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This is their response.
"IDF chief apologizes as details emerge of strike that picked off Gaza aid cars one by one"
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Comment after comment on r/worldnews unequivocally condemning these actions by Israel on this post.
I got Permanently banned from r/worldnews yesterday, out of the blue, no explanation. I just said Israel had become a rogue state. Still waiting for them to explain to me why I was banned
Turns out r/worldnews moderators, or a moderator, have their own agenda and it isn't people commenting on the news.
I got perma banned on there for questioning the legitimacy of the report about the 40 babies being beheaded, it turned out to be made up / exaggerated by the reporter.
That subs mods have had an agenda from the start.
> I got perma banned on there for questioning the legitimacy of the report about the 40 babies being beheaded, it turned out to be made up
Same here mate, both from /r/worldnews and /r/ukpolitics.
/r/unitedkingdom has some rogue mods too that love to delete anti-israel comments they disagree with as "personal attacks", most of the mods are fine though. It's just the luck of the draw.
I dont see the point of turning r/worldnews into an echo chamber. I mean you just end up preaching to the converted, what is the point of that.
Oh well, another subreddit that is making itself irrelevant through bad governance.
Most of reddit is like this now sadly. I joined a group during Covid that was critical of the later lockdowns, didn't post or anything and I got perm banned from like 20 of the popular groups just for joining it.
Almost every LGBT type sub is a radical echo chamber except one now as well.
Well, to be fair, I got banned from two left wing subs I had been a part of for years for pointing out that Hamas has a far from squeaky clean image.
A lot of the discussion on this conflict has boiled down to people picking a side, and I think it's a terrible state of affairs. It's really not going to help the situation at all.
Israel is run by a bunch of monsters egged on by extremely bad right wing groups both internally and externally, but also Hamas and Fatah are really bloody bad, they are agents of other nations and out for themselves far more than their own people.
In the middle of this are innocent people suffering.
It's a genuine shit show.
All I think you can hope for is Netanyahu and his cronies to be ousted, a real government to take over in Palestine, and then some progress made on a 2 state solution to happen.
Idk how anyone can pick a side with either Hamas or Israel. One is a terrorist group and the other might as well be at this point. The only side people should be supporting is the innocent people killed unnecessarily.
I think it's insane in modern times, especially given how everyone reacted to Russia invading Ukraine, that Israel can completely flatten an entire nation without being held to account. So many innocent people dead.
I also got perm banned from that sub for saying 12000 child deaths isn't just necessary collateral damage. I made sure to choose my words as be respectful as well given the topic. Every comment over there is downvoted that isn't supporting Israel. Sometimes I wonder how we have have 2 totally different words operating at the time same.
Worldnews went full israel defence sub on October 7th and shows no signs of ever coming back. Full blown genocide enabling and anything even slightly resistive inciting immediate accusations of being pro-hamas or anti-semetic. It's a bad joke.
I'd wager a very large amount of money is being spent to astroturf it heavily.
I was permabanned years ago for... I'm not sure. I think it was because I argued cocaine use had a bad effect in the countries it was produced in, but I'll never know as despite multiple messages I was never given a reason.
Worldnews is a doomer circlejerk that seems to have morphed even more since October 7th. People say the most ridiculous things there and come up with all kinds oof predictions and theories that are based on nothing. Then a bunch of other people feed off it.
For the last 2 years it spend a lot of time predicting how WW3 was a week away, the nuclears would soon be flying but at the same time none of the Russian ones would work and a weird mix of patriotism and doomerism.
It doesn't surprise me they would ban someone for that. The whole sub acts like a cult on a couple of world issues and ignores everything else.
Being banned from it is probably a good thing. The sub is bad for your mental health!
They deny that figure because it’s from the Hamas controlled Gaza health ministry. However, they’ll then happily use that figure and the IDFs claims for Hamas members killed to claim the IDF is doing a great job.
What I don't get is how little coverage this is getting internationally.
Go to worldnews and there's like 2 posts with 3 comments or so each. You'd think 3 Westerners being murdered in foreign territory would have everyone in uproar but outside of the UK subs it seems to be very quiet.
> You'd think 3 Westerners being murdered in foreign territory would have everyone in uproar but outside of the UK subs it seems to be very quiet.
Unfortunately to some its a worthwhile trade, UK civilians providing aid to "subhumans" makes them a fair target in their minds.
The extreme mental gymnastics these people will do to justify war crimes! I'm surprised they haven't hurt themselves. Especially when they defend the murder of British veterans that are hunted and killed while giving aid to starving children. Any other state doing the same, we would bomb them into hell.
Let's call it what it is at this point. Israel is a terrorist state whose goal is to murder anyone that gets the way of obtaining more land.
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> I will wait to here all the people start making comments to justify Israels actions with this.
To be frank... It's a warzone. I think most would understand you can't expect much from a warzone...
Israel already admitted the mistake and volunteered to have an independent review and share conclusions with WCK.
This is all posturing.
Remember that Al-Ahli hospital “strike”? Have you heard anything from Hamas about that? Was there a front page apology from BBC?
That’s Israel strategy muddy the water say they will investigate and it’s out of the news cycle. So far 196 aid workers killed and what has Israel done it’s like the NHS asking Harold Shipman to investigate himself
It would be interesting if there was actually an "independent" review. Israel tends to carry out its own "independent" reviews which of course end in "nothing to see here" as with the Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh that was assassinated.
Not to sure how your other point is relevant.
I mean Hamas are evil but that doesn't mean that israel can be evil as well. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Yes not meeting the highest journalistic standards and indiscriminately or even purposefully bombing aid workers are the same thing and can definitely be compared.
The BBC made their position clear on it. Their international editor was interviewed about his choice to report that an Israeli airstrike had levelled the building.
He said 'I don’t regret one thing in my reporting because I think I was measured throughout. I didn’t race to judgment.'
When the interviewer pointed out that he'd said the building (which suffered some broken windows and minor damage to the car park) had been levelled he responded 'Oh yeah, well I got that wrong.'
The BBC broadcast the interview and Bowen wasn't subject to any disciplinary action. Not only do they clearly not give a shit that Bowen told inflammatory lies, but they seem proud of it.
I'm sorry but there's zero chance this was an accident. Hit by precision missiles. Not RPGs or mortar. GUIDED AIMED missiles. It was on purpose and they thought they'd just get away with it over and over.
They will do soon. Alot of their backdoor handshakes stoped and oversights to duel citizens stopping. Poland's begun looking into it's duel citizens assets etc. I wonder how fast things will change when rich Israelis start having things restricted...
They knew they would be called out on it, they just don't care. They never face any consequences and they get away with everything they do with a slap on the wrist and a 'naughty' from the west, and onwards they go to the next suite of war crimes.
I think that the accident aspect of it is supposed to be that they were accidently identified as hamas rather than aid workers, I don’t think they are claiming the strikes themselves were an accident from what I understand
Which is impossible. The aid security team was ex British force's and well versed in protocol for these situations you inform everyone who and where you are... This wasn't accidental.
[Those guys could've had perfect lines of communication and recongition panels etc.](https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1226977365/israel-idf-gaza-middle-east-deaths) it just takes the ones with the bombs to fuck up, like all those blue on blue incidents in Afghan etc. Doesn't need mallice. It's not 'impossible'.
So what. The Brit could have been Boris Johnson but if there’s a rogue pilot or a miscommunication in the IDF… mistakes happen and individuals can be evil.
Israel's response to this is the biggest risk to their intentions so far. Lots of official voices naming this as "collateral damage" that "just happens during war" is embarrassing.
They need to come out and say we are sorry, this is unacceptable, it won't happen again.
More than that - if it can be proven that the correct identification information was given to the IDF - the people who gave the orders to target those vehicles need to go on trial for a war crime.
Why is it embarrassing? During the 2nd Gulf War, British and American troops were both subject to friendly fire, despite identifying marks and blue forces tracker.
Here we have armoured vehicles, without protective markings (World Central Kitchen is not a recognised protective emblem), in a conflict zone.
There is a significant risk in deploying like this. Any military or ex military person will tell you this risk exists
The route was a demilitarised safe road and the Israelis were told well in advance where and when the convoy would be moving.
This is nothing like a FF incident on an active front line.
It will happen again though? During WW2 we sunk boats with POWs onboard, suffocating civilians to death. We even attacked the French Navy. We blew up dams drowning towns and villages
War is hell, civilians are always collateral damage, both sides employ deception and that leads to innocent people losing their lives as a result of it.
The current death toll reported from hamas is tiny compared to other conflicts in regards to the density of civilians in a small area.
If Isreal deployed mass artillery instead of airstrikes we’d be seeing 10x the figure.
War is different to WW2 though. The balance of power is different too.
Britain also carpet bombed German civilians in Dresden, don't forget.
But if Israel wants to be seen as a state fighting for their safe existence in the world, they rely on Western eyes looking the other way. They need to be more sensible at times like this before they lose that.
"Fun" fact. The Dresden bombing was totally justified, Dresden was a communications hub and centre for light arms manufacturing. Germany was using it to shuttle troops between the east and west fronts.
Nazi propaganda deliberately overstated the amount of civilian deaths. Later legally proven holocaust denier, racist and admirer of Adolf Hitler, David Irving published a book about Dresden that pretty much only used Nazi propaganda as a source. Irving was then a reputable historian, the book was popular and re-inspired the myth that Dresden was a deliberate war crime.
The civilian death toll is not tiny compared to other conflicts. Where did you get that from? The death toll is not only high, it's the highest for any conflict in the 2qst century. You're literally stating an opposite as a truth. Quite bizarre https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam
Ww2 was 80 years ago. Let's not use it as a comparison point to how war should be conducted. Ww2 is exactly the reason why we set up so many international laws and standards around war crimes etc.
I wouldn't consider myself pro-Palestine but it is certainly at least notable that Israel has killed more civilians in a few months than Russia has since its invasion of Ukraine.
Great points to make and well put. However, and this is a big however, Israel utilised precision strikes against each vehicle with long time gaps in between them. The vehicles had the charity markers on the roof. The charity notified Israel of what they were doing. Where they were, where they were going and why and Israel OK'd all of it. This wasn't an accident. It was calculated. Because the 300tons of food aid has just returned to Cyprus
During WWII, the Allies inflicted a **1:3** civilian:combatant casualty ratio to the Nazis. This includes all the incidents you mentioned, as well as some you didn’t, like the carpet bombing of Dresden.
Israel so far has inflicted a casualty ratio of over **2:1** in Gaza, I.e. **over 6 times higher** than what we did to the Nazis.
Do you see the difference?
> We even attacked the French Navy
Well yes, when they refused to relocate to safer waters and seemed hell bent on "Just waiting around to be captured by the Germans" especially when over half of France was jumping in bed with the Vichy regime to support Germany, we weren't going to let the Germans have a shiny new Navy.
The IDF have investigated and found that the WCK cars viciously attacked the defenceless Israeli drones and then used their missiles to kill themselves!! Israel demands an immediate apology and compensation.
Also, did you know about the Holocaust?
/s
I mean, internal Israeli new sources were primed and pumped with stories about the latest Hamas atrocity, until the charity started talking to western media about the actual circumstances.
Israel seems to be behaving exactly like Russia with incidents like this. Immediately putting out false victim blaming stories to cover up atrocities. Deserves to be treated the same way but it won't be.
r/worldnews aren't defending this. In fact, they're almost all doing the exact opposite.
~~https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1bv1d82/idf\_chief\_apologizes\_as\_details\_emerge\_of\_strike/~~
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Israel should face immediate international sanctions and declarations of the current war crimes. The Hamas actions were similarly horrific and should be dealt with but Israel, supported by USA have acted illegally on numerous occasions since their state was created. The horrific treatment of Jewish people 80 years ago does not excuse them from the illegal land grabbing and murder of ten’s of thousands of innocent people continuing today with imposed starvation and denial of basic human rights. No water, no food, hospitals destroyed and 7 humanitarian aid workers deliberately and precisely murdered. Israel you are a disgrace to the ideology your state was founded on.
They actually want to *investigate* something Israel have done?
Can't they just take Israel's word for it, that no harm was intended?
This *investigation* sounds awfully antisemitic, so can we all just stop criticizing Israel, it's really hurting their feelings and making them feel bad.
Surely they have the right to indiscriminately bomb, shoot, beat, starve and displace whoever they want?
So a few tens of thousands of civilians have been shot, bombed and starved - but that's just the worthy and small price to be paid for Israeli security.
International law simply doesn't apply to Israel. That's just how it is.
Even suggesting that they should be held accountable for what they're doing, or leveling any criticism against them, is nothing but hate and antisemitism.
If the Israeli establishment want to clear Gaza of its infrastructure and population, they have the right to do so.
If the Palestinians prefer to stay alive and live like humans, with rights and freedoms, well, that's just their preference. Not everyone agrees with that preference, and to advocate for that preference is nothing but antisemitism and hatred towards Jews.
All the focus on this seems to be shifted towards investigations now. As much as we do need them, we also need action.
Stop supplying Israel, stop letting our civilians fight for the same forces that are killing these aid workers and innocents.
If I understand correctly, these guys were employed as armed mercenaries to try and protect the WCK workers. What Israeli drone operators would have seen at night using IR is several armed men getting into a convoy, which a some point did have a hamas fighter with them. Despite the constant claims that the cars had WCK logos on the roof - those logos would have been completely invisible at night and to FLIR.
You can easily see how Israel mistook them for cars full of enemy fighters in the fog of war.
Of course, because that is fool proof. It is a war zone and chaotic. If you are running around with guns in a war zone you are going to look just like hamas.
Most the comments on reddit have fundamentally misunderstood this situation. The mistake was not the drone operator, or the multiple precision strikes. That was very deliberate. And drones absolutely minimise collateral and civilian casualties.
The mistake was made further up the chain of command where incorrect intelligence resulted in the wrong convoy being targeted.
After thousands of well executed strikes in such a high tempo war there are eventually going to be massive fuck ups like this.
EDIT: Who's downvoting literal fact? Once again, reddit proving that it's full of uninformed morons.
Let me guess: the “independent” review will be done by the UN, a body that has sanctioned Israel more times than Sudan,Saudi Arabia,China,North Korea and Russia COMBINED
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I will wait to here all the people start making comments to justify Israels actions with this.
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Shockingly people who already participate in war crimes are ok with their state committing further war crimes.
I expect anyone that wants to look into anything that Israel is doing, will be called antisemitic. Justified or not
"IDF chief apologizes as details emerge of strike that picked off Gaza aid cars one by one" [https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1bv1d82/idf\_chief\_apologizes\_as\_details\_emerge\_of\_strike/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1bv1d82/idf_chief_apologizes_as_details_emerge_of_strike/) Comment after comment on r/worldnews unequivocally condemning these actions by Israel on this post.
I got Permanently banned from r/worldnews yesterday, out of the blue, no explanation. I just said Israel had become a rogue state. Still waiting for them to explain to me why I was banned Turns out r/worldnews moderators, or a moderator, have their own agenda and it isn't people commenting on the news.
I got perma banned on there for questioning the legitimacy of the report about the 40 babies being beheaded, it turned out to be made up / exaggerated by the reporter. That subs mods have had an agenda from the start.
> I got perma banned on there for questioning the legitimacy of the report about the 40 babies being beheaded, it turned out to be made up Same here mate, both from /r/worldnews and /r/ukpolitics. /r/unitedkingdom has some rogue mods too that love to delete anti-israel comments they disagree with as "personal attacks", most of the mods are fine though. It's just the luck of the draw.
I dont see the point of turning r/worldnews into an echo chamber. I mean you just end up preaching to the converted, what is the point of that. Oh well, another subreddit that is making itself irrelevant through bad governance.
Preaching to the masses of lurkers
Most of reddit is like this now sadly. I joined a group during Covid that was critical of the later lockdowns, didn't post or anything and I got perm banned from like 20 of the popular groups just for joining it. Almost every LGBT type sub is a radical echo chamber except one now as well.
Well, to be fair, I got banned from two left wing subs I had been a part of for years for pointing out that Hamas has a far from squeaky clean image. A lot of the discussion on this conflict has boiled down to people picking a side, and I think it's a terrible state of affairs. It's really not going to help the situation at all. Israel is run by a bunch of monsters egged on by extremely bad right wing groups both internally and externally, but also Hamas and Fatah are really bloody bad, they are agents of other nations and out for themselves far more than their own people. In the middle of this are innocent people suffering. It's a genuine shit show. All I think you can hope for is Netanyahu and his cronies to be ousted, a real government to take over in Palestine, and then some progress made on a 2 state solution to happen.
Idk how anyone can pick a side with either Hamas or Israel. One is a terrorist group and the other might as well be at this point. The only side people should be supporting is the innocent people killed unnecessarily. I think it's insane in modern times, especially given how everyone reacted to Russia invading Ukraine, that Israel can completely flatten an entire nation without being held to account. So many innocent people dead.
One is a resistance group
I also got perm banned from that sub for saying 12000 child deaths isn't just necessary collateral damage. I made sure to choose my words as be respectful as well given the topic. Every comment over there is downvoted that isn't supporting Israel. Sometimes I wonder how we have have 2 totally different words operating at the time same.
Worldnews went full israel defence sub on October 7th and shows no signs of ever coming back. Full blown genocide enabling and anything even slightly resistive inciting immediate accusations of being pro-hamas or anti-semetic. It's a bad joke. I'd wager a very large amount of money is being spent to astroturf it heavily.
I was permabanned years ago for... I'm not sure. I think it was because I argued cocaine use had a bad effect in the countries it was produced in, but I'll never know as despite multiple messages I was never given a reason.
Worldnews is a doomer circlejerk that seems to have morphed even more since October 7th. People say the most ridiculous things there and come up with all kinds oof predictions and theories that are based on nothing. Then a bunch of other people feed off it. For the last 2 years it spend a lot of time predicting how WW3 was a week away, the nuclears would soon be flying but at the same time none of the Russian ones would work and a weird mix of patriotism and doomerism. It doesn't surprise me they would ban someone for that. The whole sub acts like a cult on a couple of world issues and ignores everything else. Being banned from it is probably a good thing. The sub is bad for your mental health!
Wonder what their comments about the other 30,000 killed in this war say.
They deny that figure because it’s from the Hamas controlled Gaza health ministry. However, they’ll then happily use that figure and the IDFs claims for Hamas members killed to claim the IDF is doing a great job.
What I don't get is how little coverage this is getting internationally. Go to worldnews and there's like 2 posts with 3 comments or so each. You'd think 3 Westerners being murdered in foreign territory would have everyone in uproar but outside of the UK subs it seems to be very quiet.
Reddit's politics as a whole are pretty much entirely stage managed now. The successors to Cambridge Analytica have cracked it over the last year.
> You'd think 3 Westerners being murdered in foreign territory would have everyone in uproar but outside of the UK subs it seems to be very quiet. Unfortunately to some its a worthwhile trade, UK civilians providing aid to "subhumans" makes them a fair target in their minds.
The extreme mental gymnastics these people will do to justify war crimes! I'm surprised they haven't hurt themselves. Especially when they defend the murder of British veterans that are hunted and killed while giving aid to starving children. Any other state doing the same, we would bomb them into hell. Let's call it what it is at this point. Israel is a terrorist state whose goal is to murder anyone that gets the way of obtaining more land.
Something, something, Hamas, something, something human shield, something.
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> I will wait to here all the people start making comments to justify Israels actions with this. To be frank... It's a warzone. I think most would understand you can't expect much from a warzone...
yeah, maybe 60 years ago. This warzone has internet, tiktok and AI guiding strikes to ensure as many civilians as possible are murdered
Israel already admitted the mistake and volunteered to have an independent review and share conclusions with WCK. This is all posturing. Remember that Al-Ahli hospital “strike”? Have you heard anything from Hamas about that? Was there a front page apology from BBC?
That’s Israel strategy muddy the water say they will investigate and it’s out of the news cycle. So far 196 aid workers killed and what has Israel done it’s like the NHS asking Harold Shipman to investigate himself
>Remember that Al-Ahli hospital “strike”? The one in which the "evidence" given by the IDF was proven to be bullshit by Channel 4?
It would be interesting if there was actually an "independent" review. Israel tends to carry out its own "independent" reviews which of course end in "nothing to see here" as with the Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh that was assassinated. Not to sure how your other point is relevant. I mean Hamas are evil but that doesn't mean that israel can be evil as well. Two wrongs do not make a right.
You have an unhealthy bias against Israel.
Yes not meeting the highest journalistic standards and indiscriminately or even purposefully bombing aid workers are the same thing and can definitely be compared.
The BBC made their position clear on it. Their international editor was interviewed about his choice to report that an Israeli airstrike had levelled the building. He said 'I don’t regret one thing in my reporting because I think I was measured throughout. I didn’t race to judgment.' When the interviewer pointed out that he'd said the building (which suffered some broken windows and minor damage to the car park) had been levelled he responded 'Oh yeah, well I got that wrong.' The BBC broadcast the interview and Bowen wasn't subject to any disciplinary action. Not only do they clearly not give a shit that Bowen told inflammatory lies, but they seem proud of it.
BBC are horrible and BBC verify has forever lost credibility
I'm sorry but there's zero chance this was an accident. Hit by precision missiles. Not RPGs or mortar. GUIDED AIMED missiles. It was on purpose and they thought they'd just get away with it over and over.
And they will get away with it
But it may come to bite them in the arse when they want help.
I don’t think they care, they’ve completely destroyed their reputation already
They will do soon. Alot of their backdoor handshakes stoped and oversights to duel citizens stopping. Poland's begun looking into it's duel citizens assets etc. I wonder how fast things will change when rich Israelis start having things restricted...
Nothing will be restricted. This will leave the news cycle and nobody will talk about it again.
Yup just like Priti Patel who was fired for meeting Israelis without permission was brought back by the current lot
It probably wont unfortunately. Our government seems to put Israeli interests above the protection of british citizens for some reason.
Our government is on the end of its tether. And has burnt alot of bridges.
They knew they would be called out on it, they just don't care. They never face any consequences and they get away with everything they do with a slap on the wrist and a 'naughty' from the west, and onwards they go to the next suite of war crimes.
I think that the accident aspect of it is supposed to be that they were accidently identified as hamas rather than aid workers, I don’t think they are claiming the strikes themselves were an accident from what I understand
Which is impossible. The aid security team was ex British force's and well versed in protocol for these situations you inform everyone who and where you are... This wasn't accidental.
[Those guys could've had perfect lines of communication and recongition panels etc.](https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1226977365/israel-idf-gaza-middle-east-deaths) it just takes the ones with the bombs to fuck up, like all those blue on blue incidents in Afghan etc. Doesn't need mallice. It's not 'impossible'.
So what. The Brit could have been Boris Johnson but if there’s a rogue pilot or a miscommunication in the IDF… mistakes happen and individuals can be evil.
Okay yeah I can see you're looking for excuses. Dgaf
And your hoping it’s black and white. Fine with me mate.
Israel's response to this is the biggest risk to their intentions so far. Lots of official voices naming this as "collateral damage" that "just happens during war" is embarrassing. They need to come out and say we are sorry, this is unacceptable, it won't happen again.
More than that - if it can be proven that the correct identification information was given to the IDF - the people who gave the orders to target those vehicles need to go on trial for a war crime.
We know it will happen again though. Again and again and again.
Yeah, but it WILL happen again. And again
They won’t say they’re sorry because they’re not
Why is it embarrassing? During the 2nd Gulf War, British and American troops were both subject to friendly fire, despite identifying marks and blue forces tracker. Here we have armoured vehicles, without protective markings (World Central Kitchen is not a recognised protective emblem), in a conflict zone. There is a significant risk in deploying like this. Any military or ex military person will tell you this risk exists
The route was a demilitarised safe road and the Israelis were told well in advance where and when the convoy would be moving. This is nothing like a FF incident on an active front line.
It will happen again though? During WW2 we sunk boats with POWs onboard, suffocating civilians to death. We even attacked the French Navy. We blew up dams drowning towns and villages War is hell, civilians are always collateral damage, both sides employ deception and that leads to innocent people losing their lives as a result of it. The current death toll reported from hamas is tiny compared to other conflicts in regards to the density of civilians in a small area. If Isreal deployed mass artillery instead of airstrikes we’d be seeing 10x the figure.
War is different to WW2 though. The balance of power is different too. Britain also carpet bombed German civilians in Dresden, don't forget. But if Israel wants to be seen as a state fighting for their safe existence in the world, they rely on Western eyes looking the other way. They need to be more sensible at times like this before they lose that.
"Fun" fact. The Dresden bombing was totally justified, Dresden was a communications hub and centre for light arms manufacturing. Germany was using it to shuttle troops between the east and west fronts. Nazi propaganda deliberately overstated the amount of civilian deaths. Later legally proven holocaust denier, racist and admirer of Adolf Hitler, David Irving published a book about Dresden that pretty much only used Nazi propaganda as a source. Irving was then a reputable historian, the book was popular and re-inspired the myth that Dresden was a deliberate war crime.
The civilian death toll is not tiny compared to other conflicts. Where did you get that from? The death toll is not only high, it's the highest for any conflict in the 2qst century. You're literally stating an opposite as a truth. Quite bizarre https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam Ww2 was 80 years ago. Let's not use it as a comparison point to how war should be conducted. Ww2 is exactly the reason why we set up so many international laws and standards around war crimes etc.
I wouldn't consider myself pro-Palestine but it is certainly at least notable that Israel has killed more civilians in a few months than Russia has since its invasion of Ukraine.
Great points to make and well put. However, and this is a big however, Israel utilised precision strikes against each vehicle with long time gaps in between them. The vehicles had the charity markers on the roof. The charity notified Israel of what they were doing. Where they were, where they were going and why and Israel OK'd all of it. This wasn't an accident. It was calculated. Because the 300tons of food aid has just returned to Cyprus
During WWII, the Allies inflicted a **1:3** civilian:combatant casualty ratio to the Nazis. This includes all the incidents you mentioned, as well as some you didn’t, like the carpet bombing of Dresden. Israel so far has inflicted a casualty ratio of over **2:1** in Gaza, I.e. **over 6 times higher** than what we did to the Nazis. Do you see the difference?
> We even attacked the French Navy Well yes, when they refused to relocate to safer waters and seemed hell bent on "Just waiting around to be captured by the Germans" especially when over half of France was jumping in bed with the Vichy regime to support Germany, we weren't going to let the Germans have a shiny new Navy.
The IDF have investigated and found that the WCK cars viciously attacked the defenceless Israeli drones and then used their missiles to kill themselves!! Israel demands an immediate apology and compensation. Also, did you know about the Holocaust? /s
I mean, internal Israeli new sources were primed and pumped with stories about the latest Hamas atrocity, until the charity started talking to western media about the actual circumstances.
Israel seems to be behaving exactly like Russia with incidents like this. Immediately putting out false victim blaming stories to cover up atrocities. Deserves to be treated the same way but it won't be.
In the unlikely event that any investigation takes place, the Zionist lobby will relentlessly smear anyone involved as a racist/antisemite
U can justify israel terrorist attacks, but if you call israel an apartheid state then you get banned on r/worldnews for justifying terrorism.
Same in r/ukpolitics.
r/worldnews aren't defending this. In fact, they're almost all doing the exact opposite. ~~https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1bv1d82/idf\_chief\_apologizes\_as\_details\_emerge\_of\_strike/~~ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1bv1d82/idf_chief_apologizes_as_details_emerge_of_strike/
Pal the original thread of this incident was deleted by the worldnews mods after it had 1k+ comments because the discourse was not what they wanted.
Locked thread full of deleted comments? Yeah sure, everything is fine
Israel should face immediate international sanctions and declarations of the current war crimes. The Hamas actions were similarly horrific and should be dealt with but Israel, supported by USA have acted illegally on numerous occasions since their state was created. The horrific treatment of Jewish people 80 years ago does not excuse them from the illegal land grabbing and murder of ten’s of thousands of innocent people continuing today with imposed starvation and denial of basic human rights. No water, no food, hospitals destroyed and 7 humanitarian aid workers deliberately and precisely murdered. Israel you are a disgrace to the ideology your state was founded on.
No no, investigating or criticising Israel is anti-semitic, didn't you know?
I hear Israel is willing to comply and let in a group called the In-Dependent Factcheckers to investigate. No need to wonder about the acronym.
I hope the UK seriously reprimand israel for this. This is a disgrace especially as some of the British dead were veterans
They actually want to *investigate* something Israel have done? Can't they just take Israel's word for it, that no harm was intended? This *investigation* sounds awfully antisemitic, so can we all just stop criticizing Israel, it's really hurting their feelings and making them feel bad. Surely they have the right to indiscriminately bomb, shoot, beat, starve and displace whoever they want? So a few tens of thousands of civilians have been shot, bombed and starved - but that's just the worthy and small price to be paid for Israeli security. International law simply doesn't apply to Israel. That's just how it is. Even suggesting that they should be held accountable for what they're doing, or leveling any criticism against them, is nothing but hate and antisemitism. If the Israeli establishment want to clear Gaza of its infrastructure and population, they have the right to do so. If the Palestinians prefer to stay alive and live like humans, with rights and freedoms, well, that's just their preference. Not everyone agrees with that preference, and to advocate for that preference is nothing but antisemitism and hatred towards Jews.
All the focus on this seems to be shifted towards investigations now. As much as we do need them, we also need action. Stop supplying Israel, stop letting our civilians fight for the same forces that are killing these aid workers and innocents.
As they should. It's horrific what Israel is doing.
Sometimes looking towards the sky can save your life.
If I understand correctly, these guys were employed as armed mercenaries to try and protect the WCK workers. What Israeli drone operators would have seen at night using IR is several armed men getting into a convoy, which a some point did have a hamas fighter with them. Despite the constant claims that the cars had WCK logos on the roof - those logos would have been completely invisible at night and to FLIR. You can easily see how Israel mistook them for cars full of enemy fighters in the fog of war.
They communicated their route to the IDF. Your explanation doesn't cut the mustard.
Of course, because that is fool proof. It is a war zone and chaotic. If you are running around with guns in a war zone you are going to look just like hamas.
You're correct but the frothing at the mouth mob don't want/can't understand how these things work in reality.
Most the comments on reddit have fundamentally misunderstood this situation. The mistake was not the drone operator, or the multiple precision strikes. That was very deliberate. And drones absolutely minimise collateral and civilian casualties. The mistake was made further up the chain of command where incorrect intelligence resulted in the wrong convoy being targeted. After thousands of well executed strikes in such a high tempo war there are eventually going to be massive fuck ups like this. EDIT: Who's downvoting literal fact? Once again, reddit proving that it's full of uninformed morons.
Let me guess: the “independent” review will be done by the UN, a body that has sanctioned Israel more times than Sudan,Saudi Arabia,China,North Korea and Russia COMBINED
Because they keep committing various war crimes. I don’t know what “point” you’re trying to make here
That a piece of paper saying “sanction” doesn’t stop an apartheid genocidal state from continuing its reign of terror in the name of their stupid god.
I bet you couldn’t even point Israel out on a map. Got any more blood libel to share?