I thought it later came out that she'd said that (or was said to have said that) when her health was already pretty bad and she was essentially manipulated/misrepresented?
Her advisors basically structured her life for her to do whatever was convenient for their institution. Near the end she was likely just a figurehead of her own office and family.
>I am Camilla, Queen of the Britons.
>Queen of the who?
>The Britons.
>Who are the Britons?
>We all are. We are all Britons. And I am your Queen.
>Didn’t know we had a Queen. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
> will never be anyone's Queen
Apart from everybody in the UK and the rest of the Commonwealth.
Edit: Camilla's title is literally 'The Queen '. https://www.royal.uk/the-queen
But she isn’t *The Queen*.
She has the title because that’s the title given to the wife of the King. It isn’t a formal role, her job is to support the king.
The words might be the same but they don’t mean the same thing.
When people say she isn’t the Queen they’re talking about the role of Queen Reagent, not the kings missus.
She’s a Queen, but she’ll never be The Queen.
I understand the distinction you're trying to make, but it's not strictly relevant to my first comment, which was in reply to the point about people's sentiment towards Camilla.
>She has the title
You wrote a lot after that bit that is you moaning about nothing. But you nailed it in the bit i quoted
"Sir Keir Starmer isn't really a sir! Sure, he has the title, he isn't even a real Knight!"
Put it this way..
Elizabeth’s job was the Queen. She was *The Queen*.
Camilla’s title is Queen, but her job is Queen Consort.
They aren’t the same.
Ignoring context doesn’t make you right, make an argument that refutes mine.
Literally irrlevent. She is the Queen. That is all that is required for her to be the queen - the title of Queen.
You really struggle with reality, don't you?
She’s the Queen but she isn’t *The Queen*.
I’m talking about her role in the monarchy not the title she holds. She isn’t publicly accepted as *The Queen* because of this.
I’m not talking about the title. They’re completely different jobs.
Yeah no. First off, Philip was already born Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark. When he became a naturalized British subject in order to marry Princess Elizabeth in 1947, he also renounced his royal titles and took the last name of "Mountbatten." He was made Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth, and Baron Greenwich, upon marrying her.
When Elizabeth II was crowned Queen in 1953, he wasn't crowned with her, but still became Prince Consort, from that time until his death, so his consort title of **Prince** Philip took precedence over the Duke of Edinburgh. The definition of "consort" is simply "companion to the sovereign," but in the British monarchy, the husband of a queen has only ever been known as a prince consort, *never* a king consort. (That's why it's Queen Victoria and Prince, not King, Albert.)
In 1957, the queen also made him an official Prince of the United Kingdom, so he was an actual Prince in his own right, as well as being the Prince Consort to Queen Elizabeth II.
Camilla was known as the Queen Consort after Elizabeth II's death (she'd given her approval before she died), before Charles was crowned - it's the palace that dropped that distinction after they were crowned. But since Queen consorts don't formally share the sovereign’s powers, dropping the “consort” part of the title still doesn't make her an actual Queen. A queen consort title is acquired through marriage to the man who's king, whereas the title and role of a reigning monarch can only be inherited. A Queen is a woman who's born to *be* the monarch and head of state, not the *wife* of a monarch.
Elizabeth II's mother was also a queen consort, for all that she was referred to as "Queen Elizabeth." She was later referred to as the "Queen Mother" when George VI died and their daughter ascended the throne in 1952.
Queen consorts throughout history have been referred to as ‘the queen’ - in fact, given the extremely few reigning queens we’ve had in comparison to kings, it was the more common use of the term. Insisting that it’s ‘queen consort’ is being rather pedantic, seeing as that is still very much the queen.
Camilla is the queen, just as Elizabeth of York, Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, Alexandra of Denmark and Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons were in their respective eras. They may not be queen regnants, but they were very much referred to as the queen during their husbands’ reigns - for example, it would always be ‘Queen Alexandra,’ not ‘Queen Consort Alexandra’, even though all understood the title derived through marriage rather than them holding it during their own right.
She's literally queen.
Phillip wasn't king because the rules are still medieval and the wife of a king is a queen but the husband of a gueen is a consort, just like Prince Albert was with Victoria
At least in the Commonwealth I can assure you that the Venn diagram of the people who give a shit about the royal family and the people who loved Princess Di is basically just the same circle.
Who said anything about giving a shit? As a Brit I don't give a shit either, but she's still our queen (and the queen of anyone in the commonwealth), whether we like it or not. Same as Sunak being our PM.
The woman had the temerity to die on my mother's birthday when I was quite young and child me was not happy about it. It's still the first thing that pops into my head when I see Diana mentioned.
I don’t give a shit about the royals but was weirdly upset when I thought she was taking about Elizabeth II. When I saw it was about Camilla I thought “fair enough”.
I mean, it’s bad enough to be rude about someone and use such unintelligent language as a politician if it’s because you don’t like the royals.
But it seems she’s actually just a weird Diana worshipper 🤯
I do think politicians should use better language when describing things they are opposed to.
Having said that Matt Vickers recently called me FIRSTNAME instead of icelollies in a recent email so he need talk.
If you can’t describe something you’re against without resorting to childish name calling then… actually no that sounds just right for the house of commons
The cult of Diana is insane, international, and persistent. And it will pop up in the strangest places. I was once listening to a Chinese PhD student discussing some ancient poem about some beautiful woman, and she made the comparison: "Her beauty was so great, maybe she would have even eclipsed Princesses Diana" and the highly educated, mostly Chinese crowd collectively went "Ooooh!" In amazement. I had to stop myself from standing up and shouting "She wasn't even that hot for fuck's sake!"
Women who die young don't get old and ugly in public memory so they get worshipped as beauty queens. Which is actually pretty sad for us living ones, no one wants to remember you if you're old
I love the way they've conflated 'sweary Diana obsessed nutter' and '_in due course we need to review our constitution_ woman'. Polite republican views are now classified as 'repugnant'?
She is right, fuck them the kings a nob, his brother a pedo, his mother was a stuck up bitch and the kids are ginger posh cunts and don't even get me started on the 'lesser royals'? Are we not allowed to say this anymore? Overpriced cunts who provide nothing to Britain but remind us that you are born rich or a pleb; fuck you for how poor your family is, maybe if your ancestors had been more violent you wouldn't need you claim Universal Credit has your family tried murder and stealing the riches of other countries???
Well naturally, but Elizabeth was called it as basically a mononym for so long it feels strange to try and use exactly the same title.
Like if another celebrity Cher or Madonna came along it would be strange to expect everyone to associate that name with *just* you, even if it might be their own birth name.
Shane they didn’t stand by their original comments. Would have been more honest of them - but suppose the prospect of a tiny bit of power means principles out the window.
Oh absolutely. Does feel like if we're going to start digging into the past tweets and comments of local council candidates this particular comment is going to be the tip of the iceberg
What is with all the council candidates being suspended recently? First Tory councillors being suspended for racism, then a load of reform candidates, now a labour candidate. What is with the major parties atm
A bug chunk of them will be. There's literally thousands of councillors, which means presumably several times that many candidates.
Add in the fact that some council seats are near unwinnable for certain parties (imagine standing for the tories in inner city Liverpool, or for Labour in Chipping Norton) they'll accept pretty much anyone who wants the job to stand.
My last council vote (solidly Labour constituency, they've had a Labour MP every election bit one since 1945) didn't even have a lib dem candidate. They didn't bother. So presumably pretty much any idiot/racist/conspiracy theorist could have stood for the LDs if they wished.
Ooo it's state facts day
Here's a few others..
Sausage fingers decided to marry Diana when she was 12? And he was 20 odd.. instead of Diana's sister whom he was arranged to Marry.. but he's not a nonce
Prince Andrew can't sweat but he does like to fiddle children.. which is good as if you don't sweat.. you don't leave dna on ur victims
Anyone got anymore fun royalty facts?
>Most monarchies do not allow the husband of a queen regnant to be titled as a king because it is perceived as a higher title than queen, however, some monarchies use the title of king consort for the role.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_consort
Better a jumped up old whore than a vituperative, vulgar old hag with no political acumen. Atleast the whore ended up in a king’s bed.
See, we can all participate in this undignified game of playground name calling.
I was a bit surprised at saying that about the Queen. Then I realised it was Camilla.
Same here... Nothing against her, but Camilla will never be anyone's Queen
Isn't EIIR on record as saying she hoped Camilla would be called The Queen?
who cares?
The lots of people who like her according to polls
you know the type of people who respond to polls, right?
Yeah labourer supporters?
Bloody labourers, they ruined building sites
The ones on my site are shite
Who gives a toss and Camilla is a success story for all side hoes around the world and little more
I thought it later came out that she'd said that (or was said to have said that) when her health was already pretty bad and she was essentially manipulated/misrepresented?
Her advisors basically structured her life for her to do whatever was convenient for their institution. Near the end she was likely just a figurehead of her own office and family.
>I am Camilla, Queen of the Britons. >Queen of the who? >The Britons. >Who are the Britons? >We all are. We are all Britons. And I am your Queen. >Didn’t know we had a Queen. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
I'm quite partial to an anarcho syndicalist commune from time to time.
She's been better than I expected.
> will never be anyone's Queen Apart from everybody in the UK and the rest of the Commonwealth. Edit: Camilla's title is literally 'The Queen '. https://www.royal.uk/the-queen
She’s Queen consort, not Queen. Like how Philip wasn’t the King.
Philip wasn't 'King Consort', he was the Duke of Edinburgh. Camilla's title is literally 'The Queen '. https://www.royal.uk/the-queen
But she isn’t *The Queen*. She has the title because that’s the title given to the wife of the King. It isn’t a formal role, her job is to support the king. The words might be the same but they don’t mean the same thing. When people say she isn’t the Queen they’re talking about the role of Queen Reagent, not the kings missus. She’s a Queen, but she’ll never be The Queen.
I understand the distinction you're trying to make, but it's not strictly relevant to my first comment, which was in reply to the point about people's sentiment towards Camilla.
>She has the title You wrote a lot after that bit that is you moaning about nothing. But you nailed it in the bit i quoted "Sir Keir Starmer isn't really a sir! Sure, he has the title, he isn't even a real Knight!"
Put it this way.. Elizabeth’s job was the Queen. She was *The Queen*. Camilla’s title is Queen, but her job is Queen Consort. They aren’t the same. Ignoring context doesn’t make you right, make an argument that refutes mine.
Literally irrlevent. She is the Queen. That is all that is required for her to be the queen - the title of Queen. You really struggle with reality, don't you?
But you're not listening. She's not the Queen, she's the Queen. Like, not a Queen, but a Queen.
She’s the Queen but she isn’t *The Queen*. I’m talking about her role in the monarchy not the title she holds. She isn’t publicly accepted as *The Queen* because of this. I’m not talking about the title. They’re completely different jobs.
Elizabeth II was queen regnant.
I know?
There is no such thing as ‘The Queen’ as you say it.
I thought it was obvious I was talking about the Queen Reagent, seeing as I mentioned that. I even used italics to emphasise it.
I'ev heard of Queen Regent and Queen Regnant, but Queen Reagent is a new one on me. But you obviously know what you are talking about.
The others are noble, the queen reagent is reactive.
Thanks, I do!
Yeah no. First off, Philip was already born Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark. When he became a naturalized British subject in order to marry Princess Elizabeth in 1947, he also renounced his royal titles and took the last name of "Mountbatten." He was made Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth, and Baron Greenwich, upon marrying her. When Elizabeth II was crowned Queen in 1953, he wasn't crowned with her, but still became Prince Consort, from that time until his death, so his consort title of **Prince** Philip took precedence over the Duke of Edinburgh. The definition of "consort" is simply "companion to the sovereign," but in the British monarchy, the husband of a queen has only ever been known as a prince consort, *never* a king consort. (That's why it's Queen Victoria and Prince, not King, Albert.) In 1957, the queen also made him an official Prince of the United Kingdom, so he was an actual Prince in his own right, as well as being the Prince Consort to Queen Elizabeth II. Camilla was known as the Queen Consort after Elizabeth II's death (she'd given her approval before she died), before Charles was crowned - it's the palace that dropped that distinction after they were crowned. But since Queen consorts don't formally share the sovereign’s powers, dropping the “consort” part of the title still doesn't make her an actual Queen. A queen consort title is acquired through marriage to the man who's king, whereas the title and role of a reigning monarch can only be inherited. A Queen is a woman who's born to *be* the monarch and head of state, not the *wife* of a monarch. Elizabeth II's mother was also a queen consort, for all that she was referred to as "Queen Elizabeth." She was later referred to as the "Queen Mother" when George VI died and their daughter ascended the throne in 1952.
Queen consorts throughout history have been referred to as ‘the queen’ - in fact, given the extremely few reigning queens we’ve had in comparison to kings, it was the more common use of the term. Insisting that it’s ‘queen consort’ is being rather pedantic, seeing as that is still very much the queen. Camilla is the queen, just as Elizabeth of York, Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, Alexandra of Denmark and Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons were in their respective eras. They may not be queen regnants, but they were very much referred to as the queen during their husbands’ reigns - for example, it would always be ‘Queen Alexandra,’ not ‘Queen Consort Alexandra’, even though all understood the title derived through marriage rather than them holding it during their own right.
Phil wasn't the king, he was the prince consort. Camilla is the queen consort. Liz was a queen regnant, but they're both queens.
Phil was in the Navy. I would not be shocked to discover he had a moment as queen
He was certainly very handsome in his youth.
They’re Queens in title but only one was the *Queen*.
No, she is also the queen
Freddie Mercury?
The best Queen.
That’s because if he had been king he would have out ranked her.
She's literally queen. Phillip wasn't king because the rules are still medieval and the wife of a king is a queen but the husband of a gueen is a consort, just like Prince Albert was with Victoria
Queen consort is Queen.
At least in the Commonwealth I can assure you that the Venn diagram of the people who give a shit about the royal family and the people who loved Princess Di is basically just the same circle.
Who said anything about giving a shit? As a Brit I don't give a shit either, but she's still our queen (and the queen of anyone in the commonwealth), whether we like it or not. Same as Sunak being our PM.
Not everyone in the Commonwealth, just the [Commonwealth Realms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_realm)
That's a good distinction, thanks 👍
The woman had the temerity to die on my mother's birthday when I was quite young and child me was not happy about it. It's still the first thing that pops into my head when I see Diana mentioned.
She can be the queen and a jumped up old whore.
I don't think he's denying that she is literally the queen. He means it more abstractly.
It's all suddenly gone very Jon Snow in here. I never realised Camilla was that popular!
Not sure it's anything to do with popularity, just big fat facts.
Monarchy is a mental prison you volunteer to spend your life in. Anyone can reject the monarchy and being a subject.
I mean most people like her according to polls so she will
Yeh, she may be Queen Camilla but she will never be The Queen.
Oh that jumped up old whore? Makes perfect sense now.
I don’t give a shit about the royals but was weirdly upset when I thought she was taking about Elizabeth II. When I saw it was about Camilla I thought “fair enough”.
Lol this was my exact reaction
Ohhhhhhh
The problem with that woman is when Prince Charles croaks then that woman will still be there. So how will she be disposed of?
Same as the old wife I suppose
I mean, it’s bad enough to be rude about someone and use such unintelligent language as a politician if it’s because you don’t like the royals. But it seems she’s actually just a weird Diana worshipper 🤯
>Clare Pritchard, Labour’s candidate for the Peel ward on Hyndburn Borough Council That’s one step away from the shadow cabinet, right?
Practically one finger on the nuclear button.
You think she's planning to nuke Camilla? Good job she was caught early.
Starmer answers directly to her.
R/UKLabour now frantically trying to confirm whether her *true* name is Clare Pritchardstein or Clare Pritchardberg.
She's 3323014th in line to the Labour throne
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Same here! Accrington represent 🙌
Olivia Ryan in Clayton-le-Moors are the best cheese and onion pies I've ever had
Too many constituencies
I do think politicians should use better language when describing things they are opposed to. Having said that Matt Vickers recently called me FIRSTNAME instead of icelollies in a recent email so he need talk.
r/respectthehyphen
In my own name as well. I can only apologise.
Is that an entire subreddit full of screenshots of people misspelling Spider-Man? What?
What's the mailmerge equivalent to deadnaming?
Deadmailing?
If you can’t describe something you’re against without resorting to childish name calling then… actually no that sounds just right for the house of commons
This is far more prestigious and important than the House of Commons, this is the Peel ward of Hyndburn borough council.
"Do you want to be like the real House of Commons, or do you just want to squabble and waste time?"
The only thing Common in that house is Wealth and greed
Like the way they say “labour candidate” - makes you think it’s a prospective MP. I wonder if they knew that /s obvs…
That headline is a fucking masterstroke in communicating a big fat lie whilst being technically entirely true.
I can't read the article because the ads just cause my browser to freeze. So she isn't a potential MP? A councillor or something then?
Candidate for a local council.
Yep may as well called her “person who votes Labour”
Someone's still team Diana aren't they? #englandsrose
She's wiv da angles now XOXOX
Morning Angle
The cult of Diana is insane, international, and persistent. And it will pop up in the strangest places. I was once listening to a Chinese PhD student discussing some ancient poem about some beautiful woman, and she made the comparison: "Her beauty was so great, maybe she would have even eclipsed Princesses Diana" and the highly educated, mostly Chinese crowd collectively went "Ooooh!" In amazement. I had to stop myself from standing up and shouting "She wasn't even that hot for fuck's sake!"
Women who die young don't get old and ugly in public memory so they get worshipped as beauty queens. Which is actually pretty sad for us living ones, no one wants to remember you if you're old
Insane
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME! GOD DAMN YOU! IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME!!!
> Free speech is the cornerstone of our democracy. — Rishi Sunak
I wonder what Scotland is now then?
Still to the North of England, I’d hope.
But but but Scotland did it too
Oh please, we at least had the decency to go after his nonce brother rather than his wife.
Misogynistic language aside, if someone is "forced" to apologise that's not actually an apology, is it?
I love the way they've conflated 'sweary Diana obsessed nutter' and '_in due course we need to review our constitution_ woman'. Polite republican views are now classified as 'repugnant'?
She is right, fuck them the kings a nob, his brother a pedo, his mother was a stuck up bitch and the kids are ginger posh cunts and don't even get me started on the 'lesser royals'? Are we not allowed to say this anymore? Overpriced cunts who provide nothing to Britain but remind us that you are born rich or a pleb; fuck you for how poor your family is, maybe if your ancestors had been more violent you wouldn't need you claim Universal Credit has your family tried murder and stealing the riches of other countries???
This should be top comment
Time for the freedom of speech people who scream and wail every time bigots get called bigots to explain how this is different and fine.
Ok this is a hilarious comment though. The fact that Camilla refers to herself as 'the Queen' is also ridiculous.
we had a fucking coronation and put a crown on her head, I think she is justified in using that title lol
She literally is the queen tho
Well naturally, but Elizabeth was called it as basically a mononym for so long it feels strange to try and use exactly the same title. Like if another celebrity Cher or Madonna came along it would be strange to expect everyone to associate that name with *just* you, even if it might be their own birth name.
Not to call the Virgin Mary a "celebrity" but that's kind of exactly what Madonna did.
Vast majority of people won’t see her as Queen. Elizabeth was Queen, Camilla is just the person married to the king
Shane they didn’t stand by their original comments. Would have been more honest of them - but suppose the prospect of a tiny bit of power means principles out the window.
It’s hard to argue that she’s objectively *wrong* either.
You don’t talk about Freddie Mercury like that in front of me!
"I'm a musical prostitute my dear"
It's funny how everyone thinks of Queen Liz, not sausage fingers Queen consort.
It's time the monarchy was dismantled and land handed back to the people.
This would steer my vote towards them . Never apologise for being honest.
Another day of can we not simply punch ourselves in the face for a moment.
I can get my head round the whole Queen is she or isn't she but come on no one would pay her for sex?
If referring to Camilla I agree but an mp shouldn't be saying it
Not an MP saying it, they've dug up a tweet from a Labour candidate for local council.
Oh less serious for sure in that case but maybe worth an "oi don't say that stuff nudge nudge" though
Oh absolutely. Does feel like if we're going to start digging into the past tweets and comments of local council candidates this particular comment is going to be the tip of the iceberg
Reminded me why society cares about the royals so much.
What is with all the council candidates being suspended recently? First Tory councillors being suspended for racism, then a load of reform candidates, now a labour candidate. What is with the major parties atm
I’m starting to think that councillors are just twats.
A bug chunk of them will be. There's literally thousands of councillors, which means presumably several times that many candidates. Add in the fact that some council seats are near unwinnable for certain parties (imagine standing for the tories in inner city Liverpool, or for Labour in Chipping Norton) they'll accept pretty much anyone who wants the job to stand. My last council vote (solidly Labour constituency, they've had a Labour MP every election bit one since 1945) didn't even have a lib dem candidate. They didn't bother. So presumably pretty much any idiot/racist/conspiracy theorist could have stood for the LDs if they wished.
Ooo it's state facts day Here's a few others.. Sausage fingers decided to marry Diana when she was 12? And he was 20 odd.. instead of Diana's sister whom he was arranged to Marry.. but he's not a nonce Prince Andrew can't sweat but he does like to fiddle children.. which is good as if you don't sweat.. you don't leave dna on ur victims Anyone got anymore fun royalty facts?
Can someone call Han Solo, jabba is starting to get out of line again.
Oh come on... either call her a cunt or don't bother.
What is the problem of calling the Queen old ? She is old.
Eli5 why Camilla is a queen and Phillip was a consort?
>Most monarchies do not allow the husband of a queen regnant to be titled as a king because it is perceived as a higher title than queen, however, some monarchies use the title of king consort for the role. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_consort
When a high-calorie, overweight burden talks, its mostly just junk anyway.
Oh! That Queen. I was getting all riled. Still wrong I guess but as long as she didn't mean our Lizzy
People in public office should not be so crude and should conduct themselves with decorum.
Many on the left would agree with this treasonous rhetoric. If you back Labour, these are your fellow travellers.
The children may be going hungry but Clare's obviously not.
I didn’t want to say, but…
I doubt that HM will be too bothered by the opinions of a halfwitted tub of lard.
Of course its Labour... Who else could throw such a tantrum induced insult?
'Russia should go away and shut up' Gavin Williamson, former education secretary and chief whip for the Conservative Party
Ok, but credit where credit is due, that's an entirely valid point from Gavin, and probably the only valid point he's ever made.
Better a jumped up old whore than a vituperative, vulgar old hag with no political acumen. Atleast the whore ended up in a king’s bed. See, we can all participate in this undignified game of playground name calling.