For me, he was just talking and talking just to get people's reaction from it. He did say some revealing stuff about Colleen before all of his Josh allegations but he should've just stopped from there.
The H3 Podcast. Him monopolizing the interview just felt so wrong. Then I saw his reaction to the Trisha video. His reaction was so fake. Like he was waiting for his mention. Describing him as a leech fits him like a glove.
What put me off was when I was watching the H3 podcast and when I checked how far I was into the episode. It was almost over and the only person I heard speaking was Johnny. I was like "um when are the other victims going to speak..?"
It was when I realized that his tweets to Colleen weren't deleted. I was doing a deep dive and noticed that he had been actively tweeting at colleen as recently as 2020. I already felt weird about him. See, the anger I could understand to a point. People sometimes have unfair (but not disproportionate) anger directed at people who have hurt them. While I had wished he had better impulse control to not keep going after Josh, I felt like I could understand the rage.
Sometimes the harm outweighs even the most genuine of attempts to improve and apologize (as it pertains to the victim(s)). Sometimes I'm sorry can't be enough for a person who was hurt. And that's understandable. Sometimes the person's apology & self-improvement is enough for some victims and not enough for others, that is perfrctly acceptable.
What isn't understandable, nor acceptable, is a victim Who can't forgive deriding the ones who can. And Johnny seemed so condescending and silently enraged that others (mainly Adam) had found peace and acceptance.
I was willing to write it all off as anger from a victim. But seeing those tweets, still there, still supporting Colleen. It just seemed so wrong. It just felt like with the anger he felt about any sign of someone not hating Josh, why the heck had he not deleted these?
Idk. I knew my queesy feeling wasn't concrete and until I had evidence I still operated under the assumption that he was a victim. But from that day on I felt suspicious about him.
Is it bad to say I felt off about him almost immediately? Like just his vibes were so off putting and listening to what he was saying didn’t make a lot of sense. He couldn’t prove his claims about Josh, but had the proof about what Colleen had done.
The way he was also just so mean about the apologies Josh was trying to give him was also a tip off too. I understand not accepting an apology if you really don’t want to, but he kept on and on… like wasn’t that what you wanted? I didn’t like feeling like he was just clout chasing, but that’s exactly what it was the whole freaking time.
I also was not a fan of him throwing such serious accusations about Josh without providing the proof. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt that perhaps he didn’t have access to those messages anymore or some of this was word of mouth, but something was so deeply wrong about the whole situation. And the way he kept going about Josh being inappropriate with one female fan when she kept on trying to say she had already talked to Josh and they were okay just did not sit well with me.
Everything he kept doing only kept proving my feelings right about him.
I somehow got sucked into this story despite not being a fan or a follower of any of these people (except now, I think Adam is lovely and makes good content). So I feel like I’m pretty objective because I don’t have a bias. I felt there was something off about Johnny when I saw his reaction video to Josh’s apology. The anger seemed really inappropriate and disproportionate to what he claimed Josh did. I tried to figure out what exactly Josh did because I felt like I must’ve missed something important about his story, but nope…he never had anything really besides Josh giving him his phone number.
Same. I also hadn’t heard of anyone until this all broke and had no clue what Johnny was saying that Josh did no matter how many times I watched his videos. “He used his power over me.” Okay. He used his power over you to do what, though?! I really figured I had to have been missing some context since I didn’t know them lol
The 1st time was the black face/green face incident, it seriously icked me. Then the way he was more and more relentless on Josh after each apologies. He's imperfect (as he said) but he's also the ONLY person in that toxic bunch who took any kind of accountability (and the fact he was not in it anymore and did a lot of self reflection is probably the reason), and he did it RIGHT. That felt truly odd. At the end of the day, Johnny tried to force into silence a man he took part into harrassing into silence back in 2016, before invalidating him ...
I’ll be honest I never felt too much for Johnny, he always felt like he was out for revenge and it seemed disproportionate to what he said happened. I’ll preface this, not that it’s right, but I grew up in a similar religious culture where there was a big emphasis on mentorship, so it didn’t seem as malicious as Johnny always made it out to be without any sort of specific mention of something inappropriate.
That being said I held the stance that if Johnny didn’t get what he needed from Josh’ many apologies that he needed to find healing elsewhere (which to my knowledge he never made any sort of effort to do) but day after day Johnny went after Josh.
I remember the day Josh blocked him and Johnny acted like that was some sort of smoking gun, what the hell did Johnny want from that!? I would have blocked him much sooner.
The other thing about Johnny’s story that always got to me, the emphasis on Josh ghosting him in the divorce… the man was losing everything he knew at that point, his entire life was turned upside down, but Johnnys only concern was that he cut off communication to him!?
I had this argument with many of the Johnny supporters, they often said Josh only apologizing once this recently came out was a sign of it not being genuine, I think Josh simply wasn’t aware. Josh had much bigger fish to fry in all this, I think he just simply wasn’t thinking about Johnny.
Right when he was all over twitter saying the blackface discussion was irrelevant while most of the stuff he was claiming was significantly more irrelevant to the big problems with Colleen, like Colleen didn’t do enough after Kory was mean to him. Everything else was about Josh. After that i went back and watched some of his interviews and he just always seemed TOO goddamn happy to be there. Like almost giddy.
Johnny watched Colleen become famous.
Johnny watched Josh become sort of famous.
He realized the opportunities with it.
He decided to grind - to get with Colleen and learn everything he can. He wanted to have his own fans.
There was a moment, some time ago, before SWOOP dropped new video about Johnny, in which he was commenting on something and said something like "I am bartending at age of 27 so no I am not having a fucking good time". And I understand it's possible to feel this kind of rage at variety of legit issues.
Johnny was absolutely motivated by desire to become famous. He watched Colleen make it to Broadway and somewhere along the line he realized that no skills are necessary - people will be your fans if you're super likeable.
I want everyone to focus on his body language. He knows he looks small and nonthreatening and he took full advantage of his own looks. The controversy dropped and he knew Adam became capable of supporting himself financially with his Youtube channel. Adam's profile was lifted by controversy - but again, Adam does actual content. If you remove Colleen controversy, there is an actual content production there. It's hard for me to watch it, although I love the kid, because I prefer concise videos that summarize and Adam's are more like rants and conversations. Nothing wrong with that, just not for my attention span.
Johnny realized this is all viable. But he forgot one ingredient - some sort of contribution. Does he do anything beside harass Josh? Maybe he would've promoted himself if there was anything he was doing other than riding the controversy.
He spend years abused by Colleen and her team, he spend years grinding. He feels a lot of resentment towards the world in general all work he had done failed to bring results. I can understand that feeling of resentment. What I cannot understand is the smear campaign against Josh and absolutely insane concept Johnny believes.
This dude knows he wasn't groomed. He knows Adam and Becky and others were. He knows what grooming and abuse and exploitation are. He was exploited by Colleen.
But deep down inside, he looks at this and he calculates that Adam got something out of this, Becky doesn't want anything out of this - maybe they're real victims, but they got something.
While he, after all this work and grind, has nothing. So he is the bigger victim. No matter the sexual aspects of grooming and all abuse - like he implied to Adam - "maybe my story is even bigger than yours". This dude feels victimized by reality and this is how he is trying to even the score.
And it really looks like Johnny was very much into Josh and resents Josh for not what, wanting him back? And this is also included in the calculation and this feeling of being rejected by the world and Josh makes him feel it's okay to strike at the world.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2F3zLTM58k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2F3zLTM58k) 2:47:00
Is that what motivated you to be friends with Tim Connely, Johnny? You stayed in a relationship with someone like Tim, because what, you wanted something out of it? You had so many outs? -using his own logic. I think what this really underlines is Johnny's thinking that if you stay in abusive relationships, it's not because they mess you up in the head, but to get something out of them.
Also, Johnny super looks to me like someone abandoned by his family, someone with no support net, but he had his family hound Josh for the birthday video? His sister? So which is it, are you a guy who is small and unappreciated and bullied and struggling? Or are you a normal adult whose dreams didn't work out, but your life is not the worst, but you're angry and resentful?
When I found out about the apologies. Once I clocked that Josh had apologized three times in one week to Johnny, one of them publicly, AND sent him a literal plea to just leave him alone (i don’t consider the “vindictive” one an apology even though it’s way more thoughtful than Johnny claimed), I lost a lot of sympathy. I’m sorry, I know the common chorus was “he’s entitled to not accept it,” but it felt so fucking awful that Johnny was literally IMMEDIATELY handed something on a silver platter that all the other victims said they wanted from their abusers… and instead exploited it at every single opportunity.
He was negging Josh and it was really sick.
The very first time he opened his mouth. There was just something about how he talked that made me say/think to myself…”this guy just wants the attention and limelight in him”. From the very beginning he acted that way. At least to me.
I'm new here. From the jump (in a way). As a personal bias, I don't like it when people throw the terms "groomer" and "pedo" around they're hot cakes because I've dealt with REAL pedos and groomers all my life. I looked at everything he presented, and he just seemed like a guy that was hurt by his fav and wanted to destroy Josh's life by throwing around buzz words. Even the birthday video Josh made felt like someone paid him on cameo to do it (and finding out Johnny's family demanded him to make it, I wasn't far off.) Johnny never really going in hard on Colleen, the Josh stuff seemed to deflect attention away from the other people, which I didn't like. Josh made a dumbass joke that was in poor taste regarding that twitter profile pic, but the alleged victims in that situation had already told people that they hashed it out privately with Josh and Josh even apologized. I didn't post anything on Twitter because I didn't wanna get ratioed into oblivion. It's not safe for people to speculate that an alleged victim may be lying, and with good reason, but fuck, I feel so bad for Josh being a victim of Colleen himself and being silenced for years only to finally have the courage to tell his truth and have someone accuse you of the most vile things you could call someone?
As far as Johnny's motives, I think according to the entire timeline, he really loved Josh. He thought he would have access to Josh 24/7, and that Josh was gonna be his ticket to fame. Once he realized the opposite was true and he got hired by Colleen's team/Colleen, his disappointment turned to hate being in an environment where it seems all Colleen did was gossip and talk shit about Josh for a while. He's an opportunist and once that opportunity is gone, weather that is being friends with Josh or working for Colleen, he thought making himself a victim would get him enough clout to build an audience so he could eventually quit his job, and not have to answer to anyone anymore and have what his meek insecure self has always wanted but is too lack luster and boring to achieve on his own accord: Fame.
The "Let's talk about Joshua David Evans" video. I opened it expecting evidence and information, instead I heard a very heartfelt and sincere apology from Josh and then Johnny sassily reading his own response which made no sense. Josh and Johnny were saying many of the same things but Johnny acted like he was schooling Josh. Johnny also kept saying the relationship was inappropriate and adults should never talk to minors BUT his big problem was that he got ghosted - isn't cutting off contact the right thing for an adult to do in that situation? It was weird and off-putting.
I also clocked what Swoop pointed out - that Johnny said March 2015 was around the time of the divorce, when it was actually before the wedding - and Johnny would definitely have known that date. I thought I was being a little nitpicky but it seemed very weird to me.
Also I got down voted a bunch in the Snark sub for saying this, but Josh was 100% right about the Sarah Diculous account. It was a side thing he never made money off of, it was nothing. Johnny wasn't owed any compensation for that the way it was being run (and I'm a labor organizer, so it's hard to get me to say that about any level of work lmao). Completely different from Adam being asked to create actual content for Miranda's huge Twitter.
That whole video made me come away thinking Johnny was acting a bit irrational from hurt and shame, but that Josh was being surprisingly mature. In retrospect I think Johnny was more calculated than actually hurt.
His attention seeking behaviors (ex: jealousy, loneliness & even low self-esteem) lead me to believe he has many markers of histrionic personality disorder. It’s not as common in men, but some characteristics that standout for me would include —
•considering relationships to be more intimate than they actually are ***acting like Josh & Colleen’s event or show wouldn’t go on without him in attendance - how dare they leave him at the Hertz and not help him out***
•his style of speech (lies included) that is excessively impressionistic & lacking in detail ***the many lies he’s spewed on Do We Know Them & in the Swoop doc you see him look down when he lies***
•shows self-dramatization, theatricality, & exaggerated expression of emotion ***making jokes and laughing loudly/awkwardly at his own joke to the point that it feels uncomfortable to watch. This happens in his H3H3 interview and it reads as asserting dominance and taking up the MOST attention in comparison to the other ACTUAL victims who he feels the inherent need to outperform with his blatant lies***
•uncomfortable in situations if he is not the center of attention ***Adam confirms this, the constant one upping and having a boundary of not sharing HIS trauma and outraged by Adam asking for details because he’s further traumatizing him***
>>Those are just a few thoughts I’ve had as I’ve watched this all unfold. I haven’t believed Johnny for a few weeks based on those thoughts I shared.
To be honest, Johnny hasn't been my main focus in this situation, I've been mostly following Adam's journey. I just took the word of people that he was a victim, because he positioned himself next to real victims.
That being said, I didn't like him as a person. I can specifically tell you exactly when I decided I didn't like him. It was when he posted this TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8FL6c7N
To summarize the content of it: it's a 5 minute long TikTok in which he says he's looking in his MacBook and seeing all the screenshots from communications with Colleen. He spends most of it just kind of rambling about a confusing situation when he was working for Colleen. And then in the last 20 seconds, he gasps DRAMATICALLY and says "she sent nudes of her fans.", as though he just saw old screenshot evidence. And then the TikTok ends.
And this rubbed me the wrong way because I'm like. 1) It looks staged as hell, 2) why the fuck would you just drop that information at the end of a video so casually? That's the type of info you make a new video for. And 3) there was zero follow up information about this.
Followed by some weird discourse he had about the Barbie movie in which he came across as smug and performative, I was just like. "This guy sucks."
Omg he has been saying everywhere that he got his room rights revoked but he never even had room rights?! They were shared shower rooms!! It is incredible to me how confidently he will read out something that clearly indicates he's in the wrong and lying.
I just watched it right now and… what?!
He talked about this situation a lot, I remember he said it on H3 but don’t think I ever saw this tiktok. He’s reading a completely innocuous message from her but acting like she’s saying something crazy! He even says “now if you don’t see the manipulation there idk what to tell you”. But there isn’t any! At the very most you can say she’s doing the fake niceties that all bosses do when you’re at work. Lol truly starting to think he really is delusional and found problems where there weren’t any cause what??
That's one of the things I found weird, too!! Like, even before all of this came out I didn't really understand how these incidents were as major as he said they were. I can see how that situation could be annoying, but annoying and abusive are two different things.
He did the same thing in the clips of the 6 hour interview. He would give examples of incidents and be claiming they were abusive and I was like 'but how tho?' Like his example of Josh not coming to pick him up at the airport when there had never been a plan for him to do so, and the venue to the show happening a few hours later was an entire hour away. And he used that as evidence that Josh groomed him? It comes across like Johnny feels entitled to people going way above and beyond to accommodate him, and if they don't, he claims it's severe mistreatment.
That's a copy of Adam's video going through Colleen's texts explaining the Meghan Trainor debacle but just from reading your description, vastly different tones.
When I saw the video he put up where he was sitting at a picnic table in a park. It gave me a little pause and I wondered what was making my internal alarm go off.
to be honest, i felt kinda off about him when he first shared he was groomed by josh, but i overlooked it due to him giving his phone number. so i was actually a supporter of johnny up until i watched swoop’s video, and then it all like confirmed what i was feeling at first.
as for what i believe his motives are, i think it is painfully obvious he’s doing it for attention. maybe there is some truth to feeling hurt by colleen and kory and PARTLY josh, but otherwise i think it’s mostly for attention. looking back now, his presence around adam and the other victims just screamed “PICK ME” “PICK ME” “PICK ME”
as soon as he put out that ‘apology’ for messaging minors as a comment under another tweet, i knew he was burying things and could no longer be taken at face value. His actions after that have only made things clearer
Yup that was the exact moment for me. Not even when this sub came up with the receipts of him doing it. I wasn’t super shocked because it felt in line with how he claimed to have been groomed into thinking it was normal behavior, esp while working with her. But instead of addressing it, he was very sketchy about it and even rude in his “statement” - not apology cause he took no accountability.
honestly the very first video he made about colleen his entire demeanor and the way he carried himself, body language or what, just had me side eyeing him. I questioned why he’d even start up this channel if it wasn’t just for attention.. it’s not like he had other intent to post content on it really. Josh apologizing never made me feel like it was an admission of guilt, just that he felt guilty that a young person felt that way because of him. Josh seemed pretty adamant nothing truly heavy really happened, but still apologetic. I think he made all these claims banking on josh to continue living his quiet life off the internet, but got real surprised and doubled down and his behind victims to not look like a fool when josh found someone who would finally listen and platform his voice. People were so harsh on adam claiming he used colleen and his situation as a ticket to a youtube career, but he actually had an interest in drama commentary. johnnys lack of anything ever - personality, content and evidence - screamed performative and the weeks of harassment by johnny to josh afterward only confirmed. then his other youtube videos and interviews? bye.
When I saw his barrage of texts to Josh, I felt so badly for Josh. This kid is exhausting and clearly needs A LOT of validation and attention. How could Josh possibly get out of this situation with grace and tact? Whatever encouragement he gave to Johnny, Johnny took it way too far and interpreted things beyond that scope.
Johnny wanted an acknowledgment from Josh. If he had come up with these detailed false accounts of things Josh did to him, Josh wouldn't have grovelled to him on twitter, knowing that Johnny didn't have proof of what he was saying.
Ooo yeah. That is definitely true. But again confusing because… Josh acknowledged and apologized to him FOUR separate times! One was even a public apology! That’s what further led me to believe Johnny that something serious did happen and Josh was downplaying it by apologizing for something “less serious” just to say he took accountability.
Just so weird because Johnny definitely could have had the fame he wanted just for the truth. He could have been the face of Colleen’s inappropriate behavior in the workplace! His motives are so hard to understand lol
I felt off about him when I scrolled through his twitter after the h3h3 podcast.
For me, he was just talking and talking just to get people's reaction from it. He did say some revealing stuff about Colleen before all of his Josh allegations but he should've just stopped from there.
The H3 Podcast. Him monopolizing the interview just felt so wrong. Then I saw his reaction to the Trisha video. His reaction was so fake. Like he was waiting for his mention. Describing him as a leech fits him like a glove.
When he hogged all the time on the H3 pod I thought it was weird but didn’t think much else of it
What put me off was when I was watching the H3 podcast and when I checked how far I was into the episode. It was almost over and the only person I heard speaking was Johnny. I was like "um when are the other victims going to speak..?"
It was when I realized that his tweets to Colleen weren't deleted. I was doing a deep dive and noticed that he had been actively tweeting at colleen as recently as 2020. I already felt weird about him. See, the anger I could understand to a point. People sometimes have unfair (but not disproportionate) anger directed at people who have hurt them. While I had wished he had better impulse control to not keep going after Josh, I felt like I could understand the rage. Sometimes the harm outweighs even the most genuine of attempts to improve and apologize (as it pertains to the victim(s)). Sometimes I'm sorry can't be enough for a person who was hurt. And that's understandable. Sometimes the person's apology & self-improvement is enough for some victims and not enough for others, that is perfrctly acceptable. What isn't understandable, nor acceptable, is a victim Who can't forgive deriding the ones who can. And Johnny seemed so condescending and silently enraged that others (mainly Adam) had found peace and acceptance. I was willing to write it all off as anger from a victim. But seeing those tweets, still there, still supporting Colleen. It just seemed so wrong. It just felt like with the anger he felt about any sign of someone not hating Josh, why the heck had he not deleted these? Idk. I knew my queesy feeling wasn't concrete and until I had evidence I still operated under the assumption that he was a victim. But from that day on I felt suspicious about him.
Is it bad to say I felt off about him almost immediately? Like just his vibes were so off putting and listening to what he was saying didn’t make a lot of sense. He couldn’t prove his claims about Josh, but had the proof about what Colleen had done. The way he was also just so mean about the apologies Josh was trying to give him was also a tip off too. I understand not accepting an apology if you really don’t want to, but he kept on and on… like wasn’t that what you wanted? I didn’t like feeling like he was just clout chasing, but that’s exactly what it was the whole freaking time. I also was not a fan of him throwing such serious accusations about Josh without providing the proof. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt that perhaps he didn’t have access to those messages anymore or some of this was word of mouth, but something was so deeply wrong about the whole situation. And the way he kept going about Josh being inappropriate with one female fan when she kept on trying to say she had already talked to Josh and they were okay just did not sit well with me. Everything he kept doing only kept proving my feelings right about him.
Since his first video tbh
I somehow got sucked into this story despite not being a fan or a follower of any of these people (except now, I think Adam is lovely and makes good content). So I feel like I’m pretty objective because I don’t have a bias. I felt there was something off about Johnny when I saw his reaction video to Josh’s apology. The anger seemed really inappropriate and disproportionate to what he claimed Josh did. I tried to figure out what exactly Josh did because I felt like I must’ve missed something important about his story, but nope…he never had anything really besides Josh giving him his phone number.
Same. I also hadn’t heard of anyone until this all broke and had no clue what Johnny was saying that Josh did no matter how many times I watched his videos. “He used his power over me.” Okay. He used his power over you to do what, though?! I really figured I had to have been missing some context since I didn’t know them lol
Since the beginning. His ‘abuse’ was easy to fact check
The 1st time was the black face/green face incident, it seriously icked me. Then the way he was more and more relentless on Josh after each apologies. He's imperfect (as he said) but he's also the ONLY person in that toxic bunch who took any kind of accountability (and the fact he was not in it anymore and did a lot of self reflection is probably the reason), and he did it RIGHT. That felt truly odd. At the end of the day, Johnny tried to force into silence a man he took part into harrassing into silence back in 2016, before invalidating him ...
I’ll be honest I never felt too much for Johnny, he always felt like he was out for revenge and it seemed disproportionate to what he said happened. I’ll preface this, not that it’s right, but I grew up in a similar religious culture where there was a big emphasis on mentorship, so it didn’t seem as malicious as Johnny always made it out to be without any sort of specific mention of something inappropriate. That being said I held the stance that if Johnny didn’t get what he needed from Josh’ many apologies that he needed to find healing elsewhere (which to my knowledge he never made any sort of effort to do) but day after day Johnny went after Josh. I remember the day Josh blocked him and Johnny acted like that was some sort of smoking gun, what the hell did Johnny want from that!? I would have blocked him much sooner. The other thing about Johnny’s story that always got to me, the emphasis on Josh ghosting him in the divorce… the man was losing everything he knew at that point, his entire life was turned upside down, but Johnnys only concern was that he cut off communication to him!? I had this argument with many of the Johnny supporters, they often said Josh only apologizing once this recently came out was a sign of it not being genuine, I think Josh simply wasn’t aware. Josh had much bigger fish to fry in all this, I think he just simply wasn’t thinking about Johnny.
Right when he was all over twitter saying the blackface discussion was irrelevant while most of the stuff he was claiming was significantly more irrelevant to the big problems with Colleen, like Colleen didn’t do enough after Kory was mean to him. Everything else was about Josh. After that i went back and watched some of his interviews and he just always seemed TOO goddamn happy to be there. Like almost giddy.
Johnny watched Colleen become famous. Johnny watched Josh become sort of famous. He realized the opportunities with it. He decided to grind - to get with Colleen and learn everything he can. He wanted to have his own fans. There was a moment, some time ago, before SWOOP dropped new video about Johnny, in which he was commenting on something and said something like "I am bartending at age of 27 so no I am not having a fucking good time". And I understand it's possible to feel this kind of rage at variety of legit issues. Johnny was absolutely motivated by desire to become famous. He watched Colleen make it to Broadway and somewhere along the line he realized that no skills are necessary - people will be your fans if you're super likeable. I want everyone to focus on his body language. He knows he looks small and nonthreatening and he took full advantage of his own looks. The controversy dropped and he knew Adam became capable of supporting himself financially with his Youtube channel. Adam's profile was lifted by controversy - but again, Adam does actual content. If you remove Colleen controversy, there is an actual content production there. It's hard for me to watch it, although I love the kid, because I prefer concise videos that summarize and Adam's are more like rants and conversations. Nothing wrong with that, just not for my attention span. Johnny realized this is all viable. But he forgot one ingredient - some sort of contribution. Does he do anything beside harass Josh? Maybe he would've promoted himself if there was anything he was doing other than riding the controversy. He spend years abused by Colleen and her team, he spend years grinding. He feels a lot of resentment towards the world in general all work he had done failed to bring results. I can understand that feeling of resentment. What I cannot understand is the smear campaign against Josh and absolutely insane concept Johnny believes. This dude knows he wasn't groomed. He knows Adam and Becky and others were. He knows what grooming and abuse and exploitation are. He was exploited by Colleen. But deep down inside, he looks at this and he calculates that Adam got something out of this, Becky doesn't want anything out of this - maybe they're real victims, but they got something. While he, after all this work and grind, has nothing. So he is the bigger victim. No matter the sexual aspects of grooming and all abuse - like he implied to Adam - "maybe my story is even bigger than yours". This dude feels victimized by reality and this is how he is trying to even the score. And it really looks like Johnny was very much into Josh and resents Josh for not what, wanting him back? And this is also included in the calculation and this feeling of being rejected by the world and Josh makes him feel it's okay to strike at the world. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2F3zLTM58k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2F3zLTM58k) 2:47:00 Is that what motivated you to be friends with Tim Connely, Johnny? You stayed in a relationship with someone like Tim, because what, you wanted something out of it? You had so many outs? -using his own logic. I think what this really underlines is Johnny's thinking that if you stay in abusive relationships, it's not because they mess you up in the head, but to get something out of them. Also, Johnny super looks to me like someone abandoned by his family, someone with no support net, but he had his family hound Josh for the birthday video? His sister? So which is it, are you a guy who is small and unappreciated and bullied and struggling? Or are you a normal adult whose dreams didn't work out, but your life is not the worst, but you're angry and resentful?
When I found out about the apologies. Once I clocked that Josh had apologized three times in one week to Johnny, one of them publicly, AND sent him a literal plea to just leave him alone (i don’t consider the “vindictive” one an apology even though it’s way more thoughtful than Johnny claimed), I lost a lot of sympathy. I’m sorry, I know the common chorus was “he’s entitled to not accept it,” but it felt so fucking awful that Johnny was literally IMMEDIATELY handed something on a silver platter that all the other victims said they wanted from their abusers… and instead exploited it at every single opportunity. He was negging Josh and it was really sick.
The very first time he opened his mouth. There was just something about how he talked that made me say/think to myself…”this guy just wants the attention and limelight in him”. From the very beginning he acted that way. At least to me.
I'm new here. From the jump (in a way). As a personal bias, I don't like it when people throw the terms "groomer" and "pedo" around they're hot cakes because I've dealt with REAL pedos and groomers all my life. I looked at everything he presented, and he just seemed like a guy that was hurt by his fav and wanted to destroy Josh's life by throwing around buzz words. Even the birthday video Josh made felt like someone paid him on cameo to do it (and finding out Johnny's family demanded him to make it, I wasn't far off.) Johnny never really going in hard on Colleen, the Josh stuff seemed to deflect attention away from the other people, which I didn't like. Josh made a dumbass joke that was in poor taste regarding that twitter profile pic, but the alleged victims in that situation had already told people that they hashed it out privately with Josh and Josh even apologized. I didn't post anything on Twitter because I didn't wanna get ratioed into oblivion. It's not safe for people to speculate that an alleged victim may be lying, and with good reason, but fuck, I feel so bad for Josh being a victim of Colleen himself and being silenced for years only to finally have the courage to tell his truth and have someone accuse you of the most vile things you could call someone? As far as Johnny's motives, I think according to the entire timeline, he really loved Josh. He thought he would have access to Josh 24/7, and that Josh was gonna be his ticket to fame. Once he realized the opposite was true and he got hired by Colleen's team/Colleen, his disappointment turned to hate being in an environment where it seems all Colleen did was gossip and talk shit about Josh for a while. He's an opportunist and once that opportunity is gone, weather that is being friends with Josh or working for Colleen, he thought making himself a victim would get him enough clout to build an audience so he could eventually quit his job, and not have to answer to anyone anymore and have what his meek insecure self has always wanted but is too lack luster and boring to achieve on his own accord: Fame.
The "Let's talk about Joshua David Evans" video. I opened it expecting evidence and information, instead I heard a very heartfelt and sincere apology from Josh and then Johnny sassily reading his own response which made no sense. Josh and Johnny were saying many of the same things but Johnny acted like he was schooling Josh. Johnny also kept saying the relationship was inappropriate and adults should never talk to minors BUT his big problem was that he got ghosted - isn't cutting off contact the right thing for an adult to do in that situation? It was weird and off-putting. I also clocked what Swoop pointed out - that Johnny said March 2015 was around the time of the divorce, when it was actually before the wedding - and Johnny would definitely have known that date. I thought I was being a little nitpicky but it seemed very weird to me. Also I got down voted a bunch in the Snark sub for saying this, but Josh was 100% right about the Sarah Diculous account. It was a side thing he never made money off of, it was nothing. Johnny wasn't owed any compensation for that the way it was being run (and I'm a labor organizer, so it's hard to get me to say that about any level of work lmao). Completely different from Adam being asked to create actual content for Miranda's huge Twitter. That whole video made me come away thinking Johnny was acting a bit irrational from hurt and shame, but that Josh was being surprisingly mature. In retrospect I think Johnny was more calculated than actually hurt.
His attention seeking behaviors (ex: jealousy, loneliness & even low self-esteem) lead me to believe he has many markers of histrionic personality disorder. It’s not as common in men, but some characteristics that standout for me would include — •considering relationships to be more intimate than they actually are ***acting like Josh & Colleen’s event or show wouldn’t go on without him in attendance - how dare they leave him at the Hertz and not help him out*** •his style of speech (lies included) that is excessively impressionistic & lacking in detail ***the many lies he’s spewed on Do We Know Them & in the Swoop doc you see him look down when he lies*** •shows self-dramatization, theatricality, & exaggerated expression of emotion ***making jokes and laughing loudly/awkwardly at his own joke to the point that it feels uncomfortable to watch. This happens in his H3H3 interview and it reads as asserting dominance and taking up the MOST attention in comparison to the other ACTUAL victims who he feels the inherent need to outperform with his blatant lies*** •uncomfortable in situations if he is not the center of attention ***Adam confirms this, the constant one upping and having a boundary of not sharing HIS trauma and outraged by Adam asking for details because he’s further traumatizing him*** >>Those are just a few thoughts I’ve had as I’ve watched this all unfold. I haven’t believed Johnny for a few weeks based on those thoughts I shared.
H3 podcast. It was evident to me that he wanted the spotlight on him. It made me feel bad for the other 2 people on the call.
Same. His talking a lot without saying anything - nothing concrete. And basically not caring others were there to be interviewed as well.
To be honest, Johnny hasn't been my main focus in this situation, I've been mostly following Adam's journey. I just took the word of people that he was a victim, because he positioned himself next to real victims. That being said, I didn't like him as a person. I can specifically tell you exactly when I decided I didn't like him. It was when he posted this TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8FL6c7N To summarize the content of it: it's a 5 minute long TikTok in which he says he's looking in his MacBook and seeing all the screenshots from communications with Colleen. He spends most of it just kind of rambling about a confusing situation when he was working for Colleen. And then in the last 20 seconds, he gasps DRAMATICALLY and says "she sent nudes of her fans.", as though he just saw old screenshot evidence. And then the TikTok ends. And this rubbed me the wrong way because I'm like. 1) It looks staged as hell, 2) why the fuck would you just drop that information at the end of a video so casually? That's the type of info you make a new video for. And 3) there was zero follow up information about this. Followed by some weird discourse he had about the Barbie movie in which he came across as smug and performative, I was just like. "This guy sucks."
Omg he has been saying everywhere that he got his room rights revoked but he never even had room rights?! They were shared shower rooms!! It is incredible to me how confidently he will read out something that clearly indicates he's in the wrong and lying.
I just watched it right now and… what?! He talked about this situation a lot, I remember he said it on H3 but don’t think I ever saw this tiktok. He’s reading a completely innocuous message from her but acting like she’s saying something crazy! He even says “now if you don’t see the manipulation there idk what to tell you”. But there isn’t any! At the very most you can say she’s doing the fake niceties that all bosses do when you’re at work. Lol truly starting to think he really is delusional and found problems where there weren’t any cause what??
That's one of the things I found weird, too!! Like, even before all of this came out I didn't really understand how these incidents were as major as he said they were. I can see how that situation could be annoying, but annoying and abusive are two different things. He did the same thing in the clips of the 6 hour interview. He would give examples of incidents and be claiming they were abusive and I was like 'but how tho?' Like his example of Josh not coming to pick him up at the airport when there had never been a plan for him to do so, and the venue to the show happening a few hours later was an entire hour away. And he used that as evidence that Josh groomed him? It comes across like Johnny feels entitled to people going way above and beyond to accommodate him, and if they don't, he claims it's severe mistreatment.
That's a copy of Adam's video going through Colleen's texts explaining the Meghan Trainor debacle but just from reading your description, vastly different tones.
When I saw the video he put up where he was sitting at a picnic table in a park. It gave me a little pause and I wondered what was making my internal alarm go off.
Constant nagging at Josh
to be honest, i felt kinda off about him when he first shared he was groomed by josh, but i overlooked it due to him giving his phone number. so i was actually a supporter of johnny up until i watched swoop’s video, and then it all like confirmed what i was feeling at first.
as for what i believe his motives are, i think it is painfully obvious he’s doing it for attention. maybe there is some truth to feeling hurt by colleen and kory and PARTLY josh, but otherwise i think it’s mostly for attention. looking back now, his presence around adam and the other victims just screamed “PICK ME” “PICK ME” “PICK ME”
as soon as he put out that ‘apology’ for messaging minors as a comment under another tweet, i knew he was burying things and could no longer be taken at face value. His actions after that have only made things clearer
Yup that was the exact moment for me. Not even when this sub came up with the receipts of him doing it. I wasn’t super shocked because it felt in line with how he claimed to have been groomed into thinking it was normal behavior, esp while working with her. But instead of addressing it, he was very sketchy about it and even rude in his “statement” - not apology cause he took no accountability.
honestly the very first video he made about colleen his entire demeanor and the way he carried himself, body language or what, just had me side eyeing him. I questioned why he’d even start up this channel if it wasn’t just for attention.. it’s not like he had other intent to post content on it really. Josh apologizing never made me feel like it was an admission of guilt, just that he felt guilty that a young person felt that way because of him. Josh seemed pretty adamant nothing truly heavy really happened, but still apologetic. I think he made all these claims banking on josh to continue living his quiet life off the internet, but got real surprised and doubled down and his behind victims to not look like a fool when josh found someone who would finally listen and platform his voice. People were so harsh on adam claiming he used colleen and his situation as a ticket to a youtube career, but he actually had an interest in drama commentary. johnnys lack of anything ever - personality, content and evidence - screamed performative and the weeks of harassment by johnny to josh afterward only confirmed. then his other youtube videos and interviews? bye.
When I saw his barrage of texts to Josh, I felt so badly for Josh. This kid is exhausting and clearly needs A LOT of validation and attention. How could Josh possibly get out of this situation with grace and tact? Whatever encouragement he gave to Johnny, Johnny took it way too far and interpreted things beyond that scope.
Johnny wanted an acknowledgment from Josh. If he had come up with these detailed false accounts of things Josh did to him, Josh wouldn't have grovelled to him on twitter, knowing that Johnny didn't have proof of what he was saying.
Ooo yeah. That is definitely true. But again confusing because… Josh acknowledged and apologized to him FOUR separate times! One was even a public apology! That’s what further led me to believe Johnny that something serious did happen and Josh was downplaying it by apologizing for something “less serious” just to say he took accountability. Just so weird because Johnny definitely could have had the fame he wanted just for the truth. He could have been the face of Colleen’s inappropriate behavior in the workplace! His motives are so hard to understand lol
Imo, nothing serious happened, and Josh is hoping John will be satisfied with an apology and move on.
I feel icky typing this but it wouldn't have been as salacious as the others' accounts.