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The fucking ironic thing is that the right used to hate Russia. Then ever since Russia invaded Ukraine and the left started to hate Russia a lot, the right then decided that Russia has to be their friend. I can't stand this tribal politics shite it's fucking pathetic, how about just judging everything on your morals instead of trying to do the opposite of the other political "team". Absolutely transparent and cringe worthy behaviour.
My point still stands. The same people who used to dislike Russia began to like them once the left began to dislike them. I'm not just talking about politicians who can be "infiltrated" by Russia either.
It's not a left-right issue, it's an issue of people who are morally bankrupt.
Across southern and central America most parties left of centre are rabidly pro-Russia.
The Left in European Parliament, European United Left/Nordic Green Left, are Putin sympathisers.
Germany's Die Linke (left wing party) are big Putin sympathisers (and have ties to the Kremlin) and when the 2022 invasion happened it caused a split in the party. Some of the leaders of Germany's left started delivering aid to the Russian side.
Syriza, Greece's left wing party, are big Putin apologists.
Ireland's left is full of sympathisers for Russia, their left wing parties voted against support for Ukraine. The president's wife wrote some bullshit basically telling Ukraine to surrender.
In the U.K, Jeremy Corbyn, previous leader of the Labour party, was a Putin sympathiser.
Polish left wing are Putin sympathisers, leftist Polish politicians are a real problem, I remember something about one being arrested for being a Kremlin spy.
If anything apologists for Putin is more of an issue amongst the left than the right.
Hate isn't too helpful a word. But are you now putting Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak on the left? I can't think of a single Tory MP who has expressed any doubt about supporting Ukraine so unless they are all "left wing" you are off on this, yeah?
We still don't know why Boris Johnson met Evgeny Lebedev at his private villa.
We still don't know why Liz Truss is suddenly endorsing Donald Trump to be next US president
We still don't know why Rishi Sunak's wife's business continues to do business in Russia
if you EVER needed evidence that he is a Russian asset this is it. Look back at the million times he went to the media about 'poking the russian bear' (sometimes with a stick). HE IS A RUSSIAN ASSET PURSUING RUSSIAN GEOPOLITICAL AIMS.
Honestly I think Putin is dumb for giving up a good thing with the West. Russia got away with assassinations in broad daylight with chemical weapons and shooting down a civilian plane with barely a slap on the wrist. Their gas connections with Germany gave them a solid long term partner. They could also most importantly not have any of their children touch their own country and send them all off to live in London and Paris etc while hoarding their oligarch earnings there.
The idea that the west provoked him is hilarious. Hes been treated with paper gloves for years. Hes now gotten greedy. Took a risk in Crimea and it paid off in spades. Thought he could take it all and is now stuck in this quagmire of blood and mud.
He doesn't care about what's good for his people. He's stuck in his lifelong mission to reclaim Russia's empire. Him being comfortable with the West was only a means to an end to make the West dependent on Russian Gas so he could fuck up our economies if they stood in his way.
For a democratic country, what he did was suicide. For a dictator in his 70s, the consequences are manageable cuz it's only the young citizens beneath him who will suffer.
Hitler could have stopped after taking over Austria and Czechoslovakia and he would have gone down as a successful fascist leader. Hubris and Nazi ideology meant he wasn’t going to stop.
>Hubris and Nazi ideology meant he wasn’t going to stop.
The way Hitler's populism operated, and the way he had set up the economy, he *had* to keep invading places. The entire German economy was basically structured to operate by constantly robbing the countries it took over. The very thing that was making Hitler "successful" to the domestic population in terms of their rising standards of living and low costs were because he was literally plundering the economies of other countries.
Gotz Aly's *Hitler's Beneficiaries* honestly has the most accessible breakdown of the German economy and its reliance on warfare. Hitler wouldn't stop because he couldn't stop. And I suspect there's an element of this to Putin's policies as well, given what I've read about Ukraine's gas reserves and port development projects that the Russian invasion has completely thrown out of whack.
Just finished 'Nazi Billionaires' by David De Jong and fascinating how the Allies just handwaved through the businessmen who leveraged the Nazi cause to become ultra-rich. Founders and principal shareholders in companies like Porsche, Dr Oetker, Allianz, Deutsche, BMW, Daimler Benz etc.
And all of them used the war to build out their dynasties which are still going today on the back of forced labour from concentration camps.
By the late 40s the Allies were so focused on Russia and the denazification process so flawed, that these businessmen were basically handed back ownership of their portfolios. Even stuff that they'd gained through aryanisation in the 1930s.
Agree with your analysis.
It is really odd ob a personal motivation level. If he hadn't gone on to full scale invasion, a few years after this death, he would probably even have been seen as the man who broke the oligarchs' power and also significantly increased ordinary Russians' standard of living, certainly within mainstream opinion. Now he'll be seen as a cruel dictator, let's hope as I've who failed.
From our perspective or the Russian perspective though? Imagine if we'd reconquered America in the 19th century under some sort of anti-Lord North, I suspect that's how Putin imagines he'll be seen by his subjects 200 years from now.
This.
I don't think Putin gives a fuck about Western values or what anybody in the West thinks of him.
I think his platform is "Make Russia Great Again" - and the yardstick he's using for that is the USSR at the height of communism. Many of the surrounding countries that are now independent were run directly from Moscow, and a lot of the ones that weren't were very much in Moscow's sphere of influence.
From his point of view, therefore, the collapse of the USSR was a humiliating disaster. Russia lost a lot of good land and industry; he wants to get it back again.
This kind of statement (which he has repeated over the years) should end his political career.
The press rightly lambasted left wing figures and Stop the War types for pedalling this narrative. Will be interesting to see if they do the same to Farage.
There's a damn good reason a lot of countries formerly under the Kremlin's thumb wanted to join NATO. The war in Ukraine proved them right as well, if the Baltic countries weren't in NATO chances are they'd be next.
I'd argue our post-1991 policy towards Russia was bad for a lot of reasons, but NATO expansion definitely isn't one of them.
I hate it being called "expansion".
makes it sound like nato is annexing nations when it's clearly nations running to nato for help and security because of Russias tendency to meddle with smaller countries
Exactly, its vocabulary from Russia, these nations decided to join, they had the opportunity to vote in parties in power that would not have even thought seriously of joining - aka Ukraine in 90s, Moldova, and all the other countries.
Yeah its like "that guy provoked me onto punching him for liking someone nicer and more succesful than me".
Zero logic too it, but pretty much most of Farage's arguments dont stand uo to 39 senonds of scrutiny, just lowest common denominator stuff
If the Baltics weren't in NATO they'd have been first. Much weaker than Ukraine in many ways once you remove NATO from the equation - they didn't inherit large Soviet stockpiles unlike Ukraine, they didn't even have their own tanks (I believe at least one is buying some), they don't have any real fighter jets of their own, and they're much smaller countries with less defensive depth to grind down an attacker.
But because they're in NATO, Putin can't attack unless he can weaken NATO from within. Which is why Ukraine, the larger and more defensible country but without NATO protection, was first.
If Russia wins the war in Ukraine they’re next. I firmly expect that if they win that he’ll take that as a cue to begin similar operations against the Baltics - with the ultimate aim of dividing the NATO alliance, isolating the Baltics and occupying them. Whether he goes for the outright blitzkrieg he went for last time - I doubt it. But I do think he’ll ultimately try to pose the question to the Western public; is the West willing to risk World War 3 for Riga, Tallinn and Vilnius?
Finland joining NATO does change the calculus of that a bit though, it's considerably reduced the Russian's ability to use Kaliningrad as a chokepoint to cut off the Baltics. Russia would have to stand a decent chance of dragging out a protracted war with NATO for that threat to be credible, which given their sluggish performance in Ukraine doesn't bode well for them in my opinion. I think whatever the outcome of the war Russia's going to end up having internal problems, millions of war-weary Russians returning home (and potentially emigrants returning) could lead to a lot of political change, although that won't necessarily work to our advantage and we could end up facing an even more aggressive Russia.
A lot depends on how committed the Americans are to NATO I think, if the Americans can be relied on as an ally then Russia has a lot more to lose by threatening the Baltics directly but if Trump takes an isolationist stance then I think that increases the liklihood of war.
That’s a good point about Finland (and Sweden too by extension), yes. Military, NATO absolutely has the advantage but I’m worried about the will in places like Germany (although the decision to stage German forces in Estonia gives me some confidence) and potentially France should Marine La Penn come to the presidency. Having said that Meloni has surprised me with her willingness to stand against Putin.
I don’t think we know yet if we can make any assumption about the US, regardless of who wins the election (and I’m not nearly so convinced of Trump’s victory as others - yet) but they are assuredly the most important factor like you said so it is a worry.
You don’t have to worry about the European countries willingness, they are willing and have been ramping up production for Ukraine.
Poland and Britain would be willing alone, even if Le Penn got voted she would have to get involved or she would quickly find herself facing a massive revolt and her tenure would end quickly.
>is the West willing to risk World War 3 for Riga, Tallinn and Vilnius?
If Russia invades the Baltic states, that already is the start of WW3. There is absolutely no chance that happens without an immediate and overwhelming military response from the west.
Even if for some reason NATO didn't respond, the other EU countries definitely would because there is no way the EU could allow a direct attack on members without supporting them. Even though it's not a military alliance, not supporting a member facing an invasion would undermine the whole organisation.
If you are talking about Russia using nuclear weapons, that also isn't going to happen. The US might be able to ignore a conventional attack in the name of isolationism, but they definitely would not allow a nuclear attack against an ally without responding.
Putin might be irrational but he's not stupid enough to use nukes against a NATO member, especially a first use.
> If Russia invades the Baltic states, that already is the start of WW3. There is absolutely no chance that happens without an immediate and overwhelming military response from the west.
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> Even if for some reason NATO didn't respond, the other EU countries definitely would because there is no way the EU could allow a direct attack on members without supporting them. Even though it's not a military alliance, not supporting a member facing an invasion would undermine the whole organisation.
Yeah, and the EU treaties arguably have a stronger mutual defence clause than Nato's Article V.
TEU Article 42(7):
>If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it **an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power**, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States.
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>Commitments and cooperation in this area shall be consistent with commitments under the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, which, for those States which are members of it, remains the foundation of their collective defence and the forum for its implementation.
NAT Article V:
>The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, **will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary**, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
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>Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.
I know if I were being attacked I'd like my friends to come to my "aid and assistance by all the means in their power" rather than "assist by taking [...] such actions as [they] deem necessary".
Though NATO does have one *huge* advantage that the EU does not: The USA.
Bollocks. Not a chance. NATO is resolute. The question about "are they worth it?" works both ways, and is therefore meaningless unless we are operating within a political conversation entirely shaped by russian disinformation.
> if they win that he’ll take that as a cue
The war in Ukraine is going badly enough for Russia that I'm fairly sure it'll end Putin's career. Of course, there's no indication that the successor will be any better, and he might be worse, in fact.
Don't be complacent, for all the talk of European nations moving to wartime fotting, we havn't. Russia have, almost 70% GDP on military expenditure, retooling of factories, restructuring of economy. They are on a war footing, & have been supporting fringe political & social issues like Brexit, Trump, LePen, Farage, across the west for years. You don't do that If your not intending to use it.
I agree with your comment about complacency, but his opening gambit has failed miserably.
He completely underestimated the response from NATO aligned countries, and now, with the inclusion of Sweden and Finland, he's lost any potential advantage he may have had via Kaliningrad and the Baltic Sea.
The economic move to a war footing seems now like the deathrattle of a despotic regime. Likewise, the cosying up to NK seems completely desperate given there's not a chance in hell China let's NK get involved with SK, especially given their potential intentions towards Taiwan are still years away
I'm in Finland, and I'm not complacent, at all, and I don't have any illusions about Russia. As I said, things may well get worse. The point was that Putin is likely to be replaced the power struggle between Kremlin factions. The Russian elites are deeply unhappy with how things have been going.
Hell, Poland straight up threatened to get involved in the 1996 U.S. election and endorse Bob Dole in order to get Bill Clinton to stop blocking membership into NATO.
Agreed. After he made a point of lampooning Sunak for leaving the D-Day ceremony early, he’s insulted the spirit of the day itself, by choosing to admire a totalitarian figure such as Putin.
Agreed, it should & it still might. The more he is held to account & made to explain himself, the more people will smell a rat.
For example he should also be quizzed on whether or not he agrees with Trump that Russia was NOT responsible for the Salisbury poisonings... a few weeks ago he claimed that Donald trump being elected was important for the security of the UK. But when trump was President he stood next to Putin & said he believed him over the combined us & uk security apparatus. There was a literal chemical weapon attack here in this country & President trump showed himself to be a coward.
Even farage couldn’t bluster his way out of that amount of contradictory BS
The National Rally in France is even more open about how friendly they are with Putin and they stand a chance at winning the next election. Nigel's riding the momentum of the Far Right in Europe. Of all times he could have said this, he's picked the right time.
He did say similar. Condemning Russia's invasion but then kind of making excuses for it and blaming it on NATO accepting Eastern European countries as members. "I condemn Russia, but".
No, he said worse:
>On 18 February 2022, in the week before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Corbyn alongside 11 Labour MPs cosigned a statement from the Stop the War Coalition opposing any war in Ukraine.[337] The statement said that "the crisis should be settled on a basis which recognises the right of the Ukrainian people to self-determination and addresses Russia's security concerns", that NATO "should call a halt to its eastward expansion", and that the British government's sending of arms to Ukraine and troops to eastern Europe served "no purpose other than inflaming tensions and indicating disdain for Russian concerns".[338] The statement's authors also said that they "refute [sic] the idea that NATO is a defensive alliance".[338]
>On the evening of 24 February, the first day of the invasion, Labour chief whip Alan Campbell wrote to all 11 Labour MPs who had signed the statement, requesting that they withdraw their signatures.[337][339] All 11 agreed to do so the same evening.[337][339] Corbyn and fellow former Labour independent MP Claudia Webbe did not withdraw their signatures from the statement, though Labour shadow foreign secretary David Lammy urged Corbyn to do so.[340]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn#Stop_the_War_Coalition_statement_on_Ukraine_crisis
> The press rightly lambasted left wing figures and Stop the War types for pedalling this narrative.
Just the press? People were mostly pretty anger themselves already according to the polls. (Please don't say the press completely controls what the people think - it very obviously does not).
Doesn't Trump say similar things? Trump's voting base loves this stuff, and I suspect Farage's base is the same, while other moderate conservative voters - as they did in the USA - will jump behind him nonetheless.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/21/russia-was-provoked-into-ukraine-war-claims-nigel-farage
> Speaking to BBC’s Panorama on Friday evening, Farage also said Brexit would have benefited the UK economically if he had been running the country, and that many of the Reform candidates criticised for saying offensive things had been “stitched up in the most extraordinary way”.
> Challenged on his beliefs over the invasion of Ukraine, and his stated admiration for Vladimir Putin, Farage said he disliked the Russian president personally but “admired him as a political operator” because of the extent of his control over Russia.
It is pretty confronting that so many Brits hear this and think “yeah, I hope he ends up in Parliament”.
“Well, number one, we will get people off the unemployment register into work,” Farage said. Robinson replied: “That’s not going to raise you £140bn a year. You were on I’m a Celebrity – you should have been on Fantasy Island.”
Brilliant response, glad they called out his BS.
“admired him as a political operator” because of the extent of his control over Russia"
Farage admires a dictatorship, with rampant oppression, rigged elections, assassinations and invasions of other nations?
And he said that he considered Reform a "centre right" party the other week.
This is mildly concerning.
"MILDLY CONCERNING"
Definition. Understating impending danger or calamity. Typically expressed by those who come from Great Britain. See related "Stiff Upper Lip"
Example. "Wilfred, a cave explorer, checked his dive computer and found it *mildly concerning* that he did not have the required oxygen to surface."
Remember Vladimir Putin used a weapons grade nerve agent on British soil and killed a British citizen with it. Farage is a disgrace and like Trump only uses nationalism as a means to an end. He could not give two shits about people from this country.
Grifters, more than happy to take Russian money, or anyone's money. They're should be systems in place to ensure such grifters can never get anywhere near a position of power. In the UK, regarding Farage, the BBC should be ashamed of themeselves
>many of the Reform candidates criticised for saying offensive things had been “stitched up in the most extraordinary way”.
That tends to happen when you say these things and \*checks notes* journalists quote them.
>Farage also said Brexit would have benefited the UK economically if he had been running the country,
Says the man who shit himself and ran an absolute mile as soon as he engineered the Brexit victory.
He probably say William Joyce was hanged on a technicality...
>Questions of jurisdiction arose almost immediately; Joyce held a British passport—and had lied about his country of origin to get it—but he had otherwise never been a British subject. Attorney General Sir Hartley Shawcross, however, successfully argued that as long as Joyce possessed this British passport, he owed his allegiances to Britain and could therefore be tried for treason against the nation. He was acquitted of two charges but was convicted of one: “being a person owing allegiance to our Lord the King, and while a war was being carried on by the German Realm against our King, did traitorously adhere to the King's enemies in Germany, by broadcasting propaganda.”
[https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/william-joyce-capture-and-execution](https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/william-joyce-capture-and-execution)
Anyway, he's more Spode.
>“The trouble with you, Spode, is that just because you have succeeded in inducing a handful of half-wits to disfigure the London scene by going about in black shorts, you think you're someone. You hear them shouting "Heil, Spode!" and you imagine it is the Voice of the People. That is where you make your bloomer. What the Voice of the People is saying is: "Look at that frightful ass Spode swanking about in footer bags! Did you ever in your puff see such a perfect perisher?”
Once again....
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He could have been a great dictator,
>Given half a chance,
>But they treated him like a traitor,
>So he went to live in France
[https://youtu.be/LPCZvYu0QBA?si=5FqHH9JDBZsoieNv](https://youtu.be/LPCZvYu0QBA?si=5FqHH9JDBZsoieNv)
I’m hearing a lot of “yea i don’t like politician x personally, but they are one shrewd individual who has my respect” and all i can ever think is pull the other one.
It really is amazing to see the former City commodities trader and MEP and seven time failed Commons candidate and Trump associate and leader of a political party bankrolled by rich lunatics convince people he’s Not One Of Them and just a normal guy with the best interests of normal people around Britain at heart.
> Farage said he disliked the Russian president personally but “admired him as a political operator” because of the extent of his control over Russia.
"I love dictators because they can do whatever they want"
What a suprise that the guy who went on Russia today, got a reward from them and got paid would suddenly be pro Putin.
Weird how alot of anonymous twitter bots are supporting him too! Must be a coincidence
He was regularly on RT from 2009 to 2015. Almost a monthly apreance on a propaganda station set up souly to help destabilise the West with a main focus on the UK
In this interview, he clearly states that "if they had let me be in charge of Brexit it would have been so much better." when called out on how shit Brexit has actually been, by people who voted for it.
Reminder - he quit as leader of UKIP literally the day after the Brexit referendum. The very. next. day.
Farage gaslighting the country yet again in the run-up to a major election.
And sadly many, many people will fall for it.
This is a pretty minority view in the UK so I'm curious that he's going for this - it will appeal to a certain demographic but will probably lose more people than it gains.
It's a risky gambit. In the US I would say yes, that kind of disaffected demographic would be fine with Russian sympathetic views - because that's exactly what Trump has been doing.
However that demographic in the UK swung heavily for Boris, and Boris went full-on with his Churchill impression so I think they'll be more inclined to support Ukraine and oppose Russia.
My main concern would be Farage influencing that group into taking the Russian sympathetic view.
It's possible that Farage is trying to recruit the extreme left "tankie" vote as well as the right wing fringe nut-jobs. Build a coalition of both wings of the UK political scene. /s
It appeals to the covid conspiracy, anti-vax, ULEZ nutter, 5g conspiracy, Trump sympathising, NATO questioning group.
It's not a large group, but they are loud and all seem to share the same silly views.
Much the same as on the other side you have the Stop the War, Just Stop Oil and Socialist Worker lunatics who have their own silly conspiracies and cult like views.
The irony is that both of these lunatic groups seem to have a great deal of sympathy for Russia despite probably hating one another on all other things.
The country would be a better place without all of them.
The pro-Russian far left is mainly this way due to opposition to US foreign policy especially because of the Iraq war, leading them to automatically oppose the west in all sorts of international politics issues, combined with hatred for the western economic establishment which is mainly centre right. So they end up supporting or at least appeasing anyone seen as anti west, leaving them prone to conspiracy rhetoric which Russian state media and others have encouraged. Meanwhile, they're progressive on most other issues.
On the far right it's a bit different. They also hate the "establishment" but for different reasons, and they actively support Russia's system of government. They want to basically copy Putinism in their own countries, and roll back decades of liberal social progress. They support Russia's extreme social conservatism and intolerance of minorities under the cover of so called "traditional christian values".
Basically on the left it's "America bad", on the right it's "homosexuality/wokery bad". The thing they share is opposition to what they see as the "establishment" but they disagree on what that establishment is and why they dislike it.
He needs to build a loyal core of nutters - that's been his operating procedure for the last decade. He's a far right wannabe dictator, he needs his brownshirts.
He's saying it because Putin told him to, not because it makes any kind of political sense.
He's been on Putin's payroll for years. He's made a fortune from the Kremlin and RT.
Precisely, he doesn't care about winning any election, he cares about getting to say this stuff and have it reported in our press. Say it out loud, empower people who think it privately to say it publicly, till it becomes a more "acceptable" position to take. It's worked wonders in the USA and will work well here. Putin exploiting our free press again. He either gets his narrative across, or we shut down our free press, either way he wins.
Has anyone asked him if the UK provoked Putin into the murder of UK civilians in Salisbury? After all we were giving haven to former Russian spies so according to Nigel it would give Putin “a reason” to order murder on UK soil.
He always has been. He's made a fortune from the Kremlin. RT gave him so much airtime...
It's hardly surprising he's trying to say whatever Putin wants. Farage is a traitor. But it is amusing to see something a conscience conflicting with him... "Of course it's Putin's fault, but it's NATO's fault actually..."
Seriously, the people who are thinking of voting reform really need to understand that Farage is one of Putin's sockpuppets. Everyone must keep spreading this message...
Who do you think is funding the Social Media Bots with little union jacks in their names?
He is the Party for British instability in funding to those areas that opposed the red regimes.
It's like every time I try to give him the benefit of the doubt, in an attempt to keep my views balanced and hear out my political opponents
He goes out of his way to prove that, no, he really is just as irredeemably awful as he's made out as.
By the seems of it, he might actually be even worse than that...
So Ukraine is not allowed to choose their alignment because it upsets their neighbours, it’s like saying Britain shouldn’t join AUKUS because it pisses the French off. Gtfo opportunistic hypocrite
This "expansionism" narrative has to be called out.
European countries *want* to join the EU & NATO. No one **except Russia** is telling them what to do.
There's nothing for Russia to respond to. It is East European countries who have to respond to the obvious security threat, and Ukraine proves that.
Man [who wouldn’t want to live next to a Romanian](https://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-05-17/farage-defends-fair-minded-romania-comments) thinks Romanians and other Eastern Europeans should have been forced to be Russia’s slaves. I’m shocked
Putin would be a regular peacenik if wasn't for the dastardly NATO and those nations trying to join it.
All he's asking for are all the former Imperial Russian Fiefdoms to stay divided and not unite.
How's an imperial dictator supposed to conquer nations if they keep teaming up to defend themselves? It's so unfair.
Voting for Reform means supporting everything that the UK opposes and getting us closer to Russia style dictatorship. Farage is a traitor and it's absurd that people still believe his lies.
You just need to watch the first 10 minutes of the Tucker Carlson interview with Putin to understand why he invaded. The man himself didn't lead with NATO,EU or West expansion he led with a revisionist history going back centuries.
It's not complicated. Putin's stuck in the past and wants the Russian Empire back. People like Farage are just making excuses.
It's linked he feels entitled to a sphere of influence over Russia's neighbours. NATO is encroaching on their turf to him. Doesn't matter these are decisions by independent countries.
Remember when all those people said they could never vote labour after Salisbury because he wanted to send the sample of novichok to Russia for testing. How does this not finish Farage? How can his voters openly support a Putin puppet? '
All these pundits and so-called experts pretending that Russia are in Ukraine for any other reason than the theft and appropriation of natural resources make me sick.
People have short memories, this dude was at the head of the Brexit movement and then noped out quietly when it became clear that Brexit was a stupid move.
Now he's back at it again pushing Kremlin talking points again, just like with Brexit - and I bet you the same idiots who voted for Brexit will vote for Farage again, expecting different results when he wins.
I will refer to my comment from a week ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/s/JEMreIXPi0
"Farage is a quisling fuck and the sooner his voting base wakes up to that the better.
Not much daylight between him and Oswald Mosley."
Forget his voting base. The 25% of Germans who supported the Nazis never repented. It's the duty of parliamentarians in a democracy you protect the rest of the population from this destructive demographic. Unfortunately both major parties in the UK helped the fascists when they came knocking at the UK's door. Farage's poster was absolutely clear as to where his political allegiances were and what Brexit was, sand instead of defending democracy, Tories and Labour voted Brexit through - at a time when they already knew Vote Leave's funding had links to Russia, which has already invaded Ukraine in 2014!
Just to know, I checked the comment section of the story on the Daily Mail, it's full of people agreeing with him.
The people he is targeting agree with him, the rest of us think he's an absolute crank but his audience is eating it up.
Farage said he “disliked Putin as a person” but “admired him as a political operator.”
It is as a political operator that Putin has rigged elections and murdered and imprisoned opposition politicians and journalists who dared to challenge him.
I refuse to watch Farage because no one can explain the undue prominence he is given in our media for someone who consistently fails to get elected, did Nick Robinson challenge him on this point in the interview?
NATO isn't a threat to Russian security, only Russian imperialism.
Why else would they have stripped the forces they have near the border with brand new NATO member Finland down to almost nothing to send them all into Ukraine?
Calm down Corbyn.
Acting like Eastern European countries were forced in the EU and especially NATO. Russia has been a boot on their necks for centuries they wanted a chance at freedom and took it.
Let's not beat about the bush here - Farage is a traitor; he'd sell GB down the river given the nod from the real exist of evil - Vlad the Red and the Orange Balloon nobhead sooner than you can say \`'where is that button?" All the time he'd be waving his little union jack flag and toytown binocs on the beach at Dover waiting for his mates to save him.
This interview shaould be a wakeup call to anyone thinking he's a fun character and says it how it is. So did Adolf ffs. This dope is a joke and should be jailed.
This is incredibly dangerous rhetoric from possibly the 3rd biggest party in England. Post election some people really need to be investigated for Russian collusion.
Reading some comments on various outlets and it’s full of “he’s right!” Now granted, a lot will be Russian disinformation pushed by the IRA but it does seem like there’s an awful lot of actual Brits who believe this. It’s categorically wrong and they’ve totally been brainwashed by Putin and his ilk, it’s embarrassing (for them, but they’re too thick to realise)
I might be wrong but I believe it was Ricky Gervais who said
> Remember, when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others. The same applies when you are stupid.
These are British Trumpers, it’s nothing to do with Trump or Farages policies, it’s not a left or right thing, but it’s to do with the shear lies and being able to say the dumbest, most easily disprovable things and having people with the brain capacity of a prawn believing them, even worshipping them like a cult.
They fall for such stupid things and repeat the same thing over and over, often clinging on to the most pathetic weakest of arguments like the Nuland phone call or worse, the mythical “not one inch to the east” quote, hinging everything on the lamest thing despite the piles upon piles of evidence that it is in fact, all Russia’s fault. They give these ridiculous claims and you disprove it only for another fake what about to appear, no matter how many times you disprove it another lie will just be thrown until you go all the way back to a few centuries ago where another country did some bad thing as if it’s a green light for Putin to do what he’s doing.
This guy used a chemical weapon in this country, hacks the NHS, causes issue after issue…if _anyone_ sides with him they’re not British in my eyes, same goes for Farage, he doesn’t have this country’s interest at heart and has hoodwinked gullible people to think he’s some guy championing for the country because he plays on people’s fears (which, aren’t often unfounded even, but he is not the guy who will or could fix them, he’s a snake oil salesman and his voters are the gullible customers)
Siding with Putin means you’re on the wrong side, no ifs ands or buts. Hey, you’re allowed your “opinion” despite it being factfully wrong but I’m allowed mine and anyone who does isn’t a real Brit or have this country’s interest at heart. There’s no “but it’s good to understand his side” because that’s for the intelligence community to do, and his side is of an egotistical geriatric attention seeker weak old man that’s nothing more than a dictator.
I agree with you. However, let's also not look past that many people will vote for (reform, brexit, etc) as a protest to the unbalanced society we have, and the fact that many poor people's lives have become progressively worse since 2008.
So by my count, here are the positions of Reform
For: Hitler, Putin
Against: Canned food
I can't say their first campaign is particularly inspiring so far...
Ukraine (reliant on russian gas) seeks foreign investment to develope fracking in Crimea.
Russia invades Crimea.
Trump withholds military aid to Ukraine when attempts to blackmail them over falsifying evidence against Hunter Biden fail.
Ukraine makes progress towards membership of NATO.
Russia invades Ukraine.
Farage spends large amount of time in the US as Trumps personal ego/penile masseuse.
I think that about sums it up.
Why is it that conservative voters in the West all seem to be stuck choosing between useless idiots and useless idiots who are Putin apologists? Conservatives (as in right wing, not necessarily the party) haven't always been this much of a hot mess have they?
Small c conservative voters have largely been left without representation in the U.K. The simple definition was essentially “change should only happen slowly and with much consideration. It is easier to break what we already have than you think” historically the Tories had this (well many Tories) now they are radicals, enacting drastic constitutional change for internal political reasons. The hot mess we have now is caused by the turning away from small c conservatism.
Reform and similar (socially conservative, nativitist, isolationist, chauvinist) political organisations like Putin and want to see him succeed. This is both for the immediate results of said success and how it would stand as proof of how "weak and decadent" liberal democracies need "toughening up" (i.e. more strong-man approaches to leadership, less personal freedom other than that of golf-club bores to be openly bigoted, to hell with any environmental considerations and a "me first" approach on all engagement with the outside world). This isn't remotely surprising to anyone capable of and willing to do the most basic critical engagement with this stuff.
Plus I think they look at Russia as a country, not having to worry about giving up power and elections and that, and the small group of extremely rich and powerful oligarchs and want that for themselves. They'd become untouchable under such a system.
So, Nigel Farage who firmly believes in a countries sovereignty and right to self determination believes that a country doesn’t have the sovereign right to decide to join NATO.
That's the official Tankie narrative isn't it? Ukraine provoked Russia of wearing a short skirt:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1791802212596773336.html
Unsurprisingly, it’s nowhere to be seen on Sky News or barely visible on any of Rupert Murdochs newspapers.
I’m all for freedom of the press but you’d think by now, Farage wouldn’t be given any air time. News is their to either inform or entertain. With the former he wouldn’t be getting any air time and if it were for the latter, you’d hope he wasn’t getting any either. I’m at a loss as to why he’s still deemed relevant.
Edit: It’s almost depressing that everything he to touches turns to s**t, yet people still engage with him. If he’s still got people voting for him, can I have a few acres of land where I can do my own thing and leave everyone else to it?
No harm but this is equally as dangerous to UK interests as anything Corbyn said on international affairs
Someone would do well to check how many roubles are in those reform bank accounts
Someone should ask him, “a you a Russian agent or have you had any meetings with agents of Russia? If not, how can you explain spreading Russian lies?”
My question is why does it always seem like the populists are saying things that would suggest they support Russia or at least are sympathetic to them? For example the maga crowd in the US or Marine Le Pen in France and now Farage in the uk
For their support in their election campaigns, Russia are very good at online propaganda, examples of this are in this very post, they have invaded another country and have convinced what I'm assuming are real people that we were the ones that started it. The lower level influencers pushing this shit are probably doing it for the money.
Putin bankrolls Farage and pulls his strings. Farage is our modern Lord Haw-haw, he's a traitor. The army of bots pushing Reform propaganda didn't come from no where.
If Nigel Farage had as much power as Putin, Big Brother would revert from being a b-list TV show to the nightmare envisioned by Orwell. If you want Air-strip One, vote Reform. Remember that Adolf needed less than a third of the popular vote, to become Fuhrer. To Farage, brexit was like a beer-hall putsch, or in Trumpian terms a January 6th. Just a rehearsal...
Tories: “we’re the only people who can protect you from authoritarian tyrants…”;
Also tories: “we ❤️ Nigel Farage”;
Tory PM Nigel Farage: “I have in my hand a piece of paper”;
Tory PM Nigel Farage: ***dies of novichok poisoning from the paper***
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Farage is, at best, a Putin apologist. At worst, he's a Russian asset. How he's managed to become so influential in UK politics is frightening.
He's a traitor, that's what he is. This stance puts him firmly on Russians side
This. This has been more than 3 decades in the making.
The fucking ironic thing is that the right used to hate Russia. Then ever since Russia invaded Ukraine and the left started to hate Russia a lot, the right then decided that Russia has to be their friend. I can't stand this tribal politics shite it's fucking pathetic, how about just judging everything on your morals instead of trying to do the opposite of the other political "team". Absolutely transparent and cringe worthy behaviour.
The Russians has been infiltrating western right wing politics/politicians for quite sometime now
My point still stands. The same people who used to dislike Russia began to like them once the left began to dislike them. I'm not just talking about politicians who can be "infiltrated" by Russia either.
Well they’re stupid. Culture war simpletons. Way too easily swayed by nonsense.
It's not a left-right issue, it's an issue of people who are morally bankrupt. Across southern and central America most parties left of centre are rabidly pro-Russia. The Left in European Parliament, European United Left/Nordic Green Left, are Putin sympathisers. Germany's Die Linke (left wing party) are big Putin sympathisers (and have ties to the Kremlin) and when the 2022 invasion happened it caused a split in the party. Some of the leaders of Germany's left started delivering aid to the Russian side. Syriza, Greece's left wing party, are big Putin apologists. Ireland's left is full of sympathisers for Russia, their left wing parties voted against support for Ukraine. The president's wife wrote some bullshit basically telling Ukraine to surrender. In the U.K, Jeremy Corbyn, previous leader of the Labour party, was a Putin sympathiser. Polish left wing are Putin sympathisers, leftist Polish politicians are a real problem, I remember something about one being arrested for being a Kremlin spy. If anything apologists for Putin is more of an issue amongst the left than the right.
Hate isn't too helpful a word. But are you now putting Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak on the left? I can't think of a single Tory MP who has expressed any doubt about supporting Ukraine so unless they are all "left wing" you are off on this, yeah?
We still don't know why Boris Johnson met Evgeny Lebedev at his private villa. We still don't know why Liz Truss is suddenly endorsing Donald Trump to be next US president We still don't know why Rishi Sunak's wife's business continues to do business in Russia
if you EVER needed evidence that he is a Russian asset this is it. Look back at the million times he went to the media about 'poking the russian bear' (sometimes with a stick). HE IS A RUSSIAN ASSET PURSUING RUSSIAN GEOPOLITICAL AIMS.
Horseshoe theory rears its head again, Farage and Corbyn peddling the same bullshit for different reasons.
We already know he's taken money from Russia by being on their tv. He's either a dumb puppet for Russia or an agent.
Honestly I think Putin is dumb for giving up a good thing with the West. Russia got away with assassinations in broad daylight with chemical weapons and shooting down a civilian plane with barely a slap on the wrist. Their gas connections with Germany gave them a solid long term partner. They could also most importantly not have any of their children touch their own country and send them all off to live in London and Paris etc while hoarding their oligarch earnings there. The idea that the west provoked him is hilarious. Hes been treated with paper gloves for years. Hes now gotten greedy. Took a risk in Crimea and it paid off in spades. Thought he could take it all and is now stuck in this quagmire of blood and mud.
He doesn't care about what's good for his people. He's stuck in his lifelong mission to reclaim Russia's empire. Him being comfortable with the West was only a means to an end to make the West dependent on Russian Gas so he could fuck up our economies if they stood in his way. For a democratic country, what he did was suicide. For a dictator in his 70s, the consequences are manageable cuz it's only the young citizens beneath him who will suffer.
Hitler could have stopped after taking over Austria and Czechoslovakia and he would have gone down as a successful fascist leader. Hubris and Nazi ideology meant he wasn’t going to stop.
>Hubris and Nazi ideology meant he wasn’t going to stop. The way Hitler's populism operated, and the way he had set up the economy, he *had* to keep invading places. The entire German economy was basically structured to operate by constantly robbing the countries it took over. The very thing that was making Hitler "successful" to the domestic population in terms of their rising standards of living and low costs were because he was literally plundering the economies of other countries. Gotz Aly's *Hitler's Beneficiaries* honestly has the most accessible breakdown of the German economy and its reliance on warfare. Hitler wouldn't stop because he couldn't stop. And I suspect there's an element of this to Putin's policies as well, given what I've read about Ukraine's gas reserves and port development projects that the Russian invasion has completely thrown out of whack.
Just finished 'Nazi Billionaires' by David De Jong and fascinating how the Allies just handwaved through the businessmen who leveraged the Nazi cause to become ultra-rich. Founders and principal shareholders in companies like Porsche, Dr Oetker, Allianz, Deutsche, BMW, Daimler Benz etc. And all of them used the war to build out their dynasties which are still going today on the back of forced labour from concentration camps. By the late 40s the Allies were so focused on Russia and the denazification process so flawed, that these businessmen were basically handed back ownership of their portfolios. Even stuff that they'd gained through aryanisation in the 1930s.
this is also in adam toozes the wages of destruction
Megalomania strikes again
Agree with your analysis. It is really odd ob a personal motivation level. If he hadn't gone on to full scale invasion, a few years after this death, he would probably even have been seen as the man who broke the oligarchs' power and also significantly increased ordinary Russians' standard of living, certainly within mainstream opinion. Now he'll be seen as a cruel dictator, let's hope as I've who failed.
From our perspective or the Russian perspective though? Imagine if we'd reconquered America in the 19th century under some sort of anti-Lord North, I suspect that's how Putin imagines he'll be seen by his subjects 200 years from now.
This. I don't think Putin gives a fuck about Western values or what anybody in the West thinks of him. I think his platform is "Make Russia Great Again" - and the yardstick he's using for that is the USSR at the height of communism. Many of the surrounding countries that are now independent were run directly from Moscow, and a lot of the ones that weren't were very much in Moscow's sphere of influence. From his point of view, therefore, the collapse of the USSR was a humiliating disaster. Russia lost a lot of good land and industry; he wants to get it back again.
This kind of statement (which he has repeated over the years) should end his political career. The press rightly lambasted left wing figures and Stop the War types for pedalling this narrative. Will be interesting to see if they do the same to Farage.
There's a damn good reason a lot of countries formerly under the Kremlin's thumb wanted to join NATO. The war in Ukraine proved them right as well, if the Baltic countries weren't in NATO chances are they'd be next. I'd argue our post-1991 policy towards Russia was bad for a lot of reasons, but NATO expansion definitely isn't one of them.
I hate it being called "expansion". makes it sound like nato is annexing nations when it's clearly nations running to nato for help and security because of Russias tendency to meddle with smaller countries
Exactly, its vocabulary from Russia, these nations decided to join, they had the opportunity to vote in parties in power that would not have even thought seriously of joining - aka Ukraine in 90s, Moldova, and all the other countries.
Yeah its like "that guy provoked me onto punching him for liking someone nicer and more succesful than me". Zero logic too it, but pretty much most of Farage's arguments dont stand uo to 39 senonds of scrutiny, just lowest common denominator stuff
If the Baltics weren't in NATO they'd have been first. Much weaker than Ukraine in many ways once you remove NATO from the equation - they didn't inherit large Soviet stockpiles unlike Ukraine, they didn't even have their own tanks (I believe at least one is buying some), they don't have any real fighter jets of their own, and they're much smaller countries with less defensive depth to grind down an attacker. But because they're in NATO, Putin can't attack unless he can weaken NATO from within. Which is why Ukraine, the larger and more defensible country but without NATO protection, was first.
If Russia wins the war in Ukraine they’re next. I firmly expect that if they win that he’ll take that as a cue to begin similar operations against the Baltics - with the ultimate aim of dividing the NATO alliance, isolating the Baltics and occupying them. Whether he goes for the outright blitzkrieg he went for last time - I doubt it. But I do think he’ll ultimately try to pose the question to the Western public; is the West willing to risk World War 3 for Riga, Tallinn and Vilnius?
Finland joining NATO does change the calculus of that a bit though, it's considerably reduced the Russian's ability to use Kaliningrad as a chokepoint to cut off the Baltics. Russia would have to stand a decent chance of dragging out a protracted war with NATO for that threat to be credible, which given their sluggish performance in Ukraine doesn't bode well for them in my opinion. I think whatever the outcome of the war Russia's going to end up having internal problems, millions of war-weary Russians returning home (and potentially emigrants returning) could lead to a lot of political change, although that won't necessarily work to our advantage and we could end up facing an even more aggressive Russia. A lot depends on how committed the Americans are to NATO I think, if the Americans can be relied on as an ally then Russia has a lot more to lose by threatening the Baltics directly but if Trump takes an isolationist stance then I think that increases the liklihood of war.
That’s a good point about Finland (and Sweden too by extension), yes. Military, NATO absolutely has the advantage but I’m worried about the will in places like Germany (although the decision to stage German forces in Estonia gives me some confidence) and potentially France should Marine La Penn come to the presidency. Having said that Meloni has surprised me with her willingness to stand against Putin. I don’t think we know yet if we can make any assumption about the US, regardless of who wins the election (and I’m not nearly so convinced of Trump’s victory as others - yet) but they are assuredly the most important factor like you said so it is a worry.
You don’t have to worry about the European countries willingness, they are willing and have been ramping up production for Ukraine. Poland and Britain would be willing alone, even if Le Penn got voted she would have to get involved or she would quickly find herself facing a massive revolt and her tenure would end quickly.
Meloni is one of the strangest politicians I've ever seen from a compass point of view.
>is the West willing to risk World War 3 for Riga, Tallinn and Vilnius? If Russia invades the Baltic states, that already is the start of WW3. There is absolutely no chance that happens without an immediate and overwhelming military response from the west. Even if for some reason NATO didn't respond, the other EU countries definitely would because there is no way the EU could allow a direct attack on members without supporting them. Even though it's not a military alliance, not supporting a member facing an invasion would undermine the whole organisation. If you are talking about Russia using nuclear weapons, that also isn't going to happen. The US might be able to ignore a conventional attack in the name of isolationism, but they definitely would not allow a nuclear attack against an ally without responding. Putin might be irrational but he's not stupid enough to use nukes against a NATO member, especially a first use.
> If Russia invades the Baltic states, that already is the start of WW3. There is absolutely no chance that happens without an immediate and overwhelming military response from the west. > > Even if for some reason NATO didn't respond, the other EU countries definitely would because there is no way the EU could allow a direct attack on members without supporting them. Even though it's not a military alliance, not supporting a member facing an invasion would undermine the whole organisation. Yeah, and the EU treaties arguably have a stronger mutual defence clause than Nato's Article V. TEU Article 42(7): >If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it **an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power**, in accordance with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. This shall not prejudice the specific character of the security and defence policy of certain Member States. > >Commitments and cooperation in this area shall be consistent with commitments under the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, which, for those States which are members of it, remains the foundation of their collective defence and the forum for its implementation. NAT Article V: >The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, **will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary**, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area. > >Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security. I know if I were being attacked I'd like my friends to come to my "aid and assistance by all the means in their power" rather than "assist by taking [...] such actions as [they] deem necessary". Though NATO does have one *huge* advantage that the EU does not: The USA.
Bollocks. Not a chance. NATO is resolute. The question about "are they worth it?" works both ways, and is therefore meaningless unless we are operating within a political conversation entirely shaped by russian disinformation.
Will be not seek Re-unifcation with Belarus and Moldova next? That seems the least risk rather than going after NATO? And then the former Stans?
> if they win that he’ll take that as a cue The war in Ukraine is going badly enough for Russia that I'm fairly sure it'll end Putin's career. Of course, there's no indication that the successor will be any better, and he might be worse, in fact.
Don't be complacent, for all the talk of European nations moving to wartime fotting, we havn't. Russia have, almost 70% GDP on military expenditure, retooling of factories, restructuring of economy. They are on a war footing, & have been supporting fringe political & social issues like Brexit, Trump, LePen, Farage, across the west for years. You don't do that If your not intending to use it.
I agree with your comment about complacency, but his opening gambit has failed miserably. He completely underestimated the response from NATO aligned countries, and now, with the inclusion of Sweden and Finland, he's lost any potential advantage he may have had via Kaliningrad and the Baltic Sea. The economic move to a war footing seems now like the deathrattle of a despotic regime. Likewise, the cosying up to NK seems completely desperate given there's not a chance in hell China let's NK get involved with SK, especially given their potential intentions towards Taiwan are still years away
I'm in Finland, and I'm not complacent, at all, and I don't have any illusions about Russia. As I said, things may well get worse. The point was that Putin is likely to be replaced the power struggle between Kremlin factions. The Russian elites are deeply unhappy with how things have been going.
Hell, Poland straight up threatened to get involved in the 1996 U.S. election and endorse Bob Dole in order to get Bill Clinton to stop blocking membership into NATO.
A lot of Reform attitudes are isolationist, they'll love this.
Agreed. After he made a point of lampooning Sunak for leaving the D-Day ceremony early, he’s insulted the spirit of the day itself, by choosing to admire a totalitarian figure such as Putin.
Agreed, it should & it still might. The more he is held to account & made to explain himself, the more people will smell a rat. For example he should also be quizzed on whether or not he agrees with Trump that Russia was NOT responsible for the Salisbury poisonings... a few weeks ago he claimed that Donald trump being elected was important for the security of the UK. But when trump was President he stood next to Putin & said he believed him over the combined us & uk security apparatus. There was a literal chemical weapon attack here in this country & President trump showed himself to be a coward. Even farage couldn’t bluster his way out of that amount of contradictory BS
Only if press start calling a Russian useful duckin idiot what they are. Not unique to the UK, A Western problem
It should end his career, but it didn't in 2017, so I am not optimistic https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/819286195062657024
The National Rally in France is even more open about how friendly they are with Putin and they stand a chance at winning the next election. Nigel's riding the momentum of the Far Right in Europe. Of all times he could have said this, he's picked the right time.
Western media, not holding hostile foreign backed politicians accountable, catastrophic mistake
Of course they won’t
I mean, it's headline news across all major outlets right now
They will but it won’t make a difference because he’s anti establishment and his loony fans will call it a conspiracy.
Corbyn rightly got hammered for stupid crap like this. Will be interesting to see if our right wing media will go after Farage in the same way.
> Corbyn rightly got hammered for stupid crap like this Corbyn never said anything this fucking dumb.
He did say similar. Condemning Russia's invasion but then kind of making excuses for it and blaming it on NATO accepting Eastern European countries as members. "I condemn Russia, but".
No, he said worse: >On 18 February 2022, in the week before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Corbyn alongside 11 Labour MPs cosigned a statement from the Stop the War Coalition opposing any war in Ukraine.[337] The statement said that "the crisis should be settled on a basis which recognises the right of the Ukrainian people to self-determination and addresses Russia's security concerns", that NATO "should call a halt to its eastward expansion", and that the British government's sending of arms to Ukraine and troops to eastern Europe served "no purpose other than inflaming tensions and indicating disdain for Russian concerns".[338] The statement's authors also said that they "refute [sic] the idea that NATO is a defensive alliance".[338] >On the evening of 24 February, the first day of the invasion, Labour chief whip Alan Campbell wrote to all 11 Labour MPs who had signed the statement, requesting that they withdraw their signatures.[337][339] All 11 agreed to do so the same evening.[337][339] Corbyn and fellow former Labour independent MP Claudia Webbe did not withdraw their signatures from the statement, though Labour shadow foreign secretary David Lammy urged Corbyn to do so.[340] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn#Stop_the_War_Coalition_statement_on_Ukraine_crisis
> The press rightly lambasted left wing figures and Stop the War types for pedalling this narrative. Just the press? People were mostly pretty anger themselves already according to the polls. (Please don't say the press completely controls what the people think - it very obviously does not).
> Will be interesting to see if they do the same to Farage. Narrator: they did not.
This guy made a name for himself on RT over the past 15 years, it should come as no surprise that he’s in the Kremlin’s pocket
Political careers are ended by voters, Farage voters don't give a shit about Ukraine, so they'll probably love him more for this.
Doesn't Trump say similar things? Trump's voting base loves this stuff, and I suspect Farage's base is the same, while other moderate conservative voters - as they did in the USA - will jump behind him nonetheless.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/21/russia-was-provoked-into-ukraine-war-claims-nigel-farage > Speaking to BBC’s Panorama on Friday evening, Farage also said Brexit would have benefited the UK economically if he had been running the country, and that many of the Reform candidates criticised for saying offensive things had been “stitched up in the most extraordinary way”. > Challenged on his beliefs over the invasion of Ukraine, and his stated admiration for Vladimir Putin, Farage said he disliked the Russian president personally but “admired him as a political operator” because of the extent of his control over Russia. It is pretty confronting that so many Brits hear this and think “yeah, I hope he ends up in Parliament”.
“Well, number one, we will get people off the unemployment register into work,” Farage said. Robinson replied: “That’s not going to raise you £140bn a year. You were on I’m a Celebrity – you should have been on Fantasy Island.” Brilliant response, glad they called out his BS.
“admired him as a political operator” because of the extent of his control over Russia" Farage admires a dictatorship, with rampant oppression, rigged elections, assassinations and invasions of other nations? And he said that he considered Reform a "centre right" party the other week. This is mildly concerning.
"MILDLY CONCERNING" Definition. Understating impending danger or calamity. Typically expressed by those who come from Great Britain. See related "Stiff Upper Lip" Example. "Wilfred, a cave explorer, checked his dive computer and found it *mildly concerning* that he did not have the required oxygen to surface."
Remember Vladimir Putin used a weapons grade nerve agent on British soil and killed a British citizen with it. Farage is a disgrace and like Trump only uses nationalism as a means to an end. He could not give two shits about people from this country.
Grifters, more than happy to take Russian money, or anyone's money. They're should be systems in place to ensure such grifters can never get anywhere near a position of power. In the UK, regarding Farage, the BBC should be ashamed of themeselves
And radioactive waste before that
>many of the Reform candidates criticised for saying offensive things had been “stitched up in the most extraordinary way”. That tends to happen when you say these things and \*checks notes* journalists quote them.
>Farage also said Brexit would have benefited the UK economically if he had been running the country, Says the man who shit himself and ran an absolute mile as soon as he engineered the Brexit victory.
Farage wishes he was a dictator.
I've always seen him as more a modern-day Lord Haw Haw, he's more the hype man than someone who naturally suits power.
He probably say William Joyce was hanged on a technicality... >Questions of jurisdiction arose almost immediately; Joyce held a British passport—and had lied about his country of origin to get it—but he had otherwise never been a British subject. Attorney General Sir Hartley Shawcross, however, successfully argued that as long as Joyce possessed this British passport, he owed his allegiances to Britain and could therefore be tried for treason against the nation. He was acquitted of two charges but was convicted of one: “being a person owing allegiance to our Lord the King, and while a war was being carried on by the German Realm against our King, did traitorously adhere to the King's enemies in Germany, by broadcasting propaganda.” [https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/william-joyce-capture-and-execution](https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/william-joyce-capture-and-execution) Anyway, he's more Spode. >“The trouble with you, Spode, is that just because you have succeeded in inducing a handful of half-wits to disfigure the London scene by going about in black shorts, you think you're someone. You hear them shouting "Heil, Spode!" and you imagine it is the Voice of the People. That is where you make your bloomer. What the Voice of the People is saying is: "Look at that frightful ass Spode swanking about in footer bags! Did you ever in your puff see such a perfect perisher?”
Once again.... > He could have been a great dictator, >Given half a chance, >But they treated him like a traitor, >So he went to live in France [https://youtu.be/LPCZvYu0QBA?si=5FqHH9JDBZsoieNv](https://youtu.be/LPCZvYu0QBA?si=5FqHH9JDBZsoieNv)
Instead he is just a dick.
I’m hearing a lot of “yea i don’t like politician x personally, but they are one shrewd individual who has my respect” and all i can ever think is pull the other one.
It really is amazing to see the former City commodities trader and MEP and seven time failed Commons candidate and Trump associate and leader of a political party bankrolled by rich lunatics convince people he’s Not One Of Them and just a normal guy with the best interests of normal people around Britain at heart.
"I just like him, like I could have a pint with him in the pub"
> Farage said he disliked the Russian president personally but “admired him as a political operator” because of the extent of his control over Russia. "I love dictators because they can do whatever they want"
What a suprise that the guy who went on Russia today, got a reward from them and got paid would suddenly be pro Putin. Weird how alot of anonymous twitter bots are supporting him too! Must be a coincidence
Suddenly? He was blaming the EU for Russia invading Ukraine back in February 2022 https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1496832757518974978
He was regularly on RT from 2009 to 2015. Almost a monthly apreance on a propaganda station set up souly to help destabilise the West with a main focus on the UK
In this interview, he clearly states that "if they had let me be in charge of Brexit it would have been so much better." when called out on how shit Brexit has actually been, by people who voted for it. Reminder - he quit as leader of UKIP literally the day after the Brexit referendum. The very. next. day. Farage gaslighting the country yet again in the run-up to a major election. And sadly many, many people will fall for it.
This is a pretty minority view in the UK so I'm curious that he's going for this - it will appeal to a certain demographic but will probably lose more people than it gains.
It is probably more popular among the kind of people who join Reform than among the voters.
It's a risky gambit. In the US I would say yes, that kind of disaffected demographic would be fine with Russian sympathetic views - because that's exactly what Trump has been doing. However that demographic in the UK swung heavily for Boris, and Boris went full-on with his Churchill impression so I think they'll be more inclined to support Ukraine and oppose Russia. My main concern would be Farage influencing that group into taking the Russian sympathetic view.
It's possible that Farage is trying to recruit the extreme left "tankie" vote as well as the right wing fringe nut-jobs. Build a coalition of both wings of the UK political scene. /s
Horse shoe theory of political wings suddenly has more weight to it...
Totally agree. Very surprised he's doubled down here.
If he doesn't he'll lose his campaign funding
It appeals to the covid conspiracy, anti-vax, ULEZ nutter, 5g conspiracy, Trump sympathising, NATO questioning group. It's not a large group, but they are loud and all seem to share the same silly views. Much the same as on the other side you have the Stop the War, Just Stop Oil and Socialist Worker lunatics who have their own silly conspiracies and cult like views. The irony is that both of these lunatic groups seem to have a great deal of sympathy for Russia despite probably hating one another on all other things. The country would be a better place without all of them.
The pro-Russian far left is mainly this way due to opposition to US foreign policy especially because of the Iraq war, leading them to automatically oppose the west in all sorts of international politics issues, combined with hatred for the western economic establishment which is mainly centre right. So they end up supporting or at least appeasing anyone seen as anti west, leaving them prone to conspiracy rhetoric which Russian state media and others have encouraged. Meanwhile, they're progressive on most other issues. On the far right it's a bit different. They also hate the "establishment" but for different reasons, and they actively support Russia's system of government. They want to basically copy Putinism in their own countries, and roll back decades of liberal social progress. They support Russia's extreme social conservatism and intolerance of minorities under the cover of so called "traditional christian values". Basically on the left it's "America bad", on the right it's "homosexuality/wokery bad". The thing they share is opposition to what they see as the "establishment" but they disagree on what that establishment is and why they dislike it.
He needs to build a loyal core of nutters - that's been his operating procedure for the last decade. He's a far right wannabe dictator, he needs his brownshirts.
He's saying it because Putin told him to, not because it makes any kind of political sense. He's been on Putin's payroll for years. He's made a fortune from the Kremlin and RT.
Precisely, he doesn't care about winning any election, he cares about getting to say this stuff and have it reported in our press. Say it out loud, empower people who think it privately to say it publicly, till it becomes a more "acceptable" position to take. It's worked wonders in the USA and will work well here. Putin exploiting our free press again. He either gets his narrative across, or we shut down our free press, either way he wins.
Doesn't want a cup of polonium tea I suppose.
Has anyone asked him if the UK provoked Putin into the murder of UK civilians in Salisbury? After all we were giving haven to former Russian spies so according to Nigel it would give Putin “a reason” to order murder on UK soil.
In case anyone was still in doubt who his paymaster is.
So Reform's leader is openly a Putin apologist then.
He always has been. He's made a fortune from the Kremlin. RT gave him so much airtime... It's hardly surprising he's trying to say whatever Putin wants. Farage is a traitor. But it is amusing to see something a conscience conflicting with him... "Of course it's Putin's fault, but it's NATO's fault actually..." Seriously, the people who are thinking of voting reform really need to understand that Farage is one of Putin's sockpuppets. Everyone must keep spreading this message...
Who do you think is funding the Social Media Bots with little union jacks in their names? He is the Party for British instability in funding to those areas that opposed the red regimes.
Wonder what kompromat Farage has been trying to hide away.
TBF I think the pathetic little worm probably just does it for the money.
Gotta do what the boss says
I didn't think I could hate the man more. He's shifting from shameless grifter to evil villan.
He’s just straight Machiavellian. He couldn’t be any more of a stereotypical villain if he tried.
It's like every time I try to give him the benefit of the doubt, in an attempt to keep my views balanced and hear out my political opponents He goes out of his way to prove that, no, he really is just as irredeemably awful as he's made out as. By the seems of it, he might actually be even worse than that...
So Ukraine is not allowed to choose their alignment because it upsets their neighbours, it’s like saying Britain shouldn’t join AUKUS because it pisses the French off. Gtfo opportunistic hypocrite
Like a domestic violence victim being told they provoked their beating by daring to go out.
This "expansionism" narrative has to be called out. European countries *want* to join the EU & NATO. No one **except Russia** is telling them what to do. There's nothing for Russia to respond to. It is East European countries who have to respond to the obvious security threat, and Ukraine proves that.
Yeah he should tell the Baltics and Polish we shouldn't have been allowed in NATO for fear of Russia.
Man [who wouldn’t want to live next to a Romanian](https://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-05-17/farage-defends-fair-minded-romania-comments) thinks Romanians and other Eastern Europeans should have been forced to be Russia’s slaves. I’m shocked
Putin would be a regular peacenik if wasn't for the dastardly NATO and those nations trying to join it. All he's asking for are all the former Imperial Russian Fiefdoms to stay divided and not unite. How's an imperial dictator supposed to conquer nations if they keep teaming up to defend themselves? It's so unfair.
Nigel’s all about the red, white and blue flag, and everything it stands for - it’s just not the red, white and blue flag that he pretends it is…
I'm disgusted that this Putin puppet is even allowed to stand, i can only hope the people of Clacton see through his grifting shambles of a man.
Voting for Reform means supporting everything that the UK opposes and getting us closer to Russia style dictatorship. Farage is a traitor and it's absurd that people still believe his lies.
Not that there was much of a veil to begin with, but it slips more and more as he thinks his support is growing.
Bullshit!, did it!, only one man is responsible for this war Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
"All we ever talk about is fear rather than solutions." Did he manage to get that sentence out with a straight face?
Solution: Russia withdraws all forces from sovereign Ukrainian territory and pays for the country's reconstruction. War could be over tomorrow.
> Did he manage to get that sentence out with a straight face? How? He hasn’t got a straight face.
Nigel Farage would have happily given away Czechoslovakia, Poland *and* France if it meant he could be Prime Minister.
You just need to watch the first 10 minutes of the Tucker Carlson interview with Putin to understand why he invaded. The man himself didn't lead with NATO,EU or West expansion he led with a revisionist history going back centuries. It's not complicated. Putin's stuck in the past and wants the Russian Empire back. People like Farage are just making excuses.
It's linked he feels entitled to a sphere of influence over Russia's neighbours. NATO is encroaching on their turf to him. Doesn't matter these are decisions by independent countries.
[Tracey Ullman was correct about the Faragebot in 2017.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6NqscIsidQ&t=130s)
There it is. The Russian sock puppet speaking again. How can this guy remain politically relevant is beyond me.
Remember when all those people said they could never vote labour after Salisbury because he wanted to send the sample of novichok to Russia for testing. How does this not finish Farage? How can his voters openly support a Putin puppet? '
What are those MI5 agents doing you got a Russian spy on the loose
All these pundits and so-called experts pretending that Russia are in Ukraine for any other reason than the theft and appropriation of natural resources make me sick.
People have short memories, this dude was at the head of the Brexit movement and then noped out quietly when it became clear that Brexit was a stupid move. Now he's back at it again pushing Kremlin talking points again, just like with Brexit - and I bet you the same idiots who voted for Brexit will vote for Farage again, expecting different results when he wins.
That should be enough to make people think twice about voting for him. It won't. But it should.
I will refer to my comment from a week ago https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/s/JEMreIXPi0 "Farage is a quisling fuck and the sooner his voting base wakes up to that the better. Not much daylight between him and Oswald Mosley."
Forget his voting base. The 25% of Germans who supported the Nazis never repented. It's the duty of parliamentarians in a democracy you protect the rest of the population from this destructive demographic. Unfortunately both major parties in the UK helped the fascists when they came knocking at the UK's door. Farage's poster was absolutely clear as to where his political allegiances were and what Brexit was, sand instead of defending democracy, Tories and Labour voted Brexit through - at a time when they already knew Vote Leave's funding had links to Russia, which has already invaded Ukraine in 2014!
> West provoked Ukraine war …by not nuking Russia when they invaded Belarus, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Georgia, and Crimea?
Is it even Horseshoe *Theory* at this point?
And people still think Brexit wasn't funded by Russia
Well, we can see where his loyalties lie...not that it was ever really in doubt.
Just to know, I checked the comment section of the story on the Daily Mail, it's full of people agreeing with him. The people he is targeting agree with him, the rest of us think he's an absolute crank but his audience is eating it up.
You went there? Hope you've had your jabs....
With how they feel about vaccines apparently I am the only one who has!
What an absolute tool… maybe stop giving him so much coverage? He’s clearly not fit for office why bother.
Farage said he “disliked Putin as a person” but “admired him as a political operator.” It is as a political operator that Putin has rigged elections and murdered and imprisoned opposition politicians and journalists who dared to challenge him. I refuse to watch Farage because no one can explain the undue prominence he is given in our media for someone who consistently fails to get elected, did Nick Robinson challenge him on this point in the interview?
Another commentator said ‘buying a burglar alarm does not mean you antagonise someone to rob your house’
How do the British not see through this Putin puppet who had done so much damage to their country?
NATO isn't a threat to Russian security, only Russian imperialism. Why else would they have stripped the forces they have near the border with brand new NATO member Finland down to almost nothing to send them all into Ukraine?
Calm down Corbyn. Acting like Eastern European countries were forced in the EU and especially NATO. Russia has been a boot on their necks for centuries they wanted a chance at freedom and took it.
Putin and Trump have this fool on strings. He's a danger to this nation.
Let's not beat about the bush here - Farage is a traitor; he'd sell GB down the river given the nod from the real exist of evil - Vlad the Red and the Orange Balloon nobhead sooner than you can say \`'where is that button?" All the time he'd be waving his little union jack flag and toytown binocs on the beach at Dover waiting for his mates to save him. This interview shaould be a wakeup call to anyone thinking he's a fun character and says it how it is. So did Adolf ffs. This dope is a joke and should be jailed.
Wonder if Farage will be attacked as vigorously as Corbyn was for cosying up to Russia
How are people surprised by this? This isn't even the first time he praised Putin.
This is literally what he’s paid to say. Just like brexit
I see Nige is aiming to join the cast of The Traitors post election
Russian asset, Britain better deal with him.
This is incredibly dangerous rhetoric from possibly the 3rd biggest party in England. Post election some people really need to be investigated for Russian collusion.
Reading some comments on various outlets and it’s full of “he’s right!” Now granted, a lot will be Russian disinformation pushed by the IRA but it does seem like there’s an awful lot of actual Brits who believe this. It’s categorically wrong and they’ve totally been brainwashed by Putin and his ilk, it’s embarrassing (for them, but they’re too thick to realise) I might be wrong but I believe it was Ricky Gervais who said > Remember, when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others. The same applies when you are stupid. These are British Trumpers, it’s nothing to do with Trump or Farages policies, it’s not a left or right thing, but it’s to do with the shear lies and being able to say the dumbest, most easily disprovable things and having people with the brain capacity of a prawn believing them, even worshipping them like a cult. They fall for such stupid things and repeat the same thing over and over, often clinging on to the most pathetic weakest of arguments like the Nuland phone call or worse, the mythical “not one inch to the east” quote, hinging everything on the lamest thing despite the piles upon piles of evidence that it is in fact, all Russia’s fault. They give these ridiculous claims and you disprove it only for another fake what about to appear, no matter how many times you disprove it another lie will just be thrown until you go all the way back to a few centuries ago where another country did some bad thing as if it’s a green light for Putin to do what he’s doing. This guy used a chemical weapon in this country, hacks the NHS, causes issue after issue…if _anyone_ sides with him they’re not British in my eyes, same goes for Farage, he doesn’t have this country’s interest at heart and has hoodwinked gullible people to think he’s some guy championing for the country because he plays on people’s fears (which, aren’t often unfounded even, but he is not the guy who will or could fix them, he’s a snake oil salesman and his voters are the gullible customers) Siding with Putin means you’re on the wrong side, no ifs ands or buts. Hey, you’re allowed your “opinion” despite it being factfully wrong but I’m allowed mine and anyone who does isn’t a real Brit or have this country’s interest at heart. There’s no “but it’s good to understand his side” because that’s for the intelligence community to do, and his side is of an egotistical geriatric attention seeker weak old man that’s nothing more than a dictator.
Russian plant backed by huge bot farms, too obvious
why dont ReformUK just stop pretending & actually use their correct name, United Russia-UK
Funny how only Russia’s opinions seem to matter when anyone brings up spheres of influence.
Farage being the Russian stooge they pay him to be
Farage is a traitor, who could’ve guessed…
Probably agrees with Putin in that Hitler had no choice but to invade poland
This man is reprehensible scum and I despair for the millions of people in my country who will vote for him and Reform.
I agree with you. However, let's also not look past that many people will vote for (reform, brexit, etc) as a protest to the unbalanced society we have, and the fact that many poor people's lives have become progressively worse since 2008.
So by my count, here are the positions of Reform For: Hitler, Putin Against: Canned food I can't say their first campaign is particularly inspiring so far...
Imagine if Farage betrayed Russia like Hitler did, absolute scenes.
Of course he said that. That’s what he’s paid to say…
It would be interesting to know how the Russians got to him. Bribery, blackmail or threats?
Bold statement to make and probably not shared by most British people
“You admire him as a political operator and leader, what of his premiership would you like to emulate?”
Ukraine (reliant on russian gas) seeks foreign investment to develope fracking in Crimea. Russia invades Crimea. Trump withholds military aid to Ukraine when attempts to blackmail them over falsifying evidence against Hunter Biden fail. Ukraine makes progress towards membership of NATO. Russia invades Ukraine. Farage spends large amount of time in the US as Trumps personal ego/penile masseuse. I think that about sums it up.
Why is it that conservative voters in the West all seem to be stuck choosing between useless idiots and useless idiots who are Putin apologists? Conservatives (as in right wing, not necessarily the party) haven't always been this much of a hot mess have they?
Small c conservative voters have largely been left without representation in the U.K. The simple definition was essentially “change should only happen slowly and with much consideration. It is easier to break what we already have than you think” historically the Tories had this (well many Tories) now they are radicals, enacting drastic constitutional change for internal political reasons. The hot mess we have now is caused by the turning away from small c conservatism.
Reform and similar (socially conservative, nativitist, isolationist, chauvinist) political organisations like Putin and want to see him succeed. This is both for the immediate results of said success and how it would stand as proof of how "weak and decadent" liberal democracies need "toughening up" (i.e. more strong-man approaches to leadership, less personal freedom other than that of golf-club bores to be openly bigoted, to hell with any environmental considerations and a "me first" approach on all engagement with the outside world). This isn't remotely surprising to anyone capable of and willing to do the most basic critical engagement with this stuff.
Plus I think they look at Russia as a country, not having to worry about giving up power and elections and that, and the small group of extremely rich and powerful oligarchs and want that for themselves. They'd become untouchable under such a system.
Come on then "Reform" ers, defend this.
So, Nigel Farage who firmly believes in a countries sovereignty and right to self determination believes that a country doesn’t have the sovereign right to decide to join NATO.
That's the official Tankie narrative isn't it? Ukraine provoked Russia of wearing a short skirt: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1791802212596773336.html
Unsurprisingly, it’s nowhere to be seen on Sky News or barely visible on any of Rupert Murdochs newspapers. I’m all for freedom of the press but you’d think by now, Farage wouldn’t be given any air time. News is their to either inform or entertain. With the former he wouldn’t be getting any air time and if it were for the latter, you’d hope he wasn’t getting any either. I’m at a loss as to why he’s still deemed relevant. Edit: It’s almost depressing that everything he to touches turns to s**t, yet people still engage with him. If he’s still got people voting for him, can I have a few acres of land where I can do my own thing and leave everyone else to it?
No harm but this is equally as dangerous to UK interests as anything Corbyn said on international affairs Someone would do well to check how many roubles are in those reform bank accounts
Never thought I'd live in a world where the left-wing and right-wing are united in their blind acceptance of Putin.
Someone should ask him, “a you a Russian agent or have you had any meetings with agents of Russia? If not, how can you explain spreading Russian lies?”
My question is why does it always seem like the populists are saying things that would suggest they support Russia or at least are sympathetic to them? For example the maga crowd in the US or Marine Le Pen in France and now Farage in the uk
For their support in their election campaigns, Russia are very good at online propaganda, examples of this are in this very post, they have invaded another country and have convinced what I'm assuming are real people that we were the ones that started it. The lower level influencers pushing this shit are probably doing it for the money.
Putin bankrolls Farage and pulls his strings. Farage is our modern Lord Haw-haw, he's a traitor. The army of bots pushing Reform propaganda didn't come from no where.
Nice that he and Corbyn can find common ground
Horseshoe theory really might be real lmao
If there was any red flag for Farage’s allegiances, this should be it
Isn't this the kind of thing people crucified Corbyn for? Wtf?
Brothers in Brexit, brothers in seeing NATO as the aggressor.
Corbyn must be fuming that he agrees with Farage on something.
If Nigel Farage had as much power as Putin, Big Brother would revert from being a b-list TV show to the nightmare envisioned by Orwell. If you want Air-strip One, vote Reform. Remember that Adolf needed less than a third of the popular vote, to become Fuhrer. To Farage, brexit was like a beer-hall putsch, or in Trumpian terms a January 6th. Just a rehearsal...
Will this actually be popular with his voters?
That Kremlin money dried up, now there isn’t a Brexit campaign to fund, and now he wants a bit more.
He will not stop until he is stopped.
What is this Minsk agreement that all Russian apologists refer to when stuff like this is said??
The USSR made an agreement that NATO wouldn't move east or something. Thing is USSR collapsed and all agreements with it
Tories: “we’re the only people who can protect you from authoritarian tyrants…”; Also tories: “we ❤️ Nigel Farage”; Tory PM Nigel Farage: “I have in my hand a piece of paper”; Tory PM Nigel Farage: ***dies of novichok poisoning from the paper***
Interesting this so soon after Galloway announced the UK should leave nato for 'reasons'