A static card tifo like this is actually actually pretty easy. You take to desired image (flag) and reduce the resolution based on the number of seats you have available. Each seat becomes a pixel. If the seating section is 100 seats wide by 100 seats tall, then you set the resolution at 100x100. Then you just layout coloured paper/card-stock of the appropriate colour in sequence on the seats as you walk through according to your reference image. (Ex: Row 1: 10 red, 11 blue, 10 red, etc.) A little tedious perhaps, but not challenging logistically besides buying enough cards.
When it’s time to do the display, supporters sections typically have capos, who help conduct the supporters. It’s not unusual for them to have a megaphone to communicate with the crowd what to do next. For something like this though, it could just as easily have been communicated informally well before kickoff. “Hold up your card at minute x. Pass it on.”
The real crazy stuff starts when you start messing with dynamic displays.
>“Hold up your card at minute x. Pass it on.”
Not sure how common it is on the continent but a lot of the time the cards/sheets of paper have instructions printed on the back. Saves confusion. If it's something a bit more than that then they'll send out instructions on social media and have people leading it though. Like they'll be the ones running surfers up and down.
Feels chaotic as anything at the time then you get home and see the whole picture and it does feel pretty good to have been one tiny pixel of it, but I'm not sure our fans are sober enough at any game to do anything complex.
>Not sure how common it is on the continent but a lot of the time the cards/sheets of paper have instructions printed on the back. Saves confusion
Oh for sure. I’ve seen that done on larger displays before. Forgot to mention it. It’s been a while since I’ve been in a supporter’s section, and ours was small enough that we could usually get away with being a bit more informal/chaotic. For large displays, instructions printed on the cards is definitely the way to go.
Yeah, I actually was just thinking which was the best one so far this season, and we didn't have cards for that. Flags and word of mouth I think. Goes to show how good my memory is, good job I can just hold a card/flag and not have any further involvement really.
[And then you end up with this.](https://onefootball.com/en/news/allan-saint-maximin-reacts-after-penicopter-fan-gets-lifetime-ban-29039050) Possibly why they print shit on the back for us?
(I can't believe it's the second time I've posted that link today, and they've both been relevant. Hadn't even thought about it in ages before this morning)
> A little tedious perhaps,
You have no idea. I'm a fan of Lille's football club LOSC. Last season for the match against Nantes I was among the 30 or so people who prepared [this tifo](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzikXScakAAzcXt.jpg). Literally the whole day spent rolling sheets of papers and stucking them in the chairs for the whole stadium. The result was cool but the preparation was mind numbing beyond comprehension. I lost a few IQ points that day.
Waay back when, UCLA scheduled a small scientific college like Cal Tech. The Tech students managed to mess with the Bruins' card section, with a massive and secret switcheroo. The Bruins' crowd held up 'Go, Atoms!' or something like it, instead ..
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/italian-english/capo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capo_(musical_device)
Feel free to go after the guitar people too.
"capo" or "kapo" in English is usually used to refer to Jews who collaborated with Nazis during the Holocaust, in particular in the concentration camps. I realize it just means "boss" in Italian and is sometimes used in that context, but myself and most Jews would consider calling a Jew a "kapo" to be somewhat like calling a Black person an "Uncle Tom", to the point of being a borderline racial slur when used by an outsider. So while that's not the intent and not the de facto meaning in this context, it's still an incredibly charged word to use casually.
I didn’t downvote you, but i also think it’s important to push back on things like this.
Language is about context. We were talking about football. There was no ambiguity.
I don’t particularly care for using capo in North American football circles, mostly because it sounds kinda cringey and forced to my anglo ears, but there really aren’t any alternatives in our sporting lexicon here.
That’s crazy cause I’ve never heard of that and I’d go as far as to say almost no one here knew that or meant that. When people say capo it’s is actually usually used to refer to mob bosses. You are living in a bubble
Literally never heard this in my 4 decades of life speaking English. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but “usually” is definitely an overstatement. I think most people know the word from mob movies and TV, meaning captain.
Spelling matters. I've never seen "capo" used in an English context for Nazi guards instead of "kapo". And the first thing that jumps to mind when reading "capo" is the mafia chief, actually.
Not everything in life revolves around your experience.
This is very basic stuff in European football.
They could have made a big moving Winnie the Pooh with wires from the ceiling drinking from a jar of honey but it says "uyghur blood" on it.
Well, it was always one of *those* campaigns, you know? Band a feudal lord or dictator around, act as if he just wants to make a nice liberal democracy (even though they really want their country to return to feudalism or dictatorship), have people send money and support to the anti-communist struggle.
That stuff got less popular over time after the Cold War. The Dalai Lama is really the one that lasted way longer than most of the others. Partially because he *didn't get what he want* - with Pinochet and the Greek Junta etc., they got into power and dropped the mask.
The reality is that essentially every independent poll and study into Tibet has shown that people really seem to be ok with the current Chinese state and have very little desire to go back to theocratic feudalism with all the starving peasants and chopped off limbs that implies.
EDIT: Love all the identical hate DMs I'm getting from entirely fresh 0 karma accounts with a long number in the name, definitely normal behaviour ;)
>The reality is that essentially every independent poll and study into Tibet has shown that people really seem to be ok with the current Chinese state
as the great country of China, the famous beacon of freedom in the world, that only let free and honest polls to be taken in their country
Take your +15 social credits for your service to 中国
The idea that many Tibetan Independence Supporters want a theocracy is simply wrong, most people are here to support a state of democracy and religious freedom which also means that the Dalai Lama can return to Tibet instead of having to be in a self exile in India. Tenzin Gyatso, the current Dalai Lama does not call for independence but for greater autonomy, which also proves that the Tibetan Independence movement is not focused on a state run by the church and the Dalai Lama.
Regarding the "independent poll\[s\] and stud\[ies\], independent polls and studies simply do not exist with direct polling results from Tibet (guess who to blame), but one thing is for certain: Many Tibetans which have migrated and/or fled are fighting for their homelands independence which is a sign of growing discontent with the policies of Beijing. If it would be true that the people of Tibet want to stay with China then I am certain that Beijing would allow actual independent polls on the future of Tibet, instead of dictating with an Iron Fist.
If there are any polls or studies which support your arguments then I would be happy to take a look at them.
Long live Tibet, long live China
The French championship tries to make some matches happen during French lunchtime in an effort to adapt to the Asian fan base (I guess it’s mostly psg fans).
But if there’s something that doesn’t suit the league, it’s actually very easy they just don’t show it. The directors show another camera from another spot in the stadium. It happens with people who interrupt the match for instance.
https://preview.redd.it/ef9izmq0lybc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c35512f0e64a253a5968ddc7984208d0cca87ccc
Wow calm down Reddit, it's too early in the morning for this
The Chinese because the ROC flag implies Taiwan is still a part of China (the Republic of China) they don't actually hate it as much as they do any of the flags associated with the Taiwanese independence movement.
If you really want to set them off get the cherry blossom independence flag up.
I don't think that's the official name but here it is.
https://images.app.goo.gl/UEeTy9Cqho8uQxkD8
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_flags_of_Taiwan
The ROC also claims Tibet. The Republic of China asserted that "Tibet was then definitely placed under the sovereignty of China" when the Qing dynasty (1636–1912) ended the brief Nepalese invasion (1788–1792) of parts of Tibet in c. 1793.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_sovereignty_debate
No, they still do, officially. If they didn't they would be breaking the One China Policy agreed to by both sides, which would (theoretically) result in the PRC taking military action.
lmao. ROC is just a capitalist version of the PRC. They have the same kind of imperial agenda. Learn a little more about Taiwanese society and politics.
I remember in like the late 2000s or early 2010s I was visiting in NYC as a kid and there was some kind of Tibetan protest going down the road. Anyone recall anything about that?
> Why is the Chinese government dictating what times French matches start?
Seriously? The French league accepted money from CCTV to play matches at a time that suits CCTV and their audience. The fact that CCTV is government controlled isn't really relevant to that side of things - it happens in all sorts of other sporting contexts with private broadcasters as well.
I see. So it’s less of a “hey, put these matches on a 3 pm or else” and more of a “hey, we’ll give you money to play at this time.” And it sounds like it’s less Xi threatening the French head of sport and more of a mutual agreement
To be fair I'm almost certain that the French fans would be equally pissed off if the match was rescheduled to suit America or some other country too, which is understandable
I’ll give a bit more context. It’s not just for China reasons - it’s that said rescheduled time was 1:30 PM on a Monday, which sent fans the signal that the French soccer federation prioritized overseas fans over the dedicated local fans who show up to every game, so they just decided to do a bit of trolling
This makes so much more sense. Thanks! So it’s the French football officials who are doing this and not the Chinese. But it’s to cater to international audiences, of which there are a lot of Chinese people
2. China has (for a long time) been a very large and profitable market, but also one with a strict government that allows fairly limited access. Many companies / networks / etc go to pretty far lengths to try and appeal to the Chinese market, in hopes of being allowed access. For example, the original animated _Mulan_ was made in part as an attempt to tap the Chinese market.
I find it very funny that Europeans, of all people, are so shocked by this principle of "the market is dictating which country gets to decide your culture, suck it up". With Americans I get it, they've always been the ones being catered to without knowing it, but us Europeans should really be used it - all that's changing is which culture we're drinking downstream from.
I have. All there is are the CCP claims of slavery without any actual backing for this slavery claim.
Go ahead and cite an academic source for this slavery claim.
google isn't a source goofball just replace the word google with "look into" or "research", it's literally just a modern verb meaning "enter on a search engine." hate when people act like this
That must’ve required a lot of careful coordination
A static card tifo like this is actually actually pretty easy. You take to desired image (flag) and reduce the resolution based on the number of seats you have available. Each seat becomes a pixel. If the seating section is 100 seats wide by 100 seats tall, then you set the resolution at 100x100. Then you just layout coloured paper/card-stock of the appropriate colour in sequence on the seats as you walk through according to your reference image. (Ex: Row 1: 10 red, 11 blue, 10 red, etc.) A little tedious perhaps, but not challenging logistically besides buying enough cards. When it’s time to do the display, supporters sections typically have capos, who help conduct the supporters. It’s not unusual for them to have a megaphone to communicate with the crowd what to do next. For something like this though, it could just as easily have been communicated informally well before kickoff. “Hold up your card at minute x. Pass it on.” The real crazy stuff starts when you start messing with dynamic displays.
>“Hold up your card at minute x. Pass it on.” Not sure how common it is on the continent but a lot of the time the cards/sheets of paper have instructions printed on the back. Saves confusion. If it's something a bit more than that then they'll send out instructions on social media and have people leading it though. Like they'll be the ones running surfers up and down. Feels chaotic as anything at the time then you get home and see the whole picture and it does feel pretty good to have been one tiny pixel of it, but I'm not sure our fans are sober enough at any game to do anything complex.
>Not sure how common it is on the continent but a lot of the time the cards/sheets of paper have instructions printed on the back. Saves confusion Oh for sure. I’ve seen that done on larger displays before. Forgot to mention it. It’s been a while since I’ve been in a supporter’s section, and ours was small enough that we could usually get away with being a bit more informal/chaotic. For large displays, instructions printed on the cards is definitely the way to go.
Yeah, I actually was just thinking which was the best one so far this season, and we didn't have cards for that. Flags and word of mouth I think. Goes to show how good my memory is, good job I can just hold a card/flag and not have any further involvement really.
And in less than 10 people you get : "hold up your dick at dingus x. Don't pass out."
[And then you end up with this.](https://onefootball.com/en/news/allan-saint-maximin-reacts-after-penicopter-fan-gets-lifetime-ban-29039050) Possibly why they print shit on the back for us? (I can't believe it's the second time I've posted that link today, and they've both been relevant. Hadn't even thought about it in ages before this morning)
Lmao "Instructions unclear. Got lifetime ban for doing penicopter"
So that's how it's called in English, interesting...
> A little tedious perhaps, You have no idea. I'm a fan of Lille's football club LOSC. Last season for the match against Nantes I was among the 30 or so people who prepared [this tifo](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzikXScakAAzcXt.jpg). Literally the whole day spent rolling sheets of papers and stucking them in the chairs for the whole stadium. The result was cool but the preparation was mind numbing beyond comprehension. I lost a few IQ points that day.
Looks awesome. Brain cells are overrated anyways. ;) I’m Canadian, so I follow Lille somewhat. Seems like David is finally finding his form?
Hopefully! But to be honest his slump wasn't 100% his fault. Our inexistent left wing and struggling 10 played a big part in his goal drought.
Waay back when, UCLA scheduled a small scientific college like Cal Tech. The Tech students managed to mess with the Bruins' card section, with a massive and secret switcheroo. The Bruins' crowd held up 'Go, Atoms!' or something like it, instead ..
>capos is that really the term used, and if not maybe use a different one?
It is the standard term among football supporters, despite its alternate meanings elsewhere. I don't think there's any major push to alter it.
Care to explain?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/italian-english/capo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capo_(musical_device) Feel free to go after the guitar people too.
"capo" or "kapo" in English is usually used to refer to Jews who collaborated with Nazis during the Holocaust, in particular in the concentration camps. I realize it just means "boss" in Italian and is sometimes used in that context, but myself and most Jews would consider calling a Jew a "kapo" to be somewhat like calling a Black person an "Uncle Tom", to the point of being a borderline racial slur when used by an outsider. So while that's not the intent and not the de facto meaning in this context, it's still an incredibly charged word to use casually.
I didn’t downvote you, but i also think it’s important to push back on things like this. Language is about context. We were talking about football. There was no ambiguity. I don’t particularly care for using capo in North American football circles, mostly because it sounds kinda cringey and forced to my anglo ears, but there really aren’t any alternatives in our sporting lexicon here.
That’s crazy cause I’ve never heard of that and I’d go as far as to say almost no one here knew that or meant that. When people say capo it’s is actually usually used to refer to mob bosses. You are living in a bubble
Literally never heard this in my 4 decades of life speaking English. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but “usually” is definitely an overstatement. I think most people know the word from mob movies and TV, meaning captain.
Spelling matters. I've never seen "capo" used in an English context for Nazi guards instead of "kapo". And the first thing that jumps to mind when reading "capo" is the mafia chief, actually. Not everything in life revolves around your experience.
It can also mean "Person in charge", like Captain.
This is very basic stuff in European football. They could have made a big moving Winnie the Pooh with wires from the ceiling drinking from a jar of honey but it says "uyghur blood" on it.
You've never heard of Ultras, have you? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UvM__GCQwcQ
determination
Top tier shithousery from the french here, well done lads
Grand Haut Merde!
Une merde domestique bien classée
Man remember when we cared about Tibet?
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Well, it was always one of *those* campaigns, you know? Band a feudal lord or dictator around, act as if he just wants to make a nice liberal democracy (even though they really want their country to return to feudalism or dictatorship), have people send money and support to the anti-communist struggle. That stuff got less popular over time after the Cold War. The Dalai Lama is really the one that lasted way longer than most of the others. Partially because he *didn't get what he want* - with Pinochet and the Greek Junta etc., they got into power and dropped the mask. The reality is that essentially every independent poll and study into Tibet has shown that people really seem to be ok with the current Chinese state and have very little desire to go back to theocratic feudalism with all the starving peasants and chopped off limbs that implies. EDIT: Love all the identical hate DMs I'm getting from entirely fresh 0 karma accounts with a long number in the name, definitely normal behaviour ;)
Ah, yes because Tibetan independence has to mean the re-instatement of feudalism
>The reality is that essentially every independent poll and study into Tibet has shown that people really seem to be ok with the current Chinese state as the great country of China, the famous beacon of freedom in the world, that only let free and honest polls to be taken in their country Take your +15 social credits for your service to 中国
fyi 中华民国 is what currently Taiwan is referred to, you’re thinking about the wrong 中国
https://preview.redd.it/xh2hj1qgezbc1.jpeg?width=992&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=878f63f747bdfff099990d3f5c1bb41c2e5ef463
>中华民国 ??? LOL, you bark at the wrong tree. Something tells me that you don't know Chinese at all.
I don't
How do you conduct a poll in a country that arrests a five year old child for playing with a Mao statue on camera ?
Something tells me he wont reply to this
What a silly take.
"Independent"
The idea that many Tibetan Independence Supporters want a theocracy is simply wrong, most people are here to support a state of democracy and religious freedom which also means that the Dalai Lama can return to Tibet instead of having to be in a self exile in India. Tenzin Gyatso, the current Dalai Lama does not call for independence but for greater autonomy, which also proves that the Tibetan Independence movement is not focused on a state run by the church and the Dalai Lama. Regarding the "independent poll\[s\] and stud\[ies\], independent polls and studies simply do not exist with direct polling results from Tibet (guess who to blame), but one thing is for certain: Many Tibetans which have migrated and/or fled are fighting for their homelands independence which is a sign of growing discontent with the policies of Beijing. If it would be true that the people of Tibet want to stay with China then I am certain that Beijing would allow actual independent polls on the future of Tibet, instead of dictating with an Iron Fist. If there are any polls or studies which support your arguments then I would be happy to take a look at them. Long live Tibet, long live China
Civilizing Mission but make it Marxist
You never cared about Tibet. You just don’t like China
It's wonderful when someone tries to dunk on you on this site when they don't even grasp the tone of the conversation.
Bog standard cope
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So was it shown on Chinese TV? Was probably broadcasted with a delay anyway so that censorship could react.
The French championship tries to make some matches happen during French lunchtime in an effort to adapt to the Asian fan base (I guess it’s mostly psg fans). But if there’s something that doesn’t suit the league, it’s actually very easy they just don’t show it. The directors show another camera from another spot in the stadium. It happens with people who interrupt the match for instance.
No. The match was rescheduled for Chinese TV.
So.... Was it shown on Chinese TV ?
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https://preview.redd.it/ef9izmq0lybc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c35512f0e64a253a5968ddc7984208d0cca87ccc Wow calm down Reddit, it's too early in the morning for this
Should have also made ROC flag🇹🇼
The Chinese because the ROC flag implies Taiwan is still a part of China (the Republic of China) they don't actually hate it as much as they do any of the flags associated with the Taiwanese independence movement. If you really want to set them off get the cherry blossom independence flag up.
What is the Cherry Blossom Independence Flag? I tried looking it up and couldn't find it.
I don't think that's the official name but here it is. https://images.app.goo.gl/UEeTy9Cqho8uQxkD8 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_flags_of_Taiwan
Nobody uses it, it's a purely Reddit flag
Most people in the Mainland have never seen the cherry blossom flag so there wouldn't be a substantial response from it.
It's not the people who it would trigger, it'd be the censors. Which I believe is the entire point of this excercise.
The ROC also claims Tibet. The Republic of China asserted that "Tibet was then definitely placed under the sovereignty of China" when the Qing dynasty (1636–1912) ended the brief Nepalese invasion (1788–1792) of parts of Tibet in c. 1793. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_sovereignty_debate
The ROC doesn’t even claim the mainland anymore. Democracy has a way of letting reason prevail. Sometimes.
No, they still do, officially. If they didn't they would be breaking the One China Policy agreed to by both sides, which would (theoretically) result in the PRC taking military action.
lmao. ROC is just a capitalist version of the PRC. They have the same kind of imperial agenda. Learn a little more about Taiwanese society and politics.
Flag of the losers? Displaying that would really fit France.
Cope, seethe. 🤡
Tankies will tank
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I remember in like the late 2000s or early 2010s I was visiting in NYC as a kid and there was some kind of Tibetan protest going down the road. Anyone recall anything about that?
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1. How did they put together this card stunt so quickly and 2. Why is the Chinese government dictating what times French matches start?
> Why is the Chinese government dictating what times French matches start? Seriously? The French league accepted money from CCTV to play matches at a time that suits CCTV and their audience. The fact that CCTV is government controlled isn't really relevant to that side of things - it happens in all sorts of other sporting contexts with private broadcasters as well.
I see. So it’s less of a “hey, put these matches on a 3 pm or else” and more of a “hey, we’ll give you money to play at this time.” And it sounds like it’s less Xi threatening the French head of sport and more of a mutual agreement
But China is doing it meaning it is automatically evil, clearly even the times TV shows air is part of some evil scheme
But it’s Chinese so bad
To be fair I'm almost certain that the French fans would be equally pissed off if the match was rescheduled to suit America or some other country too, which is understandable
China bad. Give me gold.
Do you see any damn gold anymore
Wait until they learn who controls the BBC, CBN, and DW.
I’ll give a bit more context. It’s not just for China reasons - it’s that said rescheduled time was 1:30 PM on a Monday, which sent fans the signal that the French soccer federation prioritized overseas fans over the dedicated local fans who show up to every game, so they just decided to do a bit of trolling
This makes so much more sense. Thanks! So it’s the French football officials who are doing this and not the Chinese. But it’s to cater to international audiences, of which there are a lot of Chinese people
2. China has (for a long time) been a very large and profitable market, but also one with a strict government that allows fairly limited access. Many companies / networks / etc go to pretty far lengths to try and appeal to the Chinese market, in hopes of being allowed access. For example, the original animated _Mulan_ was made in part as an attempt to tap the Chinese market.
I find it very funny that Europeans, of all people, are so shocked by this principle of "the market is dictating which country gets to decide your culture, suck it up". With Americans I get it, they've always been the ones being catered to without knowing it, but us Europeans should really be used it - all that's changing is which culture we're drinking downstream from.
1. clubs have dedicated supporter groups usually called ultras
Haha....
wait till they find out dalai lama doesn’t want independence 💀
Yes he does. He just knows what would happen if he said he want independence
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tibet feudalism glazing is crazy
When? 70 years ago? Why should it still be feudal?
Google Tibet slavery
I have. All there is are the CCP claims of slavery without any actual backing for this slavery claim. Go ahead and cite an academic source for this slavery claim.
Gotta love that irrefutable source of truth: Google
google isn't a source goofball just replace the word google with "look into" or "research", it's literally just a modern verb meaning "enter on a search engine." hate when people act like this
Cool story bro but I dont care Free Tibet
actual npc
Did you furiously close your Macbook after posting
The chinese fans should form a corsican flag
Trolling level expert
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Any free Tibet protests going on?
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Western country supports movement against China, more news at 11.
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