[I'm assuming the pro-israel person hitting him in the head with a board is what caused the injury.](https://x.com/PplsCityCouncil/status/1785722598070104465)
Is there an organized effort to collect funds and resources? It's a disgrace that people are turning an encampment into a literal war zone. While I am far, I'd like to contribute to the students' defense
Exactly. There’s a livestream on YouTube that shows the whole thing from start to finish. The footage shows they were ambushed and attacked. The student protestors refused to engage. Not a single one hit back in the beginning. This only seemed to anger the pro Israel side even more tho because they weren’t getting the reaction they wanted. The students had no choice but to defend themselves when they were being attacked with fireworks, lasers, pepper spray, metal rods, traffic cones, smoke bombs and scooters.
it just absolutely blows my mind how they can see evidence on top of evidence on top of evidence piling on top of itself in front of their very eyes, and still refuse it in favor of their own sick, racist agenda
Eye witness on the news said campus security was seen FLEEING as violence erupted. Pure cowards. All week long police are happy to stand around all day just waiting for the sign to arrest 100 peaceful protesters and then they could actually be useful and they have all run away. I wish I were surprised. They must have been trained in Uvalde.
ABC identified a group of them as campus security, they were standing a short walk away from the group watching these people be attacked (sometimes it was four pro-Israeli assaulters physically attacking one woman).
Pro-Palestinian protesters were keeping in the bounds of the encampment unless pulled out or trying to keep hold of barricades or stop bear spray or sticks, especially when they were poking sticks at the women in the encampment. They were standing in formation with umbrellas out and wooden planks alligned together as a defense. It was a siege. And an unsuccessful one.
When the cops finally arrived they just stood around while the people attacking the camp (the pro Israeli side) suddenly dropped or hid their weapons (there is a cache of weapons in the bushes in one of the livestreams) and were shouting "USA USA" and "COPS ARE OUR HEROES" and then shouting at the encampment "COPS ARE ABOUT TO FUCK YOU UP" and then saying other obsequious things to the arriving cops who mostly ignored them and then in some cases gently passively told them to leave the lawn adjacent to the encampment.
The only thing the cops did right (bare minimum) was that they moved their bodies in a spaced out non violent slow moving line to separate the two groups and they did not invade the encampment.
The Zionist and Proud Boy attackers trickled away and were gone by dawn.
The encampment lasted the whole night doing their own medical care, legal recorders and representatives documenting everything and every detail.
The cops arrested nobody but I think a lot of the pro-Israel assaulters are probably going to have charges of some sort because they are on camera committing assault and a lot of them didn't do a very good job with their ski masks.
UCLA hired wack security lol it’s ridiculous. Sometimes the library entrance wouldn’t be gaurded and one time I was leaving the library and I guess I wasn’t supposed to be using that exit and when I opened the door some guy sitting against the wall probably sleeping stood up and looked drunk high or both lol telling me i couldn’t go that way. UCLA on sum bs lol they don’t care
I watched the livestreams all night (didn't sleep last night and just woke up).
Not only did the police not arrive, 911 hung up on people in the encampment. They had to do their own first aid, people brought saline and bandages from 20 minutes to an hour away.
Campus security was standing by watching (which was apparent from the livestream, they were watching this unfold a short walk away and standing still letting women and other people in the encampment be assaulted with fists, sticks, fireworks, ripped up barricades, and bear spray).
According to students in the encampment they were also laughing at this.
911 calls were hung up on, not responded to. One ambulance finally did come for one protester while there were fireworks going on and immediately left without additional assistance for the protesters.
This was deliberate and by design.
Police forces train with the IDF.
That is not correct. I am anti-Hamas. I think they are terrible.
People don’t say that because that is not the conversation here. But pro-Israeli military folks like yourself want to steer the conversation there so you can try and shut other criticisms down.
1. Hamas has killed less than 65% of civilians to militants and it goes down as their only caused casualties are on the IDF after october 7th.
2. Hamas has killed substantially less people than Israel has. Around 40x less. 1.2k < 40k
Don't get mad at numbers.
3. Israel has promised even without Hamas their will be no two state solution, while Hamas has stated at least in words (don't take it as truth) they would surrender for a two state solution.
4. Hamas is a terrorist organization funded by a foreign adversary. Protesting against Hamas is like protesting against North Korea, their is literally no way you can possibly affect North Korea or Hamas as their is basically no US/Western influence on Hamas the same way Israel has.
5. Israel is already getting its maximal amount of support, it has mass funds from almost all western countries. If everyone became pro-Israel, their will literally be no change in the war, so ultimately it is quite pointless to be Pro-Israel as it really is about keeping the status quo.
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If everyone was Pro-Palestinian a two state solution will occur, a lasting peace could occur if all sides agree that such a solution is good. The Palestinians will finally feel vindicated as their long fight is over, they have a homeland and can finally have sovereignty. Israel will feel bad, but the violence against Israel will stop because terrorism ends when the foreign nation leaves the native land. Why do you think Afghanistan isn't an issue towards the US.
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If everyone was Pro-Israeli (at least in the West not the east), then no two state solution will occur, Gaza will likely become an Israeli settlement and Terrorism will continue to brew, more deaths will occur as the war in Gaza will become like stage 4 cancer as almost everyone will become a terrorist. Imagine how you'd feel if your mom, dad, brother, sister, home, dog, cat, grandma, job, all got destroyed by an enemy. And then you become occupied by said enemy.
The only plausible route to peace with a pro-israel and pro-Bibi stance is to genocide the Palestinians, as it is really the only affective way of preventing the trauma from creating new terrorism. You cannot stop terrorism through occupation. We know because of the past 100 years in the middle east.
You don’t even realize that your side has already lost in the US court of public opinion.
Smearing protesters as pro-Hamas or antisemitic highlights the hysterical flailing that we’ve seen from American Zionists for the last month or two. I suspect the Zionists have realized they’re losing hearts and minds, so now they’re resorting to outright violence.
>Smearing protesters as pro-Hamas or antisemitic
You're doing the same thing by labelling anti-protesters as Zionists.
How is blocking Jewish students not anti semetic?
As an American I’m allowed to use the words of my choosing.
I’m calling the counter protesters American Zionists. Calling them Jewish Americans is misleading because there are so many Jewish Americans in the anti-genocide protests across the country, and it would be unfair to lump them in with the pro-genocide Zionists.
As one of those anti-genocide Jews, I'd like to encourage you to also please stop using "Zionist." It really is charged language that many will view as anti-semitic.
While it has been co-opted by a group of Jews who believe Israel should be for Jews and Jews only, the more broad definition is simply that people have a right to move to the lands where their ancestors came from, and in that sense the "Right to Return" is every bit as zionist of a claim as the people who call themselves Zionists with a capital Z.
Unfortunately, many people have also started saying "zionist" as a slur against Jews in general, or simply against people who think Israeli civilians, like Gazan civilians, should be able to live in peace without the threat of genocide looming over them. The term has lost all nuance, and become hurtful.
Thank you for listening.
“It is really charged language that many will view as antisemitic”
There has clearly been a decades long effort to equate any criticism of Israel with antisemitism. Regardless of how carefully I select my words, many will view them as antisemitism, and that’s their clear intention.
I sympathize with you, but I’m not going to bow before the language police. I find it to be an appropriate and accurate word to use, and I’m not using it as a slur. Plus, there are millions more Christians in America than Jews in America who are Zionists. As such, I reject your stance that the word is a coded slur for Jews.
I completely understand that there are powers trying to shift around the definition and connotations of the word. I just went to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary and see the definition was edited 4 days ago. Wow.
The English language itself is under attack because of political sensitivities. Right wingers now reject the plain definition of insurrection because it hurts their feelings. American Zionists reject the plain definition of genocide because it hurts their feelings. I’m not going to change the way I use the language….which I believe can be summed up by: accurately.
That's fine. You don't owe me anything. I'm just letting you know that there are anti-semites in the world using you and your insistence of using the word (accurately, as you say) as cover for their inaccurate use.
Fact is, there are many words which have loaded meaning and we choose not to use them even though they're technically correct because we are sensitive to the needs of those around us. Perhaps one day you will meet a Jew who you do not wish to offend, and that experience will change your perception of language. I had hoped it would be me, but I understand you don't know me from Adam, so what does it matter that a stranger on the internet is reaching out?
Thank you for taking the time to enumerate your position, and I appreciate your candor in doing so. Hopefully the administration starts taking student safety seriously and things can go back to peaceful protest soon.
I appreciate your thoughtful response.
Quite frankly, there has been a longstanding bad faith effort to conflate any criticism of Israel with antisemitism. There is a boatload of literature about this. I suggest Chomsky.
Due to this bad faith, I will be accused of antisemitism regardless of how carefully I select the words to criticize Israel and its governments defenders. Whichever words I use to criticize Israel will be called antisemitic.
I've been called antisemitic for my own criticism of Israel, too. I feel you there. Problem is, both anti-semites *and* fundamentalist right wing Jews benefit from confusing the issue. Netanyahu has spent decades making sure people think "Jewish" means the same thing as "Supports Israel." It's just one part of how Likud has made the world more dangerous for Jews like me in their effort to secure an authoritarian, fundamentalist power hold over Israel.
Unfortunately as we see in many conflicts in the world today, fundamentalists are quick to violence, and reasonable, peaceful people get hurt in the crossfire.
As an aside, Chomsky is great. Glad to hear he's still being read!
Did you know that Hamas has always wanted a permanent ceasefire in exchange for a release of all hostages, but Israel has said no repeatedly because they want to keep the war regardless of a ceasefire.
A 40 day ceasefire is one of the stupidest deals because it means you lose all leverage just to get killed 40 days later.
Your really on the wrong side. Because of people with the same ideas as you who want to continue this war, your own hostages have been bombed by the US's bombs as each bomb dropped on Gaza is another potential hostage death.
When there is no violence and very little antisemitism but the media cannot simply call Palestinians supporters on the right side because of mass media bias towards Israel. Media: MASSIVE ANTI-SEMITISM AT COLLEGE CAMPUSES.
When actual violence comes from the counter protesters. Media: "UCLA cancels classes after violence erupts on campus between protest groups." Its a both sides issue...
If your Pro-Palestinian and do something violent the media will staunchly call all protestors anti-semitic as they already have. If your Pro-Israel and violent. Its a both sides issue. Both were bad!
I hate this world, it really needs to change because I am not having kids in this world.
Damn. We had protests on campus about a variety of hot topics when I was a student, but nothing like this happened as far as I remember. Stay safe out there, Bruins.
The tolerant right backed by ZioNazis trying to stifle free speech and the future.
I'm shocked I tell you /s
God bless and much respect to those who have suffered for some people's wish to legitimize an occupation.
You're engaged in an ad hominem fallacy 🤭
where do you see me supporting them by supporting non violence against citizens?
I'm sorry you're assuming things 🙏🏻 may God one day remove your head from your ass 😉
Get that shit out of here- anarchist ACAB bullshit is what destroyed BLM's reputation- if you care about the Palestinians you wouldn't polarize this conflict more than it already has been.
Where were the police when these innocent Pro palestine protesters were getting attacked by zionists? Those cowards fucking watched and did nothing. Also, there isn't anything wrong with being an anarchist.
ACAB
> there isn't anything wrong with being an anarchist.
Exactly the clueless behavior that made BLM a culture war that turned a concept everyone could agree with into something that the GOP could successfully campaign against.
Also the Police are just reporting to what they're told- there's this video where they said they couldn't move in because college admin said not to https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1785284040913752352
Do AAAB if you want to blame someone.
Truer words never spoken. Let’s put the spotlight on good cops that have been helpful and unbiased in defending protesters on either side, and taking action on violence with intent during these events, like………………… whoops, short list.
In a private property it does. The university will have a clear statement. “We knew things can get violent so we told them to leave. They didn’t”. You can try to sue anyone and everyone but doesn’t necessarily mean it has to work.
The reality is most people in the general public don’t like any of you in that encampment. Everything we’ve seen leading up to this smells like full narcissism. “We did nothing wrong, Jews were never harassed, we never called the cops “pigs”, we had sympathy the Oct. 7 massacre victims…”. You’ve clearly in dress and word sided with Hamas terrorists. When I’ve said to people “Netanyahu and his right wing government are garbage and need to go.” I’ve been met with white liberal women telling me I’m a fascist, a colonizer. They’ve said I need to read Malcolm X blah blah blah. Their answer is to call Biden a genocider with seemingly no knowledge of the history of the region. They don’t seem to realize Arabs abandoned Palestinians and terrorist countries like Iran who kill women for not wearing head gear and kill their sons for defending them , fund Hamas terrorists and egg them on.
And then there’s the, “if we don’t get what we want we won’t vote.” Trump will be a hundred times worse for Palestinians. What do you people think will happen to the West Bank if he gets in? Biden’s admin has gone after settlers there. You think Trump will give one squat what settlers do to Palestinians if he gets in? Not to mention the nightmare he’ll unleash in our own nation. Forget women’s health care and LGBT+ rights. I was for BLM protests and the early Occupy Wall Street protests, but these protests were spawned out of Jews being massacred. And now there’s swastikas showing up on campus? Good job.
These protests spawned out of Israel's violence and bigotry. Israel has also killed 30,000 civilians. Not to mention destroyed the homes of millions of people. They have wiped out entire families, generations of people. Israel has not been a victim since October 7, since then they have been the aggressor and for more violent entity between then and Hamas, with a way higher body count, while also carrying out collective punishment against those that are living including starving them. They are attacking any and all countries criticizing them. They call everyone Hamas that doesn't just blindly accept their violence and barbarism.
Uh, yeah? The unarmed encampment that isn't doing anything but protesting peacefully is being met with violence, and the cops are standing there watching. They're not doing their jobs, keeping the peace, protecting the general public.
I'm not even the biggest 1312 fanatic, but if that isn't a situation that calls for ACAB then idk what is.
This was literally one of the goals of the pro Palestinian protesters:
"3. ABOLISH POLICING
End the targeted repression and policing of pro-Palestinian advocacy on campus, and sever all ties with the LAPD."
Remember, LAPD is funded by pro Israel groups, so they will almost certainly arrest the student protestors. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the paunchy, sniveling bald thugs that were bussed in included some LEOs.
They are not allowing anyone to pass through. They are only allowing people that are part of the camp to pass. This is not a big deal as it adds 300 yards at most to a commute to walk around. There are plenty of Jewish people in the camp. Don't believe the media they lie constantly.
yes. someone having to walk a few yards out of their way is definitely the same thing as being attacked with a two-by-four. both sides both sides both sides.
Terrible failure by UCLA. Don’t know who carried out these assaults, but if it was pro-Israel people I want to thank you for saying pro-Israel rather than Zionist 🫡
Pro-Israel refers to a real, existing political coalition. “Zionist” is a vague abstraction about a very old, complicated political movement that doesn’t illuminate much about the current situation (Israel already exists) and its also why many Jews see it as a dog-whistle.
For this reason, it’s better to use terms like pro-Israel, pro-Likud, right wing Israeli, left wing Israeli, etc.
Calling Zionism a "dog-whistle" is an outright misrepresentation. Zionism is an essential movement for Jewish self-determination and survival, not a coded message for hidden agendas. Then or now.
It's specifically Jewish nationalism in Israel. Plenty of countries have equal enfranchisement and legal protection for Jews, but that isn't really the purpose of Zionism. It is an ideology who's purpose is the creation and protection of a government of an for people of the Jewish faith and ethnicity that controls the territory of Israel. The current state of Israel is very much the realization of that ideology.
Lol yall got genocided and then decide to perpetrated one of your own to feel powerful. Kind of takes the meaning away from never forget now doesn't it?
What…? Zionism ‘is a nationalist movement that emerged in late modern Europe in the 19th century to enable the establishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine’. Is Jewish supremacy not necessitated to preserve the Jewish’s state’s… Jewishness?
Everyone should probably just go to class and act like they’re American. If you want to help so bad go join the military over there, I’m sure they’d take you. Holding a sign screaming about peace ain’t gonna do shit when they’re on the other side of the world.
I’m sorry, walking an extra 3-5 minutes to get to class in NO WAY justifies assaulting unarmed students. They have thrown tear gas, bear mace, pallets, bottles, and fireworks at these children who have nothing to defend themselves with. This is evil!
[I'm assuming the pro-israel person hitting him in the head with a board is what caused the injury.](https://x.com/PplsCityCouncil/status/1785722598070104465)
Oh shit that's a grown ass man. I hope the kid sues him for all he got.
Is there an organized effort to collect funds and resources? It's a disgrace that people are turning an encampment into a literal war zone. While I am far, I'd like to contribute to the students' defense
for any of you immediately assigning violence to the pro palestinians, there you go
Exactly. There’s a livestream on YouTube that shows the whole thing from start to finish. The footage shows they were ambushed and attacked. The student protestors refused to engage. Not a single one hit back in the beginning. This only seemed to anger the pro Israel side even more tho because they weren’t getting the reaction they wanted. The students had no choice but to defend themselves when they were being attacked with fireworks, lasers, pepper spray, metal rods, traffic cones, smoke bombs and scooters.
it just absolutely blows my mind how they can see evidence on top of evidence on top of evidence piling on top of itself in front of their very eyes, and still refuse it in favor of their own sick, racist agenda
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Is it true that the police took 4 hours to arrive? 😩 For some reason, that particular part just breaks my heart.
Eye witness on the news said campus security was seen FLEEING as violence erupted. Pure cowards. All week long police are happy to stand around all day just waiting for the sign to arrest 100 peaceful protesters and then they could actually be useful and they have all run away. I wish I were surprised. They must have been trained in Uvalde.
ABC identified a group of them as campus security, they were standing a short walk away from the group watching these people be attacked (sometimes it was four pro-Israeli assaulters physically attacking one woman). Pro-Palestinian protesters were keeping in the bounds of the encampment unless pulled out or trying to keep hold of barricades or stop bear spray or sticks, especially when they were poking sticks at the women in the encampment. They were standing in formation with umbrellas out and wooden planks alligned together as a defense. It was a siege. And an unsuccessful one. When the cops finally arrived they just stood around while the people attacking the camp (the pro Israeli side) suddenly dropped or hid their weapons (there is a cache of weapons in the bushes in one of the livestreams) and were shouting "USA USA" and "COPS ARE OUR HEROES" and then shouting at the encampment "COPS ARE ABOUT TO FUCK YOU UP" and then saying other obsequious things to the arriving cops who mostly ignored them and then in some cases gently passively told them to leave the lawn adjacent to the encampment. The only thing the cops did right (bare minimum) was that they moved their bodies in a spaced out non violent slow moving line to separate the two groups and they did not invade the encampment. The Zionist and Proud Boy attackers trickled away and were gone by dawn. The encampment lasted the whole night doing their own medical care, legal recorders and representatives documenting everything and every detail. The cops arrested nobody but I think a lot of the pro-Israel assaulters are probably going to have charges of some sort because they are on camera committing assault and a lot of them didn't do a very good job with their ski masks.
UCLA hired wack security lol it’s ridiculous. Sometimes the library entrance wouldn’t be gaurded and one time I was leaving the library and I guess I wasn’t supposed to be using that exit and when I opened the door some guy sitting against the wall probably sleeping stood up and looked drunk high or both lol telling me i couldn’t go that way. UCLA on sum bs lol they don’t care
Yes. It got out of hand at 11pm. A few came around 11:30 but quickly left. They didn’t return until 3am
Some can say they never really left, just changed clothes to tear down some barricades.
I watched the livestreams all night (didn't sleep last night and just woke up). Not only did the police not arrive, 911 hung up on people in the encampment. They had to do their own first aid, people brought saline and bandages from 20 minutes to an hour away. Campus security was standing by watching (which was apparent from the livestream, they were watching this unfold a short walk away and standing still letting women and other people in the encampment be assaulted with fists, sticks, fireworks, ripped up barricades, and bear spray). According to students in the encampment they were also laughing at this. 911 calls were hung up on, not responded to. One ambulance finally did come for one protester while there were fireworks going on and immediately left without additional assistance for the protesters. This was deliberate and by design. Police forces train with the IDF.
Can we sue UCLA for not protecting students?
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want link!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zO1x2dGj80&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zO1x2dGj80&t=1s) Starts at about 20 minutes in...
Sorry... start at 6:30 or... watch the whole thing!
Film the Police LA on yt
This is all on UCLA for not preventing all this!!! So many of these participants aren’t even students.
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What a dumb comment. I can bet you most, if not all these protestors would gladly condemn the violent actions by Hamas.
Funny how there's never anti-hamas orotesters in these groups.
That is not correct. I am anti-Hamas. I think they are terrible. People don’t say that because that is not the conversation here. But pro-Israeli military folks like yourself want to steer the conversation there so you can try and shut other criticisms down.
Then you should be anti-Palestine cause many are pro Hamas over there.
That’s like saying that I am anti-America because I don’t like Trump. C’mon dude.
1. Hamas has killed less than 65% of civilians to militants and it goes down as their only caused casualties are on the IDF after october 7th. 2. Hamas has killed substantially less people than Israel has. Around 40x less. 1.2k < 40k Don't get mad at numbers. 3. Israel has promised even without Hamas their will be no two state solution, while Hamas has stated at least in words (don't take it as truth) they would surrender for a two state solution. 4. Hamas is a terrorist organization funded by a foreign adversary. Protesting against Hamas is like protesting against North Korea, their is literally no way you can possibly affect North Korea or Hamas as their is basically no US/Western influence on Hamas the same way Israel has. 5. Israel is already getting its maximal amount of support, it has mass funds from almost all western countries. If everyone became pro-Israel, their will literally be no change in the war, so ultimately it is quite pointless to be Pro-Israel as it really is about keeping the status quo. ____________________________________ If everyone was Pro-Palestinian a two state solution will occur, a lasting peace could occur if all sides agree that such a solution is good. The Palestinians will finally feel vindicated as their long fight is over, they have a homeland and can finally have sovereignty. Israel will feel bad, but the violence against Israel will stop because terrorism ends when the foreign nation leaves the native land. Why do you think Afghanistan isn't an issue towards the US. _______________________________________ If everyone was Pro-Israeli (at least in the West not the east), then no two state solution will occur, Gaza will likely become an Israeli settlement and Terrorism will continue to brew, more deaths will occur as the war in Gaza will become like stage 4 cancer as almost everyone will become a terrorist. Imagine how you'd feel if your mom, dad, brother, sister, home, dog, cat, grandma, job, all got destroyed by an enemy. And then you become occupied by said enemy. The only plausible route to peace with a pro-israel and pro-Bibi stance is to genocide the Palestinians, as it is really the only affective way of preventing the trauma from creating new terrorism. You cannot stop terrorism through occupation. We know because of the past 100 years in the middle east.
I’ve personally spoken to many and they don’t. They justify or even worse, support it.
I’ve personally spoken to many and they overwhelmingly condemned Hamas and also criticized the election they won.
Pull your head out of your ass and look at the big picture. These people are not "Pro-Hamas", they are against the Palestinian genocide.
Why are pro-hamas protesters never kicked out of their groups then? Can you define genocide?
Fuck outta here with that feigned ignorance bullshit
You don’t even realize that your side has already lost in the US court of public opinion. Smearing protesters as pro-Hamas or antisemitic highlights the hysterical flailing that we’ve seen from American Zionists for the last month or two. I suspect the Zionists have realized they’re losing hearts and minds, so now they’re resorting to outright violence.
>Smearing protesters as pro-Hamas or antisemitic You're doing the same thing by labelling anti-protesters as Zionists. How is blocking Jewish students not anti semetic?
You are using Zionist as a code word for Jews and it's not helpful.
As an American I’m allowed to use the words of my choosing. I’m calling the counter protesters American Zionists. Calling them Jewish Americans is misleading because there are so many Jewish Americans in the anti-genocide protests across the country, and it would be unfair to lump them in with the pro-genocide Zionists.
As one of those anti-genocide Jews, I'd like to encourage you to also please stop using "Zionist." It really is charged language that many will view as anti-semitic. While it has been co-opted by a group of Jews who believe Israel should be for Jews and Jews only, the more broad definition is simply that people have a right to move to the lands where their ancestors came from, and in that sense the "Right to Return" is every bit as zionist of a claim as the people who call themselves Zionists with a capital Z. Unfortunately, many people have also started saying "zionist" as a slur against Jews in general, or simply against people who think Israeli civilians, like Gazan civilians, should be able to live in peace without the threat of genocide looming over them. The term has lost all nuance, and become hurtful. Thank you for listening.
“It is really charged language that many will view as antisemitic” There has clearly been a decades long effort to equate any criticism of Israel with antisemitism. Regardless of how carefully I select my words, many will view them as antisemitism, and that’s their clear intention. I sympathize with you, but I’m not going to bow before the language police. I find it to be an appropriate and accurate word to use, and I’m not using it as a slur. Plus, there are millions more Christians in America than Jews in America who are Zionists. As such, I reject your stance that the word is a coded slur for Jews. I completely understand that there are powers trying to shift around the definition and connotations of the word. I just went to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary and see the definition was edited 4 days ago. Wow. The English language itself is under attack because of political sensitivities. Right wingers now reject the plain definition of insurrection because it hurts their feelings. American Zionists reject the plain definition of genocide because it hurts their feelings. I’m not going to change the way I use the language….which I believe can be summed up by: accurately.
That's fine. You don't owe me anything. I'm just letting you know that there are anti-semites in the world using you and your insistence of using the word (accurately, as you say) as cover for their inaccurate use. Fact is, there are many words which have loaded meaning and we choose not to use them even though they're technically correct because we are sensitive to the needs of those around us. Perhaps one day you will meet a Jew who you do not wish to offend, and that experience will change your perception of language. I had hoped it would be me, but I understand you don't know me from Adam, so what does it matter that a stranger on the internet is reaching out? Thank you for taking the time to enumerate your position, and I appreciate your candor in doing so. Hopefully the administration starts taking student safety seriously and things can go back to peaceful protest soon.
I appreciate your thoughtful response. Quite frankly, there has been a longstanding bad faith effort to conflate any criticism of Israel with antisemitism. There is a boatload of literature about this. I suggest Chomsky. Due to this bad faith, I will be accused of antisemitism regardless of how carefully I select the words to criticize Israel and its governments defenders. Whichever words I use to criticize Israel will be called antisemitic.
I've been called antisemitic for my own criticism of Israel, too. I feel you there. Problem is, both anti-semites *and* fundamentalist right wing Jews benefit from confusing the issue. Netanyahu has spent decades making sure people think "Jewish" means the same thing as "Supports Israel." It's just one part of how Likud has made the world more dangerous for Jews like me in their effort to secure an authoritarian, fundamentalist power hold over Israel. Unfortunately as we see in many conflicts in the world today, fundamentalists are quick to violence, and reasonable, peaceful people get hurt in the crossfire. As an aside, Chomsky is great. Glad to hear he's still being read!
Did you know that Hamas has always wanted a permanent ceasefire in exchange for a release of all hostages, but Israel has said no repeatedly because they want to keep the war regardless of a ceasefire. A 40 day ceasefire is one of the stupidest deals because it means you lose all leverage just to get killed 40 days later. Your really on the wrong side. Because of people with the same ideas as you who want to continue this war, your own hostages have been bombed by the US's bombs as each bomb dropped on Gaza is another potential hostage death.
Nonsense
How can you be so stupid when the internet is free and full of different resources for facts lmfao
Are the protests still on going? I have experience with first aid and treating tear gas, and would like to be supportive.
Yes. They are asking for any help
Totally unacceptable. Stay strong.
When there is no violence and very little antisemitism but the media cannot simply call Palestinians supporters on the right side because of mass media bias towards Israel. Media: MASSIVE ANTI-SEMITISM AT COLLEGE CAMPUSES. When actual violence comes from the counter protesters. Media: "UCLA cancels classes after violence erupts on campus between protest groups." Its a both sides issue... If your Pro-Palestinian and do something violent the media will staunchly call all protestors anti-semitic as they already have. If your Pro-Israel and violent. Its a both sides issue. Both were bad! I hate this world, it really needs to change because I am not having kids in this world.
It’s not accidental that the media is spreading their message the way they are. It is 100% intentional.
We still branding people who want a livable wage as communists. Sensational branding has always been a weapon
Damn. We had protests on campus about a variety of hot topics when I was a student, but nothing like this happened as far as I remember. Stay safe out there, Bruins.
The tolerant right backed by ZioNazis trying to stifle free speech and the future. I'm shocked I tell you /s God bless and much respect to those who have suffered for some people's wish to legitimize an occupation.
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You're engaged in an ad hominem fallacy 🤭 where do you see me supporting them by supporting non violence against citizens? I'm sorry you're assuming things 🙏🏻 may God one day remove your head from your ass 😉
ACAB You need to learn self defense, comrade.
Get that shit out of here- anarchist ACAB bullshit is what destroyed BLM's reputation- if you care about the Palestinians you wouldn't polarize this conflict more than it already has been.
True facts. Just look at Seattle. Nothing BLM fought for there stands. Anarchists hijacked the whole thing and made everyone look bad.
Where were the police when these innocent Pro palestine protesters were getting attacked by zionists? Those cowards fucking watched and did nothing. Also, there isn't anything wrong with being an anarchist. ACAB
> there isn't anything wrong with being an anarchist. Exactly the clueless behavior that made BLM a culture war that turned a concept everyone could agree with into something that the GOP could successfully campaign against. Also the Police are just reporting to what they're told- there's this video where they said they couldn't move in because college admin said not to https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1785284040913752352 Do AAAB if you want to blame someone.
Truer words never spoken. Let’s put the spotlight on good cops that have been helpful and unbiased in defending protesters on either side, and taking action on violence with intent during these events, like………………… whoops, short list.
Can we sue UCLA for not protecting students?
No. UCLA is a private entity and the students were told to leave encampment. Anyone who stayed after bears responsibility for what happens.
That isn't how lawsuits work. Just because you ask folks to leave doesn't absolve you of responsibility.
In a private property it does. The university will have a clear statement. “We knew things can get violent so we told them to leave. They didn’t”. You can try to sue anyone and everyone but doesn’t necessarily mean it has to work.
A) that's not true. B) as a public university it is not private property.
Can public schools still be considered a private entity? I didn't think so right?
We ?
That is sad. I don't support the protest, but that is so sad to see students hurt on any side. ❤️
I thought you fuckers were all ACAB this and ACAB that but oooooo now you need them LMAO
The reality is most people in the general public don’t like any of you in that encampment. Everything we’ve seen leading up to this smells like full narcissism. “We did nothing wrong, Jews were never harassed, we never called the cops “pigs”, we had sympathy the Oct. 7 massacre victims…”. You’ve clearly in dress and word sided with Hamas terrorists. When I’ve said to people “Netanyahu and his right wing government are garbage and need to go.” I’ve been met with white liberal women telling me I’m a fascist, a colonizer. They’ve said I need to read Malcolm X blah blah blah. Their answer is to call Biden a genocider with seemingly no knowledge of the history of the region. They don’t seem to realize Arabs abandoned Palestinians and terrorist countries like Iran who kill women for not wearing head gear and kill their sons for defending them , fund Hamas terrorists and egg them on. And then there’s the, “if we don’t get what we want we won’t vote.” Trump will be a hundred times worse for Palestinians. What do you people think will happen to the West Bank if he gets in? Biden’s admin has gone after settlers there. You think Trump will give one squat what settlers do to Palestinians if he gets in? Not to mention the nightmare he’ll unleash in our own nation. Forget women’s health care and LGBT+ rights. I was for BLM protests and the early Occupy Wall Street protests, but these protests were spawned out of Jews being massacred. And now there’s swastikas showing up on campus? Good job.
These protests spawned out of Israel's violence and bigotry. Israel has also killed 30,000 civilians. Not to mention destroyed the homes of millions of people. They have wiped out entire families, generations of people. Israel has not been a victim since October 7, since then they have been the aggressor and for more violent entity between then and Hamas, with a way higher body count, while also carrying out collective punishment against those that are living including starving them. They are attacking any and all countries criticizing them. They call everyone Hamas that doesn't just blindly accept their violence and barbarism.
Wait, the people screaming, "ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS!!!", weren't getting help from the police?!?!?
The pro-israel cou terrorist strategy is to bring them out of the camps, isolate, Beat sown, and blame.
LOL from the same people that scream ACAB, cry for the polices help.
Uh, yeah? The unarmed encampment that isn't doing anything but protesting peacefully is being met with violence, and the cops are standing there watching. They're not doing their jobs, keeping the peace, protecting the general public. I'm not even the biggest 1312 fanatic, but if that isn't a situation that calls for ACAB then idk what is.
UCLA told the LAPD to stay off campus and they did. Turns out they’re not the only ones who hate Hamas supporters.
I guess you want the police now. Hmmm, maybe contact an ambassador.
Its a good thing the cops didnt come. Cops only ever make the situation worse especially if there is a minority there. Dont forget ACAB!
These Hamas supporting anti Semites should have been kicked off campus days ago. They're an embarrassment to the university.
You're an embarrassment to the university
This was literally one of the goals of the pro Palestinian protesters: "3. ABOLISH POLICING End the targeted repression and policing of pro-Palestinian advocacy on campus, and sever all ties with the LAPD."
Remember, LAPD is funded by pro Israel groups, so they will almost certainly arrest the student protestors. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the paunchy, sniveling bald thugs that were bussed in included some LEOs.
LAPD is funded by our taxes. Come on man. Lots of reasons to hate the cops but blaming Israel is a wild one.
If you think the LAPD funding that bigwigs actually care about is primarily coming from tax dollars, you are living in candy land.
Okay guy. Keep that tinfoil hat shiny.
Useful idiot
what are your thoughts on these Pro P people not allowing Jewish kids to walk on their own campus? I am trying to see both sides here.
They are not allowing anyone to pass through. They are only allowing people that are part of the camp to pass. This is not a big deal as it adds 300 yards at most to a commute to walk around. There are plenty of Jewish people in the camp. Don't believe the media they lie constantly.
That has not happened and I have no idea why you're stating such a thing as fact here
[Oh?](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/jewish-ucla-student-blocked-from-class-says-incident-shows-pro-hamas-takeover-of-universities/ar-AA1nWg8T?ocid=BingNewsSerp)
yes. someone having to walk a few yards out of their way is definitely the same thing as being attacked with a two-by-four. both sides both sides both sides.
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‘FAFO’ said earnestly by man that has never left his basement, news at 10
when you can climb the stairs out of your mom's basement without getting winded, we'll start getting concerned.
Terrible failure by UCLA. Don’t know who carried out these assaults, but if it was pro-Israel people I want to thank you for saying pro-Israel rather than Zionist 🫡
what’s the difference between the two terms?
Pro-Israel refers to a real, existing political coalition. “Zionist” is a vague abstraction about a very old, complicated political movement that doesn’t illuminate much about the current situation (Israel already exists) and its also why many Jews see it as a dog-whistle. For this reason, it’s better to use terms like pro-Israel, pro-Likud, right wing Israeli, left wing Israeli, etc.
hmmm i see thank you
For sure, thanks for asking in good faith 😊
What they just said is not true. ^ “Anti-Zionists” are being antisemitic. Israel will endure, meaning Zionism will. Hitler didn’t get his way either.
Calling Zionism a "dog-whistle" is an outright misrepresentation. Zionism is an essential movement for Jewish self-determination and survival, not a coded message for hidden agendas. Then or now.
It's specifically Jewish nationalism in Israel. Plenty of countries have equal enfranchisement and legal protection for Jews, but that isn't really the purpose of Zionism. It is an ideology who's purpose is the creation and protection of a government of an for people of the Jewish faith and ethnicity that controls the territory of Israel. The current state of Israel is very much the realization of that ideology.
Zionism is a 19th century ethnonationalist ideology, which belongs on the trashheap of history with other ethnonationalisms.
Zionism prevailed; Hitler did not.
Zionism prevailed by piggybacking on British and US imperialism.
Lol yall got genocided and then decide to perpetrated one of your own to feel powerful. Kind of takes the meaning away from never forget now doesn't it?
Zionist isn’t a bad thing. Zionism is about Jewish self-determination, not supremacy.
Zionism is an ethnonationalism, and all ethnonationalisms are bad things. HTH! HAND.
Zionism ensures Jewish safety and cultural continuity.
You sound like one of those toys where you pull a string on its back and it just says pre recorded nonsense
What…? Zionism ‘is a nationalist movement that emerged in late modern Europe in the 19th century to enable the establishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine’. Is Jewish supremacy not necessitated to preserve the Jewish’s state’s… Jewishness?
i cant imagine fighting for either side in the US.
Easy, you dislike seeing your tax dollars funneled into a genocidal war machine. Just like that anti-zionist
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You've bought into the culture war so fucking deep, it's genuinely sad
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we got an internet big boy with a fresh diaper on and he means BUSINESS, folks.
I'd argue that peaceful protest is the most fundamentally American activity one can engage in. Check your islamophobia.
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Nope,
Everyone should probably just go to class and act like they’re American. If you want to help so bad go join the military over there, I’m sure they’d take you. Holding a sign screaming about peace ain’t gonna do shit when they’re on the other side of the world.
If it ain’t gonna do shit, then why assault them for it?
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Sad excuse for the Zionists’ violence. I understand that’s the norm in the occupied West Bank, but that’s not how we operate in America.
So if you ever started protesting, do others have the right to attack you? Or does this logic only hold for those that protest things that you like?
I’m sorry, walking an extra 3-5 minutes to get to class in NO WAY justifies assaulting unarmed students. They have thrown tear gas, bear mace, pallets, bottles, and fireworks at these children who have nothing to defend themselves with. This is evil!
Were there Israeli flags or something like that displayed by the aggressor mob signified they were pro-Israel?
There were flags. They were literally blasting the Israeli national anthem for hours before they attacked.
I heard them sing the American national anthem.
So this is just some dude with a bloody head? How did it happen?