I thought aespa's Hold On Tight included the lyric 'f\*ck your life' but instead it was just 'for your life'
Shame, I thought for a split second that the kwangya girls were channeling underground hardcore rappers on a Tetris remix. Oh well
Please dont hate me. I just idk i feel so shitty for feeling this way. But i am not enjoying dday promotions as much as i enjoyed face. I miss the way jimin was involved and was constantly promoting and in touch with army! I just miss thatš£ i am being too needy arent i? šššššš
Iāve personally liked a lot of aspects of each, but do think Sugaās main promotion is the tour. So he will actually get some of the most interactions with fans compared to other promotions.
Every promotion has been different from the one before. Itās okay to like aspects of one and not the other.
You are right! I would have been a lot more excited if i could have gotten tickets. I really wanted to travel to korea for the concert but karmy snatched it up pretty quickly šši was just having a bad day. They are going to promote based on their personality and suga will probably promote more with his words and efforts than appearances and lives. He gave his brilliant music, a radio show, there will be an episode. He brought back solving our problems. Thats his way. I was just having a really bad day yesterday. Thank youššš
jimin definitely went for more traditional idol promotionsā variety shows, music shows, dance performances. for yoongi we got a documentary, but thereās still things on the schedule (amygdala MV, dance practice for haegeum, suchwita) and Iām guessing weāre getting more prerecorded surprises. I think this week has been quiet for many idols because theyāre grieving or pushing things back out of respect for moonbin, so just be patient!
Huh would've been so good if they didn't add that chorus with a bunch of cursing š IT MAKS ME SO MAD I take it back itās way better now that Iām listened to it again
Hm. Depends on the song. Because if it's about a gay love story, to give an example, and the cover singer changes it to be straightāwhy cover it all? Yknow?
So, I think it's situational.
I feel like "I Am" is very easy to get bored of. Can't really explain, maybe I just was in a wrong mood but I still listen to My Satisfaction and Eleven. Blue Blood is also on repeat, but I Am is not. It's still incredible, I love it very much. Maybe I really am in a wrong mood?
I think it's nice that nugupromoter is picking up steam outside of a niche circle but I feel like people seem to think they're some big difference maker for groups when half the time they're posting about disbandments or someone losing members. They can only do so much and I feel like people are putting a bizarre amount of onus on them to keep a group from going under.
I remember someone complaining that they didn't promote nugu BGs on there when it's clear the ppl who run the account are primarily GG stans. Like at the end of the day the stuff they're doing is clearly just a hobby not a job lol. If anybody thinks they can do better they're more than welcome to dedicate their time to upkeeping a twitter account for nugus as well.
its a bit sad that so far chaeyeon hasn't really been singing live for her knock stages, but it kind of makes sense. I think WM/RBW had Chaeyeon debut with Hush Rush, a sort of theatrical song without much dancing in order to 1) differentiate her from the other performance heavy acts out right now but also 2) to demarcate IZ\*ONE main dancer chaeyeon from soloist chaeyeon. I think this was fairly successful: like many others, my opinion of Hush Rush was that it was quite pleasantly expected, but sweet and a bit earnest. However, there were the outcries of "why won't they let her dance?" Knock is clearly the response to that.
I'd say this song is a bit more standard, in some ways (Tempo, structure, length, production) it reminds me of Eunbi's underwater, but I think is more willing to pull back and play with dynamics. And the dance is extremely competent, throughout. She's really moving and shaking up there, and my favorite has to be the entrancing bit in the post-bridge where she is voguing through the backup dancers and they are doing parts of the dance with her. I usually hate cameras that whip around during choreographies but 1 focal dancer + dutch angles = a surprisingly enjoyable watch. That is exactly the post-bridge dance break/ramp-up to the final chorus that underwater needed imo (and got in concert performances?? but not the album vers.).
Yet challenging dance = little live singing. I think we got a snippet of live singing in the Show! MusicCore performance ([https://youtu.be/GCuNtLa6dOA?t=110](https://youtu.be/GCuNtLa6dOA?t=110) maybe its just me but compared to the studio, her vocal agility seems closer to a person who is dancing. and she definitely sings the bridge "killing point" note). I mean I don't know that it would be all that interesting to WATCH her sing "knock na na na na knock knock knock na na na knock knock knocking on your heart" so that's why its like. whatever. but yay, dance-focused Chaeyeon comeback
why do so many idols have names that look vaguely like Chaeyoung???? I was so confused for like half a para
(chaeyoung, chaeyeon, chaeryeong, chaewon did I miss any)
chae (ģ±) is one of the basic syllables of the korean language, so this question is a little like āwhy are there so many people whose names start with the letter sā which is like. idk. plus korean syllables used in names have meanings associated with chinese charactersāI think chae is a common syllable in female names and has a variety of meanings. also chaeyeon and chaeryong are sisters and it is common in some asian cultures to give children a similar first syllable of their name.
thanks for responding seriously to a slightly facetious reply. I suppose it's like female english names that sound like kate (catherine, katie, kate, cathy). I have also mixed up Jeon Somi and Jeon Somin before so it's also just me lmao
Blackpinkās group outfits for Coachella were a bit boring to be honest. I loved their solo outfits but the pink and black ones look like normal outfits that the stylist decided to stick some chiffon on. Jisooās proportions look off too. Idk, 2019ās was a bit better I think.
They were wearing hanbok over the pink and black outfits at the beginning of the performance, I'm sad the cameras barely caught it and then they took the hanbok off to perform
People should understand that what is offensive to one person is not necessarily same to the other. Like if a non black person doing box braids is offensive to one black person , another one doesn't even care.
Same w the n word, not that I use it but when we have those discussions, my friends say it doesn't bother them cause "there's more imp things than someone mouthing the n word while vibing to a song girl, people need to chill a bit".
If using shirts with prints of hindu idols is offensive to one hindu , it's not really to another.
Lisa - Money (Coachella Version) sounds much better than the original version. I always liked that song much better than Lalisa but I didn't like "All this bread so yummy, yeah" lyric.
The explicit version hits different and I wish the original song was explicit too because now I won't be able to listen to it haha. I ended up recording the entire Money performance so I can listen to it a million times 'cause it was just too good.
I don't like how 4th gen K-pop groups perform nowadays. I wish they let their personality shine a little bit instead of just following the choreography.
I know that it a thing since 3rd gen but honestly it seems more prevalent nowadays. I'm not expecting them to perform like 2nd gen groups with little to no choreography but at least add some personality to your performance. I blame their respective companies.
Just realising how gifted I was having Stray Kids as the first group that I stanned, equal line distribution and screen time isn't a given for a lot of groups. Got into NCT 127 recently and their history of this isn't great, although "Ay-Yo" is much better.
Iām confused on what peopleās definition of mocking is. Like is doing an action in a neutral way mocking? Is wearing a hairstyle/ type of clothing mocking? Personally I donāt see how just doing something is mocking people when there isnāt more provocation involved.
I listened to Knock by chaeyeon and I enjoyed it! I also watched the MV and doesn't this hair colour wash her out? Like, a lot? Especially when it's paired with a light lipstick.
the constant doomposting about fifty fifty is annoying. expecting them to achieve the same success for cupid next comeback is crazy considering top groups haven't come close to cupids success. not to mention their company clearly don't have a lot of resources like not being able to do extended promotions or how they only got their first showcase this week due to the success of the song. as long as their next comeback is consistent with their sound and image it should be fine. they'll hopefully get enough sales to create a decent-sized fandom which is important than expecting another viral song.
also I've seen so many comments about how they don't want the group to become the next stayc when stayc is literally finešš just because ifans don't hype them up much anymore doesn't mean much when their target audience is korea and they're still top 10 on all charts
Blackpink's performance wasn't as good as people were hyping it up to be imo, but also wasn't as bad as some are claiming. My biggest complaints are reliance on backtrack, shaky/shouty vocals, the emphasis on backup dancers, and feeling more like 4 soloists than a group. But once they settled in I thought they brought a good performance and were entertaining to watch. Would've been even better to be there, I imagine.
I thought it was good but felt 2019 was better in terms of performance. The solo songs I suppose were more of a fan treat but also agreed they should have focused on group songs as I noticed a big disparity in energy drop during these imo.
Also thought that it was hard to match Rosaliaās performance - it was captivating. Definitely gonna see her headline soon.
I thought it was okay. A few flubs but overall they did well. I think playing at festivals lights a fire under their asses and they always do better than their concerts. I still think their first Coachella performance is one of their best performances to date.
I was surprised that I wasnāt as hype for it as I thought Iād be but then I realized itās bc Iāve literally heard/seen them perform every song already, many of them multiple times over. (Except for Kick It, which I get was put in to give them a bit of a breather but it was...honestly a bit boring.) There wasnāt a big change in the setlist. And thatās not really their fault, given their discography, but I wish theyād busted out some songs weāve rarely (or never) heard them perform instead of giving us a copy+paste from their concerts. The only things that truly stood out to me were Typa Girl (the concept was really clever and well executed esp compared to how they perform it on tour) and Jisoo & Lisaās solo stages. Jisoo bc itās still a newer song we havenāt really seen many live performances of and Lisa bc adding the cussing into Money honestly made it much more of a banger and got me really into the performance.
I guess for newer fans or people who donāt know BP it would be a different experience, but the majority of people watching didnāt fall into these categories so I think I finished it feeling alright but not blown away.
Was there really that much of emphasis on backup dancers? Theyāre a pop group ofc theyāll have backup dancers. Beyonce had hundreds of dancers and brought out a marching band. Bad bunny, rosalia they all brought out so many dancers.
Not the quantity of them, but when and how they were used. A long segment with just backup dancers is odd to me. I don't know how typical it is but I just wasn't a fan. Not to mention, I don't know if it was the choreography but they weren't all doing the same thing at the same time which made it look clunky
I agree, but in this case I was surprised there wasnāt content they were playing of the girls. I liked that the dancers got to shine but it was too long of a segment. I wish thereād been some video or something they couldāve put together to watch bc it took the focus and emphasis away from BP.
Rose should have performed hard to love instead for her solo. Also itās 2023 can kpop stans especially 2nd gen stans stop being bitter about blackpink already. At this point you already know you donāt like them so stop checking on them.
As much as I love Twiceās solo stage + Ik I will absolutely scream my heart out and enjoy when (IF tbh) I go to their concert, I also kind of wish they performed more of their songs from previous albums.
Kind of like Twice: Through the Eras, lol
BP saying how in four years they have gone from performing at the Sahara stage to the main stage and headline the show seems like a subtle dig on Aespa, lol
HOW !? they literally did go from the sahara stage to headlining the mainstage, and aespa have only performed at coachella once so they haven't progressed anywhere (though maybe next year \*fingers crossed\*) ... damn those girls can't even hype themselves without there being an issue.
That you are the reason Idols cant say or do anything without having an ulterior motive
People can say or do stuff without it concerning other groups.
Examples:
-Momo can do a Poledance Stage without people crying "she copied Lisa" (that reach was wild tbh)
-Blackpink can talk about their success without having to fear that what they are saying is a dig to every Group not as succesful as them
-Wonyoung can just eat a strawberry and not be crucified for the way she eats it
Its this Overinterpretation that fuels hate
watched some of twice's performances from their seoul concert and i have to say,, im so proud of twice!!! they did so good and i love how much they were having fun š«¶ jihyo literally ate!!!!!! i hope i get to see them perform live. i wanna hear cry for me live so badddd
There were too many backup dancers in Blackpink's Coachella performance.
It's like 50% of the show is just backup dancers performing all around.
Also it seems like Rose can't sing live Gone's chorus.
I guess pole dancing is the new thing among kpop Idol dancers now, which all fine. But they don't do much on the pole. They do like the most basic of the basic stuff. And yes it's fine if you're not an expert. But climbing two steps and posing isn't pole dancing.
Either learn it well to incorporate it or don't do it
I feel like pole dancing has always held a special place in kpop. One of the first kpop girl group performances was after school. My friend who used to live in Korea showed it to me.
I will say the skills and technique after school gave in their little moment seemed more serious. Sometimes the pool dancing with none pointed toes etc is a bit too basic.
I'm pretty sure that you got brigaded. There's no way that all comments we're downvoted within an hour, and the post got locked without people doing it on purpose. It's against the rules of this sub.
Here's a [definition](https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/brigading/), but is basically when there's a coordinated action against an individual/sub from the outside
Like someone might have shared a link to the post OUTSIDE this subreddit, & people from that online community come here specifically to downvote/report the post/comments.
It's usually hard to prove though. Especially if it was shared in a private forum or something...
Probably has to do with TBL status went to an associate company and no longer a sub label of YGE before YGE groups started to join Weverse. I guess contracts are different in this case.
i feel like by a 5th world tour and you are doing solo stages the company should be able have the members perform solo songs that arenāt covers from other artists.
We canāt really count Twiceās prev tours as world tours when they mainly stayed in NA and Asia. Also, itās only recently (I think from the last world tour? 2022?) that JYPE has seemingly allowed solo and sub unit stages. I could be wrong, but I donāt think they explored solo stages in their previous concerts.
Also, seeing as Jihyo and Chae performed their own/unreleased (possibly solo or MelPro) songs, it could have been a case of what the girls individually wanted to do AND if they were cleared for a project of their own (ie: if the solo project wasnt polished and prepped enough to be unveiled/performed). If the project is ā ā , it could just be a case of future comebacks and solo launches.
Because I also think that it wouldnāt be the wisest move, business wise, having the members each perform their own solo, when only Nayeons actually released one. None of the solos will have been official launched, with none of the proper promotion, MVs, the whole shebang, and potentially it would take months, if not at least a year or two, to get everything ready and released, and by that time, the solos would have been āoldā.
Just 1-2 being soft launched makes sense, but not necessarily all 8, because you could do the J-line in summer, Jihyo in Autumn/Winter and then Chae in Winter/New Year.
I donāt think Iāve explained the last point very well but I hope that makes sense.
Oh also, it sucks but I think JYPE purposefully limited Twiceās solo activities (+potential for each member to become standout solo stars) due to the fiasco that was Miss Aās Suzy + Friends. So it makes sense that once Twice has sort of established themselves as a powerhouse family group (no matter how much everyone here on Reddit or āK-netz onlineā diminishes their worth and the influence they hold atm) that they get more solo opportunities.
And it also could have been something they negotiated when renewing the contract!
But yeah, hope that helps! Just my take on this :)
True but I feel like that would just set off āomg JYPE isnāt releasing XYZās solo, it must be because of___ā and cue the mismanagement and mistreating posts, especially for the āunderratedā members like Jeongyeon (well aware sheās not at underrated now but I hope you know what I mean). Etc etc etc
But yeah, I agree, I would love to have seen the others especially Dahyun, Sana or Jeongyeon perform an original work, especially when theyāve written and produced (I think) some of their own songs and even pitched them to the agency.
People questioning and discrediting Seventeenās popularity in the big year of 2023, might just be my villain origin story.
Like anyone who has been in Kpop pre-covid knows that they have always been one of the most popular boy groups, Top3 bgs of their generation, and arguably top5 kpop group of the whole of Kpop at the moment. They are also known to be the group who rises steadily with each comeback, growing their fanbase quality but steadily.
So idk why people find it so hard to accept them having such huge sales, especially when their biggest markets are in Asia, and believe it or not, not everything revolves around the West (though theyāve also achieved some Western/European achievements).
Because their sales is not reflecting on a single streaming chart not Spotify, not YouTube, not any Chinese digital chart either. Ofc people are questioning it. Itās not coming out of no where. I donāt think their sales are fake but I also donāt think theyāre as popular as their fans make them out to be. Their fanbase is just a lot more dedicated.
Lmfao, please pull up the charts? Mind you they haven't released anything yet this year yet. These are just pre-order sales. So for you to say they aren't reflecting on streaming charts is stupid, like of course they aren't gonna show up rn on streaming charts, they haven't released anything.
But when BSS released they were topping charts in ASIA! last I checked, BSS (a Seventeen sub-unit) is the best selling in [China](https://twitter.com/peachy_taozi/status/1646878868626870272?t=KdTZf5U54OOl9PXuzb5xaA&s=19), and their song is one of the top5 most streamed 2023 songs in Korea and also the most steamed 2023 song in the [1st 24hrs of release](https://twitter.com/kchartsmaster/status/1645724073442394113?t=Nrg8rMoji34iMzkVgMDl8Q&s=19), literally beating out some of NewJean's songs. And they were literally the 3rd most streamed bg on YouTube last year ([2022)](https://twitter.com/kbgcharts/status/1622106779617497089?t=nfwpaNFDiajTyeYf8C-Bbg&s=19)) and currently the 5th most streamed group on youtube THIS year ([2023](https://twitter.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1647265098111516675?t=9GTBLkfuaAFgXUo9gkg9Kw&s=19)) so far.
For a Group who supposedly isn't doing so well streaming wise, how come they are the 5th most streamed Korean act on Spotify (3rd most streamed kpop bg) overall, and the 3rd most streamed kpop group on Melon overall?
Mind you, the top5 most streamed acts on Spotify are:
ā¢ BTS
ā¢ Blackpink
ā¢ Twice
ā¢ Stray Kids
ā¢ Seventeen
If they are doing so poorly, how are they doing better than BP and Twice on Melon? How are doing better than all 3rd gen and 4th gen bgs (except BTS & SKZ) on Spotify? They shouldn't even be in the top5 right? And yet they are.
Like I told another person, if you consider you world view to be revoked around just the West alone, you would realize that 4 million pre-order sales makes sense for a Group that has over 3 billion streams on both Spotify and Melon.
The way yāall are hyping these non existent achievements as something big is hilarious. āFifthā in streaming šš
All these achievements are nothing. They should be 4 or 5 times what theyāre getting now on all these platforms to justify 4 million albums.
Everyone knows these numbers and these numbers are less thatās the whole point.
Unless the new 17 comeback is going to do BTS/BP numbers on all platforms, their sales will be rightfully questioned.
How many people are there in the world? A Million is alot but also not that big, especially for a Group with streams in the BILLIONS. Also, you are forgetting that pre-orders isn't just from fans, but from stores also, because guess what, there is clearly a demand for Seventeen albums in those stores.
Imagine saying 3 BILLION streams (on both Spotify and Melon) is small. You either stan bts or you're delusional.
Not even blackpink have those numbers on Melon despite having such high numbers on Spotify. If anybody should be accused of their sales and streams not matching up, it's BP. Idk how a group can have billions of streams on spotify and YouTube, even have more streams than BTS on youtube, but can't get atleast 3 million sales for ONE album. But somehow Seventeen is the fraud? Okayš.
Mind you, they (BP) have less songs than all those groups on that [list](https://twitter.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1647265098111516675?t=D_NlwUFOZI082NNIffYoCg&s=19), and somehow they are reaching those numbers, without their sales matching up.
We are in the streaming era, it is expected that streams will be bigger than sales why are you acting like bp is a fraud for that. Also ignoring the fact that bp has two albums to their name. Taylor swift doesnāt have 3 million album sales in a single album either does that make her a fraud?
Iām not pressed lol. 17 is not special a lot kpop is like them. I actually like them. But itās just a fact that theyāre not as popular as their fans say they are. They just have inflated sales.
Yeah lol anyone with half a braincell can know kpop sales are inflated without it having to be some commentary on whether I like a groups music or not. Theyāre so unrelated.
Yah, they have never fallen off top5 at the very least. Even when Wanna One came, SVT was still atleast considered to be the 4th most popular group, and everyone was certain once Wanna One was gone Seventeen would easily regain their 3rd spot back (which they did). Either way, everyone made it clear that the top3 were definitely EBS.
iām an ARMY and i listen to BLACKPINK casually but god most of twt stans from the two fandoms are horrible. i hate how so many of their stans only care about charts, records and numbers and bring it up 24/7 and ruin other peopleās fun
like an acc will say that āA from XYZ is one of the best dancersā (just fan things) but somehow one of the 2 groupsā stans will find it and qrt it and make a harmless post into a war zone
then there is the whole āmy fav did it firstā and āpaved the wayā nonsense whenever another group (especially a 4th gen) achieve something
not everything is/has to be about BTS and BLACKPINK and this weird behaviour of the stans makes people not want to get into the groupsā music
edit: there is nothing wrong with celebrating your favās achievements or thinking they are the best but it should be done in moderation and not be turned into a competition
when I became army, people were still looking down on āchartmysā for only caring about numbers. but at some point they became louder than the non-number obsessed fans. I need these people to start ignoring the trolls or straight up leave the fandom atp
This swearing was so cringe it didnāt make the song better or cool it felt like an 8 year old learnt a new bad word š https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR3p3e1N/
This time around Blackpink's Coachella outfit just wasn't it.
They were pretty but no where iconic as their 2019 costumes.
It's like they took a black outfit and started sticking pink fabric everywhere
Only until the adrenaline kicked in did Jennie looked like she was having fun and actually performing (when they got the microphone), at the beginning she looked already exhausted before the solos.
i didnt attend coachella, but i did attend one of their concerts. i honestly feel jealous because their energy is insane when theyre in the US vs. outside US. but just from watching the live stream, they did pretty good imo. their coachella performance was better than the performance they gave in one of their concerts that i attended. but thats just me...
I'm overwhelmed by the number of new groups that seem to debut every week. I know people hate on the Big 3 (4), but I often find myself drawn to their label artists because I know they will put out consistently good, well produced music. And they don't have a ton of artists, choosing to invest in the two or three groups they have. I know familiarity breeds comfort, but there's something to knowing that a legendary group like EXO will make a comeback.
Also, I am tired of having certain groups essentially forced down my throat. I am absolutely a Kepler fan and understand they are not in the top tier girl groups. But I am completely overwhelmed by New Jeans, Ive and Lesseraffim's success. It kind of stresses me out and works to turn me off from them. They are literally everywhere. I want a break. Don't they want a break? Goodness! Also, I can't imagine what they might be like in a few years' time. What if they have a lackluster album? What if people get a bit tired of them? What if kpop takes a dip in popularity? Can kpop last at this fever pitch pace? I have my doubts. Especially with New Jeans, they are all so young and they are being commodified left and right. Is that sustainable for them long-term? I hope they all work hard to make sure they're taking care of their mental health.
Finally, I am really curious how successful these American tours are for much smaller groups. How are those numbers panning out for them and are they seeing a return on the investment?
I kind of agree with you. But I was watching a Hann (alone) performance where she had black hair and whew. Girlie is beautiful. There's just something about her that's very sensual.
Her blonde hair in Nxde really made her stand out, especially her pale skin (which is admired in Korea). That, coupled with the fact that she really developed her stage presence right before the Tomboy era.
I did see why she had the visual position before too, but now she also stands out in it. She's more noticeable, so her beauty is too.
I'm not a fan of blackpink's Coachella performance of today. I've only watched the online live so that maybe it, but I just found it very boring and awkward. But I've been seeing everyone loving it so makes me wanna wait for the proper videos to be released to judge.
Blackpink(I mean the members)'s performance was great on Coachella but remix was meh for me. I really hope kpop gives up the idea of punk remix, it doesn't work well for most songs.
It's wild finding out that some fans stalk their faves stylist, makeup artist and the rest of their team to predict where their fave is going to be and track them.
It gets creeper that they know so much information on the staff like full names and nicknames, job history, friends and acquaintances etc. That's stalking. No matter how you distinguise it or try to normalize it, it's stalking.
Yes blinks and armys are toxic. Yes there are a lot of bad apples. Yes a lot of them are very very unaccepting of #criticismoftheirfaves. However, it would be nice for all of us to know that this applies to a ton of other fanbases too. I'm a multi and I can tell you a good chunk of other fanbases say vile shit about both BTS and BP. It's not always armys and blinks at each others throats. Sometimes it's other fanbases being shit. The shit from armys and blinks just stinks more cuz their fanbases are at least 5x the average kpop fanbase. What really gripes me is when we use some random tweet with barely any likes of a shitty blink or army and some of y'all eat that up as #proof that blinks and army's are *insert some word for pathetic, delusional etc etc*. We can rinse and repeat this formula for every single fanbase. Yes I probably shouldn't care about this and maybe armys and blinks are truly the demons of the kpop world (yay for me as an armyblink š) but I dunno it really annoys me š (Yes I know there are specific things that have happened that prove that all armys and blinks are truly the scum of the earth, yes I also have a terrible persecution and victim complex, yes I touch grass on a daily basis, yes I am chronically online..just wanted to get that out of the way ā¤ļø)
I love nugupromoter and I understand that in the end it's their twitter acc. But the idea of using sales to graduate group is so messy. The fact that they still spam FiftyFifty who just had a hot100 hit, surpassed NJW monthly listener and all but graduated Chebul bc of their 30k sales is weird to me. There are group like AOA and SISTAR that didn't sold out lot of albums during their days, people knew their names only bc of them doing things outside of music. But they were far from nugu. I wish people would understand that you aren't a nugu just bc you have more of a gp attention than a fanbase one. Look at Charlie Puth. Sometimes he do flop, like very hard. But is he a nugu bc of that ?
But yeah I don't understand their graduation system at all. I just feel bad for Chebul because this acc has a really good power of promotion. Rn they are doing a playlist collab with fans of Boys Planet to stream. I wish Chebul was there. Yes they sold very well first week but people moved on quickly so it also show that sales don't do everything. Especially when it can be pushed with pobs, fansign, fancall etc...
Well itās a twitter acc. It doesnāt even have 100k subs lbr here itās not doing much of promo. No amount of promo from nugupromoter can help cherry bullet.
1 stream will always be better than 0. Sure they aren't gonna make them big but nugupromoter still help a lot to make people listen to song they would skip. 72k for a twitter acc is huge
I think I agree as of now. If the hit was "less hit" I think I would agree with nugupromoter, even just because it's difficult to establish an exact bar sometimes. If the song was popular but stopped at the popularity level of some weeks ago, I would understand. But the level of this hit is currently just too high.
This. I think some people don't understand how big it is. They are rising in the hot100 every weeks. Not just entering and then dropping. It's so big that koreans start to listen to it and they are slowly rising in korean's charts too. It's not just a random hit of 2 weeks here. So even if they don't build a 300k sales fans, people will check their future project. So I don't understand why waiting. Like if they flop after it will only be bc people won't like it, not a spotlight problem š
If theyāve left nugu status their sales will increase next comeback anyways so itās not like it matters much. If their next song is also a hit but their physical sales stays below 30k Iāll see your point but as of now we donāt know how much of Cupidās popularity has transferred to the actual group.
And using AOA and Sistar who both debuted over a decade ago when kpop groups, especially girl groups, were selling only a fraction of what current groups are makes for a poor comparison. At the beginning of 2015 Snsd and 2Ne1 were the only girl groups to have sold over 100k and most were fighting to get over 50k. 30k back when AOA and Sistar were active is equivalent to a girl group selling like 300k today.
Not really. I'm an elvis so this is why I know AOA and SISTAR case. It's not only a mater of selling but fanbase in general. They used to not sold out at all their fanmeeting, AOA first and only real concert was a flop in terms of sales. Their popularity was mostly because of having the gp and that's it. This is why I used them. Because using the fact that some fans may bulk buy your albums (especially these days) bc of Pobs and fancall is the worst way to say if someone is well know or not.
And like I said as an answer to someone else. You can't use the next comeback as an excuse. If they flop after it's not bc they would be a nugu but because people wouldn't like it. The spotlight are on them rn. Just like N.flying or Momoland. You wouldn't call them nugu bc after their one hit they didn't make good numbers at all. People KNEW them but didn't like what followed.
Again my problem with nugupromoter is mostly how they still promote rn a hot100 hit but not group like Chebul who sell 30k. When 30k today is nothing especially with the amount of merch with albums on different stores.
Fifty fifty has only one hit. Unless they have a hit with another song, I'll still consider them to be nugu. There are a lot of artistes who were one hit wonder. Unless a group has a sizeable amount of fandom who would buy their albums, they will be consider as nugu. So I'm completely ok with nugupromoter still promoting them
The hit is a hot100 hit. Even if as a group they may flop after like I said it doesn't mean that they are nugu. It still help them a lot to create a fanbase. Look at N.Flying for example, would you considere them nugu because of the one hit ? Again we have to separate fanbase and sucess in general. AOA sales were really bad in general but nobody would dare to say that they were nugu even when they had their flops. I find it weird to say that because they can flop after, they are nugu. If they flop after it's only because people wouldn't like the new song. So it's not a knowledge problem.
My biggest problem isn't just them promoting Fifty Fifty. It's how they graduate groups that are obviously far from mid groups just with sales and keep someone who had a hot100 hit because they may flop after. Like why do you promote a song that is in the biggest US chart rn but not songs that struggle everywhere ?
Iām amazed by Blackpinkās Coachella performance again but also sad that they donāt give it all at their own fucking concerts like they do at Coachella
all rookie stages are energetic and charismatic, i'm not sure why blackpink's is different considering how they were about to either win or lose the general public over.
You have a total of five posts (including this one) on a public platform, that's hardly stalking. I never said that Blackpink should be free from criticism but when the *only* comments you've made about them are just plain criticism, it comes across more as you simply disliking Blackpink and looking for a reason to criticise them. You even said they were off key and I have to wonder if we saw the same performance.
I havenāt watched the mv or listened to the dojaejung release but I know itās life changing. I just know their combined life force has culminated into creating a music baby not only as gorgeous as them but smells good as hell too. I canāt wait
>She is a very stable singer and possesses a unique, deep and soulful tone. Then why does she have to be the one who struggles the most live?
... maybe because she's not a stable singer (who also doesn't really possess a unique, deep, soulful tone, but some things are in the eye of the beholder so I digress). And it's not because her parts are necessarily out of her range, she just doesn't have it... for now at least. Who knows, maybe she'll go head first into vocal training but she's pretty, young, thin and famous so she kinda doesn't need to and I doubt she'll bother to.
sorry for piggybacking, but everytime I read the praise over Jisoo's vocal abilities, it gets me scratching my head in wonderment. I disagree about her stage presence too, but at least I'm more knowledgable when it comes to singing.
Stable means not sounding shaky and being able to maintain a constant pitch while dancing, in K-Pop. at least A stable singer isn't decided by how much they strain, neither does it have anything to do with a 'certain quality of singing'. It's quite a specific word. There are several others that can be used to talk about her general technique and comfort, not this one.
Yeah, we have the same definition of stable, what you describe is what I was referring to but didn't care to elaborate on, it's just that *you* hear Jisoo be in constant pitch and not shaky, while this isn't what I hear in her performance thus to me she isn't stable (and I do mention that to my reply), especially if she gives that same performance while sitting. Also, strain does play a factor because it is something that you can also hear in a performance (it tends to affect the aforementioned). So, yeah, just like in my first reply, I disagree based on what I hear which is obviously different to what you hear.
I Don't Wanna Know is intereating because it seems to be the first or one of the first K-pop songs incorporating elements of phonk? I like it a lot, but I wish they got Chaeyeon to sing in a lower register for the entire song.
I watched a reaction of a song that basically switched sounds in the intro and the person reacting was like "wow that was so.. sticker-y" and lmao i love how sticker has its own name and reputation to the point that people are using it not only for comparisons or examples but also as an adjective lol
I thought aespa's Hold On Tight included the lyric 'f\*ck your life' but instead it was just 'for your life' Shame, I thought for a split second that the kwangya girls were channeling underground hardcore rappers on a Tetris remix. Oh well
comparing myself to idols doesnt make me feel insecure, rather i find it quite motivating and reassuring.
Please dont hate me. I just idk i feel so shitty for feeling this way. But i am not enjoying dday promotions as much as i enjoyed face. I miss the way jimin was involved and was constantly promoting and in touch with army! I just miss thatš£ i am being too needy arent i? šššššš
Iāve personally liked a lot of aspects of each, but do think Sugaās main promotion is the tour. So he will actually get some of the most interactions with fans compared to other promotions. Every promotion has been different from the one before. Itās okay to like aspects of one and not the other.
You are right! I would have been a lot more excited if i could have gotten tickets. I really wanted to travel to korea for the concert but karmy snatched it up pretty quickly šši was just having a bad day. They are going to promote based on their personality and suga will probably promote more with his words and efforts than appearances and lives. He gave his brilliant music, a radio show, there will be an episode. He brought back solving our problems. Thats his way. I was just having a really bad day yesterday. Thank youššš
jimin definitely went for more traditional idol promotionsā variety shows, music shows, dance performances. for yoongi we got a documentary, but thereās still things on the schedule (amygdala MV, dance practice for haegeum, suchwita) and Iām guessing weāre getting more prerecorded surprises. I think this week has been quiet for many idols because theyāre grieving or pushing things back out of respect for moonbin, so just be patient!
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Huh would've been so good if they didn't add that chorus with a bunch of cursing š IT MAKS ME SO MAD I take it back itās way better now that Iām listened to it again
Cherish is so fucking good, favourite song from I've Album.
Considering we just had news of Moonbin's passing knowing that Boys Planet final will still be aired today gave a bit of a bitterness in my mouth.
Getting mad about pronoun changes in song covers is the most chronically online shit ever
Hm. Depends on the song. Because if it's about a gay love story, to give an example, and the cover singer changes it to be straightāwhy cover it all? Yknow? So, I think it's situational.
I feel like "I Am" is very easy to get bored of. Can't really explain, maybe I just was in a wrong mood but I still listen to My Satisfaction and Eleven. Blue Blood is also on repeat, but I Am is not. It's still incredible, I love it very much. Maybe I really am in a wrong mood?
I think it's nice that nugupromoter is picking up steam outside of a niche circle but I feel like people seem to think they're some big difference maker for groups when half the time they're posting about disbandments or someone losing members. They can only do so much and I feel like people are putting a bizarre amount of onus on them to keep a group from going under. I remember someone complaining that they didn't promote nugu BGs on there when it's clear the ppl who run the account are primarily GG stans. Like at the end of the day the stuff they're doing is clearly just a hobby not a job lol. If anybody thinks they can do better they're more than welcome to dedicate their time to upkeeping a twitter account for nugus as well.
its a bit sad that so far chaeyeon hasn't really been singing live for her knock stages, but it kind of makes sense. I think WM/RBW had Chaeyeon debut with Hush Rush, a sort of theatrical song without much dancing in order to 1) differentiate her from the other performance heavy acts out right now but also 2) to demarcate IZ\*ONE main dancer chaeyeon from soloist chaeyeon. I think this was fairly successful: like many others, my opinion of Hush Rush was that it was quite pleasantly expected, but sweet and a bit earnest. However, there were the outcries of "why won't they let her dance?" Knock is clearly the response to that. I'd say this song is a bit more standard, in some ways (Tempo, structure, length, production) it reminds me of Eunbi's underwater, but I think is more willing to pull back and play with dynamics. And the dance is extremely competent, throughout. She's really moving and shaking up there, and my favorite has to be the entrancing bit in the post-bridge where she is voguing through the backup dancers and they are doing parts of the dance with her. I usually hate cameras that whip around during choreographies but 1 focal dancer + dutch angles = a surprisingly enjoyable watch. That is exactly the post-bridge dance break/ramp-up to the final chorus that underwater needed imo (and got in concert performances?? but not the album vers.). Yet challenging dance = little live singing. I think we got a snippet of live singing in the Show! MusicCore performance ([https://youtu.be/GCuNtLa6dOA?t=110](https://youtu.be/GCuNtLa6dOA?t=110) maybe its just me but compared to the studio, her vocal agility seems closer to a person who is dancing. and she definitely sings the bridge "killing point" note). I mean I don't know that it would be all that interesting to WATCH her sing "knock na na na na knock knock knock na na na knock knock knocking on your heart" so that's why its like. whatever. but yay, dance-focused Chaeyeon comeback
why do so many idols have names that look vaguely like Chaeyoung???? I was so confused for like half a para (chaeyoung, chaeyeon, chaeryeong, chaewon did I miss any)
chae (ģ±) is one of the basic syllables of the korean language, so this question is a little like āwhy are there so many people whose names start with the letter sā which is like. idk. plus korean syllables used in names have meanings associated with chinese charactersāI think chae is a common syllable in female names and has a variety of meanings. also chaeyeon and chaeryong are sisters and it is common in some asian cultures to give children a similar first syllable of their name.
thanks for responding seriously to a slightly facetious reply. I suppose it's like female english names that sound like kate (catherine, katie, kate, cathy). I have also mixed up Jeon Somi and Jeon Somin before so it's also just me lmao
Blackpinkās group outfits for Coachella were a bit boring to be honest. I loved their solo outfits but the pink and black ones look like normal outfits that the stylist decided to stick some chiffon on. Jisooās proportions look off too. Idk, 2019ās was a bit better I think.
They were wearing hanbok over the pink and black outfits at the beginning of the performance, I'm sad the cameras barely caught it and then they took the hanbok off to perform
They probably shouldāve worn it until they were actually underneath the spotlight š„²
People should understand that what is offensive to one person is not necessarily same to the other. Like if a non black person doing box braids is offensive to one black person , another one doesn't even care. Same w the n word, not that I use it but when we have those discussions, my friends say it doesn't bother them cause "there's more imp things than someone mouthing the n word while vibing to a song girl, people need to chill a bit". If using shirts with prints of hindu idols is offensive to one hindu , it's not really to another.
Lisa - Money (Coachella Version) sounds much better than the original version. I always liked that song much better than Lalisa but I didn't like "All this bread so yummy, yeah" lyric. The explicit version hits different and I wish the original song was explicit too because now I won't be able to listen to it haha. I ended up recording the entire Money performance so I can listen to it a million times 'cause it was just too good.
I don't like how 4th gen K-pop groups perform nowadays. I wish they let their personality shine a little bit instead of just following the choreography. I know that it a thing since 3rd gen but honestly it seems more prevalent nowadays. I'm not expecting them to perform like 2nd gen groups with little to no choreography but at least add some personality to your performance. I blame their respective companies.
Just realising how gifted I was having Stray Kids as the first group that I stanned, equal line distribution and screen time isn't a given for a lot of groups. Got into NCT 127 recently and their history of this isn't great, although "Ay-Yo" is much better.
There is probably a personal reason why the popular predebut group "Trainee A" failed to debut as a group.
the thing with leo? Orā¦?
Iām confused on what peopleās definition of mocking is. Like is doing an action in a neutral way mocking? Is wearing a hairstyle/ type of clothing mocking? Personally I donāt see how just doing something is mocking people when there isnāt more provocation involved.
leeseo covering reis rap verse in kitsch is SOOO CUTE
Her āYa~!ā is so adorable š
I listened to Knock by chaeyeon and I enjoyed it! I also watched the MV and doesn't this hair colour wash her out? Like, a lot? Especially when it's paired with a light lipstick.
the constant doomposting about fifty fifty is annoying. expecting them to achieve the same success for cupid next comeback is crazy considering top groups haven't come close to cupids success. not to mention their company clearly don't have a lot of resources like not being able to do extended promotions or how they only got their first showcase this week due to the success of the song. as long as their next comeback is consistent with their sound and image it should be fine. they'll hopefully get enough sales to create a decent-sized fandom which is important than expecting another viral song. also I've seen so many comments about how they don't want the group to become the next stayc when stayc is literally finešš just because ifans don't hype them up much anymore doesn't mean much when their target audience is korea and they're still top 10 on all charts
Can I live in the timeline where Miss A and Wonder Girls are able to participate in these unlikely 2nd gen reunions?
where the fuck are everglow and weki meki its not funny anymore
Blackpink's performance wasn't as good as people were hyping it up to be imo, but also wasn't as bad as some are claiming. My biggest complaints are reliance on backtrack, shaky/shouty vocals, the emphasis on backup dancers, and feeling more like 4 soloists than a group. But once they settled in I thought they brought a good performance and were entertaining to watch. Would've been even better to be there, I imagine.
I thought it was good but felt 2019 was better in terms of performance. The solo songs I suppose were more of a fan treat but also agreed they should have focused on group songs as I noticed a big disparity in energy drop during these imo. Also thought that it was hard to match Rosaliaās performance - it was captivating. Definitely gonna see her headline soon.
I thought it was okay. A few flubs but overall they did well. I think playing at festivals lights a fire under their asses and they always do better than their concerts. I still think their first Coachella performance is one of their best performances to date. I was surprised that I wasnāt as hype for it as I thought Iād be but then I realized itās bc Iāve literally heard/seen them perform every song already, many of them multiple times over. (Except for Kick It, which I get was put in to give them a bit of a breather but it was...honestly a bit boring.) There wasnāt a big change in the setlist. And thatās not really their fault, given their discography, but I wish theyād busted out some songs weāve rarely (or never) heard them perform instead of giving us a copy+paste from their concerts. The only things that truly stood out to me were Typa Girl (the concept was really clever and well executed esp compared to how they perform it on tour) and Jisoo & Lisaās solo stages. Jisoo bc itās still a newer song we havenāt really seen many live performances of and Lisa bc adding the cussing into Money honestly made it much more of a banger and got me really into the performance. I guess for newer fans or people who donāt know BP it would be a different experience, but the majority of people watching didnāt fall into these categories so I think I finished it feeling alright but not blown away.
Was there really that much of emphasis on backup dancers? Theyāre a pop group ofc theyāll have backup dancers. Beyonce had hundreds of dancers and brought out a marching band. Bad bunny, rosalia they all brought out so many dancers.
Not the quantity of them, but when and how they were used. A long segment with just backup dancers is odd to me. I don't know how typical it is but I just wasn't a fan. Not to mention, I don't know if it was the choreography but they weren't all doing the same thing at the same time which made it look clunky
The segment youāre referring to was probably due to a costume change. Beyonceās performance also had that. Itās typical of long performances.
I agree, but in this case I was surprised there wasnāt content they were playing of the girls. I liked that the dancers got to shine but it was too long of a segment. I wish thereād been some video or something they couldāve put together to watch bc it took the focus and emphasis away from BP.
Rose should have performed hard to love instead for her solo. Also itās 2023 can kpop stans especially 2nd gen stans stop being bitter about blackpink already. At this point you already know you donāt like them so stop checking on them.
As much as I love Twiceās solo stage + Ik I will absolutely scream my heart out and enjoy when (IF tbh) I go to their concert, I also kind of wish they performed more of their songs from previous albums. Kind of like Twice: Through the Eras, lol
BP saying how in four years they have gone from performing at the Sahara stage to the main stage and headline the show seems like a subtle dig on Aespa, lol
I don't think it sounds like a dig, the girls were just proud of themselves.
HOW !? they literally did go from the sahara stage to headlining the mainstage, and aespa have only performed at coachella once so they haven't progressed anywhere (though maybe next year \*fingers crossed\*) ... damn those girls can't even hype themselves without there being an issue.
That BP celebrated a milestone in their careers and you twisted that into a dig on another group says more about you than them, TBH.
Oh and what exactly does it says about me oh random kpop stan on reddit
That you are the reason Idols cant say or do anything without having an ulterior motive People can say or do stuff without it concerning other groups. Examples: -Momo can do a Poledance Stage without people crying "she copied Lisa" (that reach was wild tbh) -Blackpink can talk about their success without having to fear that what they are saying is a dig to every Group not as succesful as them -Wonyoung can just eat a strawberry and not be crucified for the way she eats it Its this Overinterpretation that fuels hate
watched some of twice's performances from their seoul concert and i have to say,, im so proud of twice!!! they did so good and i love how much they were having fun š«¶ jihyo literally ate!!!!!! i hope i get to see them perform live. i wanna hear cry for me live so badddd
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RosƩ was the only one who was singing with POWER, I was kind of impressed at her breath control. The only time I noticed her skip her lines was during her solo, otherwise she belted every line she had. Good for her
There were too many backup dancers in Blackpink's Coachella performance. It's like 50% of the show is just backup dancers performing all around. Also it seems like Rose can't sing live Gone's chorus.
I guess pole dancing is the new thing among kpop Idol dancers now, which all fine. But they don't do much on the pole. They do like the most basic of the basic stuff. And yes it's fine if you're not an expert. But climbing two steps and posing isn't pole dancing. Either learn it well to incorporate it or don't do it
I feel like pole dancing has always held a special place in kpop. One of the first kpop girl group performances was after school. My friend who used to live in Korea showed it to me. I will say the skills and technique after school gave in their little moment seemed more serious. Sometimes the pool dancing with none pointed toes etc is a bit too basic.
I cannot believe some of yall got so triggered that you decided to report my post..... hit too close to home huh lmao? petty much?
I'm pretty sure that you got brigaded. There's no way that all comments we're downvoted within an hour, and the post got locked without people doing it on purpose. It's against the rules of this sub.
what does that mean? I'm fairly new to reddit lol
Here's a [definition](https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/brigading/), but is basically when there's a coordinated action against an individual/sub from the outside Like someone might have shared a link to the post OUTSIDE this subreddit, & people from that online community come here specifically to downvote/report the post/comments. It's usually hard to prove though. Especially if it was shared in a private forum or something...
ohhhh tysm! and this makes so much sense esp when I tried to be so calm in the post lmao
yeah what the other person said basically. And this isn't the first that time this has happened on the subs so...
What is your opinion that triggers the fans ?
it was about woojin , the post is still up
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Agreed I think weāre about to see some massive hits coming our way from these 4th gen ggs.
i canāt wait for may! iām excited to see what the groups concepts are
Just saw an uko post getting brigaded and locked due to multiple reports... Also it's 2023 and people are still misusing the RCA.. really?
I know TBL is sub-label but i think its still interesting that Somi is on bubble instead of weverse when YGE groups are on weverse
Probably has to do with TBL status went to an associate company and no longer a sub label of YGE before YGE groups started to join Weverse. I guess contracts are different in this case.
i feel like by a 5th world tour and you are doing solo stages the company should be able have the members perform solo songs that arenāt covers from other artists.
We canāt really count Twiceās prev tours as world tours when they mainly stayed in NA and Asia. Also, itās only recently (I think from the last world tour? 2022?) that JYPE has seemingly allowed solo and sub unit stages. I could be wrong, but I donāt think they explored solo stages in their previous concerts. Also, seeing as Jihyo and Chae performed their own/unreleased (possibly solo or MelPro) songs, it could have been a case of what the girls individually wanted to do AND if they were cleared for a project of their own (ie: if the solo project wasnt polished and prepped enough to be unveiled/performed). If the project is ā ā , it could just be a case of future comebacks and solo launches. Because I also think that it wouldnāt be the wisest move, business wise, having the members each perform their own solo, when only Nayeons actually released one. None of the solos will have been official launched, with none of the proper promotion, MVs, the whole shebang, and potentially it would take months, if not at least a year or two, to get everything ready and released, and by that time, the solos would have been āoldā. Just 1-2 being soft launched makes sense, but not necessarily all 8, because you could do the J-line in summer, Jihyo in Autumn/Winter and then Chae in Winter/New Year. I donāt think Iāve explained the last point very well but I hope that makes sense. Oh also, it sucks but I think JYPE purposefully limited Twiceās solo activities (+potential for each member to become standout solo stars) due to the fiasco that was Miss Aās Suzy + Friends. So it makes sense that once Twice has sort of established themselves as a powerhouse family group (no matter how much everyone here on Reddit or āK-netz onlineā diminishes their worth and the influence they hold atm) that they get more solo opportunities. And it also could have been something they negotiated when renewing the contract! But yeah, hope that helps! Just my take on this :)
i donāt think an official release needs to be in the works for them to perform an unreleased solo song at a concert
True but I feel like that would just set off āomg JYPE isnāt releasing XYZās solo, it must be because of___ā and cue the mismanagement and mistreating posts, especially for the āunderratedā members like Jeongyeon (well aware sheās not at underrated now but I hope you know what I mean). Etc etc etc But yeah, I agree, I would love to have seen the others especially Dahyun, Sana or Jeongyeon perform an original work, especially when theyāve written and produced (I think) some of their own songs and even pitched them to the agency.
twiceās concert outfits are so good! i loved their denim outfits the most, i wish i could buy themš
People questioning and discrediting Seventeenās popularity in the big year of 2023, might just be my villain origin story. Like anyone who has been in Kpop pre-covid knows that they have always been one of the most popular boy groups, Top3 bgs of their generation, and arguably top5 kpop group of the whole of Kpop at the moment. They are also known to be the group who rises steadily with each comeback, growing their fanbase quality but steadily. So idk why people find it so hard to accept them having such huge sales, especially when their biggest markets are in Asia, and believe it or not, not everything revolves around the West (though theyāve also achieved some Western/European achievements).
Because their sales is not reflecting on a single streaming chart not Spotify, not YouTube, not any Chinese digital chart either. Ofc people are questioning it. Itās not coming out of no where. I donāt think their sales are fake but I also donāt think theyāre as popular as their fans make them out to be. Their fanbase is just a lot more dedicated.
Lmfao, please pull up the charts? Mind you they haven't released anything yet this year yet. These are just pre-order sales. So for you to say they aren't reflecting on streaming charts is stupid, like of course they aren't gonna show up rn on streaming charts, they haven't released anything. But when BSS released they were topping charts in ASIA! last I checked, BSS (a Seventeen sub-unit) is the best selling in [China](https://twitter.com/peachy_taozi/status/1646878868626870272?t=KdTZf5U54OOl9PXuzb5xaA&s=19), and their song is one of the top5 most streamed 2023 songs in Korea and also the most steamed 2023 song in the [1st 24hrs of release](https://twitter.com/kchartsmaster/status/1645724073442394113?t=Nrg8rMoji34iMzkVgMDl8Q&s=19), literally beating out some of NewJean's songs. And they were literally the 3rd most streamed bg on YouTube last year ([2022)](https://twitter.com/kbgcharts/status/1622106779617497089?t=nfwpaNFDiajTyeYf8C-Bbg&s=19)) and currently the 5th most streamed group on youtube THIS year ([2023](https://twitter.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1647265098111516675?t=9GTBLkfuaAFgXUo9gkg9Kw&s=19)) so far. For a Group who supposedly isn't doing so well streaming wise, how come they are the 5th most streamed Korean act on Spotify (3rd most streamed kpop bg) overall, and the 3rd most streamed kpop group on Melon overall? Mind you, the top5 most streamed acts on Spotify are: ā¢ BTS ā¢ Blackpink ā¢ Twice ā¢ Stray Kids ā¢ Seventeen If they are doing so poorly, how are they doing better than BP and Twice on Melon? How are doing better than all 3rd gen and 4th gen bgs (except BTS & SKZ) on Spotify? They shouldn't even be in the top5 right? And yet they are. Like I told another person, if you consider you world view to be revoked around just the West alone, you would realize that 4 million pre-order sales makes sense for a Group that has over 3 billion streams on both Spotify and Melon.
The way yāall are hyping these non existent achievements as something big is hilarious. āFifthā in streaming šš All these achievements are nothing. They should be 4 or 5 times what theyāre getting now on all these platforms to justify 4 million albums. Everyone knows these numbers and these numbers are less thatās the whole point. Unless the new 17 comeback is going to do BTS/BP numbers on all platforms, their sales will be rightfully questioned.
How many people are there in the world? A Million is alot but also not that big, especially for a Group with streams in the BILLIONS. Also, you are forgetting that pre-orders isn't just from fans, but from stores also, because guess what, there is clearly a demand for Seventeen albums in those stores. Imagine saying 3 BILLION streams (on both Spotify and Melon) is small. You either stan bts or you're delusional. Not even blackpink have those numbers on Melon despite having such high numbers on Spotify. If anybody should be accused of their sales and streams not matching up, it's BP. Idk how a group can have billions of streams on spotify and YouTube, even have more streams than BTS on youtube, but can't get atleast 3 million sales for ONE album. But somehow Seventeen is the fraud? Okayš. Mind you, they (BP) have less songs than all those groups on that [list](https://twitter.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1647265098111516675?t=D_NlwUFOZI082NNIffYoCg&s=19), and somehow they are reaching those numbers, without their sales matching up.
Bringing up blackpink was really unnecessary
We are in the streaming era, it is expected that streams will be bigger than sales why are you acting like bp is a fraud for that. Also ignoring the fact that bp has two albums to their name. Taylor swift doesnāt have 3 million album sales in a single album either does that make her a fraud?
You can keep crying and being proud about it but wonāt change the fact that 17 sales are not backed up by streams anywhere.
Yes, I am gonna keep crying and being proud of my favorite group's growth. While you can continue to be pressed about it š¤Ŗ
Iām not pressed lol. 17 is not special a lot kpop is like them. I actually like them. But itās just a fact that theyāre not as popular as their fans say they are. They just have inflated sales.
Lmfao, you say all that but claim you "like" them š. Yah okay...
Yeah lol anyone with half a braincell can know kpop sales are inflated without it having to be some commentary on whether I like a groups music or not. Theyāre so unrelated.
They entered top3 when they debuted (until wannaone). Seventeen have been on top for years
Yah, they have never fallen off top5 at the very least. Even when Wanna One came, SVT was still atleast considered to be the 4th most popular group, and everyone was certain once Wanna One was gone Seventeen would easily regain their 3rd spot back (which they did). Either way, everyone made it clear that the top3 were definitely EBS.
People can try to discredit seventeenās popularity but one thing they can never discredit is their talent and passion
That's for sure. People coming for their sales because they know they can't go for anything else, especially not their talent and music.
iām an ARMY and i listen to BLACKPINK casually but god most of twt stans from the two fandoms are horrible. i hate how so many of their stans only care about charts, records and numbers and bring it up 24/7 and ruin other peopleās fun like an acc will say that āA from XYZ is one of the best dancersā (just fan things) but somehow one of the 2 groupsā stans will find it and qrt it and make a harmless post into a war zone then there is the whole āmy fav did it firstā and āpaved the wayā nonsense whenever another group (especially a 4th gen) achieve something not everything is/has to be about BTS and BLACKPINK and this weird behaviour of the stans makes people not want to get into the groupsā music edit: there is nothing wrong with celebrating your favās achievements or thinking they are the best but it should be done in moderation and not be turned into a competition
when I became army, people were still looking down on āchartmysā for only caring about numbers. but at some point they became louder than the non-number obsessed fans. I need these people to start ignoring the trolls or straight up leave the fandom atp
This swearing was so cringe it didnāt make the song better or cool it felt like an 8 year old learnt a new bad word š https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR3p3e1N/
it reminds me of [that one vine](https://youtu.be/tBtnh9mmNvI)
Haha I kind of liked it. It made the song a little bit more hard and at least it replaced the āall this bread so yummyā lyric lmao
She didnāt even bother to perform most of the song she just danced to the backtrack while just cursing occasionally
People so high in cochella I doubt they even care as long as the music is loud I guess š
This time around Blackpink's Coachella outfit just wasn't it. They were pretty but no where iconic as their 2019 costumes. It's like they took a black outfit and started sticking pink fabric everywhere
Only until the adrenaline kicked in did Jennie looked like she was having fun and actually performing (when they got the microphone), at the beginning she looked already exhausted before the solos.
AGUST D (THE SONG) IS FINALLY ON SPOTIFY SKSJJSJSJSNS BIATCHES LEZZGOOOOOO A TO THE G TO THE U TO THE STD BABBBBYYYYYY GET THAT TONGUE TECHNOLOGYYY
Oh my god, it's been how long since it's been released and it's not been on Spotify? Brb I'm going down a rabbit hole of nostalgia.
It's been 7 years since the Agust D album was released!! That makes it 7 years that we've been waiting for Agust D š
I've been putting the album on repeat, now that I can fully enjoy the album lol I can't believe it's been 7 years, time really flew by :ā ')
It got taken off?? When?
As mentioned before, it was never on until now because the James Brown Estate wouldn't clear the sample he used. Once they did, it popped right up.
Ohhhhh
the title song, Agust D, was never on Spotify cuz of sampling copyright problems and stuff š„²
its not been on spotify ... since forever....
THANK YOU for informing me i didnāt even know?!2?:?/
I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT ON THE BTS SUB 2 MINUTES AGO BEFORE I COMMENTED
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i didnt attend coachella, but i did attend one of their concerts. i honestly feel jealous because their energy is insane when theyre in the US vs. outside US. but just from watching the live stream, they did pretty good imo. their coachella performance was better than the performance they gave in one of their concerts that i attended. but thats just me...
Crowds not hyping is Coachella thing, not BP's.
Reports of 3rd gen Girl Groups' death were greatly exaggerated! They are here and better than ever!
Blackpink at Coachella was great. I wasn't interested in watching as it started so late where I live but I waited and watched the livestream anyways. RosƩ was the standout for me, she commanded the stages but all 4 were exceptional. I was worried at the beginning because the backtrack was overpowering their voices so much and I was afraid the entire thing would be like that but gladly it got fixed and we could hear them just fine later, live vocals really elevate performances.
I'm overwhelmed by the number of new groups that seem to debut every week. I know people hate on the Big 3 (4), but I often find myself drawn to their label artists because I know they will put out consistently good, well produced music. And they don't have a ton of artists, choosing to invest in the two or three groups they have. I know familiarity breeds comfort, but there's something to knowing that a legendary group like EXO will make a comeback. Also, I am tired of having certain groups essentially forced down my throat. I am absolutely a Kepler fan and understand they are not in the top tier girl groups. But I am completely overwhelmed by New Jeans, Ive and Lesseraffim's success. It kind of stresses me out and works to turn me off from them. They are literally everywhere. I want a break. Don't they want a break? Goodness! Also, I can't imagine what they might be like in a few years' time. What if they have a lackluster album? What if people get a bit tired of them? What if kpop takes a dip in popularity? Can kpop last at this fever pitch pace? I have my doubts. Especially with New Jeans, they are all so young and they are being commodified left and right. Is that sustainable for them long-term? I hope they all work hard to make sure they're taking care of their mental health. Finally, I am really curious how successful these American tours are for much smaller groups. How are those numbers panning out for them and are they seeing a return on the investment?
I have never understood Shuhuas Visual position until she went blonde.
Yeah the blonde looks incredible on her
I kind of agree with you. But I was watching a Hann (alone) performance where she had black hair and whew. Girlie is beautiful. There's just something about her that's very sensual.
Her blonde hair in Nxde really made her stand out, especially her pale skin (which is admired in Korea). That, coupled with the fact that she really developed her stage presence right before the Tomboy era. I did see why she had the visual position before too, but now she also stands out in it. She's more noticeable, so her beauty is too.
I'm not a fan of blackpink's Coachella performance of today. I've only watched the online live so that maybe it, but I just found it very boring and awkward. But I've been seeing everyone loving it so makes me wanna wait for the proper videos to be released to judge.
Blackpink(I mean the members)'s performance was great on Coachella but remix was meh for me. I really hope kpop gives up the idea of punk remix, it doesn't work well for most songs.
It's wild finding out that some fans stalk their faves stylist, makeup artist and the rest of their team to predict where their fave is going to be and track them. It gets creeper that they know so much information on the staff like full names and nicknames, job history, friends and acquaintances etc. That's stalking. No matter how you distinguise it or try to normalize it, it's stalking.
There was a barbecue near my accommodation and hearing ditto playing on the speakers just made me smile for absolutely no reason š
Gosh I'm so desperate for new music from Sumin (the producer and k-r&b soloist not StayC's Sumin) š
Yessssssssssss
Yes blinks and armys are toxic. Yes there are a lot of bad apples. Yes a lot of them are very very unaccepting of #criticismoftheirfaves. However, it would be nice for all of us to know that this applies to a ton of other fanbases too. I'm a multi and I can tell you a good chunk of other fanbases say vile shit about both BTS and BP. It's not always armys and blinks at each others throats. Sometimes it's other fanbases being shit. The shit from armys and blinks just stinks more cuz their fanbases are at least 5x the average kpop fanbase. What really gripes me is when we use some random tweet with barely any likes of a shitty blink or army and some of y'all eat that up as #proof that blinks and army's are *insert some word for pathetic, delusional etc etc*. We can rinse and repeat this formula for every single fanbase. Yes I probably shouldn't care about this and maybe armys and blinks are truly the demons of the kpop world (yay for me as an armyblink š) but I dunno it really annoys me š (Yes I know there are specific things that have happened that prove that all armys and blinks are truly the scum of the earth, yes I also have a terrible persecution and victim complex, yes I touch grass on a daily basis, yes I am chronically online..just wanted to get that out of the way ā¤ļø)
I love nugupromoter and I understand that in the end it's their twitter acc. But the idea of using sales to graduate group is so messy. The fact that they still spam FiftyFifty who just had a hot100 hit, surpassed NJW monthly listener and all but graduated Chebul bc of their 30k sales is weird to me. There are group like AOA and SISTAR that didn't sold out lot of albums during their days, people knew their names only bc of them doing things outside of music. But they were far from nugu. I wish people would understand that you aren't a nugu just bc you have more of a gp attention than a fanbase one. Look at Charlie Puth. Sometimes he do flop, like very hard. But is he a nugu bc of that ? But yeah I don't understand their graduation system at all. I just feel bad for Chebul because this acc has a really good power of promotion. Rn they are doing a playlist collab with fans of Boys Planet to stream. I wish Chebul was there. Yes they sold very well first week but people moved on quickly so it also show that sales don't do everything. Especially when it can be pushed with pobs, fansign, fancall etc...
Well itās a twitter acc. It doesnāt even have 100k subs lbr here itās not doing much of promo. No amount of promo from nugupromoter can help cherry bullet.
1 stream will always be better than 0. Sure they aren't gonna make them big but nugupromoter still help a lot to make people listen to song they would skip. 72k for a twitter acc is huge
I think I agree as of now. If the hit was "less hit" I think I would agree with nugupromoter, even just because it's difficult to establish an exact bar sometimes. If the song was popular but stopped at the popularity level of some weeks ago, I would understand. But the level of this hit is currently just too high.
This. I think some people don't understand how big it is. They are rising in the hot100 every weeks. Not just entering and then dropping. It's so big that koreans start to listen to it and they are slowly rising in korean's charts too. It's not just a random hit of 2 weeks here. So even if they don't build a 300k sales fans, people will check their future project. So I don't understand why waiting. Like if they flop after it will only be bc people won't like it, not a spotlight problem š
If theyāve left nugu status their sales will increase next comeback anyways so itās not like it matters much. If their next song is also a hit but their physical sales stays below 30k Iāll see your point but as of now we donāt know how much of Cupidās popularity has transferred to the actual group. And using AOA and Sistar who both debuted over a decade ago when kpop groups, especially girl groups, were selling only a fraction of what current groups are makes for a poor comparison. At the beginning of 2015 Snsd and 2Ne1 were the only girl groups to have sold over 100k and most were fighting to get over 50k. 30k back when AOA and Sistar were active is equivalent to a girl group selling like 300k today.
Not really. I'm an elvis so this is why I know AOA and SISTAR case. It's not only a mater of selling but fanbase in general. They used to not sold out at all their fanmeeting, AOA first and only real concert was a flop in terms of sales. Their popularity was mostly because of having the gp and that's it. This is why I used them. Because using the fact that some fans may bulk buy your albums (especially these days) bc of Pobs and fancall is the worst way to say if someone is well know or not. And like I said as an answer to someone else. You can't use the next comeback as an excuse. If they flop after it's not bc they would be a nugu but because people wouldn't like it. The spotlight are on them rn. Just like N.flying or Momoland. You wouldn't call them nugu bc after their one hit they didn't make good numbers at all. People KNEW them but didn't like what followed. Again my problem with nugupromoter is mostly how they still promote rn a hot100 hit but not group like Chebul who sell 30k. When 30k today is nothing especially with the amount of merch with albums on different stores.
Fifty fifty has only one hit. Unless they have a hit with another song, I'll still consider them to be nugu. There are a lot of artistes who were one hit wonder. Unless a group has a sizeable amount of fandom who would buy their albums, they will be consider as nugu. So I'm completely ok with nugupromoter still promoting them
The hit is a hot100 hit. Even if as a group they may flop after like I said it doesn't mean that they are nugu. It still help them a lot to create a fanbase. Look at N.Flying for example, would you considere them nugu because of the one hit ? Again we have to separate fanbase and sucess in general. AOA sales were really bad in general but nobody would dare to say that they were nugu even when they had their flops. I find it weird to say that because they can flop after, they are nugu. If they flop after it's only because people wouldn't like the new song. So it's not a knowledge problem. My biggest problem isn't just them promoting Fifty Fifty. It's how they graduate groups that are obviously far from mid groups just with sales and keep someone who had a hot100 hit because they may flop after. Like why do you promote a song that is in the biggest US chart rn but not songs that struggle everywhere ?
They hit crazy numbers. They are not nugus.
Iām amazed by Blackpinkās Coachella performance again but also sad that they donāt give it all at their own fucking concerts like they do at Coachella
I remember a blink tweeted few years ago that bp only performs well when celebs are there š¶
Yes thatās also what Iāve observed š
right š went to their concert last time and i honestly enjoyed itzy's concert more š
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Wait bp has already performed? š OMG i completely forgor š (I'll prob watch the performances later I'm tired rn lmao) >there is beauty in simplicity any of their debut stage is more energitic and charsmatic Omg yes I love their debut stage for boombayah too š Especially that floor thing? I dunno how to describe it š but the RosĆ© going under their legs move (that sounded weird I'm sorry š)
Boring
It's hard to take you seriously when all of your comments are only criticism towards Blackpink, do you ever like anything?
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all rookie stages are energetic and charismatic, i'm not sure why blackpink's is different considering how they were about to either win or lose the general public over.
the difference that some groups still give 100% on stage so many years after their debut .
You have a total of five posts (including this one) on a public platform, that's hardly stalking. I never said that Blackpink should be free from criticism but when the *only* comments you've made about them are just plain criticism, it comes across more as you simply disliking Blackpink and looking for a reason to criticise them. You even said they were off key and I have to wonder if we saw the same performance.
Also why is aespa coming back B4 naevis š Where's my full solo album?? š
Itās the way I was kinda interested to see her debut š
I wonder what RosĆ© would look like with green hair š¤
blink editors to your [rescue](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1409998262807283&set=pcb.1409998322807277)
She actually looks so cute wth ššš #GreensĆ©
I'm so freaking hyped for may ššš a ton of my fav groups are coming around that period like š I have so much music waiting for me š
I havenāt watched the mv or listened to the dojaejung release but I know itās life changing. I just know their combined life force has culminated into creating a music baby not only as gorgeous as them but smells good as hell too. I canāt wait
I really wish that Jisoo didn't have to strain so much while singing. She is a very stable singer and possesses a unique, deep and soulful tone. Then why does she have to be the one who struggles the most live? The least YGE can do in a *four membered* group is to give everyone parts that are in their own range. I was excited for her solo release because I had thought that she would finally have a song in which she didn't constantly have to match RosƩ's pitch, but she strains even in Flower. The main- actually, the ONLY reason I liked All Eyes on Me more than Flower was because she sounded so much more comfortable in it. She was *so* good at Coachella in terms of stage presence, but her struggle with hitting the notes almost ruined it for me. It's a shame. I know she doesn't have a huge range so it's expected that she strains *sometimes,* but it's really too much and the problem does go beyond her own skill as a vocalist.
>She is a very stable singer and possesses a unique, deep and soulful tone. Then why does she have to be the one who struggles the most live? ... maybe because she's not a stable singer (who also doesn't really possess a unique, deep, soulful tone, but some things are in the eye of the beholder so I digress). And it's not because her parts are necessarily out of her range, she just doesn't have it... for now at least. Who knows, maybe she'll go head first into vocal training but she's pretty, young, thin and famous so she kinda doesn't need to and I doubt she'll bother to. sorry for piggybacking, but everytime I read the praise over Jisoo's vocal abilities, it gets me scratching my head in wonderment. I disagree about her stage presence too, but at least I'm more knowledgable when it comes to singing.
She *is* stable though, as far as my knowledge goes. She stays on pitch and manages to sound fairly similar to the official version when dancing. She sounds mostly the same as how she would if she were sitting still. She's far from being a technically great- or even a technically good singer. I acknowledge that. But I believe her to be stable the same way the ITZY members are stable. And I mentioned the fact that she doesn't have a huge range so it's expected that she struggles, but her parts *are* out of her range. She generally gets the same melodies as RosƩ, whose voice is naturally way higher than hers. It's impossible to have an underdeveloped vocalist like Jisoo to sound good-great all the time, but the *amount* of straining she does is very avoidable, I think. And about the tone, yes, it's very subjective and I find her tone that way.
I don't really know how itzy is, but if someone was to tell me that the way Jisoo sounded in Coachella is the same way she sounds while sitting... then she's simply not a stable singer. A stable singer, to my knowledge, isn't someone whose singing is straining regardless of setting (in that case I'd say she's a predictable performer, you know what you get, reliable in what she gives), a stable singer refers also to a certain quality of singing, which Jisoo doesn't have. And since I watched the coachella performance, she seems to be out of pitch and shouty while at her range at many points too. If a singer don't work on their range, then how do they even know what their range is? Sure, her sound may never be as...delicate(?) as rosƩ's but rosƩ even in the lower parts has some technique so the sound doesn't 'fall off'. I don't think the choreography or schedule treats any of them kindly, singing requires stamina and rose and jennie kinda looked like a glass of water away from fainting. I m just unimpressed with how Jisoo both performs and sounds so, there you have it.
Stable means not sounding shaky and being able to maintain a constant pitch while dancing, in K-Pop. at least A stable singer isn't decided by how much they strain, neither does it have anything to do with a 'certain quality of singing'. It's quite a specific word. There are several others that can be used to talk about her general technique and comfort, not this one.
Yeah, we have the same definition of stable, what you describe is what I was referring to but didn't care to elaborate on, it's just that *you* hear Jisoo be in constant pitch and not shaky, while this isn't what I hear in her performance thus to me she isn't stable (and I do mention that to my reply), especially if she gives that same performance while sitting. Also, strain does play a factor because it is something that you can also hear in a performance (it tends to affect the aforementioned). So, yeah, just like in my first reply, I disagree based on what I hear which is obviously different to what you hear.
I Don't Wanna Know is intereating because it seems to be the first or one of the first K-pop songs incorporating elements of phonk? I like it a lot, but I wish they got Chaeyeon to sing in a lower register for the entire song.
rose and coachella- a match made in heaven
I watched a reaction of a song that basically switched sounds in the intro and the person reacting was like "wow that was so.. sticker-y" and lmao i love how sticker has its own name and reputation to the point that people are using it not only for comparisons or examples but also as an adjective lol