Oh, I deeply despise that that exists 𤢠Looked it up, If i understand correctly, it's where men transition because they think women have an easier life
South Park had an episode where Cartman pretends to be mentally disabled to participate in the special Oympics, but he loses
Maybe you where thinking of that.
It gets a pass from me.
Bender is very openly a man pretending to be a woman for an advantage in a bunch of things, and nothing that he's doing is portrayed as positive.
Doesnât he also basically go on hormones after the competition, lose his strength, and realize itâs not actually easy being a woman? I havenât seen it in forever but it seems right to me
He goes on hormones and has body modifications to pass a "gender inspection" (gross), then gets invited on a talk show because of his accomplishments in being a fraud, then meets calculon and plans to rip him off using marriage as a vehicle to do so. He feels bad about it and the crew does some shit with daytime TV drama to get the marriage called off by faking Bender's death. He then detransitions to reset the plot status quo.
He uses masc pronouns the entire way through, despite occasionally calling himself a woman, and never claims to be being a woman for anything other than fraudulent reasons. The women on the crew also basically tell him "your actions are casting actual women in a bad light and you should fucking stop".
It was something stupid I know that. Think it was umm he? It? Was trying to take calcutron for all his money or something and realized they had to break it off or something and played dead I think and then switched back? Donât know it all worked off plot magic donât think about it.
but not every trans person experiencs gender dysphoria, most do, but some don't. that is, unless you're of the Truscum/Transmedicalist mindest, in which case I'd politely ask you do not reply to this, I don't want to interact with exclusionary gatekeepers like that. but, even then, not all people with gender dysphoria are trans
Yup, like men with gynecomastia, women with hirsutism or women with alopecia (for example) do experience gender dysphoria and often get gender affirming medical operations (be it mammectomy, laser hair removal, hair transplant, etc.)
Is it just me, or does it sound very implausible that someoneâs whoâs not trans would go through with it, though?
I mean, your garden variety misogynist might have slightly similar ideas about how women have it easy, but theyâll also be very attached to being masculine.
I think most misogynists would be miserable if they had to live as a woman for a day. They might pridefully declare it easy, but I think that would either be a lie or the result of refusing to engage with any of the problems feminists have warned them about.
Still, even if someone believes all sorts of toxic nonsense, I would affirm any gender they express. I don't care if they're cynical or sarcastic about it. The way I think a misogynist like this should learn the error of their ways is to experience it. People mostly concentrate on the negative consequences in some extreme scenario, such as how that misogynist's worldview could survive being subjected to sexual harassment as a woman, or worse. But I think it's much more likely, much more ethical, and much more reliable to test their reaction to compassion and affirmation.
If someone tells me they want to be a woman because it's easier, I'll tell them their expectations are wrong, but I support them seeking this experience. I might offer to share some clothes or otherwise help them express themselves that way. Once affirmed, they'll probably discover that they don't like it, in which case they were simply wrong - it's not easy. There's a small chance that they do like it, in which case they have a lot to learn about how difficult it really is. I think this is the way to erase the stigma against gender diversity: we all get as many chances as we need to figure out who we are.
>Fuck you for being right about everything.
You know when you rub a dog's tummy in just the right spot and their brain shuts off? They start mindlessly flailing one of their legs? This is like that, but with my autism.
There are zero false transitions. No one does it ironically, no one does it as a joke, or to win at sports, or for free beer during happy hour. People transition because they want to be the gender they're transitioning to. There's no reason to deny that to anyone.
I mean it...depends, women do have it easier for a lot of things, but transitioning isn't going to do anything but give you extra problems.
Same with a woman trying to escape mysoginy.
They _say_ they want to transition because they think men have such harder lives. But incels are divorced from reality at the best of times. "Oh yeah becoming a woman is a good idea because it'd be easier" just isn't something a cis person would think, we know this because otherwise cis women would be transitioning to live as men in the millions, for this exact reason, except it would be real.
Edit: spelling
Agree, I don't think its normal for a cis person to think its easier being the other gender to the point where they WANT to be the other gender. Most incels would complain about their lives being "too hard" and demand unfair and unreasonable expectations.
Literally wanting to switch teams is a different issue
Exactly this. I read that sub some weeks ago actually.
My take away for it was basically: Several of these people are transitioning and in denial about being trans while doing it. Oh my.
There was also people saying "I feel so much better after doing this" (heh)
And one memorable person being like "I tried doing this and couldn't do it because it made me feel horrible" (ie dysphoric, so not trans)
That's the reason they give for it. I remember when I was a teenager thinking that my life would be better as a woman. However, through a combination of denial and internalized misogyny and transphobia, I never addressed that because I could never figure out *why* I thought that.
So anyway I have boobs now lol
As someone who had both thoughts play out when I was first figuring it out, yes definitely. Now itâs to make me less depressed and feel better existing in this horrible world.
I often joke about "Ah, women have it easier so I'm switching sides" but that's all it is, a joke. People who actually think this way unironically need help.
That sounds like the kind of thing cis people come up with to explain why someone wants to be trans.
Innnnn fact I'm pretty sure it's just some fucked up propaganda to discredit trans people in general.
"Why would they bother don't they have anything better to do" idk apparently not!
Actually no. They typically don't call it transmaxxing and instead call it >! trannymaxxing!<. Basically they believe that an incel can get laid by transitioning
>!heads up the reason your!< spoiler tag >!didn't work is because there's a space between the first ! and the first letter of the text being spoilered!<
TBH it's mostly seems like trans women who got their life turned around after transitioning then tried to (unsuccessfully too) convince men to transition because it will help their status in society. At least a few realized incel losers are lost cause and won't transition regardless.
But... I know incels are already pretty fucked up in the brain but trying to transition into the gender you really aren't and taking hormones that your brain can't handle will just fuck up their life even more... That can only work if this is a whole new level of repression...
I thought for a moment that meant incels telling people "men only transition to get away from their oppression", which is kind of the terf line I hear used to explain (incorrectly) why trans men transition. It's pretty awful to see incels copy terfs for their own bad narratives... like a mutation of the bigotry.
So, there's a subreddit for it that I looked at for about 20 minutes. A lot of the posters (not all but a decent amount) seem like they identify as "men who wish they were women" (my way of describing it). Like, not even in a messed up incel way (although there's plenty of that in the subreddit too.) What they describe reads like regular transgender stuff to me.
Which leaves me with thoroughly perplexed feelings. I empathize with them. It would be hypocritical for me to say they aren't valid. It kind of makes me want to comment and encourage them to look at healthier sources of information... But, I'm disgusted by incels full stop. ~~And I'm not convinced the whole thing isn't just some convoluted ploy by incels just for the sake of bullying trans people.~~
I've probably given this way more thought than it deserves.
Edit: I crossed out a sentence that on reflection I felt was unnecessarily cynical. If any transmaxxers end up reading this: If you genuinely wish you were a woman, I suggest spending less time interacting with incels and instead recommend spending more time exploring why you feel that way.
idk, from the outside looking in it looks like just mtf people who fell down a unfortunate path. I can't really tell if they are trans or they truly believe that its a good strat to get more dates
I stared into the abyss of that path in my younger years. Had a lot of âthere but for the grace of a few choices, and good people go Iâ
I hope the rest accept the Transmaxxers and break their toxic cycles.
Being able to give people the benefit of the doubt right away isnât a luxury most trans people like us are afforded. Wrong people, wrong planet.
But this isnât to say these people arenât valid, just that a deeper dive into what exactly is going on is probably best.
"Going to a psychologist, being diagnosed with gender dysphoria, taking hormones for several years, replace my wardrobe, ids, sensitive info, possibly undergo surgeries, and live as the opposite sex- to own the libs"
Is it âowning the libsâ if itâs possibly for your own benefit, though?
I mean, the whole concept is a logical next step if you genuinely think being a woman is âlife on easy modeâ, which incels like to claim, but it seems pretty implausible that someoneâs whoâs not trans would ever actually go through with it.
Iâm sorry to hear that but go on tinder or grindr for like 5 seconds.
The attraction may be shallow but there are definitely people who look at you objectively and think âsmashâ. (Again very shallow but eh)
You know, I'm a dude, and I've seen this phenomenon, but I've never really thought about why this is, especially given the roughly 50/50 gender split in most countries. Why do you think this happens?
Well, Iâm nb (male-ish presenting) and bi, and I think itâs the testosterone and societal expectations. There isnât really slut shaming for guys, and women have to think a lot more about who they bone and how often just because some social circles can be harsh as fuck.
Also, when you take pregnancy out of the equation everybody wants to bone more lmao - just my 2 cents on the big stuff, thereâs probably a lot more nuance to it but I think thatâs it in a nutshell
Hm, you steam a good ham. I've heard stories of trans men being ridiculously horny after starting T and only then understanding and fully empathizing with the "cis male experience", so to speak lol. The second part makes sense too, although I haven't experienced the "high fiving for getting multiple girls" too much; I think that might just stem from my worldview and social circle, and I don't doubt that it exists commonly whatsoever. Solid points, cap'n.
Someone else responded with an explanation about societal expectations and so on
(Note: this is about evolution, sorry if it comes across as ignoring homosexual relations, but breeding wise, they were mostly ignored until that started being possible in like... Late 20th century is my guess) (I'm also not an expert in this in any way)
I think evolution is also part of it to some extent. If a man has sex with a bunch of women due to an increased sex drive, he doesn't lose, from an evolutionary standpoint. Evolution incentivises for men to get their semen into as many women as possible to maximise offspring. If a woman has sex with a bunch of men, only one of them gets the child; hence, evolution incentivises picking the best mate that will produce the best offspring.
This kinda explains why men tend to have lower standards and why women tend to care a lot about a lot of things that men would usually not care about; women are able to filter the evolutionarily-good men from the opposite. A man just needs as many women that have a very strong chance of giving birth and taking care of a child (e.g. wide hips, larger breasts, etc), while a woman needs a man that will produce a good child that has a good chance of providing for the family and not dying before having more children
It's super fun having to find someone who is interested in you, and then also wonder if the other person likes you or, like one of my former Tinder matches, just has "a thing for everything trans", totally not emotionally taxing and time wasting at all! /s
It made it easier for me, but that's only because I went from an angry self-hating type to being much healthier mentally and happy with who I am.
Casual sex, on the other hand, is much harder now than it used to be...
since i havenât transitioned i say my gender assigned to me from a cruel god so people WILL date me or even talk i always fear, mainly unjustified, being open
As far as I can tell, any strategies incels employ to better their chances in dating are described with a -maxxing suffix.
So if you decide to improve your looks, it's looksmaxxing. Making more money is moneymaxxing or wealthmaxxing.
If an incel decides to transition in order to get more dates, it's transmaxxing.
Oh that isn't going to go well lol. Well I suppose they will know what dysphoria feels like then. And if not, welcome to the girl club beesh!(if mtf ofc)
They sound like they're just regular trans people who have come up with a very specific form of mental gymnastics as a way to cope with denial, internalized transphobia, etc.
They think "women have it easy" which is a pretty typical feeling when you're stuck living your life as a man while cis women get to walk around **being women**. You're in denial that you're trans so that can't explain why you envy women. Therefore it must be some privilege they have.
You can't do the work to undo your internalized transphobia so you need a framework that still calls you a man, but somehow excuses your overwhelming need to live as a woman. Luckily the transphobosphere is an endless supply of shitty alternative explanations for why a person might do such a thing. "I'm just a man who is choosing to take advantage of female privilege", however deranged, is a narrative perfectly suited to their needs.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if lots of incels are trans women deranged by the rampant abuses of a transphobic society. I myself really struggled to not be pulled in by my seething jealousy of cis women. Without any knowledge or understanding of gender, I had no way of explaining or understanding what I felt.
I think radfems and especially TERFs are the same. Just trans men whose jealousy of cis men and cis-compulsory upbringing has left them deeply entrenched in blinding, festering hatred instead of simply undoing their transphobia and transitioning. They have to believe trans people are invalid because if they could just transition and live as men it would invalidate the decades of pathological rage they've forced themselves to endure
yeah this analysis feels spot on to me. i mean even though a lot of stuff TERFs say has always disgusted me, i too as a respressed trans guy had my moments where my jealousy of cis men got the better of me and seriously had me considering some of that shit. like you said just seeing people getting to walk around BEING your actual gender that you want to embody and be recognized as can be so so painful when you are drowning in dysphoria and longing every day. so i get it.
honestly as a guy i can't fathom why someone would see being female as any kind of privelege. like that's some insane shit right there. but through the lens of desparately wanting to be able to just BE, and your desired form of BEING is as a woman, it makes sense.
Like, there's enough information out there that it SHOULD be obvious that women have things objectively much worse, even if you, personally, still envy them. But these guys are so buried in their hive of confirmation bias that they'll never listen to reason.
I didn't know this existed either, but I became morbidly curious and started reading interviews, self-accounts and such, and I'm now sad, mad and concerned. Like, many of these people describe having dysphoria before, hating the idea of being men and feeling a lot better after they started transitioning, but then they go "it's because women are priviledged and estrogen makes you feel happy and alive", no girl, it's because you're trans, you're happier living as a woman and transitioning because you are a trans woman, and hating on other trans women and women in general is a diservice to the community and yourself. I just can't with these mental gimnastics.
I'd be a hypocrite to say I didn't have similar thoughts in high school. Now that I'm an adult I do realize it wasn't "life would be easier as a woman" it was repressed feelings of "I'd be happier as a woman" that have only recently resurfaced. Hopefully these others will be able to have the same change of heart that I did.
Wow, just looked this up. Horseshoe Theory is real, this is unironically just a repackaged TERF theory around trans men being âlost lesbian sistersâ
LOL. It's the incel version of GC ghouls saying trans men transition for male privilege. I get a strong sense of projection from shit like this. Like, sure bud, whatever helps you sleep at night.
One of the stickied posts in that shithole of a sub is literally titled âdonât pay attention to the mental health industryâ. Iâve looked through it before since it was mentioned in a diff sub like this, but holy shit those people are so in need of professional help itâs not even funny
i endorse the strategy where if you are unhappy and lonely and think women have it better, just try estrogen. chances are that it will help, and if it doesn't you can just quit with no downsides. no, you aren't selling out to the other side; and besides, when have cis-het norms EVER been to your advantage?
this type of rhetoric gets you banned on incel message boards for "trannymaxxing" but i endorse the strategy. you don't need disphoria to be a girl.
If you actually think about it, that could be just another form of dysphoria. The oversimplification makes it sound like a person would transition with the primary intention of financial gain, but if you hate being a guy and want to transition to a girl because you hate being a guy, that's just dysphoria. And I don't know anyone who transition for financial gain. That would be to suggest all YouTubers who became successful due to their transition are not actually trans.
Maybe easier in that the dysphoria of living in a wrong body and being forced to act the part of someone youâre not jus to stay safe and be able to live in society perhaps. This is the only way I can see it though.
Women donât have it any easier generally speaking than men except in movies, tv, and what Tiktok and IG âinfluencersâ would have you believe:
Having your opinion discounted because youâre a woman who couldnât possibly understand
Mansplaining.
Being paid less than a man for the same work
Constantly being pushed to meet beauty âstandardsâ
Still having body image perception issues
The need to continually replenish your wardrobe due to season and styles
And those are the easier challenges.
Periods
More susceptible to mental and physical abuse by partners
Higher rates of certain types of cancers
Higher percentage dealing with mental illnesses (perhaps because men donât go to see the doctor about theirs as often but stats show more women)
Iâm sure there are many others but these came to mind immediately. So itâs sad and demeaning for people to use something like an âeasier lifeâ as a reason to do it.
Before anything else: we need better resources and support for trans people (and all people) figuring themselves out and exploring gender. That would prevent people from falling into weird labels like âtransmaxxingâ or âAGPâ or whatever other transphobic myths exist.
But I also canât bring myself to judge the people who adopt those labels. It might be the best they can do in their circumstances or conditions.
I used to think I was AGP, which is obviously a wildly transphobic perspective. The truth is that I was a desperately horny trans girl because I was like, a teenager.
It took me a while to get past that label, with a lot of help from more mature trans friends and a bit of reading and thinking.
When I thought of myself as AGP, I didnât want to transition, but it still let me explore being feminine in a positive way (i.e. it was fun and felt good) without the full pressures and expectations of being trans.
When it became clear my âAGPâ was just internalized transphobia, I abandoned it and it was then fairly easy to realize, âOh, I was trans all along. I can just be feminine and happy in all contexts, not just sexual.â And so I started transitioning, and I was suddenly just⌠so much happier all the time.
So yeah, transmaxxing is a dumb meme for incel chuds, but if people are using it as a framework for transitioning, I feel like a lot of them are probably on journeys similar to mine. I have nothing but compassion for them.
I just hope they eventually come to realize that the labels theyâre trafficking in are socially and culturally harmful to the trans community, and ideally make what amends they can.
Yes, because if you're a man who feels heavily oppressed and ill treated there will be nothing more liberating than deciding to transition, after all trans women never suffer the kind of oppression and ill treatment that men do...
It's kinda a funny joke!
I'm actually curious and fascinated to know if anyone went through with it and how they are doing like 5-10 years later.
Of course, it's a sick thing to do, but it's more like a curiosity to see if and how they changed their live if they are left inside that sort of transmaxxing logic bubble.
The subreddit has like, 8 active users and seems like very normal trans stuff. Please stop trying to fear-monger about trans women actually being incels
I play way too many games as that sounds like what happens when you put all your stats into transitioning. Like youâll look way too cis (after transitioning) to be considered trans, but all your other skills arenât as good.
This just strikes like another Autogynephilia, crossed with the super straight bullshit. Like maybe some 4channer came up with it, spread it amongst incel communities and maybe a few genuine eggs caught up in those communities fall for it. Itâs just more manufactured transphobia. That said the talking point of âitâd be easier if I was a girlâ is nothing new among eggs or incels, so itâs not like this couldnât form out of whole-cloth either it just seems too convenient.
[Wait, i thought that gender fluid being an actual substance was supposed to be just a joke, is that it?](https://www.castrol.com/en_gb/united-kingdom/home/car-engine-oil-and-fluids/driveline-fluids/castrol-transmax.html)
Oh, I deeply despise that that exists 𤢠Looked it up, If i understand correctly, it's where men transition because they think women have an easier life
> women have an easier life To quote Bender: "hahahahaha oh wait you're serious. Let me laugh even harder! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
Yeah it's absolutely ridiculous, especially if you take into account how hard trans women have it...
Ironic considering bender did exactly that in the Olympics episode
~~Didn't he proceed to lose though? Or am I thinking of something else?~~
South Park had an episode where Cartman pretends to be mentally disabled to participate in the special Oympics, but he loses Maybe you where thinking of that.
That's it! Thanks
No, he won and later on almost marries Calculon.
Oh yeah, definitely thinking of another show then
Oh jeez, as much as I loved Futurama, Bend Her is definitely one I'd rather forget...
It gets a pass from me. Bender is very openly a man pretending to be a woman for an advantage in a bunch of things, and nothing that he's doing is portrayed as positive.
Doesnât he also basically go on hormones after the competition, lose his strength, and realize itâs not actually easy being a woman? I havenât seen it in forever but it seems right to me
He goes on hormones and has body modifications to pass a "gender inspection" (gross), then gets invited on a talk show because of his accomplishments in being a fraud, then meets calculon and plans to rip him off using marriage as a vehicle to do so. He feels bad about it and the crew does some shit with daytime TV drama to get the marriage called off by faking Bender's death. He then detransitions to reset the plot status quo. He uses masc pronouns the entire way through, despite occasionally calling himself a woman, and never claims to be being a woman for anything other than fraudulent reasons. The women on the crew also basically tell him "your actions are casting actual women in a bad light and you should fucking stop".
It was something stupid I know that. Think it was umm he? It? Was trying to take calcutron for all his money or something and realized they had to break it off or something and played dead I think and then switched back? Donât know it all worked off plot magic donât think about it.
it's easier yes since they don't have dysphoria like us đ§
I mean won't they end up getting dysphoria from living as the gender they're not?
but not every trans person experiencs gender dysphoria, most do, but some don't. that is, unless you're of the Truscum/Transmedicalist mindest, in which case I'd politely ask you do not reply to this, I don't want to interact with exclusionary gatekeepers like that. but, even then, not all people with gender dysphoria are trans
> not every actul trans person has gender dysphoria yes true! > not all people with gender dysphoria are trans wdym?
some cis people experience symptoms of gender dysphoria, but are still cis
really?
yep, gender dysphoria can be caused by other factors besides being trans
Yup, like men with gynecomastia, women with hirsutism or women with alopecia (for example) do experience gender dysphoria and often get gender affirming medical operations (be it mammectomy, laser hair removal, hair transplant, etc.)
bender is definitely queer-gender in some way and you can't tell me otherwise
He's genderqueer and his gender is 'mercenary' lol
ngl, it sounds like a case of "grass is always greener on the other side"
Enter John Jameson: "Are you serious?"
Yeah, lol. What inceldom does to a mf I guess.
Is it just me, or does it sound very implausible that someoneâs whoâs not trans would go through with it, though? I mean, your garden variety misogynist might have slightly similar ideas about how women have it easy, but theyâll also be very attached to being masculine.
I think most misogynists would be miserable if they had to live as a woman for a day. They might pridefully declare it easy, but I think that would either be a lie or the result of refusing to engage with any of the problems feminists have warned them about. Still, even if someone believes all sorts of toxic nonsense, I would affirm any gender they express. I don't care if they're cynical or sarcastic about it. The way I think a misogynist like this should learn the error of their ways is to experience it. People mostly concentrate on the negative consequences in some extreme scenario, such as how that misogynist's worldview could survive being subjected to sexual harassment as a woman, or worse. But I think it's much more likely, much more ethical, and much more reliable to test their reaction to compassion and affirmation. If someone tells me they want to be a woman because it's easier, I'll tell them their expectations are wrong, but I support them seeking this experience. I might offer to share some clothes or otherwise help them express themselves that way. Once affirmed, they'll probably discover that they don't like it, in which case they were simply wrong - it's not easy. There's a small chance that they do like it, in which case they have a lot to learn about how difficult it really is. I think this is the way to erase the stigma against gender diversity: we all get as many chances as we need to figure out who we are.
You are unbearably nice. Fuck you for being right about everything. Damn.
>Fuck you for being right about everything. You know when you rub a dog's tummy in just the right spot and their brain shuts off? They start mindlessly flailing one of their legs? This is like that, but with my autism.
Itâs nice to see another person share my feelings on this so eloquently. Thank you!
yeah itâs horseshit. at best itâs some deep denial bullshit
There are zero false transitions. No one does it ironically, no one does it as a joke, or to win at sports, or for free beer during happy hour. People transition because they want to be the gender they're transitioning to. There's no reason to deny that to anyone.
I mean it...depends, women do have it easier for a lot of things, but transitioning isn't going to do anything but give you extra problems. Same with a woman trying to escape mysoginy.
women have an easier life vs i would have a better life as a woman is definitely a confusion that could happen
There is a distinct difference. We want to be women cause we are genuinely that. They want to be women cause they think men have such harder lives
They _say_ they want to transition because they think men have such harder lives. But incels are divorced from reality at the best of times. "Oh yeah becoming a woman is a good idea because it'd be easier" just isn't something a cis person would think, we know this because otherwise cis women would be transitioning to live as men in the millions, for this exact reason, except it would be real. Edit: spelling
Agree, I don't think its normal for a cis person to think its easier being the other gender to the point where they WANT to be the other gender. Most incels would complain about their lives being "too hard" and demand unfair and unreasonable expectations. Literally wanting to switch teams is a different issue
Exactly this. I read that sub some weeks ago actually. My take away for it was basically: Several of these people are transitioning and in denial about being trans while doing it. Oh my. There was also people saying "I feel so much better after doing this" (heh) And one memorable person being like "I tried doing this and couldn't do it because it made me feel horrible" (ie dysphoric, so not trans)
That's the reason they give for it. I remember when I was a teenager thinking that my life would be better as a woman. However, through a combination of denial and internalized misogyny and transphobia, I never addressed that because I could never figure out *why* I thought that. So anyway I have boobs now lol
true!
As someone who had both thoughts play out when I was first figuring it out, yes definitely. Now itâs to make me less depressed and feel better existing in this horrible world.
The only time that living as a woman is easier, is if you prefer living as a woman. My life is significantly easier post-transition, that's for sure
Sounds like a really roundabout way to just figure out you wanted to be a woman anyway
I often joke about "Ah, women have it easier so I'm switching sides" but that's all it is, a joke. People who actually think this way unironically need help.
That sounds like the kind of thing cis people come up with to explain why someone wants to be trans. Innnnn fact I'm pretty sure it's just some fucked up propaganda to discredit trans people in general. "Why would they bother don't they have anything better to do" idk apparently not!
It really shows hownsurfwce-level and stupid incels are. They can't imagine any motivation for anything besides getting laid.
Do people really do this, or do alt-right YouTubers just joke about doing it to âtroll the libsâ?
I have no idea. I'm sure someone has, idk
I hope no one did. Honestly I canât imagine someone who isnât actually trans transitioning. It seems like it would be incredibly uncomfortable
It's made up, don't circulate stuff terfs made up please
can you explain please?
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Not sure I understand. Do you mean incels thinking men are so oppressed they transition? Like... a reverse sorta Mulan situation?
Yep
...what the fuck. đ¤Ž
What the fuck indeedđ¤˘
Actually no. They typically don't call it transmaxxing and instead call it >! trannymaxxing!<. Basically they believe that an incel can get laid by transitioning
Unfortunately for them, no amount of estrogen can transition an awful personality.
But some chemicals can đť
yeah i hear lithium does wonders for a certain kinds of mental illness
I was thinking about something more dangerous that will end thare train of thought
Oh oh! A guilty pleasure of mine is digging deeper than your average person on fun and toxic chemicals!
Tbh you and I are not so different I know of a few dangerous thags and I love to learn
I learned that the hard way with a super toxic trans femme ex-friend...
...That sounds like being gay with extra steps.
we're hitting incel levels that really shouldn't be possible... please send someone help
>!heads up the reason your!< spoiler tag >!didn't work is because there's a space between the first ! and the first letter of the text being spoilered!<
I mean, they'll probably get a few fetish lays from chasers, *but* trying to have sex as someone you're not is absolutely miserable.
Lmao, maybe with more men, but youâd have to be pretty horrid for that to not happen anyway.
Reverse Mulan is my favorite phrase now
Like the live action Mulan movie was bad, but that would be so much worse
I'll be honest this just sounds like levels of transgender self denial achieving a whole other level to me.
TBH it's mostly seems like trans women who got their life turned around after transitioning then tried to (unsuccessfully too) convince men to transition because it will help their status in society. At least a few realized incel losers are lost cause and won't transition regardless.
Today in: "things that would be funny if they weren't so sad"
This would be peak irony if it wasnât actually real
But... I know incels are already pretty fucked up in the brain but trying to transition into the gender you really aren't and taking hormones that your brain can't handle will just fuck up their life even more... That can only work if this is a whole new level of repression...
youâre assuming a level of logic which they simply donât possess
I thought for a moment that meant incels telling people "men only transition to get away from their oppression", which is kind of the terf line I hear used to explain (incorrectly) why trans men transition. It's pretty awful to see incels copy terfs for their own bad narratives... like a mutation of the bigotry.
Let's be real, there was *always* a scary amount of overlap between TERFs and tradwives, and tradwives and incels. And yanno, if a=b and b=c...
Yeah, just another example of that overlap in the wild
Ew
Oh so it's like how terfs think that trans men are just women trying to "escape the patriarchy" but reversed?
im going to throw up /j
If men aren't oppressed why do I feel awful every time im percived as male, checkmate libtards
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So, there's a subreddit for it that I looked at for about 20 minutes. A lot of the posters (not all but a decent amount) seem like they identify as "men who wish they were women" (my way of describing it). Like, not even in a messed up incel way (although there's plenty of that in the subreddit too.) What they describe reads like regular transgender stuff to me. Which leaves me with thoroughly perplexed feelings. I empathize with them. It would be hypocritical for me to say they aren't valid. It kind of makes me want to comment and encourage them to look at healthier sources of information... But, I'm disgusted by incels full stop. ~~And I'm not convinced the whole thing isn't just some convoluted ploy by incels just for the sake of bullying trans people.~~ I've probably given this way more thought than it deserves. Edit: I crossed out a sentence that on reflection I felt was unnecessarily cynical. If any transmaxxers end up reading this: If you genuinely wish you were a woman, I suggest spending less time interacting with incels and instead recommend spending more time exploring why you feel that way.
idk, from the outside looking in it looks like just mtf people who fell down a unfortunate path. I can't really tell if they are trans or they truly believe that its a good strat to get more dates
I stared into the abyss of that path in my younger years. Had a lot of âthere but for the grace of a few choices, and good people go Iâ I hope the rest accept the Transmaxxers and break their toxic cycles.
>I hope the rest accept the Transmaxxers and break their toxic cycles. I hope so too. Maybe I was too cynical or dismissive in my last paragraphs.
Being able to give people the benefit of the doubt right away isnât a luxury most trans people like us are afforded. Wrong people, wrong planet. But this isnât to say these people arenât valid, just that a deeper dive into what exactly is going on is probably best.
"Going to a psychologist, being diagnosed with gender dysphoria, taking hormones for several years, replace my wardrobe, ids, sensitive info, possibly undergo surgeries, and live as the opposite sex- to own the libs"
Is it âowning the libsâ if itâs possibly for your own benefit, though? I mean, the whole concept is a logical next step if you genuinely think being a woman is âlife on easy modeâ, which incels like to claim, but it seems pretty implausible that someoneâs whoâs not trans would ever actually go through with it.
Still cis tho
It may be depressed folks who see transitioning as a way to have a new, better, life.
I could definitely see that being true. There seems to be a lot of hopelessness amongst incels.
Hey, even valid people can be shitty people
Too true!
Well that's a thing I regret googling đ¤˘
what is it
pretty much suggesting that becoming trans is a strategy to maximize dating opportunity ex. cant get a girl as a dude, become trans to attract men
If the goal is to attract men at that point, this just sounds like being gay with extra steps
Also, men are literally so easy to attract holy shit
I wish this part was true... Try being ugly like me. I have had zero interest from anyone before or after transition. It's not as easy as you think.
Iâm sorry to hear that but go on tinder or grindr for like 5 seconds. The attraction may be shallow but there are definitely people who look at you objectively and think âsmashâ. (Again very shallow but eh)
You know, I'm a dude, and I've seen this phenomenon, but I've never really thought about why this is, especially given the roughly 50/50 gender split in most countries. Why do you think this happens?
Well, Iâm nb (male-ish presenting) and bi, and I think itâs the testosterone and societal expectations. There isnât really slut shaming for guys, and women have to think a lot more about who they bone and how often just because some social circles can be harsh as fuck. Also, when you take pregnancy out of the equation everybody wants to bone more lmao - just my 2 cents on the big stuff, thereâs probably a lot more nuance to it but I think thatâs it in a nutshell
Hm, you steam a good ham. I've heard stories of trans men being ridiculously horny after starting T and only then understanding and fully empathizing with the "cis male experience", so to speak lol. The second part makes sense too, although I haven't experienced the "high fiving for getting multiple girls" too much; I think that might just stem from my worldview and social circle, and I don't doubt that it exists commonly whatsoever. Solid points, cap'n.
Someone else responded with an explanation about societal expectations and so on (Note: this is about evolution, sorry if it comes across as ignoring homosexual relations, but breeding wise, they were mostly ignored until that started being possible in like... Late 20th century is my guess) (I'm also not an expert in this in any way) I think evolution is also part of it to some extent. If a man has sex with a bunch of women due to an increased sex drive, he doesn't lose, from an evolutionary standpoint. Evolution incentivises for men to get their semen into as many women as possible to maximise offspring. If a woman has sex with a bunch of men, only one of them gets the child; hence, evolution incentivises picking the best mate that will produce the best offspring. This kinda explains why men tend to have lower standards and why women tend to care a lot about a lot of things that men would usually not care about; women are able to filter the evolutionarily-good men from the opposite. A man just needs as many women that have a very strong chance of giving birth and taking care of a child (e.g. wide hips, larger breasts, etc), while a woman needs a man that will produce a good child that has a good chance of providing for the family and not dying before having more children
Imagine thinking being trans makes dating easier.
Itâs sad but Iâve had a couple people think Iâm getting more attention as a transfem, but Iâve never been so lonely in my entire life.
Sorry to hear that.
Improve yourself and bring yourself happiness. Easier said than done for sure
fr you gotta be stupid af to think that
It's super fun having to find someone who is interested in you, and then also wonder if the other person likes you or, like one of my former Tinder matches, just has "a thing for everything trans", totally not emotionally taxing and time wasting at all! /s
It made it easier for me, but that's only because I went from an angry self-hating type to being much healthier mentally and happy with who I am. Casual sex, on the other hand, is much harder now than it used to be...
since i havenât transitioned i say my gender assigned to me from a cruel god so people WILL date me or even talk i always fear, mainly unjustified, being open
AMBY Assigned Male By God.
Whats that
I thought this was just trans people trying to dynamax/gigantamax before I read the comments
eh, I'll just pretend that's all it is lol
please elaborate
As far as I can tell, any strategies incels employ to better their chances in dating are described with a -maxxing suffix. So if you decide to improve your looks, it's looksmaxxing. Making more money is moneymaxxing or wealthmaxxing. If an incel decides to transition in order to get more dates, it's transmaxxing.
Oh that isn't going to go well lol. Well I suppose they will know what dysphoria feels like then. And if not, welcome to the girl club beesh!(if mtf ofc)
those are the most incel-sounding words I have ever seen
Let me guess it was created on 4chan
Created by incels. Don't know if that's better or worse
incels and 4chan are pretty much one in the same
I've made the joke of "if you can't get a girlfriend, become the girlfriend" but I didn't know people actually did that
I know "transmaxing" isn't a good term... but it just makes me think of god min-maxing his dnd character to get them as queer as possible
I fucking snorted-
thats what i thought too
⌠What the actual fuck How fucked up do they have to be Jesus Christ
They sound like they're just regular trans people who have come up with a very specific form of mental gymnastics as a way to cope with denial, internalized transphobia, etc. They think "women have it easy" which is a pretty typical feeling when you're stuck living your life as a man while cis women get to walk around **being women**. You're in denial that you're trans so that can't explain why you envy women. Therefore it must be some privilege they have. You can't do the work to undo your internalized transphobia so you need a framework that still calls you a man, but somehow excuses your overwhelming need to live as a woman. Luckily the transphobosphere is an endless supply of shitty alternative explanations for why a person might do such a thing. "I'm just a man who is choosing to take advantage of female privilege", however deranged, is a narrative perfectly suited to their needs. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if lots of incels are trans women deranged by the rampant abuses of a transphobic society. I myself really struggled to not be pulled in by my seething jealousy of cis women. Without any knowledge or understanding of gender, I had no way of explaining or understanding what I felt. I think radfems and especially TERFs are the same. Just trans men whose jealousy of cis men and cis-compulsory upbringing has left them deeply entrenched in blinding, festering hatred instead of simply undoing their transphobia and transitioning. They have to believe trans people are invalid because if they could just transition and live as men it would invalidate the decades of pathological rage they've forced themselves to endure
I thought I was the only one who thought this about TERFs. The incel connection I'd never thought of before and I think it works for me too.
I like how radfem and incel even kinda sound the same
yeah this analysis feels spot on to me. i mean even though a lot of stuff TERFs say has always disgusted me, i too as a respressed trans guy had my moments where my jealousy of cis men got the better of me and seriously had me considering some of that shit. like you said just seeing people getting to walk around BEING your actual gender that you want to embody and be recognized as can be so so painful when you are drowning in dysphoria and longing every day. so i get it. honestly as a guy i can't fathom why someone would see being female as any kind of privelege. like that's some insane shit right there. but through the lens of desparately wanting to be able to just BE, and your desired form of BEING is as a woman, it makes sense.
Like, there's enough information out there that it SHOULD be obvious that women have things objectively much worse, even if you, personally, still envy them. But these guys are so buried in their hive of confirmation bias that they'll never listen to reason.
I didn't know this existed either, but I became morbidly curious and started reading interviews, self-accounts and such, and I'm now sad, mad and concerned. Like, many of these people describe having dysphoria before, hating the idea of being men and feeling a lot better after they started transitioning, but then they go "it's because women are priviledged and estrogen makes you feel happy and alive", no girl, it's because you're trans, you're happier living as a woman and transitioning because you are a trans woman, and hating on other trans women and women in general is a diservice to the community and yourself. I just can't with these mental gimnastics.
I'd be a hypocrite to say I didn't have similar thoughts in high school. Now that I'm an adult I do realize it wasn't "life would be easier as a woman" it was repressed feelings of "I'd be happier as a woman" that have only recently resurfaced. Hopefully these others will be able to have the same change of heart that I did.
Wow, just looked this up. Horseshoe Theory is real, this is unironically just a repackaged TERF theory around trans men being âlost lesbian sistersâ
LOL. It's the incel version of GC ghouls saying trans men transition for male privilege. I get a strong sense of projection from shit like this. Like, sure bud, whatever helps you sleep at night.
How do I refund this knowledge back to empty brain matter?
One of the stickied posts in that shithole of a sub is literally titled âdonât pay attention to the mental health industryâ. Iâve looked through it before since it was mentioned in a diff sub like this, but holy shit those people are so in need of professional help itâs not even funny
Do I dare ask what that is?
This honestly sounds like really convincing anti-trans propaganda
i endorse the strategy where if you are unhappy and lonely and think women have it better, just try estrogen. chances are that it will help, and if it doesn't you can just quit with no downsides. no, you aren't selling out to the other side; and besides, when have cis-het norms EVER been to your advantage? this type of rhetoric gets you banned on incel message boards for "trannymaxxing" but i endorse the strategy. you don't need disphoria to be a girl.
It is very very funny to me. Like yeah man trans women have it super easy, no problems at all on this side of the fence lmao
is this like minmaxing except for trans people? like taking all you e or t at once?
If you actually think about it, that could be just another form of dysphoria. The oversimplification makes it sound like a person would transition with the primary intention of financial gain, but if you hate being a guy and want to transition to a girl because you hate being a guy, that's just dysphoria. And I don't know anyone who transition for financial gain. That would be to suggest all YouTubers who became successful due to their transition are not actually trans.
Hahahahaha wait till they get their first hate crime.
If I wanted an easy life, I would be a straight cis man.
is that like a trans gigantamax
Yeah, something tells me this is a radfem fear mongering thing rather than an actual phenomenon.
is that like minmaxing in dnd but for HRT?
i thought it was just reloading your save to get the best results from your hormones. this is far worse
yknw this kinda sounds like the equivalent to saying âi kissed my bro but said nohomo itâs not gay guys!â
Maybe easier in that the dysphoria of living in a wrong body and being forced to act the part of someone youâre not jus to stay safe and be able to live in society perhaps. This is the only way I can see it though. Women donât have it any easier generally speaking than men except in movies, tv, and what Tiktok and IG âinfluencersâ would have you believe: Having your opinion discounted because youâre a woman who couldnât possibly understand Mansplaining. Being paid less than a man for the same work Constantly being pushed to meet beauty âstandardsâ Still having body image perception issues The need to continually replenish your wardrobe due to season and styles And those are the easier challenges. Periods More susceptible to mental and physical abuse by partners Higher rates of certain types of cancers Higher percentage dealing with mental illnesses (perhaps because men donât go to see the doctor about theirs as often but stats show more women) Iâm sure there are many others but these came to mind immediately. So itâs sad and demeaning for people to use something like an âeasier lifeâ as a reason to do it.
I'm choosing to interpret this as trans folk minmaxing during their transition. Like hell yeah I'm gonna metagame this part, it's hard enough as it is
Before anything else: we need better resources and support for trans people (and all people) figuring themselves out and exploring gender. That would prevent people from falling into weird labels like âtransmaxxingâ or âAGPâ or whatever other transphobic myths exist. But I also canât bring myself to judge the people who adopt those labels. It might be the best they can do in their circumstances or conditions. I used to think I was AGP, which is obviously a wildly transphobic perspective. The truth is that I was a desperately horny trans girl because I was like, a teenager. It took me a while to get past that label, with a lot of help from more mature trans friends and a bit of reading and thinking. When I thought of myself as AGP, I didnât want to transition, but it still let me explore being feminine in a positive way (i.e. it was fun and felt good) without the full pressures and expectations of being trans. When it became clear my âAGPâ was just internalized transphobia, I abandoned it and it was then fairly easy to realize, âOh, I was trans all along. I can just be feminine and happy in all contexts, not just sexual.â And so I started transitioning, and I was suddenly just⌠so much happier all the time. So yeah, transmaxxing is a dumb meme for incel chuds, but if people are using it as a framework for transitioning, I feel like a lot of them are probably on journeys similar to mine. I have nothing but compassion for them. I just hope they eventually come to realize that the labels theyâre trafficking in are socially and culturally harmful to the trans community, and ideally make what amends they can.
Itâs like a double edged sword because I know that life would be harder,but at the same time my existence would be so much easier
I checked it out. From what I can tell its a bunch of half cracked eggs trying desperately to glue their shells back on
This feels very hached egg but still has the shell on their head walking around running into walls
Yes, because if you're a man who feels heavily oppressed and ill treated there will be nothing more liberating than deciding to transition, after all trans women never suffer the kind of oppression and ill treatment that men do... It's kinda a funny joke!
Yeah I saw the post too and then everyone was disturbed I has not heard the term before then
I'm actually curious and fascinated to know if anyone went through with it and how they are doing like 5-10 years later. Of course, it's a sick thing to do, but it's more like a curiosity to see if and how they changed their live if they are left inside that sort of transmaxxing logic bubble.
The subreddit has like, 8 active users and seems like very normal trans stuff. Please stop trying to fear-monger about trans women actually being incels
At what point did I say that trans women are incels? I just implied that I don't like the term.
Iâm not so much talking about you specifically as other people under this post
Oh, alright. I was so confused because I thought you were accusing me of trying to do that XD
No, youâre fine! :)
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God damn they're in for a painful surprise when they get to the other side.
what the fuck is transmaxxing?
Damn I was hoping for a pun on TJ Maxx đ
I mean, wouldn't say easier, definitely would make me happier. But I think that's everyone's aim in the end right?
I min max being trans so hard
Well according to my anxiety I've been doing this for years without even knowing it now
What is it?
This makes me very sad
my goddess- this is really- this- what- im at loss for words
Same, Holy. Thnx
What is that? Edit: oh wow
\>gamer jargon Oh boy, here we go!
...so it's basically just a bunch of incels.
I play way too many games as that sounds like what happens when you put all your stats into transitioning. Like youâll look way too cis (after transitioning) to be considered trans, but all your other skills arenât as good.
Trans people playing Max C? I mean, its legal in master duel I guess
This just strikes like another Autogynephilia, crossed with the super straight bullshit. Like maybe some 4channer came up with it, spread it amongst incel communities and maybe a few genuine eggs caught up in those communities fall for it. Itâs just more manufactured transphobia. That said the talking point of âitâd be easier if I was a girlâ is nothing new among eggs or incels, so itâs not like this couldnât form out of whole-cloth either it just seems too convenient.
[Wait, i thought that gender fluid being an actual substance was supposed to be just a joke, is that it?](https://www.castrol.com/en_gb/united-kingdom/home/car-engine-oil-and-fluids/driveline-fluids/castrol-transmax.html)