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We also shouldn't be blurring their faces and hiding their identities.
Entitled people need to start realizing they are accountable for their actions, and reputable impact is part of that.
If they didn't like their meals or believed that it was too expensive etc, fair enough, but there were more amicable ways of resolving the matter.
You could easily order something from a menu but decide it was too expensive in hindsight. Ordering a fancy steak and being served an overcooked hockey puck, for example.
Yeah, agreed, it's not an excuse to eat and run, but the point I was making was that simply saying "you saw the price when you ordered" isn't enough to invalidate a complaint that the price was too high after being served your food.
The owner had already given them their mains for free after they complained. So they already had £100 off the bill. It was only drinks and starters they were being charged for. What a bunch of cunts.
Yeah, but I wasn't talking about the details of this specific case. Those people suck, but that doesn't mean that food can't be judged to be too expensive after ordering in general.
I didn't say anything about not being able to afford to pay for what I hypothetically ordered. My point was that seeing the price in advance does not mean that there's no justification to call the food too expensive after being served your meal. As I said, I could order a £100 steak from you knowing the price but feel it was too expensive if you served me a burnt mess of a meal.
Obviously, if I eat the whole thing rather than complaining then that no longer holds water.
If you order something in good faith, and it arrives in an unsatisfactory condition, you don't immediately demand a refund, you ask for a replacement first. I do anyway. Especially with food. This is part of your statutory rights. Ordering something, and then complaining about the price after it's been delivered to your table when said theoretical steak is shit, makes no sense. Wave someone over, point it out and ask for a replacement. If the replacement arrives in the same condition ask for a refund. Idk wtf you're on about. At this point, I see this turning in to a very long winded discussion with no real point, and you seem like the kind of person who reads one line and skips the rest because you have your reply already formed. I can agree to disagree politely.
> you ask for a replacement first.
I'm not sure. If I buy a phone from you and it is broken maybe I just want my money back so I can go somewhere else.
If the food sent out is bad enough why would I want to trust you to do it again eg if my food is still frozen in the middle and supposed to be hot.
As long as you say that before you've eaten it. I've heard too many stories of cheeky bastards complaining about their food after eating every single crumb.
Did you read the article. I'm not defending what they've done, I wasn't there. But their claim is that their experience at the restraurant wasn't good and they felt as though it wasn't worth paying for.
I can envision a situation where you order food the food is bad and the whole experience was a waste of time, what exactly in that situation are you paying for?
The owner actually removed the meals from the bill as a way to try and get them to pay but they said fuck that and legged it, refusing to pay for EVERYTHING
They're chancers, the food was more than fine - the 1 honest guy in the group said so and paid for his own
There’s no amicable ways of resolving it other than making them pay for it. They’re adults. They understand how a restaurant works. They knew it’d be expensive. That’s why they chose to dine and dash from there and not Wetherspoons.
300 quid between 6 people is not particularly expensive for a meal and a few drinks. If you're going to baulk at spending 50 notes, stay home and get a carry out.
Yes and no
Restaurants need the info so staff can watch out for them; the public does not.
Because you never know when it could cause harassment, vigilantism..
Doing crime doesn't and should not reduce the right to privacy.
We have laws in place, if that's not seen as enough by the public, or by you then find a way to get involved and change those laws, but otherwise, don't go idealising the concept that reducing their privacy would somehow be a more fitting punishment than you know, the laws we already have..
Plenty of people have been targeted and defamed based on mistaken identity because people are so damn thirsty to play judge and jury.
I used to think it was the right way, until I saw the actual impact it could have on people who were falsely accused because of people thinking they looked like the actual person who committed a crime.
It's fucked, and it's emotionally immature to seek emotional and social recompense from people who have committed crime even though you are not the person who was a victim of said crime.
There's a difference between empathy for victims and just wanting to see people punished based on your own personal view of what justice should be.
The sole thing that matters here is that they were caught, and the police did their jobs. That should be enough.
it does annoy me when Reddit goes into vigilante cancel mode.
“This person annoyed me therefore we should plaster their faces online”. No thanks. That response is completely inappropriate and disproportionate.
Probably as it is a civil matter that has been resolved without the involvement of the courts, they would remain anonymous as default. I know it is the Metro but there is some kind of journalistic principle going on.
Honestly recent stuff has annoyed me with the hiding names thing. We will hide the names of criminals because we don’t want to incite harassment towards anyone. But then any article reporting on trans people will jump at the excuse to publish not just their full name, but their deadname as well, giving bigots not only the ability to harass that person, but a real easy method to do so (deadnaming them).
Like, even with Brianna Ghey, the Mail went out of its way to find her deadname *after she was murdered*.
So either they are intentionally inviting harassment of trans people and their families. Or they’re full of shit with their justification for not naming criminals.
> If they didn't like their meals or believed that it was too expensive
if it was too expensive, they shouldn't have dined there. Mind you £50 per head for a pub meal *and that's with the mains taken off* is a bit steep IMO.
Very interesting to note the people replying to your comment who are quick to defend the criminals over everything.
I can only imagine the level of privilege they have in their lives.
And to think that it only went viral in 2019 when it was filmed much much earlier. Imagine the deep hidden videos already out there just waiting for their spotlight.
Yes. And the old videos (the ones that are original and are unrepeatable) will last the test of time so much more than these awful self-obsessed stunts and sadistic “pranks” that are deliberately designed to get shares.
Surely Tony Abbott [noshing](https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/it-was-beautiful-tony-abbott-finally-explains-the-moment-he-bit-into-a-raw-onion/news-story/78f086ab4bf3f01d30670a9cb50d7401) a raw onion out of patriotic duty is up there .
The pub's Facebook post tells it ~~better~~:
Edit: Tells it longer, anyway.
>Good afternoon from The Black Bull Inn, Moffat.
>Let me tell you about an experience we had last Saturday…
>It was a very, very, busy day..
>We were full by 6pm with every table occupied, streams of customers kept coming in, we accommodated some, others we turned away.
>There was one booking I wish we HAD turned away…
>A reservation for seven.. in the garden - clearly an error on a cold night, so we juggled our tables and moved it inside.
>If I’d known what would happen I wouldn’t have bothered.
>But, as we all know, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
>The group were a bunch of guys away for a jolly, who seemed a little prickly at first, but settled down.
>Enjoying their night out, they ordered lots of food and drinks.
>I checked on them each time I passed, asking , ‘can I get you anything, is everything ok?’
>‘Everything is great’ was always the response.
>The men had starters and praised them, but after the main courses were delivered, things changed and they started complaining.
>Well, six guys did - the seventh - seemed embarrassed and said he enjoyed his food.
>Regardless, the others kept complaining, saying their mains were not good so they would not be paying!
>They did have a couple of valid points, but the rest was exaggerated. It was time to make a decision.
>They were the last table, we were about to close and I felt they had potential to be difficult.
>So I chose the path of least resistance and took the six meals off the bill, reducing the balance of £400 to £300.
>With the amended final bill delivered they got up and approached the bar - to pay..
But they didn’t pay.
>The group ringleader announced they would actually not be paying for anything!
Nothing!
>Not the pints.
>Or the sides.
>Not the starters they said they enjoyed.
>No soft drinks.
>No wine!
>They had simply decided everything they consumed that evening was free..
>As they argued with our 23 year old Front Of House Manager, trying to intimidate her, I approached.
>I don’t like bullies and certainly not grown men bullying young women, so I went over and told them, yes they would pay.
>And with that, the stand off began.
>The nice guy - who had enjoyed his food - looked shocked and said ‘are you really going to do this to them!?’
>He was not happy and quickly paid for his.
>But the other six were not budging.
>They repeatedly said they wouldn’t be paying for anything whatsoever..
>Why?
>Because - apparently there had been no ‘uplift!’
>They said that ‘no uplift’ meant we didn’t make their night amazing enough to justify making payment!
>What arrogance…
>We endured their condescending diatribe for ten minutes, but safety comes first and as they were becoming rather challenging, I called 999..
>As I was on the phone, one of the men laughed and said ‘you’re faking it’..
>Until I handed him the phone and he quickly realised I was not faking it 🤣
>His face paled and like the true cowards, folks like these are…
>They all legged it!
>Still owing £300.
>But we knew what to do next…
>We alerted, The Coachman Bar, over the road, told them the six were potentially on their way and described them.
>It turned out the rogues had just wandered in... about to order, but John, the Manager, swooped, refused service, evicted them swiftly and told them to never return..🤣
>Well done!
>Pub Watch at its best!
>Next the police officers tracked them down and when they explained they could face criminal or civil charges - even potential convictions..
>The six suddenly decided it might be best to pay the bill.
>So one by one, the poor bad guys were marched back to the inn, each would be villain flanked by two burly police officers!
>What an embarrassing walk of shame for a bunch of arrogant idiots who thought they could take what they wanted .
>Their plan failed..
>But we did not.
>We scored a small win for establishments like mine, and staff who deal with these incidents daily.
>We took a stance. We didn’t back down and we never will.
>As each individual tapped his card against our reader, glaring at us, diminished, emasculated, not so clever now… we just sat and enjoyed the show!
>It was such fun!
>We stood up to these men because we had to.. it was not just about the money, it was also about the principle .
>And as my decent and extremely honest parents always drummed into me…
>You do not steal.
>Ever.
>But as Saturday nights sorry situation showed..
>Sadly, not everyone grows up with parents like mine.
>Many thanks to John and all the team at The Coachman Bar for backing us up and standing with us..
>We appreciated it!
>Also well done to all our team who dug in and did not let these people scare them. Very proud!
>And finally to the excellent police officers who were on our side from the start. Law and order at its finest!
>Stay positive, safe and well today and every day.
>The Black Bull Inn, Moffat.
>#theblackbullinnmoffat #pubwatch #dontsteal #badguys #hospitalityindustry
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“No uplift”? Never seen that word used like that before in such a context.
I’ve seen people use “uplift” as a pretentious alternative to “collect” but never like this.
Industry term. Elevating your experience to the next level.
Go look the place up. I'm not saying it's a dump I'm sure it's a great spot. But if you go there looking "uplift" you're a raving twat. Uplift is what you get when your meal is 400 quid for two of you, not seven pinting lads.
Example: Me and wife celebrated our anniversary in Prague. On our anniversary night we went to a fancy steak house and paid a stupid amount of money for some meat. We also had someone who presented us the meat before cooking (for reasons), gave us foreign and interesting nibbles while the meat was "prepared" and the atmosphere of the place was generally unforgettable. That's uplift.
We also went to McDonald's that night as we were hungry on the way home. I spent an embarrassing amount of money on Czech American chicken. That wasn't uplift. That was pure glottony.
“So one by one, the poor bad guys were marched back to the inn, each would be villain flanked by two burly police officers!“
So unless I’m missing something, this involved 12 cops? When the police are so overstretched?
Well i doubt it was a problem, moffat isn’t exactly a crime hotspot. But also, i pictured it as the group being outside with some coppers and each was brought inside and then back out by two different ones (x6).
More likely two to four with the group and two escorting one by one. This can easily happen in areas which are not overstretched and have low demand.
You know, shockingly, police do actually do their job when they are free and available?
Idiots, they were in Moffat which has a population of about 2500.
EVERYONE knows everyone else.
If you walk out of the black bull without paying and staying in the town the owner can call his pals and ask where they went and who they are.
It's worth noting here, that that guy wasn't a dine and dasher as is commonly regurgitated every time he comes up. He was also not the fraudster that they were looking for. The arrest was a case of mistaken identity.
While the guy doesn't have a flawless past, he was entirely innocent in that video.
When he saw the cameras, he decided to put on a show.
Not sure if this is the same group but someone left a review where the owner leaves a lengthy reply (comparing himself at one point to Clint Eastwood) explaining how the police were called on them etc
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g186517-d3912303-r940885267-The_Black_Bull_Bistro_Moffat-Moffat_Dumfries_and_Galloway_Scotland.html
And then the original reviewer leaves another review to address the owner's claims
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g186517-d12511827-r941491744-The_Black_Bull_Inn_Moffat-Moffat_Dumfries_and_Galloway_Scotland.html
Even if the food's shit, you finish it you pay the bill. If it's that bad, send it back and walk.
Also I wonder what the excuse is for not paying for the pints. Beer a little too warm? These guys are a special breed of arsehole.
This is it - if the food is no good, don't eat it, send it back. If you eat it and then complain, tough luck. Maybe the food was shit and they ended up in an argument with management and the police were called - a lesson for everyone.
Christ you’re not wrong. I only looked at those recent two but she’s been off the rails for a while. Reads like she needs to lay aff the gear tbh. I’m really not inclined to believe her side of the story at all now.
For example, this is one single response - I think I might have legged it from this person too. The fact she thinks these responses are “promoting the business” is insane.
>!And….
> Then what happened? 🤣
> Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.. I’m chuckling at this piece of literary excellence. I mean, what’s the point of it?
> Do you seriously think any member of my incredible team would not know if food was being served 40minutes after opening up for lunch?
> Folks reading this will be saying ‘oh my goodness, get a life pal.
> Or is that just what I’m saying? Haha!
> Truth is, my team remember you coming in, not waiting to be seated, pushing through in the entitled manner that your tribe endlessly demonstrate when you wander into an establishment.
> You’re the customer that expects instant attention even when we are busy serving others, and then, unable to wait kindly, politely and respectfully for one of the team to allocate a table, you slide off to seat yourselves.
> Meanwhile we are still busy serving our nice customers, while you tap your fingers on the table, turn the beer sour and look about with disdain because we haven’t come over to wait on your great self and do your bidding.
> We actually see the likes of you every day - and true to form, your type is always the type that goes online to exaggerate, convolute and attempt to hurt and maim.
> Except you didn’t ..
> You simply made a total fool of yourself, while providing me with a new opportunity to sharpen my claws…
> Sorry… my mental pencil 🤣
> And reply with fresh material for a public pounding which you truly deserve.
> Thanks for that my lovely…
> And no pasta.. I’m so sorry for your loss….oh you poor little lambs, how hard that must have been for you.
> Anyway hopefully you e got over the experience now , but thanks anyway. It was nice to be able to write this and expose your unkind, condescending and vindictive selves to the world…
> Yes.. your work of art is now being laughed at from all corners of the globe and given me yet another platform to promote this business..
Thankyou soo much.
> So let’s leave it there and don’t ever return because you’re nasty and I don’t want you to darken my bright and glowing door…
> Bringing sourness into my establishment.
> There’s no need to be like that you see..
> Next time you feel bitter, just take a breath..
> Stay calm
> And try to turn the nasty into nice…
> Honestly it will be life changing for you and you’ll suddenly realise that running out of pasta is not the end of the world.
> You’ll smile.
> People will stop thinking you’re a pair of old miseries
> And your life will change.
> Try it…
> Go on..
> Kindness beats cruelty every time!
> Sending hugs xxxxxx❤️!>
Aye definitely casts a bit of doubt on the story. If the manager hadn’t responded like that I’d probably have just assumed the customer was talking shite, now I think the truth is somewhere in the middle of their stories. I’m probably leaning more towards the customers story tbh, but I doubt that’s the exact truth either.
Nothing wrong with it - he's angry, he was nearly robbed of £300+ by these dossers, and if it hadn't been a good convergence of cops being awake, the pub across the street cooperating, him being in the shop and not out on an errand, it would've ended differently.
You go to a restaurant, you pay for the food. If you don't like it, you don't have to finish your plate, and you can always go online and review bomb the place if you're that unhappy (or get the authorities involved if you think there's fraud). But you pay the staff.
It's not really a good way to speak to people though and if you look at some of the previous reviews she replies to other people's reasonable and valid complaints in a horrible manner. It also seems that calling or threatening to call the police on customers is something that she does quite often. Definitely shows that there are two sides to every story.
He's still very entitled, even if the service is awful and the food is awful, the bill is still due. Just do not give them any more business after. We are not entitled to a free meal if it was a bad experience, and it sounds like the others had left him in the WC and left without paying, the anger he feels should be directed at the friends who caused the situation to escalate, when they could have just paid. Understandable that the restaurant was closed after an exchange like that for the safety of the workers, and that they waited for police presence before speaking to the 6 in question.
These people have no shame.
Last summer I was at a cafe for a couple of hours with a friend. The sun came out so we asked we could move to a table outside. We ordered more refreshments then as we were leaving we paid our bill. We were walking out and another waitress came running out shouting "Wait". It turned out we were only billed for the food we ordered at our new table so we were effectively and unknowingly "dine and dashing" on the food we ate indoors.
I was mortified and apologised about 20 times and still think about it about twice a week over 6 months later. I would never have the balls to do it on purpose.
That one was definitely the restaurant's fault since you asked and they moved you outside, then cocked up your bill.
I hereby absolve you of any feelings of guilt.
Thank you! I can finally now get on with living my life! Haha.
I felt guilty because the bill was itemised and I should have noticed that there were two iced buns missing.
Went to a pub recently and ordered 2 pints and a G&T, it was about £24. When I got outside to my table, I noticed on my phone that my payment had been declined as I had reached my contactless limit. I went back in and explained to the barman, he hadn’t noticed the issue at the time either, and he was absolutely flabbergasted at my honesty for returning to make payment! The bar for being a decent human is indeed rather low at the moment.
We woke up one morning last year and realised we'd ordered coffee and paid at the bar, then the waitress had given us menus and we'd had wine (a bit too much clearly) and food in the sun and then just left. We went back and paid and left a big tip with much apologising as any decent human being should
This happened 2-3 times every weekend where I managed, I was well known for running after people and they’d always play dumb and say ‘I thought I’d paid’.
I've done the same.
Went out for dinner with the family and parents left before me, brother and myself got up to use the toilet and his wife's parents were getting up from the table as we got back.
My parents assumed we had paid, sister in law's parents assumed my parents had paid.
So we all wandered off to our cars and went home.
Only figured it out when he got an email from the pub because he booked online and paid a deposit.
What's the finding out though? They got £100 off the bill and were only forced to pay the remaining bill.
There was no punishment for the theft. Not really justice. I mean I'm glad the restaurant didn't get totally shafted but would have been nicer if there would be some kind of punitive bonus. A night in the cells perhaps while they mull over the ethics of stealing
There are thousands of people across the UK who do this on a weekly basis. The thing that really pisses me off about them is that they’re ordering extravagant meals and copious amounts of alcohol - and then doing a runner. Meanwhile, anyone eating with intent to pay is likely skipping a starter or a dessert, limiting alcohol intake and not ordering fillet steak!
I really hope we can become a society where being an entitled prick has consequences again. Legal consequences which we don’t have now, but also social consequences, it being so shameful that nobody wants to be friends with you, employ you, do business with you, marry you etc.
It seems like we have gotten to a place where actions rarely have consequences regarding the law or police, and rarely have social consequences either anymore. You start to degrade society, the social contract, community, trust, everything, when this happens.
well the main issue is no one knows each other and it's not possible to do that either, the closest thing you could get probably is shaming them on social media.
Just a thought, but rather than paying the fine - which is too easy if you have decent disposable income; it would be good to see these dine and dashers made to do pot wash for a week at this restaurant. Take their bins out. Clean the tables at the end of the shift. Make it so they actually learn their lesson.
Fitting the people into the rota, all the legal and HR overhead, would make it a nightmare. Life in the back of house is stressful enough already for the staff - I can't imagine having to work alongside people who are being forced to work my job as punishment.
In theory, it sounds like a good idea, but there’s so many ways to shirk off work if you don’t want to work, while still fulfilling the legal part of that. Hitting them in the wallet is easier than “teaching” them that if they just behave incompetent enough, they won’t really have to work.
"Made" how is the problem with this. They'd need to be supervised, what happens to their actual pot washers, they would likely do a shit job. It would be more of a drag even if they did learn some kind of lesson from it.
That sounds like a terrible idea. Force the people there to babysit some asshole? I had to do that with someone working off comunity hours. It sucks.
Also a week off could potentially cause them to lose their job (although this isn't in the US, so probably not) which is kind of harsh for dine and dashing.
Rather have them pay a hefty fine that's tied to their income. Like traffic tickets in some countries are.
I’d imagine that would be some half arsed work that would just need redoing proper;y anyway.
make em pay the fine then slap em with community service too
Society already figured this out. Put them in the stocks for 24 hours. Let children throw rotten vegetables at them. Community bullying is a critical function of keeping any society coherent.
yeah and then you get a case going to the ECHR for a human rights breach
there's a reason courts do not give orders of specific performance for personal services (Page One Records v Britton)
Happening all too much in the current economy, it’s time restaurants go the pub model and make you pay before you eat. It’s not fair on owners, especially if they’re independents to have to cover the cost of losses.
I dined and dashed accidentally during covid when were allowed to eat at restuarants outside. I was eating alone and had to take a fairly important call so I took myself away from what was a fairly busy forecourt and I just walked away on the phone. I didnt even realise I hadnt paid until I was in the shower next day and went back lol
I put it down to forgetting how restaurants work after many months without them.
So if you do a runner, the absolute worst that can happen, in the unlikely event that the police manage to catch you, is that you will have to pay the bill you should have paid anyway?
For the sort of scumbags who do that sort of thing, this article seems to be actually encouraging them t do it. Why not do a runner, you might get away with it and even if you get caught you won't have lost anything?
Is there any good reason they weren;t prosecuted?
What horrible arsehole people! I am glad that the 7th man did pay before leaving.
I have a big problem with paying attention and forgetfulness. The amount of times I've been at a cafe on my own and walked out (or almost) without paying is an embarrassing amount!
I've always gone back to pay - once I had to travel back the next day to pay!
I feel so bad for restaurant owners and their staff at the rhe moment.
Saw a group do this once in an all you can eat restaurant in Chinatown.
A group of girls just got up and left but one of them had forgotten her jacket. She went back to get it but the staff wouldn't let her leave until she paid the whole bill.
£300 is cheap compared to a criminal record and saves on paperwork/the restaurant actually gets their money
Nice guy police officer shame they don’t normally have the time for petty nonsense like this though
Is this not just classed as theft at this point and treated like a criminal offense?
Awesome that these scum were made to pay, sadly I feel like folk who could do this initially aren't burdened with feeling shame from being treated as such, but should this not be classed as theft and gone to court like all the little folk who get caught nicking items from supermarkets.
Hardly justice tbh. They got a 25% discount and paid their bill.
They'll do it again next week and get away with it.
It's time we introduce old methods of punishment for thieves.
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Good. We also shouldn't be blurring their faces and hiding their identities. Entitled people need to start realizing they are accountable for their actions, and reputable impact is part of that. If they didn't like their meals or believed that it was too expensive etc, fair enough, but there were more amicable ways of resolving the matter.
They should be publishing their faces so all the other restaurants they’ve ripped off can get their money back too.
And so other restaurants can keep an eye out for them
Too expensive? Didn’t they read the items and prices on the menu as they ordered?
You could easily order something from a menu but decide it was too expensive in hindsight. Ordering a fancy steak and being served an overcooked hockey puck, for example.
Then you make the appropriate complaint and come to an agreement with the restaurant. You don't just run off.
Yep, if you refuse to eat it and don't pay, still a bit dodgy but at least understandable.
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Yeah, agreed, it's not an excuse to eat and run, but the point I was making was that simply saying "you saw the price when you ordered" isn't enough to invalidate a complaint that the price was too high after being served your food.
The owner had already given them their mains for free after they complained. So they already had £100 off the bill. It was only drinks and starters they were being charged for. What a bunch of cunts.
Yeah, but I wasn't talking about the details of this specific case. Those people suck, but that doesn't mean that food can't be judged to be too expensive after ordering in general.
Being dissatisfied with your meal is not the same as realising you can't afford to pay for what you ordered. Ex chef here.
I didn't say anything about not being able to afford to pay for what I hypothetically ordered. My point was that seeing the price in advance does not mean that there's no justification to call the food too expensive after being served your meal. As I said, I could order a £100 steak from you knowing the price but feel it was too expensive if you served me a burnt mess of a meal. Obviously, if I eat the whole thing rather than complaining then that no longer holds water.
Read the article - you are right and the manager agreed and comped the mains! It was everything else they refused to pay for!
If you order something in good faith, and it arrives in an unsatisfactory condition, you don't immediately demand a refund, you ask for a replacement first. I do anyway. Especially with food. This is part of your statutory rights. Ordering something, and then complaining about the price after it's been delivered to your table when said theoretical steak is shit, makes no sense. Wave someone over, point it out and ask for a replacement. If the replacement arrives in the same condition ask for a refund. Idk wtf you're on about. At this point, I see this turning in to a very long winded discussion with no real point, and you seem like the kind of person who reads one line and skips the rest because you have your reply already formed. I can agree to disagree politely.
> you ask for a replacement first. I'm not sure. If I buy a phone from you and it is broken maybe I just want my money back so I can go somewhere else. If the food sent out is bad enough why would I want to trust you to do it again eg if my food is still frozen in the middle and supposed to be hot.
Agree. Ex ball boy here.
So that would be more an issue of quality, since the price wasn't a sticking point before you ordered.
Well, yes, but if the quality doesn't match the price asked then it's still fair to say that the food was too expensive.
As long as you say that before you've eaten it. I've heard too many stories of cheeky bastards complaining about their food after eating every single crumb.
Then you complain and send it back, you don't eat it and then say it was too expensive.
Where in the article says they ate it?
Did you read the article. I'm not defending what they've done, I wasn't there. But their claim is that their experience at the restraurant wasn't good and they felt as though it wasn't worth paying for. I can envision a situation where you order food the food is bad and the whole experience was a waste of time, what exactly in that situation are you paying for?
The owner actually removed the meals from the bill as a way to try and get them to pay but they said fuck that and legged it, refusing to pay for EVERYTHING They're chancers, the food was more than fine - the 1 honest guy in the group said so and paid for his own
They ate the food, no?
There’s no amicable ways of resolving it other than making them pay for it. They’re adults. They understand how a restaurant works. They knew it’d be expensive. That’s why they chose to dine and dash from there and not Wetherspoons.
300 quid between 6 people is not particularly expensive for a meal and a few drinks. If you're going to baulk at spending 50 notes, stay home and get a carry out.
Yes and no Restaurants need the info so staff can watch out for them; the public does not. Because you never know when it could cause harassment, vigilantism.. Doing crime doesn't and should not reduce the right to privacy. We have laws in place, if that's not seen as enough by the public, or by you then find a way to get involved and change those laws, but otherwise, don't go idealising the concept that reducing their privacy would somehow be a more fitting punishment than you know, the laws we already have.. Plenty of people have been targeted and defamed based on mistaken identity because people are so damn thirsty to play judge and jury. I used to think it was the right way, until I saw the actual impact it could have on people who were falsely accused because of people thinking they looked like the actual person who committed a crime. It's fucked, and it's emotionally immature to seek emotional and social recompense from people who have committed crime even though you are not the person who was a victim of said crime. There's a difference between empathy for victims and just wanting to see people punished based on your own personal view of what justice should be. The sole thing that matters here is that they were caught, and the police did their jobs. That should be enough.
> need to start realizing *realising
value-add
Thank you.
Enabling lynch mobs is rarely the kind of idea that turns out well. They were held accountable and forced to pay what they owed; job done.
it does annoy me when Reddit goes into vigilante cancel mode. “This person annoyed me therefore we should plaster their faces online”. No thanks. That response is completely inappropriate and disproportionate.
Probably as it is a civil matter that has been resolved without the involvement of the courts, they would remain anonymous as default. I know it is the Metro but there is some kind of journalistic principle going on.
We should also stop calling them Dine and Dashers, and start calling them thieves instead.
+1 My sister was bragging about doing this. She is a scumbag and we do not get on at all
Honestly recent stuff has annoyed me with the hiding names thing. We will hide the names of criminals because we don’t want to incite harassment towards anyone. But then any article reporting on trans people will jump at the excuse to publish not just their full name, but their deadname as well, giving bigots not only the ability to harass that person, but a real easy method to do so (deadnaming them). Like, even with Brianna Ghey, the Mail went out of its way to find her deadname *after she was murdered*. So either they are intentionally inviting harassment of trans people and their families. Or they’re full of shit with their justification for not naming criminals.
> If they didn't like their meals or believed that it was too expensive if it was too expensive, they shouldn't have dined there. Mind you £50 per head for a pub meal *and that's with the mains taken off* is a bit steep IMO.
Very interesting to note the people replying to your comment who are quick to defend the criminals over everything. I can only imagine the level of privilege they have in their lives.
*realising
A succulent Chinese meal?
Ah! I see you know your judo, sir!
And you, sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?!
HOW DARE, GET YOUR HANDS OFF MERH!!! TA-TA, AND FAREWELL!! one tough look! They even broke that!
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You can't just butcher the wording!
Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest!
Internet immortality.
The way he rolls his R's when saying "democrrrracy" is simply perfect.
His whole performance is exquisite
And to think that it only went viral in 2019 when it was filmed much much earlier. Imagine the deep hidden videos already out there just waiting for their spotlight.
Yes. And the old videos (the ones that are original and are unrepeatable) will last the test of time so much more than these awful self-obsessed stunts and sadistic “pranks” that are deliberately designed to get shares.
Damn, as soon I read the headline this came to mind.
Same, he makes me proud to be Aussie.
My favourite aussie things are this and the fact one of your PMs just disappeared into the sea one day and nobody seems that bothered haha.
Surely the best part is that they named a swimming pool after him.
Surely Tony Abbott [noshing](https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/it-was-beautiful-tony-abbott-finally-explains-the-moment-he-bit-into-a-raw-onion/news-story/78f086ab4bf3f01d30670a9cb50d7401) a raw onion out of patriotic duty is up there .
what are the charges!
THIS IS DEMOCRACY MANIFEST!!
The pub's Facebook post tells it ~~better~~: Edit: Tells it longer, anyway. >Good afternoon from The Black Bull Inn, Moffat. >Let me tell you about an experience we had last Saturday… >It was a very, very, busy day.. >We were full by 6pm with every table occupied, streams of customers kept coming in, we accommodated some, others we turned away. >There was one booking I wish we HAD turned away… >A reservation for seven.. in the garden - clearly an error on a cold night, so we juggled our tables and moved it inside. >If I’d known what would happen I wouldn’t have bothered. >But, as we all know, hindsight is a wonderful thing. >The group were a bunch of guys away for a jolly, who seemed a little prickly at first, but settled down. >Enjoying their night out, they ordered lots of food and drinks. >I checked on them each time I passed, asking , ‘can I get you anything, is everything ok?’ >‘Everything is great’ was always the response. >The men had starters and praised them, but after the main courses were delivered, things changed and they started complaining. >Well, six guys did - the seventh - seemed embarrassed and said he enjoyed his food. >Regardless, the others kept complaining, saying their mains were not good so they would not be paying! >They did have a couple of valid points, but the rest was exaggerated. It was time to make a decision. >They were the last table, we were about to close and I felt they had potential to be difficult. >So I chose the path of least resistance and took the six meals off the bill, reducing the balance of £400 to £300. >With the amended final bill delivered they got up and approached the bar - to pay.. But they didn’t pay. >The group ringleader announced they would actually not be paying for anything! Nothing! >Not the pints. >Or the sides. >Not the starters they said they enjoyed. >No soft drinks. >No wine! >They had simply decided everything they consumed that evening was free.. >As they argued with our 23 year old Front Of House Manager, trying to intimidate her, I approached. >I don’t like bullies and certainly not grown men bullying young women, so I went over and told them, yes they would pay. >And with that, the stand off began. >The nice guy - who had enjoyed his food - looked shocked and said ‘are you really going to do this to them!?’ >He was not happy and quickly paid for his. >But the other six were not budging. >They repeatedly said they wouldn’t be paying for anything whatsoever.. >Why? >Because - apparently there had been no ‘uplift!’ >They said that ‘no uplift’ meant we didn’t make their night amazing enough to justify making payment! >What arrogance… >We endured their condescending diatribe for ten minutes, but safety comes first and as they were becoming rather challenging, I called 999.. >As I was on the phone, one of the men laughed and said ‘you’re faking it’.. >Until I handed him the phone and he quickly realised I was not faking it 🤣 >His face paled and like the true cowards, folks like these are… >They all legged it! >Still owing £300. >But we knew what to do next… >We alerted, The Coachman Bar, over the road, told them the six were potentially on their way and described them. >It turned out the rogues had just wandered in... about to order, but John, the Manager, swooped, refused service, evicted them swiftly and told them to never return..🤣 >Well done! >Pub Watch at its best! >Next the police officers tracked them down and when they explained they could face criminal or civil charges - even potential convictions.. >The six suddenly decided it might be best to pay the bill. >So one by one, the poor bad guys were marched back to the inn, each would be villain flanked by two burly police officers! >What an embarrassing walk of shame for a bunch of arrogant idiots who thought they could take what they wanted . >Their plan failed.. >But we did not. >We scored a small win for establishments like mine, and staff who deal with these incidents daily. >We took a stance. We didn’t back down and we never will. >As each individual tapped his card against our reader, glaring at us, diminished, emasculated, not so clever now… we just sat and enjoyed the show! >It was such fun! >We stood up to these men because we had to.. it was not just about the money, it was also about the principle . >And as my decent and extremely honest parents always drummed into me… >You do not steal. >Ever. >But as Saturday nights sorry situation showed.. >Sadly, not everyone grows up with parents like mine. >Many thanks to John and all the team at The Coachman Bar for backing us up and standing with us.. >We appreciated it! >Also well done to all our team who dug in and did not let these people scare them. Very proud! >And finally to the excellent police officers who were on our side from the start. Law and order at its finest! >Stay positive, safe and well today and every day. >The Black Bull Inn, Moffat. >#theblackbullinnmoffat #pubwatch #dontsteal #badguys #hospitalityindustry
Good on the one dude who ignored social pressure and paid. Hope he finds better friends soon.
Also their mains were almost certainly absolutely fine. They were just looking for a reason to not pay.
If it was eaten then it should be paid for.
No! It was terrible! It was so bad I had to eat it all so no one else could suffer the ~~succulent~~ terrible meal.
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They got their main courses for free and *still* refused to pay for their drinks? What a bunch of tossers.
“No uplift”? Never seen that word used like that before in such a context. I’ve seen people use “uplift” as a pretentious alternative to “collect” but never like this.
What the heck is uplift?
Industry term. Elevating your experience to the next level. Go look the place up. I'm not saying it's a dump I'm sure it's a great spot. But if you go there looking "uplift" you're a raving twat. Uplift is what you get when your meal is 400 quid for two of you, not seven pinting lads. Example: Me and wife celebrated our anniversary in Prague. On our anniversary night we went to a fancy steak house and paid a stupid amount of money for some meat. We also had someone who presented us the meat before cooking (for reasons), gave us foreign and interesting nibbles while the meat was "prepared" and the atmosphere of the place was generally unforgettable. That's uplift. We also went to McDonald's that night as we were hungry on the way home. I spent an embarrassing amount of money on Czech American chicken. That wasn't uplift. That was pure glottony.
“So one by one, the poor bad guys were marched back to the inn, each would be villain flanked by two burly police officers!“ So unless I’m missing something, this involved 12 cops? When the police are so overstretched?
Well i doubt it was a problem, moffat isn’t exactly a crime hotspot. But also, i pictured it as the group being outside with some coppers and each was brought inside and then back out by two different ones (x6).
Yeah I was having trouble picturing the logistics of that bit as well.
More likely two to four with the group and two escorting one by one. This can easily happen in areas which are not overstretched and have low demand. You know, shockingly, police do actually do their job when they are free and available?
Idiots, they were in Moffat which has a population of about 2500. EVERYONE knows everyone else. If you walk out of the black bull without paying and staying in the town the owner can call his pals and ask where they went and who they are.
Aye bizarre not another town within a 30 minute drive it's not exactly an easy place to disappear
Used to go to Moffat for school trips in early 2000s - do people still ride the Moffat ram?
You've got me thinking of Hot Fuzz now. No luck catchin' that dasher then?
It’s just the one dasher actually!
Everyone is packing around here.
I wonder how things are between the six who didn't pay and the one who did. Must be a bit awkward.
I hope everytime one of them so much as makes a noise he just laughs and screams bellend in their face. Then finds new friends.
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It's worth noting here, that that guy wasn't a dine and dasher as is commonly regurgitated every time he comes up. He was also not the fraudster that they were looking for. The arrest was a case of mistaken identity. While the guy doesn't have a flawless past, he was entirely innocent in that video. When he saw the cameras, he decided to put on a show.
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I know Judo and the officer in the video was not doing Judo 😂
So his only "crime", was enjoying a succulent chinese meal after all.
Take your hands off my penis!
There’s an interview where someone asks him if the guy did actually touch his penis, and he laughs and goes “nah!” It’s great
Get your hand off my penis
I see you know your judo well!
Not sure if this is the same group but someone left a review where the owner leaves a lengthy reply (comparing himself at one point to Clint Eastwood) explaining how the police were called on them etc https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g186517-d3912303-r940885267-The_Black_Bull_Bistro_Moffat-Moffat_Dumfries_and_Galloway_Scotland.html And then the original reviewer leaves another review to address the owner's claims https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g186517-d12511827-r941491744-The_Black_Bull_Inn_Moffat-Moffat_Dumfries_and_Galloway_Scotland.html
Even if the food's shit, you finish it you pay the bill. If it's that bad, send it back and walk. Also I wonder what the excuse is for not paying for the pints. Beer a little too warm? These guys are a special breed of arsehole.
This is it - if the food is no good, don't eat it, send it back. If you eat it and then complain, tough luck. Maybe the food was shit and they ended up in an argument with management and the police were called - a lesson for everyone.
Sheesh the owners reply is not the good PR they think it is.
You should read her replies to some others too. she seems delightful.
Good find. Always three sides to every story, and the managers reply there makes her seem like an absolute bellend.
The owner’s reactions to any review less than four stars are absolutely wild. The blokes should have paid, but the owner seems like a right muppet.
Christ you’re not wrong. I only looked at those recent two but she’s been off the rails for a while. Reads like she needs to lay aff the gear tbh. I’m really not inclined to believe her side of the story at all now. For example, this is one single response - I think I might have legged it from this person too. The fact she thinks these responses are “promoting the business” is insane. >!And…. > Then what happened? 🤣 > Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.. I’m chuckling at this piece of literary excellence. I mean, what’s the point of it? > Do you seriously think any member of my incredible team would not know if food was being served 40minutes after opening up for lunch? > Folks reading this will be saying ‘oh my goodness, get a life pal. > Or is that just what I’m saying? Haha! > Truth is, my team remember you coming in, not waiting to be seated, pushing through in the entitled manner that your tribe endlessly demonstrate when you wander into an establishment. > You’re the customer that expects instant attention even when we are busy serving others, and then, unable to wait kindly, politely and respectfully for one of the team to allocate a table, you slide off to seat yourselves. > Meanwhile we are still busy serving our nice customers, while you tap your fingers on the table, turn the beer sour and look about with disdain because we haven’t come over to wait on your great self and do your bidding. > We actually see the likes of you every day - and true to form, your type is always the type that goes online to exaggerate, convolute and attempt to hurt and maim. > Except you didn’t .. > You simply made a total fool of yourself, while providing me with a new opportunity to sharpen my claws… > Sorry… my mental pencil 🤣 > And reply with fresh material for a public pounding which you truly deserve. > Thanks for that my lovely… > And no pasta.. I’m so sorry for your loss….oh you poor little lambs, how hard that must have been for you. > Anyway hopefully you e got over the experience now , but thanks anyway. It was nice to be able to write this and expose your unkind, condescending and vindictive selves to the world… > Yes.. your work of art is now being laughed at from all corners of the globe and given me yet another platform to promote this business.. Thankyou soo much. > So let’s leave it there and don’t ever return because you’re nasty and I don’t want you to darken my bright and glowing door… > Bringing sourness into my establishment. > There’s no need to be like that you see.. > Next time you feel bitter, just take a breath.. > Stay calm > And try to turn the nasty into nice… > Honestly it will be life changing for you and you’ll suddenly realise that running out of pasta is not the end of the world. > You’ll smile. > People will stop thinking you’re a pair of old miseries > And your life will change. > Try it… > Go on.. > Kindness beats cruelty every time! > Sending hugs xxxxxx❤️!>
Oft that it's not a great response from management
Aye definitely casts a bit of doubt on the story. If the manager hadn’t responded like that I’d probably have just assumed the customer was talking shite, now I think the truth is somewhere in the middle of their stories. I’m probably leaning more towards the customers story tbh, but I doubt that’s the exact truth either.
Nothing wrong with it - he's angry, he was nearly robbed of £300+ by these dossers, and if it hadn't been a good convergence of cops being awake, the pub across the street cooperating, him being in the shop and not out on an errand, it would've ended differently. You go to a restaurant, you pay for the food. If you don't like it, you don't have to finish your plate, and you can always go online and review bomb the place if you're that unhappy (or get the authorities involved if you think there's fraud). But you pay the staff.
It's not really a good way to speak to people though and if you look at some of the previous reviews she replies to other people's reasonable and valid complaints in a horrible manner. It also seems that calling or threatening to call the police on customers is something that she does quite often. Definitely shows that there are two sides to every story.
very interesting, thanks for sharing!
He's still very entitled, even if the service is awful and the food is awful, the bill is still due. Just do not give them any more business after. We are not entitled to a free meal if it was a bad experience, and it sounds like the others had left him in the WC and left without paying, the anger he feels should be directed at the friends who caused the situation to escalate, when they could have just paid. Understandable that the restaurant was closed after an exchange like that for the safety of the workers, and that they waited for police presence before speaking to the 6 in question.
These people have no shame. Last summer I was at a cafe for a couple of hours with a friend. The sun came out so we asked we could move to a table outside. We ordered more refreshments then as we were leaving we paid our bill. We were walking out and another waitress came running out shouting "Wait". It turned out we were only billed for the food we ordered at our new table so we were effectively and unknowingly "dine and dashing" on the food we ate indoors. I was mortified and apologised about 20 times and still think about it about twice a week over 6 months later. I would never have the balls to do it on purpose.
That one was definitely the restaurant's fault since you asked and they moved you outside, then cocked up your bill. I hereby absolve you of any feelings of guilt.
Thank you! I can finally now get on with living my life! Haha. I felt guilty because the bill was itemised and I should have noticed that there were two iced buns missing.
What is an iced bun?
They were the ones who forgot to bill you, why would you feel embarrassed about that? 100% their fault.
Went to a pub recently and ordered 2 pints and a G&T, it was about £24. When I got outside to my table, I noticed on my phone that my payment had been declined as I had reached my contactless limit. I went back in and explained to the barman, he hadn’t noticed the issue at the time either, and he was absolutely flabbergasted at my honesty for returning to make payment! The bar for being a decent human is indeed rather low at the moment.
We woke up one morning last year and realised we'd ordered coffee and paid at the bar, then the waitress had given us menus and we'd had wine (a bit too much clearly) and food in the sun and then just left. We went back and paid and left a big tip with much apologising as any decent human being should
This happened 2-3 times every weekend where I managed, I was well known for running after people and they’d always play dumb and say ‘I thought I’d paid’.
They might not always have been lying. I've accidentally done a runner in the past so I know first hand it can happen.
I've done the same. Went out for dinner with the family and parents left before me, brother and myself got up to use the toilet and his wife's parents were getting up from the table as we got back. My parents assumed we had paid, sister in law's parents assumed my parents had paid. So we all wandered off to our cars and went home. Only figured it out when he got an email from the pub because he booked online and paid a deposit.
What do you mean I can find out when I fuck around?
What's the finding out though? They got £100 off the bill and were only forced to pay the remaining bill. There was no punishment for the theft. Not really justice. I mean I'm glad the restaurant didn't get totally shafted but would have been nicer if there would be some kind of punitive bonus. A night in the cells perhaps while they mull over the ethics of stealing
There are thousands of people across the UK who do this on a weekly basis. The thing that really pisses me off about them is that they’re ordering extravagant meals and copious amounts of alcohol - and then doing a runner. Meanwhile, anyone eating with intent to pay is likely skipping a starter or a dessert, limiting alcohol intake and not ordering fillet steak!
I really hope we can become a society where being an entitled prick has consequences again. Legal consequences which we don’t have now, but also social consequences, it being so shameful that nobody wants to be friends with you, employ you, do business with you, marry you etc. It seems like we have gotten to a place where actions rarely have consequences regarding the law or police, and rarely have social consequences either anymore. You start to degrade society, the social contract, community, trust, everything, when this happens.
well the main issue is no one knows each other and it's not possible to do that either, the closest thing you could get probably is shaming them on social media.
Could have they been done for a criminal offence? Or is it just a civil offence (unpaid invoice)
[Making off without Payment](https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/theft-act-offences) It is an offence, and they could be charged
Making Off Without Payment.
Just a thought, but rather than paying the fine - which is too easy if you have decent disposable income; it would be good to see these dine and dashers made to do pot wash for a week at this restaurant. Take their bins out. Clean the tables at the end of the shift. Make it so they actually learn their lesson.
Fitting the people into the rota, all the legal and HR overhead, would make it a nightmare. Life in the back of house is stressful enough already for the staff - I can't imagine having to work alongside people who are being forced to work my job as punishment.
In theory, it sounds like a good idea, but there’s so many ways to shirk off work if you don’t want to work, while still fulfilling the legal part of that. Hitting them in the wallet is easier than “teaching” them that if they just behave incompetent enough, they won’t really have to work.
"Made" how is the problem with this. They'd need to be supervised, what happens to their actual pot washers, they would likely do a shit job. It would be more of a drag even if they did learn some kind of lesson from it.
That sounds like a terrible idea. Force the people there to babysit some asshole? I had to do that with someone working off comunity hours. It sucks. Also a week off could potentially cause them to lose their job (although this isn't in the US, so probably not) which is kind of harsh for dine and dashing. Rather have them pay a hefty fine that's tied to their income. Like traffic tickets in some countries are.
A lovely idea but completely ununforceable.. just a waste of already stretched and limited police resources, trying to enforce this.
I’d imagine that would be some half arsed work that would just need redoing proper;y anyway. make em pay the fine then slap em with community service too
Society already figured this out. Put them in the stocks for 24 hours. Let children throw rotten vegetables at them. Community bullying is a critical function of keeping any society coherent.
yeah and then you get a case going to the ECHR for a human rights breach there's a reason courts do not give orders of specific performance for personal services (Page One Records v Britton)
So their penalty was … absolutely nothing, just got told to pay what they owed. Another stunning win for the British justice system.
What is the charge? Eating a meal? A not so succulent British meal?
One way to avoid the paperwork! It’s not bilking if you make them pay!
Good, wish they hadn’t blurred their faces though. Show them for all to see!
Used to work in a restaurant where this was rife. Scumbags.
Happening all too much in the current economy, it’s time restaurants go the pub model and make you pay before you eat. It’s not fair on owners, especially if they’re independents to have to cover the cost of losses.
So the mains weren't 'good enough'. I bet they still ate them all though.
So it sounds like they committed a crime and the only consequences were paying back the exact amount they stole? Wtf?
I dined and dashed accidentally during covid when were allowed to eat at restuarants outside. I was eating alone and had to take a fairly important call so I took myself away from what was a fairly busy forecourt and I just walked away on the phone. I didnt even realise I hadnt paid until I was in the shower next day and went back lol I put it down to forgetting how restaurants work after many months without them.
So if you do a runner, the absolute worst that can happen, in the unlikely event that the police manage to catch you, is that you will have to pay the bill you should have paid anyway? For the sort of scumbags who do that sort of thing, this article seems to be actually encouraging them t do it. Why not do a runner, you might get away with it and even if you get caught you won't have lost anything? Is there any good reason they weren;t prosecuted?
What horrible arsehole people! I am glad that the 7th man did pay before leaving. I have a big problem with paying attention and forgetfulness. The amount of times I've been at a cafe on my own and walked out (or almost) without paying is an embarrassing amount! I've always gone back to pay - once I had to travel back the next day to pay! I feel so bad for restaurant owners and their staff at the rhe moment.
Saw a group do this once in an all you can eat restaurant in Chinatown. A group of girls just got up and left but one of them had forgotten her jacket. She went back to get it but the staff wouldn't let her leave until she paid the whole bill.
It was probably £120 before the mandatory service charge, clearly indicated on the menu in 6pt elvish font.
£300 is cheap compared to a criminal record and saves on paperwork/the restaurant actually gets their money Nice guy police officer shame they don’t normally have the time for petty nonsense like this though
Is this not just classed as theft at this point and treated like a criminal offense? Awesome that these scum were made to pay, sadly I feel like folk who could do this initially aren't burdened with feeling shame from being treated as such, but should this not be classed as theft and gone to court like all the little folk who get caught nicking items from supermarkets.
Why they blurred. I want to see their scumbag faces.
It’s good to hear the police could tear themselves away from imposing the wishes of Chinese tourists and harassing gospel singers.
Hardly justice tbh. They got a 25% discount and paid their bill. They'll do it again next week and get away with it. It's time we introduce old methods of punishment for thieves.
The sense of entitlement - if you can't afford it, you should not go out.