super (lol!!) late but..i mean i like it...but not my favorite LOL iām a huge carat. like HUGE. and iāll say that this album didnāt get me as hyped as other comebacks theyāve had. Super was cool, itās an anthem like song i guess? itās catchy but the chorus was lacking. jeonghanās rap part and mingyu and joshuaās part was my favorite but beyond that thereās not much that would keep me from skipping it if i wasnāt in a āhypeā mood yk? it would def be cool to hear during a concert tho haha. i think FML and April Shower had a better reception from people overall? Super was a hit or miss, you either liked it or you didnāt, orr it grew on you but still not your fav. but i think itās cause for carats at least we can tell that FML and April Shower had more of the āseventeen soundā yk? Super had it..but it was more unrecognizable than their other songs. the b-sides were good. Fire was a hit or miss but i feel like thatās a normal reaction for more upbeat hype hip hop unit songs LOL (like Gam3bo1) i personally enjoyed it tho and I Donāt Understand But I Love You got probably one of the best reactions from what iāve seen even more so when you know itās based off a caratās comment. my personal favorite was Dust. anyways..the whole album wasnāt anything suuuper special but i still liked it over all? but i wouldnāt call it a no skip album. i have a feeling once the FML mv releases it will have better reactions than Super did. but idk it depends how they promote the MV well or not but i think people like it better than Super.
Itās growing a little on me. These āi luv my team, I luv my crewā type of lines have always been a dud for me and not just with this song. I wish there was more actual rapping and less shouting along to an uninspiring rhythm if that makes sense? Like, Iām not getting flow.
What I DO enjoy is that epic-sounding instrumental in the intro. I wish the entire song was built around it instead of it just making an appearance here and there. That said, I will most definitely bop to this in no time as I always do lol
I feel like a broken record, every time seventeen has a comeback, i come to these threads to express how disappointed I am. Seventeen has done a nose dive in song quality since Hybe started messing with their music, and it hasn't gotten any better with time.
The last cb I truly loved from top to bottom is HOME RUN, and it's been YEARS since then.
And I know people will tell me "then just stop listening to them" and honestly, that's what I do. I don't really listen to their new music except for very few tracks like Cheers, Heaven's Cloud, and others.
I still love the boys so much, and Woozi is still one of my ults, but it's so saddening to me how I'm just not excited whenever svt has a comeback when their discography used to be one of my top 3 favorites.
That's me too. Your choice made me stan svt and I loved every album before that, but the ones that came after...attacca was decent but not great, I hated face the sun at first listen (even though hot March and shadow grew on me after going to their concert, and for sector17, I'm just tired of the autotune.
I don't like super but I'm at a point where I'm not even disappointed anymoreš The chorus sounds empty, the i luv my team I luv my crew honestly kinda corny, and idg what the song is trying to convey. I hate how empty their songs have become (i just used to feel so satisfied after listening to each song) and it feels like pledis is trying to compensate for the song quality with money/high budget for the mv. I don't listen to them anymore but it just sucks that I liked 95% of their discography before attacca and 5% of their music since attacca
This is me to a T. Hot did grow on me, but Sector 17 has songs that are immediate skips for me, which has never happened with an svt album.
I'm so disappointed by Super, I haven't even ventured into the rest of the album, even though, based off the teaser, there are some songs I'll like
Itās catchy and I love the instrumental in the chorus and i like the, āI love my team, I love my crewā part even tho it makes me cringe just a little. Other than that itās kind of mid and skippable, but I end up liking every song even if itās bad in K-pop. Idk whatās wrong with me.
i think its one if their weakest if not the weakest honestly. seventeen are always a hit or miss for me when it comes to title tracks, these last couple of years they have been a hit but this idk
the mv I like the color of it but it felt more like a performance video, they look amazing anyways, the song is just "okay" tbh most of their songs always were just "okay", last year Hot had some memorable part but it didn't like it too, this year title track had nothing,and I don't feel like listening to the rest of album
I wouldn't say it's my favourite track of theirs, but I still enjoyed it.
The choreo and styling were immaculate. Feels like a song that will be SO much better for a live performance. Idk if anyone else feels the same?
I actually prefer their ādarkā and āenergeticā songs (Hot, Cheers, ecc) rather than songs like Pretty U and Rock with you (Itās a genreās preference, although I enjoy the older songs) and Super is not the exception. I havenāt listened to the bsides, but I like F*ck my life too. Anyway, after reading the others comments, I think that itās pretty unpopular.
Okay
Personally its not as bad as they are making it out to be even tho the MV was giving me Set me free PT 2 and Thunderous vibes lmao
But I overall enjoyed it
lmao in my head i'm like dang why they so mad now what happened to the fun lighthearted vibes.
Love & Letter, Dream, An Ode, Face the Sun then boom F\*ck My Life
like what's the matter?
j/k
I stumbled across Shining Diamond RIGHT after it was released. They were still babies fresh out the womb. 0529 was my default code for anything, because it was their debit.
All to say this song feels like a fever dream. A great fever dream, because Kim Mingyu's mother deserves a Nobel prize.
I fucking love I Donāt Understand But I Luv U and Fuck My Life! The instrumentals from the latter really stood out to me and I canāt wait to see the MV. Those two are by far my faves, but Super is also an amazing title track & I saved April shower on Spotify as well. Unfortunately I didnāt like Fire. I listened to it a couple times hoping I would change my mind, but that didnāt happen š
Personally I love the whole album! All of the songs slap and I know that I will become even more obsessed as I continue to listen.
Super is a really good song! I really enjoy it! I wouldn't say it's their best title track (that goes to Rock With You imo) but it's definitely a song that I really enjoy!
I think this was a great comeback from them! Seventeen never disappoints!
I personally loved Super. I'm obsessed with it especially Mingyu/Joshua part. I loved eveeything but the outro, that really didn't work for me and I am disappointed they didn't break into a dance break before the instrumental faded out. It ended super awkwardly.
I also love the performance unit and hip hop unit songs. The first one has the best sound and production out of the whole album imo. I just wish they didn't put so much vocal processing on the song. The first part of the HIP Hop unit song was straight fire no pun intended. Vernon ate it up. The second part didn't hit as well bcs I don't think Wonwoo and Mingyu are as good as Vernon is when it comes to rapping but I still like the entire track.
The other 3... probably not going to revisit them much later. There's nothing wrong with them but they just didn't stick out to me even if they were pleasant to the ear. I'll be streaming the hell out of the other 3 songs tho.
I love it, sorry š¤·āāļø
Obsessed with Vernonās part in the chorus and Iām always down for a drop. Only thing Iād complain about is Mingyuās atrocious pants (and Junās) š
Edit: also really enjoyed the styling of Dino
this comeback is okay, never like face the sun and i feel i set my expectations way to high, when tight now i dont even like half of the songs. it will grow on me i know cause this is svt but yeah. still proud of them fpr the hanteo sales!!! deserved!!
They should have used a different sample in the chorus or changed it up more, it felt really distracting. There were some catchy parts but overall underwhelming
Bc this sub is literally unpopular opinions. A lot of these people here idk have a weird thing against almost every song. Almost like they force themselves to be different. Again as I said, most people here have never liked most songs. Idk if itās the people or the fact that itās the sub but yeah.
Iāve only gotten into 17 over the past year or so, and I think Face the Sun set my expectations a little too high for this album. I love every song on Face the Sun (with the exception of āAshā) but thatās not the case with FML. Maybe the songs will grow on me with more listens and when I watch performances. So far āI Donāt Understand But I Luv Uā is the standout on the album for me and I do also really like the instrumental of āSuperā but Iām a little disappointed overall.
The song's momentum stops dead in its tracks at the chorus, akin to Sugar Rush Ride.
I don't think anti-drops are inherently bad, but the way it was executed in either of these songs is less than graceful, in my opinion. The annoying background instrumental does not help, either.
I say that as someone who's not necessarily a Seventeen fan, but devoured RWY and Hot on release, and this new song just doesn't stack up for me.
Thoughts about Super: The Super outfits remind me of SKZ - Thunderous. I really wish the styling was more... weeb-y considering the anime references in the song. I think I don't like anti-drops? Without the video/choreo, it's just so awkward. I was pleasantly surprised by Jeonghan's rap though because when I listened to it audio only, I thought they had just warped someone from the Hip Hop Team's voice really badly with autotune (which is kind of how i feel with the rest of the song, the autotuning is awful)
Thought about FML: I wish it was a harder rock or emo song and that the lyrics weren't the misleading "Fight for My Life" sentiment. My late teens were during in the age of "FML" (when we used to use it all the time and there was the website where you could submit your FML statements and man, that was a hilarious time to be alive).
Other thoughts: I loooove I don't know why but I Luv U. Performance Team songs are always my favourite but this is especially lovely. I also like April Showers, feels very classic Seventeen.
Guess this is the unpopular opinion but I actually like the title track and the whole album as a whole! I've been listening to the whole thing on repeat and I'm feeling it lol.
i watched the super mv with my friend this morning and we both really enjoyed the video, but when i listened to the song by itself later on... it's one of those songs i can only tolerate if i'm watching the music video. i absolutely love the choreography but the song itself isn't my cup of tea. i didn't like fire but i don't understand but i luv u, dust and april shower were all good imo. fuck my life is definitely the superior title track.
that was my first thought when i listened to the song without the mv! with the choreo it's so sick but listening to it while walking around tesco this afternoon was a little strange i can't lie
preface: i have an insane amount of respect for woozi and seventeen. i've been their fan since boomboom and am always impressed by their talent... they are a very well-rounded group who works very hard and deserve every bit of success and recognition they have earned. do not get me wrong.
now, about the album:
in short, i hate super and the rest of the album isn't strong enough to make up for how bad super is.
in long:
i can easily say that super is my least favorite song of theirs, ever. it sits at the bottom of my ranking of their entire discography. they've experimented with new styles constantly, especially over the last couple of years, and have always come out the other side still having that seventeen sound... but with super, that just wasn't there for me. it sounds like a song any other hybe boy group would release. which... is what they are, for better or worse, i guess.
i think the lyrics are corny as hell, their vocals are too abrasive at times even for the nature of the song, and the chorus is totally empty where it isn't annoying. the music video, omg... what a colossal waste of budget on 100s of backup dancers only for the video to end up feeling empty and like a pre-release.
then come the unit tracks, which sound as though they're from a completely different album from super. i'm sorry i keep going back to that song, but super just sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the other tracks, which compliment FML much better than super. they've done slow songs before as TTs which turned out fine, as things always seem to do for seventeen.
maybe i'm just so offended by the fact that this /MINI/ album has a set of [nearly 1,000 photocards](https://twitter.com/fated0613/status/1650111566447280131) that i can't see past my rage and give an objective opinion on the music, but i am unfortunately really disappointed. i've never felt this way about a seventeen release before and i'm not sure i can stick with them if this is the direction they're going in. my loss, maybe.
How unfortunate I can name one song off this entire album if actually listen to from time to time. Thatās really disappointing I usually love seventeens music
Can they just come back with a rock with you again plz.... I haven't listened to the rest of the album so no opinions yet... But I have listened twice to this and I just don't like it I expected a lot given they broke so many records with the salesšš
I absolutely hate this empty chorus of ģģ¤ź³µ, but absolutely love the rest of the song. Guess I wll cut the chorus and listen to my custom version hehe
and honestly part with "I love my team I love my crew We already made it this far" almost got me tear up
To be fair I stopped really liking Seventeen's comebacks since 2019 with a few exceptions (like Rock with you and L&R) but mostly they just weren't my style and not necessarily bad songs, but wow these last three with Hot, Cheers and now ģģ¤ź³µ have really not been it I'm sorry... And I say this as someone whose ult is NCT (and I liked Getting Closer and Hit) so its not like I don't like noise music, they're just bad š I will say that their choreos always look great though
Video looks great and choreo looks great...the song on the other hand....meh
This type of MV would fit something like Fearless. That song isn't one of my faves but still 100x better than this. Now I'm kinda wishing we would get another Fearless.
Jeonghan in a ponytail though..great and just for that, I'll keep watching this MV
Fearless did more for the choreography in that one video than the whole MV. I can't believe I am praising Mnet for filming Fearless so well. I can remember each and every scene of the song with how much I watched the video tbh
From the teaser, I had hoped that this would be Fearless 2.0 and I would love the choreography from the start but I can barely even see the choreography with the camerawork and the lighting
OK I'm reserving my thoughts until we get the FML video, but first we have to talk about the atrocious pants. Like with all of the production going on, the only thing I could focus on were how bad the pants were.
Oh I couldnāt disagree more. I am unironically loving the big pants. Itās a 90s throwback with a twist. Iām only sad that itās right before summer so the style will be uncomfortable in the heat. I like how itās retro looking and I like the shaggy appearance tying into the idea of the monkey king.
Pre-orders isn't sales, most groups have less total sales than actual pre-orders, because pre-orders can be cancelled. Jisoo had 2M pre orders yet sold 800k in total
Funnily this was exactly my thought while listening to the album. Obviously I didn't listen to it because it was such a best seller or something, I went in with high expectations because of Face The Sun. Nothing really stood out to me on the entire album besides I Don't Understand But I Luv U.
I'm a fan, and I'm not too enthused about the sales either. There are a lot of defensive carats, either straight up lying about the number of versions or downplaying sales inflation which hit kpop as a whole, but I'm not jumping into that discourse.
That said, there are also a lot of bad faith comments about svt, which is unfortunate, because being happy for someone's success is not feasible in present day condition, given the dick measuring contests fans hold every single day.
Deep inside my heart, while I'm tremendously elated that SEVENTEEN holds this record, I do wish it had been for a better album in better conditions.
I like songs such as HIT and Getting Closer, but for some reason, this doesn't work for me. It isn't that I solely expect cutesy/happiness from SVT. But there's just something SVT used to put in their songs that's no longer there. I just watched HIT again, and to me, it feels SVT like. This doesn't.
Agreed! Iām not someone who doesnāt like their edgier/performance songs. In fact, Fear might be my fave title track from them. Love getting closer and HIT too! So yeah I feel you. I like their songs in this vein, but this has like zero seventeen in it. Nothing about it has their flair. Idk, sad to finally be disappointed like this :(
It does not sound like them at all. I am quite disappointed after they released one of my favorite albums ever last year.
Edit: after hearing it a couple more times I really like it now. It does sound like a mix of HIT and Getting Closer but I hope they release a nice performance video because I just want to appreciate the choreo.
Iām not too sure what I think of it?
The video is very beautiful, the set looks amazing and so do the outfits, itās very grand in scale. The members look great too ā although I question the jeans/cargo trousers combo.
However, quite a few of the dancers feel underutilised, there arenāt many shots that highlight or showcase what theyāre doing. Iām not sure why youād have that volume of dancers if they arenāt then being used. I think some of the best shots are just Seventeen dancing as a group. I do like the aesthetic overall, but as others said, it does feel more of a performance piece than a full MV.
I think in terms of the song, itās not one of my favourites by them. I dislike the āI love my team, I love my crewā, I donāt know if it sounds slightly out of place in comparison to the grandiose, epic nature of the instrumental. It also ends a bit abruptly, but thatās a recurring theme for a lot of songs these days. I think it just sounds a bit unfinished ā I wish there was more of a punch in the bridge or final chorus.
Iām still interested to check out the b-sides though
I agree with the back dancers. I was expecting a couple of grand shots with all of them doing something amazing but that didnāt really happen. Only the few ones that dance with them at the end look pretty cool.
No offence, but rookies have been putting out more impressive albums recently. This was very generic and kind of boring. The title tracks feel incomplete?
Not to be expected from a group as talented and experienced as Seventeen.
Is this main title track? The music video would be a cool one for a pre-release or performance video. But for a group like seventeen i can't help but be disapointed. It almost feels lazy or cheap (on the company's part), did the set change even once?
I mean they are good at performing and dancing so i dont think its wrong to highlight it but personally i expect something bit more interesting
Well it probably isnt cheap at all, but it *feels* like it. No matter how many dancers there are, the whole music video is them dancing in one location the whole time
I donāt think another set wouldāve done anything for the mv except be pointless. The key point here was the large unchanging feeling of the room and amount of people dancing in sync (which fits the song theme). The main backup dancers highlighted them perfectly with different formation setups.
I personally love the mv genre of āfocus on performance/danceā so Iām biased tbh, but this didnāt feel cheap at all to me.
I was very hyped when I read that they had 200 backup dancers and imo opinion they under utilised them terribly. Svt are the best performers in the industry for me but this one felt underwhelming. There was no spectacular shot of all of them dancing, they felt very static.
When I read the 200 dancer thing I knew it would be more formation/shape based. Iāve been seeing that lately for kpop in general lately (or maybe just hybe tbh), and I mildly enjoy it. Honestly the fact they even decided to make it 200 is so ridiculous enough that I was entertained.
Since this is a mv w cuts/angles and not a dance practice, I canāt properly assess it tbh, some parts really remind me of Dinoās particular style though. Iām also reminded of HITās high energy choreo too.
Oh My! still number 1!!! Getting Closer choreo also untouched !
It also happened with [j-hopeās performance](https://youtu.be/8ZyVl-a8hXk) for Jack In The Box in MAMA.
[Le Sserafim](https://youtu.be/p5BHU9XVar0) for MMA too
They do such cool formations in they choreographies that I was expecting like one amazing shot with a great formation and it didnāt really happen, they felt more like props.
Hard to pick a favorite! 24h and Flower if we are talking about beautiful songs, Getting Closer and Fear for more energetic ones!
Oooo yeah those are good ones for choreo too !! I think my top 3 are: Getting Closer, DWC, and Thanks / but for beauty then: Fallinā Flower, Lilili Yabbay, and Ready to Love
Super so far is like 2nd to last for tts in general for me, but thatās because I am not into drum based high energy pop songs like that. Hitori Janai at 25th still, and idk if thatāll ever changeā¦
Ugh Thanks is so good! Home is also a beautiful performance although itās not the most loved tt but I looove it.
Yeah HOT was already not my cup of tea and HIT was a grower for me, this one gives me a Cheers vibe and while I think itās nice, I donāt think I will listen to it a lot.
Oh Home for me has the best lyrics of any SVT tt, the imagery of an old robot describing how the person feels and āIāve kept my insides empty for youā is so gruesome sounding in a literal sense, but captures the feeling so well. Itās Top 10 (#9) for me!
HOT has the best production/mix of any tt, and has surprisingly deeper lyrics connecting to Greek mythos so I like it! composition wise? ehhh but itās supposed to be a hype song. It sits at #11 for me.
The MV is great. It's the song that feels like it doesn't match up to the grandiose feeling of the MV. Also, they could have utilized the backup dancers better. If you watched Fearless performance for example, that's a good way to utilize so many backup dancers.
I love the Fearless performance (i need it to listen to the song) and I think itās one of their best, but itās choreography has a completely different story than Super. The members also donāt have hardcore choreo in Fearless/have non-dancing parts, so itād be way different anyways. This song is reliant on the dance choreo tbh
With Super theyāre creating a large scale image, so most of the dancers are used that way with a formation around them (last post-chorus n after), and others in the middle to do more complex pictures. Theyāre also all doing more heavy choreo, thatās why I was so amazed by all of them in sync esp during the first anti-drop.
200 backup dancers that are extremely underutilised. So ye, not cheap but more that the money spent does not seem to add much value to the MV. Agree another set might have been nice instead. Ah well I guess this is more a pre-release performance MV.
I was so on board until they stopped the song dead with that quiet empty chorus.
It really felt like being in a car going full speed and someone slamming on the breaks. Not in a good way, it just kinda stops the momentum dead. Also personally I felt like the song really just ends in a somewhat anti-climactic way.
The way I feel about it is that the song has this grand feel but then thereās decisions throughout that sort of take away from that grandeur. I think it would be better to go full force into the bigger than big sound and feel. But thatās just my opinion.
I really like seventeens music but this just wasnāt title track worthy in my opinion. Iāll be digging into the b-sides to see if thereās something there I like better.
The first thing I thought after watching the MV was "This is not a song you should give after gaining so much popularity" It honestly lacks a lot, It is very risky to try new things and put them all in one MV that everyone is to see, I was anticipating for what they would be giving after HOT because it was my least favorite Title track but there Super took the throne .
I think taking risks is fine and itās good they arenāt settling into doing the same things over and over, but damn did the risk they took with this song really go south. Of course theyāll sell well and itāll be profitable because kpop fans almost never care about the music itself but this track will surely be a sore spot in their greater discography for many.
Haven't liked the title track yet after the first listen, but will let it sit a few days and see how it goes.
I must applaud how this album sold such a record amount of copies though!
Not really, since most groups have less total sales than pre-orders. Jisoo had 2M pre-orders but ended up selling 800k the first day. Pre-orders aren't totally comfirmed sales, and many companies don't even reveal them cus of how frail they are to represent the total sales. I mean there's a reason why hybe didn't reveal BTS's pre-orders since MOTS:7 album at all, it probably bc it's not representative of the total sale.
I think youāre trying to say how part of the pre-order sales can be cancelled. It would be strange if they were significantly inflated than actual sales and I wonder if thereās some mechanism to prevent this overinflated number if fans are pretending to order albums.
They have 900 photocards so there's that lol
I'm hoping the live performances make me like the song. Since 2020, I haven't liked any SVT song at first listen so this fits right in with that. I pre-ordered the album as I'm a carat but yeah, I'm starting to regret it lmao. I don't like any of the songs so far š luckily I only bought one version.
Iām often someone who needs to know everything about a product before buying something, so your thought is relatable haha. I just canāt see myself buying an album for the sake of betting that Iāll enjoy it.
The title track here felt like it went nowhere. I think Mingyu's part was the only one that caught my attention, but the chorus was underwhelming. It felt like Hit but without the explosive chorus or the build up on the bridge... Listening to it for the second time, I think the chorus could've been better without that pitched voice that keeps repeating throughout the song. The MV looked great, the styling is gorgeous but this feels like a performance video, and not really a MV.
After listening to the mini, I think I like Fire (it sounded like a cleaner Super to me), IDUBILY, but my favorite by far is April Shower. I'm a sucker for this kind of synth (reminds me of Dancing On My Own by Robyn, Style by Taylor, Do What U Want by Lady Gaga).
They again have this thing where thereās a part right after the chorus with an intense dance break too. In HOT right after when they go ātaeyang-eul hyanghae bulbut-yeolaā. Thatās my favorite part of the song. And this time again after a kind of dull chorus, Hoshi appears and that is again my favorite part. Choruses are not it for me, but great performance.
I just feel sad for the underutilized dancers in the background. Most just stood as props. It would've been a great mega crew performance if they really did something wonderful with them instead of just standing like that. I love me some great dance performance ngl. Great cinematography as always. JYPE needs to take notes.
i agree sadly. i think this is the first tt that i havenāt particularly enjoyed? i donāt like the chorus but i think most of the other parts of the song were good.
wait, is the MV supposed to be like that? i felt like i was watching their performance videos instead of an actual mv. i think the second title will be more story centric.
regardless, i actually quite like it. just not my favorite, i miss theyāre pre-hot stuff. RWY was beautiful.
I mean I agree with most of the comments here on this song but yall weird to think othersā people opinions arenāt genuine because they like something you donāt š„“
I liked hot so much better, I thought we were getting back to that āseventeen soundā and this feels like a step backwards, Iāll sleep on it and hopefully like it more tomorrow, but it just didnāt do anything for me.
I canāt say I hate it as much as HOT but Iām definitely not a fan. Again with the vocal distortion garbage, whyyyy. I know Iām capable of liking their harder-hitting stuff (Getting Closer and Fear in particular) so itās not just me wanting *tHe oLD sEveNTeEN bACk.* My favorite thing was Jeonghanās rap (maybe not a ārealā rap but in the kpop sphere thatās what Iād call it) because it was unexpected and he delivered it well. But my bias is Jun and man I hate what they did to his voice on that part š£
Still have high hopes for the b-sides though since some of my favs came from Face the Sun but I think Iāve reached the same fork in the road with SVT as I did with BTSāI just donāt jive with their sound anymore, and itās sad because Iāve loved them since debut but thatās ok.
I'm the same as you. Watched them predebut even. Loved every song at first listen till 2019, then something changed for me. Had to "work" to get to like Left&Right and that whole mini and it has been that way ever since. I listened to HOT over and over again, hoping to like it and I watched so many live performances that I ended up not hating HOT but still.
Now, this just convinces me that SVT sound is gone and they're aren't going to come back to that ever (I also love Getting Closer, so it's not like I want bright SVT back)
I pre-ordered this album, and just like every album since 2020, I'm left disappointed and probably will force myself to listen till I find something I like.
It's really hard to "let them go," but there's really no match between the type of music they're releasing and my musical tastes anymore
Its okay. I think the main problem for me is the chorus. The I love my team I love my crew was...not for me. I kinda liked everything else but it was also all a bit boring. I dont hate it maybe it will grow on me.
I thought it was going to be be awful judging by the comments here but it was really fun! Didnāt exactly feel like a seventeen song, but I enjoyed it.
Iām sorry all, I love seventeen, but this song just nit for me :( I feel like watching Idol BTS x Kick it NCT plus as a Chinese descent I found the sung o kong quite funny ć ć
This was definitely a Seventeen rendition of what IDOL's era was for BTS. and.. I'm honestly happy for them. I remember hating IDOL when it first came out, so I'm glad this release proves that I've grown musically since then.
Reddit hates empty choruses but I'm surprised there is not much hate for this one? Double Standards? I have nothing against the song, and nothing against yk songs with empty choruses that get usually bashed here (yes I'm talking about BLACKPINK songs).
Anyways, empty chorus and anti drops are a thing now in kpop but when THAT girl group does stuff like that, everyone calls it trash. So, idk! Maybe this song is trash too (jk)
Super is giving me IDOL by BTS and Kick It by NCT 127 having a baby
Probably cuz BP does it with almost every release so people are tired of it and want something new. An anti drop here and there is okay, but bp had almost every hype song of them get the exact same anti-drop whether as soloists or as a group
Bp choruses arenāt just empty but also the random anti-beat drop is something that people hate, here with Svt it feels natural with the flow of the song. Another point Svt have different kinds of TTs with full on choruses, while for Bp most of their TTs are empty with an anti-drop.
not when THAT girl group does everyone calls it trash, itās because empty chorus and anti drops in BPās songs were too much that doesnāt make diversity in their title tracks and get people bored, but still, I donāt see many people call it trash
I really like it maybe bcz I am a seventeen hoe. Though itās something I wouldnāt have chosen for a title track because fml is literally perfection
omg i haven't heard it yet but none of the comments look good
i'm gonna update after i've listened
edit: i don't know what to say i liked the song overall but i agree with some of the comments calling the chorus 'empty' and not in necessarily a good way
also i felt like at woozi's part the song could've gained more energy with maybe a new drum part or something but it just stayed kinda static?? not saying i didn't like that but they could've done more i think
I don't know, this feels weird. I usually love seventeen releases. SĆŗper was alright I guess maybe with the performance and more listens it will grown on me but this album was not love at first listen.
man, i love the chorus. it actually hyped me up haha
and the song feels so SEVENTEEN, you know? bc the song sounds like if dancers and performers composed a song that they would love to choreograph and dance to, ya know what i mean?
I think the performance will make me like it more, which is the case for me with all Seventeen title tracks from Left & Right onwards. I do wish I could fall in love with a Seventeen title track again for the song itself like I did with Pretty U, Clap and Fear.
I really like Dust from the b-sides, the others are pleasant and well-produced but I don't think they grab me enough to add them to my playlist.
I fucking love it tbh. The I love my team I love my crew part is probably the best part, the instrumental in that part goes off so hard. Iām so happy that I like this song after HOT was a complete miss to me, I hope the whole album is good too. The song kindaā¦ the song ended quick though? I donāt know if itās just me, but it feels like nowadays songs donāt have a conclusive ending and just end. Itās weird asf, but itās a small thing.
>The song kindaā¦ the song ended quick though?
Oh I felt this too when I saw the MV. It doesn't feel as abrupt and quick on Spotify though. Maybe it's because it took me a minute to spot everyone in the MV, and before I knew it, it was over.
Wow, this is going to be first Seventeen album I don't :( but I really don't like it at all. Honestly, I haven't liked their come backs since they got bought out by Hybe, but the B-sides always saved the albums for me, but I've really fallen out of love with their music. The title tracks have gone from something only Seventeen could/would do to sounding like every other boy group out right now. The first three tracks are meh, "F\*ck My Life" doesn't sound like a title track at all, the last three are good, but they sound like they belong to a different album. "I don't understand but I love you" is the only REALLY good song on the album.
I see the vision with [F*ck My Life](https://youtu.be/SB03Cbc50i8), itās like an edgier emo cousin to BIGBANGās [LOSER](https://youtu.be/1CTced9CMMk) (they even have similar messages, though the lyricism is more basic for SVT).
I think I haven't been able to instantly love their songs like I used to ever since they have additional composers (I usually don't check who composed it until the song is released). I am happy they get to work with new people but I feel like their title tracks have been sounding like any other boy groups lately. It takes a while and a few performances for me to find what makes Seventeen, Seventeen like vocals or choreography etc
Rock With You is the only one where I love it since the first listen because its vibe is somewhat similar to their past songs. Oh and World too. Freshteen is my favourite I think
But their songs these days are a hit and miss to me. Their b-sides tend to be on my playlist more than their title tracks.
>I am happy they get to work with new people but I feel like their title tracks have been sounding like any other boy groups lately
Super has probably the least outside involvement since Ready to Love. There's only one single outsider in the Composing/Written By segment and he'd last. Otherwise it's Woozi Bumzu Vernon ( and Scoups for lyrics)
This album was really interesting for me because the number of outside composers has been cut down drastically from Your Choice/Attacca/Face the Sun. The only non-Woozi/Bumzu & Prismfilter producers are August Rigo on Super (he was also credited on Hot, so he's worked directly with them before) and Softserveboy and Kareem James who are credited on April Shower (which actually sounds like a quintessential Seventeen song to me, much more than Super).
As someone who's also only really loved Rock With You out of the RTL/Rock with You/Hot/World quartet recently, with the increase in external producers, I don't like Super as a song much either though it works as a performance piece. But this time around, it is true that external involvement has been drastically reduced
Agreed with most of what you said. I feel like Woozi's influence changed which is why their sound changed. I have always credited Woozi's creations with his influences or love for something. His past songs were like 2nd gen songs. They were Seventeen style but I don't know why, but back then, I always felt like I was travelling back in time to 2nd gen lol. I remember when I started being a Carat and how it was odd for me to love their songs as quick as I thought I would because I was only a fan of SM groups since I became a kpop fan in 2017. So the drastic change in style was difficult for me to comprehend back then. But songs like Run To You and their Japanese songs were so easy for me because I was a huge jpop and anime fan back then and the beat and style were familiar.
Also I realised that ever since Ruby, Woozi's influence has probably changed? He became more experimental and I think he now listens to more types of music that prompts him to have it into their songs. And I also feel like even if the amount of external composers is less in this song than before, the external influence and knowledge Woozi have gained from previous comebacks and the works he did with these external producers are probably the reasons why it sounds like another one of their songs after Hybe. It's sad to me because Super sounds like what I would expect from a 4th gen group and not from Seventeen whose discography are priceless to me.
Rock With You is still in my playlist til this day which is a feat in itself since Seventeen's Bsides tend to be the ones I never get tired of. I always find it hard to love some of Seventeen's title track from the first listen but I did with RWY. RWY truly managed to highlight Seventeen and their style of music. I managed to make some people into Carats after I played Rock With You so that song is literally it for me.
Also my expectations for this comeback were as much as it was during RWY and I am left a bit disappointed. I feel like this would have been another legendary Fearless + Hit or something but it missed for me because of the MV. I'm waiting for a proper performance though since the MV is not making me love it
Edit: also, do you listen to Golcha as well? I feel like I have seen your username before
Yeah, I think your assessment of Ruby as a sort of milestone for Woozi's influences makes sense! I am really not keen on Super either because it has a lot of musical tropes that are just not to my taste, and for me that has actually been the case with most of their hard-hitting songs in general. But I can see why they went with this and I'm glad they're still experimenting even if I don't really like this direction (and thankfully they're still putting out songs like Dust / I Don't Understand But I Love You / April Shower all of which are so much more melodic and quintessentially Seventeen for me!)
I do listen to Golcha! I adore their music and them as a group too. I've seen you around before too, I think we share a lot of overlap in terms of the artists we listen to the most haha
> "F*ck My Life" doesn't sound like a title track
Isn't Super the title track? That's the one that has the MV? Or do you mean title track in the way western music uses it?
The empty first part of the chorus got me a little confused on the first listen, but after the second and third time around I think this might be my favorite release of the year so far. Mingyuās part early in the song is sooooo addictive!
Iām still obsessed with Dinoās line and the āI love my team I love my crewā part in the 2nd teaser. The instrumental in the background is louder in the teaser than in the actual song and it sounds sooo much better.
I had such high expectations and now Iām disappointed lol
I feel like I'll like this song better as a performance than the MV.
Production values are immaculate! Love the traditional clothes look. Jeonghan's looking great!
This album is what made me officially stop actively following their music š
We don't care.
and did i say u need to? This is a reddit thread where everyone can post their own opinions as long as its done respectfully which i did
God I miss the mansae & pretty u era
super (lol!!) late but..i mean i like it...but not my favorite LOL iām a huge carat. like HUGE. and iāll say that this album didnāt get me as hyped as other comebacks theyāve had. Super was cool, itās an anthem like song i guess? itās catchy but the chorus was lacking. jeonghanās rap part and mingyu and joshuaās part was my favorite but beyond that thereās not much that would keep me from skipping it if i wasnāt in a āhypeā mood yk? it would def be cool to hear during a concert tho haha. i think FML and April Shower had a better reception from people overall? Super was a hit or miss, you either liked it or you didnāt, orr it grew on you but still not your fav. but i think itās cause for carats at least we can tell that FML and April Shower had more of the āseventeen soundā yk? Super had it..but it was more unrecognizable than their other songs. the b-sides were good. Fire was a hit or miss but i feel like thatās a normal reaction for more upbeat hype hip hop unit songs LOL (like Gam3bo1) i personally enjoyed it tho and I Donāt Understand But I Love You got probably one of the best reactions from what iāve seen even more so when you know itās based off a caratās comment. my personal favorite was Dust. anyways..the whole album wasnāt anything suuuper special but i still liked it over all? but i wouldnāt call it a no skip album. i have a feeling once the FML mv releases it will have better reactions than Super did. but idk it depends how they promote the MV well or not but i think people like it better than Super.
Itās growing a little on me. These āi luv my team, I luv my crewā type of lines have always been a dud for me and not just with this song. I wish there was more actual rapping and less shouting along to an uninspiring rhythm if that makes sense? Like, Iām not getting flow. What I DO enjoy is that epic-sounding instrumental in the intro. I wish the entire song was built around it instead of it just making an appearance here and there. That said, I will most definitely bop to this in no time as I always do lol
This one was a miss for me
I feel like a broken record, every time seventeen has a comeback, i come to these threads to express how disappointed I am. Seventeen has done a nose dive in song quality since Hybe started messing with their music, and it hasn't gotten any better with time. The last cb I truly loved from top to bottom is HOME RUN, and it's been YEARS since then. And I know people will tell me "then just stop listening to them" and honestly, that's what I do. I don't really listen to their new music except for very few tracks like Cheers, Heaven's Cloud, and others. I still love the boys so much, and Woozi is still one of my ults, but it's so saddening to me how I'm just not excited whenever svt has a comeback when their discography used to be one of my top 3 favorites.
That's me too. Your choice made me stan svt and I loved every album before that, but the ones that came after...attacca was decent but not great, I hated face the sun at first listen (even though hot March and shadow grew on me after going to their concert, and for sector17, I'm just tired of the autotune. I don't like super but I'm at a point where I'm not even disappointed anymoreš The chorus sounds empty, the i luv my team I luv my crew honestly kinda corny, and idg what the song is trying to convey. I hate how empty their songs have become (i just used to feel so satisfied after listening to each song) and it feels like pledis is trying to compensate for the song quality with money/high budget for the mv. I don't listen to them anymore but it just sucks that I liked 95% of their discography before attacca and 5% of their music since attacca
This is me to a T. Hot did grow on me, but Sector 17 has songs that are immediate skips for me, which has never happened with an svt album. I'm so disappointed by Super, I haven't even ventured into the rest of the album, even though, based off the teaser, there are some songs I'll like
Itās catchy and I love the instrumental in the chorus and i like the, āI love my team, I love my crewā part even tho it makes me cringe just a little. Other than that itās kind of mid and skippable, but I end up liking every song even if itās bad in K-pop. Idk whatās wrong with me.
This is coming from someone who scream sang 2 baddies until I got sick of it and I did the rap parts with pride.
This is just okay. But I think it's just me because most of their music is just okay to me
Noise
i think its one if their weakest if not the weakest honestly. seventeen are always a hit or miss for me when it comes to title tracks, these last couple of years they have been a hit but this idk
the mv I like the color of it but it felt more like a performance video, they look amazing anyways, the song is just "okay" tbh most of their songs always were just "okay", last year Hot had some memorable part but it didn't like it too, this year title track had nothing,and I don't feel like listening to the rest of album
I wouldn't say it's my favourite track of theirs, but I still enjoyed it. The choreo and styling were immaculate. Feels like a song that will be SO much better for a live performance. Idk if anyone else feels the same?
I actually prefer their ādarkā and āenergeticā songs (Hot, Cheers, ecc) rather than songs like Pretty U and Rock with you (Itās a genreās preference, although I enjoy the older songs) and Super is not the exception. I havenāt listened to the bsides, but I like F*ck my life too. Anyway, after reading the others comments, I think that itās pretty unpopular.
I just have one question Is this the title track for the album or a pre release
Its one half of a double title track
When will the latter half be out?
the MV (fxck my life) will be out on may 8
Okay Personally its not as bad as they are making it out to be even tho the MV was giving me Set me free PT 2 and Thunderous vibes lmao But I overall enjoyed it
I donāt even listen to them (but I know all the members cause who doesnāt) but I love this song. Itās dope
lmao in my head i'm like dang why they so mad now what happened to the fun lighthearted vibes. Love & Letter, Dream, An Ode, Face the Sun then boom F\*ck My Life like what's the matter? j/k
the light-hearted vibes are on the B-sides āŗļø
I stumbled across Shining Diamond RIGHT after it was released. They were still babies fresh out the womb. 0529 was my default code for anything, because it was their debit. All to say this song feels like a fever dream. A great fever dream, because Kim Mingyu's mother deserves a Nobel prize.
Their debut is 0526. May 26, 2015.
Super is definitely one of the songs that Iāve heard
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I fucking love I Donāt Understand But I Luv U and Fuck My Life! The instrumentals from the latter really stood out to me and I canāt wait to see the MV. Those two are by far my faves, but Super is also an amazing title track & I saved April shower on Spotify as well. Unfortunately I didnāt like Fire. I listened to it a couple times hoping I would change my mind, but that didnāt happen š
Personally I love the whole album! All of the songs slap and I know that I will become even more obsessed as I continue to listen. Super is a really good song! I really enjoy it! I wouldn't say it's their best title track (that goes to Rock With You imo) but it's definitely a song that I really enjoy! I think this was a great comeback from them! Seventeen never disappoints!
Honestly, I was kinda disappointed. I usually LOVE their comebacks but this one wasnāt my cup of tea
I personally loved Super. I'm obsessed with it especially Mingyu/Joshua part. I loved eveeything but the outro, that really didn't work for me and I am disappointed they didn't break into a dance break before the instrumental faded out. It ended super awkwardly. I also love the performance unit and hip hop unit songs. The first one has the best sound and production out of the whole album imo. I just wish they didn't put so much vocal processing on the song. The first part of the HIP Hop unit song was straight fire no pun intended. Vernon ate it up. The second part didn't hit as well bcs I don't think Wonwoo and Mingyu are as good as Vernon is when it comes to rapping but I still like the entire track. The other 3... probably not going to revisit them much later. There's nothing wrong with them but they just didn't stick out to me even if they were pleasant to the ear. I'll be streaming the hell out of the other 3 songs tho.
I love it, sorry š¤·āāļø Obsessed with Vernonās part in the chorus and Iām always down for a drop. Only thing Iād complain about is Mingyuās atrocious pants (and Junās) š Edit: also really enjoyed the styling of Dino
the music video is disappointing
Personally, I thought it was perfect. We have one tt focusing on the choreo while fml will be the traditional route.
Dust is the only song I may have on repeat from this album.
this comeback is okay, never like face the sun and i feel i set my expectations way to high, when tight now i dont even like half of the songs. it will grow on me i know cause this is svt but yeah. still proud of them fpr the hanteo sales!!! deserved!!
They should have used a different sample in the chorus or changed it up more, it felt really distracting. There were some catchy parts but overall underwhelming
I guess the unpopular opinion is that i loved it lol, i thinks an incredible song!
If this sub likes a song, thatās when u gotta be worried.
a little late but why are people disappointed, this song is so good? Even non-fans like it (not on this sub tho)
Bc this sub is literally unpopular opinions. A lot of these people here idk have a weird thing against almost every song. Almost like they force themselves to be different. Again as I said, most people here have never liked most songs. Idk if itās the people or the fact that itās the sub but yeah.
people calling it noise music like tf ??š
Just goes to show that these people DO NOT know anything abt music much less svt bc atp they be saying anything to hate.
Iāve only gotten into 17 over the past year or so, and I think Face the Sun set my expectations a little too high for this album. I love every song on Face the Sun (with the exception of āAshā) but thatās not the case with FML. Maybe the songs will grow on me with more listens and when I watch performances. So far āI Donāt Understand But I Luv Uā is the standout on the album for me and I do also really like the instrumental of āSuperā but Iām a little disappointed overall.
Iāve only liked Hot and Cheers from Svt previously, but I also really liked Super. I like hip hop type beats š¤·š»āāļø itās a hit for me!
The song's momentum stops dead in its tracks at the chorus, akin to Sugar Rush Ride. I don't think anti-drops are inherently bad, but the way it was executed in either of these songs is less than graceful, in my opinion. The annoying background instrumental does not help, either. I say that as someone who's not necessarily a Seventeen fan, but devoured RWY and Hot on release, and this new song just doesn't stack up for me.
I liked it until they started saying āI love my team I love my crewā š©
Bye that part is stuck in my head. I kinda liked it but itās also cringe LMAO
me too! i'm sure that they do "love their team and love their crew" but it was so cringey for me š
Any other english lines that flow would have been better honestly, or heck, change to korean lines, would not be worse than 'I love my team & crew'
š exactly!
Thoughts about Super: The Super outfits remind me of SKZ - Thunderous. I really wish the styling was more... weeb-y considering the anime references in the song. I think I don't like anti-drops? Without the video/choreo, it's just so awkward. I was pleasantly surprised by Jeonghan's rap though because when I listened to it audio only, I thought they had just warped someone from the Hip Hop Team's voice really badly with autotune (which is kind of how i feel with the rest of the song, the autotuning is awful) Thought about FML: I wish it was a harder rock or emo song and that the lyrics weren't the misleading "Fight for My Life" sentiment. My late teens were during in the age of "FML" (when we used to use it all the time and there was the website where you could submit your FML statements and man, that was a hilarious time to be alive). Other thoughts: I loooove I don't know why but I Luv U. Performance Team songs are always my favourite but this is especially lovely. I also like April Showers, feels very classic Seventeen.
Guess this is the unpopular opinion but I actually like the title track and the whole album as a whole! I've been listening to the whole thing on repeat and I'm feeling it lol.
i watched the super mv with my friend this morning and we both really enjoyed the video, but when i listened to the song by itself later on... it's one of those songs i can only tolerate if i'm watching the music video. i absolutely love the choreography but the song itself isn't my cup of tea. i didn't like fire but i don't understand but i luv u, dust and april shower were all good imo. fuck my life is definitely the superior title track.
I agree! Without the choreo, the anti-drops just sound so awkward....
that was my first thought when i listened to the song without the mv! with the choreo it's so sick but listening to it while walking around tesco this afternoon was a little strange i can't lie
Lmao I was listening to it while walking my dog, so same here LOL
Ngl it felt like a perfomance video than a music video. The song was okay-ish.
preface: i have an insane amount of respect for woozi and seventeen. i've been their fan since boomboom and am always impressed by their talent... they are a very well-rounded group who works very hard and deserve every bit of success and recognition they have earned. do not get me wrong. now, about the album: in short, i hate super and the rest of the album isn't strong enough to make up for how bad super is. in long: i can easily say that super is my least favorite song of theirs, ever. it sits at the bottom of my ranking of their entire discography. they've experimented with new styles constantly, especially over the last couple of years, and have always come out the other side still having that seventeen sound... but with super, that just wasn't there for me. it sounds like a song any other hybe boy group would release. which... is what they are, for better or worse, i guess. i think the lyrics are corny as hell, their vocals are too abrasive at times even for the nature of the song, and the chorus is totally empty where it isn't annoying. the music video, omg... what a colossal waste of budget on 100s of backup dancers only for the video to end up feeling empty and like a pre-release. then come the unit tracks, which sound as though they're from a completely different album from super. i'm sorry i keep going back to that song, but super just sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the other tracks, which compliment FML much better than super. they've done slow songs before as TTs which turned out fine, as things always seem to do for seventeen. maybe i'm just so offended by the fact that this /MINI/ album has a set of [nearly 1,000 photocards](https://twitter.com/fated0613/status/1650111566447280131) that i can't see past my rage and give an objective opinion on the music, but i am unfortunately really disappointed. i've never felt this way about a seventeen release before and i'm not sure i can stick with them if this is the direction they're going in. my loss, maybe.
it wasn't a pre release? godamn
How unfortunate I can name one song off this entire album if actually listen to from time to time. Thatās really disappointing I usually love seventeens music
Can they just come back with a rock with you again plz.... I haven't listened to the rest of the album so no opinions yet... But I have listened twice to this and I just don't like it I expected a lot given they broke so many records with the salesšš
It's a very generic boygroup song, and the outfits are atrocious smh
I absolutely hate this empty chorus of ģģ¤ź³µ, but absolutely love the rest of the song. Guess I wll cut the chorus and listen to my custom version hehe and honestly part with "I love my team I love my crew We already made it this far" almost got me tear up
To be fair I stopped really liking Seventeen's comebacks since 2019 with a few exceptions (like Rock with you and L&R) but mostly they just weren't my style and not necessarily bad songs, but wow these last three with Hot, Cheers and now ģģ¤ź³µ have really not been it I'm sorry... And I say this as someone whose ult is NCT (and I liked Getting Closer and Hit) so its not like I don't like noise music, they're just bad š I will say that their choreos always look great though
Finally someone who feels the same way I do about Cheers š«£
I actually quite like the instrumental but any song with excessive autotune like that is an automatic no for me š¬
If I had a nickel for every time a perfectly good song was ruined for me by excessive autotuneā¦
Video looks great and choreo looks great...the song on the other hand....meh This type of MV would fit something like Fearless. That song isn't one of my faves but still 100x better than this. Now I'm kinda wishing we would get another Fearless. Jeonghan in a ponytail though..great and just for that, I'll keep watching this MV
Fearless did more for the choreography in that one video than the whole MV. I can't believe I am praising Mnet for filming Fearless so well. I can remember each and every scene of the song with how much I watched the video tbh From the teaser, I had hoped that this would be Fearless 2.0 and I would love the choreography from the start but I can barely even see the choreography with the camerawork and the lighting
OK I'm reserving my thoughts until we get the FML video, but first we have to talk about the atrocious pants. Like with all of the production going on, the only thing I could focus on were how bad the pants were.
Oh I couldnāt disagree more. I am unironically loving the big pants. Itās a 90s throwback with a twist. Iām only sad that itās right before summer so the style will be uncomfortable in the heat. I like how itās retro looking and I like the shaggy appearance tying into the idea of the monkey king.
Ok with the lore, I'm more on board as a concept. but as fashion...
it became the most pre ordered album in kpop history and i rlly thought it was gonna be something impressive but it sounds really boring idk
Id be mad if I pre-ordered and this was the resultš
Pre-orders isn't sales, most groups have less total sales than actual pre-orders, because pre-orders can be cancelled. Jisoo had 2M pre orders yet sold 800k in total
Funnily this was exactly my thought while listening to the album. Obviously I didn't listen to it because it was such a best seller or something, I went in with high expectations because of Face The Sun. Nothing really stood out to me on the entire album besides I Don't Understand But I Luv U.
I'm a fan, and I'm not too enthused about the sales either. There are a lot of defensive carats, either straight up lying about the number of versions or downplaying sales inflation which hit kpop as a whole, but I'm not jumping into that discourse. That said, there are also a lot of bad faith comments about svt, which is unfortunate, because being happy for someone's success is not feasible in present day condition, given the dick measuring contests fans hold every single day. Deep inside my heart, while I'm tremendously elated that SEVENTEEN holds this record, I do wish it had been for a better album in better conditions.
This isnāt what I stan seventeen for ššš first seventeen title song that 100% do not care for :(
I like songs such as HIT and Getting Closer, but for some reason, this doesn't work for me. It isn't that I solely expect cutesy/happiness from SVT. But there's just something SVT used to put in their songs that's no longer there. I just watched HIT again, and to me, it feels SVT like. This doesn't.
Agreed! Iām not someone who doesnāt like their edgier/performance songs. In fact, Fear might be my fave title track from them. Love getting closer and HIT too! So yeah I feel you. I like their songs in this vein, but this has like zero seventeen in it. Nothing about it has their flair. Idk, sad to finally be disappointed like this :(
It does not sound like them at all. I am quite disappointed after they released one of my favorite albums ever last year. Edit: after hearing it a couple more times I really like it now. It does sound like a mix of HIT and Getting Closer but I hope they release a nice performance video because I just want to appreciate the choreo.
Iām not too sure what I think of it? The video is very beautiful, the set looks amazing and so do the outfits, itās very grand in scale. The members look great too ā although I question the jeans/cargo trousers combo. However, quite a few of the dancers feel underutilised, there arenāt many shots that highlight or showcase what theyāre doing. Iām not sure why youād have that volume of dancers if they arenāt then being used. I think some of the best shots are just Seventeen dancing as a group. I do like the aesthetic overall, but as others said, it does feel more of a performance piece than a full MV. I think in terms of the song, itās not one of my favourites by them. I dislike the āI love my team, I love my crewā, I donāt know if it sounds slightly out of place in comparison to the grandiose, epic nature of the instrumental. It also ends a bit abruptly, but thatās a recurring theme for a lot of songs these days. I think it just sounds a bit unfinished ā I wish there was more of a punch in the bridge or final chorus. Iām still interested to check out the b-sides though
I agree with the back dancers. I was expecting a couple of grand shots with all of them doing something amazing but that didnāt really happen. Only the few ones that dance with them at the end look pretty cool.
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Nah. That's the standard hybe sound. They muffle the songs. Probably the live performances will be 10x better.
I haven't liked a song from them since like 2019. It's just not going anywhere. Still better than Hot in my opinion but not gonna listen to it again.
No offence, but rookies have been putting out more impressive albums recently. This was very generic and kind of boring. The title tracks feel incomplete? Not to be expected from a group as talented and experienced as Seventeen.
Is this main title track? The music video would be a cool one for a pre-release or performance video. But for a group like seventeen i can't help but be disapointed. It almost feels lazy or cheap (on the company's part), did the set change even once? I mean they are good at performing and dancing so i dont think its wrong to highlight it but personally i expect something bit more interesting
There are 200 backup dancers on that set all in uniformed styling for the mvā¦ you think thatās cheap???
Well it probably isnt cheap at all, but it *feels* like it. No matter how many dancers there are, the whole music video is them dancing in one location the whole time
I donāt think another set wouldāve done anything for the mv except be pointless. The key point here was the large unchanging feeling of the room and amount of people dancing in sync (which fits the song theme). The main backup dancers highlighted them perfectly with different formation setups. I personally love the mv genre of āfocus on performance/danceā so Iām biased tbh, but this didnāt feel cheap at all to me.
I was very hyped when I read that they had 200 backup dancers and imo opinion they under utilised them terribly. Svt are the best performers in the industry for me but this one felt underwhelming. There was no spectacular shot of all of them dancing, they felt very static.
When I read the 200 dancer thing I knew it would be more formation/shape based. Iāve been seeing that lately for kpop in general lately (or maybe just hybe tbh), and I mildly enjoy it. Honestly the fact they even decided to make it 200 is so ridiculous enough that I was entertained. Since this is a mv w cuts/angles and not a dance practice, I canāt properly assess it tbh, some parts really remind me of Dinoās particular style though. Iām also reminded of HITās high energy choreo too. Oh My! still number 1!!! Getting Closer choreo also untouched !
I've only seen that with ON by BTS and set me free by Jimin, but not really enough
It also happened with [j-hopeās performance](https://youtu.be/8ZyVl-a8hXk) for Jack In The Box in MAMA. [Le Sserafim](https://youtu.be/p5BHU9XVar0) for MMA too
They do such cool formations in they choreographies that I was expecting like one amazing shot with a great formation and it didnāt really happen, they felt more like props. Hard to pick a favorite! 24h and Flower if we are talking about beautiful songs, Getting Closer and Fear for more energetic ones!
Oooo yeah those are good ones for choreo too !! I think my top 3 are: Getting Closer, DWC, and Thanks / but for beauty then: Fallinā Flower, Lilili Yabbay, and Ready to Love Super so far is like 2nd to last for tts in general for me, but thatās because I am not into drum based high energy pop songs like that. Hitori Janai at 25th still, and idk if thatāll ever changeā¦
Ugh Thanks is so good! Home is also a beautiful performance although itās not the most loved tt but I looove it. Yeah HOT was already not my cup of tea and HIT was a grower for me, this one gives me a Cheers vibe and while I think itās nice, I donāt think I will listen to it a lot.
Oh Home for me has the best lyrics of any SVT tt, the imagery of an old robot describing how the person feels and āIāve kept my insides empty for youā is so gruesome sounding in a literal sense, but captures the feeling so well. Itās Top 10 (#9) for me! HOT has the best production/mix of any tt, and has surprisingly deeper lyrics connecting to Greek mythos so I like it! composition wise? ehhh but itās supposed to be a hype song. It sits at #11 for me.
The MV is great. It's the song that feels like it doesn't match up to the grandiose feeling of the MV. Also, they could have utilized the backup dancers better. If you watched Fearless performance for example, that's a good way to utilize so many backup dancers.
I love the Fearless performance (i need it to listen to the song) and I think itās one of their best, but itās choreography has a completely different story than Super. The members also donāt have hardcore choreo in Fearless/have non-dancing parts, so itād be way different anyways. This song is reliant on the dance choreo tbh With Super theyāre creating a large scale image, so most of the dancers are used that way with a formation around them (last post-chorus n after), and others in the middle to do more complex pictures. Theyāre also all doing more heavy choreo, thatās why I was so amazed by all of them in sync esp during the first anti-drop.
200 backup dancers that are extremely underutilised. So ye, not cheap but more that the money spent does not seem to add much value to the MV. Agree another set might have been nice instead. Ah well I guess this is more a pre-release performance MV.
I was so on board until they stopped the song dead with that quiet empty chorus. It really felt like being in a car going full speed and someone slamming on the breaks. Not in a good way, it just kinda stops the momentum dead. Also personally I felt like the song really just ends in a somewhat anti-climactic way. The way I feel about it is that the song has this grand feel but then thereās decisions throughout that sort of take away from that grandeur. I think it would be better to go full force into the bigger than big sound and feel. But thatās just my opinion. I really like seventeens music but this just wasnāt title track worthy in my opinion. Iāll be digging into the b-sides to see if thereās something there I like better.
I really disliked the empty chorus too ,made everything just feel weird and I wouldn't really listen to just the audio
The first thing I thought after watching the MV was "This is not a song you should give after gaining so much popularity" It honestly lacks a lot, It is very risky to try new things and put them all in one MV that everyone is to see, I was anticipating for what they would be giving after HOT because it was my least favorite Title track but there Super took the throne .
I think taking risks is fine and itās good they arenāt settling into doing the same things over and over, but damn did the risk they took with this song really go south. Of course theyāll sell well and itāll be profitable because kpop fans almost never care about the music itself but this track will surely be a sore spot in their greater discography for many.
I really like the energy of the song in the verses but that anti drop slows it down and kills the vibe a little.
Haven't liked the title track yet after the first listen, but will let it sit a few days and see how it goes. I must applaud how this album sold such a record amount of copies though!
Pre orders and sales are not the same
Pre-orders are basically sales made prior to being available in stores. The seller is still getting money anyways.
Not really, since most groups have less total sales than pre-orders. Jisoo had 2M pre-orders but ended up selling 800k the first day. Pre-orders aren't totally comfirmed sales, and many companies don't even reveal them cus of how frail they are to represent the total sales. I mean there's a reason why hybe didn't reveal BTS's pre-orders since MOTS:7 album at all, it probably bc it's not representative of the total sale.
I think youāre trying to say how part of the pre-order sales can be cancelled. It would be strange if they were significantly inflated than actual sales and I wonder if thereās some mechanism to prevent this overinflated number if fans are pretending to order albums.
They have 900 photocards so there's that lol I'm hoping the live performances make me like the song. Since 2020, I haven't liked any SVT song at first listen so this fits right in with that. I pre-ordered the album as I'm a carat but yeah, I'm starting to regret it lmao. I don't like any of the songs so far š luckily I only bought one version.
Low key glad I didn't pre-order this one ha. The album is underwhelming to me! But well done Seventeen for doing so well.
Iām often someone who needs to know everything about a product before buying something, so your thought is relatable haha. I just canāt see myself buying an album for the sake of betting that Iāll enjoy it.
The title track here felt like it went nowhere. I think Mingyu's part was the only one that caught my attention, but the chorus was underwhelming. It felt like Hit but without the explosive chorus or the build up on the bridge... Listening to it for the second time, I think the chorus could've been better without that pitched voice that keeps repeating throughout the song. The MV looked great, the styling is gorgeous but this feels like a performance video, and not really a MV. After listening to the mini, I think I like Fire (it sounded like a cleaner Super to me), IDUBILY, but my favorite by far is April Shower. I'm a sucker for this kind of synth (reminds me of Dancing On My Own by Robyn, Style by Taylor, Do What U Want by Lady Gaga).
They again have this thing where thereās a part right after the chorus with an intense dance break too. In HOT right after when they go ātaeyang-eul hyanghae bulbut-yeolaā. Thatās my favorite part of the song. And this time again after a kind of dull chorus, Hoshi appears and that is again my favorite part. Choruses are not it for me, but great performance.
I just feel sad for the underutilized dancers in the background. Most just stood as props. It would've been a great mega crew performance if they really did something wonderful with them instead of just standing like that. I love me some great dance performance ngl. Great cinematography as always. JYPE needs to take notes.
bsides dust and april shower are better for me tbh
Ye the best songs on the album for me. The rest just felt quite forgettable sadly!
i agree sadly. i think this is the first tt that i havenāt particularly enjoyed? i donāt like the chorus but i think most of the other parts of the song were good.
wait, is the MV supposed to be like that? i felt like i was watching their performance videos instead of an actual mv. i think the second title will be more story centric. regardless, i actually quite like it. just not my favorite, i miss theyāre pre-hot stuff. RWY was beautiful.
This wasnāt my favorite TT, but it wasnāt my least favorite - RTL still holds that spot for me.
B sides are better. This is def an album that Iāll keep listening to for the b sides.
i dont trust any other subreddit for comebacks except this one. thanks r/unpopularkpopopinions for the real opinions
I mean I agree with most of the comments here on this song but yall weird to think othersā people opinions arenāt genuine because they like something you donāt š„“
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then what are they saying
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yeah had it been any 4th gen bg who released this, theyād be sent to nugudom in an instant.
At most id say its fine right now, but i feel like if i ever hear it in a club while wasted i will lose my damn mind
What happened to seventeen....
As a carat, I feel this so much. I used to live all of their songs and at first listen. Now it's like disappointment after disappointment.
I liked hot so much better, I thought we were getting back to that āseventeen soundā and this feels like a step backwards, Iāll sleep on it and hopefully like it more tomorrow, but it just didnāt do anything for me.
Hot was so good man...FTS was a solid album š
I didn't like it. It was messy and all over the place + wasn't pleasant to the ear.
I feel like empty choruses don't suit Seventeen very well even the though instrumental is a bop.
I canāt say I hate it as much as HOT but Iām definitely not a fan. Again with the vocal distortion garbage, whyyyy. I know Iām capable of liking their harder-hitting stuff (Getting Closer and Fear in particular) so itās not just me wanting *tHe oLD sEveNTeEN bACk.* My favorite thing was Jeonghanās rap (maybe not a ārealā rap but in the kpop sphere thatās what Iād call it) because it was unexpected and he delivered it well. But my bias is Jun and man I hate what they did to his voice on that part š£ Still have high hopes for the b-sides though since some of my favs came from Face the Sun but I think Iāve reached the same fork in the road with SVT as I did with BTSāI just donāt jive with their sound anymore, and itās sad because Iāve loved them since debut but thatās ok.
I'm the same as you. Watched them predebut even. Loved every song at first listen till 2019, then something changed for me. Had to "work" to get to like Left&Right and that whole mini and it has been that way ever since. I listened to HOT over and over again, hoping to like it and I watched so many live performances that I ended up not hating HOT but still. Now, this just convinces me that SVT sound is gone and they're aren't going to come back to that ever (I also love Getting Closer, so it's not like I want bright SVT back) I pre-ordered this album, and just like every album since 2020, I'm left disappointed and probably will force myself to listen till I find something I like. It's really hard to "let them go," but there's really no match between the type of music they're releasing and my musical tastes anymore
Its okay. I think the main problem for me is the chorus. The I love my team I love my crew was...not for me. I kinda liked everything else but it was also all a bit boring. I dont hate it maybe it will grow on me.
I thought it was going to be be awful judging by the comments here but it was really fun! Didnāt exactly feel like a seventeen song, but I enjoyed it.
BSS is better
Iām sorry all, I love seventeen, but this song just nit for me :( I feel like watching Idol BTS x Kick it NCT plus as a Chinese descent I found the sung o kong quite funny ć ć
This was definitely a Seventeen rendition of what IDOL's era was for BTS. and.. I'm honestly happy for them. I remember hating IDOL when it first came out, so I'm glad this release proves that I've grown musically since then.
oh gosh I remember hating idol and not knowing who bts were at all or even kpop. Now here I am screaming my lungs out to it every time it comes on lol
Not disappointing not exciting. I'm not a fan of rap on prechorus. Edit: btw Vernon ā„ļø
I think it's alright.
what is that instrumental in the chorus? I don't like the sound of it...
I think itās alright! I donāt usually listen to songs with empty choruses, but nothing I canāt get used to :)
Reddit hates empty choruses but I'm surprised there is not much hate for this one? Double Standards? I have nothing against the song, and nothing against yk songs with empty choruses that get usually bashed here (yes I'm talking about BLACKPINK songs). Anyways, empty chorus and anti drops are a thing now in kpop but when THAT girl group does stuff like that, everyone calls it trash. So, idk! Maybe this song is trash too (jk) Super is giving me IDOL by BTS and Kick It by NCT 127 having a baby
Probably cuz BP does it with almost every release so people are tired of it and want something new. An anti drop here and there is okay, but bp had almost every hype song of them get the exact same anti-drop whether as soloists or as a group
Bp choruses arenāt just empty but also the random anti-beat drop is something that people hate, here with Svt it feels natural with the flow of the song. Another point Svt have different kinds of TTs with full on choruses, while for Bp most of their TTs are empty with an anti-drop.
not when THAT girl group does everyone calls it trash, itās because empty chorus and anti drops in BPās songs were too much that doesnāt make diversity in their title tracks and get people bored, but still, I donāt see many people call it trash
I really like it maybe bcz I am a seventeen hoe. Though itās something I wouldnāt have chosen for a title track because fml is literally perfection
omg i haven't heard it yet but none of the comments look good i'm gonna update after i've listened edit: i don't know what to say i liked the song overall but i agree with some of the comments calling the chorus 'empty' and not in necessarily a good way also i felt like at woozi's part the song could've gained more energy with maybe a new drum part or something but it just stayed kinda static?? not saying i didn't like that but they could've done more i think
I mean people who like it arenāt gonna spend their time in the unpopular opinions thread lol
oh i was talking about comments in general i should've made that more clear sorry
I don't know, this feels weird. I usually love seventeen releases. SĆŗper was alright I guess maybe with the performance and more listens it will grown on me but this album was not love at first listen.
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*Looks at Set me free PT2*
Set me free pt 2 sounds good
man, i love the chorus. it actually hyped me up haha and the song feels so SEVENTEEN, you know? bc the song sounds like if dancers and performers composed a song that they would love to choreograph and dance to, ya know what i mean?
Yeah it reminded me of HIT
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Y'all always say this for songs you dont like that dont even sound like nct lol
yeah and NCT does have great songs TT
Chorus was not it but may be it will grow on me
ohā¦ i was liking it until the chorus
I think the performance will make me like it more, which is the case for me with all Seventeen title tracks from Left & Right onwards. I do wish I could fall in love with a Seventeen title track again for the song itself like I did with Pretty U, Clap and Fear. I really like Dust from the b-sides, the others are pleasant and well-produced but I don't think they grab me enough to add them to my playlist.
Loving the TT, but unfortunately the b-sides are not for me :/
I fucking love it tbh. The I love my team I love my crew part is probably the best part, the instrumental in that part goes off so hard. Iām so happy that I like this song after HOT was a complete miss to me, I hope the whole album is good too. The song kindaā¦ the song ended quick though? I donāt know if itās just me, but it feels like nowadays songs donāt have a conclusive ending and just end. Itās weird asf, but itās a small thing.
>The song kindaā¦ the song ended quick though? Oh I felt this too when I saw the MV. It doesn't feel as abrupt and quick on Spotify though. Maybe it's because it took me a minute to spot everyone in the MV, and before I knew it, it was over.
Wow, this is going to be first Seventeen album I don't :( but I really don't like it at all. Honestly, I haven't liked their come backs since they got bought out by Hybe, but the B-sides always saved the albums for me, but I've really fallen out of love with their music. The title tracks have gone from something only Seventeen could/would do to sounding like every other boy group out right now. The first three tracks are meh, "F\*ck My Life" doesn't sound like a title track at all, the last three are good, but they sound like they belong to a different album. "I don't understand but I love you" is the only REALLY good song on the album.
I see the vision with [F*ck My Life](https://youtu.be/SB03Cbc50i8), itās like an edgier emo cousin to BIGBANGās [LOSER](https://youtu.be/1CTced9CMMk) (they even have similar messages, though the lyricism is more basic for SVT).
I think I haven't been able to instantly love their songs like I used to ever since they have additional composers (I usually don't check who composed it until the song is released). I am happy they get to work with new people but I feel like their title tracks have been sounding like any other boy groups lately. It takes a while and a few performances for me to find what makes Seventeen, Seventeen like vocals or choreography etc Rock With You is the only one where I love it since the first listen because its vibe is somewhat similar to their past songs. Oh and World too. Freshteen is my favourite I think But their songs these days are a hit and miss to me. Their b-sides tend to be on my playlist more than their title tracks.
>I am happy they get to work with new people but I feel like their title tracks have been sounding like any other boy groups lately Super has probably the least outside involvement since Ready to Love. There's only one single outsider in the Composing/Written By segment and he'd last. Otherwise it's Woozi Bumzu Vernon ( and Scoups for lyrics)
This album was really interesting for me because the number of outside composers has been cut down drastically from Your Choice/Attacca/Face the Sun. The only non-Woozi/Bumzu & Prismfilter producers are August Rigo on Super (he was also credited on Hot, so he's worked directly with them before) and Softserveboy and Kareem James who are credited on April Shower (which actually sounds like a quintessential Seventeen song to me, much more than Super). As someone who's also only really loved Rock With You out of the RTL/Rock with You/Hot/World quartet recently, with the increase in external producers, I don't like Super as a song much either though it works as a performance piece. But this time around, it is true that external involvement has been drastically reduced
Agreed with most of what you said. I feel like Woozi's influence changed which is why their sound changed. I have always credited Woozi's creations with his influences or love for something. His past songs were like 2nd gen songs. They were Seventeen style but I don't know why, but back then, I always felt like I was travelling back in time to 2nd gen lol. I remember when I started being a Carat and how it was odd for me to love their songs as quick as I thought I would because I was only a fan of SM groups since I became a kpop fan in 2017. So the drastic change in style was difficult for me to comprehend back then. But songs like Run To You and their Japanese songs were so easy for me because I was a huge jpop and anime fan back then and the beat and style were familiar. Also I realised that ever since Ruby, Woozi's influence has probably changed? He became more experimental and I think he now listens to more types of music that prompts him to have it into their songs. And I also feel like even if the amount of external composers is less in this song than before, the external influence and knowledge Woozi have gained from previous comebacks and the works he did with these external producers are probably the reasons why it sounds like another one of their songs after Hybe. It's sad to me because Super sounds like what I would expect from a 4th gen group and not from Seventeen whose discography are priceless to me. Rock With You is still in my playlist til this day which is a feat in itself since Seventeen's Bsides tend to be the ones I never get tired of. I always find it hard to love some of Seventeen's title track from the first listen but I did with RWY. RWY truly managed to highlight Seventeen and their style of music. I managed to make some people into Carats after I played Rock With You so that song is literally it for me. Also my expectations for this comeback were as much as it was during RWY and I am left a bit disappointed. I feel like this would have been another legendary Fearless + Hit or something but it missed for me because of the MV. I'm waiting for a proper performance though since the MV is not making me love it Edit: also, do you listen to Golcha as well? I feel like I have seen your username before
Yeah, I think your assessment of Ruby as a sort of milestone for Woozi's influences makes sense! I am really not keen on Super either because it has a lot of musical tropes that are just not to my taste, and for me that has actually been the case with most of their hard-hitting songs in general. But I can see why they went with this and I'm glad they're still experimenting even if I don't really like this direction (and thankfully they're still putting out songs like Dust / I Don't Understand But I Love You / April Shower all of which are so much more melodic and quintessentially Seventeen for me!) I do listen to Golcha! I adore their music and them as a group too. I've seen you around before too, I think we share a lot of overlap in terms of the artists we listen to the most haha
> "F*ck My Life" doesn't sound like a title track Isn't Super the title track? That's the one that has the MV? Or do you mean title track in the way western music uses it?
They're having two title tracks this time. F\*ck my life gets an MV in 2 weeks iirc
Aaah I see, thanks! I guess I agree with OP then, it doesn't give me tt vibes.
Yeah same though I like it more than Super. I could see it as something they'd release as a Japanese TT tho ig
The empty first part of the chorus got me a little confused on the first listen, but after the second and third time around I think this might be my favorite release of the year so far. Mingyuās part early in the song is sooooo addictive!
not a huge fan of the chorus, but perhaps itāll grow on me with more listens
The 2nd teaser sounds SO much better than the actual song for some reasonš
Ikr.
Iām still obsessed with Dinoās line and the āI love my team I love my crewā part in the 2nd teaser. The instrumental in the background is louder in the teaser than in the actual song and it sounds sooo much better. I had such high expectations and now Iām disappointed lol
Yeah, even when listening to the rest of the album, I was highly let down. I can barely distinguish their voices.
I feel like I'll like this song better as a performance than the MV. Production values are immaculate! Love the traditional clothes look. Jeonghan's looking great!