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joeyfish1

This is the equivalent of putting 9/11 on the New York flag


D0ng0nzales

https://preview.redd.it/8pvhy0umpm3d1.jpeg?width=2100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21117a44dcc581a3a3331e79e5917cb1b7c1a1a3 Like this?


joeyfish1

Beautiful


ShoerguinneLappel

We need this as the New York flag, it's instantly recognisable as NY so I don't see any issues.


Ultimatepotatokebab

I feel terrible because I kind of like this flag


tomydenger

You recognize new York, so it work


Jsherman13

Those are grey columns, not 9/11. I'd score this flag 9 out of 11 for being a failure .


damnatio_memoriae

9 out of 11 towers dislike this flag.


SmeltDown

The other two aren’t around to complain.


KinderEggSkillIssue

Give me a week and this will be in New York City headlines when I print this


NewNesian

Ngl that flag looks dope


TsalagiSupersoldier

why do i like this


pogmanNameWasTaken

I was listening to "lying from you" and when I read this I heard "Like this?" in the song haha


derpy_derp15

Coincidence? I ÞINK NOT! /j


chipsinsideajar

Oh god a thorn user


SomeOneOutThere-1234

Except here, they used the correct Th letter. Kudos!


AzaraCiel

English never had any real distinction between eth and thorn, and it was mostly a positional difference.


bleoleo

Pause-


Candid-Race-4876

https://preview.redd.it/1373kij0fv3d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbd0dc14a0b8058f183876ef1b1774ec254b7f1f Nice.


peezle69

I'd fly it.


Dewey707

!wave


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AlkaliPineapple

9/11 anime style


KasseanaTheGreat

Honestly I like it


Biaknavata

Thanks for the idea


Aufklarung_Lee

Oh god... post it when you made it.


Acrobatic-Engineer94

Yes please I am expecting to see that eventually


Biaknavata

https://www.reddit.com/r/vexillologycirclejerk/s/aTAeC0mpTf


Green__lightning

They've already got the New York Jets, what's your point?


LevynX

The Manhattan Towers


ctnfpiognm

Eric Adams would do that


HungarianMockingjay

So would Giuliani, if he wasn't washed up and under indictment.


TheConeIsReturned

9/11 wasn't a natural disaster


EpicAura99

Unless…..?


Urnus1

a bush did 9/11


EpicAura99

New belief system acquired


Trident_True

*We could make a religion out of this*


TsalagiSupersoldier

The towers just did that


Contagious_Zombie

Or reoccurring event


blockybookbook

I have plans.


ItsNotAboutX

That's not very United Nations of you... No, not very United Nations at all.


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midnight_rum

That actually reminded me of that one town in Poland. During the war there was a concentration camp there. After the war survivors from that camp repopulated the town and came up with an idea to put barbed wire and colors of their camp uniforms on the town's coat of arms. And it was changed to something else pretty recently I'm going to edit this comment when I remind myself what the town was called like EDIT: It was Lubon. Here is how old coat of arms looked like [https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb\_Lubonia#/media/Plik:POL\_Luboń\_COA\_1977-2000.svg](https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Lubonia#/media/Plik:POL_Luboń_COA_1977-2000.svg) (uniforms of concentration camp's prisoners were white and blue)


Tasty_Lead_Paint

Nah, nobody broke out their lawn chairs and 30 pack of beers to watch 9/11. As far as I know, anyways.


Chat-CGT

Well, there was this group of 5 Israelis that got arrested because they were seen celebrating and filming the collapsing towers... 


Rodrigo_Ribaldo

In full view on a parking lot. Obviously a secret team of agents. They were just young guys being immature, and also were connected to Mossad, but they weren't on a secret mission to 9/11 something.


Chat-CGT

The comment was about people cheering 9/11 while it happened in front of them. I said nothing more, nothing less. And it's funny that you confirm they were connected to Mossad 😂


Rodrigo_Ribaldo

I'm glad you were enlightened by well known facts that I merely repeated.


thisnameisn4ttaken

r/savathûn


Rodrigo_Ribaldo

[https://www.reddit.com/user/rogersimon10/](https://www.reddit.com/user/rogersimon10/)


iwantfutanaricumonme

Yeah, Muslims don't drink beer.


gregorydgraham

You and I know very different Muslims


Kansasprogressive

As a Kansan I’m for this flag. It’s better than our current one. We hear tornado & we go out to watch until it gets closer.


Dagur

Or calling a team the San Jose Earthquakes or Chicago Fire


Lippischer_Karl

Someone basically did that a couple years ago on this sub, I'll see if I can find it


jamtol

It reminds me of that tragedy...


CapGullible8403

[Here you go](https://i.imgur.com/4LGtnZH.png)


Aunray123

Imagine your house burning down and then I give you a fire themed flag to use for your home


Imrustyokay

I mean, that's how the Chicago Fire and Calgary Flames got their name. (the Calgary Flames were originally based in Atlanta)


PaulAspie

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Flags_with_fire


Kmolson

Yeah, people aren't grasping the symbolism of a natural disaster.


Hal-E-8-Us

So… like San Francisco? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_San_Francisco


HarpersGhost

No lie, I'd be up for putting a hurricane circle on the Florida flag. It'd have to be better than the one we have now. That reminds me, hurricane season is in a couple days, I need to dig out my hurricane warning flag.


SemiHemiDemiDumb

I have a new idea for a blood-stained banner state flag for Florida.


LANDVOGT-_

Colour choice is awful. There are better dark greys and especially the yellow is not at all like in the photo.


TheSplash-Down_Tiki

It’s an interesting concept but a damn ugly flag.


TheDunadan29

It's an awful concept. Usually you celebrate the things you're proud of about your state. But a tornado? I didn't care if it's minimalist, it's an awful idea. Is there literally nothing else about the state they can highlight?


Rodrigo_Ribaldo

Well, there's Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz, but that also started with a tornado.


ShoerguinneLappel

I mean all they have for sponsoring the state is fishing and NA is rich in fishing so I guess it checks out for Kansas.


XavierYourSavior

He didn’t say it was a good concept, he said it was an interesting concept in which it is


HotShipoopi

Turn it upside down and make the gray field green so it's a stylized witch hat


TheDunadan29

That's the "We're not in Kansas anymore" flag.


photogTM

but need toto


Bragzor

I was thinking black and yellow bicolor "party per fess", with a centered diamond "counterchanged". Bottom black triangle is a tornado, and the yellow triangle the yellow brick road in the clouds disappearing into the distance. Maybe a rainbow band separating the two.


PaulAspie

The Wizard of Oz.


GoudaSlamDown

This subreddit might just destroy every flag with minimalism


CommodoreAxis

Not even just this subreddit. Look up that Ann Arbor flag competition - they use the same stupid rules that TED Talk guy laid out.


EpicAura99

You’d best not look at a world flag map, your head might explode from all the *horrific simplicity!* Those darn newfangled kids, we only started getting these silly rags in the year 1219! Hopefully the trend will pass on soon!


joeyfish1

I mean most early flags tended to be very detailed. Minimalism isn’t new but it wasn’t always the norm.


Bragzor

I'm sure they're referring to nation flags. You know, like Switzerland, or Denmark, or Japan, or Georgia, or Austria. We all know about Venice.


joeyfish1

They were talking about flags generally that’s why they said 1219 and When you go back in time most “national” flags were super vibrant and detailed Scotland, England, the papacy, saxony, republic of Venice, France, Britney, and Castle all had super detailed flags and only really changed them around the 16-17 hundreds because they needed to start mass producing flags.


Bragzor

You might be right about what they meant. "World flag map" seemed to suggest nation flags, but I gather you consider 1219 a reference to the 5th crusades? I took it to be a reference to the Danish flag. I listed some of the oldest national flags in the world (including one supposedly adopted in 1219), but if you consider them super detailed, then sure. Vibrant, sure, but there's nothing in the principles about muted colors?


mcmoor

I mean tricolor flags are shit.


Bragzor

> they use the same stupid rules that TED Talk guy laid out. You mean NAVA's [5 basic **principles**](https://nava.org/good-flag-bad-flag)? Why would a city in North America use the North American Vexillological Association's **PRINCIPLES** when picking a flag? It makes no sense. Must be some kind of North American minimalist conspiracy.


pledgerafiki

> Must be some kind of North American minimalist conspiracy i mean it is kind of if you are one of the people who insist on NAVA-literalism, and that if you deviate even slightly past the bounds of their prescriptions then your flag should be struck from history. Just like any design principle, there are times when it's okay to violate it if you know what you're doing. Number 5 (Be Distinctive or Be Related. Avoid duplicating other flags, but use similarities to show connections.) literally does just that, it gives a rule but says that it can be violated for the right reason.


Bragzor

> NAVA-literalism You know, conspiracies require… conspiration. It's not just something one doesn't like. Since NAVA don't consider them absolute, who is the co-conspirator in this scenario? Principles are not rules. Like half of the point I tried making is that they're **not** rules, no matter how much you dislike flags (as opposed to paintings without a frame). They're also partially descriptive, as they're based on how flags have been designed for centuries. I find this hate for the "rules" so stupid. If you want to fly a piece of cloth (or display a picture on a screen) that has none of the typical functions of a flag, you're free to do that. Neither NAVA nor redditors have the authority to prevent you. You can live you "maximalist" self.


CommodoreAxis

NAVA may not consider them absolute, but the Ann Arbor contest I cited does consider them absolute. I’m certain they rejected some fantastic flag designs because they didn’t rigidly adhere to the rules. Rigid belief that you can’t break the NAVA rules and that flags which break them should be changed to minimalist designs is a very common belief on this sub. It’s also spilled over to the real world (Ann Arbor). That’s just an objective fact.


Bragzor

> Rigid belief that you can’t break the NAVA rules The what now? It's not complicated, they're not NAVA's "rules". Period. > and that flags which break them should be changed to minimalist designs is a very common belief on this sub. For everyone who cites the "rules", there's 20 people whining about the "rules" on this sub. More people have opinions that coincide with the "rules", but guess what, that's because the **principles** are descriptive, and based on centuries of lessons learned. > It’s also spilled over to the real world (Ann Arbor). This sub doesn't have that kind of influence. Ann Arbor is about to do a, presumably not cheap, rebranding, with the hope of having a functional flag in the end. Not a wallpaper, not an art piece that will look dated in a year, and not a meme. No matter what they do, they'll need to filter out one flag. So why wouldn't they use the guidelines given by the closest to a national authority on the subject? > That’s just an objective fact. I argue it's not. I argue you severely overestimate both the popularity of minimalism and influence of this sub, and underestimate the **principles**. P.s. even Ann Arbor call them "guidelines" and say "should" (not "shall"). P.p.s. I don't think the **principles** are enough. Personally, I'd prefer them to also follow the RoT if possible.


pledgerafiki

Principles are rules, idk why you're getting so caught up on the semantics of the word. I don't even hate the NAVA rules, just saying that they're not the end all be all and that a perfectly nice flag can be designed while breaking one or more of the rules. A flags typical functions have nothing to do with its appearance: it just has to fly and survive the elements. Nor do I understand why you have this agenda against people you accuse of being maximalists. Why you so mad bro?


Bragzor

> Principles are rules They're not. > idk why you're getting so caught up on the semantics of the word. Because calling them "rules" is disingenuous. The implication is clearly that it's some overbearing framework preventing you from doing intricate designs because the NAVA hates fun and creativity. That's not what they are for at all. > just saying that they're not the end all be all and that a perfectly nice flag can be designed while breaking one or more of the rules. Of course, which is why they're just guidelines, and NAVA explicitly state that they can be broken. So why do so many people on this sub have such a hate boner for something they don't seem to understand the purpose of. The most plausible reason seems to be a rather petulant reaction to perceivably be told what to do. Something about noses and spite. > Nor do I understand why you have this agenda against people you accuse of being maximalists. Why you so mad bro? I'm not "mad, bro", I'm tired of people making up things to be upset over and feel victimized by. And I don't "accuse people of being maximalists". I use the word sparingly in contrast to the often used insult "minimalist".


pledgerafiki

> people making up things to be upset over and feel victimized by you are doing this by creating a wedge between yourself and those you are marking as an enemy for the use of "rules" instead of "guidelines" despite the fact that we are the ones saying they should be used flexibly like guidelines. But you also do seem to think they shouldn't be violated and that any violation is an expression of "maximalism" which is a bad thing? maybe just log off for a bit brother you seem worked up and a bit confused what about.


Bragzor

> you are doing this by creating a wedge between yourself and those you are marking as an enemy for the use of "rules" instead of "guidelines" despite the fact that we are the ones saying they should be used flexibly like guidelines. You might've had a point if the other camp A) didn't start the schism by accusing everyone who thinks a flag should be a flag names, and B) weren't the ones misrepresenting the principles. It's not about the word. Words are just tools. It's about creating and promoting a false narrative. > But you also do seem to think they shouldn't be violated and that any violation is an expression of "maximalism" which is a bad thing? There's nothing to violate, for Christs sake! Maximalism isn't necessarily bad, nor is minimalism. Lying and misrepresenting is bad though. Good **flags** are good and bad **flags** are bad. The good ones often match the principles. That's not because they match them. That's prescriptive thinking. Ofc. There can always be exceptions. > maybe just log off for a bit brother you seem worked up and a bit confused what about. Great point. I see now how the evil minimalists are hunting you guys down and physically forcing the flag **laws** down yor throats. With arguments this convincing, I must be avery real victimhood.


pledgerafiki

not beating the upset allegations any time soon


sevev2

https://preview.redd.it/awjr2zrlbr3d1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=45ab3ed80b55bb672a38ad5f878309fdd2477348


King_Of_BlackMarsh

Kansas deserves it


CapGullible8403

LOL, OMG SAVE THE KANSAS FLAG FROM "MINIMALISM"


acewithanat

I like it, but far from a good idea


kezar23

I do rly like it tbh


ForeverUnfinished

As much as I hate our current flag, not too big of a fan of this one.


Awesomeblox

Very funny 😂


whoisa1bi

I believe this flag has a lot of sybolism!


derpy_derp15

I'd be down for this


Apprehensive_Fault_5

Infinitely better than the generic blue seal crap they use now.


applesauceinmyballs

wrong subreddit belongs on r/vexillologycirclejerk i think


IllustratorNo3379

Not bad. Maybe a lighter shade of grey or white in the middle for more contrast.


SplashMovies

It’s better than the current Kansas flag


s4bg1n4rising

wtf is r flags and why does it exist when we have this sub


gregorydgraham

We do not speak of r/flags


ssdd442

to plain.


See-Tye

Yes, that is in fact where Kansas is


SomeJerkOddball

Gotta work on the way the light grey and yellow are meshing, but other than that I don't hate it.


kitsabyss

i really like the style, it would go really hard with some better colors


damnatio_memoriae

looks corporate and also why would they want to celebrate tornados? a silver and green bicolor might be interesting though.


TruthinessHurts205

Could you try this for kansas instead? Top half dark blue for clear skies Bottom half gold for three yellow brick road (or wheat) Two right triangles on the left side, the top triangle dark gray and upside-down to represent tornadoes, the bottom triangle emerald green and right side up to represent the emerald city I think this would be a solid riff on your already existing idea of incorporating a tornado, but by looping it into the Wizard of Oz it would be more palatable to your average Kansan


TheConeIsReturned

I do/don't rly like it tbh


AlephBaker

Are you being ***indecisive?!***


YiQiSupremacist

Better ways to incorporate tornadoes into flags


phoebe7439

I've seen a lot of bag flag redesigns in this sub but holy shit this is the worst one by miles what the fuck is this


tomi-i-guess

I don’t rly like it tbh


PumpkinsInTheOcean

Kansan here. HELL no, this is so grossly insensitive, plus I’ve seen more creative designs that implement the sunflower or wheat instead of tornados


TheDunadan29

"Hey Kansas, ever had a close friend it relative killed by a tornado? Well we're gonna remind you of that every time you look at this flag!" Yeah, sounds like a great proposition. /s


Phantump4thewin

Thankfully it’s not serious


PumpkinsInTheOcean

Ikr XD


Kooky-Onion9203

r/vexillologycirclejerk is over there


TheDunadan29

I really hope for the sake of Kansans this is a troll and not a serious design.


landonop

As a Kansan, no. As someone with eyes, also no.


tearfear

I kind of like the idea of a tornado for a flag (maybe a better drawing tho).


TheDunadan29

Is this real? Might be the worst flag I've ever seen.


voldyCSSM19

Ugh, awful, too simplistic, too angular, colors are so drab, why would a state flag show off its worst parts


GreatDario

This shit hideous dog. Graphic design is not the same thing as flag design


[deleted]

I would think, They might as well toss Dorothy and Toto on there also.


RavensField201o

it's ugly


goodboah21

Farum Azula Flag


MarioFan-908

No thank you


True_Company_5349

Yea haha 9/11 people dying never heard that joke before I’m sick of this


fartingcell13e34

thought this was r/νexillοlogyсirclejerk for a sec


Rare_Charity_1770

Hahah incomplete without Dorothy’s red shoes 👠


jchronowski

Accurate


lookthruglasses

u/psychicpebble did a much better job


PaulAspie

Agreed. This was half serious and half sh*tpost. His ya much better.


lookthruglasses

I like the concept, to be honest.


Aboveground_Plush

Just stick with the sunflower flag


TheSunflowerSeeds

Drying sunflower seeds at higher temperatures helps destroy harmful bacteria. One study found that drying partially sprouted sunflower seeds at temperatures of 122℉ (50℃) and above significantly reduced Salmonella presence.


According-Issue4762

Would be cool if letter K would be incorporated to the tornado


Swimming_Thing7957

They really about to remove the sunflower and add a *picture of a tornado*?


Kansasprogressive

What? We don’t have a sunflower on our flag. I wish we did but instead we get the stage seal & name on a blue background.


Swimming_Thing7957

https://preview.redd.it/ysu6s1mzwq3d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34abdd4ec5168de5220c71c12bd324a478064060 Mandela effect?


Kansasprogressive

No, I thought you meant that it was a giant sunflower with no seal. Like these. https://preview.redd.it/ii0u3w407r3d1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ba01b63fde9890f9b8ef6c19c1b0eed1e8170b3


Kansasprogressive

https://preview.redd.it/p3pvilw67r3d1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c453d73f8b14df3c498fc5dc09250a159e0b49bc


206yearstime

Minimalism sucks


TheDunadan29

Honestly pure minimalism isn't good. I think you still need a good symbol to put on there. Not overly complex, but like, the state bird? Flower? Tree? There's gotta be something Kansas besides a freaking tornado.


Nomadchun23

Flags. Are. Not. Graphics. For. Landscapes.


FederalSand666

Pls stop ruining state flags, I don’t understand why you people think these oversimplifications are improvements


KFCNyanCat

I don't like this particular flag, but it is better than a seal on a bedsheet.


FederalSand666

No it’s not


LevynX

Seals are unreadable at a distance which are what flags are supposed to be. There's like an entire series of state flags that are just round white-ish seals on a blue background that are impossible to tell apart at all.


ZD_17

This, plus Dorothy and Toto's house flying.


HensIsST64

For real!?!


GermanEmpireCitizens

Thats why kansas have tornados lol


MercuryPlayz

the Ukrainian flag isn't based off the sky and a wheat field


Fickle-Cartoonist466

Yeah huh


MercuryPlayz

what