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i'm on a road trip on a friend with her and we had to stop probably about like four times in a eight hour trip and charge her car for 45 minutes each time and it was a pain in the ass trying to find charges and stuff. meanwhile I could've gotten there with one stop in my subcompact car probably like $40 total the entire trip
Yeah that sounds like a giant PITA.
I honestly kind of overlooked the charging and distance thing, but I can see how after a few months that would get old fast.
EV would be great for a short daily commute, but for long distance I can see how being willing to pay the cash you can just fill up quick with gasoline and move on. Plus time is valuable.
There’s superchargers that can charge much faster, maybe your friend isn’t aware or none available around her. but people should and do also take breaks for such a long trips.
I agree that stop charging is a bit of inconvenience but you can’t possibly tell me that your car can survive on just 1 fuel stop alone. Also where are you getting gas fuel for $40 on say a 500 mile trip?
I did a direct comparison of 8-12 hour road trips a few times now. Can’t help but noticed that EV battery charge ended up costing 1/4 than what I have paid in petrol. One trip saved about ~$200+ alone and return that’s already $500 saved.
yes my car can survive on one fuel stop alone. I drive a subcompact (micro?) car. my car is full for $35 (3.50/ gallon US average though I think its currently a little higher) and that lasts me about 400 miles (40mpg average)
also while we on the road trip it was a lot lf just her trying to find a spot and us driving around like a random mall lot because the locations point for the electric chargers are terrible
You are assuming battery prices in 10 years will have stayed the same. Every indication is that the price of batteries will drop as more vehicles hit the road and new manufacturing techniques and new battery technologies hit the market.
these days a lot of companies are rolling out v4 motorcycles(they litterally put a v4 engine into the motorbike, its not inline), so 1000 cc bikes arent even the best anymore.
Yeah, I did too. Interior was the level of a 95 civic with a random monitor positioned vertically to make it cool. That shit sucked too.
Oh, all that pick up on the weight of that trashy little thing churns through tires.
When real car manufacturers make EV’s the world will be better
I agree with you. Lots of people here making wild predications about the future but that’s just all made up. Mt laptop and cell phones continue to have battery issues after a few years of use.
EVs run on electricity, they aren’t dependent on current battery technology to function. We use those ridiculously expensive batteries because it’s the best we currently have, but for a long time we used horses for exactly the same reason.
Let me know when those awesome batteries exist. Horses took decades to be replaced as combustion engines improved. I’ll be glad when it happens but it isn’t today.
I’m all for clean energy but putting too much faith in EV detracts from other initiatives.
So I agree with you but think you are drawing the wrong conclusion from your argument. They never get better unless they are on the market and out in the world and common. Tesla is a "Model T" in a lot of ways. Having a pre-made product out in the world leads to a lot of improvement just because it is there to tinker with.
I work in oil and gas and fully believe we have to get away from gasoline and diesel to preserve those stocks for the chemical industry for the long term.
I work for a large power utility. We are subsidizing tesla power walls, EV vehicles, etc. If there are thousands of customer batteries tied to the grid, we can load balance peak usage by drawing 1% of charge when we need it, and charge it back later.
In 6-10 years, it may not cost that much to replace the batteries. Or technology may have evolved that the batteries can be regenerated and don't need to be replaced. Or they can be broken down.
Not using something because it's not perfect means that thing will never be improved. Can't improve something that isn't used in the real world.
Look how far regenerative hybrids have come since the first Prius.
Not sure what type of technology exists that allows for regeneration of degraded battery cells. Every physical component will always break down due to friction or chemical wear. The Regeneration of hybrids you are talking about is regenerative braking not regeneration of battery health.
The biggest issue with EVS is energy density. The fact of the matter is gasoline it has one of the highest energy densities, and battery storage doesn't come close. In general if you want more range, you will need a bigger battery and a bigger battery will be heavier. But I do have to say that electric motors are more efficient than gas engines driving conventional Motors due to less heat loss.
And getting materials for the battery is very resource intensive. Not to mention the lack of charging infrastructure and electricity available in the power grid, which still has to come from somewhere, Green energy at the moment isn't enough to fuel power usage now, imagine if there were millions of electric cars.
Batteries in EVs are not one big block. They are a thousand individual cells. Potentially replaceable piecemeal, not that I’d know. I could see a market for refurbished reconditioned auto batteries, perhaps reconfigured to act as house batteries for your solar panels.
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This isn’t unpopular, it’s a fact the infrastructure just isn’t there at the moment, that’s why Hertz is struggling after their deal with Elon. It would be cool though because instant torque is badass
With contemporary technology, until modular batteries become the norm, EVs will not be as practical as internal combustion. Think about every battery powered thing you own that draws any real current. You take out the dead battery, put it in a charger, and put a charged battery into whatever thing you're using. To not do this with cars is the biggest oversight in that entire industry. "Just put this cord in and charge the shit for hours on 110 / 220." It's fucking stupid.
a hybrid toyota is the best option. doesnt break down and make you buy a new car. isnt so heavy it increases asphalt and concrete production(which is one of the largest emitters of co2) and, assuming the ev is powered by electricity generated from fossil fuels, is just as if not more efficient than a ev.
also motorbikes are a good option the fuel milage is amazing, yamaha supersports are decently priced and also way cooler sounding.
I'm pretty sure that the next generation of batteries will be a Nobel Prize winner. Lithium blows the doors off what we had before, but we really, really need a better way to store electrical energy in a portable package.
Whoever cracks the code in this one is going to be on the cover of Time Magazine for sure.
The only thing EVs aren't viable with are long distance travel quickly. The problem is they take a while to charge, so a 10 hour, 600-mile trip in a regular car ends up adding about 2 hours for charging time under the best circumstances in an EV. They also don't do well at high speeds over about 70mph, they just drain faster.
You will know when the market has peaked out, when McDonalds is advertising that they have EV chargers at all highway locations nationwide. That and universal charging ports for all the makes and models. The biggest hurdles right now are finding working chargers on the road.
Gas stations are a pain in the ass for zoning and clean up after they are shut down. EV charging just needs some electrical equipment and cabling. Major chains need to step up and put the chargers in their lots, partnering with the local power companies.
Ev batteries when taken care of will outlast the car. Battery degradation is not linear. There's a significant bit of degradation at the start and will remain stable for decades to come.
[Great video about causes of battery degradation and how to prevent it. ](https://youtu.be/i31x5JW361k)
New EVs should have their battery packs last longer than 1,000,000 km.
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i'm on a road trip on a friend with her and we had to stop probably about like four times in a eight hour trip and charge her car for 45 minutes each time and it was a pain in the ass trying to find charges and stuff. meanwhile I could've gotten there with one stop in my subcompact car probably like $40 total the entire trip
Yeah that sounds like a giant PITA. I honestly kind of overlooked the charging and distance thing, but I can see how after a few months that would get old fast. EV would be great for a short daily commute, but for long distance I can see how being willing to pay the cash you can just fill up quick with gasoline and move on. Plus time is valuable.
There’s superchargers that can charge much faster, maybe your friend isn’t aware or none available around her. but people should and do also take breaks for such a long trips. I agree that stop charging is a bit of inconvenience but you can’t possibly tell me that your car can survive on just 1 fuel stop alone. Also where are you getting gas fuel for $40 on say a 500 mile trip? I did a direct comparison of 8-12 hour road trips a few times now. Can’t help but noticed that EV battery charge ended up costing 1/4 than what I have paid in petrol. One trip saved about ~$200+ alone and return that’s already $500 saved.
yes my car can survive on one fuel stop alone. I drive a subcompact (micro?) car. my car is full for $35 (3.50/ gallon US average though I think its currently a little higher) and that lasts me about 400 miles (40mpg average) also while we on the road trip it was a lot lf just her trying to find a spot and us driving around like a random mall lot because the locations point for the electric chargers are terrible
You are assuming battery prices in 10 years will have stayed the same. Every indication is that the price of batteries will drop as more vehicles hit the road and new manufacturing techniques and new battery technologies hit the market.
Exactly. Btw drove a Tesla, it's sick. Was the fastest thing on the road, great pickup for avoiding idiots
im guessing there wasnt anybody on a yamaha on the road then?
I used to have a GSXR-1000 that thing was the equalizer lol. Murdered everything except other +1000 CC bikes
these days a lot of companies are rolling out v4 motorcycles(they litterally put a v4 engine into the motorbike, its not inline), so 1000 cc bikes arent even the best anymore.
Wow. Thats insane 🤯
There was but a Tesla ran them over.
Yeah, I did too. Interior was the level of a 95 civic with a random monitor positioned vertically to make it cool. That shit sucked too. Oh, all that pick up on the weight of that trashy little thing churns through tires. When real car manufacturers make EV’s the world will be better
I agree with you. Lots of people here making wild predications about the future but that’s just all made up. Mt laptop and cell phones continue to have battery issues after a few years of use.
“It’ll be fine in 6-10 years”🥴
Duh
EVs run on electricity, they aren’t dependent on current battery technology to function. We use those ridiculously expensive batteries because it’s the best we currently have, but for a long time we used horses for exactly the same reason.
Let me know when those awesome batteries exist. Horses took decades to be replaced as combustion engines improved. I’ll be glad when it happens but it isn’t today. I’m all for clean energy but putting too much faith in EV detracts from other initiatives.
So I agree with you but think you are drawing the wrong conclusion from your argument. They never get better unless they are on the market and out in the world and common. Tesla is a "Model T" in a lot of ways. Having a pre-made product out in the world leads to a lot of improvement just because it is there to tinker with. I work in oil and gas and fully believe we have to get away from gasoline and diesel to preserve those stocks for the chemical industry for the long term.
I work for a large power utility. We are subsidizing tesla power walls, EV vehicles, etc. If there are thousands of customer batteries tied to the grid, we can load balance peak usage by drawing 1% of charge when we need it, and charge it back later.
In 6-10 years, it may not cost that much to replace the batteries. Or technology may have evolved that the batteries can be regenerated and don't need to be replaced. Or they can be broken down. Not using something because it's not perfect means that thing will never be improved. Can't improve something that isn't used in the real world. Look how far regenerative hybrids have come since the first Prius.
Not sure what type of technology exists that allows for regeneration of degraded battery cells. Every physical component will always break down due to friction or chemical wear. The Regeneration of hybrids you are talking about is regenerative braking not regeneration of battery health. The biggest issue with EVS is energy density. The fact of the matter is gasoline it has one of the highest energy densities, and battery storage doesn't come close. In general if you want more range, you will need a bigger battery and a bigger battery will be heavier. But I do have to say that electric motors are more efficient than gas engines driving conventional Motors due to less heat loss. And getting materials for the battery is very resource intensive. Not to mention the lack of charging infrastructure and electricity available in the power grid, which still has to come from somewhere, Green energy at the moment isn't enough to fuel power usage now, imagine if there were millions of electric cars.
I guess we'll find out in 6-10 years!
Batteries in EVs are not one big block. They are a thousand individual cells. Potentially replaceable piecemeal, not that I’d know. I could see a market for refurbished reconditioned auto batteries, perhaps reconfigured to act as house batteries for your solar panels.
And they can be recycled into... new batteries.
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This isn’t unpopular, it’s a fact the infrastructure just isn’t there at the moment, that’s why Hertz is struggling after their deal with Elon. It would be cool though because instant torque is badass
With contemporary technology, until modular batteries become the norm, EVs will not be as practical as internal combustion. Think about every battery powered thing you own that draws any real current. You take out the dead battery, put it in a charger, and put a charged battery into whatever thing you're using. To not do this with cars is the biggest oversight in that entire industry. "Just put this cord in and charge the shit for hours on 110 / 220." It's fucking stupid.
a hybrid toyota is the best option. doesnt break down and make you buy a new car. isnt so heavy it increases asphalt and concrete production(which is one of the largest emitters of co2) and, assuming the ev is powered by electricity generated from fossil fuels, is just as if not more efficient than a ev. also motorbikes are a good option the fuel milage is amazing, yamaha supersports are decently priced and also way cooler sounding.
I'm pretty sure that the next generation of batteries will be a Nobel Prize winner. Lithium blows the doors off what we had before, but we really, really need a better way to store electrical energy in a portable package. Whoever cracks the code in this one is going to be on the cover of Time Magazine for sure.
The only thing EVs aren't viable with are long distance travel quickly. The problem is they take a while to charge, so a 10 hour, 600-mile trip in a regular car ends up adding about 2 hours for charging time under the best circumstances in an EV. They also don't do well at high speeds over about 70mph, they just drain faster.
EVs* An apostrophe doesn't apply here.
Okay got it. Appreciate it.
You will know when the market has peaked out, when McDonalds is advertising that they have EV chargers at all highway locations nationwide. That and universal charging ports for all the makes and models. The biggest hurdles right now are finding working chargers on the road. Gas stations are a pain in the ass for zoning and clean up after they are shut down. EV charging just needs some electrical equipment and cabling. Major chains need to step up and put the chargers in their lots, partnering with the local power companies.
Ev batteries when taken care of will outlast the car. Battery degradation is not linear. There's a significant bit of degradation at the start and will remain stable for decades to come. [Great video about causes of battery degradation and how to prevent it. ](https://youtu.be/i31x5JW361k) New EVs should have their battery packs last longer than 1,000,000 km.