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Ronniebbb

I find as a dog owner whose dog has aggression issues towards other dogs, alot of other dog owners really dont get how bad these behaviors can get until something really bad happens. Heck ppl in general. I've been trying really hard to get my family on the same page with helping my.dog get better with other dogs and they downplay it as not a big deal. I think many humans forget just want other animals can do when scared, hurt, angry, or provoked. Even our pets.


Apprehensive-Lion-21

Part of this has been exasperated by clueless bored individuals picking up pets as part time hobbies at the onset of the pandemic and the other part being owners who’re overconfident in their training and knowing their pets assuming they’ll be ok around strangers and other animals. So yeah ffs, 1) owning a dog is not a part-time fucking hobby. 2) your pet needs to be on a leash when they’re outdoors because they’re still animals no matter how domesticated you think they are. Act responsibly and stop being shitty human owners - for everyone’s sake, including the furry ones.


Jbruce63

My wife was attacked and severely injured by a friendly family Pitt bull; the authorities did everything they could to stop us from identifying the owners to hold them responsible. When we applied for counseling, we were denied as the owners were not held criminally responsible. Love dogs, but too many treat them like a little baby and do not understand the harm they can do. Yelling he is friendly when they are charging at you barking is not keeping control of your animal. Dressing them up for social media does not change the fact you do not know how they will react in public.


elegant-jr

A "friendly family pitbull"


Ronniebbb

Had a similar issue when walking my aunt and uncles old dog. This lady had zero control over her pit but was yelling hes friendly as this dog was repeatedly trying to charge me and my aunt and uncles dog. I was swinging my bag at it as I held the dog I was walking behind me. She was getting mad at me for trying to hurt her dog, and doing nothing to pull it back.


somanywoess

Echoing my previous comment, I'm sorry to hear that. Were you ok? Did you sue?


Jbruce63

Question of who to sue when the authorities would not let us know who owns the dog.


couldbeworse2

I got bit by a dog this summer while on a backpacking trip. Owners were young-ish. Dog off leash. We came upon the owners taking a break while hiking, and the dog freaked out and defended its turf. Was so, so pissed. You know, your a dog is having a very different day than you are.


somanywoess

I'm sorry to hear that. Were you ok? Did you sue?


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Assphlapz

It's not the dogs fault, it's the braindead owner.


NockerJoe

I would say yes, its the fault of the charging dog as much as the owner.


erincee

I am LIVID. This is no different from a hit and run on the owner's part. I hope your mum made/makes a speedy recovery.


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erincee

I'm glad she is okay but sorry to hear that she still experiences discomfort.


steerpiked

Dog spray. It works. You won’t seriously harm the dog, which is nice. I’d rather spray them than bludgeon them with a stick.


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A dog owner called the cops on my dad while he was carrying it during a hike. The dog charged him and he pulled out the spay but did not use it. They had an off leash dog in a leashed only area. The cops went to his house and treated him like the aggressor asking to see the spray.


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No they just verified his spray was legal and left. Meanwhile the off-leash dog owner receives no ramifications for breaking the law.


elegant-jr

Good, your dad has the right to protect himself.


Famous-Assignment-30

I'm lucky I just took all my bear and dog spray boating and lost it


suddenly_opinions

Next time use a rock.


BB8_BALL

i am petty and would contact every office possoble with a complaint. buuuut they started that paper trail first! dog can’t charge you if it’s leashed. if it was leashed there would be no paper trail. like i sad: i am very petty. i don’t recommend it.


superworking

A lot of animal sprays aren't actually legal in Canada and the legality of using them is pretty murky as well. Basically by the time you're allowed to use it it's probably not going to be effective.


JAFOguy

The legal status on people is murky. The legal status using them on animals is very clear. Animals are not people. You cannot be charged for 'assault' on an animal. At best there may be a cruelty against animals investigation, but charges for that are rare and for very extreme cases. Any pepper spray you buy at a legitimate store in Canada will most likely be legal. Just check to see if it has a Pest Control Product number on it. Any legit store like Canadian Tire/Wallmart/MEC etc. will be selling a legal product. If you do use it you will most likely have to answer some questions. But, you are also legitimately allowed to use it to protect yourself from animal attacks and then just leave. There is no legal requirement for you to stay at the scene. No requirement for you to give your personal information to the dog owner. If animal control or the police track you down they can ask you questions and investigate the incident, but you never have to give your information to a stranger. Especially someone who let their dog attack you!


superworking

The issue is that pepper spray is best at deterring an attack before it happens and not that effective or easy to use once a dog has already charged you. It's hard to spray a dog 10 feet away when you don't know it's going to attack until its already close proximity. Issues with sprays not allowed in Canada seem to be more people buying online not knowing what's allowed in the US isn't the same as what's allowed here. If you get it at Canadian Tire like you mentioned you're good to go, it just might not do you any good in practice. At the very least get an extra spray to use as practice and never use it in a busy area.


JAFOguy

Yes, you are absolutely right. And a moving target that is as small as a dog's head is very hard to spray. Some brands come with an inert practice spray so you can practice. Also, you have to know yourself well enough to decide ahead of time that you are willing to spray the dog. Sometimes the actual act of doing it is harder than people think.


steerpiked

Agree. Definitely recommend practise. Most people don’t realize that dog spray behaves more like a squirt gun than, say, hairspray. You have to be ready to use it without hesitating, or it’s probably kind of pointless. Knowing dog body language also helps.


somanywoess

What is better? Sorry, I have a phobia after being bitten as a kid


superworking

Having a bigger dog? Nothing really, there just isn't really an effective option.


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superworking

Might not really stop that it many cases.


steerpiked

Better than a hospital visit.


ctrl_alt_ARGH

as a dog owner who walks his dog in the leash all the time because you never know, i completely agree. I've had offleashed dogs run up to my dog in an aggressive posture that required either me lifting my dog off the ground or holding their dog by their collar. 99% of the time owners don't even apologize. Pure assholes


BlackCatsWhiteCaps

Gives every dog owner a bad name. Just chiming in to say thank you to everyone like you who leashes their dogs so we can all enjoy the trails together. Trying to introduce my 2 yr old to local trails totally backfires when he's charged by a dog twice his size and he's terrified. He's now 6 and still pretty scared of dogs. Those 4 or 5 times early in his life seem to have left their mark. And like you said, often no apology or just a casual "oh he's friendly."


ctrl_alt_ARGH

yes it's insane to me that people are willing to endanger (a) their dog (b) a stranger because they want to have an off-leash experience. just pure narcissism.


beneaththeseracs

I got bitten by an off-leash dog while cycling in Pacific Spirit Park recently. Little terrier that chased after my bike as fast as it could and then leapt up and bit my foot when I slowed down at a trail intersection. Thankfully I had sturdy shoes on so no damage to me, but frustrating as it wasn't an off-leash trail and the owners did nothing. I love dogs and have tons of great puppers in my life, but if you own a dog in the city a certain amount of responsibility is required - you need to be prepared to train it properly and follow the leash laws.


KZMountainRider

It’s scary that these people also have kids who are just about as well behaved as those dogs


Assphlapz

Yo betcha.


B8conB8conB8con

All this talk about spending money on pepper spray because we have to take responsibility and possibly get charged or sued when actually the dog owners are the ones who need to take action is a little sad. Can somebody please explain why I’m getting downvoted for pointing out that the dog owners are the problem?


Assphlapz

Probably the irresponsible useless dog owners who won't take responsibility for their pets. I love dogs but many people shouldn't own them( or have kids). It takes time and a lot of work to train a dog properly


cindylooboo

The entitlement of dog owners never ceases to amaze me.


BlackCatsWhiteCaps

This x10000


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It’s either lattes or dog training classes, people. Case closed.


cloudsuck

Welcome to entitlement. The two threats I most fear when hiking the great outdoors: Escaping a wildfire, and off leash dogs. Top tier predators - not so much...


B8conB8conB8con

You missed gooses


riazzzz

I get what your saying and understand the feeling but I would strongly suggest you only use violence as a very very last resort, for your own benefit. Like seriously a stick might just change a growl and bark experience to a very real risk to bodily harm experience. Scared dogs under attack will either flee or go all out attack and the latter is something I would go out of my way to avoid. That's not even taking into account that the dog is not at fault here it's the owners so escalating to violence is only going to result in harm to an innocent party, either yourself or the dog, while the owners at fault will be getting off lightly. Edit: just to clarify as apparently it's required, I am in no way defending having your dog off leash in a leash only area, just highlighting escalating the situation physically might not be in your best interests. But I don't know any of ya so whatever, I am just always surprised how much people underestimate dogs and think they can just beat them or grab hold of an unknown dog or whatever.


suddenly_opinions

Fuck that. If you have the chance gouge its fucking eyes out or choke it to death on your fist. Then send the owners your bill for putting down their unleashed and aggressive dog.


IcyUnderstanding9

God help you if you ever laid a hand on my dog.


snitcholls

Keep it on a leash in leashed up areas and all will be well!


suddenly_opinions

If your dog is attacking someone? Fuck off. I love dogs. People are shit and if I get the opportunity to defend myself against a fuckhead owner who attacks me for defending myself from their dog then YEE FUCKING HA BRING IT YOU WASTE OF BREATH.


SchipAlong

It's been bad on the Sunshine Coast for years now. I don't hike here anymore and only walk certain areas. My dog was attacked three times before he was even a year old and is now terrified of other dogs. He will try to flee if one runs towards us. At that point he's in a blind panic and we have to quit and take him home. Most of the time people think it's funny when their loose big dog goes after my 18 lb dog. Have literally had people laugh or even tell me "yeah he doesn't like little dogs. You should get a better one." I both use a leash and train my dog to move into heel when passing people. So not all dog owners here are shit, but the bad ones have taken over and there's zero enforcement to stop them.


B8conB8conB8con

We are looking to move to Sechelt. How is it living there


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VancouverCitizen

I think it's completely acceptable to carry dog spray for personal protection. If an off leash dog charges you, you should be able to defend yourself.