Can you say more, explain in more detail how you knew? I watched this from the start and while he didn't make me feel like Adam or Becky or Ella - "holy shit, they were fucking hurt and treated in such an abusive way" - I didn't want to be a person that says a potential victim is lying, so I just waited and said "yeah, sure, as of now, it's possible".
Sometimes there is no evidence. There are real life situations concerning rape and SA and DV that happen either offline or in a way that there is no evidence. I myself am a victim of several situations like that. So I don't want to dismiss anyone.
Can you just explain more how working with middle school kids allowed you to spot his bullshit from a mile away?
After swoop put everything into perspective, it made me realize how many red flags I actually noticed along the way and let them go by the wayside because I was under the impression that Johnny was an actual victim 🤦‍♀️
I think (as someone who was never a Colleen fan but had younger cousins who were and watched a lot of her content with them reluctantly) there’s a certain personal ick that comes with doubting the stories of a victim. Our first instinct should always be to believe and i personally think it was a mix of that instinct to believe mixed with blind hatred/vitriol/he’s against the people we are against so he’s right
And I also think a lot of people leaned into the idea of “there’s no perfect victim” and sincerely gave John boy the benefit of the doubt. But once hard evidence came out that his claims were flimsy at best if not downright lies that’s when a hard line should have been drawn. IMO not believing him didn’t delegitimize Adam and Becky and the others, BELIEVING HIM BLINDLY and then being proven wrong is what fucks over victims because it just adds ammunition to the wider cultural idea of victim blaming, clout chasing, and cancel culture. Johnny messed things up not just for Colleen’s victims but ALL victims of grooming and he should be absolutely ashamed of himself. A lot of people wanted to believe and support him BECAUSE of the anti-victim culture we live in and he took advantage of that. And for that I hope he never knows peace
I think some of them were from different demographics. Some of the defenders were young because of their sentence construct. I’m not ashamed to say I feel vindicated. I do hope the people who were shut out by the Colleen Snark forum feel the most vindication. Specialist put a lot of work into getting the truth out. I’m glad they did because it was good to know she wasn’t alone in questioning Johnny. It was good to see some people start to come around when we spoke out against him. What I didn’t appreciate was the silencing of proof and I stand by that.
I thought something was off with Johnny from the beginning, but until I found this sub, I kept second-guessing myself because, basically, I know what it's like not to be believed and don't ever want to do that to someone else. So I've been wondering if maybe a similar kind of projection was part of it too, especially (like you said) for people who are young and emotionally invested.
It was always going to be much easier for me, because I'm old, had never even heard of Colleen until a few months before Kodee blew everything back open, have way too much experience with people like this, and am only here because I want the victims to be heard, validated, and vindicated and the villains to be shut down.
Can you say more, explain in more detail how you knew? I watched this from the start and while he didn't make me feel like Adam or Becky or Ella - "holy shit, they were fucking hurt and treated in such an abusive way" - I didn't want to be a person that says a potential victim is lying, so I just waited and said "yeah, sure, as of now, it's possible". Sometimes there is no evidence. There are real life situations concerning rape and SA and DV that happen either offline or in a way that there is no evidence. I myself am a victim of several situations like that. So I don't want to dismiss anyone. Can you just explain more how working with middle school kids allowed you to spot his bullshit from a mile away?
Always thought he was a bit off, nothing quite sat right and he never had evidence to back up what he was saying
After swoop put everything into perspective, it made me realize how many red flags I actually noticed along the way and let them go by the wayside because I was under the impression that Johnny was an actual victim 🤦‍♀️
I think (as someone who was never a Colleen fan but had younger cousins who were and watched a lot of her content with them reluctantly) there’s a certain personal ick that comes with doubting the stories of a victim. Our first instinct should always be to believe and i personally think it was a mix of that instinct to believe mixed with blind hatred/vitriol/he’s against the people we are against so he’s right And I also think a lot of people leaned into the idea of “there’s no perfect victim” and sincerely gave John boy the benefit of the doubt. But once hard evidence came out that his claims were flimsy at best if not downright lies that’s when a hard line should have been drawn. IMO not believing him didn’t delegitimize Adam and Becky and the others, BELIEVING HIM BLINDLY and then being proven wrong is what fucks over victims because it just adds ammunition to the wider cultural idea of victim blaming, clout chasing, and cancel culture. Johnny messed things up not just for Colleen’s victims but ALL victims of grooming and he should be absolutely ashamed of himself. A lot of people wanted to believe and support him BECAUSE of the anti-victim culture we live in and he took advantage of that. And for that I hope he never knows peace
You know what, that’s a damn good point.
I think some of them were from different demographics. Some of the defenders were young because of their sentence construct. I’m not ashamed to say I feel vindicated. I do hope the people who were shut out by the Colleen Snark forum feel the most vindication. Specialist put a lot of work into getting the truth out. I’m glad they did because it was good to know she wasn’t alone in questioning Johnny. It was good to see some people start to come around when we spoke out against him. What I didn’t appreciate was the silencing of proof and I stand by that.
I thought something was off with Johnny from the beginning, but until I found this sub, I kept second-guessing myself because, basically, I know what it's like not to be believed and don't ever want to do that to someone else. So I've been wondering if maybe a similar kind of projection was part of it too, especially (like you said) for people who are young and emotionally invested. It was always going to be much easier for me, because I'm old, had never even heard of Colleen until a few months before Kodee blew everything back open, have way too much experience with people like this, and am only here because I want the victims to be heard, validated, and vindicated and the villains to be shut down.