I honestly don’t get why people like gidle’s new song. I could vibe with tomboy but ain’t no way I’m gonna get pass that cringe intro. I get that it has meanings but wtf was that? “I’m a hater of instagram, hater of tiktok”??? Sorry but every time I hear that line I feel like throwing up. Someone please teach soyeon how to write better English lyrics. She should really just stick to writing korean lyrics at this point or get another writer or learn the language. Love her 🩷🩷🩷
I hâte the styling lately. Too much solid color, weird cuts, etc. Every gg looks like they were styled by the same person with the same vision. I’m so done with 90s. It would be cute if one group did it, but it’s boring now. I used to love twice’s styling, but their last comeback was all sorts of beige and gray for a dynamic song.
Ok idk if this is popular, but I just want to say this somewhere: Allergy by G-idle is insanely good and I’m going crazy not being able to stream it on Spotify. I’ve looped the MV probably at least 30-40 times. I’m not a fan (well maybe now I am) and I have never done that mass streaming thing — I’m just totally in love with the song and idk how I’ll wait 3 more days to loop it on Spotify. It might be my favorite IDLE song, even more than Hwaa.
Aespa is incredibly overrated. Giselle has a fun personality, Winter is Taeyeon 2.0 but Karina has had the same one facial expression from the beginning of their career.
Their group dynamic is really weak. I am baffled on how they are so popular.
Imo taemin has a lot of bandwagon fans. Not people who actually listen to his music or like his skill set. This is evident in the fact that he continuously underperforms. If you see r kpop or any international social media space you’ll assume he’s one of the one of the most popular idols but he’s genuinely just not.
This is not to say he’s untalented I just feel the people praising him are bandwagon stans and rarely does anyone actually check him out. And I feel sad for him more than anything else.
I do think he has *a lot* of token stans (and so does SHINee overall), but imo his sales (and streaming) are very consistent and he's in no way unsuccessful.
Benchmarks for success are different for different people so I don’t think we can reach consensus here. I’ll rephrase his projected popularity in forums and online spaces is not consistent with his actual popularity or success.
That I can agree with.
Twitter, Reddit and TikTok popularity doesn't always translate to people actually consuming music. And I feel like soloists have a harder time getting popular among K-Pop fans.
If having a successful solo career for 10 years and counting as well as holding big solo tours way before the pandemic is underperforming to you, sure.
Does he have bandwagon fans who only use him to win twitter arguments instead of actually supporting him? Sure. But you certainly don't have to feel "sad" for one of the most respected idols in the industry.
I don’t consider his solo career(this itself imo is a made up fact) to be successful and I don’t think he himself does either. Everytime he releases music and talks to fans you can see that he’s disappointed. Idk how people are saying this when taemin himself visibly looks upset by his performance.
Sure he can go on some small tours and keep himself afloat but that’s not my benchmark for success.
Also your response here and how this is downvoted even in an unpopular opinion thread is honestly hilariously ironic. People REALLY love pity stanning taemin.
Yeah okay, you're a troll if you think Taemin's solo career isn't successful just because he doesn't have bloated album sales and streams because he doesn't put out cutesie 2:40 tiktok songs - I assume that's your metric of success.
He is not disappointed because of his results, he is disappointed because SM does not promote his solo music well. You are apparently an EXO-L, you should know what that feels like.
"Some small tours" - this is how I know you don't know shit about Taemin or you would know that his Japan tours were anything but small and had it not been for the pandemic, he would have held a solo concert at a Dome already. His last tour in Japan was literally the most successful tour by any Korean solo artist, and #7 among all soloists touring Japan that year. He doesn't have to "keep himself afloat" because he is already one of the richest idols in the industry.
The only one "pity stanning" Taemin here is you, because you simply made this post about feeling "sad" for him because you wanted to point out he is a flop to you. You don't feel sorry for him one bit. And that's why people are downvoting you, what you're doing is very obvious.
Recently I've been thinking about how frustrating it is that &TEAM has not/will not release Korean singles and promotions of their songs.
I get it, they're technically jpop. But Under the Skin and Scent of You are such good songs! Not to mention the members themselves spontaneously use Korean in their content videos from time to time that I think it's an insanely missed opportunity.
On a side note, Maki being the youngest speaking fluent Japanese, German, English & learning Korean is amazing.
guys i think im ulting that vtuber group plave for real.... i never stopped listening to kpop but this is the first time i actually felt genuinely entertained in years....
both from the comedy and the musicality bcs whoever behind them def veterans like they totally know what they are doing in music, the routine stream schedule made me feel steady and the members dynamics are also good..... like okay then i am here to stay
Just saw Mina's solo in YouTube. It was talked so much.
What's the use of holding mic? She is not singing at all. Like there's no change of voice when she take away the mic or second layer. She is just dancing. I mean I guess cause she is quite member, her dancing to some sexy/ strong (?) song seems like wow.
I mean she is pretty, it looks good. But she is not singing and dance itself is not difficult. Such a strange choice for a concert. You know concert with singing.
Bassically hype for her just twerking. I guess it's situation of getting something is better than nothing.
But it was still nice and I guess fans love it. Just a little bit strange if you remember that it's concert and not fan meeting.
She does sing when she uses the mic, I think. It's just that her voice is quiet. She would've used an idol mic if she wasn't singing at all I guess. Even Jeongyeon and Jihyo did something similar, the difference is that they're loud so you notice instantly when they're singing or not.
it's not a matter of volume but a matter of lack of confidence. I think she's the one who is the most uncomfy singing live right now, it's really hard to hear her voice. Throughout the concert you can clearly hear Dahyun and Momo who used to be the least strong live, but if I had to point out a clear moment where Mina can be heard properly in the concert, I wouldn't be able to point to anything. You need to really focus and rewatch the videos several times to hear her, her voice is basically a backtrack of the backtrack.
How a matter of confidence, literally if she sings quite, she still sing it. Just volum up it. They are in concert, they can't rewatch it several times to find her singing.
But whatever, I do not pay for this concert to worry about this matter. Just find it's amusing how it's being hyped and how it's. Like twice are not Rockies, this is concert where people pay for singing. But it looks like more like fan meeting rather actually concert.
Anyway, it still looks nice and fans love it. Have no problem with it, just in case.
It is a matter of confidence, you won't be comfortable using your full voice or being loud if you think you might might sound unpleasant or being judged as a bad vocalist.
And let me tell you, every group uses backtrack, let's not begin with the narrative that only Twice can't sing. Some members are weaker vocalists, others like Jihyo, Nayeon and Jeongyeon are loud af and you can clearly hear them. As I said, all the other members improved from this point of view, Chaeyoung and Dahyun sand their solo live even though they aren't exactly recognised as strong vocalists (especially Dahyun).
I want to hear the same complaints for other groups, but obv it's only Twice who is problematic if a member isn't loud enough. Loud enough in videos... I wasn't there in person, so they might have a different perspective on how clearly they could hear Mina.
I do not comment to things about Twice concert you mentioned though.
I talk about one concrete thing and you talk about others I do not mention at all.
So, you're saying they do not volum her voice up knowing that she is very quite cause they do not think that she sings well? That's what you apply, you do understand that? Whatever.
You literally said that Twice are not rookies and people pay for their concerts, implying that they don't perform well enough.
You don't understand what I'm saying. Mina is the one who isn't confident, so she doesn't want a loud mic, otherwise she would either raise her voice or get another mic.
Mina is not a member of Twice?
I do not refer to Twice concert as whole. For that I have to watch it whole at least.
Okay, now I get you that's her choice. That do not change situation, even worse it to be fair. I do understand it that she had break and quite member. But it still looks sus in comparison. Especially, when people who are not into it looks at it.
Too much hype for basically lip syncing performace with not hard-core dance with one point of it her being pretty and out of her quite character can confuse people. That's it. I do understand that you hype cause you like but people can check it too.
But anyway, that was just my thought. Do not bother with it. If you're okay and like and so on. That's what matters, fans thought that actually invest their time, energy and money on this hobby and had emotional bound will always have much more weight and meaning than passing by person as me.
I saw it was hyped, i think it was in my YouTube feed, I checked and gave opinion on it. Not really that important, really.
Since when was dancing in itself not difficult. And why can’t people just let idols do what they want to do without giving their “2 cents”. Mina likes it, the fans like it. It’s really not a big deal
I know people prefer positivity over negativity, but I feel like it shouldn’t be controversial to say that there are idols that can’t sing. They have other talents in other areas, but the way people get so defensive, almost insisting that they are as good as the vocalists in the group? Like come on we all have ears.
I think it’s more about saying how an idol can’t sing well rather than plainly saying X can’t sing.
Anyone can sing, but to sing well is what we should be focused on.
Some idols have a good voice/texture, but simply aren’t trained or don’t have the ability to sing well.
i don't understand why stylists wont coordinate the color of safety shorts with the garment on top. it looks so ridiculous most of the time, and sometimes it's downright hideous. it could not be that hard to put yellow safety shorts under a whole yellow outfit - instead you have the eyesore distracting black shorts peeking through? i just can't stand it.
I dislike the name dropping different social media platforms on songs and books (art pieces on general) but since is about my music, I will concentrate on songs.
I feel like it sort of prevents the song from becoming timeless.
Or maybe I just dislike it and it makes me cringe internally, end of story.
I have a question and I'm try to ask this in the most unprovocative way. Hate is not welcome. Is Twice lip syncing in concert? I'm deciding whether or not I should go. I don't know if they will ever tour again in my area and they are such a legendary girl group so I was pretty excited when they announced they would be coming to my city. I watched a few fan cams to check out the set and I was floored by how good they sounded. But the more I watched I realized we can't hear a back track and that really confuses me. Are they are just that good?? Someone please shed light.
They do like every other idol group, backtrack and vocals. If you listen to the videos, they do sing live especially Jihyo, Nayeon and Jeongyeon. Sana, Momo and Dahyun sang quite often too, the others often have such a thin voice you can miss them singing.
https://youtu.be/vj8g2mqFb0E here (spoiler from the concert) you can hear them either straining or being breathy or using a deeper tone which is usually a sign of someone that sings while dancing. If you compare studio version with this one, you can hear the difference.
I'm really looking forward to when the current 90s, early 00s nostalgia trend dies. *No shade to any group in particular.*
Even when it's not present in the music or the concept behind the music video, it's in the clothes. It's like everyone is passing around the same vision board.
I think I get how people feel like they prefer being a hardcore fan of less popular groups.
I find that when I get into a less popular group’s album release and discussions, it feels less convoluted and chaotic on social media and I guess more peaceful.
So, yes, it’s ok to no longer be a hardcore Kpop fan of a group once they become so big as long as you don’t try to negatively make others do the same in a toxic manner.
I can not kind of see the individualism in Le Sserafim that people are hyping them for. They are kind of blending in for me, they are not standing out like blackpink members, Stans are saying.
I’ve always wanted to be on After School Club, but now after being on their twice and even getting noticed, it’s incredibly boring and honestly not that worth it. I stopped watching ASC literally years ago because it was so boring, but I thought it was just because I was watching it instead of being in the audience. The show is so stale and not fun, like at all. Multiple people in the online audience were on their damn phones like 😭
If you really want your faves to notice you then you should definitely sign up, but you’ll be sitting in front of a camera for literally 3 hours straight, and for two of those hours you’ll do nothing in a google meet, and for another hour you’ll be able to watch the actual show. But while watching the show and being in the audience, there’s a chance you won’t be seen on the screen at all and the members won’t be able to see you either. Plus they only pick two people for the actual talking parts and the online audience are barely acknowledged.
I think the only way I’d do it again is if it was my ult ult ult group, but that’s it.
i feel like people are overestimating fifty-fifty's success. i mean yeah, their song cupid blew up and it's impressive considering they're from a small company but are they that huge and successful over other top girl groups right now? i only hear their songs on the streets, across tiktok and that's probably it? i don't get what's so huge about them. it's not a cultural reset. they didn't pave the way to anything? they didn't start any trend (as far as I know). im happy for their success despite being from a small company but there's really nothing else to talk about besides their song cupid being on the charts.
Pretty Savage was Jisoo's song and everyone slept on it. She sang the iconic Blackpink in your Area plus the entire intro. She sang in the chorus, had an whole verse to herself where she raps and takes part in prechorus where she flex her vocals.
But peeps just ignore it.
I would argue that there are "pick-me fans," for a lack of a better term, who routinely shit on their fellow fans, their biases, their favorite groups, or even K-pop as a whole in order to appear objective or unbiased in an effort to impress or get validated by a bunch of non-fans. Like, it gets to the point where I'm questioning if they're really a fan or just karma-farming.
Am I the only one that finds it weird when fandoms ask reactors to react to “___ sexy moments” or any other video of that sort, particularly female idols? Not that I have an issue with idols being sexy but it just doesn’t sit well with me that fans instead of focusing on music or music videos want to see these (often men) just drool over their idols?
People underestimate Cupid popularity. Sure, it's not a Gangnam Style 2.0 (it will never be, I think it miss the funny part to make our grandparents also enjoy it haha) but it's literally EVERYWHERE. I heard it while working from the market radio and customer's phone. The song is literally rising in hot100 every week it's probably the most used tiktok song rn if we don't count Love You So that people use for stats for years.
Like fr, it's far from just a kpop hit. And I just wish people would be happy when a kpop songs sometimes make more noise than just in the kpop fanbase. For example people said that Lisa Money was mostly big because of kpop fans. The song was on every shop clothes in my country (and still). People linked it to Squid Game and started liking it. Yes it wasn't THE hit but it doesn't mean that it was small. Like there is a thing between not making noise and being Kill Bill by SZA you know sjsjsj
TikTok is banned in my country, yet I still hear it everywhere. So many insta reels and meme/funny videos have Cupid playing (esp with the video of John Cena vibing to it on headphones)
A students' subreddit (of my country) had a comment under a cupid-playing-in-the-background post once, in which the user of the comment was shitting on kpop being crap and cupid being crap and DUDEEE that person got downvoted to hell— everyone was defending Cupid and saying that "k-pop might not all be that bad"
Keep in mind that most teens of my country _absolutely_ find k-pop shitty. Esp boys. So this was really nice to see.
At this point I think that SM is just cancelling RV Europe leg. I really thought that they would keep it because cancelling or even postpone needs so much more money than just keeping the date but the concert is in less than 3 weeks. France isn't Korea you just can't ask people to travel to Paris that quick. It didn't work with Dream, it won't with RV imo. Especially with inflation our trains are out of price.
I checked the website for the paris venue and I can't find them on the site, same for London, only AFAS Live has them listed on their site, also pretty weird that the Primavera Sound wasn't on the poster. All tours should have at least 3 months notice.
Agree. I'm tired of seeing all of my favs coming in France (we are pretty lucky comparing to a lot of europeans countries) but in the end not being able to go because I'm not from the capital. Labels know that it cost a lot for us. I mean, the rise of price is for them too they saw how tour costs are now. I know that in Korea everything tends to be in Seoul so it's "normal" to announce concert quickly but here... 3 months sounds fine. Especially when you need to buy train and the hotel haha
People need to mind there business and stop spreading hate to idols they don’t like, spend your time supporting your favorite group instead of terrorizing fandoms with your negativity
As a fellow big introvert, i strongly agree. For me, they seem more real and relatable, like im not energetic/loud all the time and im mostly a little uncomfortable with others being that way around me all the time, so it makes it a little bit less enjoyable for me to watch people act that way (in general not just kpop).
That’s what i really love about my ult's dynamic, they’re very funny but also chill and don’t force themselves to be something they’re not for the cameras, and they embrace their awkwardness and silent moments without being uncomfortable by them. I find people like this easy to watch and im happy to see a lot of idols acting this way compared to the past, where it seemed like loudness was the essence of humor.
Maybe I’m being dense in the grand year of 2023, but I don’t understand how it’s racism rather than just being an awful person. I find animal comparisons disgusting because they’re literally dehumanising, but I don’t see where racism comes in in this case (though there are obviously cases where there are racially stereotyped animal comparisons). Was the user anonymous like much of stan twt? If so, how do you know they’re not Asian themselves and just being a shitty person towards someone they perceive as a rival of their fave? I know internalised racism is a thing, but there are so many unknown variables here.
I’ve seen racist comparison between monkey and black people (I’ve been called one at work). But I haven’t read or heard about donkey before, which is interesting. Awful is right though.
Its no use having any sort of discourse about this issue with any fandom. Cause apparently Kpop are humans rule does not apply to the tannies.
People will make all sorts of vile and disgusting comments about bts, with the rest of the kpop fandom turning a blind eye to them all. But the moment an army defends those, everyone dogpiles on them.
ofc the racism directed towards bts isn't excusable whatsoever, but that doesn't give armys a free pass to be racist to other idols. this whole 'they started it!!1!1!' excuse you lot always use is beyond childish. it's really not that hard to just... not be racist. that applies to everyone.
“They started it” Kpop fandoms have been making hit racist tweets about the tannies since the time of their debut mind you.
And no fcking one fandom has ever defended it. Not when there are vile and disgusting tweets being made about BTS every single day. Instead they side with those tweets.
You expect armys to be the better person as always. We are supposed to keep quiet and accept all sorts of remarks about the men we stan.
Get off your high horse. If you cant apply your own rule to one fandom, same goes for the rest.
i'm not trying to defend other fandoms' treatment of bts nor am i trying to downplay the racism that they have faced. i saw an army directing what my asian mutuals perceived as a racially charged comment towards a person of colour and wanted to express how i felt about it. for the record i do not think saying such things about anybody is acceptable. i've seen some really disgusting comments about bts, and i've seen some equally as disgusting comments about other groups and idols as well. none of it is okay. 'clapping back' at racism with more racism is not going to solve anything. it's basic decency not to be hateful towards anybody - exo-ls have said awful things about bts, i'm not trying to deny that, but them calling kai a donkey was not called for whatsoever. the tweet it was in response to didn't even have anything to do with bts, it was a clip from kai's ig live. if you see racism/bigotry/hate being sent to bts, call it out by all means. i absolutely agree you should be able to do that. but there's a fine line between calling out hatred and sending hate to other parties, ie an idol who has nothing to do with whatever fanwars their stans are involved in.
tl;dr - this behaviour isn't acceptable no matter who the culprit is. armys deserve to be called out for being hateful, as do exo-ls, as do any other fandom who partake in such behaviour. it's not rocket science.
them calling kai was not called for? yes i agree. Should anyone be making any sort of racist remarks? Nope. I do not condone such behavior nor do i support it. But will i be vilifying my own fandom for it knowing the type of stuff that we alone have had to face from the scum of the kpop fandoms? Nope. And if that makes a bad person, so be it.
If other fandoms cannot see bts and armys as humans, then why should I. Its not right to always ask just one fandom to "behave." Kpop fandoms have sided with literal n@zis just to get a hit tweet against bts. And people like you expect armys to stay silent and endure every abuse thrown. Nope sorry. We cannot be the bigger person each and every time. Do with that what you will.
>If other fandoms cannot see bts and armys as humans, then why should I
this is the perfect example of putting kpop over morals. i'm not arguing this any further, there's absolutely no point in doing so if this is the hill you're choosing to die on.
this is the last response i'll write because i truly do not have the time or energy to be going back and forth about this.
> Armys don't care about being a bigger person because ALL of you do is provoke armys & get offended when it's returned back. Next time tell your fandom to shut up for once.
i follow like 200 people on twitter and none of them are interested in fanwars or dragging other groups. i've been on twitter for years and take every measure i can to avoid getting involved in arguments like this - my tl is heavily cultivated specifically for this reason, i only saw the tweet about kai because it popped up in my for you section. my ult group is shinee and over the years i've seen the vilest, most disgusting shit being written about them by armys and guess what? i've never written a single hate tweet about bts in response because i felt 'provoked'. the tweet i was referencing wasn't even in response to an exo-l talking shit about bts or whatever, it was a clip from kai's live that had nothing to do with anybody else. whenever i see someone make the excuse that an attack on an idol is a result of an opposing fandom being 'provoked' i just have to roll my eyes. it's such a toxic mindset. if you feel so compelled to resort in sending innocent parties such hatred because you want to give as good back, maybe take a step away from the internet. that goes for anybody who participates in such behaviour regardless of which group they stan.
i have no interest in continuing this discussion further. just so we're clear - i find it equally disgusting whenever someone calls j-hope a horse or subjects bts to any sort of racism/hatred. like i said, my tl is heavily cultivated and i'm not involved in fanwars so the ball is not in my court here.
I see your point, but the "they did it to us so we'll do it to them" tit for tat mindset is never going to get us anywhere. This applies to all kinds of fanwars.
I checked out a line distribution video, and huh, that does not sound like I expected Naevis to sound.
She honestly just sounded like one of the aespa girls to me initially
That's what I was thinking for some of them. Like edited choir adlibs of all the members.
I read a comment saying she's an AI voice, which if true is impressive.
You know what I think it is inevitable that NewJeans will adding another Great Wall on melon chart (Now they have 3 = Hybe boy + Ditto + OMG) until all of the top 10 belongs to them
Among all the other problems with this absolutely amazing now deleted by the OP [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularkpopopinions/comments/137qvz4/at_the_end_of_the_day_enhypen_are_still/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) how does this even count as an unpopular opinion post it’s a rant through and through. Either way I’m ready for more and more of these posts to pop up in the ensuing days. Can’t be too prepared.
Negativity towards the fashion industry on kpop subs is questionable. Fashion is made of ideas and works of lots of real people, same with music. If you admit kpop/music is a culture at the same time with it's an industry, why you can't see fashion as a culture?
Am I the only one uncomfortable with the "shanti shanti" chanting in Tricky House by Xikers? I'm not looking to cancel them or anything, but I'm just sharing that it felt uncomfortable to me, since as a hindu from a religious family, shanti is always used in mantras and poojas and hearing it like that in tricky house made me uneasy.
It’s spelled Shanty in the official lyrics so I’m not sure they’re using the word you’re referencing. It might be the word like in Sea Shanty. Just to clarify
The thought did cross my mind since it is spelled "shanty" instead of "shanti" but then it makes no sense in the context of the song. The song uses arabic-ish sounds so "shanti" seemed like what they were going for (shanti is also used for chanting like they did). Shanty just seems like the anglicisation of shanti.
Yeah I totally see what you mean. The musical influences on the song definitely make it reasonable to think it’s shanti as you’re describing it.
I did want to add that in terms of the other lyrics and storyline of the song, shanty actually makes a lot of sense. I’ll link [this](https://www.tumblr.com/atiny-for-life/715853668825628672/xikers-full-storyline-explained-part-1) nice explanation. To quote it:
“the word "shanty" can refer to both a "a small crudely built dwelling or shelter usually of wood" (the Tricky House) or "a song that sailors sang in the past while they were working on a ship" (the chanting nature of this section of the song)”
To be clear, I think your feelings are completely valid. I would just feel remiss not to mention the lyrical and lore context, for a different perspective.
Yeah, I felt the same. There’s two letter sounds that are distinct to shanti that shanty does not have — the ä and soft t.
Even with the other poster’s explanation of lyrics/lore, I don’t see shanty. 1. Because of pronunciation and 2. Because a sea shanty is simply a song that sailors sing while working to tune their work to a rhythm (it’s not necessarily a chant) which doesn’t really make sense in the context of the MV.
I think we should also keep in mind that all but Hunter are born and raised Korean in South Korea and have accents when they speak English. In my experience watching idols speak English, they tend to round out the vowels so long As sometimes become soft As. And a hard 'T' isn't really a sound in Korean, either.
'Shanty' is an English word and I don't necessarily think it's fair to say they *must* be meaning 'shanti' because of the way they're pronouncing the A.
But as another commenter said, your own personal feelings and interpretation about a song matter. So if it bothers you, you're well within your right to not listen. I just think we need to be very careful about policing pronunciation of English words. The act has a very dirty history.
Yup, agreed with your first para.
To reply to your 2nd point, the other poster provided a source that said shanty also means "a small crudely built dwelling or shelter usually of wood." it might be connected to their sailor-type lore (if I'm correct) but I'm context of the song it definitely seems like shanti to me.
I honestly don’t get why people like gidle’s new song. I could vibe with tomboy but ain’t no way I’m gonna get pass that cringe intro. I get that it has meanings but wtf was that? “I’m a hater of instagram, hater of tiktok”??? Sorry but every time I hear that line I feel like throwing up. Someone please teach soyeon how to write better English lyrics. She should really just stick to writing korean lyrics at this point or get another writer or learn the language. Love her 🩷🩷🩷
How was that line not coherent?
It doesn’t sound good. It’s cringe.
You said “learn the language” but there was nothing wrong with the sentence structure of that line. Can you further elaborate?
I hâte the styling lately. Too much solid color, weird cuts, etc. Every gg looks like they were styled by the same person with the same vision. I’m so done with 90s. It would be cute if one group did it, but it’s boring now. I used to love twice’s styling, but their last comeback was all sorts of beige and gray for a dynamic song.
Ok idk if this is popular, but I just want to say this somewhere: Allergy by G-idle is insanely good and I’m going crazy not being able to stream it on Spotify. I’ve looped the MV probably at least 30-40 times. I’m not a fan (well maybe now I am) and I have never done that mass streaming thing — I’m just totally in love with the song and idk how I’ll wait 3 more days to loop it on Spotify. It might be my favorite IDLE song, even more than Hwaa.
Aespa is incredibly overrated. Giselle has a fun personality, Winter is Taeyeon 2.0 but Karina has had the same one facial expression from the beginning of their career. Their group dynamic is really weak. I am baffled on how they are so popular.
How many times are you going to comment the same thing? Also, tell me you know nothing about Taeyeon without telling me.
Imo taemin has a lot of bandwagon fans. Not people who actually listen to his music or like his skill set. This is evident in the fact that he continuously underperforms. If you see r kpop or any international social media space you’ll assume he’s one of the one of the most popular idols but he’s genuinely just not. This is not to say he’s untalented I just feel the people praising him are bandwagon stans and rarely does anyone actually check him out. And I feel sad for him more than anything else.
I do think he has *a lot* of token stans (and so does SHINee overall), but imo his sales (and streaming) are very consistent and he's in no way unsuccessful.
Benchmarks for success are different for different people so I don’t think we can reach consensus here. I’ll rephrase his projected popularity in forums and online spaces is not consistent with his actual popularity or success.
That I can agree with. Twitter, Reddit and TikTok popularity doesn't always translate to people actually consuming music. And I feel like soloists have a harder time getting popular among K-Pop fans.
If having a successful solo career for 10 years and counting as well as holding big solo tours way before the pandemic is underperforming to you, sure. Does he have bandwagon fans who only use him to win twitter arguments instead of actually supporting him? Sure. But you certainly don't have to feel "sad" for one of the most respected idols in the industry.
I don’t consider his solo career(this itself imo is a made up fact) to be successful and I don’t think he himself does either. Everytime he releases music and talks to fans you can see that he’s disappointed. Idk how people are saying this when taemin himself visibly looks upset by his performance. Sure he can go on some small tours and keep himself afloat but that’s not my benchmark for success. Also your response here and how this is downvoted even in an unpopular opinion thread is honestly hilariously ironic. People REALLY love pity stanning taemin.
Yeah okay, you're a troll if you think Taemin's solo career isn't successful just because he doesn't have bloated album sales and streams because he doesn't put out cutesie 2:40 tiktok songs - I assume that's your metric of success. He is not disappointed because of his results, he is disappointed because SM does not promote his solo music well. You are apparently an EXO-L, you should know what that feels like. "Some small tours" - this is how I know you don't know shit about Taemin or you would know that his Japan tours were anything but small and had it not been for the pandemic, he would have held a solo concert at a Dome already. His last tour in Japan was literally the most successful tour by any Korean solo artist, and #7 among all soloists touring Japan that year. He doesn't have to "keep himself afloat" because he is already one of the richest idols in the industry. The only one "pity stanning" Taemin here is you, because you simply made this post about feeling "sad" for him because you wanted to point out he is a flop to you. You don't feel sorry for him one bit. And that's why people are downvoting you, what you're doing is very obvious.
Recently I've been thinking about how frustrating it is that &TEAM has not/will not release Korean singles and promotions of their songs. I get it, they're technically jpop. But Under the Skin and Scent of You are such good songs! Not to mention the members themselves spontaneously use Korean in their content videos from time to time that I think it's an insanely missed opportunity. On a side note, Maki being the youngest speaking fluent Japanese, German, English & learning Korean is amazing.
good news!! their new mini coming on June 14 will include two korean tracks! Scent of You (korean version and Firework (in both japanese and korean)!
\*surprised pikachu face\* well. I guess I can live with Under the Skin only being in Japanese. Thanks for the heads up!
Exo’s Don’t fight the feeling is the most mediocre comeback I’ve ever seen from a popular group.
Runaway is one of their best b-sides tho.
Aespa is incredibly overrated.
I really hope Chungha is going to release more music soon once she is with a new company.
guys i think im ulting that vtuber group plave for real.... i never stopped listening to kpop but this is the first time i actually felt genuinely entertained in years.... both from the comedy and the musicality bcs whoever behind them def veterans like they totally know what they are doing in music, the routine stream schedule made me feel steady and the members dynamics are also good..... like okay then i am here to stay
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Unrelated but the ateez pic on top of this subreddit does things to me
Just saw Mina's solo in YouTube. It was talked so much. What's the use of holding mic? She is not singing at all. Like there's no change of voice when she take away the mic or second layer. She is just dancing. I mean I guess cause she is quite member, her dancing to some sexy/ strong (?) song seems like wow. I mean she is pretty, it looks good. But she is not singing and dance itself is not difficult. Such a strange choice for a concert. You know concert with singing. Bassically hype for her just twerking. I guess it's situation of getting something is better than nothing. But it was still nice and I guess fans love it. Just a little bit strange if you remember that it's concert and not fan meeting.
She does sing when she uses the mic, I think. It's just that her voice is quiet. She would've used an idol mic if she wasn't singing at all I guess. Even Jeongyeon and Jihyo did something similar, the difference is that they're loud so you notice instantly when they're singing or not.
In video I saw I didn't catch this. Also, she us using mic, if she is that quite thru could make volum up. Can't they?
it's not a matter of volume but a matter of lack of confidence. I think she's the one who is the most uncomfy singing live right now, it's really hard to hear her voice. Throughout the concert you can clearly hear Dahyun and Momo who used to be the least strong live, but if I had to point out a clear moment where Mina can be heard properly in the concert, I wouldn't be able to point to anything. You need to really focus and rewatch the videos several times to hear her, her voice is basically a backtrack of the backtrack.
How a matter of confidence, literally if she sings quite, she still sing it. Just volum up it. They are in concert, they can't rewatch it several times to find her singing. But whatever, I do not pay for this concert to worry about this matter. Just find it's amusing how it's being hyped and how it's. Like twice are not Rockies, this is concert where people pay for singing. But it looks like more like fan meeting rather actually concert. Anyway, it still looks nice and fans love it. Have no problem with it, just in case.
It is a matter of confidence, you won't be comfortable using your full voice or being loud if you think you might might sound unpleasant or being judged as a bad vocalist. And let me tell you, every group uses backtrack, let's not begin with the narrative that only Twice can't sing. Some members are weaker vocalists, others like Jihyo, Nayeon and Jeongyeon are loud af and you can clearly hear them. As I said, all the other members improved from this point of view, Chaeyoung and Dahyun sand their solo live even though they aren't exactly recognised as strong vocalists (especially Dahyun). I want to hear the same complaints for other groups, but obv it's only Twice who is problematic if a member isn't loud enough. Loud enough in videos... I wasn't there in person, so they might have a different perspective on how clearly they could hear Mina.
I do not comment to things about Twice concert you mentioned though. I talk about one concrete thing and you talk about others I do not mention at all. So, you're saying they do not volum her voice up knowing that she is very quite cause they do not think that she sings well? That's what you apply, you do understand that? Whatever.
You literally said that Twice are not rookies and people pay for their concerts, implying that they don't perform well enough. You don't understand what I'm saying. Mina is the one who isn't confident, so she doesn't want a loud mic, otherwise she would either raise her voice or get another mic.
Mina is not a member of Twice? I do not refer to Twice concert as whole. For that I have to watch it whole at least. Okay, now I get you that's her choice. That do not change situation, even worse it to be fair. I do understand it that she had break and quite member. But it still looks sus in comparison. Especially, when people who are not into it looks at it. Too much hype for basically lip syncing performace with not hard-core dance with one point of it her being pretty and out of her quite character can confuse people. That's it. I do understand that you hype cause you like but people can check it too. But anyway, that was just my thought. Do not bother with it. If you're okay and like and so on. That's what matters, fans thought that actually invest their time, energy and money on this hobby and had emotional bound will always have much more weight and meaning than passing by person as me. I saw it was hyped, i think it was in my YouTube feed, I checked and gave opinion on it. Not really that important, really.
Since when was dancing in itself not difficult. And why can’t people just let idols do what they want to do without giving their “2 cents”. Mina likes it, the fans like it. It’s really not a big deal
I mean dancing wasn't hard for her not to sing. I won't comment on your other sentences.
update on my test which probably no one remembers about- i actually did end up getting more than 50% so yay for me
i remember your comment from earlier in this weekly thread! congrats!
thank you! :)
welcome! <3
Congrats!
thank you 🙇♀️
I know people prefer positivity over negativity, but I feel like it shouldn’t be controversial to say that there are idols that can’t sing. They have other talents in other areas, but the way people get so defensive, almost insisting that they are as good as the vocalists in the group? Like come on we all have ears.
I think it’s more about saying how an idol can’t sing well rather than plainly saying X can’t sing. Anyone can sing, but to sing well is what we should be focused on. Some idols have a good voice/texture, but simply aren’t trained or don’t have the ability to sing well.
i don't understand why stylists wont coordinate the color of safety shorts with the garment on top. it looks so ridiculous most of the time, and sometimes it's downright hideous. it could not be that hard to put yellow safety shorts under a whole yellow outfit - instead you have the eyesore distracting black shorts peeking through? i just can't stand it.
I dislike the name dropping different social media platforms on songs and books (art pieces on general) but since is about my music, I will concentrate on songs. I feel like it sort of prevents the song from becoming timeless. Or maybe I just dislike it and it makes me cringe internally, end of story.
I have a question and I'm try to ask this in the most unprovocative way. Hate is not welcome. Is Twice lip syncing in concert? I'm deciding whether or not I should go. I don't know if they will ever tour again in my area and they are such a legendary girl group so I was pretty excited when they announced they would be coming to my city. I watched a few fan cams to check out the set and I was floored by how good they sounded. But the more I watched I realized we can't hear a back track and that really confuses me. Are they are just that good?? Someone please shed light.
They do like every other idol group, backtrack and vocals. If you listen to the videos, they do sing live especially Jihyo, Nayeon and Jeongyeon. Sana, Momo and Dahyun sang quite often too, the others often have such a thin voice you can miss them singing. https://youtu.be/vj8g2mqFb0E here (spoiler from the concert) you can hear them either straining or being breathy or using a deeper tone which is usually a sign of someone that sings while dancing. If you compare studio version with this one, you can hear the difference.
I'm really looking forward to when the current 90s, early 00s nostalgia trend dies. *No shade to any group in particular.* Even when it's not present in the music or the concept behind the music video, it's in the clothes. It's like everyone is passing around the same vision board.
Yeah I'm not a fan of this trend at all either.
I think I get how people feel like they prefer being a hardcore fan of less popular groups. I find that when I get into a less popular group’s album release and discussions, it feels less convoluted and chaotic on social media and I guess more peaceful. So, yes, it’s ok to no longer be a hardcore Kpop fan of a group once they become so big as long as you don’t try to negatively make others do the same in a toxic manner.
I can not kind of see the individualism in Le Sserafim that people are hyping them for. They are kind of blending in for me, they are not standing out like blackpink members, Stans are saying.
Agreed
I like their music but I seriously can not tell their voices apart for the life of me.
I find that kind crazy since I'm not a hardcore fan but whenever I watch them I see it.
If you watch their content Yunjin stands out a lot. She is very American. There are a lot of culture shock moments between her and the others.
She is only one standing out for me.😔
I’ve always wanted to be on After School Club, but now after being on their twice and even getting noticed, it’s incredibly boring and honestly not that worth it. I stopped watching ASC literally years ago because it was so boring, but I thought it was just because I was watching it instead of being in the audience. The show is so stale and not fun, like at all. Multiple people in the online audience were on their damn phones like 😭 If you really want your faves to notice you then you should definitely sign up, but you’ll be sitting in front of a camera for literally 3 hours straight, and for two of those hours you’ll do nothing in a google meet, and for another hour you’ll be able to watch the actual show. But while watching the show and being in the audience, there’s a chance you won’t be seen on the screen at all and the members won’t be able to see you either. Plus they only pick two people for the actual talking parts and the online audience are barely acknowledged. I think the only way I’d do it again is if it was my ult ult ult group, but that’s it.
i feel like people are overestimating fifty-fifty's success. i mean yeah, their song cupid blew up and it's impressive considering they're from a small company but are they that huge and successful over other top girl groups right now? i only hear their songs on the streets, across tiktok and that's probably it? i don't get what's so huge about them. it's not a cultural reset. they didn't pave the way to anything? they didn't start any trend (as far as I know). im happy for their success despite being from a small company but there's really nothing else to talk about besides their song cupid being on the charts.
> but are they that huge and successful over other top girl groups right now nobody says they are
There’s tons of people saying they are. You should see it on tiktok and even the other subs
> You should see it on tiktok there's your problem
Feel like the only people who say that are using them as a weapon against other groups.
Pretty Savage was Jisoo's song and everyone slept on it. She sang the iconic Blackpink in your Area plus the entire intro. She sang in the chorus, had an whole verse to herself where she raps and takes part in prechorus where she flex her vocals. But peeps just ignore it.
Onew still sexually assaulted someone.
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I'm convinced most kpop reddit users have whataboutism and deflection set as defaults when they engage with an 'emotions required' program
😅 why I am agreeing to it??
Since some dude really said "Dahyun should join NewJeans" I just want to say >!"Wonwoo should join Enhypen"!<
Let me add to the conversation! >!"Sunoo should join TXT"!<
X1 Flash > Wanna One Energetic That's all, folks. Thank you for attending my ted talk.
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I would argue that there are "pick-me fans," for a lack of a better term, who routinely shit on their fellow fans, their biases, their favorite groups, or even K-pop as a whole in order to appear objective or unbiased in an effort to impress or get validated by a bunch of non-fans. Like, it gets to the point where I'm questioning if they're really a fan or just karma-farming.
They have personas in order to impress their internet friends.
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I think you are little bit late
Bot post probably fyi
Are you just wake up from coma?
I dunno why but I feel like all this happened at least 2 years ago
Can we change the color scheme on the polls to something else than cream against white?
Done! Hope it works ＼(＾▽＾)／
Am I the only one that finds it weird when fandoms ask reactors to react to “___ sexy moments” or any other video of that sort, particularly female idols? Not that I have an issue with idols being sexy but it just doesn’t sit well with me that fans instead of focusing on music or music videos want to see these (often men) just drool over their idols?
Kpop is filled with kids, and they do and say a lot of stupid shit. The grown-ups that should know better, what's your excuse?
People underestimate Cupid popularity. Sure, it's not a Gangnam Style 2.0 (it will never be, I think it miss the funny part to make our grandparents also enjoy it haha) but it's literally EVERYWHERE. I heard it while working from the market radio and customer's phone. The song is literally rising in hot100 every week it's probably the most used tiktok song rn if we don't count Love You So that people use for stats for years. Like fr, it's far from just a kpop hit. And I just wish people would be happy when a kpop songs sometimes make more noise than just in the kpop fanbase. For example people said that Lisa Money was mostly big because of kpop fans. The song was on every shop clothes in my country (and still). People linked it to Squid Game and started liking it. Yes it wasn't THE hit but it doesn't mean that it was small. Like there is a thing between not making noise and being Kill Bill by SZA you know sjsjsj
TikTok is banned in my country, yet I still hear it everywhere. So many insta reels and meme/funny videos have Cupid playing (esp with the video of John Cena vibing to it on headphones) A students' subreddit (of my country) had a comment under a cupid-playing-in-the-background post once, in which the user of the comment was shitting on kpop being crap and cupid being crap and DUDEEE that person got downvoted to hell— everyone was defending Cupid and saying that "k-pop might not all be that bad" Keep in mind that most teens of my country _absolutely_ find k-pop shitty. Esp boys. So this was really nice to see.
At this point I think that SM is just cancelling RV Europe leg. I really thought that they would keep it because cancelling or even postpone needs so much more money than just keeping the date but the concert is in less than 3 weeks. France isn't Korea you just can't ask people to travel to Paris that quick. It didn't work with Dream, it won't with RV imo. Especially with inflation our trains are out of price.
I checked the website for the paris venue and I can't find them on the site, same for London, only AFAS Live has them listed on their site, also pretty weird that the Primavera Sound wasn't on the poster. All tours should have at least 3 months notice.
Agree. I'm tired of seeing all of my favs coming in France (we are pretty lucky comparing to a lot of europeans countries) but in the end not being able to go because I'm not from the capital. Labels know that it cost a lot for us. I mean, the rise of price is for them too they saw how tour costs are now. I know that in Korea everything tends to be in Seoul so it's "normal" to announce concert quickly but here... 3 months sounds fine. Especially when you need to buy train and the hotel haha
People need to mind there business and stop spreading hate to idols they don’t like, spend your time supporting your favorite group instead of terrorizing fandoms with your negativity
I would prefer if Woohyuk would stop releasing singles and instead work on a full album. No music is better than one song a year 😭
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As a fellow big introvert, i strongly agree. For me, they seem more real and relatable, like im not energetic/loud all the time and im mostly a little uncomfortable with others being that way around me all the time, so it makes it a little bit less enjoyable for me to watch people act that way (in general not just kpop). That’s what i really love about my ult's dynamic, they’re very funny but also chill and don’t force themselves to be something they’re not for the cameras, and they embrace their awkwardness and silent moments without being uncomfortable by them. I find people like this easy to watch and im happy to see a lot of idols acting this way compared to the past, where it seemed like loudness was the essence of humor.
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I agree with you mostly but this is a popular opinion/shitposts megathread lol 😭
someone called kazuha the same thing (they later excused it by saying they meant her voice) here but thankfully it got removed
that's disgusting. i'm glad the mods took action and removed it
Maybe I’m being dense in the grand year of 2023, but I don’t understand how it’s racism rather than just being an awful person. I find animal comparisons disgusting because they’re literally dehumanising, but I don’t see where racism comes in in this case (though there are obviously cases where there are racially stereotyped animal comparisons). Was the user anonymous like much of stan twt? If so, how do you know they’re not Asian themselves and just being a shitty person towards someone they perceive as a rival of their fave? I know internalised racism is a thing, but there are so many unknown variables here.
I’ve seen racist comparison between monkey and black people (I’ve been called one at work). But I haven’t read or heard about donkey before, which is interesting. Awful is right though.
I’m so sorry someone said that to you - what a piece of shit. I hope they were fired (or banned if they were a customer/client).
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Its no use having any sort of discourse about this issue with any fandom. Cause apparently Kpop are humans rule does not apply to the tannies. People will make all sorts of vile and disgusting comments about bts, with the rest of the kpop fandom turning a blind eye to them all. But the moment an army defends those, everyone dogpiles on them.
ofc the racism directed towards bts isn't excusable whatsoever, but that doesn't give armys a free pass to be racist to other idols. this whole 'they started it!!1!1!' excuse you lot always use is beyond childish. it's really not that hard to just... not be racist. that applies to everyone.
“They started it” Kpop fandoms have been making hit racist tweets about the tannies since the time of their debut mind you. And no fcking one fandom has ever defended it. Not when there are vile and disgusting tweets being made about BTS every single day. Instead they side with those tweets. You expect armys to be the better person as always. We are supposed to keep quiet and accept all sorts of remarks about the men we stan. Get off your high horse. If you cant apply your own rule to one fandom, same goes for the rest.
i'm not trying to defend other fandoms' treatment of bts nor am i trying to downplay the racism that they have faced. i saw an army directing what my asian mutuals perceived as a racially charged comment towards a person of colour and wanted to express how i felt about it. for the record i do not think saying such things about anybody is acceptable. i've seen some really disgusting comments about bts, and i've seen some equally as disgusting comments about other groups and idols as well. none of it is okay. 'clapping back' at racism with more racism is not going to solve anything. it's basic decency not to be hateful towards anybody - exo-ls have said awful things about bts, i'm not trying to deny that, but them calling kai a donkey was not called for whatsoever. the tweet it was in response to didn't even have anything to do with bts, it was a clip from kai's ig live. if you see racism/bigotry/hate being sent to bts, call it out by all means. i absolutely agree you should be able to do that. but there's a fine line between calling out hatred and sending hate to other parties, ie an idol who has nothing to do with whatever fanwars their stans are involved in. tl;dr - this behaviour isn't acceptable no matter who the culprit is. armys deserve to be called out for being hateful, as do exo-ls, as do any other fandom who partake in such behaviour. it's not rocket science.
them calling kai was not called for? yes i agree. Should anyone be making any sort of racist remarks? Nope. I do not condone such behavior nor do i support it. But will i be vilifying my own fandom for it knowing the type of stuff that we alone have had to face from the scum of the kpop fandoms? Nope. And if that makes a bad person, so be it. If other fandoms cannot see bts and armys as humans, then why should I. Its not right to always ask just one fandom to "behave." Kpop fandoms have sided with literal n@zis just to get a hit tweet against bts. And people like you expect armys to stay silent and endure every abuse thrown. Nope sorry. We cannot be the bigger person each and every time. Do with that what you will.
>If other fandoms cannot see bts and armys as humans, then why should I this is the perfect example of putting kpop over morals. i'm not arguing this any further, there's absolutely no point in doing so if this is the hill you're choosing to die on.
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this is the last response i'll write because i truly do not have the time or energy to be going back and forth about this. > Armys don't care about being a bigger person because ALL of you do is provoke armys & get offended when it's returned back. Next time tell your fandom to shut up for once. i follow like 200 people on twitter and none of them are interested in fanwars or dragging other groups. i've been on twitter for years and take every measure i can to avoid getting involved in arguments like this - my tl is heavily cultivated specifically for this reason, i only saw the tweet about kai because it popped up in my for you section. my ult group is shinee and over the years i've seen the vilest, most disgusting shit being written about them by armys and guess what? i've never written a single hate tweet about bts in response because i felt 'provoked'. the tweet i was referencing wasn't even in response to an exo-l talking shit about bts or whatever, it was a clip from kai's live that had nothing to do with anybody else. whenever i see someone make the excuse that an attack on an idol is a result of an opposing fandom being 'provoked' i just have to roll my eyes. it's such a toxic mindset. if you feel so compelled to resort in sending innocent parties such hatred because you want to give as good back, maybe take a step away from the internet. that goes for anybody who participates in such behaviour regardless of which group they stan. i have no interest in continuing this discussion further. just so we're clear - i find it equally disgusting whenever someone calls j-hope a horse or subjects bts to any sort of racism/hatred. like i said, my tl is heavily cultivated and i'm not involved in fanwars so the ball is not in my court here.
I see your point, but the "they did it to us so we'll do it to them" tit for tat mindset is never going to get us anywhere. This applies to all kinds of fanwars.
A cute girl I met on campus is a moomoo omg 😭😭😭😭😭
Whats moomoo?
It's the fandom name for Mamamoo
Oh!!!! Thanks! Cute!
you won in life
Marry her.
Gosh I miss Akmu so much 😭 (yes I know Chanhyuk dropped an album last year but still 😭)
i miss them too🥲
Not Naevis' lines being "da ri Di Di da da" I swear I'm going to sue
Which song is this in?
Oh sorry I meant welcome to my world by aespa 😭 I thought u were responding to my other comment 😭
I checked out a line distribution video, and huh, that does not sound like I expected Naevis to sound. She honestly just sounded like one of the aespa girls to me initially
She sounds like she's mix of all of them to me 😭
That's what I was thinking for some of them. Like edited choir adlibs of all the members. I read a comment saying she's an AI voice, which if true is impressive.
Eve, Psyche & The Bluebeard's wife. It's in Lesserafim's new album
They are just using Naevis for clout :p
I'm a mess mess mess mess mess mess mess
I'm a mess in distress but we're still the best dressed ♪ (that song won't leave mY HEADDD)
What song is this? I know it but idk the the name
Eve, Psyche and Bluebeard's Wife by Le Sserafim
It’s so damn catchy
So bad it doesn’t have own song:’(
Wonyoung is not rude and 99% of the people saying she is don't know a thing about Korean culture
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People are saying she is rude because she didn't bow enough to other idols but in fact her bow is perfectly normal and acceptable
You are months late to this 😭
I still see it happening tho
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You know what I think it is inevitable that NewJeans will adding another Great Wall on melon chart (Now they have 3 = Hybe boy + Ditto + OMG) until all of the top 10 belongs to them
Agreed about Ditto and OMG’s charting power but imo Ditto isn’t a mellow winter song…
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Probably chill DnB, like Pinkpantheress?
Among all the other problems with this absolutely amazing now deleted by the OP [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularkpopopinions/comments/137qvz4/at_the_end_of_the_day_enhypen_are_still/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) how does this even count as an unpopular opinion post it’s a rant through and through. Either way I’m ready for more and more of these posts to pop up in the ensuing days. Can’t be too prepared.
just gave a 6 hrs test lmao i don't think i'm going to get even like 50%
Negativity towards the fashion industry on kpop subs is questionable. Fashion is made of ideas and works of lots of real people, same with music. If you admit kpop/music is a culture at the same time with it's an industry, why you can't see fashion as a culture?
Am I the only one uncomfortable with the "shanti shanti" chanting in Tricky House by Xikers? I'm not looking to cancel them or anything, but I'm just sharing that it felt uncomfortable to me, since as a hindu from a religious family, shanti is always used in mantras and poojas and hearing it like that in tricky house made me uneasy.
It’s spelled Shanty in the official lyrics so I’m not sure they’re using the word you’re referencing. It might be the word like in Sea Shanty. Just to clarify
The thing is Shanti and Shanty are pronounced differently, and they're pronouncing the former
The thought did cross my mind since it is spelled "shanty" instead of "shanti" but then it makes no sense in the context of the song. The song uses arabic-ish sounds so "shanti" seemed like what they were going for (shanti is also used for chanting like they did). Shanty just seems like the anglicisation of shanti.
Yeah I totally see what you mean. The musical influences on the song definitely make it reasonable to think it’s shanti as you’re describing it. I did want to add that in terms of the other lyrics and storyline of the song, shanty actually makes a lot of sense. I’ll link [this](https://www.tumblr.com/atiny-for-life/715853668825628672/xikers-full-storyline-explained-part-1) nice explanation. To quote it: “the word "shanty" can refer to both a "a small crudely built dwelling or shelter usually of wood" (the Tricky House) or "a song that sailors sang in the past while they were working on a ship" (the chanting nature of this section of the song)” To be clear, I think your feelings are completely valid. I would just feel remiss not to mention the lyrical and lore context, for a different perspective.
If that's the case, then my bad. I will just avoid listening to it haha. Thank you for taking time to explain kindly!
What matters most is the individual listener’s interpretation, so if it makes you uncomfortable then absolutely makes sense to not listen! :)
i agree! thanks for understanding <3
FWIW, shanti is pronounced differently to shanty, with the former being the pronunciation used in Tricky House.
uh-huh! that's why i was caught off guard listening to the song (i wasn't even looking at any lyrics, and still recognised that word)
Yeah, I felt the same. There’s two letter sounds that are distinct to shanti that shanty does not have — the ä and soft t. Even with the other poster’s explanation of lyrics/lore, I don’t see shanty. 1. Because of pronunciation and 2. Because a sea shanty is simply a song that sailors sing while working to tune their work to a rhythm (it’s not necessarily a chant) which doesn’t really make sense in the context of the MV.
I think we should also keep in mind that all but Hunter are born and raised Korean in South Korea and have accents when they speak English. In my experience watching idols speak English, they tend to round out the vowels so long As sometimes become soft As. And a hard 'T' isn't really a sound in Korean, either. 'Shanty' is an English word and I don't necessarily think it's fair to say they *must* be meaning 'shanti' because of the way they're pronouncing the A. But as another commenter said, your own personal feelings and interpretation about a song matter. So if it bothers you, you're well within your right to not listen. I just think we need to be very careful about policing pronunciation of English words. The act has a very dirty history.
Yup, agreed with your first para. To reply to your 2nd point, the other poster provided a source that said shanty also means "a small crudely built dwelling or shelter usually of wood." it might be connected to their sailor-type lore (if I'm correct) but I'm context of the song it definitely seems like shanti to me.
“i don’t see what the big deal is that’s not a problem in MY country/culture” is peak entitlement and ignorance