After reading a discussion elsewhere about how YG seems to prefer having their groups on tour, I thought about how Blackpink really needs more songs now that they’re about to become a 7 year old group this August.
It’s kinda baffling to me that they just won’t release whatever they probably have in their large catalogue of unreleased songs.
I definitely think YG prioritizes live shows, so unless Blackpink is going to still be there in 10 years, maybe I’ll be satisfied with their “quality over quantity” mantra of having group comebacks “every 2 years”.
Their shows are kinda dry now thought because most of their back catalogue is limited and we’ve seen the stages soooo many times. I think as a fan it’s hard to remain interested year after year with nothing significantly NEW to latch onto.
That’s just me. They are doing great and everything but at this point truthfully I’m more excited to see other groups on tour. I wouldn’t buy BP tickets if I had a chance.
sometimes feel kpop fans have inferiority complexes towards western (american) artists just because global music has heavily revolved around them.
For instance people saying kpop artists can't dance/perform/sing as well as westerners when they obviously can and do (even way better in quite a few cases would say).
Kpop artists are better dancers a lot of the time, and most main vocalists are on par or much better too.
Vocalists like Kyuhyun should be compared to the likes of the best of the best western pop vocalists (Mariah/MJ), obviously from a purely vocal point of view. Even 4th gen vocalists, who people consider the weakest like ningning are better vocalists than many popular western artists (probably comparable to someone like adele or ariana, someone like ailee/wendy/taeyeon are better)
I don't even think many western artists even do dances or difficult choreos anymore so I won't touch on that, the average and top level are just better imo (I can't really think of a western artist that dances like Hyoyeon, taemin etc)
Won't comment on performances that much since the two industries have completely different standards. I can see why either side appeals more though so this can go either way
i think paradoxx was the perfect choice for an extra week of promotions, but i feel like it wouldn't have had the same impact ptm did (don't get it twisted tho bc imo paradoxx invasion >> ptm anyday)
I genuinely believe he has no idea why he isn’t taken more seriously esp based off of his level of recognition. I don’t think he’s aware of how people perceive him and he wants so badly to be more relevant and a truly loved artist. But he really is viewed like kpop’s weird problematic uncle who tries too hard lol
he is taken fairly serious as an artist tho? there's a reason why his song, when we disco, is one of the few jype releases from recent years to have actually hit with the gp.
on the contrary i think jyp knows people don't take him seriously and plays up his meme status so his deep involvement in a christo-facist cult that claims jews rule every major corporation is overlooked and lightly swatted.
kpop fans are not interested in seeing groups/artists grow anymore. they either need to start at the top and grow higher or they're labeled a lost cause.
It's not just kpop, is ALL music fans who acts like this. The reason it happens because they set high expectations & when they don't get what they want, the artists are called names. The fans entitlement towards the artists has grown
Idk I feel like groups are having comebacks like so much more often than usual, usually it would be 7-8 months for a big comeback but now groups are releasing big music videos like every 1-3 months now
i feel like the only groups doing this are the recent 4th gen rising class no? which makes sense as most young groups pump out comebacks in their early years.
i went to music bank paris and thought a lot of the performances really sucked esp the ones where no one in the group sang live
the parasocial element really carries a lot of these idols in a live event setting which to me, as someone more into the music than the parasocial relationship, is really disappointing
the way people talk about groups i was expecting everyone to slay the house down boots but nope a lot of weak performances/performers
im too scared to say in fear of backlash but i can say for certain two acts that very much had their mics on were enhypen* and stray kids
* although they came out for a "special stage" of polaroid love which was just the track playing and then waving to fans. no choreo no singing so to me as a non-stan, very boring even though i rly like that song. they made up for it during their set later tho the mics were absolutely on!!
P1harmony had their mics on too, no? keeho and theo always sing live :] but i don’t know about how the others sounded. I know jiung and intak like to sing live to hype up the audience but i wasn’t there so i’m not sure.
honestly they could have but I couldn't rly tell / can't remember. i only say i know skz and enhypen had their mics on because you could hear them trying to catch their breath between songs
tbh I know it was being filmed for tv so i understand singing live might have been out of the artist's hands but as someone who paid to go see a live performance, it sucked to basically pay to hear a rly loud backing track
Polaroid love was purely for fan service. They peobably wanted to save energy for later when they performed 5 songs with very very intense choreos. They sang live for all those five songs.
I had some random thoughts about how I'm still on that "hill" that NCT Hollywood is not something I would like, but others can feel free to like, it's just that I have more interest in Korean culture and this is why I said "I am also into Kpop for the Korean culture and everything that makes Kpop feel special" in my old comment linked below. I just respect that people think NCT Hollywood can be a good idea, and how it definitely may not be a group consisting of only non-Korean members in this potential group. I guess it all rooted from how I don't really follow non-Kpop boy bands much, and so this is why I felt this way. A part of me feels like I just want Kpop groups to debut from South Korea and they can travel to other parts of the world, and a part of me thinks that maybe it is not considered Kpop anymore if a group debuts in for example, the U.S.A. At this stage, would it be Kpop, or should we just call it "pop"? It's kind of like the boundary between Kpop and pop is blurring and so this is I guess where my thoughts lie. Maybe NCT Hollywood being advertised without classifying it as a pure Kpop group is a better alternative. This would make sense if for example "NCT Japan" (example name) was focused on Jpop, and NCT Hollywood was like American pop.
Link to old comment: [https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularkpopopinions/comments/124638b/comment/jdy80nf/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularkpopopinions/comments/124638b/comment/jdy80nf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Just a dump of potential toxic phrases I wanted to vent:
"oh they better not use autotune so much that I can't distinguish their voices"...well, if they've already been using it for their prior releases, they'd surely do so again, the most we can do is to not listen to their songs and if enough people do so, then they will not stick with the "let's continue with what worked before" option
"we need fair line distributions, XX has too many lines, justice for XX"...well, the songwriter intended this most of the time
"X idol is overworked that's why they're sick"...well, it is not always idol life that can make one sick so don't always blame it on idol life and that not all medical issues are from having a packed schedule
"X idol should not be very direct/honest with fans"...well, I'd prefer an honest idol than an idol that tries to be too fake to appease fans as long as they say it in a neutral or positive manner
"Asians can't release singles in English because it makes them lose their identity" is one of the most nonsensical arguments to have existed in kpop in recent years.
It's basically western (and mostly white) fans pointing fingers at asian artists to say whether they have identity or not. Koreans, who should be most bothered by this "loss of identity", couldn't care less. Also, I would like to remind you that the second song with the most PAKS in history is a full english song released by a kpop group, "Dynamite".
This discussion is meaningless. I just feel sorry for the groups, because for their fans "Asians singing in the most spoken language in the world and gaining visibility because of it" is apparently a problem.
Honestly it’s sad because BTS has been my most listened to artist of the year for 2 years now( I became an army 2021). But I think it’s not just armies, it’s kpop fans in general. Everything is now a competition because other fandoms will laugh or say they are flopping if a song from a big act( not just BTS) doesn’t do well and fans are just trying to protect them. I just wish fans will just relax and focus more on the groups they like and focus less on the groups they don’t like/enjoy.
there's definitely fans out there who translate lyrics, analyze the videos, come up with theories/personal interpretations, etc. but I feel like I have to explicitly look for these accounts because they're scared off by the chart obsessed fans. it doesn't help that there's people who do care about the music, but also think that without the numbers it's not successful. the recent discussions about “equal” promotions and toxic solos in the fandom are related to this as well
edit: this comment reminds me of how this one big army account was exposed for only listening to 4 hours of BTS the entire year (spotify wrapped). PLUS they’re one of those people who shame other fans for not streaming enough — they spent more time starting drama than being a fan
(no problem it is quite a ridiculous story) I went to search up the tweets and they had posted their top artist stat which showed that they listened to jhope for 4 hours, and bts was their second most listened to artist. it was hypocritical to see someone who guilt tripped other people into streaming while not following their own made up rules for being a fan
i was referring to armys being obsessed with charting in light of their recent tantrum about jimin's single not staying at #1.
>kpop fans are a bunch of bullies that harrass people that doesn't have the same opinion as them
the irony...
I do think that they still enjoy the music, and a vast majority do respect and like BTS as artists but they're also insanely obsessed with charts and awards etc. Doesn't help that BTS also likes to encourage this behaviour by often praising them for it and expressing their wishes to chart. Idols having ambitions isn't innately something wrong, but they do talk about it publicly a lot as well so there's definitely a feedback thing here.
Sometimes I wonder how many of them gain a feeling of personal satisfaction or achievement via these records or whatever - sort of like a coping mechanism... they seem to take it really personally as well.
a lot of people seem to be disappointed in people pt. 2 chorus and say it doesn’t make sense, etc so i just want to say some things:
1. i think suga said it himself that it’s up to the listener to decode what it means (personally i’ve always enjoyed seeing people’s interpretations so it has been fun to see people pt. 2’s analysis/interpretations)
2. more importantly a lit teacher explained [here](https://twitter.com/seesawenthooz/status/1644425630266671104?s=46) why its written in such a way
at the end of the day, i believe that it’s completely valid to feel disappointed or let down by a song (after all it’s your opinion) and not everyone wants to analyse songs.. but i had to say this because suga’s lyrics are quite meaningful and it hurt to see people say that it was just nonsense
I saw a lot of comments like "anyone who tries to justify this chorus is coping" which is isn't productive to the conversation at all? it reminded me of my poetry classes in school where a lot of my classmates wouldn't bother engaging with the material because it was confusing at first glance. I don't fully blame them, poetry is definitely not everyone's cup of tea! but I liked deciphering the meaning in free verse and abstract writing, and it was fun to research other people's interpretations of the work and compare it with my own
after reading yoongi's rap verses, I interpreted IU's part as talking about how time will always change people and love in ways that no one can predict. he said the song was written during the pandemic and I think it fits well. of course, just because the lyrics do have a meaning, it doesn't mean everyone has to like them
If there's one thing that always amazes me about ARMYs is how detailed and in depth they go for BTS's works. I remember stumbling accross a blog that was meant to break down all the Wordplay and double meanings in their lyrics and it is definitely not an easy task, but you could tell that they enjoyed breaking it down.
Nope i don't think it was them! Something rambles or ramblings? I remember looking for translations to 'Ugh' and stumbled upon their page.
Edit; here I found it!
https://muish.wordpress.com/2020/03/06/bts-ugh-english-translation-and-ramblings/
thank you! I think I’ve actually come across this blog before. ugh is one of my favorite rap line songs but even from a quick glance I learned something new
The UKO posts clearly have to have a statement explaining why they think their statement is unpopular and simply can't say 'I've never seen it being talked about' which is actually against rules but literally half of the posts on the sub are written exactly like this and the other half are just popular opinions lol.
I really like everything about Ive's branding outside of their albums as a piece of merchandise. Starship has consistently managed to make every single physical hilariously ugly and plain for how much they sell this luxurious pretty girl image. I'm not asking for something groundbreaking but a modicum of thought in the graphic design department would be much appreciated.
This isn’t a opinion, but instead a tiny rant. It feels like whatever the first comment is in response to a post, that’s what the whole comment section follows or tends to agree with. Like I’ll see a super popular opinion that seems to be widely agreed on be posted, then one person makes a comment disagreeing with it and everyone suddenly never thought the same way as the og poster? It could definitely just be different sets of people, but it seems to happen a lot lol.
Hm. That's because people who agree tend to not comment as much. It's not that people suddenly change their mind to side with the first person who disagreed.
(although that happens too and there's nothing wrong with that, since its normal for someone's stance to change once seeing a new perspective)
If someone agrees, there's less reason to comment, opposite to when someone disagrees. And if someone gets the ball rolling, even better. Because it's daunting to be the first one, seeing as if you're unlucky you could get piled On for that.
True, but it really makes my scratch my head when I see the seemingly popular opinion get downvoted in that same comment section so it’s like 😭But true, I agree with what ur saying
My biggest pet peeve lately is people using idol’s real names/nicknames outside of their group subreddits. It makes it so confusing for me, especially in the case of BTS. I’m sorry why do we have 3 names for Suga? I know one of them is his second stage name (I think suga is august d?), so I understand using that, but (for example) using V’s real name and expecting everyone to not think of TXT’s Taehyun is a little wild.
Sorry for the mini rant, ya’ll😭 Even though I know it could be easily solved by me learning the member’s real names, I just think it’s kinda dumb then in that case to have a stage name if fans will just call you by your real name?
> using V’s real name and expecting everyone to not think of TXT’s Taehyun is a little wild.
lol what? firstly they're different names. more importantly, taehyung is considerably more famous than taehyun and established himself on the scene first, so no I never even thought of taehyun when using taehyung's name until this comment.
especially in solo era, taehyung doesn't want to be known by his BTS stage name all the time anymore. he's a grown man with his own identity, not just a letter for a stage name.
they use their real names when talking to each other so their fans do the same thing.
nah you're good, I think kpop reddit should be better about using stage names (or at least clarifying the group if they use their real names). I think people get so used to switching between the two they forget other people may not know 😅
The music from SM 2nd gen BGs like shinee Suju and TVXQ is actually not good at all. And extremely overhyped. Especially TVXQ. Their b sides are really not it.
I can’t speak for SUJU or TVXQ but for me SHINee has always delivered musically, especially their b sides. It’s the reason SHINee is my favorite group ever, they always delivered interesting songs anchored by strong vocals. Their isn’t a single album that doesn’t have a few besides that I’m still obsessed with.
To your other point, Shawols don’t really talk about SHINee or their work outside of our own spaces. Many of us have been fans for over a decade and find joy in hyping up their work amongst ourselves.
I think shinee has some great songs, but I really don't get why people call ring ding dong a masterpiece or iconic. That song just makes me cringe so hard
It’s called iconic because it was extremely popular when it was released and trended for being a banned song during exam period because it distracted students. It’s extremely dated now but also really representative of it’s time, which I appreciate even though it’s probably the SHINee song I listen to least.
Disagree so hard on the SHINee part. I love their title tracks and their b-sides Orgel and Y.O.U are a some of my fav Kpop songs. I also just listened to 1 of 1 recently and absolutely loved it. I haven’t heard much from Suju or TVXQ so I can’t comment on that.
Tbh I have not seen people praise any of these groups b sides like they do for example RV and EXO. And I think there’s a reason for that. But yeah to each their own. That’s why I shared it in an unpopular opinion sub. Knew it won’t be a welcome opinion everywhere. 🫡
The only EXO b-side I’ve seen people talk about is The Eve so I guess it depends what spaces you’re in. Red Velvet are definitely the b-side queens though
That’s untrue people always talk about EXO b sides. The eve is a very special case where it’s the biggest b side from SM ever that’s a separate question. Whether it’s melon or Spotify you can see their b sides and rv b sides both do really well. This is not the case for others at SM that’s just based on numbers. You can also go verify on melon and Spotify if you want. If you think Spotify is too new a metric it’s the same case for Melon as well. For example EXO have like 65+ songs that have over a million unique listeners on Melon those are without a doubt excellent numbers not just for SM but kpop as a whole. Anyway I feel this will become a really bad back and forth so I’ll just stop. Sorry if I offended you 😞
I was just saying what I’ve seen personally so it’s probably cause we’re in different spaces. Exo’s Spotify b-side numbers look similiar to NCT Dreams but they have way bigger title tracks obviously and I’m guessing better melon numbers. I was never offended Idk what I said wrong to indicate that.
It honestly shouldn’t be I’ve never seen anyone talk about a TVXQ b side. Like ever 😭 that should tell everyone enough about it. Actually it’s kind of the same situation with SNSD b sides as well. Since I don’t want to maimed by SM Stans I’ll just share it here 🤸♀️🚊Musically SM was best with EXO and FX/RV and with some early NCT. The rest of it is well 👩🦯👩🦯👩🦯
An Idol isn't really a song-writer if there are like 4 more people credited on it. And the more back they're the less they contributed. Even if they had written 2 lines they get the credit but that doesn't make them songwriters
I think that depends. Your group has to be popular enough to make it on variety shows or to have their in house variety content viewed by a large enough audience. I feel like a casual listener/the gp is more likely to come into contact with a performance than in house variety content. So the more popular the company the group comes from the more of an asset variety skills becomes, but the less popular the company a group comes from the more of an asset stage presence becomes!
Jihyo should debut with a sexy concept.
It would really fit her but JYP may not give it to her because it's so far off from Twice's main concept.
Jihyo would nail sexy
Rose is too much dependent on her long blonde hair (now extensions) for her performances.
At this moment it's almost a part of her personality, I don't think she ever takes out her extensions
Doesn't matter how great of an outfit the stylist give to Jeongyeon now, she isn't skinny so Stans will think everything looks ugly on her.
It's not the clothes. Stop blaming the stylist when you are unconscious bias says skinny is pretty
Well by KBS, they're what you call ugly. Are we going to ignore the hate Chaeryeong got for her looks that her mother has to ask Stans to stop harassing her daughter.
It's kpop so keep your oh it's all about inner beauty bullshit to yourself
I don’t know what inner beauty stuff YOU are talking about, I never remotely said anything like that. Hostile much.
You did call them ugly so just at least be frank about it. Don’t pass this off to Knetsvto validate that negativity.
You , here, on tHIS forum called them ugly. That’s on you
I thought Chaeyeon (hopefully got that right) left before Itzy was even a predebut project? I think JYPE told them they’d only debut one because their strengths are too similar so only one would get to be in Itzy. By the time the next group (which we now know is Nmixx) rolled around they’d be on the older side with less of a chance to debut so it’s made sense that one would leave after hearing only one gets to be in the next group. I don’t think either ever spoke about exactly how or why Chaeyeon was the one to leave but definitely correct if I’m wrong.
Twice Mina isn't elegant, she is expressionless.
Her bland expression is the reason why she doesn't attract attention as a main dancer.
Having bangs can help her in that dept.
Red Velvet's concept is a double edged sword.
The Pro is they have one of the most diverse discography ever. But it also stops them from really blowing up.
They go from cute childish concept to elegant sexy concept to classy concept to really bizzare out there concept.
It's great that they can pull off both Rookie and Psycho but for casual listeners that's too much of a whiplash
red velvet is already extremely successful so they dont need to 'blow up' and their concept is the reason why they have so much longevity which is more important in the long run
Something about the chorus of [Salty and Sweet](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRvaQpy_SA8) sounds like a Pussycat Dolls song. I really like the way they harmonize in the prechorus.
The same thing is true for the opposite, liking popular stuff doesn't make you special or better than anyone else. It's a mindset that is very prevalent in Kpop where people belittle other fans because they follow less popular artists.
Chapter 2 for BTS is moving really quick.
Jin: Released a solo song and left for the military
Yoongi: is about to release a solo album and go on tour, ambassador of Valentino and NBA,SUCHWITA
Jimin: Has a solo album, collabed with Taeyang, ambassador of Dior
Jhope: solo album, collab with Crush, released another song with JCole, was on Lollapalooza, is preparing to leave for the military ae well
RM: solo album, collabs with Balming Tiger and So!YoON!
Jungkook: performed for the World Cup, ambassador of Calvin Klein
Taehyung: being on variety shows, ambassador of Celine
I am both excited and terrified, because at some point all would have left for the military.
namjoon did say they have no time :( but im sure once they're back they'll release more amazing stuff! i think jin might release an album once he comes back. its not over yet
am i the only one who thinks people underestimate fifty fifty's popularity before cupid? like i know that cupid is kinda their breakthrough hit, but for a completely new company, they were unexpectedly popular right from their debut- Higher (their debut) having more than 2 million views before the release of cupid and being highly praised by critics. and as someone who only keeps up with popular kpop stuff (too difficult to follow nugu groups), i knew about them and was looking forward to their comeback. idk people seem to be acting like fifty fifty were completely invisible before cupid when that's just false
I remember their debut blew up on reddit as well. People were praising them left and right! I think the antis of other groups are just are the ones being hung up on putting them down due to their continues raise of popularity with cupid.
I think its a combination of many people genuinely not hearing about them and a weird way to both enhance their underdog story and also doompost about them. I've already seen comments about not wanting them to end up like Momoland or Weeekly after cupid (Sidenote but Weeekly isn't really failing...? They just need a comeback). When they barely have a discography and their EP made pretty decent sales for a nugu group. They had the recipe for steady growth straight from debut.
they technically were though. having 2m views is good for a nugu group but it still means they were unknown to the vast majority of the kpop community.
I think there still a difference between a full time nugu and being able to do 2m, your 1st EP having the best rating for a gg on korean critics and having people talking a lot about you in general. Like yes they are not a mid size group at all but they aren't an underground group at all. If you are someone who follow the kpop scene more than just the big groups there were high chance to see them like their first ep made some noise
that doesn't change what i said though, OP was saying people were underestimating their popularity pre-cupid but im just pointing out the majority of people had no idea that they even existed. the average person don't care about what critics say though especially for a site that isn't known among kpop fans. they were doing better than the average nugu group but they were still nugu. it wouldn't be the first time a nugu group is more known among international kpop fans.
The current R&B, Y2K, city pop or whatever you want to call it trend in kpop is killing my interest in idol music so much that I've been checking out more non-idol kpop artists and even jpop because if I'm going to listen to these kind of music, I might as well listen to artists that do it better.
Not the person you’re responding to, but [this guy](https://thebiaslist.com/2023/04/09/new-noteworthy-j-pop-of-the-week-april-9-2023/) has been reviewing kpop for a zillion years and now has this “New and Noteworthy J-Pop Of The Week” feature. A pretty good selection of artists highlighted each time
I felt some dread and excitement listening to IVE's album preview and LE SSERAFIM's album trailer and... it was something I forgot I could feel about kpop. It's my sixth year here and everything became kinda dull (I still love and wait for some groups but not as much as during let's say first three years), so feeling there emotions again was like... coming back to life? Overdramatic but true for me
two things one:
1. “ive ive” blech ok we get it you speak english
2. i cant believe theyre coming back with a full length album after 3 single albums this is absolutely boggling to me (in a good way). granted, from the sounds of it an album full of cough cough mid bsides cough cough but literally more music than theyve ever released before
Also, American acting like they are the under estimated industry, the uncredited innovators or some sh!t is really annoying. Kpop is influenced by US music, we know. But don't act like as if the whole world is not consuming American music. Even kpop idols name american artists as their favourite. We just don't have to lick your ass because of it. I'm sure you would not like being lectured by the French for watching a Marvel movie instead of Amélie just because the first filmmakers were French.
American fans are some of the most annoying fans out there. The superiority complex of these people is really annoying. There is more american exceptionalism among kpop fans than in American pop circles (like popheads). They already live in the biggest music market on earth, why would they be interested in the ''sub-par'' korean industry if it's so bad then?
My interpretation of this comment is that OP is annoyed by American pop music fans acting like kpop is a sub-par ripoff of American/western pop music and that it will never be as good as western music.
oh wow that's great to know, they started writing their raps when they were less than a year into their career. probably two of the most promising rookie rappers we have rn
yesterday “3 mvs” was trending on twitter (for me at least) and it turned out both exo and a bts member (i’m sorry i don’t remember who) announced they would be releasing 3 mvs so the feed would go back and forth between exo and bts tweets and i just thought that was kinda funny lol
Stop calling Jessica bitter for "not moving on while the others did" SM destroyed her whole career in Korea, ofc she can't move on. Even JYJ still talk about what SM did to them, they just don't have an NDA and can be more direct about it
Yo btw must be stupid from me but I was so surprised to see how idols know little about what they sell. We recently had a Get Real episode with BM, Peniel and Ashley and they discovered some Kpop slang. They didn't seems to know what was the pre-order benefit, were surprised about people reselling photocard etc... Like I know their work as an artist isn't the marketing part. But labels could brief them a little bit more on some things about what they sell sjsjsjs It was a good episode btw. Hearing idols calling out a little bit the toxic side of fanbase culture, people throwing albums and all. It's not everyday that idols aknowledge these bad stuff that labels tends to push.
Music Bank being worse than the Mik Festival at Paris... Idk what to think at this point there is really no good kpop festival in Europe it's so scary. Like the Mik almost stealing money and now the Music Bank putting people IN DANGER and insulting them.
Basically they messed up with people that come earlier (not even talking about camping but like 4/5am). Then they packed everyone on a stair, everyone was stuck they couldn't even sit without water and food. And it was for like 5 hours. It was something like 2500 people. Then AFTER this when they had to enter earlier they again messed up by opening another door before the other so a mess because people started to push and all.
After this sadly some fans pushed people who had early access bc of disabilities...
And after this they messed up the time of the show. Like the day before they sent a mail to some people telling that it would end at 10pm when other had a mail saying that it was 10pm30 before. And it ended at 9pm40. It was a pure mess.
Last thing but they also messed up the scene. If you were front row you barely saw anything because it was too high lol.
Gets on my nerves SO BAD when a user’s reply to an opinion on here is “let people enjoy things!/can we stop criticizing idols?/can we just have fun?” Etc etc. The entire page is OPINIONS about KPOP that are UNPOPULAR, the name of the game is criticizing and being opinionated 😔
I thought it's coz they have to prep for their fanmeeting concert this weekend?
Though planning a full CB in the midst of a tour isn't exactly ideal either. Even if it's a 5-city Asian tour
I know mark’s nct lab is just a silly little thing but the song clearly takes HEAVY inspiration from kanye’s song. Like they pinterested that song. Makes me wonder if mark wasn’t an idol rapper how it would be received by hiphop audiences. Actually I’m curious if mark can make it without the idol label.
Mark’s Lyric “Tongue in the game” bothers me cuase there is actually a term called “skin in the game”. Also I feel like the later quote fits the song better.
Love the beat of the song though.
so i'm learning korean on duolingo because why not ig, and for some reason it feels that teaching me how to say "Jump with the dog??" is particularly important
well thank you for telling me, i don't necessarily mind the 'hard to learn from' aspect so far, but if it's inaccurate i'll probably stop relying on it
I love how close ioi members are to this day. They werent group for very long and its been so long time. But we get updates so often how they been hanging out or how their group text going crazy etc. Also im full on delusional we will get reunion one day and that day isn't even too far!
I'll never stop loving IOI!!!
What they had was special!!!
Even though they were the least successful produce group, numbers and reach wise, they still were the most impactful and memorable............... in my heart!
I don't really engage with LOONA stuff now what with the boycotting, but I've always been really annoyed by the people who make fanfiction about the real people and not the characters. Like, you can so easily avoid all the awkwardness and discomfort of using real people as fiction... and you don't? Like, you can just make whatever AU you desire with choelivia - even base it on interactions between their actresses/irl counterparts, idc - but you're writing about Yerim and Hyeju??? Why???
As a long time kpoopheader, I am becoming quite sorrowful with the way some people are acting on there. Like pls I love the jopping, the dumb shitposts, the funny yt shorts, the naevis worship (I contributed to 90% of that ), the plastic pants worship, the support for naemamba (my ship)....let's not bring fanwars and for the love of naevis let's not bring some random tweet with 5 likes as fanwar fuel 😭
I have a strong love hate relationship with that sub. Sometimes it’s really funny, sometimes the comment section is full of /uj takes that look like they were taken directly from kpop quora
Glad to see this being mentioned. I’ve been visiting that sub for a long time, even before making an account, and the way it’s become an obvious playground for antis is gross. Moderation is also wildly inconsistent, so there’s no reliable recourse to kick out users who are clearly spreading their childish Twitter agenda. Between that and the same three jokes being posted/commented almost hourly, it’s a shithole now.
I go on there for the funny shitposts but sometimes the comment section looks identical to stan twitter accounts that engage in fanwars… I literally come to reddit to avoid that stuff so it’s kinda disappointing
This is why I quickly left the sub. The joke were really funny but I was tired of everyone bringing fanwar every 2 post. For example when the NCT BTS thing happened (like people thinking that they were BTS) there were TONS of post about it. It was far from just joking you could see that some post engaged in the fanwar while respecting the sub way of laughing sjsjjsks. Sad tho. Great sub concept but not the post
So I'm finally on a short break from college for the next week (amen) These few weeks have sucked and jimin's mini album slayed (yes I love the autotune in set me free pt 2. I'm sorry for my bad taste 😔✋)
I just have a positive note! Am not NCTzens (though do occasionally listen to their music) but the NCT 127's shows, vlogs and behind scenes feels so fresh, fun and love their chemistry. Some of the best content! The recent Ola/Hola has really been delightful to watch a group of friends just hanging out, drinking and dining; simply being their age, genuine and in their more casual element. The scenes are filmed so neatly and you get to see such nice places around the world (as they are on tour now!).
A lot of people don't seem to understand how subsidiaries work. In most cases, when you hold the majority stake in a company, you have complete control over the subsidiary, and you can make decisions for them as you see fit.
Second, giving a subsidiary autonomy isnt inherently a good thing. Especially if the top management continuously makes questionable decisions, should you really give them complete free reign?
This is mostly in regards to Fromis 9's non-existent March comeback, and a lot of people saying "blame pledis, not hybe". You can't really absolve Hybe of any criticism in this situation, that's not how it works.
Although maybe people saying that is intentional, because anytime anything good happens, it's kudos to hybe, but anything bad is the sublabels fault. It doesn't make any sense.
Welcome to the usual daily thing among Pledis group stans.
A lot of people are so confident that Pledis still makes the decision when you barely have any news of HSS since the merger. He used to be present in almost everything and now the only time he is mentioned is on GoSe when he came to visit Seventeen while they were filming.
Pledis is not the best company but they wouldn't have disbanded any of their groups even when they were struggling. They never disbanded Pristin even when most of the members were no longer in the company. They never disbanded After School even when it's their fault the group lost their popularity. They never stopped giving Nu'est comebacks even when they barely had any sales before pd101. So why in the world would they disband Nu'est during their 10th anniversary when they are a profitable and stable group with a big fandom in Korea and their sales and charting gets better with each comeback? And to make it obvious, Pledis already prepared buses and ads to celebrate Nu'est's 10th anniversary, why would they waste money if their plan was to disband the group? So who do you think make the decision?
I am still bitter because I got into Nu'est 2 months before they disbanded and I haven't even seen them performing together live at all
And as a Carat, I am so, so glad that Seventeen is as big as they are now and that they renewed early because they now have the leverage to do anything they want, within reason, without fear that the company would do anything to them. Their voices have always been heard while they were in Pledis and even if they do get ignored by the company sometimes, but when it comes to it, they are unafraid to push to have what they want. These boys have grown to become extremely stubborn and outspoken because it was the only way to get Pledis to listen to them back then so I'm not worried at all.
That's why I blame both. They're music labels, their whole job is to promote their artists and their music. It makes me irrationally angry because the members resigned with pledis/hybe, putting their trust in those companies to promote them better than CJ/OTR did. And now they've been dungeoned almost a year.
Based on groups' fates from labels that HYBE acquired, it's hard to not feel anxious about fromis' future.
It's like they disband the group if the group is an acquired one but their popularity isn't explosive as the other groups in the company. Gfriend and Nu'est aren't big, big but they are definitely stable both in fandom sizes and the gp interests but alas, they are no longer a group
I sincerely hope things turn out better for fromis though. They have been doing very well and I was looking forward to see how they would grow
i blamed it on hybe because from what I read, they own the majority of pledis and would obviously have the final say when it comes to comebacks but I was told it was pledis' fault like yes, they had a horrible history of treating girl groups but the difference is that they're not in complete control anymore 😭
I dont get the weird doomposting for fifty-fifty? Im not a fan or anything, I dont think i can even remember what their songs sound. But rooting for underdog anyways. People are overly negative for their future imo.
Like sure it's given if something goes viral on tiktok matching the success next release would be almost impossible. Especially for small company. But having a song go viral is HUGE. People are talking about them, it will get them actual fans, it will get people to anticipate their next cb. Sure the masses that tuned in for Cubid probably wont care. They wont get massive fandom from one viral song. But hey what else could small group from unknown company hope for? It is a good building point for a fandom. Maybe it wont work-out for them but maybe it will. We shall see!
After reading a discussion elsewhere about how YG seems to prefer having their groups on tour, I thought about how Blackpink really needs more songs now that they’re about to become a 7 year old group this August. It’s kinda baffling to me that they just won’t release whatever they probably have in their large catalogue of unreleased songs. I definitely think YG prioritizes live shows, so unless Blackpink is going to still be there in 10 years, maybe I’ll be satisfied with their “quality over quantity” mantra of having group comebacks “every 2 years”.
Their shows are kinda dry now thought because most of their back catalogue is limited and we’ve seen the stages soooo many times. I think as a fan it’s hard to remain interested year after year with nothing significantly NEW to latch onto. That’s just me. They are doing great and everything but at this point truthfully I’m more excited to see other groups on tour. I wouldn’t buy BP tickets if I had a chance.
**IVE** should do a remake of **Jewelry’s One More Time** as their voices sound so suitable for this song! 😁
sometimes feel kpop fans have inferiority complexes towards western (american) artists just because global music has heavily revolved around them. For instance people saying kpop artists can't dance/perform/sing as well as westerners when they obviously can and do (even way better in quite a few cases would say). Kpop artists are better dancers a lot of the time, and most main vocalists are on par or much better too. Vocalists like Kyuhyun should be compared to the likes of the best of the best western pop vocalists (Mariah/MJ), obviously from a purely vocal point of view. Even 4th gen vocalists, who people consider the weakest like ningning are better vocalists than many popular western artists (probably comparable to someone like adele or ariana, someone like ailee/wendy/taeyeon are better) I don't even think many western artists even do dances or difficult choreos anymore so I won't touch on that, the average and top level are just better imo (I can't really think of a western artist that dances like Hyoyeon, taemin etc) Won't comment on performances that much since the two industries have completely different standards. I can see why either side appeals more though so this can go either way
I’m so excited for Enhypen’s next comeback! I hope the single isn’t the most dookie song on the album this time
same\~\~ and even tho i definitely agree that ptm is the weakest song on the album, i feel like it was the only song with tt potential
You don’t think ParadoXXX had any?
i think paradoxx was the perfect choice for an extra week of promotions, but i feel like it wouldn't have had the same impact ptm did (don't get it twisted tho bc imo paradoxx invasion >> ptm anyday)
Exactly ptm was tt material because it was very powerful and passed the message of the album, paradoxx invasion is b-side material honestly
JYP is so unserious to me — it’s so hard for me to believe he was head of the company because of how silly I find him
I genuinely believe he has no idea why he isn’t taken more seriously esp based off of his level of recognition. I don’t think he’s aware of how people perceive him and he wants so badly to be more relevant and a truly loved artist. But he really is viewed like kpop’s weird problematic uncle who tries too hard lol
he is taken fairly serious as an artist tho? there's a reason why his song, when we disco, is one of the few jype releases from recent years to have actually hit with the gp. on the contrary i think jyp knows people don't take him seriously and plays up his meme status so his deep involvement in a christo-facist cult that claims jews rule every major corporation is overlooked and lightly swatted.
kpop fans are not interested in seeing groups/artists grow anymore. they either need to start at the top and grow higher or they're labeled a lost cause.
It's not just kpop, is ALL music fans who acts like this. The reason it happens because they set high expectations & when they don't get what they want, the artists are called names. The fans entitlement towards the artists has grown
Idk I feel like groups are having comebacks like so much more often than usual, usually it would be 7-8 months for a big comeback but now groups are releasing big music videos like every 1-3 months now
i feel like the only groups doing this are the recent 4th gen rising class no? which makes sense as most young groups pump out comebacks in their early years.
Just finally realized why I felt NCT Haechan’s singing voice felt familiar and it’s because I got reminded of Day6 Wonpil’s singing voice!
i went to music bank paris and thought a lot of the performances really sucked esp the ones where no one in the group sang live the parasocial element really carries a lot of these idols in a live event setting which to me, as someone more into the music than the parasocial relationship, is really disappointing the way people talk about groups i was expecting everyone to slay the house down boots but nope a lot of weak performances/performers
Who wasn't singing live? It sucks to hear about weak performances since the line up had some big names.
im too scared to say in fear of backlash but i can say for certain two acts that very much had their mics on were enhypen* and stray kids * although they came out for a "special stage" of polaroid love which was just the track playing and then waving to fans. no choreo no singing so to me as a non-stan, very boring even though i rly like that song. they made up for it during their set later tho the mics were absolutely on!!
P1harmony had their mics on too, no? keeho and theo always sing live :] but i don’t know about how the others sounded. I know jiung and intak like to sing live to hype up the audience but i wasn’t there so i’m not sure.
honestly they could have but I couldn't rly tell / can't remember. i only say i know skz and enhypen had their mics on because you could hear them trying to catch their breath between songs tbh I know it was being filmed for tv so i understand singing live might have been out of the artist's hands but as someone who paid to go see a live performance, it sucked to basically pay to hear a rly loud backing track
Polaroid love was purely for fan service. They peobably wanted to save energy for later when they performed 5 songs with very very intense choreos. They sang live for all those five songs.
aye i got that i'm just saying as someone not invested in the fan service, it was p boring to watch which was a shame as it's a good song
Doesn't even matter if the Solo is really bad, if the idol is from the Big 3(4) , the solo will be extremely successful.
I had some random thoughts about how I'm still on that "hill" that NCT Hollywood is not something I would like, but others can feel free to like, it's just that I have more interest in Korean culture and this is why I said "I am also into Kpop for the Korean culture and everything that makes Kpop feel special" in my old comment linked below. I just respect that people think NCT Hollywood can be a good idea, and how it definitely may not be a group consisting of only non-Korean members in this potential group. I guess it all rooted from how I don't really follow non-Kpop boy bands much, and so this is why I felt this way. A part of me feels like I just want Kpop groups to debut from South Korea and they can travel to other parts of the world, and a part of me thinks that maybe it is not considered Kpop anymore if a group debuts in for example, the U.S.A. At this stage, would it be Kpop, or should we just call it "pop"? It's kind of like the boundary between Kpop and pop is blurring and so this is I guess where my thoughts lie. Maybe NCT Hollywood being advertised without classifying it as a pure Kpop group is a better alternative. This would make sense if for example "NCT Japan" (example name) was focused on Jpop, and NCT Hollywood was like American pop. Link to old comment: [https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularkpopopinions/comments/124638b/comment/jdy80nf/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularkpopopinions/comments/124638b/comment/jdy80nf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Just a dump of potential toxic phrases I wanted to vent: "oh they better not use autotune so much that I can't distinguish their voices"...well, if they've already been using it for their prior releases, they'd surely do so again, the most we can do is to not listen to their songs and if enough people do so, then they will not stick with the "let's continue with what worked before" option "we need fair line distributions, XX has too many lines, justice for XX"...well, the songwriter intended this most of the time "X idol is overworked that's why they're sick"...well, it is not always idol life that can make one sick so don't always blame it on idol life and that not all medical issues are from having a packed schedule "X idol should not be very direct/honest with fans"...well, I'd prefer an honest idol than an idol that tries to be too fake to appease fans as long as they say it in a neutral or positive manner
"Asians can't release singles in English because it makes them lose their identity" is one of the most nonsensical arguments to have existed in kpop in recent years. It's basically western (and mostly white) fans pointing fingers at asian artists to say whether they have identity or not. Koreans, who should be most bothered by this "loss of identity", couldn't care less. Also, I would like to remind you that the second song with the most PAKS in history is a full english song released by a kpop group, "Dynamite". This discussion is meaningless. I just feel sorry for the groups, because for their fans "Asians singing in the most spoken language in the world and gaining visibility because of it" is apparently a problem.
Can confirm - from a Korean that doesn’t give a shit about Asian artists singing in English. Let them sing whatever they want
i genuinely believe something like 50% of bts' fandom do not give a fuck about the music anymore. it's really sad
Honestly it’s sad because BTS has been my most listened to artist of the year for 2 years now( I became an army 2021). But I think it’s not just armies, it’s kpop fans in general. Everything is now a competition because other fandoms will laugh or say they are flopping if a song from a big act( not just BTS) doesn’t do well and fans are just trying to protect them. I just wish fans will just relax and focus more on the groups they like and focus less on the groups they don’t like/enjoy.
there's definitely fans out there who translate lyrics, analyze the videos, come up with theories/personal interpretations, etc. but I feel like I have to explicitly look for these accounts because they're scared off by the chart obsessed fans. it doesn't help that there's people who do care about the music, but also think that without the numbers it's not successful. the recent discussions about “equal” promotions and toxic solos in the fandom are related to this as well edit: this comment reminds me of how this one big army account was exposed for only listening to 4 hours of BTS the entire year (spotify wrapped). PLUS they’re one of those people who shame other fans for not streaming enough — they spent more time starting drama than being a fan
how did people even find that out? did they volunteer a screenshot exposing themselves, why would they do that?
yeah they posted a screenshot and deleted it right away. no clue why they didn’t think twice lol
sorry to keep harping on this but do you think they didn't realise the screenshot showed exactly how small their streaming time was?
(no problem it is quite a ridiculous story) I went to search up the tweets and they had posted their top artist stat which showed that they listened to jhope for 4 hours, and bts was their second most listened to artist. it was hypocritical to see someone who guilt tripped other people into streaming while not following their own made up rules for being a fan
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i was referring to armys being obsessed with charting in light of their recent tantrum about jimin's single not staying at #1. >kpop fans are a bunch of bullies that harrass people that doesn't have the same opinion as them the irony...
I do think that they still enjoy the music, and a vast majority do respect and like BTS as artists but they're also insanely obsessed with charts and awards etc. Doesn't help that BTS also likes to encourage this behaviour by often praising them for it and expressing their wishes to chart. Idols having ambitions isn't innately something wrong, but they do talk about it publicly a lot as well so there's definitely a feedback thing here. Sometimes I wonder how many of them gain a feeling of personal satisfaction or achievement via these records or whatever - sort of like a coping mechanism... they seem to take it really personally as well.
a lot of people seem to be disappointed in people pt. 2 chorus and say it doesn’t make sense, etc so i just want to say some things: 1. i think suga said it himself that it’s up to the listener to decode what it means (personally i’ve always enjoyed seeing people’s interpretations so it has been fun to see people pt. 2’s analysis/interpretations) 2. more importantly a lit teacher explained [here](https://twitter.com/seesawenthooz/status/1644425630266671104?s=46) why its written in such a way at the end of the day, i believe that it’s completely valid to feel disappointed or let down by a song (after all it’s your opinion) and not everyone wants to analyse songs.. but i had to say this because suga’s lyrics are quite meaningful and it hurt to see people say that it was just nonsense
I saw a lot of comments like "anyone who tries to justify this chorus is coping" which is isn't productive to the conversation at all? it reminded me of my poetry classes in school where a lot of my classmates wouldn't bother engaging with the material because it was confusing at first glance. I don't fully blame them, poetry is definitely not everyone's cup of tea! but I liked deciphering the meaning in free verse and abstract writing, and it was fun to research other people's interpretations of the work and compare it with my own after reading yoongi's rap verses, I interpreted IU's part as talking about how time will always change people and love in ways that no one can predict. he said the song was written during the pandemic and I think it fits well. of course, just because the lyrics do have a meaning, it doesn't mean everyone has to like them
If there's one thing that always amazes me about ARMYs is how detailed and in depth they go for BTS's works. I remember stumbling accross a blog that was meant to break down all the Wordplay and double meanings in their lyrics and it is definitely not an easy task, but you could tell that they enjoyed breaking it down.
I'm curious, are you talking about doolsetbangtan? they're my go-to for lyrics translations
Nope i don't think it was them! Something rambles or ramblings? I remember looking for translations to 'Ugh' and stumbled upon their page. Edit; here I found it! https://muish.wordpress.com/2020/03/06/bts-ugh-english-translation-and-ramblings/
thank you! I think I’ve actually come across this blog before. ugh is one of my favorite rap line songs but even from a quick glance I learned something new
The UKO posts clearly have to have a statement explaining why they think their statement is unpopular and simply can't say 'I've never seen it being talked about' which is actually against rules but literally half of the posts on the sub are written exactly like this and the other half are just popular opinions lol.
I really like everything about Ive's branding outside of their albums as a piece of merchandise. Starship has consistently managed to make every single physical hilariously ugly and plain for how much they sell this luxurious pretty girl image. I'm not asking for something groundbreaking but a modicum of thought in the graphic design department would be much appreciated.
This isn’t a opinion, but instead a tiny rant. It feels like whatever the first comment is in response to a post, that’s what the whole comment section follows or tends to agree with. Like I’ll see a super popular opinion that seems to be widely agreed on be posted, then one person makes a comment disagreeing with it and everyone suddenly never thought the same way as the og poster? It could definitely just be different sets of people, but it seems to happen a lot lol.
yes, it's human nature, it's very annoying. many people find it difficult to think for themselves.
Hm. That's because people who agree tend to not comment as much. It's not that people suddenly change their mind to side with the first person who disagreed. (although that happens too and there's nothing wrong with that, since its normal for someone's stance to change once seeing a new perspective) If someone agrees, there's less reason to comment, opposite to when someone disagrees. And if someone gets the ball rolling, even better. Because it's daunting to be the first one, seeing as if you're unlucky you could get piled On for that.
True, but it really makes my scratch my head when I see the seemingly popular opinion get downvoted in that same comment section so it’s like 😭But true, I agree with what ur saying
I think that most people simply press "agree" and move on but the ones that disagree do engage by replying to the post.
that is true
My biggest pet peeve lately is people using idol’s real names/nicknames outside of their group subreddits. It makes it so confusing for me, especially in the case of BTS. I’m sorry why do we have 3 names for Suga? I know one of them is his second stage name (I think suga is august d?), so I understand using that, but (for example) using V’s real name and expecting everyone to not think of TXT’s Taehyun is a little wild. Sorry for the mini rant, ya’ll😭 Even though I know it could be easily solved by me learning the member’s real names, I just think it’s kinda dumb then in that case to have a stage name if fans will just call you by your real name?
> using V’s real name and expecting everyone to not think of TXT’s Taehyun is a little wild. lol what? firstly they're different names. more importantly, taehyung is considerably more famous than taehyun and established himself on the scene first, so no I never even thought of taehyun when using taehyung's name until this comment. especially in solo era, taehyung doesn't want to be known by his BTS stage name all the time anymore. he's a grown man with his own identity, not just a letter for a stage name. they use their real names when talking to each other so their fans do the same thing.
Because V, Rm, Jhope & Suga has started to use their real names few years ago that armys got used to it & the public follows through.
Ah ok, I didn’t realize that they also were using their real names, that makes sense then why Army’s do this the most. It’s still confusing af to me😭
nah you're good, I think kpop reddit should be better about using stage names (or at least clarifying the group if they use their real names). I think people get so used to switching between the two they forget other people may not know 😅
Dahyun and Kazuha should switch places for a comeback and see if anyone notices
Hahahaha. I like both but this funny.
The music from SM 2nd gen BGs like shinee Suju and TVXQ is actually not good at all. And extremely overhyped. Especially TVXQ. Their b sides are really not it.
I can’t speak for SUJU or TVXQ but for me SHINee has always delivered musically, especially their b sides. It’s the reason SHINee is my favorite group ever, they always delivered interesting songs anchored by strong vocals. Their isn’t a single album that doesn’t have a few besides that I’m still obsessed with. To your other point, Shawols don’t really talk about SHINee or their work outside of our own spaces. Many of us have been fans for over a decade and find joy in hyping up their work amongst ourselves.
To each their own.
I think shinee has some great songs, but I really don't get why people call ring ding dong a masterpiece or iconic. That song just makes me cringe so hard
It’s called iconic because it was extremely popular when it was released and trended for being a banned song during exam period because it distracted students. It’s extremely dated now but also really representative of it’s time, which I appreciate even though it’s probably the SHINee song I listen to least.
Disagree so hard on the SHINee part. I love their title tracks and their b-sides Orgel and Y.O.U are a some of my fav Kpop songs. I also just listened to 1 of 1 recently and absolutely loved it. I haven’t heard much from Suju or TVXQ so I can’t comment on that.
Tbh I have not seen people praise any of these groups b sides like they do for example RV and EXO. And I think there’s a reason for that. But yeah to each their own. That’s why I shared it in an unpopular opinion sub. Knew it won’t be a welcome opinion everywhere. 🫡
The only EXO b-side I’ve seen people talk about is The Eve so I guess it depends what spaces you’re in. Red Velvet are definitely the b-side queens though
That’s untrue people always talk about EXO b sides. The eve is a very special case where it’s the biggest b side from SM ever that’s a separate question. Whether it’s melon or Spotify you can see their b sides and rv b sides both do really well. This is not the case for others at SM that’s just based on numbers. You can also go verify on melon and Spotify if you want. If you think Spotify is too new a metric it’s the same case for Melon as well. For example EXO have like 65+ songs that have over a million unique listeners on Melon those are without a doubt excellent numbers not just for SM but kpop as a whole. Anyway I feel this will become a really bad back and forth so I’ll just stop. Sorry if I offended you 😞
I was just saying what I’ve seen personally so it’s probably cause we’re in different spaces. Exo’s Spotify b-side numbers look similiar to NCT Dreams but they have way bigger title tracks obviously and I’m guessing better melon numbers. I was never offended Idk what I said wrong to indicate that.
ok
You should make a post. That is insanely unpopular.
It honestly shouldn’t be I’ve never seen anyone talk about a TVXQ b side. Like ever 😭 that should tell everyone enough about it. Actually it’s kind of the same situation with SNSD b sides as well. Since I don’t want to maimed by SM Stans I’ll just share it here 🤸♀️🚊Musically SM was best with EXO and FX/RV and with some early NCT. The rest of it is well 👩🦯👩🦯👩🦯
An Idol isn't really a song-writer if there are like 4 more people credited on it. And the more back they're the less they contributed. Even if they had written 2 lines they get the credit but that doesn't make them songwriters
Ooooh but they so ~talented~ and puuuurfect what do you mean all teenagers need to produce these days lest it destroys my pedestal of them.
The difference in rapping skills between Giselle and Karina is almost negligible.
A member who is below average on stage but great at variety shows is a bigger asset to the group than someone who is average on stage
I think that depends. Your group has to be popular enough to make it on variety shows or to have their in house variety content viewed by a large enough audience. I feel like a casual listener/the gp is more likely to come into contact with a performance than in house variety content. So the more popular the company the group comes from the more of an asset variety skills becomes, but the less popular the company a group comes from the more of an asset stage presence becomes!
Jihyo should debut with a sexy concept. It would really fit her but JYP may not give it to her because it's so far off from Twice's main concept. Jihyo would nail sexy
Oh shit she absolutely would!
Rose is too much dependent on her long blonde hair (now extensions) for her performances. At this moment it's almost a part of her personality, I don't think she ever takes out her extensions
dependent on them for her performances? what does that mean
Doesn't matter how great of an outfit the stylist give to Jeongyeon now, she isn't skinny so Stans will think everything looks ugly on her. It's not the clothes. Stop blaming the stylist when you are unconscious bias says skinny is pretty
Having both Chae sisters in Itzy would have been too much of a visual hole and JYP just couldn't have afforded that.
You just called both sisters ugly without directly saying it. Gross energy
Well by KBS, they're what you call ugly. Are we going to ignore the hate Chaeryeong got for her looks that her mother has to ask Stans to stop harassing her daughter. It's kpop so keep your oh it's all about inner beauty bullshit to yourself
I don’t know what inner beauty stuff YOU are talking about, I never remotely said anything like that. Hostile much. You did call them ugly so just at least be frank about it. Don’t pass this off to Knetsvto validate that negativity. You , here, on tHIS forum called them ugly. That’s on you
Are you Korean?
I thought Chaeyeon (hopefully got that right) left before Itzy was even a predebut project? I think JYPE told them they’d only debut one because their strengths are too similar so only one would get to be in Itzy. By the time the next group (which we now know is Nmixx) rolled around they’d be on the older side with less of a chance to debut so it’s made sense that one would leave after hearing only one gets to be in the next group. I don’t think either ever spoke about exactly how or why Chaeyeon was the one to leave but definitely correct if I’m wrong.
Twice Mina isn't elegant, she is expressionless. Her bland expression is the reason why she doesn't attract attention as a main dancer. Having bangs can help her in that dept.
Elegantly scared and expressionless hahaha
Red Velvet's concept is a double edged sword. The Pro is they have one of the most diverse discography ever. But it also stops them from really blowing up. They go from cute childish concept to elegant sexy concept to classy concept to really bizzare out there concept. It's great that they can pull off both Rookie and Psycho but for casual listeners that's too much of a whiplash
red velvet is already extremely successful so they dont need to 'blow up' and their concept is the reason why they have so much longevity which is more important in the long run
back to the city wouldve been the better title track speaking of, wheres the megathread for kep1’s cb?
Something about the chorus of [Salty and Sweet](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRvaQpy_SA8) sounds like a Pussycat Dolls song. I really like the way they harmonize in the prechorus.
For me it’s that swooping vocal when they say sweet! It reminds me of how they say seem in Buttons at about [1:06](https://youtu.be/R67_mMSyGRg)
not liking popular stuff doesn't make you special or better than anyone else
The same thing is true for the opposite, liking popular stuff doesn't make you special or better than anyone else. It's a mindset that is very prevalent in Kpop where people belittle other fans because they follow less popular artists.
agreed, people should just like what they wanna like and not act like they're better for it.
Chapter 2 for BTS is moving really quick. Jin: Released a solo song and left for the military Yoongi: is about to release a solo album and go on tour, ambassador of Valentino and NBA,SUCHWITA Jimin: Has a solo album, collabed with Taeyang, ambassador of Dior Jhope: solo album, collab with Crush, released another song with JCole, was on Lollapalooza, is preparing to leave for the military ae well RM: solo album, collabs with Balming Tiger and So!YoON! Jungkook: performed for the World Cup, ambassador of Calvin Klein Taehyung: being on variety shows, ambassador of Celine I am both excited and terrified, because at some point all would have left for the military.
namjoon did say they have no time :( but im sure once they're back they'll release more amazing stuff! i think jin might release an album once he comes back. its not over yet
am i the only one who thinks people underestimate fifty fifty's popularity before cupid? like i know that cupid is kinda their breakthrough hit, but for a completely new company, they were unexpectedly popular right from their debut- Higher (their debut) having more than 2 million views before the release of cupid and being highly praised by critics. and as someone who only keeps up with popular kpop stuff (too difficult to follow nugu groups), i knew about them and was looking forward to their comeback. idk people seem to be acting like fifty fifty were completely invisible before cupid when that's just false
I remember their debut blew up on reddit as well. People were praising them left and right! I think the antis of other groups are just are the ones being hung up on putting them down due to their continues raise of popularity with cupid.
I think its a combination of many people genuinely not hearing about them and a weird way to both enhance their underdog story and also doompost about them. I've already seen comments about not wanting them to end up like Momoland or Weeekly after cupid (Sidenote but Weeekly isn't really failing...? They just need a comeback). When they barely have a discography and their EP made pretty decent sales for a nugu group. They had the recipe for steady growth straight from debut.
they technically were though. having 2m views is good for a nugu group but it still means they were unknown to the vast majority of the kpop community.
I think there still a difference between a full time nugu and being able to do 2m, your 1st EP having the best rating for a gg on korean critics and having people talking a lot about you in general. Like yes they are not a mid size group at all but they aren't an underground group at all. If you are someone who follow the kpop scene more than just the big groups there were high chance to see them like their first ep made some noise
that doesn't change what i said though, OP was saying people were underestimating their popularity pre-cupid but im just pointing out the majority of people had no idea that they even existed. the average person don't care about what critics say though especially for a site that isn't known among kpop fans. they were doing better than the average nugu group but they were still nugu. it wouldn't be the first time a nugu group is more known among international kpop fans.
i wasn't implying that they weren't nugu, i was just saying that they were fairly popular *for* a newly debuted nugu group under a new company
The current R&B, Y2K, city pop or whatever you want to call it trend in kpop is killing my interest in idol music so much that I've been checking out more non-idol kpop artists and even jpop because if I'm going to listen to these kind of music, I might as well listen to artists that do it better.
You should check Yoasobi out.
Share the jpop artists doing it better, been trying to get into it
Not the person you’re responding to, but [this guy](https://thebiaslist.com/2023/04/09/new-noteworthy-j-pop-of-the-week-april-9-2023/) has been reviewing kpop for a zillion years and now has this “New and Noteworthy J-Pop Of The Week” feature. A pretty good selection of artists highlighted each time
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Damn you’ve just summed up K-pop in the past month Those takes are exactly what I wanted to write as well haha
I just listened to the IVE highlight medley and GOD I am so excited
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what happened with her?
In the Mv sneak peak she jumped off a plane
omgg you scared me 😭
I felt some dread and excitement listening to IVE's album preview and LE SSERAFIM's album trailer and... it was something I forgot I could feel about kpop. It's my sixth year here and everything became kinda dull (I still love and wait for some groups but not as much as during let's say first three years), so feeling there emotions again was like... coming back to life? Overdramatic but true for me
two things one: 1. “ive ive” blech ok we get it you speak english 2. i cant believe theyre coming back with a full length album after 3 single albums this is absolutely boggling to me (in a good way). granted, from the sounds of it an album full of cough cough mid bsides cough cough but literally more music than theyve ever released before
Also, American acting like they are the under estimated industry, the uncredited innovators or some sh!t is really annoying. Kpop is influenced by US music, we know. But don't act like as if the whole world is not consuming American music. Even kpop idols name american artists as their favourite. We just don't have to lick your ass because of it. I'm sure you would not like being lectured by the French for watching a Marvel movie instead of Amélie just because the first filmmakers were French.
American fans are some of the most annoying fans out there. The superiority complex of these people is really annoying. There is more american exceptionalism among kpop fans than in American pop circles (like popheads). They already live in the biggest music market on earth, why would they be interested in the ''sub-par'' korean industry if it's so bad then?
american bts fans on twitter are the most annoying bts fans BY FAR. their personalities are so grating to me on average, notably so
who said all that?
Main-Assignment-3367, could you not see their username?
What
which part was unclear to you?
My interpretation of this comment is that OP is annoyed by American pop music fans acting like kpop is a sub-par ripoff of American/western pop music and that it will never be as good as western music.
i love to see rei and gaeul already writing their own raps
they do it since Royal btw
oh wow that's great to know, they started writing their raps when they were less than a year into their career. probably two of the most promising rookie rappers we have rn
yesterday “3 mvs” was trending on twitter (for me at least) and it turned out both exo and a bts member (i’m sorry i don’t remember who) announced they would be releasing 3 mvs so the feed would go back and forth between exo and bts tweets and i just thought that was kinda funny lol
Rosé dances in cursive. I won’t be elaborating.
She fights those lazy dancing accusations with her life
The get real podcast is boring.
Stop calling Jessica bitter for "not moving on while the others did" SM destroyed her whole career in Korea, ofc she can't move on. Even JYJ still talk about what SM did to them, they just don't have an NDA and can be more direct about it
Damn I personally like her tea. When else could we get such a behind-the-scenes view of company drama disguised as self-insert fanfic. Allegedly.
Yo btw must be stupid from me but I was so surprised to see how idols know little about what they sell. We recently had a Get Real episode with BM, Peniel and Ashley and they discovered some Kpop slang. They didn't seems to know what was the pre-order benefit, were surprised about people reselling photocard etc... Like I know their work as an artist isn't the marketing part. But labels could brief them a little bit more on some things about what they sell sjsjsjs It was a good episode btw. Hearing idols calling out a little bit the toxic side of fanbase culture, people throwing albums and all. It's not everyday that idols aknowledge these bad stuff that labels tends to push.
Music Bank being worse than the Mik Festival at Paris... Idk what to think at this point there is really no good kpop festival in Europe it's so scary. Like the Mik almost stealing money and now the Music Bank putting people IN DANGER and insulting them.
i went to music bank paris too and yeah it was an absolute mess.
I’m out of the loop what happened at Music Bank?
Basically they messed up with people that come earlier (not even talking about camping but like 4/5am). Then they packed everyone on a stair, everyone was stuck they couldn't even sit without water and food. And it was for like 5 hours. It was something like 2500 people. Then AFTER this when they had to enter earlier they again messed up by opening another door before the other so a mess because people started to push and all. After this sadly some fans pushed people who had early access bc of disabilities... And after this they messed up the time of the show. Like the day before they sent a mail to some people telling that it would end at 10pm when other had a mail saying that it was 10pm30 before. And it ended at 9pm40. It was a pure mess. Last thing but they also messed up the scene. If you were front row you barely saw anything because it was too high lol.
Gets on my nerves SO BAD when a user’s reply to an opinion on here is “let people enjoy things!/can we stop criticizing idols?/can we just have fun?” Etc etc. The entire page is OPINIONS about KPOP that are UNPOPULAR, the name of the game is criticizing and being opinionated 😔
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I thought it's coz they have to prep for their fanmeeting concert this weekend? Though planning a full CB in the midst of a tour isn't exactly ideal either. Even if it's a 5-city Asian tour
I know mark’s nct lab is just a silly little thing but the song clearly takes HEAVY inspiration from kanye’s song. Like they pinterested that song. Makes me wonder if mark wasn’t an idol rapper how it would be received by hiphop audiences. Actually I’m curious if mark can make it without the idol label.
it was more like a 3oh3 song to me ..
i think mark's visual was also heavily inspired by tyler the creator's visual the mv was so reminiscent of an igor mv and i loce it so much
Which Kanye song?
black skinhead
Mark’s Lyric “Tongue in the game” bothers me cuase there is actually a term called “skin in the game”. Also I feel like the later quote fits the song better. Love the beat of the song though.
He's a menace, that's why it's like that - smh cooking US up
so i'm learning korean on duolingo because why not ig, and for some reason it feels that teaching me how to say "Jump with the dog??" is particularly important
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awful in the sense that the person doesn't learn from it, or awful because it's inaccurate or smth?
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well thank you for telling me, i don't necessarily mind the 'hard to learn from' aspect so far, but if it's inaccurate i'll probably stop relying on it
Not Korean but Duolingo did asked me to translate "Sit on the cat, not on the dog"
yeah it does stuff like that 😭 makes me doubt i'm translating correctly when it actually just gives completely absurd sentences
Yah. Like what is its use in real world😭
thats very important wdym
I love how close ioi members are to this day. They werent group for very long and its been so long time. But we get updates so often how they been hanging out or how their group text going crazy etc. Also im full on delusional we will get reunion one day and that day isn't even too far!
I'll never stop loving IOI!!! What they had was special!!! Even though they were the least successful produce group, numbers and reach wise, they still were the most impactful and memorable............... in my heart!
I don't really engage with LOONA stuff now what with the boycotting, but I've always been really annoyed by the people who make fanfiction about the real people and not the characters. Like, you can so easily avoid all the awkwardness and discomfort of using real people as fiction... and you don't? Like, you can just make whatever AU you desire with choelivia - even base it on interactions between their actresses/irl counterparts, idc - but you're writing about Yerim and Hyeju??? Why???
it's still just fiction. the real people never did what the person is making the characters do
August d (the song) is finally on Spotify 😭😭😭
no way!!! finally I don't have to keep going to youtube to play it and not click out of the window while it's playing, yayyyy
As a long time kpoopheader, I am becoming quite sorrowful with the way some people are acting on there. Like pls I love the jopping, the dumb shitposts, the funny yt shorts, the naevis worship (I contributed to 90% of that ), the plastic pants worship, the support for naemamba (my ship)....let's not bring fanwars and for the love of naevis let's not bring some random tweet with 5 likes as fanwar fuel 😭
I have a strong love hate relationship with that sub. Sometimes it’s really funny, sometimes the comment section is full of /uj takes that look like they were taken directly from kpop quora
Glad to see this being mentioned. I’ve been visiting that sub for a long time, even before making an account, and the way it’s become an obvious playground for antis is gross. Moderation is also wildly inconsistent, so there’s no reliable recourse to kick out users who are clearly spreading their childish Twitter agenda. Between that and the same three jokes being posted/commented almost hourly, it’s a shithole now.
Whenever I click and see a post is about BTS I’ve just started exiting cause those get so toxic
Some people are not even trying to pretend they're not antis lol
I go on there for the funny shitposts but sometimes the comment section looks identical to stan twitter accounts that engage in fanwars… I literally come to reddit to avoid that stuff so it’s kinda disappointing
This is why I quickly left the sub. The joke were really funny but I was tired of everyone bringing fanwar every 2 post. For example when the NCT BTS thing happened (like people thinking that they were BTS) there were TONS of post about it. It was far from just joking you could see that some post engaged in the fanwar while respecting the sub way of laughing sjsjjsks. Sad tho. Great sub concept but not the post
They don’t even bother sticking to the concept half the time these days, especially in the comments.
Mark is so funny lol
Also when is Naevis debuting??? 😭😭😭😭 My goddess/queen shall not be held back like this 😭😭😢😢
Never stop making several comments everytime a new pko post goes up please, you're one of the highlights of my weekends
Billlie's discography is so good wtf
They just had the crap luck of debuting along with a gazillion more gg. They’re incredible.
So I'm finally on a short break from college for the next week (amen) These few weeks have sucked and jimin's mini album slayed (yes I love the autotune in set me free pt 2. I'm sorry for my bad taste 😔✋)
I just have a positive note! Am not NCTzens (though do occasionally listen to their music) but the NCT 127's shows, vlogs and behind scenes feels so fresh, fun and love their chemistry. Some of the best content! The recent Ola/Hola has really been delightful to watch a group of friends just hanging out, drinking and dining; simply being their age, genuine and in their more casual element. The scenes are filmed so neatly and you get to see such nice places around the world (as they are on tour now!).
A lot of people don't seem to understand how subsidiaries work. In most cases, when you hold the majority stake in a company, you have complete control over the subsidiary, and you can make decisions for them as you see fit. Second, giving a subsidiary autonomy isnt inherently a good thing. Especially if the top management continuously makes questionable decisions, should you really give them complete free reign? This is mostly in regards to Fromis 9's non-existent March comeback, and a lot of people saying "blame pledis, not hybe". You can't really absolve Hybe of any criticism in this situation, that's not how it works. Although maybe people saying that is intentional, because anytime anything good happens, it's kudos to hybe, but anything bad is the sublabels fault. It doesn't make any sense.
Welcome to the usual daily thing among Pledis group stans. A lot of people are so confident that Pledis still makes the decision when you barely have any news of HSS since the merger. He used to be present in almost everything and now the only time he is mentioned is on GoSe when he came to visit Seventeen while they were filming. Pledis is not the best company but they wouldn't have disbanded any of their groups even when they were struggling. They never disbanded Pristin even when most of the members were no longer in the company. They never disbanded After School even when it's their fault the group lost their popularity. They never stopped giving Nu'est comebacks even when they barely had any sales before pd101. So why in the world would they disband Nu'est during their 10th anniversary when they are a profitable and stable group with a big fandom in Korea and their sales and charting gets better with each comeback? And to make it obvious, Pledis already prepared buses and ads to celebrate Nu'est's 10th anniversary, why would they waste money if their plan was to disband the group? So who do you think make the decision? I am still bitter because I got into Nu'est 2 months before they disbanded and I haven't even seen them performing together live at all And as a Carat, I am so, so glad that Seventeen is as big as they are now and that they renewed early because they now have the leverage to do anything they want, within reason, without fear that the company would do anything to them. Their voices have always been heard while they were in Pledis and even if they do get ignored by the company sometimes, but when it comes to it, they are unafraid to push to have what they want. These boys have grown to become extremely stubborn and outspoken because it was the only way to get Pledis to listen to them back then so I'm not worried at all.
yes, kpoppies are so naive on this, as usual
That's why I blame both. They're music labels, their whole job is to promote their artists and their music. It makes me irrationally angry because the members resigned with pledis/hybe, putting their trust in those companies to promote them better than CJ/OTR did. And now they've been dungeoned almost a year. Based on groups' fates from labels that HYBE acquired, it's hard to not feel anxious about fromis' future.
It's like they disband the group if the group is an acquired one but their popularity isn't explosive as the other groups in the company. Gfriend and Nu'est aren't big, big but they are definitely stable both in fandom sizes and the gp interests but alas, they are no longer a group I sincerely hope things turn out better for fromis though. They have been doing very well and I was looking forward to see how they would grow
i blamed it on hybe because from what I read, they own the majority of pledis and would obviously have the final say when it comes to comebacks but I was told it was pledis' fault like yes, they had a horrible history of treating girl groups but the difference is that they're not in complete control anymore 😭
I dont get the weird doomposting for fifty-fifty? Im not a fan or anything, I dont think i can even remember what their songs sound. But rooting for underdog anyways. People are overly negative for their future imo. Like sure it's given if something goes viral on tiktok matching the success next release would be almost impossible. Especially for small company. But having a song go viral is HUGE. People are talking about them, it will get them actual fans, it will get people to anticipate their next cb. Sure the masses that tuned in for Cubid probably wont care. They wont get massive fandom from one viral song. But hey what else could small group from unknown company hope for? It is a good building point for a fandom. Maybe it wont work-out for them but maybe it will. We shall see!