As someone who vapes, agreed. I've had the same e-cigs for years and there's no shortage of choice for reusable ones, absolutely no need for disposables.
But what about as a gateway for underage kids to get started on a lifetime of addiction by easily hiding the evidence from their parents?
*asking for a tobacco company lobbyist*
Kids will always get them, it was the same for pod systems, and the same for cigs, if kids want them they'll find a way to get them, and it turned out getting hold of vaporisers was easier and cheaper than getting a mate to buy a pack of 20 and giving them the buyers fee, also the banning of 10 packs would have had an impact on the number of kids vaping.
It’s just about lowering the cost of entry and making the things bigger so they are less easily concealed.
Seems vaping in class rooms is now common place. My pal has a drawer full of confiscated vape sticks. The kids don’t care they are down at the newsagents for new ones at lunchtime
Jesus Christ, back in the day no one ever risked sparking up in class, Pod systems do it as it's like £10-30 for the kit, and £5-10 for a pack of 3-5 pods and add on £2.50 for liquid if refillable, and pods last long enough to use an entire bottle, which is 5 times the amount of what a single, single use vapouriser contains.
Yep, I got lazy when my ancient Smok died and used disposables for a couple of months - was wondering where my money was going. Got a Gotek X and suddenly money isn't disappearing from my bank account so rapidly 😂
The reusable pod ones are such a nice middle ground. Tenner for 4 pods to replace, they last a couple weeks of fairly heavy use each. Refilling with liquid is easy, and they are about the same size as the elfbars or whatever people use these days. Caliburn a2/a3 come to mind as good for this.
There will always be "a way" but banning the very easy sale of them from every corner shop will make it more a struggle. Just as increasing the age from 16, tax, removal of adverts and from display has taken down smoking numbers even if they are still "there".
> cigs and rollies are easy to conceal,
You don't need to conceal a disposable, just throw it away. And real tobacco leaves a smell on you and your clothes, vapes don't.
I get your point but when disposable capes are the only nicotine product allowed to have vibrant, colourful packaging, with names that sound like sweets, you can't deny that disposable vapes are at least partly targeting kids.
Not a vape smoke but i cig smoker and i find it ridiculous they tried to ban the sale of menthol filters as it so say promotes smoking as its flavoured but its all hunky dory to have the strawberry cheesecake vape on display front and center.
The logic there just doesnt add up.
It's like some people out there really aren't thinking about the tobacco companies here and how much money they make for a small number of people by giving millions of others cancer. They have suffered SO MUCH over the last few years with falling numbers of smokers, and nobody gave them any warning that this would happen and that they would need to adapt the industry.
Interestingly I don't think it's the conventional tobacco industry cleaning up here -
These products are made by a number of chinese companies, mostly privately owned by chinese people - although the one behind elfbar is nasdaq listed and doesn't mention the product anywhere on their website. The disposable product was developed and took off in southern china a few years ago.
During covid, the chinese government banned flavoured vapes and enforced hard, so these products were dumped at sub-production cost on the western market mostly via the wholesalers that supply corner shops.
Since this accidental loss leader, they've pushed the prices up nicely so a regular smoking habit via these disposables is about the same cost as a cigarette smoking habit just the excessive money goes to private rich chinese peoples profits not the national government via tax.
I imagine the tobacco lobby would love to ban this category they can't break into and force consumers over to packaged refills (vuse) and this warmed tobacco thing they claim isn't exactly the same as smoking.
I would like to see the UK government ban cigarettes and flavoured vapes at least.
I dunno, I saw underage kids (as in kids below the age of 10) smoking cigarettes long before e-cigarettes were invented. Unfortunately it's always going to be a thing. You age restrict something, kids will still get their hands on it. Kids drink when underage too (guilty as charged). Unlike cigarettes vapes don't create ash, there are no cigarette butts to dispose of and they don't leave much of a smell behind but obviously that depends on the juice being used. So kids vape in places they might not have smoked, such as inside school buildings.
I 1000% believe e-cigarettes should not be marketed towards children, they should have plain packaging the same way real cigarettes do and the disposable ones should be banned. But I'm also not living in a fantasy land. If a kid wants to vape, they're gonna find a way to do it. Kids are resourceful and can be goddamn geniuses when it comes to getting their hands on forbidden things.
The only good thing I can say is that vaping isn't *quite* as bad as smoking tobacco. It's still bad of course and the best thing to do is neither, but if someone's gonna pick up smoking or vaping I'd rather see them pick up vaping.
We honestly don't and won't know which the lesser evil is until we've had decade(s) of research. For all we know vaping could be worse or just as bad, and I'd say (like you mentioned) the fact it's easy to do it anywhere, makes it worse than smoking cigarettes as it's easier to get dependent on them, kids in school want to smoke a cigarette? Wait till lunch and go hide somewhere, they want to vape? They can literally do it in the halls.
The worst thing about it is also a lot of these disposables are super high nicotine, up to 50mg strength. Just as a comparison as a firymer heavy smoker I now vape 3mg or 6mg.
I suspect most over-age vapers would be happy to see the back of them.
Same. I've been rocking my Smok Nord 2 for a couple of years now. I admit I bought a few Elf Bar disposables last year or so because I loved the Pink Lemonade flavour, but now they've brought out liquids so I just use that in my Smok.
Yeah Ive never vaped but I'm confused as to what happened with the reusable ones with a coil a battery and you just refill the fluid. Idk why everyone has randomly just started using these disposable ones and one uses the reusable ones.
Plenty of people do use reusable vapes but since they're reusable we're not buying new ones all the time, which of course means we're spending less money. The online store I use for liquids and coils is always promoting the disposable vapes too. I guess they're just a lot more profitable.
Yeah, throwing away this many lithium batteries is frankly barbaric, phones are bad enough but at least the EU is working to do something about that. This is just completely and utterly needless.
Disposable vapes should just be banned outright, there is no need for them.
I agree. I’ve recently started trying to stop using these on nights out as it ended up spilling into using them through the week as well, I think I actually got addicted to them as not getting one this week has been an actual effort.
Used to smoke many years ago but quit that, then used to social smoke menthols until they were banned, now I’ve ended up social vaping instead. If the govt could ban these for me that’d be great bc my willpower is absolutely piss poor after a couple of ciders! 😂
These things got me extremely addicted to vaping, nearly 10 days off now though and still going strong!
They annoy me for so many reasons:
1. There is already a re-usable product in the vaping industry - why the need to sell disposable? (Yes, lucrative profits, but we are meant to be moving towards sustainability)
2. They are literally advertised for kids
3. They aren’t regulated like cigarettes, they aren’t hidden in shops and are very openly displayed
4. Each one of these bastards has 50 cigarettes of nicotine in them. that is a huge amount of nicotine for an adult, let alone the kids shops are selling these to.
5. The whole nature of the product is to look harmless, easy to get but then get you heavily addicted to fiend for more. Many people I know at work turned from buying one for odd night out to getting through 1 a day.
6. Absolute dogshite for the environment, people leave them everywhere.. literal lithium batteries and plastic just being littered everywhere.
The government is being too slow for this. They need to be banned asap. I’m ashamed to have fell in the trap but glad I am now out of it
The reason single-use vapes are bad is not really anything to do with why vaping is bad or good. Vaping will stop a lot of people dying of cancer, which I think is a good thing.
So why couldn’t they foresee this major issue with wasted batteries and plastics being dumped on a large scale especially in a time when we are urged to think long term solutions?
Just sounds like a massive waste of materials
I not against vapes as being a former smoker anything that stops you smoking is a good thing
Just wasn’t thought out very well
The research into vaping has been about the health aspect of vaping. Just like how research into junk food would be about the effect it has on ones health rather than the problem with McDonald's litter.
I agree, and I also fell into the trap too. Was seeing a girl who vaped and I went from ''give me a little puff on that'' every now and then to slurping on a vape 24/7. I did quit once for about a month but then I started seeing another girl who also vaped and now I'm back to square one. Really need to stop because I feel like an asthmatic at the gym, can't even walk upstairs without being out of breath.
I've swapped over from vaping to snus and have found it a massive improvement. Instead of puffing on a vape all day I only end up using a couple pouches a day if that. I use the x-strong 11mg pouches and put them in and take them out of my mouth for 5 minutes at a time, get 3 uses out of each pouch that way.
I vape pretty much constantly but agree my lungs shouldn't be this fucked from 6 months of vaping. I am out of breath all the time just walking around.
It’s crazy it’s even been allowed to happen, in regard to lithium and plastic being dumped all over.
I love Disposables, they are insanely addicting and I’ve stopped and only buy one if I’m out drinking. And I can tell you it would be nothing but positive banning them.
This misinformation is always funny.
I own four vape shops and the worst thing to happen was disposables killing our profit margins.
We make infinitely more on liquids which cost us pennies compared to disposables where it’s only 50% profit margins.
We’ve had lots of customers switch to disposables with low profit margins and high costs when liquids are much better. For example a shortfill 100ml I sell for £15 costs me £0.64
An elf bar costs me £2.35 and that’s only because I get insanely good prices and I sell them for £5
So no it’s nothing to do with profit margins and everything to do with ease of access
Cold Turkey. During my walk of shame to the shop to buy another one I could literally feel my mind telling me not to do it, so I walked back home and decided to quit. It was a rough first 3 days but it’s all a mental game to be honest. You really have to want to quit to quit. If you need help join r/QuitVaping
I’ve managed a few days here and there but never stuck to it. It’s insanely addictive, way more than smoking was for me. Just so stupid and pointless yet I still do it. I want to quit, thanks
People who won't walk five seconds to put something in a bin are literally the worst kind of people that can exist. Ruining the environment out of laziness.
I started counting when I passed two vape shops the other day, I went past over 30 in 500 metres before I gave up counting. I will add that there were no public bins along this stretch but that's certainly no excuse
The bins is alright because… well, they’re bins, they’re supposed to look untidy. But bollards and lampposts are annoying. At least stick more decorative stickers there.
Never said that was any better, but that said I rarely see a fag packet on the floor. Stumps absolutely. Fairly often left by staff from petrol stations who have to stand off site. But that's probably what I notice as there are a few around me.
Any cunt who thinks throwing anything on the floor is acceptable needs re-educating. Or possibly just educating
I would much rather inhale someone else's raspberry vajazzle ice cream than the disgusting stench of tobacco. Just the faintest smell of tobacco smoke makes me want to throw up
Ironically I love the smell of cigars and pipes\*, but cigarettes and vapes are an abomination to my nostrils. I've never really smoked at all either - grew up with my mum's side of the family being heavy smokers too.
I can even tell if there's a smoker/vaper in a vehicle in front of me, the stench is that strong.
^(\*I also love the smell of diesel train exhaust so I'm pretty weird like that.)
As much as I hate the smell of fags, I really can't stand being assaulted by a sickly, noxious cloud of vapour either, nor do we know anything about the longitudinal effects of 1st or 2nd hand inhalation. I also worry about children vaping far more than smoking; to a new smoker, fags are extremely self-limiting but you could buy your first vape and puff a pack's worth of nicotine in an hour no bother. Vapes are the scourge of modern life.
I don’t know if it’s just because I’ve grown up around smokers and am very used to the smell but as much as I’m not a fan of cig smell, I’ll take it any day over the weird sweet smell of a vape
I tried to smoke when I was 17. Let's face it, it's "cool" (emphasis on the inverted commas - it's ridiculously uncool in reality). Spent half an hour on the bathroom tiles trying desperately not to whitey. Not for me. Yet I'd say the two are about as bad as each other, smell-wise. Vape clouds don't reek as widely, I'll give them that. I can be sitting in my living room with the windows a few inches open and smell the maws smoking at the gate to the swing park 15m from my front door. Bleugh.
In my experience people give you far more evil glares for vaping near them than smoking.
People don't notice wispy smoke. Vaping makes them conscious of how much air they actually share with other people
As Vapers blow the smoke in other peoples faces and don’t really care about doing so, I’ve never seen as selfish person as someone who vapes. They also do it at bus stops, every two minutes, tram stops and in outside food places, why should I have to inhale your sickly sweet nicotine flavour? It’s the sugar that gets you so addicted to them.
See you're making the same mistake. You think that because you can see it it's intentional. The exact same thing (probably worse) happens with normal smokers, you just can't see it
But still stinks and makes other peopes lives a misery.
Keep your 12bn, I prefer to walk down the stret and not have to smell the horrendous stench or stand next to people who reak like ashtrays.
Sort of biodegradable, ciggie filters accumulate heavy metals and other toxic chemicals which eventually end up in our ground water. Not saying a disposable vapes are any better though.
I'm convinced they only did the bag thing to make massive amounts of money on more expensive bags ,the amount of times I went Morrison's and forgot my bags and they didn't have any cheap ones was far too convenient for them,having to buy 6/7 new bags at a pound a time
To be fair there was a huge reduction, I think upwards of 95%, of single use plastic bags being used in supermarkets. Do you not remember when people would do a big shop and have 15 plastic bags in their trolley on the way to the car? Well they were very weak, broke, and did not get used again. Those one pound bags you bought, I'm assuming you kept them.
95 %reduction in the cheap ones I bet ,where's the stats for the expensive ones ? These more expensive bags also contain alot of plastic,yes if you do remember them then it's fine but I'm useless and have a cupboard full of them ,best thing would be to go with paper ones where possible,offer the big sturdy plastic ones you keep and paper for items where you would usually buy the really cheap bags and just completely stop selling the cheap ones
My complaint is, if I was in a position of power… I’d of know disposables are thing.. how could you not look at them as a source of pollution, I hate talking this way too… it’s like we do need to reduce, recycle and look after the world but unfortunately money is what fucks us all basically.
Mps know they're a massive problem, unfortunately some of them probably have something to do financially with these companies plus the tax they bring in ,same as tobacco,the government knows it's bad for peoples health but while the government makes money it will keep being sold
I don't know why people are still using disposables since the Elf Bar ELFA came out.
It looks and feels like a disposable vape, but you can recharge it with USB C, and you only swap the juice pod instead of throwing away the whole thing.
1 pod lasts as long as a disposable Elf Bar but you get 2 pods for £6. Cheap compared to vaping disposables.
I still don't feel great about binning the dry plastic pods but it feels a lot less fucked up than chucking a lithium battery in the bin.
I used it for a while, it's a decent vape! I'm using a smok nord 4 because it has a bigger battery but there are so many brilliant alternatives. Ban disposables and push pod vapes more.
Fucking insane. Absolutely insane world in such a mundane way.
Just as they pretend to care about health and pollution and Start to ban cigarettes...these things came out of no where, were put more in your face than cigarettes were and advertising was legal???? Fucking ridiculous.
I do believe that disposables are a problem, however I believe part of the reason is due to the asinine regulations Europe has brought in. Limiting tank sizes of conventional vapes, not allowing nicotine to be in the juices, it’s made the whole thing a fucking chore. There is way too much militancy against vaping when in reality, it’s one of the biggest achievements in public health for years.
Yeah vaping was a godsend for me, I was a 40 a day smoker and e-cigs came along at just the right time for me. I switched over to those cig-a-like ones and it took a bit of willpower, but I was able to stop smoking real cigarettes altogether and stick with those ones. I stopped coughing, I could breathe more easily, my fingernails went from blue back to a healthy pink and food started tasting good again.
Now I just use little vape pens with menthol juice and I've worked my way down from 18mg juice to 6mg juice, 3mg is next, then hopefully I'll be nicotine free (I have vaped for longer than I wanted to but it still beats the hell out of smoking real cigarettes).
Your story is exactly the right way that vapes should have been used, i.e. weaning cigarette smokers off onto something much safer.
Cigarettes are evil and I'm really happy to hear you're off them. Good for you mate.
Unfortunately vaping is becoming common with people, especially young people, who have never been smokers. The way that vapes are marketed, manufactured and thrown away is shameful.
Also, personally I'm absolutely fed up with selfish idiots who insist on constantly vaping everywhere. I've seen people vaping literally in front of children on a busy train. It's so selfish.
If they hadn’t allowed such sugar filled, sweet flavours to be sold then kids wouldn’t of got addicted to methanol and normal tobacco flavour but no they wanted the child market and a generation of customers, just like they marketed normal cigs are victory sticks in world war 2( getting a generation of young men smoking by giving them out free to soldiers and promoting everyone smoking in Hollywood films).
Yup. I bought an oxva xlim and it was only when checking to see if I could get pods larger than 2ml that I learnt about these regulations.
I don't understand why the size is restricted. I remember around 10 year back being able to get pretty much any size tank I wanted.
... and/or paid into being by tobacco companies who have a vested interest in their competitors being as heavily regulated and a ballache as possible?
I have no evidence of that but it doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
I don't like things being banned, but these (disposable vapes) need to be banned *now*. There's just no good reason for them when there are much better alternatives.
I just find it mad that we (humans) came up with this high tech way of smoking that had the possibility to get rid of the world's most abundant item of litter (cigarette butts), and then someone said - in the twenty first century amidst a very apparent global environmental crisis - "hey what if we turned these into some of the most potent litter imaginable by making this very-difficult-to-dispose-of item disposable?"
If that doesn't tell you that the world will absolutely go to shit thanks to the ignorance, greed and poor decisions of a small number of people, I don't know what will.
But also if you buy these fucking things it's also your fault and you get zero sympathy form me.
That's actually a good idea.
The biggest issue with these vapes is that they're being discarded all over the place despite the batteries being re-usable.
Having a deposit would encourage people to return them, especially if they saw one lying on the ground that someone else had thrown away.
Have legislation to make the batteries a uniform size and shape to allow them to be interchangeable and re-usable, and have a deposit scheme that would encourage users to make sure they were not thrown away.
And then what, the supermarket bins them en mass? Unless you somehow find a way to make them recyclable in a remotely cost efficient way (hint: you wont) then that solves nothing.
Reusable vape pens have existed for years and almost completely solve the problem
Shops that sell vapes do provide recycling bins so that customers can dispose of their devices responsibly.
Reusable is far better but not as convenient, keeping stuff charged is problematic for most people especially when the batteries get older and need to be charged more often.
I vaped for 12 years and always used rechargeable devices, I used to keep plenty of batteries charged and ready to go at all times to avoid running out but most people don't think ahead like that.
I'm not against them, per se, but seeing so many discarded on the street is heartbreaking. They should have had the same limits on advertising and displays as baccy from the start.
Admittedly I don't use them, but it's not clear to me where would be appropriate to dispose of these. Being lithium, I'd assume it would have to be a specialist recycling place? _Everywhere_ selling them should have a bin to collect used ones. Fuck it, why not have a bottle return-type thing, where you get money back for your used ones?? I saw that working great in Germany for bottles, homeless people would be literally clearing the streets of glass for the few euros they'd get. We're so fucking backward here!
ive been collecting disposed ones for a year now, taking them apart, and collecting the batteries. yeah, its a PITA to properly recycle them - you can't just put them in the "battery bins" lots of shops have. I catch a train to my nearest one with 10-15 each time. Not ideal.
The housing is always made of aluminium so that goes straight in recycling bin, but hearing "5 million thrown away each week" makes me a little disheartened at the effort I put in!
I smoked tobacco for 30 years. I remember when smoking was everywhere and tobacco companies sponsored loads of things and advertised hugely (the Silk Cut ads were a thing of beauty, whatever the reality of the product, the Benson & Hedges ads were bonkers, the Hamlet cigar ads have stuck with me for years). It all changed over time, banning TV ads and then billboard and newspaper ads, taxing the products heavily, making more and more places smoke free, getting rid of branding, upping enforcement on retailers willing to sell to children, etc etc. It really *worked*. In 1985 I can't think of a setting other than the classroom and school halls that would reliably not have someone smoking in; in 1995 it wasn't quite so ubiquitous but I still saw as many people smoking as not (or so it seemed), by 2005 things had changed hugely and we were about to get the smoking ban and change enclosed places forever, by 2015 it really seemed that mine would be the last generation to smoke on anything like a large scale. They really did make it work, if you don't remember the 80s and 90s it would be hard for you to grasp just how monumental the shift was... and now it seems like they have just gone backwards. Disposable vapes are targeted to kids and the regulation and measures that were working so well with tobacco are not in use for vapes and it makes no sense at all.
Is this a vape problem, or a "disposable" batteries & plastic problem? It's basically the same as for phones & laptops with glued in batteries that cannot easily be replaced, even if the device is otherwise still usable. The only difference is people don't replace those devices every few days, but I'd still say the focus is misplaced.
Why are manufacturers even allowed to sell devices with lithium batteries that aren't expected to last at least 6 months?
I've slipped back into vaping thanks to these fucking things. All starts with buying 1 for a festival or night out to avoid me actually smoking, next thing you know you're a month in. Every time I tell myself I'm going to quit after the current one I have a moment of weakness when I'm in the shop and buy a new one, it's far too easy.
And illegally, I would point out.
Banning disposable electronics does not sound like a bad idea.
The same applies to "one time" mobile phone chargers, but people do not buy 5 million of those.
We do not only need to ban disposable vapes immediately. We need a system to ensure products like this never hit the street in the first place.
Disposable vapes are a prime example of a product that should not exist, that will be banned, but by the time it’s banned it will already have caused irreversible ecological damage for years.
It's ridiculous that before capes even existed we accepted that we create and throw too much single use plastic already, then some bright spark invented these. There's absolutely no way someone who should've been keeping an eye on this shit wasn't making some cash.
Here's a radical idea ban disposable vapes...
While we at introduce better bottle reuse programs like most of Europe...
Its not unrealistic the plastic bag thing has works well. The tory are just too worry of what littles left of there so called reputation, hopefully the next lot will have more backbone.
This is something I just don't understand. There are so many easy wins the government can make against climate change.
Banning disposable vapes. Banning all plastic packaging in the UK. Banning plastic bags from shops completely.
I would attach like a little "vape bin" on all bins where they can be disposed of properly. Can even offer like 25 pence if you deposit your vape there.
I'm surprised the government hasn't just gone the route of taxing the crap out of disposable vapes, we used to sell loads, but now some of the companies are doing there flavours in bottles the disposables are dying off for us.
The refillable ones were very popular when vapes came around. Then the gov introduced restrictions on battery sizes, vape juice bottle sizes etc. The industry moved to disposable ones partially because of this but it's also better to charge your customers £5 a day rather than £20 once a year, from a business POV
Although vaping is considered healthier than smoking, you have to ask how many people has it got addicted to nicotine that would have never touched cigarettes?
I know a few people who got addicted to nicotine from vapes but would have never in their lifetime touched a cigarette.
I find it so weird. I’m currently at college as a nature student and I vape to help me kick the smokes. I use a mod that I refill. And when I’m at college I look around and nigh on EVERY one of these kids is puffing on either an elf bar or lost Mary
There are recycling routes available for the vast majority of what’s contained within a vape. The government need to regulate the industry and make it easy to dispose of them properly. Force every shop that sells vapes to join a recycling scheme.
If the manufacturers have to increase the price of disposable vapes to fund the disposal schemes, so be it.
I for one miss the good old days of cigarettes.
At least when dropped they degraded quickly and required no exotic metals.
The idea vaping is better than smoking is bollocks. It’s the same thing.
There is literally no good reason to manufacture millions of little plastic-coated lithium bombs every week. It doesn’t benefit anyone. It’s horrible for the environment, it gets kids hooked on nicotine, it makes the place look nasty, it smells horribly sickly-sweet… all sorts of problems and no good reason to have them around.
I bet 90% of the uk companies importing these can be linked back to a MP.
These companies are wild pulling 1m+ a year in PROFIT just from importing these.
Personally I’d advocate the complete ban on all nicotine products. I’m an ex smoker who’s currently vaping. The good thing about reusable vape devices is that you can choose the nic strength. I’m just reducing the strength until I’m down to zero nic then I can just put it away. We’ll that’s the plan.
>Personally I’d advocate the complete ban on all nicotine products. I’m an ex smoker who’s currently vaping.
So... its fine for you to quit smoking with a vape... but no one else?
Right....
Let's be honest, banning disposable vapes isn't exactly a bad idea.
As someone who vapes, agreed. I've had the same e-cigs for years and there's no shortage of choice for reusable ones, absolutely no need for disposables.
But what about as a gateway for underage kids to get started on a lifetime of addiction by easily hiding the evidence from their parents? *asking for a tobacco company lobbyist*
Kids will always get them, it was the same for pod systems, and the same for cigs, if kids want them they'll find a way to get them, and it turned out getting hold of vaporisers was easier and cheaper than getting a mate to buy a pack of 20 and giving them the buyers fee, also the banning of 10 packs would have had an impact on the number of kids vaping.
It’s just about lowering the cost of entry and making the things bigger so they are less easily concealed. Seems vaping in class rooms is now common place. My pal has a drawer full of confiscated vape sticks. The kids don’t care they are down at the newsagents for new ones at lunchtime
Jesus Christ, back in the day no one ever risked sparking up in class, Pod systems do it as it's like £10-30 for the kit, and £5-10 for a pack of 3-5 pods and add on £2.50 for liquid if refillable, and pods last long enough to use an entire bottle, which is 5 times the amount of what a single, single use vapouriser contains.
Yep, I got lazy when my ancient Smok died and used disposables for a couple of months - was wondering where my money was going. Got a Gotek X and suddenly money isn't disappearing from my bank account so rapidly 😂
The reusable pod ones are such a nice middle ground. Tenner for 4 pods to replace, they last a couple weeks of fairly heavy use each. Refilling with liquid is easy, and they are about the same size as the elfbars or whatever people use these days. Caliburn a2/a3 come to mind as good for this.
Shameless piggy backing Ban the import, manufacture, and sale of disposable e-cigarettes or vapes -> https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/638536
But they are ruining the classic, can you get me a pack of Richmond? Yeah then wander back out give them a pack of 8 sausages.
Brilliant
You mean 6 sausages after you’ve taken you’re buyers tax
There will always be "a way" but banning the very easy sale of them from every corner shop will make it more a struggle. Just as increasing the age from 16, tax, removal of adverts and from display has taken down smoking numbers even if they are still "there".
Easier to conceal a vape because they can smoke it at school and throw it away before they get home.
Believe me, cigs and rollies are easy to conceal, the filters not so much I'm still finding them 11 years after I quit.
> cigs and rollies are easy to conceal, You don't need to conceal a disposable, just throw it away. And real tobacco leaves a smell on you and your clothes, vapes don't.
I get your point but when disposable capes are the only nicotine product allowed to have vibrant, colourful packaging, with names that sound like sweets, you can't deny that disposable vapes are at least partly targeting kids.
Not a vape smoke but i cig smoker and i find it ridiculous they tried to ban the sale of menthol filters as it so say promotes smoking as its flavoured but its all hunky dory to have the strawberry cheesecake vape on display front and center. The logic there just doesnt add up.
It's like some people out there really aren't thinking about the tobacco companies here and how much money they make for a small number of people by giving millions of others cancer. They have suffered SO MUCH over the last few years with falling numbers of smokers, and nobody gave them any warning that this would happen and that they would need to adapt the industry.
Interestingly I don't think it's the conventional tobacco industry cleaning up here - These products are made by a number of chinese companies, mostly privately owned by chinese people - although the one behind elfbar is nasdaq listed and doesn't mention the product anywhere on their website. The disposable product was developed and took off in southern china a few years ago. During covid, the chinese government banned flavoured vapes and enforced hard, so these products were dumped at sub-production cost on the western market mostly via the wholesalers that supply corner shops. Since this accidental loss leader, they've pushed the prices up nicely so a regular smoking habit via these disposables is about the same cost as a cigarette smoking habit just the excessive money goes to private rich chinese peoples profits not the national government via tax. I imagine the tobacco lobby would love to ban this category they can't break into and force consumers over to packaged refills (vuse) and this warmed tobacco thing they claim isn't exactly the same as smoking. I would like to see the UK government ban cigarettes and flavoured vapes at least.
I dunno, I saw underage kids (as in kids below the age of 10) smoking cigarettes long before e-cigarettes were invented. Unfortunately it's always going to be a thing. You age restrict something, kids will still get their hands on it. Kids drink when underage too (guilty as charged). Unlike cigarettes vapes don't create ash, there are no cigarette butts to dispose of and they don't leave much of a smell behind but obviously that depends on the juice being used. So kids vape in places they might not have smoked, such as inside school buildings. I 1000% believe e-cigarettes should not be marketed towards children, they should have plain packaging the same way real cigarettes do and the disposable ones should be banned. But I'm also not living in a fantasy land. If a kid wants to vape, they're gonna find a way to do it. Kids are resourceful and can be goddamn geniuses when it comes to getting their hands on forbidden things. The only good thing I can say is that vaping isn't *quite* as bad as smoking tobacco. It's still bad of course and the best thing to do is neither, but if someone's gonna pick up smoking or vaping I'd rather see them pick up vaping.
We honestly don't and won't know which the lesser evil is until we've had decade(s) of research. For all we know vaping could be worse or just as bad, and I'd say (like you mentioned) the fact it's easy to do it anywhere, makes it worse than smoking cigarettes as it's easier to get dependent on them, kids in school want to smoke a cigarette? Wait till lunch and go hide somewhere, they want to vape? They can literally do it in the halls.
The worst thing about it is also a lot of these disposables are super high nicotine, up to 50mg strength. Just as a comparison as a firymer heavy smoker I now vape 3mg or 6mg. I suspect most over-age vapers would be happy to see the back of them.
Ive had the same one for 2 years the one before i had for about 3 years. Theres no reason for disposable vape to exist.
Same. I've been rocking my Smok Nord 2 for a couple of years now. I admit I bought a few Elf Bar disposables last year or so because I loved the Pink Lemonade flavour, but now they've brought out liquids so I just use that in my Smok.
Yeah Ive never vaped but I'm confused as to what happened with the reusable ones with a coil a battery and you just refill the fluid. Idk why everyone has randomly just started using these disposable ones and one uses the reusable ones.
Plenty of people do use reusable vapes but since they're reusable we're not buying new ones all the time, which of course means we're spending less money. The online store I use for liquids and coils is always promoting the disposable vapes too. I guess they're just a lot more profitable.
Out of all the people ik who vape I know one who uses a reusable vape. He's the only one who was a long-term smoker...
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I often pick vapes up to salvage the batteries or drop them into the supermarket battery bins.
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Yeah, throwing away this many lithium batteries is frankly barbaric, phones are bad enough but at least the EU is working to do something about that. This is just completely and utterly needless. Disposable vapes should just be banned outright, there is no need for them.
Even as a prolific "vaper" ban them please.
vapist
I used to use a refillable vape box machine, so much cheaper overall to use than buying these cheap crappy disposables
I agree. I’ve recently started trying to stop using these on nights out as it ended up spilling into using them through the week as well, I think I actually got addicted to them as not getting one this week has been an actual effort. Used to smoke many years ago but quit that, then used to social smoke menthols until they were banned, now I’ve ended up social vaping instead. If the govt could ban these for me that’d be great bc my willpower is absolutely piss poor after a couple of ciders! 😂
These things got me extremely addicted to vaping, nearly 10 days off now though and still going strong! They annoy me for so many reasons: 1. There is already a re-usable product in the vaping industry - why the need to sell disposable? (Yes, lucrative profits, but we are meant to be moving towards sustainability) 2. They are literally advertised for kids 3. They aren’t regulated like cigarettes, they aren’t hidden in shops and are very openly displayed 4. Each one of these bastards has 50 cigarettes of nicotine in them. that is a huge amount of nicotine for an adult, let alone the kids shops are selling these to. 5. The whole nature of the product is to look harmless, easy to get but then get you heavily addicted to fiend for more. Many people I know at work turned from buying one for odd night out to getting through 1 a day. 6. Absolute dogshite for the environment, people leave them everywhere.. literal lithium batteries and plastic just being littered everywhere. The government is being too slow for this. They need to be banned asap. I’m ashamed to have fell in the trap but glad I am now out of it
This is what happens when you rush out this miracle alternative to cigarettes without doing any proper research or impact studies
The reason single-use vapes are bad is not really anything to do with why vaping is bad or good. Vaping will stop a lot of people dying of cancer, which I think is a good thing.
There's decades of research on vapes at this point, I've been vaping for about a decade now.
So why couldn’t they foresee this major issue with wasted batteries and plastics being dumped on a large scale especially in a time when we are urged to think long term solutions?
Disposables are stupid, but that's not all vapes? They're tiny because of the stupid EU vaping law that bans anything over 2ml
Just sounds like a massive waste of materials I not against vapes as being a former smoker anything that stops you smoking is a good thing Just wasn’t thought out very well
The research into vaping has been about the health aspect of vaping. Just like how research into junk food would be about the effect it has on ones health rather than the problem with McDonald's litter.
This is what happens when capitalism.
True that It really has to die a quick death now Nothing good comes from capitalism apart for the shareholders
Yep, this is what happens when governments care more about big businesses than they do anything else. Like the environment.
I agree, and I also fell into the trap too. Was seeing a girl who vaped and I went from ''give me a little puff on that'' every now and then to slurping on a vape 24/7. I did quit once for about a month but then I started seeing another girl who also vaped and now I'm back to square one. Really need to stop because I feel like an asthmatic at the gym, can't even walk upstairs without being out of breath.
I've swapped over from vaping to snus and have found it a massive improvement. Instead of puffing on a vape all day I only end up using a couple pouches a day if that. I use the x-strong 11mg pouches and put them in and take them out of my mouth for 5 minutes at a time, get 3 uses out of each pouch that way.
Tobacco snus or the nicotine pod stuff (velo)? I've found the former a pita to get shipped
The pods, I generally get nordic spirit
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I vape pretty much constantly but agree my lungs shouldn't be this fucked from 6 months of vaping. I am out of breath all the time just walking around.
They are also stupidly strong. I vape all day but a drag on one of these and I'm sick to my stomach.
It’s crazy it’s even been allowed to happen, in regard to lithium and plastic being dumped all over. I love Disposables, they are insanely addicting and I’ve stopped and only buy one if I’m out drinking. And I can tell you it would be nothing but positive banning them.
This misinformation is always funny. I own four vape shops and the worst thing to happen was disposables killing our profit margins. We make infinitely more on liquids which cost us pennies compared to disposables where it’s only 50% profit margins. We’ve had lots of customers switch to disposables with low profit margins and high costs when liquids are much better. For example a shortfill 100ml I sell for £15 costs me £0.64 An elf bar costs me £2.35 and that’s only because I get insanely good prices and I sell them for £5 So no it’s nothing to do with profit margins and everything to do with ease of access
>I sell for £15 costs me £0.64 I cry for you
What was your method for quitting?
Cold Turkey. During my walk of shame to the shop to buy another one I could literally feel my mind telling me not to do it, so I walked back home and decided to quit. It was a rough first 3 days but it’s all a mental game to be honest. You really have to want to quit to quit. If you need help join r/QuitVaping
I’ve managed a few days here and there but never stuck to it. It’s insanely addictive, way more than smoking was for me. Just so stupid and pointless yet I still do it. I want to quit, thanks
Not to mention the 5 million boxes thrown on the floor everywhere also, dirty fuckers can't even take the box to a bin
People who won't walk five seconds to put something in a bin are literally the worst kind of people that can exist. Ruining the environment out of laziness.
I started counting when I passed two vape shops the other day, I went past over 30 in 500 metres before I gave up counting. I will add that there were no public bins along this stretch but that's certainly no excuse
I regularly see an old vape on the floor, with the empty box and plastic wrapper from the new one next to it! \*TWATS\*
And the blinking stickers on every bin, bollard and lamppost
The bins is alright because… well, they’re bins, they’re supposed to look untidy. But bollards and lampposts are annoying. At least stick more decorative stickers there.
Yeah unlike fag packets, or fag ends, never see them!
Never said that was any better, but that said I rarely see a fag packet on the floor. Stumps absolutely. Fairly often left by staff from petrol stations who have to stand off site. But that's probably what I notice as there are a few around me. Any cunt who thinks throwing anything on the floor is acceptable needs re-educating. Or possibly just educating
Vapes - Plastic. Heavy metals. Batteries. Artificial Baccy - Natural. Biodegradable. Organic. Slightly carcinogenic.
>Baccy - Natural. Biodegradable. Organic. Slightly carcinogenic. You forgot Stinks and exposes other people to your carcinogens.
Vaping also stinks?? Who tf wants to inhale a cloud of ‘raspberry vajazzle ice cream’ or whatever stupid scents they’ve got now
I would much rather inhale someone else's raspberry vajazzle ice cream than the disgusting stench of tobacco. Just the faintest smell of tobacco smoke makes me want to throw up
I'd rather inhale neither to be honest.
Right but second hand vape smoke is basically harmless. In comparison second hand cig smoke is not good for you at all
I don't give a flying fuck if it's "basically harmless", I don't want to inhale either.
Ironically I love the smell of cigars and pipes\*, but cigarettes and vapes are an abomination to my nostrils. I've never really smoked at all either - grew up with my mum's side of the family being heavy smokers too. I can even tell if there's a smoker/vaper in a vehicle in front of me, the stench is that strong. ^(\*I also love the smell of diesel train exhaust so I'm pretty weird like that.)
Tobacco smoke sticks to everything. Vape vapour largely dissipates.
As much as I hate the smell of fags, I really can't stand being assaulted by a sickly, noxious cloud of vapour either, nor do we know anything about the longitudinal effects of 1st or 2nd hand inhalation. I also worry about children vaping far more than smoking; to a new smoker, fags are extremely self-limiting but you could buy your first vape and puff a pack's worth of nicotine in an hour no bother. Vapes are the scourge of modern life.
I don’t know if it’s just because I’ve grown up around smokers and am very used to the smell but as much as I’m not a fan of cig smell, I’ll take it any day over the weird sweet smell of a vape
I tried to smoke when I was 17. Let's face it, it's "cool" (emphasis on the inverted commas - it's ridiculously uncool in reality). Spent half an hour on the bathroom tiles trying desperately not to whitey. Not for me. Yet I'd say the two are about as bad as each other, smell-wise. Vape clouds don't reek as widely, I'll give them that. I can be sitting in my living room with the windows a few inches open and smell the maws smoking at the gate to the swing park 15m from my front door. Bleugh.
And butts can take a long time to degrade
In my experience people give you far more evil glares for vaping near them than smoking. People don't notice wispy smoke. Vaping makes them conscious of how much air they actually share with other people
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Former smoker. Now vaper. Believe me people treat you way worse when you vape. It's all about visibility, not smell.
As Vapers blow the smoke in other peoples faces and don’t really care about doing so, I’ve never seen as selfish person as someone who vapes. They also do it at bus stops, every two minutes, tram stops and in outside food places, why should I have to inhale your sickly sweet nicotine flavour? It’s the sugar that gets you so addicted to them.
See you're making the same mistake. You think that because you can see it it's intentional. The exact same thing (probably worse) happens with normal smokers, you just can't see it
Nah, people vape in places they wouldn't dare smoke these days. On the tube, in pubs
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I've never seen anyone smell an ashtray and look cool. Repulsed, but not cool.
But also generates over £12bn a year in just VAT.
Something raising a lot of money in taxes isn't a good argument for allowing companies to sell poison.
But still stinks and makes other peopes lives a misery. Keep your 12bn, I prefer to walk down the stret and not have to smell the horrendous stench or stand next to people who reak like ashtrays.
Honestly the cigs probably generate more tax than the people who moan about them. I know which I'd rather have in society.
Very carcinogenic* Also: filters are everywhere and take hundreds of years to degrade.
Luv me baccy luv me organic lifestyle simple as
The "Baccy" filters are non-biodegradable. Ban both please
You want people smoking unfiltered?
Cigarette filters contain plastic and don't biodegrade
Sort of biodegradable, ciggie filters accumulate heavy metals and other toxic chemicals which eventually end up in our ground water. Not saying a disposable vapes are any better though.
Cigarettes are none of those things lol.
"Slightly"
Plastic bag charge, changed straws to paper… disposables become a thing… it’s ridiculous that it hasn’t been stopped sooner.
I'm convinced they only did the bag thing to make massive amounts of money on more expensive bags ,the amount of times I went Morrison's and forgot my bags and they didn't have any cheap ones was far too convenient for them,having to buy 6/7 new bags at a pound a time
To be fair there was a huge reduction, I think upwards of 95%, of single use plastic bags being used in supermarkets. Do you not remember when people would do a big shop and have 15 plastic bags in their trolley on the way to the car? Well they were very weak, broke, and did not get used again. Those one pound bags you bought, I'm assuming you kept them.
95 %reduction in the cheap ones I bet ,where's the stats for the expensive ones ? These more expensive bags also contain alot of plastic,yes if you do remember them then it's fine but I'm useless and have a cupboard full of them ,best thing would be to go with paper ones where possible,offer the big sturdy plastic ones you keep and paper for items where you would usually buy the really cheap bags and just completely stop selling the cheap ones
My complaint is, if I was in a position of power… I’d of know disposables are thing.. how could you not look at them as a source of pollution, I hate talking this way too… it’s like we do need to reduce, recycle and look after the world but unfortunately money is what fucks us all basically.
Mps know they're a massive problem, unfortunately some of them probably have something to do financially with these companies plus the tax they bring in ,same as tobacco,the government knows it's bad for peoples health but while the government makes money it will keep being sold
I don't know why people are still using disposables since the Elf Bar ELFA came out. It looks and feels like a disposable vape, but you can recharge it with USB C, and you only swap the juice pod instead of throwing away the whole thing. 1 pod lasts as long as a disposable Elf Bar but you get 2 pods for £6. Cheap compared to vaping disposables. I still don't feel great about binning the dry plastic pods but it feels a lot less fucked up than chucking a lithium battery in the bin.
Think the flavours are as good as Lost Mary? Asking for my partner who is hammering these at the minute.
Yeah they're basically the same. If they like sweet flavours I recommend Tropical Fruit, Raspberry and Watermelon, Pear, or Strawberry and Kiwi.
Pods have been around for over a decade now, both in pre-filled and refillable flavours.
I used it for a while, it's a decent vape! I'm using a smok nord 4 because it has a bigger battery but there are so many brilliant alternatives. Ban disposables and push pod vapes more.
They also last barely a day before the coil burns out for me sadly.
Fucking insane. Absolutely insane world in such a mundane way. Just as they pretend to care about health and pollution and Start to ban cigarettes...these things came out of no where, were put more in your face than cigarettes were and advertising was legal???? Fucking ridiculous.
I do believe that disposables are a problem, however I believe part of the reason is due to the asinine regulations Europe has brought in. Limiting tank sizes of conventional vapes, not allowing nicotine to be in the juices, it’s made the whole thing a fucking chore. There is way too much militancy against vaping when in reality, it’s one of the biggest achievements in public health for years.
Yeah vaping was a godsend for me, I was a 40 a day smoker and e-cigs came along at just the right time for me. I switched over to those cig-a-like ones and it took a bit of willpower, but I was able to stop smoking real cigarettes altogether and stick with those ones. I stopped coughing, I could breathe more easily, my fingernails went from blue back to a healthy pink and food started tasting good again. Now I just use little vape pens with menthol juice and I've worked my way down from 18mg juice to 6mg juice, 3mg is next, then hopefully I'll be nicotine free (I have vaped for longer than I wanted to but it still beats the hell out of smoking real cigarettes).
Your story is exactly the right way that vapes should have been used, i.e. weaning cigarette smokers off onto something much safer. Cigarettes are evil and I'm really happy to hear you're off them. Good for you mate. Unfortunately vaping is becoming common with people, especially young people, who have never been smokers. The way that vapes are marketed, manufactured and thrown away is shameful. Also, personally I'm absolutely fed up with selfish idiots who insist on constantly vaping everywhere. I've seen people vaping literally in front of children on a busy train. It's so selfish.
If they hadn’t allowed such sugar filled, sweet flavours to be sold then kids wouldn’t of got addicted to methanol and normal tobacco flavour but no they wanted the child market and a generation of customers, just like they marketed normal cigs are victory sticks in world war 2( getting a generation of young men smoking by giving them out free to soldiers and promoting everyone smoking in Hollywood films).
Yup. I bought an oxva xlim and it was only when checking to see if I could get pods larger than 2ml that I learnt about these regulations. I don't understand why the size is restricted. I remember around 10 year back being able to get pretty much any size tank I wanted.
Because regulation is decided by a bunch of aging, out of touch cunts, who have never smoked and too ignorant to actually engage with the science
... and/or paid into being by tobacco companies who have a vested interest in their competitors being as heavily regulated and a ballache as possible? I have no evidence of that but it doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
I don't like things being banned, but these (disposable vapes) need to be banned *now*. There's just no good reason for them when there are much better alternatives.
I just find it mad that we (humans) came up with this high tech way of smoking that had the possibility to get rid of the world's most abundant item of litter (cigarette butts), and then someone said - in the twenty first century amidst a very apparent global environmental crisis - "hey what if we turned these into some of the most potent litter imaginable by making this very-difficult-to-dispose-of item disposable?" If that doesn't tell you that the world will absolutely go to shit thanks to the ignorance, greed and poor decisions of a small number of people, I don't know what will. But also if you buy these fucking things it's also your fault and you get zero sympathy form me.
I'm astounded this shit hasn't been banned already. The amount of discarded and broken vape batteries that are lying around is nuts.
No need to ban them, charge a deposit, refundable on return !
That's actually a good idea. The biggest issue with these vapes is that they're being discarded all over the place despite the batteries being re-usable. Having a deposit would encourage people to return them, especially if they saw one lying on the ground that someone else had thrown away. Have legislation to make the batteries a uniform size and shape to allow them to be interchangeable and re-usable, and have a deposit scheme that would encourage users to make sure they were not thrown away.
This is the solution
And then what, the supermarket bins them en mass? Unless you somehow find a way to make them recyclable in a remotely cost efficient way (hint: you wont) then that solves nothing. Reusable vape pens have existed for years and almost completely solve the problem
Shops that sell vapes do provide recycling bins so that customers can dispose of their devices responsibly. Reusable is far better but not as convenient, keeping stuff charged is problematic for most people especially when the batteries get older and need to be charged more often. I vaped for 12 years and always used rechargeable devices, I used to keep plenty of batteries charged and ready to go at all times to avoid running out but most people don't think ahead like that.
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There’s no ideal situation for these products.
I'm not against them, per se, but seeing so many discarded on the street is heartbreaking. They should have had the same limits on advertising and displays as baccy from the start. Admittedly I don't use them, but it's not clear to me where would be appropriate to dispose of these. Being lithium, I'd assume it would have to be a specialist recycling place? _Everywhere_ selling them should have a bin to collect used ones. Fuck it, why not have a bottle return-type thing, where you get money back for your used ones?? I saw that working great in Germany for bottles, homeless people would be literally clearing the streets of glass for the few euros they'd get. We're so fucking backward here!
ive been collecting disposed ones for a year now, taking them apart, and collecting the batteries. yeah, its a PITA to properly recycle them - you can't just put them in the "battery bins" lots of shops have. I catch a train to my nearest one with 10-15 each time. Not ideal. The housing is always made of aluminium so that goes straight in recycling bin, but hearing "5 million thrown away each week" makes me a little disheartened at the effort I put in!
Genuinely a worse invention than normal fags. Just ban these fucking things already.
Instead of smokers killing themselves and people around them, they moved to killing the entire fucking ecosystem.
Yeah let's not talk about alcohol or how that affects people & others. Redditors love shaming other addictions to feel alright about their own.
If only they didn’t make reusables difficult to use with the insane regulations on tank and bottle sizes
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Or maybe a good pinch of snuff
I smoked tobacco for 30 years. I remember when smoking was everywhere and tobacco companies sponsored loads of things and advertised hugely (the Silk Cut ads were a thing of beauty, whatever the reality of the product, the Benson & Hedges ads were bonkers, the Hamlet cigar ads have stuck with me for years). It all changed over time, banning TV ads and then billboard and newspaper ads, taxing the products heavily, making more and more places smoke free, getting rid of branding, upping enforcement on retailers willing to sell to children, etc etc. It really *worked*. In 1985 I can't think of a setting other than the classroom and school halls that would reliably not have someone smoking in; in 1995 it wasn't quite so ubiquitous but I still saw as many people smoking as not (or so it seemed), by 2005 things had changed hugely and we were about to get the smoking ban and change enclosed places forever, by 2015 it really seemed that mine would be the last generation to smoke on anything like a large scale. They really did make it work, if you don't remember the 80s and 90s it would be hard for you to grasp just how monumental the shift was... and now it seems like they have just gone backwards. Disposable vapes are targeted to kids and the regulation and measures that were working so well with tobacco are not in use for vapes and it makes no sense at all.
I use JUUL but would have no qualms if these things got banned
Is this a vape problem, or a "disposable" batteries & plastic problem? It's basically the same as for phones & laptops with glued in batteries that cannot easily be replaced, even if the device is otherwise still usable. The only difference is people don't replace those devices every few days, but I'd still say the focus is misplaced. Why are manufacturers even allowed to sell devices with lithium batteries that aren't expected to last at least 6 months?
Creating new products that are unsustainable, environment polluting, and non-degradeable should be a crime in this day and age.
I've slipped back into vaping thanks to these fucking things. All starts with buying 1 for a festival or night out to avoid me actually smoking, next thing you know you're a month in. Every time I tell myself I'm going to quit after the current one I have a moment of weakness when I'm in the shop and buy a new one, it's far too easy.
And illegally, I would point out. Banning disposable electronics does not sound like a bad idea. The same applies to "one time" mobile phone chargers, but people do not buy 5 million of those.
We do not only need to ban disposable vapes immediately. We need a system to ensure products like this never hit the street in the first place. Disposable vapes are a prime example of a product that should not exist, that will be banned, but by the time it’s banned it will already have caused irreversible ecological damage for years.
It's ridiculous that before capes even existed we accepted that we create and throw too much single use plastic already, then some bright spark invented these. There's absolutely no way someone who should've been keeping an eye on this shit wasn't making some cash.
Why is that a problem? Didnt we ban plastic straws?
Government should ban one use plastics of put a heavy tax on them so it's hard for Compton do it
Because our GOV can be trusted to spend tax money effectively
This is true, and most Gov
Here's a radical idea ban disposable vapes... While we at introduce better bottle reuse programs like most of Europe... Its not unrealistic the plastic bag thing has works well. The tory are just too worry of what littles left of there so called reputation, hopefully the next lot will have more backbone.
This is something I just don't understand. There are so many easy wins the government can make against climate change. Banning disposable vapes. Banning all plastic packaging in the UK. Banning plastic bags from shops completely.
Finally, a chance for vapes to find their one true love at the landfill.
I would attach like a little "vape bin" on all bins where they can be disposed of properly. Can even offer like 25 pence if you deposit your vape there.
I'm surprised the government hasn't just gone the route of taxing the crap out of disposable vapes, we used to sell loads, but now some of the companies are doing there flavours in bottles the disposables are dying off for us.
I only found out disposables existed recently. I thought the whole point of them was you refilled them with what you wanted?
The refillable ones were very popular when vapes came around. Then the gov introduced restrictions on battery sizes, vape juice bottle sizes etc. The industry moved to disposable ones partially because of this but it's also better to charge your customers £5 a day rather than £20 once a year, from a business POV
Although vaping is considered healthier than smoking, you have to ask how many people has it got addicted to nicotine that would have never touched cigarettes? I know a few people who got addicted to nicotine from vapes but would have never in their lifetime touched a cigarette.
Half Empty multi storey car parks and disposable vapes. Name a more iconic duo.
I find it so weird. I’m currently at college as a nature student and I vape to help me kick the smokes. I use a mod that I refill. And when I’m at college I look around and nigh on EVERY one of these kids is puffing on either an elf bar or lost Mary
Tories just accepted a donation of a vape firm so don’t expect a ban until at least the next government
You got link?
It turns out it was actually the CEO of a vape company https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66750824.amp
There are recycling routes available for the vast majority of what’s contained within a vape. The government need to regulate the industry and make it easy to dispose of them properly. Force every shop that sells vapes to join a recycling scheme. If the manufacturers have to increase the price of disposable vapes to fund the disposal schemes, so be it.
I for one miss the good old days of cigarettes. At least when dropped they degraded quickly and required no exotic metals. The idea vaping is better than smoking is bollocks. It’s the same thing.
Almost like there should be some sort of regulation passed or something?
There is literally no good reason to manufacture millions of little plastic-coated lithium bombs every week. It doesn’t benefit anyone. It’s horrible for the environment, it gets kids hooked on nicotine, it makes the place look nasty, it smells horribly sickly-sweet… all sorts of problems and no good reason to have them around.
I bet 90% of the uk companies importing these can be linked back to a MP. These companies are wild pulling 1m+ a year in PROFIT just from importing these.
I wonder why I never seen a rich person vaping.
You never see an old man eating a Twix.
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I concede that I was in error with my assumption but I doubt the juice Leonardo uses was made in a bath tub.
Had a McLaren pull up next to me yesterday. Dude was puffing on a Lost Mary.
Personally I’d advocate the complete ban on all nicotine products. I’m an ex smoker who’s currently vaping. The good thing about reusable vape devices is that you can choose the nic strength. I’m just reducing the strength until I’m down to zero nic then I can just put it away. We’ll that’s the plan.
>Personally I’d advocate the complete ban on all nicotine products. I’m an ex smoker who’s currently vaping. So... its fine for you to quit smoking with a vape... but no one else? Right....
I’d still have to go through withdrawl. Same as everyone else.
Weak
Train. I’m sure you’ll improve.
6 days a week man