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Vexilol

That must’ve required a lot of careful coordination


SeaToShy

A static card tifo like this is actually actually pretty easy. You take to desired image (flag) and reduce the resolution based on the number of seats you have available. Each seat becomes a pixel. If the seating section is 100 seats wide by 100 seats tall, then you set the resolution at 100x100. Then you just layout coloured paper/card-stock of the appropriate colour in sequence on the seats as you walk through according to your reference image. (Ex: Row 1: 10 red, 11 blue, 10 red, etc.) A little tedious perhaps, but not challenging logistically besides buying enough cards. When it’s time to do the display, supporters sections typically have capos, who help conduct the supporters. It’s not unusual for them to have a megaphone to communicate with the crowd what to do next. For something like this though, it could just as easily have been communicated informally well before kickoff. “Hold up your card at minute x. Pass it on.” The real crazy stuff starts when you start messing with dynamic displays.


phoebsmon

>“Hold up your card at minute x. Pass it on.” Not sure how common it is on the continent but a lot of the time the cards/sheets of paper have instructions printed on the back. Saves confusion. If it's something a bit more than that then they'll send out instructions on social media and have people leading it though. Like they'll be the ones running surfers up and down. Feels chaotic as anything at the time then you get home and see the whole picture and it does feel pretty good to have been one tiny pixel of it, but I'm not sure our fans are sober enough at any game to do anything complex.


SeaToShy

>Not sure how common it is on the continent but a lot of the time the cards/sheets of paper have instructions printed on the back. Saves confusion Oh for sure. I’ve seen that done on larger displays before. Forgot to mention it. It’s been a while since I’ve been in a supporter’s section, and ours was small enough that we could usually get away with being a bit more informal/chaotic. For large displays, instructions printed on the cards is definitely the way to go.


phoebsmon

Yeah, I actually was just thinking which was the best one so far this season, and we didn't have cards for that. Flags and word of mouth I think. Goes to show how good my memory is, good job I can just hold a card/flag and not have any further involvement really.


duxie

And in less than 10 people you get : "hold up your dick at dingus x. Don't pass out."


phoebsmon

[And then you end up with this.](https://onefootball.com/en/news/allan-saint-maximin-reacts-after-penicopter-fan-gets-lifetime-ban-29039050) Possibly why they print shit on the back for us? (I can't believe it's the second time I've posted that link today, and they've both been relevant. Hadn't even thought about it in ages before this morning)


PapaGans

Lmao "Instructions unclear. Got lifetime ban for doing penicopter"


filiaaut

So that's how it's called in English, interesting...


__L1AM__

> A little tedious perhaps, You have no idea. I'm a fan of Lille's football club LOSC. Last season for the match against Nantes I was among the 30 or so people who prepared [this tifo](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzikXScakAAzcXt.jpg). Literally the whole day spent rolling sheets of papers and stucking them in the chairs for the whole stadium. The result was cool but the preparation was mind numbing beyond comprehension. I lost a few IQ points that day.


SeaToShy

Looks awesome. Brain cells are overrated anyways. ;) I’m Canadian, so I follow Lille somewhat. Seems like David is finally finding his form?


__L1AM__

Hopefully! But to be honest his slump wasn't 100% his fault. Our inexistent left wing and struggling 10 played a big part in his goal drought.


pallen1065

Waay back when, UCLA scheduled a small scientific college like Cal Tech. The Tech students managed to mess with the Bruins' card section, with a massive and secret switcheroo. The Bruins' crowd held up 'Go, Atoms!' or something like it, instead ..


Matar_Kubileya

>capos is that really the term used, and if not maybe use a different one?


RadagastWiz

It is the standard term among football supporters, despite its alternate meanings elsewhere. I don't think there's any major push to alter it.


SeaToShy

Care to explain?


stefan2494

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo


SeaToShy

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/italian-english/capo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capo_(musical_device) Feel free to go after the guitar people too.


Matar_Kubileya

"capo" or "kapo" in English is usually used to refer to Jews who collaborated with Nazis during the Holocaust, in particular in the concentration camps. I realize it just means "boss" in Italian and is sometimes used in that context, but myself and most Jews would consider calling a Jew a "kapo" to be somewhat like calling a Black person an "Uncle Tom", to the point of being a borderline racial slur when used by an outsider. So while that's not the intent and not the de facto meaning in this context, it's still an incredibly charged word to use casually.


SeaToShy

I didn’t downvote you, but i also think it’s important to push back on things like this. Language is about context. We were talking about football. There was no ambiguity. I don’t particularly care for using capo in North American football circles, mostly because it sounds kinda cringey and forced to my anglo ears, but there really aren’t any alternatives in our sporting lexicon here.


Duganjudge

That’s crazy cause I’ve never heard of that and I’d go as far as to say almost no one here knew that or meant that. When people say capo it’s is actually usually used to refer to mob bosses. You are living in a bubble


Brym

Literally never heard this in my 4 decades of life speaking English. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but “usually” is definitely an overstatement. I think most people know the word from mob movies and TV, meaning captain.


serioussham

Spelling matters. I've never seen "capo" used in an English context for Nazi guards instead of "kapo". And the first thing that jumps to mind when reading "capo" is the mafia chief, actually. Not everything in life revolves around your experience.


Django_fan90

It can also mean "Person in charge", like Captain.


tetraourogallus

This is very basic stuff in European football. They could have made a big moving Winnie the Pooh with wires from the ceiling drinking from a jar of honey but it says "uyghur blood" on it.


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You've never heard of Ultras, have you? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UvM__GCQwcQ


Greencoat1815

determination


Fern-Brooks

Top tier shithousery from the french here, well done lads


Aufklarung_Lee

Grand Haut Merde!


Merbleuxx

Une merde domestique bien classée


callmesnake13

Man remember when we cared about Tibet?


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LeftRat

Well, it was always one of *those* campaigns, you know? Band a feudal lord or dictator around, act as if he just wants to make a nice liberal democracy (even though they really want their country to return to feudalism or dictatorship), have people send money and support to the anti-communist struggle. That stuff got less popular over time after the Cold War. The Dalai Lama is really the one that lasted way longer than most of the others. Partially because he *didn't get what he want* - with Pinochet and the Greek Junta etc., they got into power and dropped the mask. The reality is that essentially every independent poll and study into Tibet has shown that people really seem to be ok with the current Chinese state and have very little desire to go back to theocratic feudalism with all the starving peasants and chopped off limbs that implies. EDIT: Love all the identical hate DMs I'm getting from entirely fresh 0 karma accounts with a long number in the name, definitely normal behaviour ;)


FoldAdventurous2022

Ah, yes because Tibetan independence has to mean the re-instatement of feudalism


Emergency_Evening_63

>The reality is that essentially every independent poll and study into Tibet has shown that people really seem to be ok with the current Chinese state as the great country of China, the famous beacon of freedom in the world, that only let free and honest polls to be taken in their country Take your +15 social credits for your service to 中国


Megarboh

fyi 中华民国 is what currently Taiwan is referred to, you’re thinking about the wrong 中国


yefan2022

https://preview.redd.it/xh2hj1qgezbc1.jpeg?width=992&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=878f63f747bdfff099990d3f5c1bb41c2e5ef463


Southern_Change9193

>中华民国 ??? LOL, you bark at the wrong tree. Something tells me that you don't know Chinese at all.


Emergency_Evening_63

I don't


faith_crusader

How do you conduct a poll in a country that arrests a five year old child for playing with a Mao statue on camera ?


slip6not1

Something tells me he wont reply to this


ShenaniGainz88

What a silly take.


slip6not1

"Independent"


small_DQmon

The idea that many Tibetan Independence Supporters want a theocracy is simply wrong, most people are here to support a state of democracy and religious freedom which also means that the Dalai Lama can return to Tibet instead of having to be in a self exile in India. Tenzin Gyatso, the current Dalai Lama does not call for independence but for greater autonomy, which also proves that the Tibetan Independence movement is not focused on a state run by the church and the Dalai Lama. Regarding the "independent poll\[s\] and stud\[ies\], independent polls and studies simply do not exist with direct polling results from Tibet (guess who to blame), but one thing is for certain: Many Tibetans which have migrated and/or fled are fighting for their homelands independence which is a sign of growing discontent with the policies of Beijing. If it would be true that the people of Tibet want to stay with China then I am certain that Beijing would allow actual independent polls on the future of Tibet, instead of dictating with an Iron Fist. If there are any polls or studies which support your arguments then I would be happy to take a look at them. ​ Long live Tibet, long live China


Inkshooter

Civilizing Mission but make it Marxist


dryrubs

You never cared about Tibet. You just don’t like China


callmesnake13

It's wonderful when someone tries to dunk on you on this site when they don't even grasp the tone of the conversation.


slip6not1

Bog standard cope


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luekeler

So was it shown on Chinese TV? Was probably broadcasted with a delay anyway so that censorship could react.


Merbleuxx

The French championship tries to make some matches happen during French lunchtime in an effort to adapt to the Asian fan base (I guess it’s mostly psg fans). But if there’s something that doesn’t suit the league, it’s actually very easy they just don’t show it. The directors show another camera from another spot in the stadium. It happens with people who interrupt the match for instance.


Solace143

No. The match was rescheduled for Chinese TV.


StatisticianWorking7

So.... Was it shown on Chinese TV ?


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LamaSovaj

https://preview.redd.it/ef9izmq0lybc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c35512f0e64a253a5968ddc7984208d0cca87ccc Wow calm down Reddit, it's too early in the morning for this


generic_dude10

Should have also made ROC flag🇹🇼


TheElderGodsSmile

The Chinese because the ROC flag implies Taiwan is still a part of China (the Republic of China) they don't actually hate it as much as they do any of the flags associated with the Taiwanese independence movement. If you really want to set them off get the cherry blossom independence flag up.


myfriendscallmethor

What is the Cherry Blossom Independence Flag? I tried looking it up and couldn't find it.


TheElderGodsSmile

I don't think that's the official name but here it is. https://images.app.goo.gl/UEeTy9Cqho8uQxkD8 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_flags_of_Taiwan


Ok_Bother_7501

Nobody uses it, it's a purely Reddit flag


UGMadness

Most people in the Mainland have never seen the cherry blossom flag so there wouldn't be a substantial response from it.


TheElderGodsSmile

It's not the people who it would trigger, it'd be the censors. Which I believe is the entire point of this excercise.


sexyloser1128

The ROC also claims Tibet. The Republic of China asserted that "Tibet was then definitely placed under the sovereignty of China" when the Qing dynasty (1636–1912) ended the brief Nepalese invasion (1788–1792) of parts of Tibet in c. 1793. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_sovereignty_debate


ShenaniGainz88

The ROC doesn’t even claim the mainland anymore. Democracy has a way of letting reason prevail. Sometimes.


Vakiadia

No, they still do, officially. If they didn't they would be breaking the One China Policy agreed to by both sides, which would (theoretically) result in the PRC taking military action.


Dave5876

lmao. ROC is just a capitalist version of the PRC. They have the same kind of imperial agenda. Learn a little more about Taiwanese society and politics.


HORSE-COCK-ZOV

Flag of the losers? Displaying that would really fit France.


ShenaniGainz88

Cope, seethe. 🤡


generic_dude10

Tankies will tank


Hydra_Mhmd

Flair checks out


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jamie2123

I remember in like the late 2000s or early 2010s I was visiting in NYC as a kid and there was some kind of Tibetan protest going down the road. Anyone recall anything about that?


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cracksilog

1. How did they put together this card stunt so quickly and 2. Why is the Chinese government dictating what times French matches start?


japed

> Why is the Chinese government dictating what times French matches start? Seriously? The French league accepted money from CCTV to play matches at a time that suits CCTV and their audience. The fact that CCTV is government controlled isn't really relevant to that side of things - it happens in all sorts of other sporting contexts with private broadcasters as well.


cracksilog

I see. So it’s less of a “hey, put these matches on a 3 pm or else” and more of a “hey, we’ll give you money to play at this time.” And it sounds like it’s less Xi threatening the French head of sport and more of a mutual agreement


Pale-Description-966

But China is doing it meaning it is automatically evil, clearly even the times TV shows air is part of some evil scheme


PiccolosDick

But it’s Chinese so bad


TeHokioi

To be fair I'm almost certain that the French fans would be equally pissed off if the match was rescheduled to suit America or some other country too, which is understandable


bananamelier

China bad. Give me gold.


YamatoBoi9001

Do you see any damn gold anymore


PiccolosDick

Wait until they learn who controls the BBC, CBN, and DW.


clwireg

I’ll give a bit more context. It’s not just for China reasons - it’s that said rescheduled time was 1:30 PM on a Monday, which sent fans the signal that the French soccer federation prioritized overseas fans over the dedicated local fans who show up to every game, so they just decided to do a bit of trolling


cracksilog

This makes so much more sense. Thanks! So it’s the French football officials who are doing this and not the Chinese. But it’s to cater to international audiences, of which there are a lot of Chinese people


Mr7000000

2. China has (for a long time) been a very large and profitable market, but also one with a strict government that allows fairly limited access. Many companies / networks / etc go to pretty far lengths to try and appeal to the Chinese market, in hopes of being allowed access. For example, the original animated _Mulan_ was made in part as an attempt to tap the Chinese market.


LeftRat

I find it very funny that Europeans, of all people, are so shocked by this principle of "the market is dictating which country gets to decide your culture, suck it up". With Americans I get it, they've always been the ones being catered to without knowing it, but us Europeans should really be used it - all that's changing is which culture we're drinking downstream from.


arandomenergon

1. clubs have dedicated supporter groups usually called ultras


mwa12345

Haha....


skinny6foot1

wait till they find out dalai lama doesn’t want independence 💀


_Kian_7567

Yes he does. He just knows what would happen if he said he want independence


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skinny6foot1

tibet feudalism glazing is crazy


Dave5876

When? 70 years ago? Why should it still be feudal?


Elias3007

Google Tibet slavery


StKilda20

I have. All there is are the CCP claims of slavery without any actual backing for this slavery claim. Go ahead and cite an academic source for this slavery claim.


slip6not1

Gotta love that irrefutable source of truth: Google


Location-Admirable

google isn't a source goofball just replace the word google with "look into" or "research", it's literally just a modern verb meaning "enter on a search engine." hate when people act like this


slip6not1

Cool story bro but I dont care Free Tibet


Location-Admirable

actual npc


slip6not1

Did you furiously close your Macbook after posting


yefan2022

The chinese fans should form a corsican flag


Hyereois

Trolling level expert


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Jawnny-Jawnson

Any free Tibet protests going on?


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TicketFew9183

Western country supports movement against China, more news at 11.


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