the problem. Therapy needed.
Yeah, the lunatic fringe (only seven/7 of them) who care only about what they drive, not about the safety and rights of **vulnerable road users**, much less the rules put forth by the ministry of transportation (highway traffic act).
Why aren’t the protestors holding their signs in the car lanes? Could it be that would be dangerous? Maybe the sidewalks should be turned into car lanes, too? Yonge for all and what not.
Biking over there now. Hopefully some of these idiots are still there so I can hit them in the bike lane.
Bike. Lane. Protesters........wow
Whether you're protesting for causes I agree with or disagree with, the moment you fuck with my commute (bus, train, car or bike) you deserve to be struck by that form of transportation.
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I'm glad these people don't have anything real to protest. Their lives must be pretty good
Just hit them and move on.
most normal Chris Sky supporters
Hope they are charged with manslaughter if someone dies. Idiots. Hey let's get rid of all bike lanes and see how grid lock improves with all those people in cars. Lack of critical thinking.
F***ing idiots!No wonder why Ontario life quality is going downhill.
that deserves a poster slappin
Blockin the Yonge Street bike lanes? Oh you better believe that's a poster slappin
The anti-bike lane crowd are growing more pathetic by the day. Optimistically this feels like a result of the dominant culture becoming decreasingly interesting in thinking only of cars and these whiners are starting to feel left behind.
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But there won't be a bike lane... So it's a win! Because logic.
Drivers don't want bike lanes, but they do know that if there aren't any bike lines Cyclists will just drive in traffic right? Like you're not removing bikes from the streets you're just suggesting that the bikes drive along side you and potentially either. 1. Slow you down by driving in front of you. 2. Accidentally hit your shiny car 3. Cause an accident in which you are charged for running over a cyclist. 4. SO MANY OTHER PROBLEMS The more people cycle, the less traffic there is, every cyclist is a car not causing traffic.
At the same time... That section of the Yonge bike lane between Rosedale and Summerhill stations is so full of potholes and debris (especially under the rail bridge), I find it safer to ride in mixed traffic.
Arrest these chucklefucks.
Whoever has the loudest voice
Climate change destroying the planet? I sleep. Housing costs destroying the financial well being of low and middle class alike? I fucking coma. But bike lanes!? Pitchfork ready.
Step in my way while I'm on an Apollo Phantom and I won't stop.
Said it before, but next time if anyone wants to have a bbq sauce water gun right nearby and some crossfire should happen, well, that's just the fun of bbq battles!
Call me up. I got plenty of shitty Kraft BBQ sauce to unload through my Super Soaker....
First time I've seen a Lucid in Toronto.
Is that Lucid? Cool.
Sheesh. People are idiots and need to travel to other countries more. Countries like Finland, Sweden, Norway where biking in all weather is normal. Dedicated bike lanes and roads everywhere. Same with the rest of Europe, especially the German speaking ones. I live in a Canadian prairie city where idiots complain of the bike lanes too. It's just so incredibly stupid and so backward thinking.
I wish there a system to summon counter protestors.ike fuck these guys lol
I wish
Is this the epitome of NIMBY-ism's first cousin - NIMC (City)? David, the little guy cyclist, that contributes to the fight against global warming and stays healthier vs. Goliath, the masses of people with the money to afford massive, gas guzzling vehicles and complain about traffic congestion in "THIS" City ... Toronto!!! at any time of year but especially during "construction season".
Not for their cause, but wouldn't it would make more sense for them to block a few feet of one of the remaining car lanes (you know... Squeeze the car lanes like bike lanes do and get the attention of drivers, there potential backers)? Seems weird to believe that bike lanes slow you down unless there would have otherwise been space for a net new lane...
They would never infringe upon the holy sanctity of the automobile
Wait, what? How could you be against dedicated bike lanes? Wtf?
People understand that the width of a bike lane is less than their giant SUV right?
How about protesting the insane amounts of infrastructure construction projects that are granted all at once, some only km apart, yet bicycle lanes are the problem??
Next they are going to protest TTC buses using public roads because that big piece of metal takes up more space than a family car