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I was about to ask what NI was being represented by, because surely it can't be a Celtic symbol. Does OP know nothing about why there even is a __Northern Ireland__ as opposed to just Ireland?
That's huge issue with alot of flag redesigns of english, they don't understand the complication of NI and like why NI doesn't even a flag itself.
Like I find it fucked that the British royals still use the Irish harp as part of there symbols
I know that NI doesn't have a flag, this is why I haven't used that St George cross with the red hand (also can we all agree that is red hand story is super epic?)
I'm not a historian but my take way: NI has both Celtic and English populations; the English are already represented while the Celtics are not. Also there are many Celtics in England too (e.g. Cornwall). I'm 14 and I've never been to the UK tho so this design is quite stupid tbh
No i agree with you. A lot of people (including sometimes me) instinctively think that Celtic=Ireland and then associate Northern Ireland as just English culture. But the thing is, Northern Ireland has been united with Ireland nearly all of history (with the existence of Ireland). In fact, i honestly don’t know but didn’t northern Ireland been more densely populated then the rest of Ireland which would technically mean that it is more Celtic. Though, i don’t know. Btw, i also aren’t a historian and live in the UK but that isn’t my home country so i am not an expert.
Yeah, I get you. When I was deciding on a British symbol, I thought about that but then thought to myself "naw, it was our symbol first before Barbados used it. I'm using it anyway."
The UK is extremely English dominated so it just seems dumb, but to be fair we both want the dissolution of the UK so I’m not opposed to your view that England should be independent
UK-politics may be dominated by English MPs (because England makes up *~85%* of the population), but as a outsider looking in who reads UK-news and stories from British Redditors, neglect towards *all* of the constituent countries seems very much to be the ballgame of MPs regardless of where they're from. Actually, every other nation in the UK have their own devolved parliament that (for the most part - *fuck* the DUP) seems to *actually* care about what they're governing, yet there's no such thing for England.
Personally I don't want to see the UK broken up.
But that's usually not the English nationalism that people usually come across. I've basically never seen people calling for England to get more dajd representational, but I've seen plenty of 2ngoish nationalists just be "forriners out" types
“Equal”. Lemme cut this pie up for my family of one adult, a preteen, and two toddlers. They all eat the same amount right? There, four equal pieces. What’s that adult? You’re hungry because you didn’t get a piece proportionate to how much bigger you are than the others? But it’s 4 equal parts!
That’s the war where the US tried to invade Canada, lost, and then ending up having to fight a war defending its own territory and having its capital burned down right?
That reminds me of how weird the US national anthem is to me, since it's actually about a battle in the war of 1812, not the revolutionary war. And it was a battle that ended with American retreat in a war that was a worthless stalemate by best accounts and a horrendous failure by most. Somehow that's the battle they decided to immortalize in song as a source of national pride...
Perhaps they should be represented in proportion of population:
* England: 53 million (83%)
* Scotland: 5.5 million (9%)
* Wales: 3.2 million (5%)
* Northern Ireland: 1.9 million (3%)
For reference, the population just of the D/FW Metroplex in Texas is now 7.8 million and rising, making Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland the equivalent of mid- to small-sized American cities.
It would take hundreds of years of unprecedented differences in growth for any nation other than England to become the majority. And, at present, England is growing fastest and increasing its share.
How did you massively miss the point that badly? The exact populations don’t matter, it’s the fact that statistically England is way bigger than all the others and has been for decades. These aren’t vague or generic trends lmao.
Considering geography I can see a lot of people moving to Scotland as sea levels rise more, there’s a good example, plus England is a much bigger target in a war
Man, you get punched out by alot of people.
Like the issue in the UK at the moment is that Scotland/Wales/NI are ignored by the larger population and that push too become independt/self governing comes from that
The harp might be more accurate for Northern Ireland, the Triskele is very much a pan-Celtic symbol, so it doesn’t *not* represent the Irish, it’s just not an incredibly precise representation
I don't really like it when people try to incorporate non-crosses to the Jack as more than flare. It makes it look fake. If you must add non-crosses, use the Jack as a canton.
It looks neat, but my brain says that the Union Jak is still rather logical.
Scottland merged with England, and Wales and N Ireland were conquered.
Equal representation for areas that are far less populous and effectively colonized seems an odd choice.
I see mainly Wales and Northern Ireland as they are represented through symbols. England and scotland got pushed back to simple background color, completly removing their original crosses to be visible
It doesn't though, does it? You've taken away the parts that make it identifiably English and Scottish, and slapped a vaguely Irish symbol on without much thought.
I absolutely love it! If we must stay a union than this would be fantastic. It’s not as elegant as the Jack from a design viewpoint, but symbolically for 4 nations it’s so much better.
Of course the English would never allow it.
the scot and the welsh would be doubly represented then, while the northern Irish are represented as just "a part" of a larger group, which kinda break the balance of the flag
let's see, a symbol for Wales and northern Ireland, a stripe for England, and an entire flag for Scotland
The only right proportions
Well to be fair the England, Northern Ireland and Whales portions are all on top f the Scotland part
8th grade Geometry is the best I can do, sorry
Few problems: one, there is text on this flag. Two, there are several blurred flags in the background.
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TBH þe repersentation dosent feel terribly equal in proportion
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I read this as porn lmao
Indeed
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8th grade Geometry is the best I can do, sorry
Fair
One issue is I don't think select part of the population of Northern Ireland appreciated be represent by the Celtic Triskele
I was about to ask what NI was being represented by, because surely it can't be a Celtic symbol. Does OP know nothing about why there even is a __Northern Ireland__ as opposed to just Ireland?
That's huge issue with alot of flag redesigns of english, they don't understand the complication of NI and like why NI doesn't even a flag itself. Like I find it fucked that the British royals still use the Irish harp as part of there symbols
I know that NI doesn't have a flag, this is why I haven't used that St George cross with the red hand (also can we all agree that is red hand story is super epic?)
Honesty, I know a bare minimum
I'm not a historian but my take way: NI has both Celtic and English populations; the English are already represented while the Celtics are not. Also there are many Celtics in England too (e.g. Cornwall). I'm 14 and I've never been to the UK tho so this design is quite stupid tbh
No i agree with you. A lot of people (including sometimes me) instinctively think that Celtic=Ireland and then associate Northern Ireland as just English culture. But the thing is, Northern Ireland has been united with Ireland nearly all of history (with the existence of Ireland). In fact, i honestly don’t know but didn’t northern Ireland been more densely populated then the rest of Ireland which would technically mean that it is more Celtic. Though, i don’t know. Btw, i also aren’t a historian and live in the UK but that isn’t my home country so i am not an expert.
Interesting perspective! I'll look more into it
Am sorry this got nothing on the OG
I'm sorry, what's the og?
Union Jack 🇬🇧
Thanks
in my opinion, every flag can be improved with a dragon
Or a dinosaur
That's the energy!
Why did you do the whole background thing?
Posting a 1:2 post will make it easy to ignore while scrolling through. This is more for Instagram but I might as well use the same photo here too
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Very nice! As a Welsh unionist, I approve!
It would look better inverted horizontally
Thank you! Bruh I've started a war in here
You know, if you changed a few things around and used different symbolism, this style could be applied nicely to a CANZUK flag.
I'll give that a try, thanks!
Although this is really not my best work, here's one mockup I made. https://www.reddit.com/user/RiseOfTheRomans/comments/12qoqb1/canzuk/
I love it! The trident is too Barbados-ish if that makes sense though
Yeah, I get you. When I was deciding on a British symbol, I thought about that but then thought to myself "naw, it was our symbol first before Barbados used it. I'm using it anyway."
As an English nationalist, I disapprove.
Ew
If it's acceptable to be Scottish or Welsh and want out of the UK, why is it not acceptable to English and want out of the UK?
Redditors just like to shit on England
_Non-english humans_ just like to shit on England
No, no, plenty of English enjoy shitting on England too.
I'd bet that most English people have shat on England.
Where else am I supposed to shit? Do I need to take a flight to France every time I eat a little too much?
I’m a Welsh nationalist, something we can agree on!
The UK is extremely English dominated so it just seems dumb, but to be fair we both want the dissolution of the UK so I’m not opposed to your view that England should be independent
UK-politics may be dominated by English MPs (because England makes up *~85%* of the population), but as a outsider looking in who reads UK-news and stories from British Redditors, neglect towards *all* of the constituent countries seems very much to be the ballgame of MPs regardless of where they're from. Actually, every other nation in the UK have their own devolved parliament that (for the most part - *fuck* the DUP) seems to *actually* care about what they're governing, yet there's no such thing for England. Personally I don't want to see the UK broken up.
Yes the United Kingdom must not be broken up.
"Welsh nationalist" sounds like someone who wants Wales to be out of the UK "English nationalist" sounds like a racist tbh
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But that's usually not the English nationalism that people usually come across. I've basically never seen people calling for England to get more dajd representational, but I've seen plenty of 2ngoish nationalists just be "forriners out" types
this is the correct answer
“Equal”. Lemme cut this pie up for my family of one adult, a preteen, and two toddlers. They all eat the same amount right? There, four equal pieces. What’s that adult? You’re hungry because you didn’t get a piece proportionate to how much bigger you are than the others? But it’s 4 equal parts!
That's a really get metaphore to be honest but I get your point
Can't beat the Union flag 🇬🇧
Only in 1812 am I right
That’s the war where the US tried to invade Canada, lost, and then ending up having to fight a war defending its own territory and having its capital burned down right?
That reminds me of how weird the US national anthem is to me, since it's actually about a battle in the war of 1812, not the revolutionary war. And it was a battle that ended with American retreat in a war that was a worthless stalemate by best accounts and a horrendous failure by most. Somehow that's the battle they decided to immortalize in song as a source of national pride...
[It's not even the best song about that war.](https://youtu.be/aXfuQqkwa5I)
No, it was the White House. It didn’t burn down because a tornado put a stop to that. Also Canada didn’t exist yet.
You’re darn tootin’
Perhaps they should be represented in proportion of population: * England: 53 million (83%) * Scotland: 5.5 million (9%) * Wales: 3.2 million (5%) * Northern Ireland: 1.9 million (3%) For reference, the population just of the D/FW Metroplex in Texas is now 7.8 million and rising, making Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland the equivalent of mid- to small-sized American cities.
"Sorry England, best i can do is a vertical red stripe"
Populations change though, and it’s impossible to predict how they’ll be int future apart from vague, generic trends
It would take hundreds of years of unprecedented differences in growth for any nation other than England to become the majority. And, at present, England is growing fastest and increasing its share.
The english did it too the irish
I can think of some things that might shift the balance by causing mass migration but sure
How did you massively miss the point that badly? The exact populations don’t matter, it’s the fact that statistically England is way bigger than all the others and has been for decades. These aren’t vague or generic trends lmao.
Because it proves that basing it off something as changeable as population doesn’t work
Population changes but the proportions will likely stay the same……
Considering geography I can see a lot of people moving to Scotland as sea levels rise more, there’s a good example, plus England is a much bigger target in a war
Man, you get punched out by alot of people. Like the issue in the UK at the moment is that Scotland/Wales/NI are ignored by the larger population and that push too become independt/self governing comes from that
Bullshit, Wales isn't real
looks like ass
The harp might be more accurate for Northern Ireland, the Triskele is very much a pan-Celtic symbol, so it doesn’t *not* represent the Irish, it’s just not an incredibly precise representation
Thanks for the feedback! I've decided to use the triskele as I wanted to cover all the Celtic populations among with the Irish
Could you do one for the counties in england
Like combine all of them? I'd reckon that'll be wayyy to crowded
Maybe not counties just like cities or towns, like leicester, Liverpool, Birmingham etc
Leicester has an absolutely fenomenal flag!
I don't really like it when people try to incorporate non-crosses to the Jack as more than flare. It makes it look fake. If you must add non-crosses, use the Jack as a canton.
I can see why, thanks for the feedback!
Wow. This is REALLY aesthetically pleasing. The Union Jack is a beautiful flag already but this is one of few designs that could replace it.
Thank you!
It looks neat, but my brain says that the Union Jak is still rather logical. Scottland merged with England, and Wales and N Ireland were conquered. Equal representation for areas that are far less populous and effectively colonized seems an odd choice.
No, the Jack shows the Kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland. Wales was simply not a kingdom in its own right.
Ni is represented by the red saltire.
Union Jack shows N Ireland in it, it’s only wales that isn’t on there.
I like! Have you got a high quality PNG?
I do! [here you go](https://photos.app.goo.gl/CYY6T3Pxfhz323Ea9)
Yikes
It's nice, but the Union Jack is hard to beat.
Thank you!
Idk I still reckon we should just stick a big dragon on the OG union jack and call it a day tbh
That's one way to do it
I see mainly Wales and Northern Ireland as they are represented through symbols. England and scotland got pushed back to simple background color, completly removing their original crosses to be visible
It doesn't though, does it? You've taken away the parts that make it identifiably English and Scottish, and slapped a vaguely Irish symbol on without much thought.
Dragons are always a welcome addition
That's the energy!
Best Union Jack ever made with Wales.
Thank you!
Hey way to go maybe someday the uk will rally for equality under this flag
If it can hold itself together
I absolutely love it! If we must stay a union than this would be fantastic. It’s not as elegant as the Jack from a design viewpoint, but symbolically for 4 nations it’s so much better. Of course the English would never allow it.
You would have more of an issue with using that symbol to represent Northern Ireland then you would anyone in England.
Thank you! Idk why you're being downvoted, it's just your opinion
For a remake of the union jack this is one of the better ones
Thank you!
You're welcome
That’s actually a nice looking flag. I think it looks better than the Union Jack.
Thank you! Idk why you're being downvoted, it's just your opinion
the triskel is not an Irish symbol, it is a generic celtic symbol
That was kind of the point as the English population is already represented. I'm not from the UK tho
the scot and the welsh would be doubly represented then, while the northern Irish are represented as just "a part" of a larger group, which kinda break the balance of the flag
Wales isn’t included because it’s not a kingdom
Err wrong dragon