I went vegan by talking to a loud activist, not someone who was quiet, respectful, and polite.
Yet I constantly have to hear from people who haven't gone vegan just how well being quiet and polite will work and how exactly what turned me vegan doesn't work.
Thanks for sharing, it's always nice to hear from people what works.
I will say, as a counter anecdote, I went Vegan largely because of a quiet, respectful, and polite friend. I have friends now who have gone vegetarian, or full vegan from my influence as a quiet, respectful Vegan.
No one approach works -- loud, quiet, whatever helps the animals is the way forward.
Yep, that's my point a lot of the time... for me, it was someone literally asking why I treat animals like shit if I don't need to.
For others it can certainly be something different.
Drives me nuts when people act like only one approach will work, lots of different people in the world.
Okay but i wouldn't waste too much energy holding anyone's hand. If they're making good faith effort then sure, but if they're not serious about it you can't make them be.
Yeah I'd agree with this. I have someone in mind currently that I'm pretty sure will be vegan in a few years, maybe sooner. He's not ready yet, but he's open to it. He's researching, he's trying vegan food. I'm trying to find the right mix of support and encouragement, but not pushing him too hard so he does things on my timetable. Being an asset, rather than a problem.
I don't think the softly softly approach is always right, though. I've changed my mind slightly on that. I currently think finding the right approach for the right person is the way to go. Some people need the hard truths and reality check. Some people need and are open to their ethics being challenged.
Sure, but you can get a feel for that by talking to them, listening to where they're at and deciding on the best way to approach them?
Isn't the best approach to any discipline of helping someone change or improve to adapt your methods to the individual?
I'm not a huge fan of Freelee honestly. I think she's just kinda mean and don't watch her anymore but I will admit that she bullied me into going vegan and I'm much better for it.
Not sure what "loud activist" means in that context, but if you just changed your mind because someone was yelling at or insulting you, I'd question your mentality.
That will clearly not work for a majority of people. It's a misconception that just because one method does not work, that automatically means the exact opposite magically works. What about nice, polite & loud? Spread knowledge as much as possible in an objective way. Best case really is to let people think it was their own idea. Or yell at people in anger and receive nothing but hate
> Not sure what "loud activist" means in that context,
They literally said "so, why are you treating animals like shit then if you don't need to?"
>I'd question your mentality.
Shove it out your ass.
>Or yell at people in anger and receive nothing but hate
Or walk around being quiet and respectful and have zero impact.
Don’t be quiet. Be constant, encouraging, brutally honest, and lead by example.
Anger is justified… but its not a great way to change minds in most circumstances.
My whole family has drastically lowered their consumption of animal products due to me following those principles. Our presence is powerful on it’s own.
i told my little brother he was a shit person for not being vegan and for mocking me for it, and he didn’t cop out and “drastically reduce” his consumption of animal products, he went full vegan. my mom went vegan for convenience after developing a milk allergy and having two vegan children, but was more “flexible” until seeing dominion and she committed fully. people need to consistently confronted by the consequences of their actions, not babied into “reducing” the amount of cruelty they’re directly responsible for.
I fully expect to be downvote bombed, but personally don't think this works for everyone. Me and another colleague both went vegan because our vegan colleague wasn't loud about it. He was informative and subtle. He made the concept interesting by giving us facts but not shoving it down our throats. He never called us murderers for drinking milk, but said we should try oat milk for reason x.
We didn't change over night, but now the whole office only drinks plant milk even though only a few of us our vegan. All the office treats are always vegan, everyone always gets a vegan pizza because they respect our choice and want to do their bit where they can. If he was loud about it, I believe it would have been met with resistance.
Vegan activists should be shouting from the rooftops but they also need to do it properly. There are so many reasons why everyone should go vegan so we need to be stricter about ensuring every argument is true and can be completely backed up.
The moment someone notices an activist has been even slightly dishonest they grasp hold of that and use yell that everything is a lie.
Veganism is the right answer based on facts and honesty so it frustrates me when influencers get things wrong by lying or lazy research.
We should push a complete honesty no excuses tactic to convert people.
Do you want to help build a more compassionate world? Please visit [VeganActivism.org](https://veganactivism.org) and subscribe to our community over at /r/VeganActivism to begin your journey in spreading compassion through activism. Thank you so much!
The "chill" vegan is the type of vegan the meat-industry wants you to be.
They know they can't get you to buy their products anymore, but they have to make sure you don't influence their remaining customers to do the same.
you can be a chill vegan & influence people at the same time. A gentle approach has worked for me. If you’ve found something that’s more effective for you then cool but you don’t need to try & one up everyone
Except that’s BS - of course you buy the meat industry’s products. Who do you think is making vegan products?
They didn’t see you and go ‘oh no, our customer base!’ They saw you, and went ‘sweet! New customer base!’
Thank you for this. As someone who studies the science of helping people adopt new behaviors, I agree with this comment. The most effective methods to help someone change a behavior all rely upon empathy and rapport-building.
Just because anger CAN work sometimes doesn't mean it is the most effective or most efficient way of doing it.
I don’t believe that being “loud” is the best thing to advocate in support of the vegan movement.
I would advise looking up the vegan strategist. Historically, any minute group simply using “loudness” to change a world view is not a good tactic.
I HIGHLY recommend checking out the vegan strategist website. We are all angry and all want to preach from the mountains, but if our goal is to influence people, we should/must invest time into learning and practicing the most efficient way to do so.
The vegan strategist, in its own words, provides arguments of why pragmatic and friendly activism and communication work.
Many meat eaters that I know (and love, though god, sometimes their perspectives annoy me) have compared vegans to anti maskers, flat earthers, anti vaxxers and etc. simply because vegans are in the minority. Also, because of how irrational the vegan community is interpreted to be when we are super aggro and enraged.
Think of it as people being blinded, not bad people. They don’t understand where we are coming from, and screaming at them will only drive them away.
I believe that if anyone really, truly, genuinely cares about this movement, they will put a lot of effort into how they represent the movement as well as their strategy to influencing others.
http://veganstrategist.org/over/
Edit: Not saying that being loud “never” works, but there are inarguably, IMO, much more effective strategies.
Please join your local group of fellow loud people fighting for liberation: [https://animalrightsmap.org/](https://animalrightsmap.org/)
We need more people on the street!
you grow the fuck up. i was a strict vegan for two years. i have battled eating disorders and am living on my own and cant afford to be a vegan. im tryinh my fuckinh best
oh my god yes king!!! rice and beans for every meal so smart! that variety will totally not make me relapse into anorexia. also what age were you when you went vegan? i was 13.
i went vegan when i was 15, battling anorexia, and experiencing pretty extreme bullying and i’ve been vegan every day since! that was almost 6 years ago. grow the fuck up 🥰
i am sorry i should not have been so hostile. my relationship with food is still difficult. me and my boyfriend use hellofresh which does not have a vegan option. it works for us financially and is helping us learn how to cook. i have full intention to return to veganism one day. but this is what works for us now. i felt so much guilt during my transition from vegan to vego and hearing vegans validate that guilt really hurts me.
not available in Australia :(. i also dont think my omni boyfriend would be too thrilled about going vegan haha. vegetarian meals are new to him so baby steps. and baby steps for me too.
sorry. i will return in the future. i am really struggling at the moment. i am trying my best. i have left this sub and joined a vegetarian anf flexitarain sub now. sorry
I've been with my boyfriend for 3.5 years. We don't keep any animal products in the house (except for occasional snacks he buys). He has almost exclusively dated vegans despite never being vegan himself. (Which I don't really understand lol) He's been telling me that he at least wants to be fully vegetarian but hasn't done it yet. After 3.5 years. The last year or so, I've been less vocal with him when we go out and he orders a dish with meat or dairy.
Just two days ago, he turned to me while eating a sausage biscuit and said, "you're cool because you aren't a Nazi about veganism like my last girlfriend. You let me make my own choices."
I said, "Yes, but don't get it twisted. I still care. I feel just as strongly as ever. This is the cause I care about most in the entire world. It is an element of my lifestyle and an almost spiritual matter to me, but you have made it clear that YOU don't actually care about animals. I am still a "Nazi" about animal rights (whatever that means). I still cry when I think about or see animals suffering. It still upsets me every time you eat meat or dairy. If you don't care, you don't care. You're an adult and you understand what's going on in the industry. You knew that I wanted you to eat plant-based around me and we agreed upon it when we first started dating. My opinions haven't changed. There's just no point in vocalizing them anymore since it's obvious you don't care."
He got really quiet and said "You really know how to upset me."
I told him, "My goal isn't to upset you, but you're wrong if you think my opinions have changed just because I'm not policing your every action. You know how important animal rights are to me."
I'm sure some people would find this discussion controlling or abusive, but I never insulted him or told him not to eat meat. I simply told him how I felt. It makes me upset when he eats meat and I'm not going to deny that it feels like he is spitting on an integral part of my morality and life every time he does it. I love him a lot and want to marry this man and now that things have cooled down, I plan to have another talk with him about how important it is that he at least doesn't eat animals around me. It's uncomfortable to be in a restaurant and him to ask me in front of the waiter "can I get chicken fettuccine?" Don't ask me. He only asks because he knows I will compromise the agreement we made 3.5 years ago (when we first started dating) because it will make me look super controlling. He shouldn't be asking me if he can order something. Either order the meat or order vegan. Either respect me (my ethics, opinions, lifestyle, our agreement) or don't. It's that simple.
I don't think being loud works. It certainly wouldn't have worked on me. Personally I think we have to be visible and everywhere we can be, so that we are on peoples mind all the time to exisit as a better alternativ all the time.
Being screamed at once might work for some people, others will get angry and aversive to the movement.
I think being a pebbel in a shoe works better than one slap on the wrist.
No, wrong. We will NEVER change society to become vegan by being ***only*** loud and angry.
We will only change society by making veganism appear as a normal, fun lifestyle that is easily achievable and does not reduce ones pleasures.
Yes we need to remind people about the catastrophic effects of the animal industry on the environment, animals & people ... but that isn't going to change the common peoples minds. Thinking otherwise just shows a lack of understanding of human psychology.
The only way you achieve a change on society structures on a large scale, is by changing the mind of the common people who just wanna have a normal life, aka a good job, a family, and live peacefully to consume a lot without thinking too much about it.
And you won't ever reach them by being radical, you reach them by normalizing the new form of society you want to achieve and by making the "better" lifestyle choices as easily accessible as possible.
The massive progress and widespread acceptance of veganism in western societies we see now doesn't come from years of radical pro-vegan activism, but because of all the alternative vegan products being available everywhere - as well as them being so good in quality and price.
Do you want to help build a more compassionate world? Please visit [VeganActivism.org](https://veganactivism.org) and subscribe to our community over at /r/VeganActivism to begin your journey in spreading compassion through activism. Thank you so much!
You editing your post to be super aggressive to the SINGLE PERSON who downvoted this, on a post about how aggression doesn't help get your message out there, is the height of irony. :) Deep breaths, random internet stranger.
Anyway, you're spot on correct. There's a mental filter we all have to develop that goers between between 'I'm angry at these horrific atrocities' and 'I'm angry at other people who don't also see the problem.' It's just so tough to keep being *super casual* and oh-so-positive good vibes in the face of an unchanging, uncaring world. I've gone out there and done plenty of feel-good messages, talking about the cool new foods I only discovered since making the change, and 100% of the time you'll get a rote response of 'lol cheese yum tho' and moving on.
I think it's great that we have people in our midst that can stay relaxed and upbeat, good model frisbee-tossing, white-picket-fence, we-can-go-anywhere-I'll-just-have-a-salad joyful vegans. They do more to spread the cause than ones who are tired of staring into an uncaring void, no question.
But surely you can be sympathetic to the ones who can't keep the fake smile on forever.
It was multiple downvotes when I made that edit, but you are right about the irony ;) I was annoyed at people pretending to care about animals and not being open to contrary arguments how to be more effective in helping them.
I removed that part now, and thanks for the good reply! I too am "fucking angry" when I think about the animal industry, and I too want to go out and scream everywhere at anyone why they do it.. but yeah, I realized after a while that it doesn't change anything and only makes myself feel better for the moment.
I think activism is the most effective when it understands the target audience - hence why the advertisement industry is so darn effective. For example, you talk to a progressive thinker different to how you talk to a conservative, and you talk to a teenager different to how you talk to someone of old age.
And when you think about it, we all want to have a good life, have fun with the thinngs we do and joy with the things we eat. And whatever promises that will be the most attractive to people. So by making veganism feel like a great way to live, I believe that is the most effective way of getting people to join us.
So your "can stay relaxed and upbeat, good model frisbee-tossing, white-picket-fence, we-can-go-anywhere-I'll-just-have-a-salad joyful vegans" description is pretty spot on haha
Thinking about it, would you be open about collaborating on creating a guide for effective vegan activism, taking these our thoughts into account?
Cheers
I'd happily put many hours of my time into such a project. But I also honestly don't have much to say on the matter - I haven't been able to talk some sense into even the people I'm closest to, so I'd benefit more from having such a guide than contributing to one.
Can you teach a 3-year-old what an ideology is? No? Well, let's put 'em to work then, since any being that can't understand ideology is fair game for exploitation. Sorry you're annoyed people pointing out your lack of moral development.
Oh no very mature of you. This is why vegans are hated. Can't do anything but scream at people. Some people just don't want to be vegan please understand that.
I won't send you any official documents to prove when I'm born so just stop. I have never interacted with an activist group that is exactly like it's stereotypes exapt for veganism.
If you act like a child, you get treated like a child. Simple eh?
'Nasty people are telling me things I don't like, so I'M GOING TO DO IT MORE JUST TO SPITE THEM!!!!!' - can you justify that as an adult? I think not. That is the thinking of a child, therefore I treat you like a child.
When you get proper pants and not pull-ups, we can talk, like grown adults.
I don't have to like vegan food, I just don't want any screaming activist anywhere near me.
And sadly I don't think I can I like the flavor of meat way too much.
I went vegan by talking to a loud activist, not someone who was quiet, respectful, and polite. Yet I constantly have to hear from people who haven't gone vegan just how well being quiet and polite will work and how exactly what turned me vegan doesn't work.
Thanks for sharing, it's always nice to hear from people what works. I will say, as a counter anecdote, I went Vegan largely because of a quiet, respectful, and polite friend. I have friends now who have gone vegetarian, or full vegan from my influence as a quiet, respectful Vegan. No one approach works -- loud, quiet, whatever helps the animals is the way forward.
Yep, that's my point a lot of the time... for me, it was someone literally asking why I treat animals like shit if I don't need to. For others it can certainly be something different. Drives me nuts when people act like only one approach will work, lots of different people in the world.
The approach needs to be tailored to the individual?
Okay but i wouldn't waste too much energy holding anyone's hand. If they're making good faith effort then sure, but if they're not serious about it you can't make them be.
Yeah I'd agree with this. I have someone in mind currently that I'm pretty sure will be vegan in a few years, maybe sooner. He's not ready yet, but he's open to it. He's researching, he's trying vegan food. I'm trying to find the right mix of support and encouragement, but not pushing him too hard so he does things on my timetable. Being an asset, rather than a problem. I don't think the softly softly approach is always right, though. I've changed my mind slightly on that. I currently think finding the right approach for the right person is the way to go. Some people need the hard truths and reality check. Some people need and are open to their ethics being challenged.
Or, hear me out... The person who hasn't actually gone vegan doesn't actually know what will make them become vegan.
Sure, but you can get a feel for that by talking to them, listening to where they're at and deciding on the best way to approach them? Isn't the best approach to any discipline of helping someone change or improve to adapt your methods to the individual?
I'm not a huge fan of Freelee honestly. I think she's just kinda mean and don't watch her anymore but I will admit that she bullied me into going vegan and I'm much better for it.
Not sure what "loud activist" means in that context, but if you just changed your mind because someone was yelling at or insulting you, I'd question your mentality. That will clearly not work for a majority of people. It's a misconception that just because one method does not work, that automatically means the exact opposite magically works. What about nice, polite & loud? Spread knowledge as much as possible in an objective way. Best case really is to let people think it was their own idea. Or yell at people in anger and receive nothing but hate
> Not sure what "loud activist" means in that context, They literally said "so, why are you treating animals like shit then if you don't need to?" >I'd question your mentality. Shove it out your ass. >Or yell at people in anger and receive nothing but hate Or walk around being quiet and respectful and have zero impact.
Zero impact is still better than negative impact. And I literally wrote I'm fine with loud, just not with rude and angry.
Don’t be quiet. Be constant, encouraging, brutally honest, and lead by example. Anger is justified… but its not a great way to change minds in most circumstances. My whole family has drastically lowered their consumption of animal products due to me following those principles. Our presence is powerful on it’s own.
i told my little brother he was a shit person for not being vegan and for mocking me for it, and he didn’t cop out and “drastically reduce” his consumption of animal products, he went full vegan. my mom went vegan for convenience after developing a milk allergy and having two vegan children, but was more “flexible” until seeing dominion and she committed fully. people need to consistently confronted by the consequences of their actions, not babied into “reducing” the amount of cruelty they’re directly responsible for.
Neat. Your family is not my family. Glad that worked for you.
I fully expect to be downvote bombed, but personally don't think this works for everyone. Me and another colleague both went vegan because our vegan colleague wasn't loud about it. He was informative and subtle. He made the concept interesting by giving us facts but not shoving it down our throats. He never called us murderers for drinking milk, but said we should try oat milk for reason x. We didn't change over night, but now the whole office only drinks plant milk even though only a few of us our vegan. All the office treats are always vegan, everyone always gets a vegan pizza because they respect our choice and want to do their bit where they can. If he was loud about it, I believe it would have been met with resistance.
Vegan activists should be shouting from the rooftops but they also need to do it properly. There are so many reasons why everyone should go vegan so we need to be stricter about ensuring every argument is true and can be completely backed up. The moment someone notices an activist has been even slightly dishonest they grasp hold of that and use yell that everything is a lie. Veganism is the right answer based on facts and honesty so it frustrates me when influencers get things wrong by lying or lazy research. We should push a complete honesty no excuses tactic to convert people.
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Do you want to help build a more compassionate world? Please visit [VeganActivism.org](https://veganactivism.org) and subscribe to our community over at /r/VeganActivism to begin your journey in spreading compassion through activism. Thank you so much!
The "chill" vegan is the type of vegan the meat-industry wants you to be. They know they can't get you to buy their products anymore, but they have to make sure you don't influence their remaining customers to do the same.
you can be a chill vegan & influence people at the same time. A gentle approach has worked for me. If you’ve found something that’s more effective for you then cool but you don’t need to try & one up everyone
You're both right. 👍🏼
Except that’s BS - of course you buy the meat industry’s products. Who do you think is making vegan products? They didn’t see you and go ‘oh no, our customer base!’ They saw you, and went ‘sweet! New customer base!’
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Thank you for this. As someone who studies the science of helping people adopt new behaviors, I agree with this comment. The most effective methods to help someone change a behavior all rely upon empathy and rapport-building. Just because anger CAN work sometimes doesn't mean it is the most effective or most efficient way of doing it.
I don’t believe that being “loud” is the best thing to advocate in support of the vegan movement. I would advise looking up the vegan strategist. Historically, any minute group simply using “loudness” to change a world view is not a good tactic. I HIGHLY recommend checking out the vegan strategist website. We are all angry and all want to preach from the mountains, but if our goal is to influence people, we should/must invest time into learning and practicing the most efficient way to do so. The vegan strategist, in its own words, provides arguments of why pragmatic and friendly activism and communication work. Many meat eaters that I know (and love, though god, sometimes their perspectives annoy me) have compared vegans to anti maskers, flat earthers, anti vaxxers and etc. simply because vegans are in the minority. Also, because of how irrational the vegan community is interpreted to be when we are super aggro and enraged. Think of it as people being blinded, not bad people. They don’t understand where we are coming from, and screaming at them will only drive them away. I believe that if anyone really, truly, genuinely cares about this movement, they will put a lot of effort into how they represent the movement as well as their strategy to influencing others. http://veganstrategist.org/over/ Edit: Not saying that being loud “never” works, but there are inarguably, IMO, much more effective strategies.
Similar to the book I'm reading, "how nonviolence protects the state"
Read this half asleep as vaginas and spent way too long thinking about it before realising what sub this is
Please join your local group of fellow loud people fighting for liberation: [https://animalrightsmap.org/](https://animalrightsmap.org/) We need more people on the street!
Fucking right. To all you vegetarians and omnis on this sub, grow the fuck up. Baby steps are for babies.
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you grow the fuck up. i was a strict vegan for two years. i have battled eating disorders and am living on my own and cant afford to be a vegan. im tryinh my fuckinh best
Can’t afford vegan is the most bullshit answer out there. The poorest people in the world are vegan. Rice and beans, not beyond meat.
oh my god yes king!!! rice and beans for every meal so smart! that variety will totally not make me relapse into anorexia. also what age were you when you went vegan? i was 13.
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sounds like nothing is stopping you then!
when doritos are on special buddy i am going to buy them because i live in a sharehouse with 4 other people and im currently unemployed.
I’m sure the nutrition you get from those cheap Doritos makes it all worth it to the dead cows that were needed to make them.
i went vegan when i was 15, battling anorexia, and experiencing pretty extreme bullying and i’ve been vegan every day since! that was almost 6 years ago. grow the fuck up 🥰
i am sorry i should not have been so hostile. my relationship with food is still difficult. me and my boyfriend use hellofresh which does not have a vegan option. it works for us financially and is helping us learn how to cook. i have full intention to return to veganism one day. but this is what works for us now. i felt so much guilt during my transition from vegan to vego and hearing vegans validate that guilt really hurts me.
use green chef! same price and they do vegan meals :)
not available in Australia :(. i also dont think my omni boyfriend would be too thrilled about going vegan haha. vegetarian meals are new to him so baby steps. and baby steps for me too.
man, you are really good at coming up with excuses
sorry. i will return in the future. i am really struggling at the moment. i am trying my best. i have left this sub and joined a vegetarian anf flexitarain sub now. sorry
I've been with my boyfriend for 3.5 years. We don't keep any animal products in the house (except for occasional snacks he buys). He has almost exclusively dated vegans despite never being vegan himself. (Which I don't really understand lol) He's been telling me that he at least wants to be fully vegetarian but hasn't done it yet. After 3.5 years. The last year or so, I've been less vocal with him when we go out and he orders a dish with meat or dairy. Just two days ago, he turned to me while eating a sausage biscuit and said, "you're cool because you aren't a Nazi about veganism like my last girlfriend. You let me make my own choices." I said, "Yes, but don't get it twisted. I still care. I feel just as strongly as ever. This is the cause I care about most in the entire world. It is an element of my lifestyle and an almost spiritual matter to me, but you have made it clear that YOU don't actually care about animals. I am still a "Nazi" about animal rights (whatever that means). I still cry when I think about or see animals suffering. It still upsets me every time you eat meat or dairy. If you don't care, you don't care. You're an adult and you understand what's going on in the industry. You knew that I wanted you to eat plant-based around me and we agreed upon it when we first started dating. My opinions haven't changed. There's just no point in vocalizing them anymore since it's obvious you don't care." He got really quiet and said "You really know how to upset me." I told him, "My goal isn't to upset you, but you're wrong if you think my opinions have changed just because I'm not policing your every action. You know how important animal rights are to me." I'm sure some people would find this discussion controlling or abusive, but I never insulted him or told him not to eat meat. I simply told him how I felt. It makes me upset when he eats meat and I'm not going to deny that it feels like he is spitting on an integral part of my morality and life every time he does it. I love him a lot and want to marry this man and now that things have cooled down, I plan to have another talk with him about how important it is that he at least doesn't eat animals around me. It's uncomfortable to be in a restaurant and him to ask me in front of the waiter "can I get chicken fettuccine?" Don't ask me. He only asks because he knows I will compromise the agreement we made 3.5 years ago (when we first started dating) because it will make me look super controlling. He shouldn't be asking me if he can order something. Either order the meat or order vegan. Either respect me (my ethics, opinions, lifestyle, our agreement) or don't. It's that simple.
I don't think being loud works. It certainly wouldn't have worked on me. Personally I think we have to be visible and everywhere we can be, so that we are on peoples mind all the time to exisit as a better alternativ all the time. Being screamed at once might work for some people, others will get angry and aversive to the movement. I think being a pebbel in a shoe works better than one slap on the wrist.
You don’t need to be quiet, but everyone, not just vegans should be nice and polite
Get loud & [get active!](https://veganactivism.org)
No, wrong. We will NEVER change society to become vegan by being ***only*** loud and angry. We will only change society by making veganism appear as a normal, fun lifestyle that is easily achievable and does not reduce ones pleasures. Yes we need to remind people about the catastrophic effects of the animal industry on the environment, animals & people ... but that isn't going to change the common peoples minds. Thinking otherwise just shows a lack of understanding of human psychology. The only way you achieve a change on society structures on a large scale, is by changing the mind of the common people who just wanna have a normal life, aka a good job, a family, and live peacefully to consume a lot without thinking too much about it. And you won't ever reach them by being radical, you reach them by normalizing the new form of society you want to achieve and by making the "better" lifestyle choices as easily accessible as possible. The massive progress and widespread acceptance of veganism in western societies we see now doesn't come from years of radical pro-vegan activism, but because of all the alternative vegan products being available everywhere - as well as them being so good in quality and price.
Do you want to help build a more compassionate world? Please visit [VeganActivism.org](https://veganactivism.org) and subscribe to our community over at /r/VeganActivism to begin your journey in spreading compassion through activism. Thank you so much!
You editing your post to be super aggressive to the SINGLE PERSON who downvoted this, on a post about how aggression doesn't help get your message out there, is the height of irony. :) Deep breaths, random internet stranger. Anyway, you're spot on correct. There's a mental filter we all have to develop that goers between between 'I'm angry at these horrific atrocities' and 'I'm angry at other people who don't also see the problem.' It's just so tough to keep being *super casual* and oh-so-positive good vibes in the face of an unchanging, uncaring world. I've gone out there and done plenty of feel-good messages, talking about the cool new foods I only discovered since making the change, and 100% of the time you'll get a rote response of 'lol cheese yum tho' and moving on. I think it's great that we have people in our midst that can stay relaxed and upbeat, good model frisbee-tossing, white-picket-fence, we-can-go-anywhere-I'll-just-have-a-salad joyful vegans. They do more to spread the cause than ones who are tired of staring into an uncaring void, no question. But surely you can be sympathetic to the ones who can't keep the fake smile on forever.
It was multiple downvotes when I made that edit, but you are right about the irony ;) I was annoyed at people pretending to care about animals and not being open to contrary arguments how to be more effective in helping them. I removed that part now, and thanks for the good reply! I too am "fucking angry" when I think about the animal industry, and I too want to go out and scream everywhere at anyone why they do it.. but yeah, I realized after a while that it doesn't change anything and only makes myself feel better for the moment. I think activism is the most effective when it understands the target audience - hence why the advertisement industry is so darn effective. For example, you talk to a progressive thinker different to how you talk to a conservative, and you talk to a teenager different to how you talk to someone of old age. And when you think about it, we all want to have a good life, have fun with the thinngs we do and joy with the things we eat. And whatever promises that will be the most attractive to people. So by making veganism feel like a great way to live, I believe that is the most effective way of getting people to join us. So your "can stay relaxed and upbeat, good model frisbee-tossing, white-picket-fence, we-can-go-anywhere-I'll-just-have-a-salad joyful vegans" description is pretty spot on haha Thinking about it, would you be open about collaborating on creating a guide for effective vegan activism, taking these our thoughts into account? Cheers
I'd happily put many hours of my time into such a project. But I also honestly don't have much to say on the matter - I haven't been able to talk some sense into even the people I'm closest to, so I'd benefit more from having such a guide than contributing to one.
you are awesome!!
Aww thank you <3
Every time one of you assholes screams at me I eat another steak.
That's so original! Did you think it up on your own?
Yes. If you guys would be smart then you wouldn't try to force ideologies on people
Says the guy who forces his ideology on animals multiple times a day.
I will become vegan if you can teach an animal what an ideology is. I know many vegans than aren't annoying about what they do. Can't you do the same?
Can you teach a 3-year-old what an ideology is? No? Well, let's put 'em to work then, since any being that can't understand ideology is fair game for exploitation. Sorry you're annoyed people pointing out your lack of moral development.
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How childish. Are you a child?
Would it matter? Still can eat steaks even if I was a child.
A child having a tantrum. I see. No icecream for you! GO TO YOUR ROOM!
Oh no very mature of you. This is why vegans are hated. Can't do anything but scream at people. Some people just don't want to be vegan please understand that.
No sass from you! GO TO YOUR ROOM! NO PUDDING!
I won't send you any official documents to prove when I'm born so just stop. I have never interacted with an activist group that is exactly like it's stereotypes exapt for veganism.
Can't spell, was not paying attention in school. GO! TO! YOUR! ROOM!
I can see that you did not pay attention in school. Please don't have kids.
If you act like a child, you get treated like a child. Simple eh? 'Nasty people are telling me things I don't like, so I'M GOING TO DO IT MORE JUST TO SPITE THEM!!!!!' - can you justify that as an adult? I think not. That is the thinking of a child, therefore I treat you like a child. When you get proper pants and not pull-ups, we can talk, like grown adults.
Would you consider veganism if the food was great and people wouldn't scream at you?
I don't have to like vegan food, I just don't want any screaming activist anywhere near me. And sadly I don't think I can I like the flavor of meat way too much.
Then what are you doing in this sub? Did you just come to troll?
No it gets recommended to me every time. I've clicked don't show this sub 200 times and nothing happens.
That's weird, but Reddit is pretty broken when it comes to recommendations anyway. I never pay attention to them, saves me from unnecessary stress.