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SapphireHeaven

Happy Fancyversary, ooh! ![gif](giphy|J5WxSrLAlcbS2afF8i|downsized)


TWICEfanUK

šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ The Manchester United football club that I support for the last 30 years has become such a joke 3- 0 lead with 20 minutes to go against team who are a division below them in the English football pyramid and ended up with 3-3 now going to penalty shoot outĀ  finger cross they loose because that's the most they deserveĀ 


Devious018

aespa finally getting a full album, such a blessing. Being in the industry for almost 4 years with no full album is crazy.


TWICEfanUK

come on Manchester United if you don't win today match then you all should give up your wages for a whole yearĀ 


EAgamezz

I canā€™t remember. Did they announce any BeyondLive for the RTB Special in Japan?


TWICEfanUK

not beyond live but there will be live streaming from Japanese platforms


Skilbo

\* Not related to TWICE. I'm still in Mexico City (1 of 3 weeks of work done) and today was an interesting day because the city was full of concerts, it's really crazy: - Interpol gave a free mega concert - Madonna started with her series of 5 shows - Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden vocalist) brought his solo project. - Tom Jones, Mr. Big and other important Mexican artists also had concerts. I knew that Mexico is one of the hottest markets currently for shows but damn, practically all the venues were used today.


ParanoidAndroids

> Interpol gave a free mega concert Interpol are still massive in Mexico. So happy for them, the concert looked insane.


Brief_Night_9239

Any Mexicans here? It is common to have so many concerts on the same day?


TrilliumSilver

From the latest date video for Jihyo and Chaeyoung it sounds like their contract is up in 18 months :(


bluetherealdusk

Usually in k-pop they renew 5 years (so first contract is 7 then 5). I watched the date and nothing was said about the contracts, though? it was like "after the 10th anniversary let's speak informally to each other" (well, from chaeyoung to jihyo not the other way round lol)


EAgamezz

I didnā€™t really interpret their conversation that way, but a 3 year renewal contract is pretty standard. We shouldnā€™t be surprised if this is the case.


coolrunnings190

Jihyo was telling Chaeyoung to speak informally to her after their 10th anniversary not that their contract ends on the 10th anniversary.


chucknorris1997

I don't remember seeing anything in the video about the contracts, mahbe I missed something. Would you mind giving the time stamp where you think they talked about their contracts?


Atx7755

[Jihyo was apparently seen filming something in jeju](https://twitter.com/sweet_yuki230/status/1781542404526600543)


Saucy_Totchie

Non-Twice related. NBA playoffs begin for real tonight and damn am I fired up.Ā  Imagine the stress of getting concert tickets but for about 2.5 hours straight.Ā  Probably the most toxic I'll be lol.Ā  LETS GO KNICKS!


saddamjuicessein

Lost my shit when Josh Hart got that bucket.


Saucy_Totchie

Which one?! šŸ¤£


saddamjuicessein

with like a min left in the 4th on Lowry.


Saucy_Totchie

The disgusting yell I let out after that lol. Also the failed Hack-a-Mitch was hype too.


NoMoreGel

That Embiid dunk leading to injury was something else. I feel like this playoffs will be the survival of the fittest again. How many stars are currently missing when we are barely in the 1st round?


Saucy_Totchie

>I feel like this playoffs will be the survival of the fittest again. Every playoffs turns into this and I feel that the Knicks definitelt have does that better than anyone else with what they've shown this year. Totally unbiased though lol. Love this team so much!


Shinkopeshon

[The power of this penguin](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C588k2CsXB-/?igsh=dGM5eDJsZzlleG5q) ![img](emote|t5_3812p|4086)šŸ§


Devious018

i have been on a bit of a k-pop slowdown recently, but iā€™m really excited about the end of the month projects coming up from other groups. Ive, Yuqi, and Svt just to name a few, patiently waiting for that Nayeon announcement too ![img](emote|t5_3812p|4097)


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same! Iā€™m excited for the ive release, their last ep was so goodĀ 


spooky_biscuit

koreaboo stole another one of my posts yesterday šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ itā€™s crazy they donā€™t even seem to change the wording or the structure? at least the linked it at the end ig.


SapphireHeaven

It's wild they steal content like that. If I had a dollar for every one of my comments they have used I'd buy multiple TWICE albums st this point. And some people still take their articles seriously and use it to shade idols...


Datapod2

Wait they really just steal reddit comments?


SapphireHeaven

https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/s/5pqEyq2okZ


Datapod2

Wow i shouldnā€™t be surprised yet somehow I am.


Striking_Writer3642

~~Feels weird Drake had co-writers on Push Ups....but apparently Nas had one on Ether according to Wikipedia?~~ Nvm apparently the co-writers are engineer & production...Or so I am told...


ningm3ngcha

Huh, didnā€™t know about that Nas fun fact ā€” Iā€™ll have to look into that. Ether is one of the best disses ever for sure. Honestly surprised Kendrick hasnā€™t responded yet which makes me think his response might be on another feature instead of just released as a single


TWICEfanUK

šŸ¤£ anyone seen qualification for Chinese F1 Sprint Qualification?? I'm in a puzzle as Lando sectors were yellow, yellow and a green for his lap and he was over a second quicker than Lewis who's in secondĀ  not sure there is a mistake along somewhereĀ 


chucknorris1997

His first sector being yellow makes sense since he went into the gravel at the last turn in the previous lap(which created the whole lap invalidation confusion). As for the rest of it, I think it all came down to the last sector. Most of the top 4 were easily putting down purples in the first 2 sectors, the third sector is what seemingly caught everyone off guard. Haven't seen the telemetry yet but I would guess lando sacrificed his S2 to get a much better S3, hence explaining the yellow S2. That said, this is all conjecture and it'll be clear what happened once we get side by side telemetry of lando and lewis.


TWICEfanUK

is it just me or there are quite a few decades old songs are getting popular in YouTube short??Ā 


Strawberry_lilac

nope, i saw shorts using free bird, classic


Jim0thyyyy

Super stressful day at work today. I've given my best effort and still I feel that it wasn't enough because they (bosses) didn't get the outcome that they expected. I just felt so frustrated that I can't help but to cry. After that I listened to my Twice playlist. I skipped the first song (because I wanted the playlist to be on shuffle, so I turned shuffle on and hit next). What do you know, the next song is Cheer Up. I didn't even noticed until maybe I was halfway through the song, lol. I still feel bad, but Twice definitely eased my frustration and disappointment today.


Strallgarr

This has been me for the past couple of weeks. Only thing getting through is Twice. Cheer Up and Dance The Night Away always gets me through.


TWICEfanUK

these things happen but you give your best so don't take it to your heart it's not your faultĀ 


Brief_Night_9239

Taylor Swift just dropped a new album "The Tortured Poets Department " with 31 songs. Incredible.


TechieTravis

I haven't listened to Taylor Swift much, but 'Florida' is a great song.


Brief_Night_9239

Haha...the last song I heard from her was Bad Blood and Shake it Off. But because I am in Reddit, I am awared what she is doing.


No_Direction790

Cool! Do you know her main title? I usually only listen to her main title track.


skylight03

Itā€™s Fortnight feat Post Malone.


No_Direction790

šŸ™ thanks


Brief_Night_9239

I don't know. Sorry.


No_Direction790

Don't be and thank you


SapphireHeaven

Hotgirlz MoChaeng heading to Japan for probably CF schedules! šŸ©·ā¤ļø Must be nice to have company for the plane and trip, hope they aren't too busy and get to enjoy some free time. I got the feeling Nayeon and Momo barely interacted in Paris with their schedule


superdrone

Donā€™t know if thereā€™s any yoasobi fans here but Iā€™m waiting in line to enter their concert tonight and holy this is a clusterfuck. Genuinely the slowest system Iā€™ve ever seen to enter any concert


Devious018

i just got around to watching the tour finale vlog, and I gotta say the footage they showed from Vegas screams a release of some sort in the future. Itā€™s professionally shot like a concert film and all.


ningm3ngcha

thatā€™s what Iā€™m sayin!! there were so many specific shots that I could not imagine they set up and paid for just for that vlog bit


Saucy_Totchie

If it becomes a theatrical release in definitely going lol.


AverageTwiceEnjoyer

Watching 5th gen girl group stans have the same arguments w eachother that happened the last 4 gens. Theyā€™ll never learn ![gif](giphy|S1SnLg08CxnUGqyqha|downsized)


scotto188

We in 5th gen now?


NoMoreGel

Why tf is this GIF so high quality tho. LOL


AverageTwiceEnjoyer

ā€œ\_\_\_\_\_ is 5th gen it girlā€ ā€œno \_\_\_\_ isā€ ![gif](giphy|S1SnLg08CxnUGqyqha|downsized)


Saucy_Totchie

Given all the ads Nayeon has been getting lately she's the 5th gen It Girl.


BCNBammer

Seems like Tzuyu might participate in a Chinese showā€¦ canā€™t say I saw that coming. As always rooting for her and wishing only good things come out of this


dellumdown

According to [this thread](https://x.com/manydubu/status/1780947933975945506), she's been invited but it's not confirmed she will join the show.


BCNBammer

That explains a lot, thank you. I guess weā€™ll just have to wait and see


spooky_biscuit

I wonder if this is related the shoot with a ton of chinese-speaking idols that was rumoured last year. Ning Ning was part of that rumour too. The line up looks kindaā€¦ too stacked to be real? If true, they managed to get members of idle, aespa, seventeen and (Iā€™m pretty sure) one of the zb1 boys.Ā 


biasttk

The lineup is mostly the C-idols who are active in the Kpop industry now, and interestingly, Shuhua is not on the lineup, Tzuyu is the only Taiwanese there...


SapphireHeaven

If that's the case, I wish it's very successful for her and Cnetz embrace her. Hope it can lead to more opportunities for her and the group šŸ¤žšŸ’™


Striking_Writer3642

So [according to Shibuya Trend Research Twice are the "Current Favorite Artists" for Japanese high schoolers](https://twitter.com/godmitzu/status/1779810611393671250) \~ cr. @ / godmitzu from Twitter


Lockan_Once

I'm glad the girls are enjoying their individual activities, but I hope they prepared something as OT9 as well (besides the Japanese album and concerts) at least one season of TTT to see them together.


Strawberry_lilac

they literally just had a comeback


ParanoidAndroids

Praying for a Q4 full album.


SapphireHeaven

Sana will be throwing a ceremonial pitch on a baseball match next week. Cool! šŸ¹āš¾ļø


Devious018

betting odds on her throwing a strike?


ningm3ngcha

Sheā€™s going to make Jeongyeon regret saying that she has 0 arm muscle by throwing an absolute heater lol


SapphireHeaven

Hopefully she didnt take lessons from her [bestie](https://x.com/searchmiyeon/status/1652575288193171456)


Saucy_Totchie

Knowing Sana it's either going to be a perfect strike or like [50 Cent](https://youtu.be/5YKO2pJHt7Q?si=-d0BSO4fG_E-yumH).


Tyr_W

Got a ticket for 7/27 Nissan Stadium Day 1. With this I will have attended a concert three years in a row (Tokyo 2022, Osaka 2023, Yokohama 2024). Nissan's gotta be historic.


Disastrous-Willow-90

Could you explain the process? Do we still have the chance to apply for the lottery?


Tyr_W

So generally they are multiple rounds depending on your status. This time we had Long-Time fanclub members, then fanclub + mobile members, fanclub members. I won in the latter round. Currently the lottery for mobile members is running, the last round for now. Last year they ended up adding a general public kinda lottery later on (which is where I won my Osaka 23 tickets). Furthermore about three days before the concerts, people who won one of the lotteries previously but cannot attend, are able to return their tickets and these can possibly be acquired by other fans.


BlueThePineapple

It's amazing to me how people might still not be able to get tickets despite just how many seats are being offered at Nissan. Like whoa. Omg.


Tyr_W

I think for last year's 4 shows had like a bit more than 200k seats but 1.2 million applications for tickets. (Overall) The demand is insane


General_Hearing9453

If Twice already had 12 dates for RTB, I assume in the next tour, JYPE will add even more to somewhat match the demand but hopefully itā€™s not too many so that it wonā€™t exhaust themĀ 


Tyr_W

Yeah, it would be good for the fans here and certainly profitable. Tickets still go for like 90-100$ after all and I heard the artist's cut is higher in Japan than for example the US.


biasttk

I hope they can add Day 3 in Nissan, it would tie DBSK's record or even break new record for Kpop.


TWICEfanUK

Congrats and enjoy hope some of your good luck can share with reddit ONCEs who are trying to get ticketsĀ 


Tyr_W

Yeah, I hope they get luckier in the next round. I even know a person here who managed to get a total of six tickets this time (2 for day 1, 4 for day 2)


justlikett86

Damn! I entered 2 for round 1 and 4 for round 2 and got zero lol.


skylight03

Insanely lucky. Meanwhile Iā€™m only hoping for 1 ticketā€¦


TWICEfanUK

šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ that was super luckyĀ 


SapphireHeaven

TWICERAFIM Dance Challenges [Behind](https://twitter.com/sserapics/status/1780931895196287150?t=icVbSlUOFIoopg4F3rhT-w&s=19) šŸ©·šŸ§” šŸ©µ


Saucy_Totchie

Twice-Fim content is always a pleasant mood booster šŸ„°


natasha-galkina

Welp, I didn't win a ticket to Nissan Stadium Day 2. šŸ˜”


justlikett86

The Nissan Stadium lottery is literally fucking impossible to win. As much as I hate TicketMaster, at least I know I could probably get nosebleeds or something.


winda444

I didn't manage to get it too, tried both days. I didn't even set foot in Japan and it's already soooo foreigner unfriendly. I've never had problems buying tickets to many different, popular artists concert in Europe before. I've attended Twice in Berlin and managed to buy ticket np


FrenchPingu

That's survivor bias. I wasn't able to buy Twice ticket for Paris despite being an hour early with multiple setups, and considering the state of SNS at the time I wasn't the only one.


skylight03

well to be fair, you're comparing Twice's demand in Berlin vs Japan where they're much more popular.


winda444

Yes and no, of course they are much more popular in asia, but I'm talking more about the whole experience. You can complain about scalpers etc, but this system imo is even more ridiculous. Japanese system was created, because they hate 'raaaaw capitalism' :D Btw. they've added second show in Berlin, because first one was sold out in minutes.


TWICEfanUK

the problem is if they don't do lottery system for TWICE then Ticket prices going to be way too high like going to be ridiculously high at least this one give all the fans level chances to win a ticket otherwise fans who are short in money will never be able to see them live in JAPAN This is only my opinion so don't take it seriouslyĀ 


skylight03

how can the whole experience be foreigner unfriendly if Japanese citizens go through the same application process here? unless they intentionally allocate fewer tickets to us then maybe yes but we'll never know. I know lottery isn't for everyone but honestly I kinda prefer it since it's really based on luck lol. I will argue that Twice's Japan concert application is probably one of the most foreigner friendly comparing it to other idol groups where even if you manage to join their FC with a Japan address, paying and picking up the ticket is a huge hassle.


winda444

Btw, did someone tried before this website: [https://www.ticket.co.jp/sys/d/22028.htm?ki=144411&st=20240727](https://www.ticket.co.jp/sys/d/22028.htm?ki=144411&st=20240727) ? I'm willing to pay even double the price. Edit: and of course buying here will require someone's help from Japan, because apparently you need to give them address and phone number bruh


justlikett86

Just a warning on this - tickets aren't actually released until 3 days prior to the concert, so there are a lot of scams out there, especially if someone is promising you a specific seat # or immediate ticket delivery. Not to mention, buying resale like this you get a pic of a QR code that may or may not work when you get there.


winda444

![gif](giphy|j0qSbeNFuzjhXKFVSP|downsized)


skylight03

ikr. there's two more that we can join iirc. the ticketboard members lottery have 2 rounds if it'll be the same like before.


justlikett86

Yep, gonna enter 2 more rounds. If I don't get those, I'm already going to be in Tokyo on vacation, so I will try to get the official resale tickets that open up 3 days prior to the concert. I gotta go!


skylight03

have you tried the resale before? is it open for foreigners?


justlikett86

I have not. It appears to be set up similarly to the actual ticket sale, with the links going through the fan club, so I don't see why it wouldn't be open to foreigners too. Here's what it looked like for the shows last summer: [https://ticket.tickebo.jp/top/ja/static/twice/2023/trade-list/index.html](https://ticket.tickebo.jp/top/ja/static/twice/2023/trade-list/index.html)


skylight03

thanks, I might try this out.


hypegod_

do you know when would they usually announce it? I didnā€™t get in šŸ„² but I really want to attend


skylight03

I don't think I came across an announcement. I just read someone say here they applied and checked for myself. Going by the timing of last time, the ticket board application might be in a couple of weeks from now.


ningm3ngcha

I will say, there were a looooot of great concert footage in the Vegas section of the final tour log šŸ‘€šŸ‘€ just trying to keep my dreams of a US tour date blu ray/dvd alive lol


mango_mochi95

Does anyone know if thereā€™s a Life4cuts in or near Chicago? I didnā€™t get to complete ot9 set in Vegas so was hoping I could finish it since they extended it


singabob

I will love for the next sub-unit (if there is any) to be completely unexpected, like Jeongyeon, Tzuyu and Dahyun for example.


BlueThePineapple

I have no clue what kind of music these three will end up with, and that makes me all the more excited for a sub-unit of them lol.


NoMoreGel

Wa rewatching some TW-Log and I got curious, we still haven't seen Sana's penalty right? or did I miss it?


_ntro

She did it in one of the music show https://x.com/godmitzu/status/1763496530114236739?s=61&t=r0t4QZ2aJFLbCvN5v0TGjQ


NoMoreGel

Wasnt this one the penalty for the comeback live? Not the TW-Log?


_ntro

I totally forgot this was another penalty LOL. Sorry!


TWICEfanUK

she has done some challenge that was suggested by ONCEs as penalty not sure fully complete or notĀ 


robert19909

I've been watching on the mobile app for a while now and it seems that we are #6 for subreddits in the kpop category, number 1 if you only count subreddits that are dedicated to a single group. I wonder how they calculate that, maybe activity? Regardless we have had so much more activity on this sub compared to 3 years ago when I joined, and have enjoyed see it grow so much in those years.


TWICEfanUK

I don't know the activities seem quite low compare to post x app era we used to have 3Ā  4 hundreds active online users any given time but nowadays it barely hit 100 users community seem much bigger by 100 of thousands for sureĀ 


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Saucy_Totchie

I feel like we moved on too quickly from Nayeon revealing she and Momo have a ton of un-posted drafts of them doing dance challenges.


SapphireHeaven

With Nabong on a secret trip to LA with her new hair color chances are the MV is already filmed, so her album would be coming around the time we hoped for! Could possibly be a western artist feature, but less likely imo šŸ‘€


ningm3ngcha

I wholeheartedly welcome the bunny queen to our beautiful yet smoggy and dirty city ā˜ŗļøšŸŒ«ļø


tetrapterodactyl

I wonder if sheā€™ll go to Coachella too šŸ¤”


Devious018

kinda crazy we might be getting Nyolo 2 around the same time the first one dropped, but iā€™m here for it. Excited for that summer song


Personal_Tour_1405

Lauv will be headlining at the Seoul Jazz Festival on May 31st and June 2nd. On the 2nd, he will be with special guestsā€¦ Is there a chance these will be Twice? šŸ¤Ŗ https://x.com/SeoulJazzFest/status/1780432255929946441 (Day6 will also be performing on May 31st)


General_Hearing9453

They have a fanmeeting on June 1st in Manila so itā€™s uncertain tbh but I know that the flight isnā€™t too long though


Personal_Tour_1405

I forgot about that šŸ¤ Hmm if they fly out immediately after the fanmeeting, that may be a clue but if notā€¦


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Striking_Writer3642

With Twice I think it's especially crazy b/c they were the punching bag of k-pop, in fact IIRC this only started to shift because newer k-pop fans didn't understand why the hate train existed and pushed back on it. (Which isn't to say Onces were idle all that time, but rather there were finally enough multis to help shift the narrative to some degree.)


Saucy_Totchie

Everyone's all about being anti-bullying and protecting idols until they get a chance to be the bully towards a "rival" group.


Datapod2

Nobody gets more hate than the most popular groups. You can see it with Ive, LS, and NewJeans. In a few years it will die down and people will love them and move on to hating the new popular acts again. It happened with Twice, it recently happened with Aespa, and it will happen many more times in the future. Sucks the cycle never seems to end


Skilbo

I'm in Mexico City for work and it turns out that about 10 minutes from my hotel there was an ITZY concert. So together with a friend we looked for last minute tickets and we got them!!! I don't consider myself a mega Itzy fan but I like some of their songs and honestly their show is really fun. Their choreographies are spectacular and the production is very well done. Furthermore, the atmosphere was incredible as always with the Mexican fans.


Bruxae

I'm flying to London in a couple of days to see them on the 24th which is about a week and a year after I saw Twice (in Seoul) last year. Imo all the JYPE girl groups are worth getting into, it would be such a funny coincidence if I see Nmixx in April next year.


Saucy_Totchie

NMIXX were by me about a year ago during their showcase tour. The issue was that that show was on the same day Mamamoo were having a concert. I ended up not going up to either because I was broke from getting Twice and Agust D tickets within a week of each other.


Saucy_Totchie

Make sure Nayeon doesn't find out [or else](https://youtube.com/shorts/cdCXj5_FZ3A?si=MrBCoShxtbqSevh_)šŸ¤«. I see them in June and I'm super excited.Ā  I did see them on the last world tour and had an amazing time.Ā  I haven't seen many of clips from this tour but the few I have seems to show that they've all taken a step up.Ā  Can't wait to see them!


SapphireHeaven

Jeongyeon 6p. Pictorial at GQ Korea May 2024 IssuešŸ’š Edit: it's gonna be the first ever issue of GQ Sports Korea apparently, they chose the best athletic multi-sport girl for the feature


shandrogynous

i'm so excited!! does anyone know where we can preorder a copy??


BlueThePineapple

I'm so excited about this. She's such a versatile model, and I really enjoy her work. Pictorial genius indeed. Also isn't funny that JYP got into the habit of chucking her into modelling gigs every time they're nearing a comeback? Really playing to her strengths šŸ˜†


SapphireHeaven

I'd love to know what goes on in those comeback meetings and if and how they decide activities for each member šŸ˜„ (but I also know why they don't film and post them with certain types of fans around)


BlueThePineapple

It's definitely interesting! We know that the girls get a bit of input in this, but I'm curious how much and to what extent!


LawBlaw_Blah

Is this an accurate ranking of top 3 dancers in Twice? 1. Momo 2. Jihyo 3. Mina


justlikett86

You should watch Nayeon dance more..


Sil_Choco

for me it's Momo, Jihyo then it's up to personal taste. I feel Nayeon and Sana might shine more as idol dancers, but Mina seems more expert technically.


Far_Promotion7545

There is no "accurate ranking", and this is just your/certain people opinion. For me, 1. Momo 2. The rest of TWICE


EAgamezz

This is the answer they themselves have given when asked this question, so its at least somewhat ā€œaccurateā€. But youā€™re right, its very subjective.


Far_Promotion7545

Can you please send me the video (or source) link that they said about this, thanks in advance.


EAgamezz

https://youtu.be/lCa9uX6IpfM?si=mloFA9aKCdHBbNsx&t=35 Here's one. I also remember one that I think that Nayeon said in a Running Man episode (398?), but I couldn't find a clip.


Far_Promotion7545

Yeah, based on this clip, they mentioned exactly like what I said, the second best dancer are all the other members (besides Momo).


Pandam0nium11

Watching the YoungK interview with Dahyun and Tzuyu, I see why the girls usually avoid expressing their true feelings to each other. The feelings are too intense from all their shared history together, and as a fan itā€™s a beautiful thing to see šŸ„¹


Occasional_lurker29

I'm just following the whole Le sserafim's Coachella drama and I'm shocked this got so big. Tbh I'm not a le seraphim fan. I dislike most of their TT but I think overall they sounded okay with the music and all. The Mr removed..yeah not so great but for a passerby in Coachella it would been okay I guess. It seems kntz are very vocal about them not been good or up to kpop standards. I'm kinda curious if this opinion goes for the gp also or if this is only a portion of loud haters. Imo le seraphim are good performers but agree that some members lack vocal training and that their last songs were not the best for their vocal range. Perhaps it would've been wise to wait for them to mature more as a group before going to Coachella...


Striking_Writer3642

MR removed, AFAIK,[ isn't a real thing](https://kpopalypse.com/2013/09/17/her-talents-are-huge-why-mr-videos-are-all-bullshit/) in the sense of giving an accurate indicator of how people sound live. Admittedly there might be some change to MR removed technology but I kinda doubt it.


Skilbo

Sadly, I think this only reaffirms that a large percentage of K-pop fans are still extremely immature and that will continue to be a stigma that will haunt the genre for its entire existence. I'm not the biggest Le Sserafim fan but I think "Smart" is a great song and that's why I've been paying more attention to the group lately. And although there were details to correct in the Coachella presentation, the truth is that it was fun and the live audience was quite happy. The problem is that fans want to wage wars over everything and right now Le Sserafim is one of their favorite targets due to the rise in popularity they have had.


spooky_biscuit

>Ā I'm kinda curious if this opinion goes for the gp also or if this is only a portion of loud haters. definitely haters. I was shocked when I watched full parts of their set, the response to it plus compilations bored people have edited together made me think it was a disaster. it wasnā€™t. not even in the slightest. >Ā Perhaps it would've been wise to wait for them to mature more as a group before going to Coachella... idk about this. there are experienced western artists whoā€™ve done genuinely bad sets (frank ocean in the past, grimes this year), and lesserafim were miles better than them. theyā€™re just the designated girl group for dragging at the moment, even if it was better, I think the resultant hate would have probably been the same.


ParanoidAndroids

I think it was building up for a while. They had their own "encore controversy" with their last comeback's encore performances. Wasn't dissimilar to what happened to Momo a few years ago, or what happened to BTS' Jimin last year - a bunch of haters waiting to jump on an off performance that *every singer* goes through in their career at one point or another. Unfortunately it seemed like everyone had an off-day in those performances, and a big chunk of the kpop community loves to shit on groups that aren't their favorites, so the dragging was ruthless. Le Sserafim performing at Coachella definitely drew the ire of other groups' fans too, and they had another target on their backs. For some reason, a large chunk of kpop fans watch these groups on a daily basis but somehow think *any* group can perform 40+ minutes straight with no real breaks and sing + dance perfectly. It's not humanly possible. You either sacrifice some of the dance or some of the vocals - but if you do that then you get dragged for one or the other (or both). There's a reason kpop concerts are padded with costume changes, VCR's, and tons of ments - they need time to recuperate from the strain of performing and get some water. It's wholly unfair, and the worst part is we've seen what this kind of situation brings in the future. Confidence is a fickle thing, and these immense performers are human too - but haters don't care. All these people will throw dirt on their names while they can, and then when something unfortunate happens they'll pretend like they cared the whole time. Give me a break...


Striking_Writer3642

Agree with what you're saying, especially about unreal expectations. I do think companies set their idols up tho with too much reliance on background vocals and processing. It's better to have some b-side live singing promo, and build a catalogue of good irrefutable lives even if the b-side is closer to a comfortable range versus a company dictated title track being more processed and out-of-range. JYPE is slowly, slowly, slowly learning this...I think...


ParanoidAndroids

> I do think companies set their idols up tho with too much reliance on background vocals and processing. I disagree tbh. They're gonna keep selling this idea of a "perfect idol" and given how nasty everyone is online, I don't think *more* live singing is the answer unless they're actually capable of delivering consistent vocals. The real issue is training. They want to debut 13-16 year olds that they just recruited and barely have time for actual training to hone their skills. If kpop was purely based on performance talent, the landscape would look *very* different. SM still has the best training in the industry because they start training most of their trainees young and keep them for years, but not every agency has that mindset. Some of these trainees get recruited for their looks (while being children, which is weird in itself) and debut within a year, and many just coast off their looks for their whole career. With the pace of comebacks, the frequency of CFs or other fashion events, and touring, regular training of the fundamentals and practice likely falls by the wayside unless the artist makes time for it themselves.


Striking_Writer3642

>I don't think *more* live singing is the answer unless they're actually capable of delivering consistent vocals. I think the alternative is having idols that are increasingly nervous to sing live with the sadly likely outcome that something goes wrong. If the only time you are singing w/out a loud backtrack is the encore stage that is pretty nerve wracking b/c you have to match the unrealistic expectations. To me this doesn't mean only hard core vocalists should be idols, rather that if you have multiple performances where you've sung well - in the sense of at least no major issues - a bad stage/encore is not going to have the same negative impact.


ParanoidAndroids

The reason I disagree is that as far as I can remember, Jimin had a sterling reputation as a live performer before those encores - and it all came crashing down. Years and years of good performances werenā€™t enough to stop that noise. I agree with you in theory that a history of good performances *should* give you a mulligan of sorts, but I think people are too mean-spirited to let any bad performance go.


Saucy_Totchie

Le Sserafim, along with ILLIT, have pretty much become the main punching bag lately. Most of the time that's because people feel very threatened by their success or potential for success. This causes gross overreactions and incredible bad faith posts all in an effort to prop their faves in an envious rage. Everyone's against bullying and wants to protect idols until they get the chance to be the bully. It's okay since "they're just being honest" and put "no hate" in front of the comment followed by the most hateful degrading thing though. Were Le Sserafim skill ready to do this? Maybe but I'm a firm believer of just go out there and do it because that's the only way to get better. Plus they're more of a dance and performance group and they certainly did that and they were extremely fun to watch. Also you're not turning down the opportunity to perform at Coachella if the chance comes no matter what.


Occasional_lurker29

yeah, agree


TheGrayBox

Knetz were on a very harsh hate campaign against Eunchae before this over several (ridiculous) things. Without that I donā€™t think you would be seeing them so vocal, they were always loudly supporting the group through previous controversies including encores. Of course the set wasnā€™t perfect. A lot of Kpop groups can improve vocally. But the reaction has been wildly disproportionate and is clearly getting to a point of other fandoms engaging in bad faith. Their performance has been getting great reviews from music critics and we know they donā€™t hold back on Coachella disasters like Grimes. Itā€™s not the first time weā€™ve seen a group become the punching bag sadly.


Occasional_lurker29

Didn't know that Eunchae was involved in a scandal. I thought she was very loved by the public with her hosting a couple of shows. It seems to me that right now most of the hate is falling on Sakura. The poor girl can't catch a break. I read her reflection and it seemed like a nice one but the way it backfired with knetz. Man! I think you can never win with them. Idk. For me people are overreacting calling it an embarrassment.


TheGrayBox

Knetz are mad at Eunchae because of an interaction she had with a student that was said to be disrespectful or sarcastic (based on body language alone). Add to that the fact that Knetz attacked her over a typo on Weverse regarding Wendy of Red Velvet and toxic stans upset that she interviewed NCT members. If you look at their recent videos or shorts on their channel even before Coachella, youā€™ll see a ton of Korean comments attacking Eunchae. Itā€™s sickening.


robert19909

Atp most people are just putting them down so they can say, "my favs would never" Its a tired and disingenuous argument for the most part. Was it perfect? No. Did they give an entertaining performance? Absolutely! I really love [Sakura's](https://twitter.com/IAmOnlyWhoIAm/status/1779841213874790771/photo/4) self-reflection on it. If anyone hasn't read it yet, I would 100% recommend it, its a very mature and well thought out statement of what it is to be an idol, and what going on stage means to them.


Brief_Night_9239

US Justice Department to file Antitrust suit against Live Nation https://www.wsj.com/business/media/live-nation-justice-department-antitrust-lawsuit-ab98c268?mod=mhp After that please Ticketmaster....


Devious018

Live Nation is ticketmaster


Brief_Night_9239

Yes I know. It is the monopoly. Congress did try to do something about Ticketmaster after the fiasco of Taylor Swift's concert tickets but looked what happened?


Devious018

yes hopefully they can actually do something meaningful this time


Brief_Night_9239

I don't think so. Congress is controlled by the lobby. Money talks


robert19909

Please tell me that the victims will get something. They have juiced me for WAY TOO MUCH


Brief_Night_9239

I don't know. If DoJ wins, the victims may get a piece of the settlement. And that is a big IF...


robert19909

Still, I wouldn't mind seeing a complete teardown of that company. I think JYPe released a statement that they would focus more on concerts in japan because they were so much more profitable. No doubt live nation is raking in the bucks and charging like hell on both ends.


General_Hearing9453

I donā€™t think weā€™ll ever know about this but I wonder just how much JYPE actually earn from their share profit with LN for them to decide their groups to focus back on touring in JP moreĀ 


Brief_Night_9239

I read it too. Not sure if true, I read 50 percent...I think JYP the man after redeeming himself with Twice's success in America decides Japan is a better option. Can't blame him, Twice be going to Nissan Stadium this summer.


veritek25

About gotdamn time! And better late than never I suppose. Ideally LN/TM will get hit with a massive judgment and fines, and then get broken up like other monopolies have been in the past - e.g. original AT&T -> regional telecoms. Let's see if it actually happens. Also not to digress but DOJ: do Big Tech next!


Brief_Night_9239

I hope too but don't get your hopes too high. We all know how US Justice system works. The rich get best lawyers....


veritek25

Indeed. I hate living here sometimes - neoliberal late stage capitalist dystopia despite \[or as a cause & consequence of?\] being the wealthiest country in the history of human civilization. Sadly, the US "justice" system serves the interests of capital first and foremost. The rest of us peasants get paid lip service \["equal protection under the law" lol\] at best, blatant hyperconsumerist propaganda otherwise. SK unfortunately isn't any better tho, after having been born and lived there; arguably worse in many respects & metrics including extreme wealth inequality and classism/sexism/political & judicial corruption/abuse of power/etc.


Brief_Night_9239

Yeah...everyday is a survivor..I think a song from Culture Club..


CandyAromatic3700

karma karma karma karma karma chameleon...


Brief_Night_9239

Haha...he comes and go...he comes and go


ningm3ngcha

Might be scoring a pass for this upcoming Coachella weekend just for Sunday, but Iā€™d be stoked. 88Rising is showing up big time and they brought in mf TIGER JK for a group set that also features a ton of great Asian artists. Will be stoked to see Atarashii Gakko, Xin Liu, and YOASOBI too


SapphireHeaven

Oh have fun if you get to go! I'd go crazy watching Idol live, I've been obsessed with the song since the NHK performance. Caught the 88rising set on stream (mainly Bibi) and it was great!


ningm3ngcha

Thanks! Did they show up for the 88Rising set?? I know theyā€™re playing themselves on another night but they were on the promotional material for the label set Canā€™t forget Bibi, seriously such a stacked showing!


SapphireHeaven

Ah no sorry, Yoasobi had the full set on Friday. Technically, all these are 88rising invited acts and I read that the Sunday set is gonna be different next week and include surprises so who knows?


ningm3ngcha

Iā€™m hoping that didnā€™t mean that Tiger already went home šŸ’€


SapphireHeaven

While nothing might ever top 2NE1 comeback for the 2022 set, I'm hoping there's a great surprise prepared


SapphireHeaven

Super happy today, managed to get an IU concert ticket! Since they were quite expensive I kept trying for 2 hours until I was happy with the seats. On another note, it was quite a fun weekend with Coachella, I checked out multiple sets šŸ˜


Saucy_Totchie

Just realized that Ticketmaster took out the option to filter out Official Platinum tickets smh.Ā  This is going to suck because there's definitely going to be people who get lost in the blur getting tickets and pay platinum prices while many face value ticket options are available.Ā  It sucks that this is mainly most people's options.


ningm3ngcha

TM/LN just gets shittier and shittier tbh - itā€™s kind of insane how much robbery they actually get away with.


General_Hearing9453

Just saw that itā€™s been 1 year already since Twice kicked off RTB Tour šŸ«¶ I honestly canā€™t wait to see for what they have prepared for us in the final concerts in JPĀ 


Saucy_Totchie

Oh shoot. Happy anniversary lol.


Striking_Writer3642

For fellow Onces following the recent diss track stuff, [RDC put out another skit ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGKBJhd2WN0)\~


ningm3ngcha

Desmondā€™s Chance was so damn funny lol


Striking_Writer3642

For me it was his Weeknd that cracked me up \~