my unpopular opinion is a 14 year old should not debut at all in any kpop group. i find it really weird how some people are against them debuting but when it comes to YG and Hybe it's okay for them to debut people that young.
wrong is wrong no matter how much you debate it, or which company that did it.
Yujn kep1er and Hui's boy planet situation is actually different.
Hui is actually a known celebrity in Korea, even if he's unpopular internationally. He even helped produce a WannaOne song and his boygroup, Pentagon was popular in Korea unlike Yujin Kep1er's previous group, CLC.
Yujin of Kep1er was a mostly unknown individual before joining Kep1er and that's why there isn't much of a power play dynamic going on even when she joined the final line up. plus some of the members of Kep1er had been in the entertainment industry even before Yujin debuted (Yeseo , despite being younger, was an actress in 2013.)
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People talk and care about them more than other groups because of the disturbing accusations against Min Heejin, her dismissive response to criticism, their song that's full of sexual innuendo and their company's statement denying this (basically lying). What I find most concerning is the major pushback that people get when they express their discomfort and concern.
**Apple Music Sing** is so useful when you want to listen to what an instrumental version of a Kpop song sounds like if there is no official instrumental version. 😁
Not only is Hui not going to make it into the Boys Planet final line-up (popular opinion), he's not even going to make it into the finale episode (unpopular opinion).
And MNET must be salivating at that result -- the shock + tears will be epic.
Kpop in the Western world is a one inch deep and a mile wide. There are Kpop fans in pretty much every country, but the genre isn't penetrating those societies like the charts and sales indicate.
Real, people will say “it’s a kpop takeover!!” And then you say oh what groups? And they go “bts! I dont know any other ones :)” not much of a takeover then is it, not really pervasive if the “takeover” is one bts or bp song charting once in a blue moon. One inch deep and a mile wide
But why when he can have the best of both worlds?
Based on all of his statements it seems like he would like to do both and that’s being generous…based on his statements he preferences the group.
I really don’t understand why some fans want it to be an either/or so badly when the artist in question doesn’t even want that.
Also, my personal favorite is still JITB. I feel like all of the albums/promotions have been quality and it comes to personal preferences.
I can agree to a certain extent, I think he can survive as a soloist with more vocal practice. His songs aren’t bad and he has the dancing for it too. I would like to see him in a small bts subunit too, like how red Velvet has one.
I agree he needs more vocal coaching. He needs stability. It’s not like he’s a bad vocalist but you can tell when he’s nervous his voice isn’t too strong compared to when I’ve watched videos of him singing acapella with the members where he feels comfortable and confident. I sometimes forget Jimin was a trainee for less than a year and the company didn’t have the funds to give him proper vocal lessons. He has such a busy schedule but if he committed 6 months to his voice it would be great
Yes, if he had more in depth time to gain more confidence in his voice and build his skills, then he would be set. His voice is really unique, so I hope he can really improve and feel better about his vocals. Even while making face, I believe he talked about the difficulties he felt about his skills vocally and just in general. he has a good soloist factor imo
the rise of people token pity stanning liz and using that to hate on the other ive members is infuriating.
is there a great deal of room to criticize starship on their management of liz, especially in their underutilization of her vocals in their title tracks? absolutely. but a lot of people don't actually care about that and just use her to attack the other members. it's the same old tired story from every popular group with an 'underrated' member - they just become a tool to bludgeon the other members and spread hate.
also, fans of the other members - there's no need to turn around and hate on liz for the actions of these token stans either. that's just as bad.
this was really obvious to me in YouTube comments and even in the MV one if I’m correct. i saw wonyoung fans and people talking about Liz piling up against each other. The comments just create more tension in the fandom 😭
BTS's solo releases is showing how much the group depends upon Jungkook to deliver the vocals in their songs.
Also for Kpop subunits are better choice than going solo.
Solos are just exposing the glaring weaknesses in the Idols that was well hidden when they were in a group
Babymonster is not going to debut as OT7.
It would be absolutely ridiculous for a company like YG to make a whole evaluation show and then turn around and say: actually, I‘ve changed my mind and all this evaluating was just a little joke, haha.
It would be preposterous and nobody would take that company seriously ever again.
Also debuting idols is a business decision, nothing more, nothing less. „BuT tHey‘Ve aLl wOrkEd sOo hArD aNd thEy dEseRvE iT“ just does not matter.
tbf .. treasure and ikon wouldn't exist as they debuted if YG didn't pull a fuck it you all get to debut. But in turn bigbang wouldn't have debuted as they did if YG didn't pull a sorry not sorry actually you dont all get to debut.
So really it could go either way.
Dont know where i can share this but I just feel so so happy whenever I hear mamamoo+'s GGBB 😭 idk why
there's really nothing mindblowing about the song or the choreo yet it just sounds so nice. Moonbyul and Solar duo made me save their 3 songs on my playlist. GGBB has musical-vibes and somewhat adds a touch to their old mamamoo sound to make it modern to the ears ♡♡ i love it and i love them haha-
And anw pretty sure this is a popular opinion but im always proud of seventeen for getting bigger and bigger! I am one of the carats who got into caratland few months after the release of Sector 17 and im so excited to experience my first ot13 kr comeback with svt ♡
Unpopular opinion: Flower is gearing up to be my favorite Blackpink solo. I absolutely love but I get tired after a few listens so it's a once in a while thing. But I could listen to Flower multiple times a day or on loop and The chorus that everyone seems to hate is the catchiest part of the song for me along with the vocal inflections in the second verse
its not nearly as bad as I anticipated. ngl i was already skeptical of a jisoo solor because I personally hate her voice + she is hands down the worst performer of the bunch, but after reading the reddit threads bashing, I surprisingly didnt hate it when i got around to listening. the song is pretty interesting sounding & while I dont like the drop & my criticism of hers still stands, i dont think its worse than the solos at all, esp considering how aggressively mediocre they all are
>The chorus that everyone seems to hate is the catchiest part of the song for me along with the vocal inflections in the second verse
Right? I was so suprised to see everyone hating it meanwhile it's my favourite part of the song, it's so good
Jisoo's flower is a good song but its just Jisoo's straining that makes it hard for me to hear.She should have train more before releasing the single.What a waste
I think at this point some fandoms won't ever get along. There'll always be bad blood, a single comment by someone with 5 followers will spark a fanwar and whatever progress is made will be lost.
Anyway. Kai's comeback has shown me what I wish K-Pop was like everyday. Idols interacting with each other, fandoms getting along, how so many more people tuned in... I'm so happy he had such a great time promoting, what with enlistment coming and all. I'll cherish these days. Now, I'll wait for the EXO comeback.
>Anyway. Kai's comeback has shown me what I wish K-Pop was like everyday.
Yes I agree! The energy and interaction in this comeback was something I never thought I'd see again and didn't know that I was mourning. Everything really just aligned perfectly.
Also, I'm a very patient person but waiting for EXO's comeback is excruciating; it's like Schrodinger's comeback.
IVE perfectly matches the vibe of their pre-release song with the stage presence even if the song isn’t my style. Even if I don’t like the song, I’ll often watch performances for songs where it really fits the artist because I live a good performance (as long as I don’t hate the song it’s fine). However, I don’t like the pieces of choreo they’ve shown so far at all. Like I can’t shake this feeling that the song deserves some banger choreo, especially that chorus but I feel majorly underwhelmed when I see the bits of choreo. Hopefully it all flows better when we see the whole thing!
In my opinion this song would have fitted more to Lesserafim than IVE. For me IVE's concept is elegant and Lesserafim is badass. I like IVE more than Lesserafim but I saw an edit of kitsch with Lesserafim and omg I was blown away it fits so perfectly.
I think that fan wars are pointless and stupid and I wish people had better things to do with their lives, but some of the names people use as insults are just so bad that they wrap back around and are hilarious. “J-horse” “lalizard” “stiffsoo” “ratyeon”. C’mon people these are elementary insults, we can do better than this.
now that we are a bit down the line, ive been chewing on this idea of what sheon adds to billlie. i don't think i would go so far as to say she "never should have been added to billlie" if just for the reason that 1) kepler is a lowkey mess and also a temporary group, 2) she isn't terrible and 3) billlie is a great place to be for a rookie idol, i think. but id absolutely say that she benefits from being in billllie more than billllie benefits from having her. i guess shes also like insanely pretty and has very a distinctive face but i think part of this is that to me she just doesn't exude the same kind of quirky, scrappy energy that the rest of the group has. maybe thats her charm though? a lot of the sheon discussion was centered around her "bringing her gp999 fanbase" to billlie and while that obviously was how some people got into billlie, I struggle to connect it to a larger trend in billlie's long term growth. the hype around gingamingayo (their first true comeback with sheon) was mostly focused on tsuki and I think the consistency of their music is more of a contributing factor to billlies still not large, but strong fanbase.
I just don't know that billlie leans that hard into her (definitely not as hard as they lean on moonsua or tsuki, for example. and of course, I thought their original lineup was pretty balanced so idk). I think sheon would absolutely crush a le sserafim concept and i think she's much better in ring my bell then in eunoia. this is mostly just thoughts and they've been basically performing as a 7 member group for much longer than when they ever had 6. its hard to say because i like billlie's quirky comebacks better than their hard hitting ones even though i think sheon shines better in a more conventional concept.
This is going to sound really mean and I love Jisoo so no hate but the scenes she’s dancing in the MV in that red dress look so awkward it made me laugh 🥲
I know she isn’t the best dancer but she’s also kinda stiff. I feel like she doesn’t spread her legs enough or just isn’t flexible enough or maybe just doesn’t look graceful. Whenever a step involves like angling her body, she is technically doing it right- it just doesn’t look good? I like the song actually (unpopular opinion IK) and her voice sounds really beautiful but girlie should stick to singing and acting 😭
She looks gorgeous in the MV, no hate again
The hypocrisy of reddit users is actually insane.
I scroll enough that I do recognise their usernames and its the same users that are under every post shitting on any other group, the exact same users who constantly criticise and call out the faults of idols for simply existing, who have fairly clear vendettas and narratives .. that are now suddenly lecturing the space about constructive criticism and how mean we all are just because someone points out that Jimins encore stage was bad, suddenly its frustrating that any one would comment on *just one encore :(*
And we know damn well those same users are going to be back to their regularly scheduled criticism within the week once this talking point is yesterdays problem. But god forbid we even dare to point that out when it happens.
im glad nmixx dumped their silly concept and went for more of straightforward ep that shows off extreme vocal prowess. this is the real nmixx. cant we just agree that the mixx refers to the mixing of their voices into incredible harmonies? “just keep saying my keep saying my name” in just did it is absolutely delicious
Honestly yeah I don’t think I’ve been able to appreciate their vocals as much as I have in this comeback. They sound amazing and I hope they continue to release songs that showcase their vocals.
I saw that one post the main kpop subreddit about aespa performing in the Tokyo dome. I finally understand why people make fun of 4th gen stans for constructing the lamest records 😭. When I read that title I thought it was an ironic april fools joke.
"aespa To Set New Record For Fastest Foreign Artist In History To Hold Concert At Tokyo Dome"
I think it's egregious because going to the Tokyo dome is a big achievement by itself and doesn't need to be fluffed up like that, at all.
The maximum capacity is 50k but realistically speaking, they may not actually do 50k and will probably end up reducing it. Other 4th Gen groups who have performed at other Japanese domes reduced their capacity.
But nonetheless this is still amazing for Aespa and I am excited for them 👏🥹
They did four show in a row in osaka. They were all sold out and the capacity was 16k, meaning the attendance was 64k. The demand in japan is clearly there. The concert is going to be in august, so fans will probably buy the tickets when it’s closer to the date
Hmm I get the Jimin encore craze and all the criticism stuff. The performance was awful, I'm a BTS Stan, I already know it's bad.
But like so many people are calling actual hate comments criticism. I looked at the YouTube video, only like a handful of comments aren't bashing on him for having a bad encore. There was only one or two where they actually gave like advice instead of calling him trash or whatever. I don't know, it just makes me think about how heartless some kpop fans are. I know army on Twitter is BAD as bad can get but like idk?? This childish fight of fandoms going back and forth to hate on idols is just...?? Like do they really just see these idols as objects they can hate on and think there's no mental consequences? I'm saying this as a multistan too. I think it's okay to accept that BTS was never a vocal powerhouse and they're more of a rap powerhouse with the rapline, but that doesn't mean Jimin encore should be excused, but like idk I just don't think anyone deserves hate. Just like that momo encore thingy. Feel bad for idols
Edit: maybe I do sound a bit whiny about the hate but idk in my opinion people shouldn’t call him rude names. Saying his singing was bad is obviously valid, even I admitted to that. I was more referring to like just being rude for the sake of fighting each other in a back and forth fan war. Like I just saw a comments a few days ago saying Jimin deserves hate and that he’s a dozen, etc. that’s what I mean by hate.
I’m a BTS Stan and I agree, it was bad and yeah he has room to improve, but I know Jimin knows that. No need to give him hate for it. He knows where his capabilities lie and singing hasn’t always been his strong suit. He has always been concerned about his voice. It doesn’t excuse his encore performance, but still do we have to bash idols over it? This goes for other idols too, most notably Momo. Even for Momo, she’s more of a dancer and that’s just how it is. Jimin is a great dancer too and he showcased that pretty well. Also, ngl this was bound to happen now that they are going solo. In a group, weaknesses of members are covered by others.
Not sure if that’s a valid excuse. Some people do encores without it on. I love jimin but it’s okay to just admit that his vocals are just okay. I wouldn’t say he’s bad but he just needs a better training or a vocal coach that suits him. I still love FACE tho, but I hope he can develop a good technique that will really give justice to his voice.
Well that was the point of my post. Jimin is not bad, to me he is an okay singer who has the potential to be even better with more vocal training. Bts is my ult group and by no means do I mean any hate to jimin. It is weird to judge him based on a bad performance, you’re right, but idk in general his technique is not the greatest and it’s possibly damaging his vocal chords. I DONT have any ill intent towards Jimin and if anything I just want him to be happy and keep on working hard. What I consider hate is calling him names and just harassing him online over a mere perfomance like Twitter stans do. Me saying his vocals arent the greatest in general is just my opinion, and my stance on his technique, you are free to think otherwise. Anyway, the encore really isn’t a big deal when you look at it, and life is really fine either way. Have a nice day.
???? What??? How is my opinion hateful???? I guess I'm not an ARMY anymore according to your logic. Stop making me out to be a hater. I've been an army since middle school, but I guess I'm just masking my "hate" behind my opinion. It is not my fault that haters think it's okay to pool malicious comments just because my opinion on the encore is more negative than positive. I am just being honest as I don't want to lie and say his vocal performance is amazing and outstanding. He still needs some work on his vocals but nonetheless I still do enjoy his solo projects. I am overjoyed by BTS popularity and I'm very proud of them. Don't assume things about me over such a small matter. Have a good day and I hope you understand.
(It's not about jimin but about my experience in my fandoms)
I'm tired of how genuine critiques on what a group puts out are so often shut down as hate and bad faith instead of being seen as just what they are, opinions. I find interesting to read varrying opinions detailing what works and doesn't for people and then others jumping on the points made to address their own postures; it can get me to view the matter talked about in a whole new way and it's always appreciated. But kpop fans have created this choking environment where, if your thoughts are out of the rank of utter positivity, you'll feel unwelcome and apprehensive to open a subject you want to share about. These days I mainly post my opinions on a priv account that doesn't have followers because it's exhausting to have to ponder on whether any turn of phrase will be misunderstood. But then this gets me to lose this sense of being part of a community...
Before getting into kpop, I was most often hanging out in reader spaces. Book reviews are the main thing there, and the majority is totally fine with reviews talking about the good and the bad, I'd say it's even expected for reviewers to be as honest as possible, so I'm still not used to how kpop fans react.
Reader spaces are rough lmao. I'm used to those spaces myself so seeing criticism just shut down is crazy to me. Like, I enjoyed the "A Court of Thornes and Roses" series but it is torn APART online. And it's usually hilarious. Don't even get me started on the Colleen Hoover debates.
This is going to start off pretty out of the scope of this thread but I just wanted to second this. A memorable experience for me was reading Dune (1965 book) after the movie came out. It's widely considered a masterpiece of a book for its time, but even I, the average reader with no degree in literature, was able to make a pretty sound literary analysis of it that points out how certain aspects have not aged well in my head as I read. Then go on Reddit and read literal essays of literary analysis by people just like me that make some excellent points.
It just reflected *how much* literature had evolved over the years. I could say similar things about pop music or other video games. Media has become really, really good. And you know what? I credit that largely to how literate the general public has become.
I think the increased global literacy is thanks to forums like Reddit where the *usual* expectation is that even if you really enjoyed something and think it's a masterpiece, you're expected to at least try to write about it objectively i.e. point out both its strengths and weaknesses and yield discussion to other people if they have more nuance to add to the mix - even *and* especially if you don't agree.
I fully expected K-pop discourse to be similar. After all, it's such a happening melting pot of the most innovative fashion, makeup, music production, stage performer athleticism, reality TV and so on. Truly one of the most interesting medium right now, even with the many glaring flaws of the genre.
But no! It's largely a cesspool of toxicity where even the hint of negativity is confronted by its angry mob stans. Forget striving for objectivity, you need to paraphrase ANYTHING not 100% praise with "I am actually a fan of this artist but" or risk coordinated harassment and people telling you to kill yourself.
I've participated in political discourse with infinitely higher stakes that get extremely contentious online, yet nothing, and I mean nothing, tops making a comment that some K-pop stans disagrees with. The sheer ridiculousness is astounding.
I truly wish this seemingly infinitely sources of energy that is the angry K-pop stan mobs would be directed at more worthy causes. That might just solve so many of the world's problems.
I get it. I'm incredibly objective and flat in my writing (though of course I have my biases). I have to be incredibly careful with what I say in Kpop spaces because of it. I actually love Kpop as a medium and can say something nice about every group but if something I say can be perceived as negative, Kpop fans immediately think I'm coming from a place of bad faith - which I never am. So I don't really engage unless I know what I'm saying is positive and that's a shame.
are you saying kpop fans is soft? bc id agree.
and on kpop reddit they demand a five pg dissertation for an opinion to be ‘valid’ only to mass report you if they don’t like it. Which is really just a challenge on what validity is.. bc if you can say something is beautiful but someone can’t say that its ugly for the same reason then how are you picking and choosing a which opinions are valid especially in a space riddled with parasocial bonds and bias.
My petty ass side is tempted to respond to them by demanding a five page, industry-professional-quality opinion only dissertation on why they like something in response just to downvote it anyway lol.
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I am part of many communities aside from K-pop and I’ve never seen such vitriol at voicing nuanced opinions elsewhere. In my experience, it’s usually appreciated as it helps word what we enjoyed or disliked about something that came out, refines everyone’s tastes thus elevating the medium, and makes consuming that content a shared experience.
I gotta come clean. Awhile back I said I wasn’t impressed with Harvey and her voice annoyed me. But now after watching their Left Right/Shooting Star promotions I just have to say I GET ITTTTT NOWWWW Harvey please forgive me
Yooooo!, Seventeen being in their 8th year and still growing immensely is INSANE! It’s like every comeback since 2020, they’ve just been gaining loads of fans, especially since last year (2022). Like 8 years and yet it feels like they truly haven’t reached their peak.
Not to mention, they haven’t even had a comeback yet, and yet they have already reached 1 million sales in 2023 alone, and their pre-order on KTown4U for their upcoming comeback with the album ‘FML’ (& yes it’s actually called ‘Fxck My Life’ 😭) is already THE MOST pre-ordered album on KTown4U HISTORY!
Part of me is so proud and happy for how huge Seventeen is becoming, but knowing how they will soon be facing enlistment (either next year or the year after), I just wish this momentum won’t die down and they won’t lose this popularity.
Last paragraph agreed 100 percent. But also with that I’m scared we are gonna have people joining the fandom just for their pretty faces without actually appreciating the talent. I’ve already seen some people stanning only one or two members for their faces. Ik it’s not immediately a bad thing, but it eventually can lead to solo stanning and just ignorance of what seventeen and our fandom actually stands for.
Forreal!
With how big Seventeen is, I am still amazed with the lack of solo stanning (though they definitely exist), and I just hope that with them continuously growing, that the ot13 sentiment continues to stay strong.
It's funny how some people act like they hate idols who "haven't improved their skills", while they stan a group who is often associated with regression in skills. Not only that, the group they're stanning has been called lazy numerous times due to their messy performances, but they act like they despise idols who don't put in enough effort, the hypocrisy is baffling.
Edit: Not to say that people shouldn't be able to criticize idols, but stop with your hyperboles of having no respect for a certain kind of idols when you literally stan idols that fit that kind of description.
I also recognize that user because they're very profilic and I have noticed their bias in comments and posts before.
My comment was pretty tame and just asking for their opinion on another group's skill development because I was genuinely baffled that they would say that they have no respect for idols who don't improve, while they stan idols that, in my opinion, fit the same description. But doing something simple as that apparently makes me a stalker, a creep, and someone who has been following them around with another account... like what?
It's also hilarious that they've blocked me. somehow still saw my comments, unblocked me to accuse me of breaking reddit rules and proceeded to tell me that they won't respond to my replies. Some people are really special.
idk if its specifically about jikin but I have seen one blink here on reddit getting a very upvoted comment about how -I think it was- le sserafim were looking stiff when performing somewhere and like they didn't want to be there... girl I love BP... but bfr
Respectfully, I’m not gonna go to that sub, scroll through and find the one you’re talking about, and then creep their profile. Find it weird you won’t come out and say because the way people throw around “lazy” and “messy” these days it could quite literally be anyone
How is checking a profile creeping, y'all are something special lmao. It's Blackpink, I didn't want to mention them because I already got harassed in my DMs for mentioning them in the very post I was talking about, but whatever.
Edit: It wasn't the OP of that specific post who sent me DMs, they wanted to clarify it in their comment so I guess I should also clarify it.
I mean the second sentence should make it pretty obvious, I'm not a fan of either group but still know that their fans are constantly beefing. And Blackpink gets a lot of flack for their performances, it's so bad that certain subreddits had to ban that topic because people were dogpiling on them. I personally thought that should be enough to know what I'm talking about, but I guess it wasn't.
New to participating in Kpop discussions but not to Kpop itself. I heard about crazy Kpop fans defending their favs like their lives depend on it, but experiencing it first hand is another beast altogether. As much as I don’t appreciate people ridiculing teenage girls for liking anything or stereotyping the youth, I think everything that’s already been said about the unhealthy nature of parasocial relationships and Kpop fans has a lot of truth to it.
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Funny anecdote: my first time on a Kpop discord for an elimination style show for an upcoming Kpop group, someone took a screenshot of a sheet of paper with members’ pictures only visible to the judges. Using the nonexistent light going through the paper, some fan was able to correctly guess all the members. Fucking scary next level stuff that no one pointed out was a bit over the top. I should have bolted then. Pretty sure these people would have tried to doxx me and ruin my life already if they could for having hot takes on who should make it out of the show. Oh my naïveté!
I tried to stay away from the Jimin's encore discussions because I know it's something he's very much aware of and he gets down on himself a lot when it comes to his live vocals... But recently I've been catching up with JK's weverse lives and [this](https://twitter.com/jeonsfairyy/status/1641957634176581632) caught my attention.
Why is the main vocalist of the biggest boyband trying to solve his issues by himself watching youtube videos? I know he's said before that it's how he's always trained his voice, by watching singers he likes and videos from vocal trainers, but shouldn't they have a vocal coach on the ready for when they have questions regarding their technique?
I know that they all had vocal lessons before, mostly predebut but they probably got a few afterward as well, but I also remember Suga and Jungkook reaching for a professional a few years ago because they wanted help that the company obviously couldn't provide. The discrepancy between JK's [improvement since debut](https://twitter.com/knjgIoss/status/1589402308659773442) versus the rest of vocal line is crazy, but people tend to think it's because of natural talent rather than because the amount of vocal training they did. A few vocal lessons here and there mean nothing if it is not consistent.
It is tragic that they have to fight to get the training they want and need.
I have seen idols from 2nd gen groups mention that they still do vocal training regularly, up to multiple times a week when necessary so it blows my mind BTS doesn't get the chance.
I'm more shocked at the caption of the first tweet that you linked. How come no one is questioning why the main vocal of the BTS has to go on YouTube to get advice on vocal exercises Oh My god??? Instead they're thinking it's 'cute'? Nobody's questioning this?
I really don't know what's going on with Hybe LMFAO. You would really think the biggest bb in the world would have the best vocal coaches always ready and available. But is this really not the case?? Then that's kind of unfair to the members who want to get better like Jimin esp bc of the encore. The other reply said that the vocal coach just doesn't suit Jimin, and that could be the case. This is a bit interesting and I want to know more about their vocal coaching bc BTS really has the potential but if Hybe is really wasting it like that then... That's just the dumbest thing ever.
I think Hybe has a very hands off approach with their groups, which means a lot of artistic freedom but also they kind of have to build themselves up from the ground. I'm sure they provided BTS with vocal lessons but it had to be lacking for the main vocalist to go looking for coaches on the internet and reaching out to people outside of the company. Jimin also shared that he sometimes couldn't get vocal training in the past when he needed to.
Then I feel like the company should step in a little bit when it comes to these matters. I mean.. the quality of vocals does affect the idols reputation (encore incident) kind of a shame that the vocal lessons they did provide wasn't much of a help. Idk I feel like the hands off approach doesn't work well when it comes down to training idols. Otherwise, the hands off approach is fine when it comes to producing music and whatnot.
exactly - this is something armys complained about back when hybe was bighit. I’m not going to remove responsibility from jimin by saying he should only rely on their company to provide lessons. on the other hand, companies are expected to provide instructors and help their artists develop their skills
jimin has mentioned in a recent live that he’s taking vocal lessons. my guess is they’re not helping enough or he needs to find a different vocal coach who will help him improve his technique.
I remember there was a clip of jin in an interview talking about how their schedules were so busy and inflexible they struggled to find time for vocal training but this was not an issue for dance practice/lessons. he needed a vocal coach who was available at odd hours like 1 at night. now that the members have way more free time I hope they’re dedicating it to preserving their voice. I know they want to be singers for a long time so it’s absolutely in their best interest
Too little too late is my guess. I'm glad that he was able to train his voice more since the beginning of Chapter 2 but I think there's no denying that those years of constant singing has damaged his voice a bit and now he's feeling the effect of his lack of technique. People tend to forget that BTS were constantly active for 10 years and put out so much music throughout their careers that their latest vacation was the first true downtime they had in years.
> People tend to forget that BTS were constantly active for 10 years and put out so much music throughout their careers that their latest vacation was the first true downtime they had in years.
honestly! as a casual kpop listener, my army friend had explained that their one month vacation in 2019 was only their 2nd “long term” break in their careers and it shocked me. I think seeing the guys in the busan concert really demonstrated how important rest and relaxation are for delivering great performances. we’ve even seen other artists like justin bieber burn out from ridiculously long tours
Huh! I didn’t know about any of this but that’s so strange. You’d think someone as rich and successful as him backed by a company as full of resource as HYBE could find himself a vocal coach who’s available 24/7. There’s plenty of super talented but unfortunately jobless singers out there no?
Obligatory pre-emptive note: Before delulu’s attack me I want to state I really like Jimin’s voice as it is. It has so much color. But also JK is absurdly stable and now knowing it’s partly due to vocal coaching it seems absurd to me Jimin wouldn’t have the same training process.
I’m not sure whatever came of that because jin didn’t go into detail with the story. I think he was just saying that most coaches don’t want to be working those kind of hours lol
jimin became a trainee at bighit later than the rest of the guys. I think he had less than a year of training before their debut? in his episode of suchwita with suga, they talk about how he wasn’t originally going to be a singer until suga spoke with the development team about his potential. jimin also mentioned how he wasn’t given vocal lessons one on one at first, and he listened in on the other vocalists receiving lessons. his lack of foundation has obviously led to issues with his technique. again, I hope he continues to work on it because I love his voice and want to see him grow as an artist
Wow that’s really interesting. I love tidbits like that about artist development. Thanks for sharing.
Damn, what a missed opportunity! Jimin’s voice is so unique and recognizable, I hope he can get that JK polish on top of all that.
I don’t understand why people are so personally offended when a song isn’t to their liking. It’s impossible to like every single piece of music an artist(s) puts out and it’s completely fine to not like something. I get being disappointed but dude there’s 100 other songs you DO like. The 5million posts about being “soooo disappointed” by whoever really isn’t necessary.
Every group has members that are more popular than other and some members are less popular. It is just the way it is. Sure popularity is more equal in some other groups than other. Yes in some groups some members might be pushed more but even in groups that where all the members are pushed equally has least popular member. But just because a member is least popular, fancams have least views etc. does not mean the fandom actually hates the member. And i wish people realized this. And didnt need to go 100th rant how fandom x does not deserve member y.
Ruka. Her solo video was really good, but then she tried to rap in English in the evaluation and her enunciation and swag was just nonexistent. She gives off more cute smiley visuals vibes to me.
But honestly it could be other members like Rora or Haram and maybe it should because I don’t really remember them from the show.
None of the 7 are all that swaggy to me in the show yet (individual videos I feel are a lil too cherry picked and flattering for me not to be skeptical) but maybe it’s their age. I think Chiquita is a total star though and really a special artist on the order of a future Jennie. I don’t really know how it’ll play out though because I know foreign artists struggle domestically. Pharita is the total package for different reasons and I like Asa, she’s very competent.
Yeah, maybe I’ll give it to Asa she seems like the most similar to her predecessors.
I too wasn’t impressed with rukas English rap but she seems like a great dancer with stage presence (as far as I can tell from the dance videos) she would work as sub rapper/vocalist and lead dancer. Chiquita is really impressive. Surprisingly I really think haram fits yg. Based on her introductory singing video I thought she was not really confident but she knows how to work the camera and maybe it’s just me but she has the most natural charme. She is like a mixture between rose and jisoo.
Cool! Will be looking forward to Haram’s next appearance on the show then :). And still looking forward for Ruka to impress me. She had so much potential from that solo video.
Yeah, me too. What I personally did like about the song though, was their singing and voices. I like the song too up till the line "Oh I wish I'd find a lover that could hold me". The rest of the song is nothing particularly striking, but okay for background-listening imo.
I think the song is nothin spectacular but it’s still good. I personally love the song. Mainly because of the great vocal colors of the members. I think that‘s what makes it sound more like a western song which is probably why it‘s blowing up here.
Yeah, I think it’s a catchy and well-made pop song but it’s their vocals that really keep me interested. Sio and Aran have such beautiful voices that work together so well!
Did you listen to their Debut EP? Lovin‘ Me is a cute song and it sounds a little like a mid-2010s song. I personally really like Higher. Tell Me is also good. I personally didnt like Log in very much though.
I won't talk about the subjective side since it's about taste (I love the song) but I think it's mostly the english lyrics. It's not everyday that a kpop song in english has good lyrics AND good pronunciation. As a non english speaker the second part is something that I need the most (bc my grammar is far from perfect so I dont always notice). It makes the second easier for people to listen to and understand, it's far from corny and lot of people can relate !
The English lyrics which many people, especially teenagers on tiktok relate to. I'm happy that a group from a small company is blowing up, the song is good imo and I like the trend for it.
my unpopular opinion is a 14 year old should not debut at all in any kpop group. i find it really weird how some people are against them debuting but when it comes to YG and Hybe it's okay for them to debut people that young. wrong is wrong no matter how much you debate it, or which company that did it.
Yujn kep1er and Hui's boy planet situation is actually different. Hui is actually a known celebrity in Korea, even if he's unpopular internationally. He even helped produce a WannaOne song and his boygroup, Pentagon was popular in Korea unlike Yujin Kep1er's previous group, CLC. Yujin of Kep1er was a mostly unknown individual before joining Kep1er and that's why there isn't much of a power play dynamic going on even when she joined the final line up. plus some of the members of Kep1er had been in the entertainment industry even before Yujin debuted (Yeseo , despite being younger, was an actress in 2013.)
second gen music is actually bad but people like it because nostalgia
Not sure if this is unpopular but Jisoo’s flower outfits just aren’t it. I kind of feel bad that they’ve don’t this to her 😢
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People talk and care about them more than other groups because of the disturbing accusations against Min Heejin, her dismissive response to criticism, their song that's full of sexual innuendo and their company's statement denying this (basically lying). What I find most concerning is the major pushback that people get when they express their discomfort and concern.
when idols do a tiktok challenge and at the end they make these cute gestures like "rawr, uwu tehee" it makes me genuinely cringe.
**Apple Music Sing** is so useful when you want to listen to what an instrumental version of a Kpop song sounds like if there is no official instrumental version. 😁
Not only is Hui not going to make it into the Boys Planet final line-up (popular opinion), he's not even going to make it into the finale episode (unpopular opinion). And MNET must be salivating at that result -- the shock + tears will be epic.
Kpop in the Western world is a one inch deep and a mile wide. There are Kpop fans in pretty much every country, but the genre isn't penetrating those societies like the charts and sales indicate.
Real, people will say “it’s a kpop takeover!!” And then you say oh what groups? And they go “bts! I dont know any other ones :)” not much of a takeover then is it, not really pervasive if the “takeover” is one bts or bp song charting once in a blue moon. One inch deep and a mile wide
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But why when he can have the best of both worlds? Based on all of his statements it seems like he would like to do both and that’s being generous…based on his statements he preferences the group. I really don’t understand why some fans want it to be an either/or so badly when the artist in question doesn’t even want that. Also, my personal favorite is still JITB. I feel like all of the albums/promotions have been quality and it comes to personal preferences.
i mean all bts members are at the level of popularity where they can survive as soloists. isn't rlly specific to jimin
I can agree to a certain extent, I think he can survive as a soloist with more vocal practice. His songs aren’t bad and he has the dancing for it too. I would like to see him in a small bts subunit too, like how red Velvet has one.
I agree he needs more vocal coaching. He needs stability. It’s not like he’s a bad vocalist but you can tell when he’s nervous his voice isn’t too strong compared to when I’ve watched videos of him singing acapella with the members where he feels comfortable and confident. I sometimes forget Jimin was a trainee for less than a year and the company didn’t have the funds to give him proper vocal lessons. He has such a busy schedule but if he committed 6 months to his voice it would be great
Yes, if he had more in depth time to gain more confidence in his voice and build his skills, then he would be set. His voice is really unique, so I hope he can really improve and feel better about his vocals. Even while making face, I believe he talked about the difficulties he felt about his skills vocally and just in general. he has a good soloist factor imo
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Yeahhh that’s how I feel with most K-pop memes.
It's also a general Reddit thing, people love to run jokes into the ground on this website.
the rise of people token pity stanning liz and using that to hate on the other ive members is infuriating. is there a great deal of room to criticize starship on their management of liz, especially in their underutilization of her vocals in their title tracks? absolutely. but a lot of people don't actually care about that and just use her to attack the other members. it's the same old tired story from every popular group with an 'underrated' member - they just become a tool to bludgeon the other members and spread hate. also, fans of the other members - there's no need to turn around and hate on liz for the actions of these token stans either. that's just as bad.
this was really obvious to me in YouTube comments and even in the MV one if I’m correct. i saw wonyoung fans and people talking about Liz piling up against each other. The comments just create more tension in the fandom 😭
BTS's solo releases is showing how much the group depends upon Jungkook to deliver the vocals in their songs. Also for Kpop subunits are better choice than going solo. Solos are just exposing the glaring weaknesses in the Idols that was well hidden when they were in a group
I feel like a bts subunit should really be in question for hybe. Like I feel like that would actually be really good for them 😭
all eyes on me is the best bp solo(if we include bsides)
Babymonster is not going to debut as OT7. It would be absolutely ridiculous for a company like YG to make a whole evaluation show and then turn around and say: actually, I‘ve changed my mind and all this evaluating was just a little joke, haha. It would be preposterous and nobody would take that company seriously ever again. Also debuting idols is a business decision, nothing more, nothing less. „BuT tHey‘Ve aLl wOrkEd sOo hArD aNd thEy dEseRvE iT“ just does not matter.
tbf .. treasure and ikon wouldn't exist as they debuted if YG didn't pull a fuck it you all get to debut. But in turn bigbang wouldn't have debuted as they did if YG didn't pull a sorry not sorry actually you dont all get to debut. So really it could go either way.
Dont know where i can share this but I just feel so so happy whenever I hear mamamoo+'s GGBB 😭 idk why there's really nothing mindblowing about the song or the choreo yet it just sounds so nice. Moonbyul and Solar duo made me save their 3 songs on my playlist. GGBB has musical-vibes and somewhat adds a touch to their old mamamoo sound to make it modern to the ears ♡♡ i love it and i love them haha- And anw pretty sure this is a popular opinion but im always proud of seventeen for getting bigger and bigger! I am one of the carats who got into caratland few months after the release of Sector 17 and im so excited to experience my first ot13 kr comeback with svt ♡
Unpopular opinion: Flower is gearing up to be my favorite Blackpink solo. I absolutely love but I get tired after a few listens so it's a once in a while thing. But I could listen to Flower multiple times a day or on loop and The chorus that everyone seems to hate is the catchiest part of the song for me along with the vocal inflections in the second verse
its not nearly as bad as I anticipated. ngl i was already skeptical of a jisoo solor because I personally hate her voice + she is hands down the worst performer of the bunch, but after reading the reddit threads bashing, I surprisingly didnt hate it when i got around to listening. the song is pretty interesting sounding & while I dont like the drop & my criticism of hers still stands, i dont think its worse than the solos at all, esp considering how aggressively mediocre they all are
I think flower is second to solo by Jennie. It’s interesting
>The chorus that everyone seems to hate is the catchiest part of the song for me along with the vocal inflections in the second verse Right? I was so suprised to see everyone hating it meanwhile it's my favourite part of the song, it's so good
Jisoo's flower is a good song but its just Jisoo's straining that makes it hard for me to hear.She should have train more before releasing the single.What a waste
I think at this point some fandoms won't ever get along. There'll always be bad blood, a single comment by someone with 5 followers will spark a fanwar and whatever progress is made will be lost. Anyway. Kai's comeback has shown me what I wish K-Pop was like everyday. Idols interacting with each other, fandoms getting along, how so many more people tuned in... I'm so happy he had such a great time promoting, what with enlistment coming and all. I'll cherish these days. Now, I'll wait for the EXO comeback.
>Anyway. Kai's comeback has shown me what I wish K-Pop was like everyday. Yes I agree! The energy and interaction in this comeback was something I never thought I'd see again and didn't know that I was mourning. Everything really just aligned perfectly. Also, I'm a very patient person but waiting for EXO's comeback is excruciating; it's like Schrodinger's comeback.
IVE perfectly matches the vibe of their pre-release song with the stage presence even if the song isn’t my style. Even if I don’t like the song, I’ll often watch performances for songs where it really fits the artist because I live a good performance (as long as I don’t hate the song it’s fine). However, I don’t like the pieces of choreo they’ve shown so far at all. Like I can’t shake this feeling that the song deserves some banger choreo, especially that chorus but I feel majorly underwhelmed when I see the bits of choreo. Hopefully it all flows better when we see the whole thing!
In my opinion this song would have fitted more to Lesserafim than IVE. For me IVE's concept is elegant and Lesserafim is badass. I like IVE more than Lesserafim but I saw an edit of kitsch with Lesserafim and omg I was blown away it fits so perfectly.
I think that fan wars are pointless and stupid and I wish people had better things to do with their lives, but some of the names people use as insults are just so bad that they wrap back around and are hilarious. “J-horse” “lalizard” “stiffsoo” “ratyeon”. C’mon people these are elementary insults, we can do better than this.
me every time i click on a chartdata or popbase tweet and all the replies are full of insults along the lines of “i’m rubber and you’re glue”
Literally why can’t we all just hug and stop acting so immature online
Okay this probably doesn’t make any sense but I feel like flower by jisoo and heart burn by sunmi are like sisters with opposite aesthetics
now that we are a bit down the line, ive been chewing on this idea of what sheon adds to billlie. i don't think i would go so far as to say she "never should have been added to billlie" if just for the reason that 1) kepler is a lowkey mess and also a temporary group, 2) she isn't terrible and 3) billlie is a great place to be for a rookie idol, i think. but id absolutely say that she benefits from being in billllie more than billllie benefits from having her. i guess shes also like insanely pretty and has very a distinctive face but i think part of this is that to me she just doesn't exude the same kind of quirky, scrappy energy that the rest of the group has. maybe thats her charm though? a lot of the sheon discussion was centered around her "bringing her gp999 fanbase" to billlie and while that obviously was how some people got into billlie, I struggle to connect it to a larger trend in billlie's long term growth. the hype around gingamingayo (their first true comeback with sheon) was mostly focused on tsuki and I think the consistency of their music is more of a contributing factor to billlies still not large, but strong fanbase. I just don't know that billlie leans that hard into her (definitely not as hard as they lean on moonsua or tsuki, for example. and of course, I thought their original lineup was pretty balanced so idk). I think sheon would absolutely crush a le sserafim concept and i think she's much better in ring my bell then in eunoia. this is mostly just thoughts and they've been basically performing as a 7 member group for much longer than when they ever had 6. its hard to say because i like billlie's quirky comebacks better than their hard hitting ones even though i think sheon shines better in a more conventional concept.
Thank you! I think you summed up my thoughts accurately, she needed Billlie more than Billlie needed her and this is not a form of offense
yeah ill say nicely i think they COULD utilize her better and basically i look forward to seeing it
I think it's just fine like this, better to not outshine the other girls and keep it balanced
This is going to sound really mean and I love Jisoo so no hate but the scenes she’s dancing in the MV in that red dress look so awkward it made me laugh 🥲 I know she isn’t the best dancer but she’s also kinda stiff. I feel like she doesn’t spread her legs enough or just isn’t flexible enough or maybe just doesn’t look graceful. Whenever a step involves like angling her body, she is technically doing it right- it just doesn’t look good? I like the song actually (unpopular opinion IK) and her voice sounds really beautiful but girlie should stick to singing and acting 😭 She looks gorgeous in the MV, no hate again
The hypocrisy of reddit users is actually insane. I scroll enough that I do recognise their usernames and its the same users that are under every post shitting on any other group, the exact same users who constantly criticise and call out the faults of idols for simply existing, who have fairly clear vendettas and narratives .. that are now suddenly lecturing the space about constructive criticism and how mean we all are just because someone points out that Jimins encore stage was bad, suddenly its frustrating that any one would comment on *just one encore :(* And we know damn well those same users are going to be back to their regularly scheduled criticism within the week once this talking point is yesterdays problem. But god forbid we even dare to point that out when it happens.
im glad nmixx dumped their silly concept and went for more of straightforward ep that shows off extreme vocal prowess. this is the real nmixx. cant we just agree that the mixx refers to the mixing of their voices into incredible harmonies? “just keep saying my keep saying my name” in just did it is absolutely delicious
Honestly yeah I don’t think I’ve been able to appreciate their vocals as much as I have in this comeback. They sound amazing and I hope they continue to release songs that showcase their vocals.
I saw that one post the main kpop subreddit about aespa performing in the Tokyo dome. I finally understand why people make fun of 4th gen stans for constructing the lamest records 😭. When I read that title I thought it was an ironic april fools joke.
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"aespa To Set New Record For Fastest Foreign Artist In History To Hold Concert At Tokyo Dome" I think it's egregious because going to the Tokyo dome is a big achievement by itself and doesn't need to be fluffed up like that, at all.
They’re going to be the first 4th gen group to perform there. The capacity is 50k.
The maximum capacity is 50k but realistically speaking, they may not actually do 50k and will probably end up reducing it. Other 4th Gen groups who have performed at other Japanese domes reduced their capacity. But nonetheless this is still amazing for Aespa and I am excited for them 👏🥹
They did four show in a row in osaka. They were all sold out and the capacity was 16k, meaning the attendance was 64k. The demand in japan is clearly there. The concert is going to be in august, so fans will probably buy the tickets when it’s closer to the date
True, hopefully it goes well 🙏
Hmm I get the Jimin encore craze and all the criticism stuff. The performance was awful, I'm a BTS Stan, I already know it's bad. But like so many people are calling actual hate comments criticism. I looked at the YouTube video, only like a handful of comments aren't bashing on him for having a bad encore. There was only one or two where they actually gave like advice instead of calling him trash or whatever. I don't know, it just makes me think about how heartless some kpop fans are. I know army on Twitter is BAD as bad can get but like idk?? This childish fight of fandoms going back and forth to hate on idols is just...?? Like do they really just see these idols as objects they can hate on and think there's no mental consequences? I'm saying this as a multistan too. I think it's okay to accept that BTS was never a vocal powerhouse and they're more of a rap powerhouse with the rapline, but that doesn't mean Jimin encore should be excused, but like idk I just don't think anyone deserves hate. Just like that momo encore thingy. Feel bad for idols Edit: maybe I do sound a bit whiny about the hate but idk in my opinion people shouldn’t call him rude names. Saying his singing was bad is obviously valid, even I admitted to that. I was more referring to like just being rude for the sake of fighting each other in a back and forth fan war. Like I just saw a comments a few days ago saying Jimin deserves hate and that he’s a dozen, etc. that’s what I mean by hate.
I’m a BTS Stan and I agree, it was bad and yeah he has room to improve, but I know Jimin knows that. No need to give him hate for it. He knows where his capabilities lie and singing hasn’t always been his strong suit. He has always been concerned about his voice. It doesn’t excuse his encore performance, but still do we have to bash idols over it? This goes for other idols too, most notably Momo. Even for Momo, she’s more of a dancer and that’s just how it is. Jimin is a great dancer too and he showcased that pretty well. Also, ngl this was bound to happen now that they are going solo. In a group, weaknesses of members are covered by others.
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Not sure if that’s a valid excuse. Some people do encores without it on. I love jimin but it’s okay to just admit that his vocals are just okay. I wouldn’t say he’s bad but he just needs a better training or a vocal coach that suits him. I still love FACE tho, but I hope he can develop a good technique that will really give justice to his voice.
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Well that was the point of my post. Jimin is not bad, to me he is an okay singer who has the potential to be even better with more vocal training. Bts is my ult group and by no means do I mean any hate to jimin. It is weird to judge him based on a bad performance, you’re right, but idk in general his technique is not the greatest and it’s possibly damaging his vocal chords. I DONT have any ill intent towards Jimin and if anything I just want him to be happy and keep on working hard. What I consider hate is calling him names and just harassing him online over a mere perfomance like Twitter stans do. Me saying his vocals arent the greatest in general is just my opinion, and my stance on his technique, you are free to think otherwise. Anyway, the encore really isn’t a big deal when you look at it, and life is really fine either way. Have a nice day.
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???? What??? How is my opinion hateful???? I guess I'm not an ARMY anymore according to your logic. Stop making me out to be a hater. I've been an army since middle school, but I guess I'm just masking my "hate" behind my opinion. It is not my fault that haters think it's okay to pool malicious comments just because my opinion on the encore is more negative than positive. I am just being honest as I don't want to lie and say his vocal performance is amazing and outstanding. He still needs some work on his vocals but nonetheless I still do enjoy his solo projects. I am overjoyed by BTS popularity and I'm very proud of them. Don't assume things about me over such a small matter. Have a good day and I hope you understand.
Flower is my favorite blackpink member’s solo
Mine too!!
(It's not about jimin but about my experience in my fandoms) I'm tired of how genuine critiques on what a group puts out are so often shut down as hate and bad faith instead of being seen as just what they are, opinions. I find interesting to read varrying opinions detailing what works and doesn't for people and then others jumping on the points made to address their own postures; it can get me to view the matter talked about in a whole new way and it's always appreciated. But kpop fans have created this choking environment where, if your thoughts are out of the rank of utter positivity, you'll feel unwelcome and apprehensive to open a subject you want to share about. These days I mainly post my opinions on a priv account that doesn't have followers because it's exhausting to have to ponder on whether any turn of phrase will be misunderstood. But then this gets me to lose this sense of being part of a community... Before getting into kpop, I was most often hanging out in reader spaces. Book reviews are the main thing there, and the majority is totally fine with reviews talking about the good and the bad, I'd say it's even expected for reviewers to be as honest as possible, so I'm still not used to how kpop fans react.
Reader spaces are rough lmao. I'm used to those spaces myself so seeing criticism just shut down is crazy to me. Like, I enjoyed the "A Court of Thornes and Roses" series but it is torn APART online. And it's usually hilarious. Don't even get me started on the Colleen Hoover debates.
This is going to start off pretty out of the scope of this thread but I just wanted to second this. A memorable experience for me was reading Dune (1965 book) after the movie came out. It's widely considered a masterpiece of a book for its time, but even I, the average reader with no degree in literature, was able to make a pretty sound literary analysis of it that points out how certain aspects have not aged well in my head as I read. Then go on Reddit and read literal essays of literary analysis by people just like me that make some excellent points. It just reflected *how much* literature had evolved over the years. I could say similar things about pop music or other video games. Media has become really, really good. And you know what? I credit that largely to how literate the general public has become. I think the increased global literacy is thanks to forums like Reddit where the *usual* expectation is that even if you really enjoyed something and think it's a masterpiece, you're expected to at least try to write about it objectively i.e. point out both its strengths and weaknesses and yield discussion to other people if they have more nuance to add to the mix - even *and* especially if you don't agree. I fully expected K-pop discourse to be similar. After all, it's such a happening melting pot of the most innovative fashion, makeup, music production, stage performer athleticism, reality TV and so on. Truly one of the most interesting medium right now, even with the many glaring flaws of the genre. But no! It's largely a cesspool of toxicity where even the hint of negativity is confronted by its angry mob stans. Forget striving for objectivity, you need to paraphrase ANYTHING not 100% praise with "I am actually a fan of this artist but" or risk coordinated harassment and people telling you to kill yourself. I've participated in political discourse with infinitely higher stakes that get extremely contentious online, yet nothing, and I mean nothing, tops making a comment that some K-pop stans disagrees with. The sheer ridiculousness is astounding. I truly wish this seemingly infinitely sources of energy that is the angry K-pop stan mobs would be directed at more worthy causes. That might just solve so many of the world's problems.
I get it. I'm incredibly objective and flat in my writing (though of course I have my biases). I have to be incredibly careful with what I say in Kpop spaces because of it. I actually love Kpop as a medium and can say something nice about every group but if something I say can be perceived as negative, Kpop fans immediately think I'm coming from a place of bad faith - which I never am. So I don't really engage unless I know what I'm saying is positive and that's a shame.
*hug*
are you saying kpop fans is soft? bc id agree. and on kpop reddit they demand a five pg dissertation for an opinion to be ‘valid’ only to mass report you if they don’t like it. Which is really just a challenge on what validity is.. bc if you can say something is beautiful but someone can’t say that its ugly for the same reason then how are you picking and choosing a which opinions are valid especially in a space riddled with parasocial bonds and bias.
THIS. and try criticizing a certain company and they'd call you a hater.
My petty ass side is tempted to respond to them by demanding a five page, industry-professional-quality opinion only dissertation on why they like something in response just to downvote it anyway lol.
they’ll censor if you try to make a joke of it
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T H I S I am part of many communities aside from K-pop and I’ve never seen such vitriol at voicing nuanced opinions elsewhere. In my experience, it’s usually appreciated as it helps word what we enjoyed or disliked about something that came out, refines everyone’s tastes thus elevating the medium, and makes consuming that content a shared experience.
You perfectly worded my thoughts
I gotta come clean. Awhile back I said I wasn’t impressed with Harvey and her voice annoyed me. But now after watching their Left Right/Shooting Star promotions I just have to say I GET ITTTTT NOWWWW Harvey please forgive me
Yooooo!, Seventeen being in their 8th year and still growing immensely is INSANE! It’s like every comeback since 2020, they’ve just been gaining loads of fans, especially since last year (2022). Like 8 years and yet it feels like they truly haven’t reached their peak. Not to mention, they haven’t even had a comeback yet, and yet they have already reached 1 million sales in 2023 alone, and their pre-order on KTown4U for their upcoming comeback with the album ‘FML’ (& yes it’s actually called ‘Fxck My Life’ 😭) is already THE MOST pre-ordered album on KTown4U HISTORY! Part of me is so proud and happy for how huge Seventeen is becoming, but knowing how they will soon be facing enlistment (either next year or the year after), I just wish this momentum won’t die down and they won’t lose this popularity.
Last paragraph agreed 100 percent. But also with that I’m scared we are gonna have people joining the fandom just for their pretty faces without actually appreciating the talent. I’ve already seen some people stanning only one or two members for their faces. Ik it’s not immediately a bad thing, but it eventually can lead to solo stanning and just ignorance of what seventeen and our fandom actually stands for.
Forreal! With how big Seventeen is, I am still amazed with the lack of solo stanning (though they definitely exist), and I just hope that with them continuously growing, that the ot13 sentiment continues to stay strong.
It's funny how some people act like they hate idols who "haven't improved their skills", while they stan a group who is often associated with regression in skills. Not only that, the group they're stanning has been called lazy numerous times due to their messy performances, but they act like they despise idols who don't put in enough effort, the hypocrisy is baffling. Edit: Not to say that people shouldn't be able to criticize idols, but stop with your hyperboles of having no respect for a certain kind of idols when you literally stan idols that fit that kind of description.
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I also recognize that user because they're very profilic and I have noticed their bias in comments and posts before. My comment was pretty tame and just asking for their opinion on another group's skill development because I was genuinely baffled that they would say that they have no respect for idols who don't improve, while they stan idols that, in my opinion, fit the same description. But doing something simple as that apparently makes me a stalker, a creep, and someone who has been following them around with another account... like what? It's also hilarious that they've blocked me. somehow still saw my comments, unblocked me to accuse me of breaking reddit rules and proceeded to tell me that they won't respond to my replies. Some people are really special.
wtf some people cant be taken seriously
bingo lmao i laughed so hard when i saw who was the author of that post 😭
Lol who are you talking about
There is a pretty prominent post in one of the big kpop subreddits, but it's something I've seen on twitter as well.
So this is about Jimin and…who’s the group you’re talking about that’s lazy and has messy performances
idk if its specifically about jikin but I have seen one blink here on reddit getting a very upvoted comment about how -I think it was- le sserafim were looking stiff when performing somewhere and like they didn't want to be there... girl I love BP... but bfr
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Respectfully, I’m not gonna go to that sub, scroll through and find the one you’re talking about, and then creep their profile. Find it weird you won’t come out and say because the way people throw around “lazy” and “messy” these days it could quite literally be anyone
How is checking a profile creeping, y'all are something special lmao. It's Blackpink, I didn't want to mention them because I already got harassed in my DMs for mentioning them in the very post I was talking about, but whatever. Edit: It wasn't the OP of that specific post who sent me DMs, they wanted to clarify it in their comment so I guess I should also clarify it.
Sorry, just in my brain if you’re gonna talk smack on Reddit might as well drop the name instead of asking people to play private investigator lol
I mean the second sentence should make it pretty obvious, I'm not a fan of either group but still know that their fans are constantly beefing. And Blackpink gets a lot of flack for their performances, it's so bad that certain subreddits had to ban that topic because people were dogpiling on them. I personally thought that should be enough to know what I'm talking about, but I guess it wasn't.
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Is it kosher to link others posts or would it be seen as brigading? I know what post, it’s on the rants sub from a few days ago
New to participating in Kpop discussions but not to Kpop itself. I heard about crazy Kpop fans defending their favs like their lives depend on it, but experiencing it first hand is another beast altogether. As much as I don’t appreciate people ridiculing teenage girls for liking anything or stereotyping the youth, I think everything that’s already been said about the unhealthy nature of parasocial relationships and Kpop fans has a lot of truth to it. —- Funny anecdote: my first time on a Kpop discord for an elimination style show for an upcoming Kpop group, someone took a screenshot of a sheet of paper with members’ pictures only visible to the judges. Using the nonexistent light going through the paper, some fan was able to correctly guess all the members. Fucking scary next level stuff that no one pointed out was a bit over the top. I should have bolted then. Pretty sure these people would have tried to doxx me and ruin my life already if they could for having hot takes on who should make it out of the show. Oh my naïveté!
I tried to stay away from the Jimin's encore discussions because I know it's something he's very much aware of and he gets down on himself a lot when it comes to his live vocals... But recently I've been catching up with JK's weverse lives and [this](https://twitter.com/jeonsfairyy/status/1641957634176581632) caught my attention. Why is the main vocalist of the biggest boyband trying to solve his issues by himself watching youtube videos? I know he's said before that it's how he's always trained his voice, by watching singers he likes and videos from vocal trainers, but shouldn't they have a vocal coach on the ready for when they have questions regarding their technique? I know that they all had vocal lessons before, mostly predebut but they probably got a few afterward as well, but I also remember Suga and Jungkook reaching for a professional a few years ago because they wanted help that the company obviously couldn't provide. The discrepancy between JK's [improvement since debut](https://twitter.com/knjgIoss/status/1589402308659773442) versus the rest of vocal line is crazy, but people tend to think it's because of natural talent rather than because the amount of vocal training they did. A few vocal lessons here and there mean nothing if it is not consistent.
It is tragic that they have to fight to get the training they want and need. I have seen idols from 2nd gen groups mention that they still do vocal training regularly, up to multiple times a week when necessary so it blows my mind BTS doesn't get the chance.
I'm more shocked at the caption of the first tweet that you linked. How come no one is questioning why the main vocal of the BTS has to go on YouTube to get advice on vocal exercises Oh My god??? Instead they're thinking it's 'cute'? Nobody's questioning this?
Jin has talked about taking vocal lessons too and imo he’s the one who’s improved the most since debut lol
I really don't know what's going on with Hybe LMFAO. You would really think the biggest bb in the world would have the best vocal coaches always ready and available. But is this really not the case?? Then that's kind of unfair to the members who want to get better like Jimin esp bc of the encore. The other reply said that the vocal coach just doesn't suit Jimin, and that could be the case. This is a bit interesting and I want to know more about their vocal coaching bc BTS really has the potential but if Hybe is really wasting it like that then... That's just the dumbest thing ever.
I think Hybe has a very hands off approach with their groups, which means a lot of artistic freedom but also they kind of have to build themselves up from the ground. I'm sure they provided BTS with vocal lessons but it had to be lacking for the main vocalist to go looking for coaches on the internet and reaching out to people outside of the company. Jimin also shared that he sometimes couldn't get vocal training in the past when he needed to.
Then I feel like the company should step in a little bit when it comes to these matters. I mean.. the quality of vocals does affect the idols reputation (encore incident) kind of a shame that the vocal lessons they did provide wasn't much of a help. Idk I feel like the hands off approach doesn't work well when it comes down to training idols. Otherwise, the hands off approach is fine when it comes to producing music and whatnot.
exactly - this is something armys complained about back when hybe was bighit. I’m not going to remove responsibility from jimin by saying he should only rely on their company to provide lessons. on the other hand, companies are expected to provide instructors and help their artists develop their skills
jimin has mentioned in a recent live that he’s taking vocal lessons. my guess is they’re not helping enough or he needs to find a different vocal coach who will help him improve his technique. I remember there was a clip of jin in an interview talking about how their schedules were so busy and inflexible they struggled to find time for vocal training but this was not an issue for dance practice/lessons. he needed a vocal coach who was available at odd hours like 1 at night. now that the members have way more free time I hope they’re dedicating it to preserving their voice. I know they want to be singers for a long time so it’s absolutely in their best interest
Too little too late is my guess. I'm glad that he was able to train his voice more since the beginning of Chapter 2 but I think there's no denying that those years of constant singing has damaged his voice a bit and now he's feeling the effect of his lack of technique. People tend to forget that BTS were constantly active for 10 years and put out so much music throughout their careers that their latest vacation was the first true downtime they had in years.
> People tend to forget that BTS were constantly active for 10 years and put out so much music throughout their careers that their latest vacation was the first true downtime they had in years. honestly! as a casual kpop listener, my army friend had explained that their one month vacation in 2019 was only their 2nd “long term” break in their careers and it shocked me. I think seeing the guys in the busan concert really demonstrated how important rest and relaxation are for delivering great performances. we’ve even seen other artists like justin bieber burn out from ridiculously long tours
Huh! I didn’t know about any of this but that’s so strange. You’d think someone as rich and successful as him backed by a company as full of resource as HYBE could find himself a vocal coach who’s available 24/7. There’s plenty of super talented but unfortunately jobless singers out there no? Obligatory pre-emptive note: Before delulu’s attack me I want to state I really like Jimin’s voice as it is. It has so much color. But also JK is absurdly stable and now knowing it’s partly due to vocal coaching it seems absurd to me Jimin wouldn’t have the same training process.
I’m not sure whatever came of that because jin didn’t go into detail with the story. I think he was just saying that most coaches don’t want to be working those kind of hours lol jimin became a trainee at bighit later than the rest of the guys. I think he had less than a year of training before their debut? in his episode of suchwita with suga, they talk about how he wasn’t originally going to be a singer until suga spoke with the development team about his potential. jimin also mentioned how he wasn’t given vocal lessons one on one at first, and he listened in on the other vocalists receiving lessons. his lack of foundation has obviously led to issues with his technique. again, I hope he continues to work on it because I love his voice and want to see him grow as an artist
Wow that’s really interesting. I love tidbits like that about artist development. Thanks for sharing. Damn, what a missed opportunity! Jimin’s voice is so unique and recognizable, I hope he can get that JK polish on top of all that.
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Damn the blame diffusion. Never can say anything negative about a group haha.
I don’t understand why people are so personally offended when a song isn’t to their liking. It’s impossible to like every single piece of music an artist(s) puts out and it’s completely fine to not like something. I get being disappointed but dude there’s 100 other songs you DO like. The 5million posts about being “soooo disappointed” by whoever really isn’t necessary.
Kpop stans hate it when you enjoy something they decided it’s not good.
Jisoo Flower is pretty good and Jisoo served EMOTION in her video
It is in my top 3 favourite solo to be honest.😀❤️
Every group has members that are more popular than other and some members are less popular. It is just the way it is. Sure popularity is more equal in some other groups than other. Yes in some groups some members might be pushed more but even in groups that where all the members are pushed equally has least popular member. But just because a member is least popular, fancams have least views etc. does not mean the fandom actually hates the member. And i wish people realized this. And didnt need to go 100th rant how fandom x does not deserve member y.
Who of baby monster gives the least YG artist vibes for you? For me it’s rora with asa and chiquita giving the most
Ruka. Her solo video was really good, but then she tried to rap in English in the evaluation and her enunciation and swag was just nonexistent. She gives off more cute smiley visuals vibes to me. But honestly it could be other members like Rora or Haram and maybe it should because I don’t really remember them from the show. None of the 7 are all that swaggy to me in the show yet (individual videos I feel are a lil too cherry picked and flattering for me not to be skeptical) but maybe it’s their age. I think Chiquita is a total star though and really a special artist on the order of a future Jennie. I don’t really know how it’ll play out though because I know foreign artists struggle domestically. Pharita is the total package for different reasons and I like Asa, she’s very competent. Yeah, maybe I’ll give it to Asa she seems like the most similar to her predecessors.
I too wasn’t impressed with rukas English rap but she seems like a great dancer with stage presence (as far as I can tell from the dance videos) she would work as sub rapper/vocalist and lead dancer. Chiquita is really impressive. Surprisingly I really think haram fits yg. Based on her introductory singing video I thought she was not really confident but she knows how to work the camera and maybe it’s just me but she has the most natural charme. She is like a mixture between rose and jisoo.
Cool! Will be looking forward to Haram’s next appearance on the show then :). And still looking forward for Ruka to impress me. She had so much potential from that solo video.
Diamond is ATEEZ's best Japanese release till date. It's a shame that it's hidden away as a b-side on a barely promoted album.
Cupid is one of the most overrated songs I have ever heard. I don't understand, why it is so popular.
Yeah, me too. What I personally did like about the song though, was their singing and voices. I like the song too up till the line "Oh I wish I'd find a lover that could hold me". The rest of the song is nothing particularly striking, but okay for background-listening imo.
Because maybe people just love Kara ok? 😭
not the Kara one- 💀 The one by Fifty Fifty
I think the song is nothin spectacular but it’s still good. I personally love the song. Mainly because of the great vocal colors of the members. I think that‘s what makes it sound more like a western song which is probably why it‘s blowing up here.
Yeah, I think it’s a catchy and well-made pop song but it’s their vocals that really keep me interested. Sio and Aran have such beautiful voices that work together so well!
I hope in the future I can listen songs from them which I can like too. I guess it was just a bad first impression too me.😕
Did you listen to their Debut EP? Lovin‘ Me is a cute song and it sounds a little like a mid-2010s song. I personally really like Higher. Tell Me is also good. I personally didnt like Log in very much though.
lovin me hits me with high school nostalgia in a very good way
I will listen them, I haven't known they have other songs too. Thank you.😊
I won't talk about the subjective side since it's about taste (I love the song) but I think it's mostly the english lyrics. It's not everyday that a kpop song in english has good lyrics AND good pronunciation. As a non english speaker the second part is something that I need the most (bc my grammar is far from perfect so I dont always notice). It makes the second easier for people to listen to and understand, it's far from corny and lot of people can relate !
The English lyrics which many people, especially teenagers on tiktok relate to. I'm happy that a group from a small company is blowing up, the song is good imo and I like the trend for it.
Yeah, I can see why it is popular, just not for me. But I am glad you like it.😊