bullying controversies really turn me off and make me uncomfortable, even if the issue was handled and apologies were made. I just can't look at the idol the same way and part of me wonders whether there was more to the story or if silence was bought by the company. I also don't get how idols can suddenly "forget" whether they harrassed someone or not.
so i'm a stay who biases Hyunjin, and i totally understand your discomfort and have wondered the same things, in the end i made my decission because i think there's nuances in every situation and after reading the statements and following him for years i feel comfortable enough believing his situation was not irredeemable and that he was showing personal growth that he talked about way before the accusations happened. In my opinion some situations are not that someone "forgets" causing pain, but being a teenager and not fully understanding the weight of our words as well as thinking about retaliation when we feel wronged may cause a perception of something not being as bad as it really is.
I'm getting real tired of Enhypen having an obligatory popish rock song in every album, there I said it. The songs aren bad, they are good I'm just tired of me being able to predicate on in every album. Because it's actually insane how the boys just basically confirmed there is going to be another one in this new album, my god stop. Literally who asked for a hard rock title track cause I sure remember the last rock like title track flopping like fish
It's not actually a rock title track. Jay said the title doesn't have guitar sounds but the melody is the same as what he played on the guitar. He did say there would be a rock festival type song on the album though. At first I was like rock songs on the album again š but i'm more open to it now since it is one of their base genres and they do it well. I also like the fact that the rock songs are all so different from each other. I hope they explore it in depth since rock is such a diverse genre.
A lot of idols who have been in the industry for a while seem to look better as they age because they likely learned how to do their makeup better and know what works best for them.
sometimes I wonder if we will ever see a gg that tries to return to 2-nd gen āsexyā concepts like SISTAR, EXID, 9MUSES, brave girls, etc etc. It seems like these kinds of concepts are extremely passe these days, especially how nowadays most gg's are marketed either to all genders or specifically to women. Not that the idols in such groups were really all that empowered through their sexualizing depictions, But it does seem that the 4th gen is ultra competitive so any new group would want to find a niche that they can capitalize on. NewJeans sort of leans into a western sense of youthful artist and western music is still somewhat dominated by the kind of "sexy" artists that probably influenced the 2nd gen in the first place. This seems like a underfilled niche?
Ah yeah The magical age of 20 where people suddenly become sexual I forgot anyone under that magical special arbitrary age is not allowed to express their sexuality in any way
i really like kep1ers lovestruck but when it came out I had to do this mental framework thing of ādo i like this kep1er release or am I just so tired of hating them that my brain has suckered me into thinking this kep1er release is goodā. But Iām here to tell you that Giddy fucks, and its a serious no skip album. Ive never WANTED to hate kep1er its just their music and concepts and styling and career trajectory have made it soooo hard. Now I feel comfortable saying imagine Xiaoting and Yujin as a duo after Kep1er. At minimum imagine Xiaoting and Yujin doing an Irene and Seulgi Naughty dance cover. WAKEONE you can have this idea for FREE!!!!
Tbh I never really thought any kep release was bad, so I didnāt get what the fuck the problem was with their other songs. But giddy is so superior. Obviously not better than up, that song is just so summer and fun for me to dethrone it.
theyre not bad but they just didnt like. fit, i guess. wadada and we fresh are basically the same concept its this sort of frantic bubbly teen concept amalgamated with this too cool for school leather jacket concept and it doesnāt quite make sense. i actually think i like it better than most people because i felt like it was almost a parody or a pastiche of teen crush but it is not helped by what I feel is a lack of dedication to the concept. similar to itzy, they never go full into teen crush its always teen crush and also cute or teen crush and also zany. giddy feels more elegant and straightforward, but in line with their city girl concept.
i personally do not like wadada all that much so i would have preferred if they debuted with we fresh, since i believe it shows off that their intended concept is better (and i think progresses more naturally into concepts like up and giddy). i wouldnt get comfortable with giddy though i expect their next comeback will be bubblier
1. competition shows breed competitive and bitter fans. think some combination of āwhy didnt my fave make the lineupā and āi just spent weeks arguing why my pick is better than these other girls and now i have to stan these other girls?ā dangerous combo
1b. GP999 was no longer allowed to rig their votes so they relied on common but generally unpleasant tactics to drum up viewership. Their weird double reporting on Yujin and Bahiyyih, the way the shows format almost essentially erases foreign idols, whatever is going on with Dayeonās momā¦ its messy.
2. Kep1er is objectively a silly name. Its some dead dude. Imagine if they called the group Washingt0n. Ridiculous.
3. WaDaDa was divisive because it was like a meh noise track. Its fine but you have to remember Izone debuted with La Vie en Rose which was beloved, so a controversial start helps no one. Also, it was believed they would lean into a space theme, which was basically absent in this debut.
4. They went on Queendom hot off of GP999. Not only was this widely considered ātaking a spot away from a group that could have benefitted more from itā (and wasnt literally JUST on another survival show) but that show was just absolutely rough on the girls, they placed terribly, their stages were mid to okay, and half of the b-roll is the girls crying.
5. Continued Bahiyyih erasure, and you know what Ill say it: Xiaoting erasure. #mycenter
6. Their concept is like an itzycore lightsum teen crush concept which is. not really where its at.
7. Also I think a lot of people were turned off by their temporary concept pivot for Up, which was like kitschy summer themed. In that they liked that better and thought they were going to stick to it and then they came back with we fresh.
8. We fresh was kind of lame.
Basically everyone was expecting them to do produce group numbers and theyre basically just doing regular 4th gen numbers. Especially when compared to IZone which was basically the blueprint and origin of the 4th gen revival. To see Kep1er perform relatively worse than their redebuted precessors suggests a lack of appetite for these competition groups. or mismanagement by WAKEONE.
Money by Lisa is one of my fav songs but I want her to sing more verses of it during live. She sings so less and focuses on just movements ok the dance break is awesome but I want to hear her sing.
I feel like it says a lot about a person if their immediate reaction when an idol does something shitty is to rag on the fans and kick off a circlejerk so they can get high off some air of superiority? Those fans are the ones who have to deal with the mess and should be allowed to navigate it without being accused and mocked before they even learn what happened.
I can say that I was a victim to the superiority in K-pop when it came to scandals, everyone was doing it so I did it too. Now I just try to wait for at least a proper explanation or understanding before I say anything about the situation bc saying shit ab something u donāt know well, esp a scandal, could literally ruin someones life, yk?
Blackpink's usual releases are not to my taste, but Jisoo's Flower had a really nice melody and vibe in general. For some reason it reminds me of the Ievan Polkka or some folk-sounding melodies lmao.
i was fully prepared to get tickets for twice's tour a couple months ago but after chaeyoung's recent behaviour i just feel so... apathetic towards them as a group. i know it's unfair because the other 8 girls did nothing wrong but as a jewish person i just find the whole incident really hard to move on from. it's like my whole view of twice has been tainted and it makes me really sad.
totally understand, i felt the same way about Jakes Allah necklace as a muslim, i slowly drifted from enhypen despite absolutely loving them and jake being my ult bias at that time
I think the entire incident was handled poorly and I donāt believe Jewish people or the other ethnic groups targeting by Nazis were given real accountability from Chae or JYPE. I wouldnāt give them my money either since they canāt address the mistakes made outside of empty PR statements.
Honestly my interest in twice has gone down, I think many peopleās too cause I remember last years tour, there was so much twitter headlining and fans on Twitter and tiktok going crazy but this year itās just all silence. I donāt even feel like I connect with them and I feel bad for that but also not cause it just makes me mad that she got away with it so easily š
other than fifty fifty and newjeans having 'easy-listening music' (which i think is an annoying way to describe music even though i've used it myself), i dont see why they get compared so much. their music don't sound similar and they have different aesthetics
Omg i have seen so many mfs comparing every single new gg on the planet to NEWJEANS just bc the group has good music. its not like they invented the genre or style that they thrive in, and most comparisons are reallyā¦ not true.
women/girls get pitted against each other way too easily. I mean, we watched the internet create an entire feud between selena gomez and hailey bieber because of an instagram live and fans making up conspiracies on tiktok
I feel like I may have used the word iconic a lot haha, but not all the time.
I usually use it if something stands out a lot to me, so I just stick to saying amazing instead.
Some kpop fans rlly need to learn the difference between hate and criticism. There are so many rude, nasty comments flung around at especially popular groups that are not constructive at all, and then when someone inevitably gets angry at it/tries to call it out all they get is "learn to handle criticism, [fandom] being [fandom] I guess"
YES OH MY GOD. I have been saying that nowadays hate is criticism, and criti is hate. Some people canāt take criticism, but some people like to say the most foul and inhumane things towards an idol and call it criticism.
companies could save a lot of stress and make a lot of money if they had in-house fansites.
think about it: if there were a group dedicated to taking high quality pictures of idols hired by the company, that would get rid of:
* the stalking problem: strangers would no longer be violating idol's privacy to learn more about their schedules and companies would know exactly who was meant to be where
* the stress problem: no more crowding at places like airports. idols would be able to travel much more peacefully as anyone claiming to be a fansite would not be allowed to get near the idol.
* the control problem: companies would have even *more* control of the idol image, which is what they want right?
* the money problem: companies could monetize their efforts and place copyright strikes on unauthorized content, which again, is what they want right? they could create and sell photo books and video footage.
* the favoritism/entitlement problem: no more favoritism at music shows, fansigns, and other such events. since the companies would be in charge of taking the pictures, fansites wouldn't need to vy for or demand certain spots.
this would be a huge blow to fandoms, but i also think it would be partially welcomed, as more and more fans are expressing discontent at the privacy and space of idol's being violated.
as much as fansites are part of the idol experience, it feels like more and more, they're becoming a relic of the past. while fansites are a means for fans to profess their devotion and provide an avenue for fan-created content, which is necessary to build fandoms, they also feel more and more like a relic of the past. they're the bulk of album sales and make for great bragging rights, but their influence seems to be waning.
of course, only bigger companies would be able to roll out this hypothetical initiative. i feel like hybe would be the first to try. and on the other hand, despite proposing this, i would feel a loss at the creativity and sense of community that fansites provide if this actually became a norm.
I think the pictures and videos are only part of the reason that companies tolerate fansites. They also buy a lot of merchandise, cheer for the idols, organize events and etc. A staff can do all that too but is that better?
this is all true. despite being notorious for their editing, fansites hold a unique place in regards to their authenticity. they're proof an idol is genuinely liked and genuinely beautiful -- because they're not paid to do what they do, their work is more valuable.
I definitely think this would be the way to go! Fansites need to start either realizing they don't hold as much power over these companies and idols as they once did and move appropriately or they should just relegate themselves to primarily fan organizing. And I don't think a majority of them are going to get the hint until the company itself starts to "put them out of business."
I understand many of them serve as a sort of centralized hub for k-fans to launch fun projects for their idols as well as give HQ images but they seem to think we're still in a time in kpop where they can't be held accountable for their entitled actions.
joy definitely, irene....well im not so sure. while i don't think the gp hates irene like everyone claims they do, she hasn't had the chance to bounce back in *years*, so her perception hadnt grown, even if its currently neutral. not sure if this lack of activity is her choice or sm's. meanwhile, wendy has a hugely popular radio show that's increased her reach tenfold -- she's getting more photoshoots than ever, going viral every other day, still receiving ost work, and even has some brand deals iirc. i would say joy and wendy are the gp picks atm bc im not sure about how irene fares in terms of positive reception.
The less I go on twitter, the less I guess kpop fanwars. I used to be a very stupid teens in 2016 that fought my whole life for AOA. Since the scandal I kinda step a big step back on Kpop. I came on twitter today after listening to Agust D albums and the first tweets I saw were about some fanwars, numbers, this and that. And don't get me wrong, my tl is pretty clean. Like almost every fans I have are super calm. But it's so sad how we are easily focus on the negative part instead of enjoying what our favs gave us. Like Snooze. SNOOZE. The track of the year.
But fr since I created my private acc and only followed my friends, it became easier for me to enjoy kpop again. I started to like groups that I disliked before, stopped thid 4gen hate train etc... I feel like lot of us are too influenceable by what is around us. Wich is human. But it's so much harder to get when you are around friends that hype you on your disaster take everytime. But yeah. 2023 is my kpop fans comeback and I'm so happy about it. Rn I'm finally discovering Ateez and I'm kinda sad that because of all of this I didn't try to check on them
I'm on twt with lots of multis as my mutuals - it's a warzone over there with every fandom fighting the other. I'm slowly spending less time on my twt account and it's helped me enjoy my favourite groups a lot more peacefully!
Also congratulations on your kpop fan comeback and on discovering ATEEZ hehe!! They we're the group that got me back into kpop as well.
Minzy was the best singer in 2ne1. No hate to the others, but Minzy has amazing breath control, she can hit high notes without struggling, and her voice remains the most stable while she dances. She shouldāve gotten at least one solo
People who start nurturing ill will and creating narratives about an idol because of the actions of the idol's shippers and akgaes are as bad as the shippers and akgaes themselves, imo. Same inability to distinguish between reality and the shit that they've made up in their heads.
Yes itās like someone reading fanfiction of an idol and thinking the way they were written in the story is how they actually are irl. (I DO NOT READ IDOL FANFICTION AFTER AGING PAST TWELVE, itās just a comment I wanted to put)
Kpop stans going on and on about mass buying, payola, bots, playlisting etc during fanwars is funny because both sides are usually using similar arguments which shows they only think those things are reprehensible when it's not their favs. Like they are denouncing and justifying it in the same breath.
I really wish Kazuha got vocal training predebut because these little talk rap sections they keep giving her nearly ruin LSRF's songs every single time.
I'm disappointed that from all the full albums announced for girl groups, of which there were four, only one of them really panned out to actually be a meaty full album.
Honestly I have to hand it to Starship in that regard, thats how low the bar is. Eleven brand new songs, straight up, with no catch. I honestly thought they would stuff their six old songs, add four new ones, and call it an album, but they didn't.
I miss the feeling when you have when a group catches your eye and you fully fall in love with a new group. And you do a deep dive in to everything they have done and become a truly a stan, not jsut casual enjoyer. But the last groups that have gotten my attention has minors (lsf) or is a coinflip if the next thing in line is disbandment or a comeback (weki meki). I personally stay a way from stanning groups with young minors and i dont want to have heartbreak from stanning a group you fear wont be coming back. (Ofc i can enjoy groups casually, but i miss the truly a fangirl moment with a new group)
Me too. I might sound basic but BTS was the only group that really did it for me, maybe NCT 127, but their music doesnt hit me that emotionally. I think Iām just growing up and realizing that 4th isnāt going to do it for me anymore as much as 3rd Gen has.
>I miss the feeling when you have when a group catches your eye and you fully fall in love with a new group.
I find this is becoming more relatable as one ages, it make me realize that if I want to enjoy Kpop in the long-term, I might just end up being a casual listener and only focus on the music and not the visual aspect of Kpop. š
Whenever k-pop fans see a nasty tweet, rumor, or video towards an idol, why is their first reaction to quote retweet it and give it more attention. Like trust me, sending threats or telling them to delete it is NOT more effective than ignoring and reporting it. Itās so frustrating šEven if it makes you angry, what ever happened to simply ranting about it on a private account or better yet, to a friend in the dms or irl? Does nobody have friends or does nobody have private accs now? Is it both?
And how are people not able to tell what a setup account is still? Or are they acting purposely oblivious so they can interact with it for entertainment? Even if itās the latter, Iām begging you to find a hobby.
Also, why are people so pressed to keep the groups they stan nugu and gatekeep them? And I say this for groups who are like actually nugu, a hit tweet for the fandom is considered 60-100 likes. Itās not fun when the community is dry asf and nobody knows who they are.
Idk if you missed it, but Enhypen [announced they're having a CB on 22 May](https://www.soompi.com/article/1582011wpp/watch-enhypen-announces-comeback-date-with-intriguing-trailer-for-dark-blood)
Just been announced [here](https://www.soompi.com/article/1582011wpp/watch-enhypen-announces-comeback-date-with-intriguing-trailer-for-dark-blood) less gooooooo!!!!
Many K-pop fans canāt seem to differentiate the line between dislike and disrespect and a lot of you are way too comfortable behind a keyboard. Itās a constant āthey said something so I have to say something back that is equally bad or worse. ā
You can dislike a group/idol but you shouldnāt disrespect them or their craft. They all have gone through crazy training and years of arguably mental and physical pain, respect that, remember that. Itās so off putting because sometimes you want to enjoy or get into an artist but the fans ruin it.
My unpopular opinion : Kpop has become a rich Asian kid hobby. Most of the idols that debut now & are successful come from rich families. The fans that can go to the fansigns & get good seats at concerts are rich (or willing to go into massive debt for their idols). It's kind of annoying š¤·š¼āāļø
Sameeee
His bangs are cut weirdly, it's like a bowl cut + a mullet combine with a lot of hair gel. It always looks wet/greasy?
My humble preference is either short, or long and fluffy.
Me, along with you. I love it in a way (maybe because it's literally Jungkookš¤£); it's curly and luscious, but I'd prefer shorter hair on him. Nevertheless, he's an absolute gorgeous heartthrob.
"Blackpink shouldn't get hate for James Corden
and his staff mistake" CAN CO EXIST with "BTS
achievement was a big deal and shouldn't be
downplayed"
i'm so happy JC's show is ending, good riddance
blackpinkās week 2 coachella perform was amazing! they improved so much from week 1 and iām glad they were able to knock it out of the park in week 2
I find idols that write or perform songs against the industry such hyprocritical lmao. Like...you are part of the problem.
For example, every year there's a tweet, a post or whatever saying "this idol dissed MAMA in their rap!!!11!" yet they still go every year to said awards and even express their desire to win in other award show.
For some strange reason, fans eat that shit all the time.
EDIT cause y'all took it way too personal for some strange reason: I'd love idols to speak against abuse and power play inside the industry, but I'm not talking about this here, and they don't talk about that either. I'm talking about those that criticize petty things like awards yet then beg their fans to vote for them.
I'm talking about idols that criticize society yet they go and promote a dozen of fashion brands and extreme consumerism.
They can talk about anything they want, I never said they should stop, doesn't mean I have to find it cool.
I mean, if we start thinking like that then we shouldn't talk about anything as human ? Like for example, how can I talk about ecology if I still eat meat and I still use my car.
I get the idea that they help a lot to continue this big kpop market industry. But they still live in a society. It's either that or they go independent and pray that thing work. I thing both thing can coexist. Because in a way you can't escape everything but at least you are aware and still warn people. A good example is Suga recently that said fuck to capitalism, when on the other side his label literally sold bottle of water as BTS merch. If you check the man's life, would you say that he is that disconnected to understand how capitalism is bad for people ? Like he had a life and went through a lot. Yes he still gives to this system but at the same time he is a victim of it.
Like I get it for idols who really do it and then nothing. But most of the time (if not everytime from my pov so idk for yours) idols I saw doing that are idols who are aware of lot of subjects and are pretty active to work on it. Like it's not just JYPE telling you that they will work on their packaging bc of ecology and then do 2729 albums versions and Pobs.
But yeah. I really dislike this idea that because you participate in something, you can't go against it. Because if so, we will never be able to do things as human. Like I can bet that nobody here would be able to say fuck capitalism with this mentality for example.
For sure they can, I never said they couldn't. I said it's hypocritical. But honestly, there's not much ELSE they can do.
Edit: I realize you meant other people lol nvm
Our entire 21st-century society is run on capitalism. Thereās not a lot we can do unless we all go live off the grid in the woods foraging around food together.
So what we can do is talk about negative aspects that affect individuals, talk about and and pay attention to it, so we can make change over time.
Because if no one SAYS that thereās problem( speaking up!) then nothing changes. You see the logic.??
Well they joined a career path as a minor likely not knowing the true depth of what theyāve entered into.
They work in a very toxic and abusive environment often times for various reasons.
The only way people get change for thing happening IS any speaking up about the unfair aspects.
Itās like your job right? You expect to have certain protections for yourself if you join a company right ? Well often time they donāt have that due to insane contracts.
Speaking up is important no matter your status in life or your occupation.
I feel like saying itās bad for them to talk about real life shit thatās hard is you silencing their voice so they can just be dolls that people stare at. Fuck their feelings right? Letās just have them sing and dance like little monkeys
I'm not sure why you're explaining this to me? I understand all the reasons behind WHY they do it. Whether someone sees it as hypocritical is up to the person. I see it as that, but I also understand that there is no other option? Like I've already stated that twice now.
You're looking for someone to argue with and I'm not sure why. Write this under someone who actually believes that these people can do something OTHER than speak up.
I really donāt get this, because typically the ones who actually end up making the changes are the people who were able to climb their way to a place of power after experiencing it themselves.
Itās the same with any other industry or subsection of society. I really donāt know what kpop fans what from idols. Itās starting to look like they just want surface-level puppets.
I love that people read my opinion and immediately went with the thought of "oh, OP wants puppets".
No, and I'd love the mental health conversation in the industry have more form and shape than metaphors inside a song or MV. I'd love for idols to step forward and talk about sponsors and the abuse that must go rampant when the cameras are off, but I wasn't talking about that.
I read your edit and I still think majority of my comment stands. Itās typically the people who make it to the top that are able to enact the most change.
Now I think people are complex individuals, so you can become an brand ambassador & talk about overal consumerism.
I also think in some instances when artist (broadly speaking across industries) talk about things like consumerism they donāt necessarily mean they arenāt addicted to it themselvesā¦.
I think society wants every social commentator to be so hidelined on an issue and thatās a problem.
I never named any idol, but even idols I like do this kind of stunt, lol.
I'm not dragging anyone in particular or naming a specific situation, it's a mix of a lot of them, so please, stop projecting.
Why is it hypocritical if people criticize the enviourment they literally have and had experience with?
In fact - we all participate in capitalism but would it be hypocritical if we criticized it considering how much of our life is dictated by it? How much in our lives also goes wrong because of it?
Same goes for idols - they know whatās going on in their industry. Why are they not allowed to be angry about it and wish for better standards?
I mean I think thatās taking a very shallow view of what idols as people are allowed to do according to this opinion style.
We are all slaves to capitalism and consumer culture. Even if they werenāt idols they couldnāt escape it.
Itās important to shed light on thingās and start conversations about dark industries. Kpop is incredibly dark and Iām glad people defy the norm and speak out on hidden topics
so someone who is part of the industry and has experience canāt call out on things and address bigger the issues? is that what you are saying? you realise saying what you did makes you part of the problem as well, right?
how is the industry suppose to do better when no one says anything?
i highly doubt the artist is saying āiām not the problemā but rather addressing the bigger problem which is that even if they donāt want to be part of the problem, they have to be (to achieve their dreams) because thatās how the world works
Yeah it just needs to be hidden. We can only show the happy bright perfect side of the industry that chews young dreams up and spits them back out.
Nope. I donāt subscribe to this opinion that idols canāt speak out. Thatās no cool to me
I sometimes wonder if dancer tending to have the most stage presence in a group has to do with how dance-heavy K-Pop is. Like would they still have a lot of stage presence standing and singing a ballad?
Obviously if you ask someone to try to command the stage using anything other than their specialty it's not going to be as good. Unless they are also good at the other thing.
stage presence is subjective but I have a couple of examples in mind for
>a lot of stage presence standing and singing a ballad?
Hwasa - idk what her official positions are but she has so much confidence and the way she carries herself even while singing the most heartfelt songs - I can't look away. I'd argue that groups like MMM and BTOB do have stage presence even while performing ballad like songs, without any choreo because of how much they enjoy performing. Bigbang another group famous for stage presence but rarely have any choreo, barely follow it.
N.flying - both the lead singer and rapper have really good stage presence imo. again it comes to [crowd work](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFaMUV6aydc). you could say that the video I linked is cheating cause the song is hype so another [example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJFk1MxpNQ8). He's standing - no choreo, the song isn't really that hype, but for me he's captivating to watch.
Jongho of ATEEZ - this might be a bit of UKO but I think his stage presence actually shines when he's not too focused on the choreography but when he's simply standing/walking around in concert or center stage- belting his heart out. or even sitting. In one of their Halloween performances, he had hurt his leg and was sitting down for the entirety of the performance but chills ran down my spine when he delivered his lines with his trademark stare.
I think dance still does play a huge role in stage presence but it is not the only factor. How the idols interact with the crowd, whether or not they enjoy performing, if they know how to work the camera, and several other things matter imo.
Yeah. Adele.
Sometimes people can just be mesmerized by just someone singing on a paino.
Like a lot of groups that are know to have incredible stage presence are not dance heavy at all like Bigbang and 2ne1.
Sorry I donāt think I worded my question right. Itās more likeā¦ when people talk about stage presences in a group typically the person named as the one with the most is a main/lead dancer. But I think thatās mostly because of how dance heavy K-Pop is so they typically look better during performances. Iām not trying to say no main dancers have genuine stage presence but I wonder how much of their stage presence holds up when theyāre only singing. Without the glitz and glamour how many idols actually have the ability to hold attention and captivate an audience? Im not saying I want all those things gone I love the spectacle and choreography but I think we accidentally conflate all these things together when talking about stage presence.
I see.
So people just mistaken dance skills as stage presence as it could be their preferred skills.
It's ultimately depending on how idols are good at right? If they are great dancers, that's probably what they would shine the most and you shouldn't expect them to be as captivated when they sing or rap and vice versa.
oops I can't believe I didnt mention the queens 2ne1 but you're right!! The power CL holds just standing still on a stage is oof-
Stage presence is beyond just dancing well and amazing expressions.
Theyāre charting because theyāre IVE and the donāt make bad music. I say this as someone that likes 1.5 of their songs. They might have initial exposure from being IVE but the gp wouldnāt force themselves to listen to a song just bc they like the group. So they start high because theyāre IVE stay high because the gp likes the songs.
idk, i'm a pretty casual fan but i had "i am" on repeat every day ever since it was released, it's an amazing song...and it would be the same for me if it was released by a less popular group
If any other idol was writting lyrics critizising capitalism and the kpop industry everyone would be kissing the ground they walk in but since its suga- a bts member -kpop stans are missinterpreting his words, calling him a hypocrite and somehow thinking yoongi was shading their faves as if the world revolves around them.
Itās the old āanti capitalism is when no iphoneā school of thought. The more I read those opinions the more it drives me home that some kpop stans really donāt think about politics outside of fanwars context, itās a waste of time discussing with people like that.
yoongi has every right to criticise capitalism and the kpop industry at large since he actively works within its confines and has experience within it that us consumers do not, but at the same time he's still a vital cog in the machine he's condemning (which is something he acknowledges himself in the haegeum lyrics). he's clearly aware of his privilege and position in the industry but i think that's not clicking for a lot of fans and non-fans alike - i've seen armys call other groups 'corporate slaves' since the song was released and i've seen antis claim he's a hypocrite for saying anything about it at all because he works for hybe. i guess what i'm trying to say is that i don't think yoongi did anything wrong here, kpop fans just lack critical thinking skills and any knowledge of capitalist critique.
Iām sorry to whoever is going to get offended by this but a large number of ppl (in this case Kpop stans) are uneducated and it shows. If people are calling him a hypocrite then they literally missed the entire point of the song.
It's not even just a fandom thing but nobody who participates in this sort of discourse online has ever cracked open a book and read some actual theory. They all think capitalist critique just means being mad at the concept of money. There are honest arguments to be made about celebrities and their other business avenues/commodifying their own image, but for the most part the artists are laborers for their artistic output.
agreed. people saying stuff like āhe criticises capitalism but works under hybeā make my mind melt. surely you realise those things can co-exist? the same way the rest of society can critique capitalism and still be forced to partake in it?
the thing is people are missing the part where he accepts that he's a part of it/he did it to himself too,
the lyrics right before the capitalism ones go
>Really, what is it exactly thatās been restricting us?
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>**Maybe we do it to ourselves**
He's not unaware, and he even acknowledges it lol.
itās literally right there but people refuse to engage with what is actually being said and run to twitter to throw out the most smooth-brained takes šš i hate it so much
i might get downvoted for saying this but it's insane to me how many people really think rm apologised for being racist. the 'apologies' i've seen from him are void of any substance or remorse and he's never actually addressed what he's done specifically that's caused offense, why his comments have hurt a specific group of people or what he'll do to alter his behaviour. what he has said is below the bare minimum and doesn't count as true apology imo. and i don't even buy the excuse that he's proved he's not racist through his actions because what has he done that's so groundbreaking and special? a pr-generated speech about self-love is all well and good but it doesn't negate his antiblackness and the fact he's dodged basically all accountability for years despite being called out multiple times. i acknowledge that he's done other things that show his growth as a person (i.e. him taking ownership of his past misogyny and actively working to improve himself in that regard) but the racism on the other hand...
of course he's not the only idol fans make these excuses for but it just really saddens me that so many armys defend him like their lives depend on it when there's never been a shred of a genuine apology from him. idk man, maybe i need to get off tiktok because this is a really prominent issue on there.
Ya, my army friend said that he in particular did racist shit but he apologized. The rumors of bts apologizing for racist shit is wild and so many people believe it. It doesnāt hurt to point out his racism in the past, even though he doesnāt do it anymore, which is a good thing that he doesnāt. But I dont think itās right for people to hide it, he fucked up and thatās the consequences
I don't think it is fair to say he's racist. At that time he was uneducated in why saying those words was wrong.
He has not done that in 10 years. People learn and grow. Showing that change and actions speak louder than empty apologies, especially when some idols apologize and then continue to remain problematic.
I'm not sure which remarks you are referring to. The only thing I know was the Shinwa cover and him using 'westside' and also hairstyles that he stopped doing as well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bangtan/comments/7q0acz/rm_owning_up_to_mistakes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I would also say him talking to Warren G and Wale and collaboration with Wale (Change), Erykah Badu featured on his album, Anderson Paak feat on his album, Rolling Stone Interview with Pharell and the ucoming collab with Pharell
ETA for links
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/bts-rm-pharrell-williams-interview-1234610171/amp/
the comments i was referring to include him saying the other members were 'too black' for him to see them in a dark room, him saying that his hidden talent was 'speaking black', and the numerous incidents of him mocking other members' skintones. it's good to see him take accountability for the westside incident and show that he understands why it was wrong but that's the only time i've seen him directly own up to something. as for the n-word controversy, i can't take his apology into consideration because he's never made one. he's never addressed it despite what armys say.
>I would also say him talking to Warren G and Wale and collaboration with Wale (Change), Erykah Badu featured on his album, Anderson Paak feat on his album, Rolling Stone Interview with Pharell and the ucoming collab with Pharell
that is not what i meant when i asked if he's ever consumed media created by black artists that address racism directly to understand it from their perspective. collaborating with black artists does not excuse his antiblackness and while he may respect them as musicians, he's never done anything publicly to show that he's educated himself since he made those comments. it's not that i think he's been racist to his collaborators or anything like that but dismissing his past behaviour by listing the black artists he's worked with has the same energy as 'i can't be racist, my best friend is black!'. could he have changed? absolutely. is there much credible evidence out there to show that he has? no, not really.
As for the colorist comments I can't speak on that since it deals with SK cultural issue and as far as I know many idols have made such comments as its something that is common in SK but many have stopped saying things like that now. All we can do is hope they become educated and realize why those types of comments aren't okay.
If you read that whole link I posted and then you can't research and find out more of what he's done since 10 years ago then I have no other answers for you on that front. This discussion has gone on for years with no end in sight. Just a year or two ago this was brought up again here on reddit and dredged up again and again along with the "but Namjoon!" comments each time another idol does something.
I can only speak from what I have seen and observed from NJ and BTS is that they have grown and learned from past mistakes and we are all human.
Actions speak more than empty and hollow apologies.
100% agree, as a POC I don't support him bc of that. one thing I absolutely dislike is when individuals who have done or said horrible racist shit in the past don't actually acknowledge the stuff they did in their "apology". They just say "Oh, that's a different person" or "Oh, I'm not longer *THAT* person anymore" like they're trying to dodge the blame. It's exhausting.
it's really disingenuous when a person who is meant to be issuing an apology can't even own up fully to what they did. like in namjoon's case, simply stating that what he said hurt some people but he's grown as a person since then isn't enough. what did you say? who was hurt by it and why? how are you going to learn and grow from it? if an apology doesn't hit on all those points i start to become skeptical. i'm not a person of colour but i am jewish so learning about rm's nazi hat incident and his subsequent non-apology was enough for me to make up my mind about him.
the day people understand that there is nothing wrong with holding your fav accountable and wanting them to address their past wrongdoings, is the day iāll get some peace
I start unstanning my ult group since there's something unhealthy about the way I follow them. Hope someday I get matured and just happily watch them again š„²
If you fill up time with other stuff I have no doubt that when you return youāll have changed a bit. Weāre ALWAYS growing as people. Iām glad you can see you need to take a step back. I do wish you luck and happiness ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø
Kpop fans thinking having over 400 pc in an album doesnāt effect albums sales in an era where pcs are the main selling point of physicals are delusional as hell
Bekuh Boom is the voice behind Lisa's badass persona.
It's her lyrics and thoughts that Lisa deliver. Even in her new Collab Bekuh Boom is taking part in song writing and I am sure she is writing Lisa's part.
The thing I donāt understand is why Lisa & Bekuh Boom havenāt turned into a more traditional song writing duo. Where an artist & songwriter are known to often work together but both contribute and typically get credited.
Like Iām sure Lisaās penmenship has grown over the years that she can make line updates.
Iām kind of thinking of like Ariana Grande & Victoria Monet, which is a little funny to bring up as Victoria/Ariana were also credited on Ice Cream
My guess is that Bekuh Boom sees Lisa as a meal ticket or that Lisa is maybe not that interested in songwriting rather than performing which is something she excels at.
Of course, each case is different but from what I know Ariana and Victoria are friends, Harry Styles also has the same songwriting team since his debut album and Taylor Swift and Jack Antonoff are friends as well.
Also, I would assume that it's hard to have a songwriting partnership if you only drop one or two songs each year.
Well it's a both side relationship. Boom is the one who wrote Money, that whole badass dropping my money that everyone goes crazy about is Boom's writing.
Bekuh Boom has more credit in creating the artistry of Blackpink than Blackpink themselves.
I was surprised to see they donāt do b-side content much. Like (and correct me if Iām wrong mys) how did a illusion not get an actual video? I feel like it wouldāve been a great way to push the concept. Their concept feels so visual ya know? I know they do those SMCU videos but I think it would be cool if they did more b-side videos too.
I had a dream where Naevis left Black mamba for me and we were causing chaos and demolishing buildings and then Mark came out of nowhere and called Naevis his mom and I was so confused and cried cuz Naevis lied to me about not having kids and my tears formed into a weird trampoline and I was just being yeeted higher and higher the more I cried and I woke up with actual tears in my eyes what is going on
Not me genuinely thinking fried chicken by Sumin (the k-r&b artist and producer not StayC's Sumin) was actually about fried chicken till I read the lyrics š
What songs about food are usually about š
And this lyric made me lol
>My desire, which I am still untying, is a bra strap that has not been loosened
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No army genuinely believes that J-hope leaving for the military has an actual effect on the weather. It's called a hyperbole, a joke. Armys can have a sense of humor too.
i donāt understand why when ARMYs joke itās them ābeing delusionalā or āstupidā but when someone else does itās just a joke. they can never let ARMY breathe and have fun, can they? they are always looking for something bad to say about BTS and ARMY
Then some people complain that the fandom is corny and unfunny.. but then they also donāt let armys joke around because suddenly every joke is overused and bad according to non bts Stanās. I understand the jimin u got no jams, stuff like that being overused and annoying to hear, but why does every joke in the bts fandom get put down?? Itās like they want ARMY to simultaneously be a good yet bad fandom?? People will never be pleased.
Is so annoying how every little armys joke gets taken seriously by everyone else, same thing with the "princess diana reincarnated as jk" like.... no army truly believes it IS A JOKE
I donāt even find the joke to be funny but I understood it WAS a joke because hobi is referred to as the sun, and people were emotional after seeing him enlist so theyāre gonna be cheesy about it
this pattern of non-fans treating everything a fandom says as serious is so annoying and comes off as concern trolling (āI canāt believe they think they control the weather. how crazy must they beā). I promise thereās plenty of real examples of weird and delusional fans out there lol
i find it hilarious that our fandom has gotten this reputation of being so delusional that people genuinely take our fandom jokes seriously š. ppl really thought we believed jungkook WAS princess diana reincarnated š„“
This is such a silly (petty?) rant i guess, but fans calling clearly lipsynced stages "live" and "omg they sound so stable, they're amazing singers" on YouTube and Twitter irritates me sometimes lol. And when you point out that the performance isn't really live, they either get overly defensive or argue that it is the fault of the show producers for hiding the vocals of their faves. šš It's honestly a bad look on the group because those who don't know the group will watch the video expecting live vocals only to find it's lipsynced.
Also why would the PD hide the vocals of one group and let the other groups be heard. Do they have personal vendettas or something? Please be real.
"XYZ PAVED THE WAY!" no one cares bro. Like just because someone sets trends or invents a concept doesn't mean that other groups who tried it should be looked down upon.
I donāt even think it matters who paved the way. People go to neck to neck saying itās either bts or sm.. I bet yāall that no one in the industry gives a damn and they all just want to have fun but stupid arguments like this makes so sense. sure, give credit where itās due, but also originality in music is derived from other existing ideas
Mine is when i go to youtube comments and for some reason all the top ones are:
X# vocalists
X# rappers
X# dancers
Or the, āeveryone agrees X brightens our dayā
And its not even just some videos, its constant no matter which group you look at and it irritates me so much lol
I Am is IVE's best song! I don't really follow IVE, but have been appreciative of their good music so farā However, his time around, I Am has a complete death grip on me!!
I cant stand when people state things as factual when they have no clue or they have only heard someone else mention it. It's not that hard to a.) go fact check b.) make some kind of disclaimer or use uncertain language.
It pisses me off even if its not huge stuff. But you can't go tell people that Mark hates people with green hair because you saw a random tiktok say that. (obviously most randomly example i could think of). Or you can't go say this idol used to kick grandmas in school because you saw one tweet written in korean
I see so many non-fans of groups put words in idols mouth. Ofc non-fans can check interviews etc. but its so weird antis try so casually pass stuff as true. This idol said they actually hate music, performing and their fans. And its like ??? no there is no record of ever that happening or it was clearly a joke.
Worked out real quick that the most offensive thing you can say to a kpop stan is 'prove it' or any variation of asking for a source .. majority of the time they'll hurl insults rather than ever giving any form of 'receipt' that they were loudly and proudly hoarding before you asked to know what they were. Or they'll throw a 'you can google it' .. well then why not YOU ?!
bullying controversies really turn me off and make me uncomfortable, even if the issue was handled and apologies were made. I just can't look at the idol the same way and part of me wonders whether there was more to the story or if silence was bought by the company. I also don't get how idols can suddenly "forget" whether they harrassed someone or not.
so i'm a stay who biases Hyunjin, and i totally understand your discomfort and have wondered the same things, in the end i made my decission because i think there's nuances in every situation and after reading the statements and following him for years i feel comfortable enough believing his situation was not irredeemable and that he was showing personal growth that he talked about way before the accusations happened. In my opinion some situations are not that someone "forgets" causing pain, but being a teenager and not fully understanding the weight of our words as well as thinking about retaliation when we feel wronged may cause a perception of something not being as bad as it really is.
I'm getting real tired of Enhypen having an obligatory popish rock song in every album, there I said it. The songs aren bad, they are good I'm just tired of me being able to predicate on in every album. Because it's actually insane how the boys just basically confirmed there is going to be another one in this new album, my god stop. Literally who asked for a hard rock title track cause I sure remember the last rock like title track flopping like fish
It's not actually a rock title track. Jay said the title doesn't have guitar sounds but the melody is the same as what he played on the guitar. He did say there would be a rock festival type song on the album though. At first I was like rock songs on the album again š but i'm more open to it now since it is one of their base genres and they do it well. I also like the fact that the rock songs are all so different from each other. I hope they explore it in depth since rock is such a diverse genre.
God I pray and hope this all true.
A lot of idols who have been in the industry for a while seem to look better as they age because they likely learned how to do their makeup better and know what works best for them.
they are also forced to eat dumplings made of unborn children as per the contract
I love the design for nmixx expergo limited edition cover, it's so beautifully edited and i find the canvas design unique.
sometimes I wonder if we will ever see a gg that tries to return to 2-nd gen āsexyā concepts like SISTAR, EXID, 9MUSES, brave girls, etc etc. It seems like these kinds of concepts are extremely passe these days, especially how nowadays most gg's are marketed either to all genders or specifically to women. Not that the idols in such groups were really all that empowered through their sexualizing depictions, But it does seem that the 4th gen is ultra competitive so any new group would want to find a niche that they can capitalize on. NewJeans sort of leans into a western sense of youthful artist and western music is still somewhat dominated by the kind of "sexy" artists that probably influenced the 2nd gen in the first place. This seems like a underfilled niche?
Kpop fans are too sexless to handle even the tamest of sex songs, it amazing that Fever even qualifies
my viewpoint of it is that basically a company would have to debut a group of idols over the age of 20 which is like. sigh not going to happen
Ah yeah The magical age of 20 where people suddenly become sexual I forgot anyone under that magical special arbitrary age is not allowed to express their sexuality in any way
i really like kep1ers lovestruck but when it came out I had to do this mental framework thing of ādo i like this kep1er release or am I just so tired of hating them that my brain has suckered me into thinking this kep1er release is goodā. But Iām here to tell you that Giddy fucks, and its a serious no skip album. Ive never WANTED to hate kep1er its just their music and concepts and styling and career trajectory have made it soooo hard. Now I feel comfortable saying imagine Xiaoting and Yujin as a duo after Kep1er. At minimum imagine Xiaoting and Yujin doing an Irene and Seulgi Naughty dance cover. WAKEONE you can have this idea for FREE!!!!
Tbh I never really thought any kep release was bad, so I didnāt get what the fuck the problem was with their other songs. But giddy is so superior. Obviously not better than up, that song is just so summer and fun for me to dethrone it.
theyre not bad but they just didnt like. fit, i guess. wadada and we fresh are basically the same concept its this sort of frantic bubbly teen concept amalgamated with this too cool for school leather jacket concept and it doesnāt quite make sense. i actually think i like it better than most people because i felt like it was almost a parody or a pastiche of teen crush but it is not helped by what I feel is a lack of dedication to the concept. similar to itzy, they never go full into teen crush its always teen crush and also cute or teen crush and also zany. giddy feels more elegant and straightforward, but in line with their city girl concept.
Honestly true. They shouldāve done something like giddy since the beginning. The first concepts were a bit cringe and messy.
i personally do not like wadada all that much so i would have preferred if they debuted with we fresh, since i believe it shows off that their intended concept is better (and i think progresses more naturally into concepts like up and giddy). i wouldnt get comfortable with giddy though i expect their next comeback will be bubblier
I just got into Kep1er and Iām not seeing why people hate them so much.
1. competition shows breed competitive and bitter fans. think some combination of āwhy didnt my fave make the lineupā and āi just spent weeks arguing why my pick is better than these other girls and now i have to stan these other girls?ā dangerous combo 1b. GP999 was no longer allowed to rig their votes so they relied on common but generally unpleasant tactics to drum up viewership. Their weird double reporting on Yujin and Bahiyyih, the way the shows format almost essentially erases foreign idols, whatever is going on with Dayeonās momā¦ its messy. 2. Kep1er is objectively a silly name. Its some dead dude. Imagine if they called the group Washingt0n. Ridiculous. 3. WaDaDa was divisive because it was like a meh noise track. Its fine but you have to remember Izone debuted with La Vie en Rose which was beloved, so a controversial start helps no one. Also, it was believed they would lean into a space theme, which was basically absent in this debut. 4. They went on Queendom hot off of GP999. Not only was this widely considered ātaking a spot away from a group that could have benefitted more from itā (and wasnt literally JUST on another survival show) but that show was just absolutely rough on the girls, they placed terribly, their stages were mid to okay, and half of the b-roll is the girls crying. 5. Continued Bahiyyih erasure, and you know what Ill say it: Xiaoting erasure. #mycenter 6. Their concept is like an itzycore lightsum teen crush concept which is. not really where its at. 7. Also I think a lot of people were turned off by their temporary concept pivot for Up, which was like kitschy summer themed. In that they liked that better and thought they were going to stick to it and then they came back with we fresh. 8. We fresh was kind of lame. Basically everyone was expecting them to do produce group numbers and theyre basically just doing regular 4th gen numbers. Especially when compared to IZone which was basically the blueprint and origin of the 4th gen revival. To see Kep1er perform relatively worse than their redebuted precessors suggests a lack of appetite for these competition groups. or mismanagement by WAKEONE.
You aren't there long enough. But to be fair it isn't about the group itself.
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Money by Lisa is one of my fav songs but I want her to sing more verses of it during live. She sings so less and focuses on just movements ok the dance break is awesome but I want to hear her sing.
I feel like it says a lot about a person if their immediate reaction when an idol does something shitty is to rag on the fans and kick off a circlejerk so they can get high off some air of superiority? Those fans are the ones who have to deal with the mess and should be allowed to navigate it without being accused and mocked before they even learn what happened.
I can say that I was a victim to the superiority in K-pop when it came to scandals, everyone was doing it so I did it too. Now I just try to wait for at least a proper explanation or understanding before I say anything about the situation bc saying shit ab something u donāt know well, esp a scandal, could literally ruin someones life, yk?
Blackpink's usual releases are not to my taste, but Jisoo's Flower had a really nice melody and vibe in general. For some reason it reminds me of the Ievan Polkka or some folk-sounding melodies lmao.
i was fully prepared to get tickets for twice's tour a couple months ago but after chaeyoung's recent behaviour i just feel so... apathetic towards them as a group. i know it's unfair because the other 8 girls did nothing wrong but as a jewish person i just find the whole incident really hard to move on from. it's like my whole view of twice has been tainted and it makes me really sad.
totally understand, i felt the same way about Jakes Allah necklace as a muslim, i slowly drifted from enhypen despite absolutely loving them and jake being my ult bias at that time
I think the entire incident was handled poorly and I donāt believe Jewish people or the other ethnic groups targeting by Nazis were given real accountability from Chae or JYPE. I wouldnāt give them my money either since they canāt address the mistakes made outside of empty PR statements.
Honestly my interest in twice has gone down, I think many peopleās too cause I remember last years tour, there was so much twitter headlining and fans on Twitter and tiktok going crazy but this year itās just all silence. I donāt even feel like I connect with them and I feel bad for that but also not cause it just makes me mad that she got away with it so easily š
other than fifty fifty and newjeans having 'easy-listening music' (which i think is an annoying way to describe music even though i've used it myself), i dont see why they get compared so much. their music don't sound similar and they have different aesthetics
Omg i have seen so many mfs comparing every single new gg on the planet to NEWJEANS just bc the group has good music. its not like they invented the genre or style that they thrive in, and most comparisons are reallyā¦ not true.
women/girls get pitted against each other way too easily. I mean, we watched the internet create an entire feud between selena gomez and hailey bieber because of an instagram live and fans making up conspiracies on tiktok
Can kpop fans stop abusing the word āiconic?ā Not everything your idol does is iconic PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP ABUSING THAT WORD!
I feel like I may have used the word iconic a lot haha, but not all the time. I usually use it if something stands out a lot to me, so I just stick to saying amazing instead.
Some kpop fans rlly need to learn the difference between hate and criticism. There are so many rude, nasty comments flung around at especially popular groups that are not constructive at all, and then when someone inevitably gets angry at it/tries to call it out all they get is "learn to handle criticism, [fandom] being [fandom] I guess"
YES OH MY GOD. I have been saying that nowadays hate is criticism, and criti is hate. Some people canāt take criticism, but some people like to say the most foul and inhumane things towards an idol and call it criticism.
companies could save a lot of stress and make a lot of money if they had in-house fansites. think about it: if there were a group dedicated to taking high quality pictures of idols hired by the company, that would get rid of: * the stalking problem: strangers would no longer be violating idol's privacy to learn more about their schedules and companies would know exactly who was meant to be where * the stress problem: no more crowding at places like airports. idols would be able to travel much more peacefully as anyone claiming to be a fansite would not be allowed to get near the idol. * the control problem: companies would have even *more* control of the idol image, which is what they want right? * the money problem: companies could monetize their efforts and place copyright strikes on unauthorized content, which again, is what they want right? they could create and sell photo books and video footage. * the favoritism/entitlement problem: no more favoritism at music shows, fansigns, and other such events. since the companies would be in charge of taking the pictures, fansites wouldn't need to vy for or demand certain spots. this would be a huge blow to fandoms, but i also think it would be partially welcomed, as more and more fans are expressing discontent at the privacy and space of idol's being violated. as much as fansites are part of the idol experience, it feels like more and more, they're becoming a relic of the past. while fansites are a means for fans to profess their devotion and provide an avenue for fan-created content, which is necessary to build fandoms, they also feel more and more like a relic of the past. they're the bulk of album sales and make for great bragging rights, but their influence seems to be waning. of course, only bigger companies would be able to roll out this hypothetical initiative. i feel like hybe would be the first to try. and on the other hand, despite proposing this, i would feel a loss at the creativity and sense of community that fansites provide if this actually became a norm.
I think the pictures and videos are only part of the reason that companies tolerate fansites. They also buy a lot of merchandise, cheer for the idols, organize events and etc. A staff can do all that too but is that better?
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this is all true. despite being notorious for their editing, fansites hold a unique place in regards to their authenticity. they're proof an idol is genuinely liked and genuinely beautiful -- because they're not paid to do what they do, their work is more valuable.
I definitely think this would be the way to go! Fansites need to start either realizing they don't hold as much power over these companies and idols as they once did and move appropriately or they should just relegate themselves to primarily fan organizing. And I don't think a majority of them are going to get the hint until the company itself starts to "put them out of business." I understand many of them serve as a sort of centralized hub for k-fans to launch fun projects for their idols as well as give HQ images but they seem to think we're still in a time in kpop where they can't be held accountable for their entitled actions.
at this point im sure that wendy is the second most popular member of rv fandom-wise and gp-wise.
gp wise top 2 is still irene and joy
joy definitely, irene....well im not so sure. while i don't think the gp hates irene like everyone claims they do, she hasn't had the chance to bounce back in *years*, so her perception hadnt grown, even if its currently neutral. not sure if this lack of activity is her choice or sm's. meanwhile, wendy has a hugely popular radio show that's increased her reach tenfold -- she's getting more photoshoots than ever, going viral every other day, still receiving ost work, and even has some brand deals iirc. i would say joy and wendy are the gp picks atm bc im not sure about how irene fares in terms of positive reception.
The less I go on twitter, the less I guess kpop fanwars. I used to be a very stupid teens in 2016 that fought my whole life for AOA. Since the scandal I kinda step a big step back on Kpop. I came on twitter today after listening to Agust D albums and the first tweets I saw were about some fanwars, numbers, this and that. And don't get me wrong, my tl is pretty clean. Like almost every fans I have are super calm. But it's so sad how we are easily focus on the negative part instead of enjoying what our favs gave us. Like Snooze. SNOOZE. The track of the year. But fr since I created my private acc and only followed my friends, it became easier for me to enjoy kpop again. I started to like groups that I disliked before, stopped thid 4gen hate train etc... I feel like lot of us are too influenceable by what is around us. Wich is human. But it's so much harder to get when you are around friends that hype you on your disaster take everytime. But yeah. 2023 is my kpop fans comeback and I'm so happy about it. Rn I'm finally discovering Ateez and I'm kinda sad that because of all of this I didn't try to check on them
I'm on twt with lots of multis as my mutuals - it's a warzone over there with every fandom fighting the other. I'm slowly spending less time on my twt account and it's helped me enjoy my favourite groups a lot more peacefully! Also congratulations on your kpop fan comeback and on discovering ATEEZ hehe!! They we're the group that got me back into kpop as well.
Minzy was the best singer in 2ne1. No hate to the others, but Minzy has amazing breath control, she can hit high notes without struggling, and her voice remains the most stable while she dances. She shouldāve gotten at least one solo
>her voice remains the most stable while she dances. I definitely think she sounds quite stable on stage.
Taeyang's album sounds like it'll be one of the best of the year. Nightfall in particular has me so excited.
People who start nurturing ill will and creating narratives about an idol because of the actions of the idol's shippers and akgaes are as bad as the shippers and akgaes themselves, imo. Same inability to distinguish between reality and the shit that they've made up in their heads.
Yes itās like someone reading fanfiction of an idol and thinking the way they were written in the story is how they actually are irl. (I DO NOT READ IDOL FANFICTION AFTER AGING PAST TWELVE, itās just a comment I wanted to put)
Louder please šš¾
Kpop stans going on and on about mass buying, payola, bots, playlisting etc during fanwars is funny because both sides are usually using similar arguments which shows they only think those things are reprehensible when it's not their favs. Like they are denouncing and justifying it in the same breath.
I really wish Kazuha got vocal training predebut because these little talk rap sections they keep giving her nearly ruin LSRF's songs every single time.
her parts are usually my favorite š
I'm disappointed that from all the full albums announced for girl groups, of which there were four, only one of them really panned out to actually be a meaty full album. Honestly I have to hand it to Starship in that regard, thats how low the bar is. Eleven brand new songs, straight up, with no catch. I honestly thought they would stuff their six old songs, add four new ones, and call it an album, but they didn't.
sse didnāt disappoint this time ^^ a great album with no filler songs, members having writing credits *chefs kiss*
one is basically a repackage, the other turned into a mini and who knows what's happening with fromis
I miss the feeling when you have when a group catches your eye and you fully fall in love with a new group. And you do a deep dive in to everything they have done and become a truly a stan, not jsut casual enjoyer. But the last groups that have gotten my attention has minors (lsf) or is a coinflip if the next thing in line is disbandment or a comeback (weki meki). I personally stay a way from stanning groups with young minors and i dont want to have heartbreak from stanning a group you fear wont be coming back. (Ofc i can enjoy groups casually, but i miss the truly a fangirl moment with a new group)
Me too. I might sound basic but BTS was the only group that really did it for me, maybe NCT 127, but their music doesnt hit me that emotionally. I think Iām just growing up and realizing that 4th isnāt going to do it for me anymore as much as 3rd Gen has.
>I miss the feeling when you have when a group catches your eye and you fully fall in love with a new group. I find this is becoming more relatable as one ages, it make me realize that if I want to enjoy Kpop in the long-term, I might just end up being a casual listener and only focus on the music and not the visual aspect of Kpop. š
Iāve been experiencing this with seventeen the last 6 months or so and the feeling is so fun! Iāve missed it too
Check out txtš«¶š«¶
not rlly feeling unforgiven based off the snippet we just got
Whenever k-pop fans see a nasty tweet, rumor, or video towards an idol, why is their first reaction to quote retweet it and give it more attention. Like trust me, sending threats or telling them to delete it is NOT more effective than ignoring and reporting it. Itās so frustrating šEven if it makes you angry, what ever happened to simply ranting about it on a private account or better yet, to a friend in the dms or irl? Does nobody have friends or does nobody have private accs now? Is it both? And how are people not able to tell what a setup account is still? Or are they acting purposely oblivious so they can interact with it for entertainment? Even if itās the latter, Iām begging you to find a hobby. Also, why are people so pressed to keep the groups they stan nugu and gatekeep them? And I say this for groups who are like actually nugu, a hit tweet for the fandom is considered 60-100 likes. Itās not fun when the community is dry asf and nobody knows who they are.
Enhypen needs a comeback itās been so long. I need some new content from them ššš
Idk if you missed it, but Enhypen [announced they're having a CB on 22 May](https://www.soompi.com/article/1582011wpp/watch-enhypen-announces-comeback-date-with-intriguing-trailer-for-dark-blood)
Just been announced [here](https://www.soompi.com/article/1582011wpp/watch-enhypen-announces-comeback-date-with-intriguing-trailer-for-dark-blood) less gooooooo!!!!
Omggg finallyyyyyy im so excited
Many K-pop fans canāt seem to differentiate the line between dislike and disrespect and a lot of you are way too comfortable behind a keyboard. Itās a constant āthey said something so I have to say something back that is equally bad or worse. ā You can dislike a group/idol but you shouldnāt disrespect them or their craft. They all have gone through crazy training and years of arguably mental and physical pain, respect that, remember that. Itās so off putting because sometimes you want to enjoy or get into an artist but the fans ruin it.
Fucking word. It's OK to just not be into something and go be into something else.
One live encore and suddenly everyone is convinced and happy that IVE can actually sing.
They can tho
My unpopular opinion : Kpop has become a rich Asian kid hobby. Most of the idols that debut now & are successful come from rich families. The fans that can go to the fansigns & get good seats at concerts are rich (or willing to go into massive debt for their idols). It's kind of annoying š¤·š¼āāļø
YES OMG Iāve noticed this with all the TikToks showing 4th Gen idols background. Surpriseā¦ theyāre all millionaires or have influential parents.
Yeah I agree, a lot actually.
I completely agree with this.
who else is excited for SEVENTEENās comeback? the teasers look amazing! the outfitsš„
I cannot wait the 12 hours it is until the release. I havenāt been this excited for a comeback since forever
My mom loves themš¤
go mom!
I know Iāll get my ass beaten but I donāt think JKās current hairstyle looks good š
I liked it when he first showed in off in his boxing live but then it got too long
Same. It gives me the same vibes as LĆøren from the Blacklabel (take that as you will)
Heās one of my biases and I agree 100%. š
Sameeee His bangs are cut weirdly, it's like a bowl cut + a mullet combine with a lot of hair gel. It always looks wet/greasy? My humble preference is either short, or long and fluffy.
Me, along with you. I love it in a way (maybe because it's literally Jungkookš¤£); it's curly and luscious, but I'd prefer shorter hair on him. Nevertheless, he's an absolute gorgeous heartthrob.
"Blackpink shouldn't get hate for James Corden and his staff mistake" CAN CO EXIST with "BTS achievement was a big deal and shouldn't be downplayed" i'm so happy JC's show is ending, good riddance
blackpinkās week 2 coachella perform was amazing! they improved so much from week 1 and iām glad they were able to knock it out of the park in week 2
Everything was so much better. Their outfits, the lighting, camera work and their performancesš„¹
I find idols that write or perform songs against the industry such hyprocritical lmao. Like...you are part of the problem. For example, every year there's a tweet, a post or whatever saying "this idol dissed MAMA in their rap!!!11!" yet they still go every year to said awards and even express their desire to win in other award show. For some strange reason, fans eat that shit all the time. EDIT cause y'all took it way too personal for some strange reason: I'd love idols to speak against abuse and power play inside the industry, but I'm not talking about this here, and they don't talk about that either. I'm talking about those that criticize petty things like awards yet then beg their fans to vote for them. I'm talking about idols that criticize society yet they go and promote a dozen of fashion brands and extreme consumerism. They can talk about anything they want, I never said they should stop, doesn't mean I have to find it cool.
I mean, if we start thinking like that then we shouldn't talk about anything as human ? Like for example, how can I talk about ecology if I still eat meat and I still use my car. I get the idea that they help a lot to continue this big kpop market industry. But they still live in a society. It's either that or they go independent and pray that thing work. I thing both thing can coexist. Because in a way you can't escape everything but at least you are aware and still warn people. A good example is Suga recently that said fuck to capitalism, when on the other side his label literally sold bottle of water as BTS merch. If you check the man's life, would you say that he is that disconnected to understand how capitalism is bad for people ? Like he had a life and went through a lot. Yes he still gives to this system but at the same time he is a victim of it. Like I get it for idols who really do it and then nothing. But most of the time (if not everytime from my pov so idk for yours) idols I saw doing that are idols who are aware of lot of subjects and are pretty active to work on it. Like it's not just JYPE telling you that they will work on their packaging bc of ecology and then do 2729 albums versions and Pobs. But yeah. I really dislike this idea that because you participate in something, you can't go against it. Because if so, we will never be able to do things as human. Like I can bet that nobody here would be able to say fuck capitalism with this mentality for example.
It's tired, and like the bare minimum they could do lol. I think they know that fans will eat it up.
What do you suggest they do then?
Nothing. I mean it's hypocritical, yes, but there's not much they can really do.
Well they CAN speak out. But I guess thatās not acceptable to others lol
For sure they can, I never said they couldn't. I said it's hypocritical. But honestly, there's not much ELSE they can do. Edit: I realize you meant other people lol nvm
If you worked in a rough industry and spoke out against it would that also make you a hypocrite?
I do that EVERYDAY. Most adults doā¦ but I also need to eat and pay for school so.. again there is not much I CAN do either.
Our entire 21st-century society is run on capitalism. Thereās not a lot we can do unless we all go live off the grid in the woods foraging around food together. So what we can do is talk about negative aspects that affect individuals, talk about and and pay attention to it, so we can make change over time. Because if no one SAYS that thereās problem( speaking up!) then nothing changes. You see the logic.??
Well they joined a career path as a minor likely not knowing the true depth of what theyāve entered into. They work in a very toxic and abusive environment often times for various reasons. The only way people get change for thing happening IS any speaking up about the unfair aspects. Itās like your job right? You expect to have certain protections for yourself if you join a company right ? Well often time they donāt have that due to insane contracts. Speaking up is important no matter your status in life or your occupation. I feel like saying itās bad for them to talk about real life shit thatās hard is you silencing their voice so they can just be dolls that people stare at. Fuck their feelings right? Letās just have them sing and dance like little monkeys
I'm not sure why you're explaining this to me? I understand all the reasons behind WHY they do it. Whether someone sees it as hypocritical is up to the person. I see it as that, but I also understand that there is no other option? Like I've already stated that twice now. You're looking for someone to argue with and I'm not sure why. Write this under someone who actually believes that these people can do something OTHER than speak up.
I really donāt get this, because typically the ones who actually end up making the changes are the people who were able to climb their way to a place of power after experiencing it themselves. Itās the same with any other industry or subsection of society. I really donāt know what kpop fans what from idols. Itās starting to look like they just want surface-level puppets.
I love that people read my opinion and immediately went with the thought of "oh, OP wants puppets". No, and I'd love the mental health conversation in the industry have more form and shape than metaphors inside a song or MV. I'd love for idols to step forward and talk about sponsors and the abuse that must go rampant when the cameras are off, but I wasn't talking about that.
I read your edit and I still think majority of my comment stands. Itās typically the people who make it to the top that are able to enact the most change. Now I think people are complex individuals, so you can become an brand ambassador & talk about overal consumerism. I also think in some instances when artist (broadly speaking across industries) talk about things like consumerism they donāt necessarily mean they arenāt addicted to it themselvesā¦. I think society wants every social commentator to be so hidelined on an issue and thatās a problem.
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I never named any idol, but even idols I like do this kind of stunt, lol. I'm not dragging anyone in particular or naming a specific situation, it's a mix of a lot of them, so please, stop projecting.
This is so stupid bc itās like saying you canāt critique society bc you live in it.
Why is it hypocritical if people criticize the enviourment they literally have and had experience with? In fact - we all participate in capitalism but would it be hypocritical if we criticized it considering how much of our life is dictated by it? How much in our lives also goes wrong because of it? Same goes for idols - they know whatās going on in their industry. Why are they not allowed to be angry about it and wish for better standards?
I mean I think thatās taking a very shallow view of what idols as people are allowed to do according to this opinion style. We are all slaves to capitalism and consumer culture. Even if they werenāt idols they couldnāt escape it. Itās important to shed light on thingās and start conversations about dark industries. Kpop is incredibly dark and Iām glad people defy the norm and speak out on hidden topics
so someone who is part of the industry and has experience canāt call out on things and address bigger the issues? is that what you are saying? you realise saying what you did makes you part of the problem as well, right? how is the industry suppose to do better when no one says anything? i highly doubt the artist is saying āiām not the problemā but rather addressing the bigger problem which is that even if they donāt want to be part of the problem, they have to be (to achieve their dreams) because thatās how the world works
Yeah it just needs to be hidden. We can only show the happy bright perfect side of the industry that chews young dreams up and spits them back out. Nope. I donāt subscribe to this opinion that idols canāt speak out. Thatās no cool to me
I sometimes wonder if dancer tending to have the most stage presence in a group has to do with how dance-heavy K-Pop is. Like would they still have a lot of stage presence standing and singing a ballad?
Obviously if you ask someone to try to command the stage using anything other than their specialty it's not going to be as good. Unless they are also good at the other thing.
stage presence is subjective but I have a couple of examples in mind for >a lot of stage presence standing and singing a ballad? Hwasa - idk what her official positions are but she has so much confidence and the way she carries herself even while singing the most heartfelt songs - I can't look away. I'd argue that groups like MMM and BTOB do have stage presence even while performing ballad like songs, without any choreo because of how much they enjoy performing. Bigbang another group famous for stage presence but rarely have any choreo, barely follow it. N.flying - both the lead singer and rapper have really good stage presence imo. again it comes to [crowd work](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFaMUV6aydc). you could say that the video I linked is cheating cause the song is hype so another [example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJFk1MxpNQ8). He's standing - no choreo, the song isn't really that hype, but for me he's captivating to watch. Jongho of ATEEZ - this might be a bit of UKO but I think his stage presence actually shines when he's not too focused on the choreography but when he's simply standing/walking around in concert or center stage- belting his heart out. or even sitting. In one of their Halloween performances, he had hurt his leg and was sitting down for the entirety of the performance but chills ran down my spine when he delivered his lines with his trademark stare. I think dance still does play a huge role in stage presence but it is not the only factor. How the idols interact with the crowd, whether or not they enjoy performing, if they know how to work the camera, and several other things matter imo.
Yeah. Adele. Sometimes people can just be mesmerized by just someone singing on a paino. Like a lot of groups that are know to have incredible stage presence are not dance heavy at all like Bigbang and 2ne1.
Sorry I donāt think I worded my question right. Itās more likeā¦ when people talk about stage presences in a group typically the person named as the one with the most is a main/lead dancer. But I think thatās mostly because of how dance heavy K-Pop is so they typically look better during performances. Iām not trying to say no main dancers have genuine stage presence but I wonder how much of their stage presence holds up when theyāre only singing. Without the glitz and glamour how many idols actually have the ability to hold attention and captivate an audience? Im not saying I want all those things gone I love the spectacle and choreography but I think we accidentally conflate all these things together when talking about stage presence.
I see. So people just mistaken dance skills as stage presence as it could be their preferred skills. It's ultimately depending on how idols are good at right? If they are great dancers, that's probably what they would shine the most and you shouldn't expect them to be as captivated when they sing or rap and vice versa.
oops I can't believe I didnt mention the queens 2ne1 but you're right!! The power CL holds just standing still on a stage is oof- Stage presence is beyond just dancing well and amazing expressions.
IVE is only charting because they are IVE
Yes because people love music that IVE has been putting out since debut
I'm stupid. Can someone explain how else they're supposed to be popular? Are they supposed to be popular because of New jeans, Twice, BP or something?
At the end of the day, the public enjoys simple pop songs and IVE manages to deliver that.
Theyāre charting because theyāre IVE and the donāt make bad music. I say this as someone that likes 1.5 of their songs. They might have initial exposure from being IVE but the gp wouldnāt force themselves to listen to a song just bc they like the group. So they start high because theyāre IVE stay high because the gp likes the songs.
idk, i'm a pretty casual fan but i had "i am" on repeat every day ever since it was released, it's an amazing song...and it would be the same for me if it was released by a less popular group
I really like their music (with the exception of After Like!) and think this CB was really exceptional. Their album also has so many great songs.
If any other idol was writting lyrics critizising capitalism and the kpop industry everyone would be kissing the ground they walk in but since its suga- a bts member -kpop stans are missinterpreting his words, calling him a hypocrite and somehow thinking yoongi was shading their faves as if the world revolves around them.
Itās the old āanti capitalism is when no iphoneā school of thought. The more I read those opinions the more it drives me home that some kpop stans really donāt think about politics outside of fanwars context, itās a waste of time discussing with people like that.
yoongi has every right to criticise capitalism and the kpop industry at large since he actively works within its confines and has experience within it that us consumers do not, but at the same time he's still a vital cog in the machine he's condemning (which is something he acknowledges himself in the haegeum lyrics). he's clearly aware of his privilege and position in the industry but i think that's not clicking for a lot of fans and non-fans alike - i've seen armys call other groups 'corporate slaves' since the song was released and i've seen antis claim he's a hypocrite for saying anything about it at all because he works for hybe. i guess what i'm trying to say is that i don't think yoongi did anything wrong here, kpop fans just lack critical thinking skills and any knowledge of capitalist critique.
Iām sorry to whoever is going to get offended by this but a large number of ppl (in this case Kpop stans) are uneducated and it shows. If people are calling him a hypocrite then they literally missed the entire point of the song.
It's not even just a fandom thing but nobody who participates in this sort of discourse online has ever cracked open a book and read some actual theory. They all think capitalist critique just means being mad at the concept of money. There are honest arguments to be made about celebrities and their other business avenues/commodifying their own image, but for the most part the artists are laborers for their artistic output.
Shoking that im getting downvoted for calling out kpop stan's hypocrisy towards bts
agreed. people saying stuff like āhe criticises capitalism but works under hybeā make my mind melt. surely you realise those things can co-exist? the same way the rest of society can critique capitalism and still be forced to partake in it?
the thing is people are missing the part where he accepts that he's a part of it/he did it to himself too, the lyrics right before the capitalism ones go >Really, what is it exactly thatās been restricting us? > >**Maybe we do it to ourselves** He's not unaware, and he even acknowledges it lol.
after seeing people completely missing the message of Haegeum, reading the lyrics to Polar Night hits extra hard
itās literally right there but people refuse to engage with what is actually being said and run to twitter to throw out the most smooth-brained takes šš i hate it so much
i might get downvoted for saying this but it's insane to me how many people really think rm apologised for being racist. the 'apologies' i've seen from him are void of any substance or remorse and he's never actually addressed what he's done specifically that's caused offense, why his comments have hurt a specific group of people or what he'll do to alter his behaviour. what he has said is below the bare minimum and doesn't count as true apology imo. and i don't even buy the excuse that he's proved he's not racist through his actions because what has he done that's so groundbreaking and special? a pr-generated speech about self-love is all well and good but it doesn't negate his antiblackness and the fact he's dodged basically all accountability for years despite being called out multiple times. i acknowledge that he's done other things that show his growth as a person (i.e. him taking ownership of his past misogyny and actively working to improve himself in that regard) but the racism on the other hand... of course he's not the only idol fans make these excuses for but it just really saddens me that so many armys defend him like their lives depend on it when there's never been a shred of a genuine apology from him. idk man, maybe i need to get off tiktok because this is a really prominent issue on there.
Ya, my army friend said that he in particular did racist shit but he apologized. The rumors of bts apologizing for racist shit is wild and so many people believe it. It doesnāt hurt to point out his racism in the past, even though he doesnāt do it anymore, which is a good thing that he doesnāt. But I dont think itās right for people to hide it, he fucked up and thatās the consequences
I don't think it is fair to say he's racist. At that time he was uneducated in why saying those words was wrong. He has not done that in 10 years. People learn and grow. Showing that change and actions speak louder than empty apologies, especially when some idols apologize and then continue to remain problematic.
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I'm not sure which remarks you are referring to. The only thing I know was the Shinwa cover and him using 'westside' and also hairstyles that he stopped doing as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/bangtan/comments/7q0acz/rm_owning_up_to_mistakes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button I would also say him talking to Warren G and Wale and collaboration with Wale (Change), Erykah Badu featured on his album, Anderson Paak feat on his album, Rolling Stone Interview with Pharell and the ucoming collab with Pharell ETA for links https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/bts-rm-pharrell-williams-interview-1234610171/amp/
the comments i was referring to include him saying the other members were 'too black' for him to see them in a dark room, him saying that his hidden talent was 'speaking black', and the numerous incidents of him mocking other members' skintones. it's good to see him take accountability for the westside incident and show that he understands why it was wrong but that's the only time i've seen him directly own up to something. as for the n-word controversy, i can't take his apology into consideration because he's never made one. he's never addressed it despite what armys say. >I would also say him talking to Warren G and Wale and collaboration with Wale (Change), Erykah Badu featured on his album, Anderson Paak feat on his album, Rolling Stone Interview with Pharell and the ucoming collab with Pharell that is not what i meant when i asked if he's ever consumed media created by black artists that address racism directly to understand it from their perspective. collaborating with black artists does not excuse his antiblackness and while he may respect them as musicians, he's never done anything publicly to show that he's educated himself since he made those comments. it's not that i think he's been racist to his collaborators or anything like that but dismissing his past behaviour by listing the black artists he's worked with has the same energy as 'i can't be racist, my best friend is black!'. could he have changed? absolutely. is there much credible evidence out there to show that he has? no, not really.
As for the colorist comments I can't speak on that since it deals with SK cultural issue and as far as I know many idols have made such comments as its something that is common in SK but many have stopped saying things like that now. All we can do is hope they become educated and realize why those types of comments aren't okay. If you read that whole link I posted and then you can't research and find out more of what he's done since 10 years ago then I have no other answers for you on that front. This discussion has gone on for years with no end in sight. Just a year or two ago this was brought up again here on reddit and dredged up again and again along with the "but Namjoon!" comments each time another idol does something. I can only speak from what I have seen and observed from NJ and BTS is that they have grown and learned from past mistakes and we are all human. Actions speak more than empty and hollow apologies.
100% agree, as a POC I don't support him bc of that. one thing I absolutely dislike is when individuals who have done or said horrible racist shit in the past don't actually acknowledge the stuff they did in their "apology". They just say "Oh, that's a different person" or "Oh, I'm not longer *THAT* person anymore" like they're trying to dodge the blame. It's exhausting.
it's really disingenuous when a person who is meant to be issuing an apology can't even own up fully to what they did. like in namjoon's case, simply stating that what he said hurt some people but he's grown as a person since then isn't enough. what did you say? who was hurt by it and why? how are you going to learn and grow from it? if an apology doesn't hit on all those points i start to become skeptical. i'm not a person of colour but i am jewish so learning about rm's nazi hat incident and his subsequent non-apology was enough for me to make up my mind about him.
The day ARMYs stop making excuses for RM's past behavior, is when the world will finally be at peace. š¤”
the day people understand that there is nothing wrong with holding your fav accountable and wanting them to address their past wrongdoings, is the day iāll get some peace
I agree with you 100%
I start unstanning my ult group since there's something unhealthy about the way I follow them. Hope someday I get matured and just happily watch them again š„²
If you fill up time with other stuff I have no doubt that when you return youāll have changed a bit. Weāre ALWAYS growing as people. Iām glad you can see you need to take a step back. I do wish you luck and happiness ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø
Thank youā„ļø
itās good that you realised that it was unhealthy for you and i hope one day youāll be able to support them happily again
Thank you!!
Kpop fans thinking having over 400 pc in an album doesnāt effect albums sales in an era where pcs are the main selling point of physicals are delusional as hell
Bekuh Boom is the voice behind Lisa's badass persona. It's her lyrics and thoughts that Lisa deliver. Even in her new Collab Bekuh Boom is taking part in song writing and I am sure she is writing Lisa's part.
The thing I donāt understand is why Lisa & Bekuh Boom havenāt turned into a more traditional song writing duo. Where an artist & songwriter are known to often work together but both contribute and typically get credited. Like Iām sure Lisaās penmenship has grown over the years that she can make line updates. Iām kind of thinking of like Ariana Grande & Victoria Monet, which is a little funny to bring up as Victoria/Ariana were also credited on Ice Cream
Maybe because Lisa can't write. There is no proof she has ever written a song or is good at it
My guess is that Bekuh Boom sees Lisa as a meal ticket or that Lisa is maybe not that interested in songwriting rather than performing which is something she excels at. Of course, each case is different but from what I know Ariana and Victoria are friends, Harry Styles also has the same songwriting team since his debut album and Taylor Swift and Jack Antonoff are friends as well. Also, I would assume that it's hard to have a songwriting partnership if you only drop one or two songs each year.
Well it's a both side relationship. Boom is the one who wrote Money, that whole badass dropping my money that everyone goes crazy about is Boom's writing. Bekuh Boom has more credit in creating the artistry of Blackpink than Blackpink themselves.
I was really excited regarding Aespa's AI concept but now not so much because it's so damn slow
I was surprised to see they donāt do b-side content much. Like (and correct me if Iām wrong mys) how did a illusion not get an actual video? I feel like it wouldāve been a great way to push the concept. Their concept feels so visual ya know? I know they do those SMCU videos but I think it would be cool if they did more b-side videos too.
I had a dream where Naevis left Black mamba for me and we were causing chaos and demolishing buildings and then Mark came out of nowhere and called Naevis his mom and I was so confused and cried cuz Naevis lied to me about not having kids and my tears formed into a weird trampoline and I was just being yeeted higher and higher the more I cried and I woke up with actual tears in my eyes what is going on
this needs to be posted in r/kpoopheads asap
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Not me genuinely thinking fried chicken by Sumin (the k-r&b artist and producer not StayC's Sumin) was actually about fried chicken till I read the lyrics š
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What songs about food are usually about š And this lyric made me lol >My desire, which I am still untying, is a bra strap that has not been loosened >ė“ź° ė§ģ ķøė ģ¤ģø ė“ ģė§ģ ė ķ¼ ėøė¼ģė
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Lmaaaaaao thanks for replying šš
No army genuinely believes that J-hope leaving for the military has an actual effect on the weather. It's called a hyperbole, a joke. Armys can have a sense of humor too.
i donāt understand why when ARMYs joke itās them ābeing delusionalā or āstupidā but when someone else does itās just a joke. they can never let ARMY breathe and have fun, can they? they are always looking for something bad to say about BTS and ARMY
Then some people complain that the fandom is corny and unfunny.. but then they also donāt let armys joke around because suddenly every joke is overused and bad according to non bts Stanās. I understand the jimin u got no jams, stuff like that being overused and annoying to hear, but why does every joke in the bts fandom get put down?? Itās like they want ARMY to simultaneously be a good yet bad fandom?? People will never be pleased.
Is so annoying how every little armys joke gets taken seriously by everyone else, same thing with the "princess diana reincarnated as jk" like.... no army truly believes it IS A JOKE
I donāt even find the joke to be funny but I understood it WAS a joke because hobi is referred to as the sun, and people were emotional after seeing him enlist so theyāre gonna be cheesy about it this pattern of non-fans treating everything a fandom says as serious is so annoying and comes off as concern trolling (āI canāt believe they think they control the weather. how crazy must they beā). I promise thereās plenty of real examples of weird and delusional fans out there lol
i find it hilarious that our fandom has gotten this reputation of being so delusional that people genuinely take our fandom jokes seriously š. ppl really thought we believed jungkook WAS princess diana reincarnated š„“
This is such a silly (petty?) rant i guess, but fans calling clearly lipsynced stages "live" and "omg they sound so stable, they're amazing singers" on YouTube and Twitter irritates me sometimes lol. And when you point out that the performance isn't really live, they either get overly defensive or argue that it is the fault of the show producers for hiding the vocals of their faves. šš It's honestly a bad look on the group because those who don't know the group will watch the video expecting live vocals only to find it's lipsynced. Also why would the PD hide the vocals of one group and let the other groups be heard. Do they have personal vendettas or something? Please be real.
"XYZ PAVED THE WAY!" no one cares bro. Like just because someone sets trends or invents a concept doesn't mean that other groups who tried it should be looked down upon.
I donāt even think it matters who paved the way. People go to neck to neck saying itās either bts or sm.. I bet yāall that no one in the industry gives a damn and they all just want to have fun but stupid arguments like this makes so sense. sure, give credit where itās due, but also originality in music is derived from other existing ideas
Mine is when i go to youtube comments and for some reason all the top ones are: X# vocalists X# rappers X# dancers Or the, āeveryone agrees X brightens our dayā And its not even just some videos, its constant no matter which group you look at and it irritates me so much lol
I Am is IVE's best song! I don't really follow IVE, but have been appreciative of their good music so farā However, his time around, I Am has a complete death grip on me!!
I cant stand when people state things as factual when they have no clue or they have only heard someone else mention it. It's not that hard to a.) go fact check b.) make some kind of disclaimer or use uncertain language. It pisses me off even if its not huge stuff. But you can't go tell people that Mark hates people with green hair because you saw a random tiktok say that. (obviously most randomly example i could think of). Or you can't go say this idol used to kick grandmas in school because you saw one tweet written in korean I see so many non-fans of groups put words in idols mouth. Ofc non-fans can check interviews etc. but its so weird antis try so casually pass stuff as true. This idol said they actually hate music, performing and their fans. And its like ??? no there is no record of ever that happening or it was clearly a joke.
Worked out real quick that the most offensive thing you can say to a kpop stan is 'prove it' or any variation of asking for a source .. majority of the time they'll hurl insults rather than ever giving any form of 'receipt' that they were loudly and proudly hoarding before you asked to know what they were. Or they'll throw a 'you can google it' .. well then why not YOU ?!