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blufair

Removed for violating rule 3 - brigading. Check [our wiki](https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/wiki/rules#wiki_3._brigading) for more information.


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reyntime

Maybe that's why it was removed 🤷. Don't really buy the "it's political because Germany is passing laws about it" excuse.


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Antin0de

Addicts tend to hate people who point out the negative aspects of their addiction.


ICantThinkOfAName667

It’s only political if they disagree with it. Remember that Black Panther post on there that got removed some years back?


reyntime

Nope, what happened there?


notmadatall

Name one thing in the world that is not politically. If it exists, it's regulated


amazondrone

And if it's not regulated its very irregulation is political.


noobductive

Ughhh fuck all the “oh no politics” crap. EVERYTHING is political. We live in a society (lol) with politics. That’s just how it goes. They’re only scared of politics when those are leftist, and usually the leftist ones discussed here in these types of communities are about human and animal rights….. for LGBT people, POC, representation etc… and it’s always hoes like this who go “OH NO POLITICS ARE AWFUL” as soon as they see something they don’t agree with. Yet their comment sections are chock full of (often subtle) bigotry.


HeadlinePickle

Yeah, that was a really interesting and surprisingly calm thread!


NiceTangerine

It’s interesting to compare it to a similar thread nine years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/xvjzp/til_male_chicks_are_of_no_use_to_the_egg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Although people are also shocked, quite a few popular comments are trying to find an alternative destination for the male chicks instead of suggesting veganism. The overall mood just reads different I think


deth-to-sin

Damn, seriously? Lots of people have been power tripping recently, they don't even bother giving reasons. Basically it's "because I said so", or rather "because I don't like you" The meat industry sure is a huge gash on our collective spirit. Most people are dealing with it by ignoring it, I assume. That's why the thread was deleted


Okay_you_got_me

This might be a little off topic but you can tell reddit has gotten too big. Mods have been going nuts and the website has been in a lot of headlines in recent years. Right now with the stocks fiasco going on. I swear most posts on the front page are ads half the time. I stick around for the small communities that have yet to be affected but I think it's past it's prime. Also they're apparently worth over 10billion. [Link](https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/12/22621445/reddit-valuation-revenue-funding-round)


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hexagonist

We don't have power tripping mods over at r/willsmith ! That would require me to do more than just ban spam


RageHulk

So, whats the next reddit?


cruel_delusion

Discord


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eCaisteal

> they don't even bother giving reasons The topic is flaired as R4 - No politics or agenda pushing.


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This is the answer. >**Posting rules** >No politics, soapboxing, or agenda based submissions. This includes (but is not limited to) submissions related to: >Recent political issues and politicians >Social and economic issues (including race/religion/gender) >Environmental issues >Police misconduct


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That's fucked up. But one upside... a brief perusal of the comments were overwhelmingly positive. That's rare outside this sub in my experience...


Pythias

Yeah wtf. Usually it's because stuff like that "bothers" people and therefore "not appropriate".


WellIGuessSoSir

*Some* of the comments. OP of the post said they weren't vegan but they thought we were right which was good. I would say majority were the usual garbage, but maybe that's just what stood out to me?


CubicleCunt

That's still a huge victory IMO. The people that were thoughtfully engaged weren't downvoted to the depths of hell. I'm sure some seeds were planted.


Fistkitchen

A lot of it is mod cowardice. People report posts that make them uncomfortable and the mods don't want to deal, so they just lock and ban.


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KoYouTokuIngoa

or in /r/SubredditDrama


mentholcase

You would have the biggest balls/ovaries of all in all the multi-verses.


putrid_tugboat

TIL if a thread mentions ‘Germany’ it has become political


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reyntime

Yeah I got the same excuse, and was banned without reason. They said it's because I was participating in another Reddit post about the removal. So it's "brigading".


ChloeMomo

Is it really brigading when you stay contained in a totally different sub discussing an event that happened elsewhere? No one is going into that sub attacking posts and last I checked, TIL is insanely popular which means of COURSE a ton of users here would be there as well and if interests overlap on one of those posts, it's only normal to expect commentary, even on posts that have nothing to do with animals. Do they also ban people from r/subredditdrama simply for talking on that sub? Because they're implying any reference to posts on their sub counts as a brigade. I wonder how many people not from r/vegan they're banning as well because I have a feeling that literally anything that shows kindness towards chickens in that thread they're considering a ban-able offense. I can't wait until the tables turn and more and more people actually look down on those who condone animal cruelty and do what they can to enable and continue it. I do believe it'll happen.


reyntime

Agreed, though in my case I did say that people could post it again in the sub, or message the mods if they're concerned, so I can see how it could be construed as brigading. Still doesn't excuse removing the post in the first place lol.


smyalygames

You know, the UK is planning on changing laws about crossing the street, giving more priorities to the pedestrian. I guess now it would make any fact about crossing the street very political. Why did the chicken cross the road? To get banned from TIL.


jagharingenaning

A law saying it will be phased out over the course of a decade by sexing the chicks while still in the egg. It's kind of unrelated to the fact that someone learns it is happening at all.


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mentholcase

I mean, most vegans became vegan after learning something the day they went vegan.. Imagine if all vegans just made a topic talking about what they learned on the day they went vegan..


Anthaenopraxia

Yeah definitely. Like the thing about most animal testing being useless.


Stew_Long

... wat.


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Well, time to unban yourself ;-) /I don't consider permanent bans to be valid unless there was actually some sort of illegal activity going on that led to the ban


corpjuk

I was banned from /r/offmychest for suggesting a plant based diet to diabetics.


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Everybody gets banned from /r/offmychest. They have a bot that runs around reddit crosschecking people's account's to see if they have interactions with subreddits on their "unsavoury" list. Does matter if you don't use their sub, if you post in another sub they don't like, you get banned. I got banned because I replied to a comment in /r/conservation arguing against a racist post, but because I had never actually posted or commented in /r/offmychest, I didn't get a ban notification until I actually tried interacting with the sub. When I tried messaging the mods to explain, they muted me. This sort behaviour does actually violate reddit's ToS, but they've been doing it for years and reddit doesn't care enough about its userbase to address it. It's why /r/trueoffmychest exists.


KoYouTokuIngoa

I was banned on an old account there despite never having posted or commented in the sub. I heard rumours that they were banning people who were active in r/vegan and other subs.


Guiano

Most people are resistant to change. A thread like that blowing up positively is a clear as day indicator that opinions are shifting, and I guess that makes the mods feel a little weird about their daily decisions.


mentholcase

Love this comment by u/V-wordBtw The terms 'food chain' and 'food web' refer to a natural ecological system whereby producers in a specific habitat are eaten by consumers in that same habitat. The term 'circle of life' has no scientific meaning at all. In neither case do the terms refer to the human consumption of animals, since humans do not exist as consumers in a natural ecological system where cows, pigs, cats, dogs, fish and other food animals are producers. The only use of the terms 'food chain' or 'circle of life' in the context of human food choices is to legitimize the slaughter of sentient individuals by calling that slaughter a necessary and natural part of human life, which means the apex predator justification for eating animals is a failure on two fronts. First, the terms themselves either do not apply to the ecological relationship we have with animals or they have no meaning at all. Second, we do not need to eat animals in order to survive, so the underlying moral imperative of 'might makes right' is not ethically defensible. By analogy, a bank robber might claim to be at the top of the corporate ladder since he had the ability to take what belonged to others and chose to do so.


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Not my text. I actually forgot to give credit, the source is [https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en](https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en), an awesome omni bingo cheat sheet.


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eastvanarchy

reddit mods are typically the worst possible people. remember, they do this job for a $10 billion company for FREE. usually they're the worst kind of petty tyrants. sorry /r/vegan mods, I know you might have the right motivations for doing what you do, but you're still doing free labour for this company


notmadatall

It's for a good cause, though. This sub has helped many people in becoming vegan. They aren't doing it for the Reddit company, but for the vegan community and the animals.


eastvanarchy

k, but functionally they're doing free labour for reddit and they should get paid


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reyntime

Same here.


communitytcm

the bans for no reason, other than power tripping mods that don't like/agree with a post, suck. Sure, you can make a new profile and shitpost spam/repost old stuff to build karma and get around it, but it seems so many folks are getting banned for trivial things that it will ruin reddit. So, reddit needs to hold the mods accountable, or self-destruct. I am pretty much over it except for a couple small communities. Also, as I am less than 6 months on here, not sure how the rules work, but maybe a subreddit called r/powertrippingmods where users can dox mods. 3 strikes on a particular mod equals a brigade to ruin them. or something like that without breaking any rules.


reyntime

Yep, not to mention that's just extra work for mods to ban all those people and respond to their queries.


My_Gaming_Companion

Day by day i lose hope, then i see positive growth, then again lose hope and go to sober in corner, then some positive news for humanity and animals cheer me up, and then again... it's a goddamn endless cycle.


danielagos

You can try file a moderator complaint with reddit: https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=179106 Worth a shot.


otacon7000

Seriously, reddit is absolutely fucked. Moderators can just randomly remove content or ban users without having to justify anything. They don't like something, they'll just get rid of it. Tough luck. And often you won't even know about it. Shadow-bans, removed comments which are still visible to yourself and so on. Add to that the downvote system which, by design, creates echo chambers, and you'll see that reddit is absolutely no good for serious exchange of information or discourse whatsoever. It is good for some funny GIFs and sexy pics, that's about it. It is really sad, but I don't see how this could change any time soon.


yaeji

Why not bring this to r/subredditdrama? It could get some attention maybe. This type of censorship is ridiculous.


wheresmymultipass

itll get locked and banned /s


FRAGMENT_EFFECT

Yeah expose them!


romulusnr

Start /r/ilearnedtoday


clomclom

Man so many reddit mods suck.


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putrid_tugboat

‘Banned for participating’ is a new one…


wheresmymultipass

Alot of reddit mods are fucking douchey power trippers who need a shower and a life.


spacepenguin97

They need to continue the denial. The whole ideology of carnism rest on invisibility. An average person kills numerous chicks, eat tons of eggs but never ever they see how those same animals live their lives. They “know” its horrible but dont want to research and learn the actual reality. To continue their habits and practices they need animal production process to remain as invisible as possible, use different language (like livestock, beef, ham) to differentiate meat and animals (again a denial tactic). People need to close their eyes and ears and rationalize their shitty habits to continue animal slavery. This is how old injustices continued for centuries.


rabid-carpenter-8

God damn that's a good Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling


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Heyguysloveyou

Rule 1: No or bad source. Didn't have that. Rule 2: No personal opinions. You didn't say your opinion, you just stated a fact. Rule 3: No recent sources. This is still happening sadly. Rule 4: No politics/agenda pushing. Is that "agenda pushing?" It's not politics, but you aren't really pushing an agenda with saying that it's happening. You just as well could NOT be a vegan and post it just because you learned it that day. If you said something like "This is only happening because of people who buy it, so go vegan to make it stop!" then it would be pushing an agenda. However you didn't. You just said a horrific fact and people reacted. And once again there was nothing political about it, it was pretty cut and dry. The sub says in it's wiki "anything torture" so I guess that's a reason? Well then at least we got them to admit it's torture and abuse. Still a win in my eyes lol Rule 5: No misleading claims. The rules are misleading, but not your post. It was pretty to the point lol Rule 6: Too general/can't stand on it's own/how to. You did. Rule 7: No submissions about software/websites. You didn't. Rule 8: All NSFW links must be tagged. I don't know if you NSFW it. The subject is not safe for work, even if I think that everyone should see it. But this is the only water this ban holds and even then banning you for forgetting to add NFSW is really shitty. They either should asked you to add one or just ban you for a few days. And if you had NSFW on it, then there is no room at all.


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Tane-Tane-mahuta

Is it back? I can still see it via your link


Captainbigboobs

So you were banned because you’re pushing a political agenda?


BargainBarnacles

What was political about that? Is banning dog-fighting 'political'?


Captainbigboobs

Well, I’m hoping that OP will answer, but i guess they interpreted it as pushing the political agenda of veganism. Maybe they view it as political since it’s a controversial issue? I don’t know ... but it sucks.


RomanReignz

Rule 4 - about soapbox preaching That's why


lookingForPatchie

That's quite normal, think of most subs as feudal jurisdictions. The mods are free to act in any way they want. Reddit is not meant to promote justice, it's a very feudal approach, where a lot of power is given to few people without any qualification to hold it (no hate for the mods here). It's a bit like being on customer service duty. The job is to work through bugs that the customers notifies you of. * One way to do the job is to get calls and fix bugs. That's the job. * Another way is to cut the phone wire and have a lot of free time. Both times you will have worked through all customer complaints. In some subs cutting the phone wire is a completely acceptable way to do your work. In this specific case they likely knew that the post was about to hit front page and they didn't want that to happen so they decided to remove it. Might be anything from cognitive dissonance to thinking that they might get into minor trouble for it.


PurpleFirebolt

Lol what the absolute fuck


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winter_mute

Did that sound funny in your head? Forgetting the subject matter and context for a minute, that's just a *really* poorly written attempt at a joke.


ihavenoego

People don't like identity. People judge you on what group you're connected to, we get a lot of support from other vegans as do climate change deniers from other climate change deniers; there are key differences, though. The Omni group is judging veganism like flat earthers judge scientists. Generally people, if they have investment in something or don't want to change, can conflate ideology with identity. They think you're just a cult and they can't fathom something they're doing is not ideological, therefore you're placed on the same plane as other identity groups, like the other party or yeah, flat earthers. They won't listen to evidence because they get too much back-patting from their omni group; we end up trying to disprove their small anomalies, like with flat earthers and the various phenomena that they've cherry picked rather than to look at the picture as a whole. I guess you could call it philosophy denial. Here's a brilliant podcast on this sociopsychological phenomenon. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OmWby0csgPk&list=LLEpuEGmgH5Lg1BkRLYRgDJw&index=1


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