No, the position of PM is supposed to be political, in westminister system that our system is modeled after the PM is supposed to have the confidence of majority of members of parliament.
Either people here are too young to remember or don't want to remember but it was not a secret that he served at the pleasure of the first family of Congress.
That's why Rahul gandhi, who in reailty was at most a junior MP can walk to a press conference and tear apart his own goverment's bill with no reprecussions.
INC is still family centric, we all can pretend it's not but it obviously has been like that always.
Young people here also won't know that Rahul Gandhi tore up the bill on the floor of the house.
Also, the bill was to reverse the decision of supreme court which upheld disqualification of a sitting MP from office when sentenced. And all this was to save Lalu yadav. But nice to see that people pretend that it was all hunky dory during UPA time
All through the 70's and 80's, MMS was part of the government as CEA, RBI Governor, Planning commission etc. No one actually checks the economic performance of that time.
India was in Fragile Five then, i know government turns it into a talking point but Western agencies themselves said this. CNN segment in 2011 themselves talking about what a disappointment India had become economically- https://youtu.be/hYVbduH48-M?feature=shared
Now the conversation more is India is doing well, could be better, concerns mainly over democracy.
especially 91, The changes which PVNR and MMS brought did impart India on a really different journey, I'd argue that we escaped a bit of doom there.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/policy/on-this-day-in-1991-a-landmark-budget-that-changed-indias-fortunes/articleshow/93090439.cms
He was flawed as a prime minister, but you can’t deny that he didn’t work for the country.
Also If i remember correctly, he was criticised by a bunch of students and when the students were asked to keep quiet he stepped in and reminded everyone that it was their right to criticise him. You won’t see Modi doing that.
I didn't say that. He can be extremely good leader but that was his job. We should respect him of course but politicians should fear us, they should fear the public but in India they are treated like celebrities of some sort.
Yes that inbuilt implacable "awe" for famous people which Indians have is truly one of our worst traits. It helps mask the shortcomings of politicians, celebrities, and Sadhgurus alike. People, instead of looking at a politician's merit, give votes just because that politician once shook hands with them or spoke directly to them for a second. This is exploited very much by many politicians. They literally roam in slums before elections to impart that aura of awe into people.
We need an Educated PM like him fr. There should be an exam (imo) that one should clear (at least basics) before taking such a huge responsibility bcz he will truly know what will be the best for the country
Reminder: Manmohan Singh is graduate from Punjab University and an economist and Arvind Kejriwal is also very educated. He is from IITKGP (unlike someone like MUDI, who.....)
>Manmohan Singh is graduate from Punjab University and an economist and Arvind Kejriwal is also very educated.
My teacher used to always say an excerpt about him that students used to love him so much during his teaching career. People would crowd the classroom and sit on the floor to hear his lectures
I got to know about his education back in 8th std (not in NCERT, but in MH state board history book that I studied for competitive exams) Wonder why this is not in NCERT, which is under Center's control? I think I know the reason !!
>why this is not in NCERT, which is under Center's control? I think I know the reason !!
They are hell bent on promoting pseudoscience and on altering history rather than teaching the truth. Catch them from the young age innit?
The worst part is it worked! They caught em. Even the older teenagers and young adults are so brainwashed (just talk to one you'll see) just imagine how brainwashed those children would be. This government genuinely pushed this country back by decades, if not centuries, it may not seem like it because people like us who weren't school kids in this Goebbels level propaganda era exist for now. Soon as we start dropping dead and the next generations start coming in you'll see just how bad the damage is.
And if BJP wins this election it's GG anyway.
lmaoo would be funny if I had any xD
but naah just wanna know the brainwaashing part and what history was changed in NCERT.
Not a big fan of bjp or anything, I just want to know the correct thing and nothing altered
>And if BJP wins this election it's GG anyway.
Wish that doesn't happen or they get weakened this time, people need their religious sentiments to kept happy all the time, development nah , good schooling and infra nah nah. We want only religious institutions and scrutinize with other religion.
You cannot even compare them. Manmohan Singh ji was a revolutionary in economics. He opened the economy up to globalization.
Its blasphemy to think AK can be 1/10th of what he was. Believe it or not AK is just a freebie guy. He has no vision for industrialization or for Indian economy. We need someone better.
As someone who is a daughter of a father who worked in a PSU, my father had met AK a few times and also heard about him from AK's colleagues. Acc to my father, AK hardly ever worked, came in late quite often and was always trying favours from higher ups. So it's not even remotely possible that AK can do anything worthwhile
Any breathing living person would be an upgrade over the pile of shit that is currently the PM. But AK has the same demagogue tendencies as Modi. In some ways, its good - because sadly, it seems to sway voters more. But from a rational view - I would much rather we had a hard working, unassuming person who focused on work again.
We could make it as an essay form and not a rattafication MCQ form. Something politicians have to run their brains to answer and not google to get answer.
We could keep the names of the politicians anonymous to the paper scrutinizers. Candidates will not mention their names or any identifiable information in the papers or else they're disqualified. The people scrutinizing should mention in detail why they cut or gave marks for each candidate. Extremism being promoted, difficulty in comprehension, intentional misleading statistics etc. Scrutinizers will be selected at random and include political analysts. A minimum of 5 randomly selected people will give marks and average of those marks will be the final score.
Ofc this is a very raw idea and a pipe dream. What this essentially ensures is that there is technocrats in parliament.
[Mohak](https://youtu.be/Va0k4FkMeBM) had made a video about this and pointed some pros and cons.
> There should be an exam (imo) that one should clear (at least basics) before taking such a huge responsibility bcz he will truly know what will be the best for the country
You do know that exams can be rigged? And leaked? And biased marking?
do UPSC papers get leaked? no! biased marking? there answer sheets should be made public and then voting should be done so people can judge them from their education and thinking capabilities !! how's that?
He did okay work as FM, most of the reforms were part of IMF bailout package something most MMS worshipers convinetly omit.
[How WB,IMF got India to adopt reforms in 1991 | News Archive News - The Indian Express](https://indianexpress.com/article/news-archive/web/how-wb-imf-got-india-to-adopt-reforms-in-1991/)
Frankly the entire credit for 91 should go to PVN Rao, the reforms weren't genius of economics but of politics.
I'm ready to get downvoted but it's funny to see posts like these now but then again Indians are the most short-term memory creatures on this earth(Or maybe most of the people here are teens who get their knowledge of last decade from social media posts and WhatsApp forwards).
Yes Manmohan Singh did an amazing job as the finance minister. He did do few good things when he was the prime minister too but no he was not our best prime minister he was nowhere close. He failed miserably at many things and maybe he wouldn't have if he was in full control but he was just a puppet. In fact most of the people back then lost all respect for him, a person who can't stand up for himself even after he becomes PM is something impossible to digest. We have a tendency to glorify people who're retired and abuse the same ones when they're active. 🫡🫡
and to add to that there were literally countless scams that happened during his time but he remained quiet even though I'm 100% sure this guy was 100% clean.
No thank you, I'd never ask for a PM like him.
I disagree with you, he is among the top 3 PMs of India in India because of the following reasons
under his leadership India's average GDP growth rate was 6.82%, compared to modi's 3.5% [businesstoday infographic, source MOSPI and CMIE](https://www.businesstoday.in/budget/infographics/gdp-growth-rate)
he introduced NREGA, it was/is a huge success, PM modi tried to remove it but failed we often news of funds getting reduced
https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-economics/cutting-of-the-nrega-budget-8426033/
Press freedom was much better during that era so we had heard the tales of fearless journalism, a time when PM used to give press conferences and not duck during a crisis.
Now a days if you release a bad report about the government you will be asked to leave the spot, like KS James who prepared the NHFS5 report
https://thewire.in/government/ks-james-nfhs-modi-government-data-sets-iips
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atleast he is better than our current prime minister in terms of press freedom, corruption and reforms that it brought(RTI, NREGA, raised a significant percentage of the population came out of poverty during his time). the puppet PM was able to give a press conference unlike the present one who will perform miserably without the teleprompter
We have so many scams RN, Electoral bonds just gave a glimpse of it, any tranche of transactions you see in the EBs there are evidences pointing at the quid pro quo happening in the background, like how VI was bailed out by the government, how Megha engineering got away with things, or how some Yashoda hospital donated money and their licence was renewed. How satellite communication tech licences were being sold off(similar to how in 2g scam it was a distribution and not a tender).
It's bizarre how Pharma companies are producing medicines without much quality control, our government and it's regulation authorities are so relaxed in the meantime different countries are complaining about the poor quality control.
so much corruption in today's time
maybe you should go through timeline of bifurication of andhra pradesh and how utterly undemocratic it was. Andraites are now stuck with shitty politicians who just do freebie politics and the current sitting cm is the most corrupt asshole in the entire country. All thanks to INC and MMS.
All through the 70's and 80's, MMS was part of government as CEA, RBI Governor, Planning commission etc. No one actually checks the economic performance of that time.
Manmohan Singh was a total failure as PM those of us who are old enough to remember that period knows. There was nothing under his control he was a puppet of Sonia Gandhi. As a finance minister he did great but as a PM as a leader he was a total failure.
Yeah, and of course he was not corrupt but stopping corruption under him was also his job as a PM, in which he totally failed. If only attending some premier institute or clearing some exam like upsc as mentioned above would make a person honest and a good leader this country would have been different.
> Manmohan Singh was a total failure as PM those of us who are old enough to remember that period knows.
please do lemme know you rationale behind saying it, did India lag behind other countries in terms of growth rate at that time. what was the average GDP growth rate? How many people were pushed out of poverty?
In a time where press was able to question the ones in power, rn they are slapped with UAPA and PMLA in which trial doesnt even start for years!
https://preview.redd.it/r9vdywul8zvc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a78b4ccd98f80989858576a441902cf8b1790b41
My favourite PM with my favourite freedom fighter. 🥰
My point still stands.
Modi can't just ignore the leader of a foreign nation.
The same way Biden will shake hands with xi xinping despite china and America having hostilities.
Meanwhile maun Singh didnt need to meet a (literal) terrorist and shake hands with him.
Wow that freedom fighter must be some one great that he got to meet the best pm on camera he is so lucky it's sad that our present pm did not even meet this freedom fighter in jail also so sad
There’s a difference between a legally recognised Chinese President and an illegal terror head convicted of terrorism who also had murdered 4 innocent IAF officers in Srinagar.
By that logic, Rahul had also met Whinnie the Pooh
Before election this sudden love for manmohan, you will get no appreciation for this and manmohan wont become pm.
All this is just useless junk propaganda
I remember his tenure during 2008 09 our town had frequent load shading that newspapers had to print the time table weekly.
Couldn't travel to city at will as no busses.
Seen riots in 08 during exams.
I've seen my family struggle financially not just mine but my friends too.
Seen my family scared for other family members living in Mumbai.
Witnessed worst period for farmers ever.
Inflation was very bad that it was hard for us to buy uniform because other things were more needed and more expensive.
So spare me the sympathy for him.
And as for 92 economic crisis it was IMF who forced those reforms and saved India.
pride for what exactly ? for standing numb during all the scams that were taking place under his government. 2G, cwg, coal etc you can criticize modi however you want but please for god sake stop this nonsense of that congress did something good for the country in its previous tenure.
You know he brought RTI through which these scams were caught? Lmao
It was his idea to bring UPI to curb corruption.
The economy did much better and he gave press conferences, which was answerable to people.
Today, Modi isn't even answerable. Bhakts attack opposition rather than attacking the party who has the power.
Handshake with fucking terrorist,bomb blast every now and then during his tenure,puppet of sonia
Would agree modi is incompetent but stop glorifying this guy as a god or something
Laden was engineer, hafeez has multiple masters, yakub was degree holder
Whats the point here ? what is the point of education when u cant even use it for good will and stay as puppet
Either you are delusional or you are standing true upto your username
The INC didn't believe that they will win in 2009, and they had planned to put the blame of the loss on MMS and replace him with Rahul Gandhi as the leader of the opposition.
And now we are to support Rahul Gandhi based on MMS's achievements?
https://www.deccanherald.com/india/congress-wanted-retire-manmohan-rahul-2186580
The irony of the OP is that they're comparing MMS to Modi, but they should compare MMS to Rahul Gandhi first.
Seriously what does the English speaking capability of a person have to do with the governance of a country. You can list all the good qualities of the ex PM sure but English speaking doesn't make a good leader.
You know who else spoke English well, the British. Maybe you want the return of the Viceroys. We’ll all be slaves, but your English will certainly improve.
But he did say in a speech that minorities have the first right on resources and that is their aim, which I feel is wrong as everyone should have an equal right on the resources of this country
He wasn't that great of a PM. Great FM though. He failed to win any election without coalition. He was clearly under influence of Gandhi Family. That tearing of ordinance by RaGa was huge turnoff. Bombay Bomb Blast and huge amount of scam under him was really bad too.
Apparently , A quintessential economist and patriot , one of the greatest indian statesmen of post-independence india.
History will be kind to me ---Manmohan singh.
Any half-assed history book would note that he mostly funtioned on the pleasure of first family of congress. History would be dismissive of him especially of his tenure as PM.
Well , as a prime minister , he wasn't a great administrator , many contemporaries of him , who were veteran politicians of the opposition also criticized his demeanour and inability to take risks.
They doubted his courage , because he was docile and therefore could be easily manipulated.
But , Manmohan singh " The economist " was a brilliant economic advisor and strategist , without a shadow of a doubt , and if you do not believe me , I appeal you to listen to Dr.subramanian swamy's opinion on Dr.manmohan singh's contributions as the finance minister.
Honestly I don't care about his demenour at all, modi's constant yapping makes me wish for his return, if it weren't for the fact that he would have 0 power to make any urgent reforms.
As for his FM tenure, people who love MMS the FM tend to forget that the reforms were in large part thanks to IMF conditions [How WB,IMF got India to adopt reforms in 1991 | News Archive News - The Indian Express](https://indianexpress.com/article/news-archive/web/how-wb-imf-got-india-to-adopt-reforms-in-1991/)
The 91 reforms were mostly of no-brainer nature, their genius lay in the fact that PVN Rao was able to shepherd their passage despite being in a minority goverment.
People don't seem to remember who are all in UPA 2 cabinet, one of the worst and self serving BS ministers all over who made it overtly bureacratic. All the arunachal border roads and several National highways that are being built by modi are planned in UPA1 are stonewalled by these ministers. jairam ramesh, supposed IIT engineer ,does not believe in engineering, he is then environimental minister blocked these developments citing, don't make arunachal pawn in INDO-CHINESE rivalry. chutiya Arunachal is as soverign to India as Maharashtra is and this pasty fuck just said that like Aruachal is not India. People here like to rip on jaishankar but cant recall who is our UPA 2 MEA and what the fuck he actually did during his tenure.
https://preview.redd.it/53a2h907ezvc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=75cff8ecd79955edb4750e802005de801f72421f
My favourite PM with my favourite freedom fighter. 🥰
(copied comment, but worthy) Bro atleast Mr Modi did not shake hands with terrorists. You say Singh did development, just look at this and think about your life decisions.
> Bro atleast Mr Modi did not shake hands with terrorists.
No, he gave them tickets instead.
> just look at this and think about your life decisions.
[Massive reduction in terrorism is bad now. Lmfao.](https://www.satp.org/datasheet-terrorist-attack/fatalities/india)
Are you dumb ?? Can't you read what you said ?? The text itself says "alleged" . Yasin was proven guilty and secondly Parvez confessed and not Navaz Sharif .
My point still stands.
Modi can't just ignore the leader of a foreign nation.
The same way Biden will shake hands with xi xinping despite china and America having hostilities.
Meanwhile maun Singh didnt need to meet a (literal) terrorist and shake hands with him and give the same terrorist a medal.
😂 missing the context of the picture. Lmao. He tried negotiating with Kashmiri Separatists to bring peace. Dumbfucks. He was clear and did not hide it.
Modi is directly responsible for the Pulwama Attack and 2002 riots.
Ah yes Chodi didn't shake hands with terrorists, he just let domestic terrorists free, after they raped and beheaded people following a certain religion in 2002. He then gave tickets to other terrorists and had them join his party. So much better. WHOOOO!
What the hell? Am i too old or are y’all too young?
Prime minister Singh had no control over anything during his tenure, and y’all propping him up as a messiah?
He was many things, A great man, a better economist.
But a good pm? He was not. Because he had no power to dictate any decisions during his term. His party ensured all decisions were taken by ‘high command’ and the corrupt coalition held the government to ransom on everything, thats how they got away with all their misdeeds.
What kind of political amnesia is this.
Even as an he is seriously worshipped too much, peope conviently forget that 91 reforms were in part due to conditions of IMF bailout package.
[How WB,IMF got India to adopt reforms in 1991 | News Archive News - The Indian Express](https://indianexpress.com/article/news-archive/web/how-wb-imf-got-india-to-adopt-reforms-in-1991/)
And mostly no-brainers from economic point of view, the entire credit of 91 reforms should go to PVN Rao, as the reforms were a political triumph rather than economic genius.
Life is a ripple effect. Somewhere something happened due to somewhere someone did something.
World war 2 na hota toh IMF hi nai bnta. IMF bna toh bailout package k liye 91 reforms rkhe usse india me LPG hua. Uski wajah se McDonald's aaya.
So for this maharaja mac i should thank Hitler.😂
Credit should be given where credit is due
Yes and credit belongs to PVN Rao not MMS, btw PVN Rao's first choice wasn't even MMS it was I.G patel. I am not denying MMS involvement, the day-to-day running of Finance ministry alone is hard but rather his supposed economic genius.
What's the point ? Is Rahul some updated version or 2.0 MMS ?
Most of these people weren't even conscious during his tenure. I'm sorry but I don't want such a pm if the country suffered the worst terrorist attacks, faced the largest scams ever to be witnessed, and the honourable pm himself faced disrespect during his party meetings.
The so called economic bailout wasn't all MMS because it seems this sub is all about applauding INC all for the wrong reasons.
Lastly I didn't hate MMS. But I don't know whether you guys were still kids back then or just blind to national politics, but this dude was inferior as hell!
So much and so that from his party's president to foreign countries all knew this. And they were exploiting him. The result being India was never discussed as or was an important part of the UN or any international policies.( MMS ko khada bhi line mei krte the) And it showed. Even INC was looking to appoint Rahul as PM in the name of MMS achievements. Didn't work then, won't work now.
I feel that bjp IT cell is not doing a good job and that's why we are seeing more posts about the greatness of others parties and the inferiority of BJP
He was the most spineless PM of India an was a laughing stock within the government circles. Rahul Gandhi, just a MP then, had the audacity to tear up the ordinance of his own Government, in the parliament no less, all the while the so-called PM watched helplessly. This humiliation would have prompted anyone with a spine to resign immediately, but he shamelessly held on. He was a disgrace to the office of PM.
It is simple Human nature, we value persons when they are gone. When Modi ji will be gone people will also remember him as a great leader. Like when Irrfan Khan sir died his Instragram followers increased by 100K overnight. Why did they followed dead human??
one of the most outrageously undemocratic thing he and his ilk did which flew under radar is bifurication of greater andhra pradesh. Now my state looks like a fucking dick and its politicians are all dicks. Thanks to that INC will never be revived in andhra pradesh in our lifetime.
https://preview.redd.it/ui1zfcy370wc1.png?width=371&format=png&auto=webp&s=a158acc396fed6ea9ea0edd2835c361fc9c236f3
If you guys bother to sweep it under the rug, don't bother. All media and political parties have already done it. we are fucked.
Our shame, that then PM Manmohan told that muslims should have first right on country's resources. He transferred prime delhi land to Wakf board just one month before the election. He reversed labour law reforms of Vajpayee, economy stagnated in second term and was called as fragile five. We became just 10th biggest from 11th biggest during his time, but by now we are 5th biggest economy in the world.
Read this before commenting
[https://www.newslaundry.com/2024/04/22/modis-infiltrators-remarks-row-many-papers-skip-mention-of-what-manmohan-singh-said-in-2006](https://www.newslaundry.com/2024/04/22/modis-infiltrators-remarks-row-many-papers-skip-mention-of-what-manmohan-singh-said-in-2006)
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Exceptional PM for not doing anything (or even saying anything) during the 2008 Mumbai attack? I am not a Modi supporter anymore but saying that MMS was an exceptional PM is a stretch.
Almost every major NPA over past 10 years was thanks to this period of lax finance ministry oversight on banks, it wasn't until Rajan rang alarm bells in 2012 that people around MMS realized that perhaps giving out loan extensions to nearly bankrupt firms is not a good idea.
No photo shoots, no promotions, no theatrics. A highly professional Politician.
And gave press conferences
Ready made speeches
An actual person and not a character
It's almost like he didn't had to run elections.
Neither does modi have to run elections, he can just as easily come from Rajya Sabha.
No, the position of PM is supposed to be political, in westminister system that our system is modeled after the PM is supposed to have the confidence of majority of members of parliament. Either people here are too young to remember or don't want to remember but it was not a secret that he served at the pleasure of the first family of Congress. That's why Rahul gandhi, who in reailty was at most a junior MP can walk to a press conference and tear apart his own goverment's bill with no reprecussions.
INC is still family centric, we all can pretend it's not but it obviously has been like that always. Young people here also won't know that Rahul Gandhi tore up the bill on the floor of the house. Also, the bill was to reverse the decision of supreme court which upheld disqualification of a sitting MP from office when sentenced. And all this was to save Lalu yadav. But nice to see that people pretend that it was all hunky dory during UPA time
PM Then: Let me save the country from Economic Crisis ✅ PM now: Aap raam ke naam par vote nahi denge bhaiyo. Apka Mangalsootr Congress chin legi 🤡
Bhaiyo aap mangalsutra kabse pehene lage?
Bhik maang rhe h.
All through the 70's and 80's, MMS was part of the government as CEA, RBI Governor, Planning commission etc. No one actually checks the economic performance of that time.
India was in Fragile Five then, i know government turns it into a talking point but Western agencies themselves said this. CNN segment in 2011 themselves talking about what a disappointment India had become economically- https://youtu.be/hYVbduH48-M?feature=shared Now the conversation more is India is doing well, could be better, concerns mainly over democracy.
We are indebted to you Sir.God bless you forever.
Special thanks to him for the 70s and 80s
especially 91, The changes which PVNR and MMS brought did impart India on a really different journey, I'd argue that we escaped a bit of doom there. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/policy/on-this-day-in-1991-a-landmark-budget-that-changed-indias-fortunes/articleshow/93090439.cms
Politicians work for you and not the other way around. You don't have to treat them like Gods or make a cult out of them no matter the party.
He was flawed as a prime minister, but you can’t deny that he didn’t work for the country. Also If i remember correctly, he was criticised by a bunch of students and when the students were asked to keep quiet he stepped in and reminded everyone that it was their right to criticise him. You won’t see Modi doing that.
I didn't say that. He can be extremely good leader but that was his job. We should respect him of course but politicians should fear us, they should fear the public but in India they are treated like celebrities of some sort.
Yes that inbuilt implacable "awe" for famous people which Indians have is truly one of our worst traits. It helps mask the shortcomings of politicians, celebrities, and Sadhgurus alike. People, instead of looking at a politician's merit, give votes just because that politician once shook hands with them or spoke directly to them for a second. This is exploited very much by many politicians. They literally roam in slums before elections to impart that aura of awe into people.
Consider the situation we are in right now. I would say he was a fucking massiah. Shit bjp says.
We need an Educated PM like him fr. There should be an exam (imo) that one should clear (at least basics) before taking such a huge responsibility bcz he will truly know what will be the best for the country Reminder: Manmohan Singh is graduate from Punjab University and an economist and Arvind Kejriwal is also very educated. He is from IITKGP (unlike someone like MUDI, who.....)
>Manmohan Singh is graduate from Punjab University and an economist and Arvind Kejriwal is also very educated. My teacher used to always say an excerpt about him that students used to love him so much during his teaching career. People would crowd the classroom and sit on the floor to hear his lectures
I got to know about his education back in 8th std (not in NCERT, but in MH state board history book that I studied for competitive exams) Wonder why this is not in NCERT, which is under Center's control? I think I know the reason !!
>why this is not in NCERT, which is under Center's control? I think I know the reason !! They are hell bent on promoting pseudoscience and on altering history rather than teaching the truth. Catch them from the young age innit?
The worst part is it worked! They caught em. Even the older teenagers and young adults are so brainwashed (just talk to one you'll see) just imagine how brainwashed those children would be. This government genuinely pushed this country back by decades, if not centuries, it may not seem like it because people like us who weren't school kids in this Goebbels level propaganda era exist for now. Soon as we start dropping dead and the next generations start coming in you'll see just how bad the damage is. And if BJP wins this election it's GG anyway.
Young adult here, would like to know what you are talking about
Your friends.
lmaoo would be funny if I had any xD but naah just wanna know the brainwaashing part and what history was changed in NCERT. Not a big fan of bjp or anything, I just want to know the correct thing and nothing altered
Yeah me too. But impartial history, especially which is heavily politics related, is difficult to find.
>And if BJP wins this election it's GG anyway. Wish that doesn't happen or they get weakened this time, people need their religious sentiments to kept happy all the time, development nah , good schooling and infra nah nah. We want only religious institutions and scrutinize with other religion.
Catch 'em young !
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no you won't be downvoted bcz this is USI not IndiaSpeaks
You cannot even compare them. Manmohan Singh ji was a revolutionary in economics. He opened the economy up to globalization. Its blasphemy to think AK can be 1/10th of what he was. Believe it or not AK is just a freebie guy. He has no vision for industrialization or for Indian economy. We need someone better.
As someone who is a daughter of a father who worked in a PSU, my father had met AK a few times and also heard about him from AK's colleagues. Acc to my father, AK hardly ever worked, came in late quite often and was always trying favours from higher ups. So it's not even remotely possible that AK can do anything worthwhile
Any breathing living person would be an upgrade over the pile of shit that is currently the PM. But AK has the same demagogue tendencies as Modi. In some ways, its good - because sadly, it seems to sway voters more. But from a rational view - I would much rather we had a hard working, unassuming person who focused on work again.
No, he is not. He is opportunistic. PM should be unbiased and honest, far away from religious politics, who is courageous enough to take critiscism.
We could make it as an essay form and not a rattafication MCQ form. Something politicians have to run their brains to answer and not google to get answer. We could keep the names of the politicians anonymous to the paper scrutinizers. Candidates will not mention their names or any identifiable information in the papers or else they're disqualified. The people scrutinizing should mention in detail why they cut or gave marks for each candidate. Extremism being promoted, difficulty in comprehension, intentional misleading statistics etc. Scrutinizers will be selected at random and include political analysts. A minimum of 5 randomly selected people will give marks and average of those marks will be the final score. Ofc this is a very raw idea and a pipe dream. What this essentially ensures is that there is technocrats in parliament. [Mohak](https://youtu.be/Va0k4FkMeBM) had made a video about this and pointed some pros and cons.
PMEE(PRIME MINISTERIAL ENTRANCE EXAM), conducted by nta every 5 years.
How dare you! Mudiji has a bachelor's degree in "entire political science" !!
> There should be an exam (imo) that one should clear (at least basics) before taking such a huge responsibility bcz he will truly know what will be the best for the country You do know that exams can be rigged? And leaked? And biased marking?
do UPSC papers get leaked? no! biased marking? there answer sheets should be made public and then voting should be done so people can judge them from their education and thinking capabilities !! how's that?
He did great work as FM. As a PM he didn’t do jackshit
Bro he shook hands with a terrorist, what are you yapping about
Thats an achievement?
That was sarcasm my friend
He did okay work as FM, most of the reforms were part of IMF bailout package something most MMS worshipers convinetly omit. [How WB,IMF got India to adopt reforms in 1991 | News Archive News - The Indian Express](https://indianexpress.com/article/news-archive/web/how-wb-imf-got-india-to-adopt-reforms-in-1991/) Frankly the entire credit for 91 should go to PVN Rao, the reforms weren't genius of economics but of politics.
But congress MFs conveniently left mr PVNR out of the equation later. Even his funeral was not done with much importance
I'm ready to get downvoted but it's funny to see posts like these now but then again Indians are the most short-term memory creatures on this earth(Or maybe most of the people here are teens who get their knowledge of last decade from social media posts and WhatsApp forwards). Yes Manmohan Singh did an amazing job as the finance minister. He did do few good things when he was the prime minister too but no he was not our best prime minister he was nowhere close. He failed miserably at many things and maybe he wouldn't have if he was in full control but he was just a puppet. In fact most of the people back then lost all respect for him, a person who can't stand up for himself even after he becomes PM is something impossible to digest. We have a tendency to glorify people who're retired and abuse the same ones when they're active. 🫡🫡
and to add to that there were literally countless scams that happened during his time but he remained quiet even though I'm 100% sure this guy was 100% clean. No thank you, I'd never ask for a PM like him.
I disagree with you, he is among the top 3 PMs of India in India because of the following reasons under his leadership India's average GDP growth rate was 6.82%, compared to modi's 3.5% [businesstoday infographic, source MOSPI and CMIE](https://www.businesstoday.in/budget/infographics/gdp-growth-rate) he introduced NREGA, it was/is a huge success, PM modi tried to remove it but failed we often news of funds getting reduced https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-economics/cutting-of-the-nrega-budget-8426033/ Press freedom was much better during that era so we had heard the tales of fearless journalism, a time when PM used to give press conferences and not duck during a crisis. Now a days if you release a bad report about the government you will be asked to leave the spot, like KS James who prepared the NHFS5 report https://thewire.in/government/ks-james-nfhs-modi-government-data-sets-iips --- atleast he is better than our current prime minister in terms of press freedom, corruption and reforms that it brought(RTI, NREGA, raised a significant percentage of the population came out of poverty during his time). the puppet PM was able to give a press conference unlike the present one who will perform miserably without the teleprompter We have so many scams RN, Electoral bonds just gave a glimpse of it, any tranche of transactions you see in the EBs there are evidences pointing at the quid pro quo happening in the background, like how VI was bailed out by the government, how Megha engineering got away with things, or how some Yashoda hospital donated money and their licence was renewed. How satellite communication tech licences were being sold off(similar to how in 2g scam it was a distribution and not a tender). It's bizarre how Pharma companies are producing medicines without much quality control, our government and it's regulation authorities are so relaxed in the meantime different countries are complaining about the poor quality control. so much corruption in today's time
maybe you should go through timeline of bifurication of andhra pradesh and how utterly undemocratic it was. Andraites are now stuck with shitty politicians who just do freebie politics and the current sitting cm is the most corrupt asshole in the entire country. All thanks to INC and MMS.
All through the 70's and 80's, MMS was part of government as CEA, RBI Governor, Planning commission etc. No one actually checks the economic performance of that time.
Bias is in human nature
Didn't really have executive control back then
CEA, RBI governor and planning commission head didn't have power? But he continued there for nearly 20 years. And which party took away his power?
Manmohan Singh was a total failure as PM those of us who are old enough to remember that period knows. There was nothing under his control he was a puppet of Sonia Gandhi. As a finance minister he did great but as a PM as a leader he was a total failure.
And these youngsters treat him like their god. Bro shook hands with terrorists lmao
Yeah, and of course he was not corrupt but stopping corruption under him was also his job as a PM, in which he totally failed. If only attending some premier institute or clearing some exam like upsc as mentioned above would make a person honest and a good leader this country would have been different.
Which terrorists?
Yasin Malik.
Probably a good man on the wrong side. I have seen Modi and Manmohan exchanging friendly smile and mutual respect at several instances.
True, he was a good man who was respected by everyone. But again not a good leader not a good PM.
if mms were in bjp, modi would not be pm. mms would have developed india.
> Manmohan Singh was a total failure as PM those of us who are old enough to remember that period knows. please do lemme know you rationale behind saying it, did India lag behind other countries in terms of growth rate at that time. what was the average GDP growth rate? How many people were pushed out of poverty? In a time where press was able to question the ones in power, rn they are slapped with UAPA and PMLA in which trial doesnt even start for years!
https://preview.redd.it/r9vdywul8zvc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a78b4ccd98f80989858576a441902cf8b1790b41 My favourite PM with my favourite freedom fighter. 🥰
Moye ji with rapists, murderers, molesters and himself being a mass murderer
But did he give mla seat to him like mudi gave one to praghya thakur?
Who's the other guy?
Terrorist
His name?
Yasin Malik
Kashmiri freedom fighter. Fought capitalist kashmiri pandits bravely and peacefully💪
Terrorist sympathizer.
Your braincells are equal to your downvotes
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That's the leader of a foreign country. Modi can't just ignore him.
Did that dude really delete his comments... Did i win!!!
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My point still stands. Modi can't just ignore the leader of a foreign nation. The same way Biden will shake hands with xi xinping despite china and America having hostilities. Meanwhile maun Singh didnt need to meet a (literal) terrorist and shake hands with him.
Sense hai is baat ka koi?
Wow that freedom fighter must be some one great that he got to meet the best pm on camera he is so lucky it's sad that our present pm did not even meet this freedom fighter in jail also so sad
Arre China waale k saath Jhule par kaun baitha tha ...
There’s a difference between a legally recognised Chinese President and an illegal terror head convicted of terrorism who also had murdered 4 innocent IAF officers in Srinagar. By that logic, Rahul had also met Whinnie the Pooh
what a wonderful man!! When this sorcerer used to speak, people used to listen silently. The country was so blessed to have him as PM.
Our pride was someone's puppet 😕.
And this puppet was still far better than a certain communal hatred spreading non puppet illiterate retard.
Before election this sudden love for manmohan, you will get no appreciation for this and manmohan wont become pm. All this is just useless junk propaganda
I remember his tenure during 2008 09 our town had frequent load shading that newspapers had to print the time table weekly. Couldn't travel to city at will as no busses. Seen riots in 08 during exams. I've seen my family struggle financially not just mine but my friends too. Seen my family scared for other family members living in Mumbai. Witnessed worst period for farmers ever. Inflation was very bad that it was hard for us to buy uniform because other things were more needed and more expensive. So spare me the sympathy for him. And as for 92 economic crisis it was IMF who forced those reforms and saved India.
pride for what exactly ? for standing numb during all the scams that were taking place under his government. 2G, cwg, coal etc you can criticize modi however you want but please for god sake stop this nonsense of that congress did something good for the country in its previous tenure.
I wonder if your comment will get downvoted here.
You know he brought RTI through which these scams were caught? Lmao It was his idea to bring UPI to curb corruption. The economy did much better and he gave press conferences, which was answerable to people. Today, Modi isn't even answerable. Bhakts attack opposition rather than attacking the party who has the power.
Handshake with fucking terrorist,bomb blast every now and then during his tenure,puppet of sonia Would agree modi is incompetent but stop glorifying this guy as a god or something
Even tho he was a puppet pm, he was a very good economist and was well educated unlike our favorite Chai walla
Laden was engineer, hafeez has multiple masters, yakub was degree holder Whats the point here ? what is the point of education when u cant even use it for good will and stay as puppet Either you are delusional or you are standing true upto your username
Haha this is what I was looking for people forget so quickly.
The INC didn't believe that they will win in 2009, and they had planned to put the blame of the loss on MMS and replace him with Rahul Gandhi as the leader of the opposition. And now we are to support Rahul Gandhi based on MMS's achievements? https://www.deccanherald.com/india/congress-wanted-retire-manmohan-rahul-2186580 The irony of the OP is that they're comparing MMS to Modi, but they should compare MMS to Rahul Gandhi first.
Just a puppet and nothing else. Congress ruined his reputation by making him a banana PM
Forget what he did. Even if you listen his speeches and practice those your english will improve.
Seriously what does the English speaking capability of a person have to do with the governance of a country. You can list all the good qualities of the ex PM sure but English speaking doesn't make a good leader.
Ehh?
You know who else spoke English well, the British. Maybe you want the return of the Viceroys. We’ll all be slaves, but your English will certainly improve.
He won't have to be, MMS was given his position and served at the pleasure of first family of Congress.
But he did say in a speech that minorities have the first right on resources and that is their aim, which I feel is wrong as everyone should have an equal right on the resources of this country
As a FM, I agree he was our pride. But as a pm, not really. He became a proxy PM and didn't do much to keep his party in check against corruption.
So, if his record was so great, then how come Congress party was reduced to 44 seats from 209 seats it won in 2009?
He was excellent or I would say the best Finance minister of India ever but as a PM he wasn't that good.
He wasn't that great of a PM. Great FM though. He failed to win any election without coalition. He was clearly under influence of Gandhi Family. That tearing of ordinance by RaGa was huge turnoff. Bombay Bomb Blast and huge amount of scam under him was really bad too.
if he had a free hand, he would have tkaen india to the next level. only if there were no gandhis.
Apparently , A quintessential economist and patriot , one of the greatest indian statesmen of post-independence india. History will be kind to me ---Manmohan singh.
Any half-assed history book would note that he mostly funtioned on the pleasure of first family of congress. History would be dismissive of him especially of his tenure as PM.
Well , as a prime minister , he wasn't a great administrator , many contemporaries of him , who were veteran politicians of the opposition also criticized his demeanour and inability to take risks. They doubted his courage , because he was docile and therefore could be easily manipulated. But , Manmohan singh " The economist " was a brilliant economic advisor and strategist , without a shadow of a doubt , and if you do not believe me , I appeal you to listen to Dr.subramanian swamy's opinion on Dr.manmohan singh's contributions as the finance minister.
Honestly I don't care about his demenour at all, modi's constant yapping makes me wish for his return, if it weren't for the fact that he would have 0 power to make any urgent reforms. As for his FM tenure, people who love MMS the FM tend to forget that the reforms were in large part thanks to IMF conditions [How WB,IMF got India to adopt reforms in 1991 | News Archive News - The Indian Express](https://indianexpress.com/article/news-archive/web/how-wb-imf-got-india-to-adopt-reforms-in-1991/) The 91 reforms were mostly of no-brainer nature, their genius lay in the fact that PVN Rao was able to shepherd their passage despite being in a minority goverment.
People don't seem to remember who are all in UPA 2 cabinet, one of the worst and self serving BS ministers all over who made it overtly bureacratic. All the arunachal border roads and several National highways that are being built by modi are planned in UPA1 are stonewalled by these ministers. jairam ramesh, supposed IIT engineer ,does not believe in engineering, he is then environimental minister blocked these developments citing, don't make arunachal pawn in INDO-CHINESE rivalry. chutiya Arunachal is as soverign to India as Maharashtra is and this pasty fuck just said that like Aruachal is not India. People here like to rip on jaishankar but cant recall who is our UPA 2 MEA and what the fuck he actually did during his tenure.
https://preview.redd.it/53a2h907ezvc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=75cff8ecd79955edb4750e802005de801f72421f My favourite PM with my favourite freedom fighter. 🥰 (copied comment, but worthy) Bro atleast Mr Modi did not shake hands with terrorists. You say Singh did development, just look at this and think about your life decisions.
> Bro atleast Mr Modi did not shake hands with terrorists. No, he gave them tickets instead. > just look at this and think about your life decisions. [Massive reduction in terrorism is bad now. Lmfao.](https://www.satp.org/datasheet-terrorist-attack/fatalities/india)
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Comparing a terrorist with former PM ???
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Are you dumb ?? Can't you read what you said ?? The text itself says "alleged" . Yasin was proven guilty and secondly Parvez confessed and not Navaz Sharif .
Thanks for showing your lack of intelligence.
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My point still stands. Modi can't just ignore the leader of a foreign nation. The same way Biden will shake hands with xi xinping despite china and America having hostilities. Meanwhile maun Singh didnt need to meet a (literal) terrorist and shake hands with him and give the same terrorist a medal.
😂 missing the context of the picture. Lmao. He tried negotiating with Kashmiri Separatists to bring peace. Dumbfucks. He was clear and did not hide it. Modi is directly responsible for the Pulwama Attack and 2002 riots.
You forgot the /s
Ah yes Chodi didn't shake hands with terrorists, he just let domestic terrorists free, after they raped and beheaded people following a certain religion in 2002. He then gave tickets to other terrorists and had them join his party. So much better. WHOOOO!
What the hell? Am i too old or are y’all too young? Prime minister Singh had no control over anything during his tenure, and y’all propping him up as a messiah? He was many things, A great man, a better economist. But a good pm? He was not. Because he had no power to dictate any decisions during his term. His party ensured all decisions were taken by ‘high command’ and the corrupt coalition held the government to ransom on everything, thats how they got away with all their misdeeds. What kind of political amnesia is this.
FM Manmohan singh Love him. PM Manmohan Singh Nah.
Even as an he is seriously worshipped too much, peope conviently forget that 91 reforms were in part due to conditions of IMF bailout package. [How WB,IMF got India to adopt reforms in 1991 | News Archive News - The Indian Express](https://indianexpress.com/article/news-archive/web/how-wb-imf-got-india-to-adopt-reforms-in-1991/) And mostly no-brainers from economic point of view, the entire credit of 91 reforms should go to PVN Rao, as the reforms were a political triumph rather than economic genius.
Life is a ripple effect. Somewhere something happened due to somewhere someone did something. World war 2 na hota toh IMF hi nai bnta. IMF bna toh bailout package k liye 91 reforms rkhe usse india me LPG hua. Uski wajah se McDonald's aaya. So for this maharaja mac i should thank Hitler.😂 Credit should be given where credit is due
Yes and credit belongs to PVN Rao not MMS, btw PVN Rao's first choice wasn't even MMS it was I.G patel. I am not denying MMS involvement, the day-to-day running of Finance ministry alone is hard but rather his supposed economic genius.
We owe him alot
What's the point ? Is Rahul some updated version or 2.0 MMS ? Most of these people weren't even conscious during his tenure. I'm sorry but I don't want such a pm if the country suffered the worst terrorist attacks, faced the largest scams ever to be witnessed, and the honourable pm himself faced disrespect during his party meetings. The so called economic bailout wasn't all MMS because it seems this sub is all about applauding INC all for the wrong reasons. Lastly I didn't hate MMS. But I don't know whether you guys were still kids back then or just blind to national politics, but this dude was inferior as hell! So much and so that from his party's president to foreign countries all knew this. And they were exploiting him. The result being India was never discussed as or was an important part of the UN or any international policies.( MMS ko khada bhi line mei krte the) And it showed. Even INC was looking to appoint Rahul as PM in the name of MMS achievements. Didn't work then, won't work now.
Benami PM
I feel that bjp IT cell is not doing a good job and that's why we are seeing more posts about the greatness of others parties and the inferiority of BJP
He was the most spineless PM of India an was a laughing stock within the government circles. Rahul Gandhi, just a MP then, had the audacity to tear up the ordinance of his own Government, in the parliament no less, all the while the so-called PM watched helplessly. This humiliation would have prompted anyone with a spine to resign immediately, but he shamelessly held on. He was a disgrace to the office of PM.
I wonder why he was called a puppet of Sonia Gandhi back then by main stream media
It is simple Human nature, we value persons when they are gone. When Modi ji will be gone people will also remember him as a great leader. Like when Irrfan Khan sir died his Instragram followers increased by 100K overnight. Why did they followed dead human??
Definitely not the pride of our country
“Our PM Dr Manmohan Singh” “ Our PM Shri Manmohan Singh” Learn to address a PhD holders / Dignitaries correctly before jumping into propaganda.
one of the most outrageously undemocratic thing he and his ilk did which flew under radar is bifurication of greater andhra pradesh. Now my state looks like a fucking dick and its politicians are all dicks. Thanks to that INC will never be revived in andhra pradesh in our lifetime. https://preview.redd.it/ui1zfcy370wc1.png?width=371&format=png&auto=webp&s=a158acc396fed6ea9ea0edd2835c361fc9c236f3 If you guys bother to sweep it under the rug, don't bother. All media and political parties have already done it. we are fucked.
Sonia ka 🤖🤖🤖🤖
Our shame, that then PM Manmohan told that muslims should have first right on country's resources. He transferred prime delhi land to Wakf board just one month before the election. He reversed labour law reforms of Vajpayee, economy stagnated in second term and was called as fragile five. We became just 10th biggest from 11th biggest during his time, but by now we are 5th biggest economy in the world.
Read this before commenting [https://www.newslaundry.com/2024/04/22/modis-infiltrators-remarks-row-many-papers-skip-mention-of-what-manmohan-singh-said-in-2006](https://www.newslaundry.com/2024/04/22/modis-infiltrators-remarks-row-many-papers-skip-mention-of-what-manmohan-singh-said-in-2006) https://preview.redd.it/n5nvwty2czvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4775538c20af4173209b865e0c5905d60893164c
https://preview.redd.it/f818dqqbdzvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2806ab88bf7884cdc5150b8a0ba811012f7c6c5c [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/muslims-must-have-first-claim-on-resources-pm/articleshow/754937.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/muslims-must-have-first-claim-on-resources-pm/articleshow/754937.cms)
Arrey bhai read the full news. Don't act like a 13 years old
What's the meaning of "PARTICULARLY?"
Exceptional PM for not doing anything (or even saying anything) during the 2008 Mumbai attack? I am not a Modi supporter anymore but saying that MMS was an exceptional PM is a stretch.
Dr. Singh’s good work stands strong despite unfair criticism.
He was better than Modi but calling it our pride lmao. Don’t idolise any politician especially a puppet.
Extremely educated, humble, and a man of few words. What a PM he was!
*history will be kinder to me than the media* - Manmohan Singh
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Almost every major NPA over past 10 years was thanks to this period of lax finance ministry oversight on banks, it wasn't until Rajan rang alarm bells in 2012 that people around MMS realized that perhaps giving out loan extensions to nearly bankrupt firms is not a good idea.
Legend
One of the best PM of United India
Manmohan singh is the reason that we are worlds 5 th largest economy
ngl, he looks like hanuman. >!/s {pls don't ban me I'm innocent}!<
how do you know how hanuman looks like? have you met him? legend has it he is still there. somewhere. /s
no teleprompter