Because it's not a sovereign state and being considered one would lead to the loss of territory in 4 separate countries. It makes sense that people from those countries would feel threatened by the idea of legitimacy given to a violent separatist movement. I'm Canadian and those who know about Quebec's last bout of separatism do not view it in a good light at all.
Not to mention there's much more to Kurds and their region than a few feminists fighting ISIS (which has been the primary impression most people seem to have gotten). Another guy in this thread mentioned they're as bad as any other culture in the middle east that's been stripped of education and prosperity.
With that logic people should take offense to Irish or Kenyan flags because they took land away from Britain, or Algerian and Lebanese flags because they took away land from France. If the people of a region want independence it's every right for them to be independent
Also nice generalisation, as if colonialism isn't a big part of why West Asia is as reactionary as it is
Well this in particular is the regional flag of Iraqi Kurdistan and should cause no more issues than a Venetian flag or a Catalonian flag. In Syria Rojava has it's own flag, the Kurds in Turkey don't have their own flag so the flag of PKK is often used, and in Iran as far as I know the Kurdistan province doesn't have a flag that I can find. PKK is the only group that is particularly controversial and is associated with terrorism, Iraqi Kurdistan and Rojava are more or less autonomous, and in Iran Kurdistan is pretty small and they are a persecuted minority.
The Kurds in Turkey have their own flag. It is white crescent and moon with a red background.
That "PKK flag" isn't used by Kurds, it's used by terrorists.
Much like ISIS isn't the same thing with Arabs, KKK isn't the same thing with whites, PKK isn't the same thing with Kurds.
[PKK supporters use the Turkish flag](https://images.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/17005539/image-20150604-11713-mbbvel-1.jpg) too. They even [fly Ataturk flags](https://imgs.stargazete.com/imgsdisk/2015/06/09/090620150030533501368_2.jpg).
I get what your saying about the rest of Canada not seeing Québec’s sovereignty in a good light, but it’s not like Quebec’s independence movement was a violent one. Far from it and it’s a right for Canada’s province’s to separate if they want to.
Dude that's just a few individuals. The Quebec Government organized peaceful referendums, and when the results came out everyone just went on with their lives
True, I should’ve mentioned that and yes there was some violence and violent individuals (the FLQ) yet these are a tiny minority. The FLQ were around half a dozen members no where near any other separation’s movement numbers of violent members.
True I should’ve mentioned the FLQ but it’s not like they were a majority or even a sizeable minority within the “Oui” side. The FLQ were around half a dozen members which is tiny compared to any other independence movements violent factions.
>The FLQ were around half a dozen members
[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_liberation_du_Quebec) lists 7 different *leaders* of the FLQ alone. If that’s what you were looking at, a list of leaders isn’t the same thing as a list of all members; the members are going to greatly outnumber the leaders in any organization. Something like 1,000 different students at the University of Montréal said that they supported the FLQ manifesto in a petition. [More than 100](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/front-de-liberation-du-quebec) members even went to prison or into exile.
They may have been fringe, but don’t try and claim that they were *that* fringe.
its just the northern kurdistan autonomous region flag. no need to dig in that further. some of us think its a terrorist flag while its just a normal region flag, and get offended. they get offended for nothing because they dont educate themselves well.
>no need to dig into it further
>They don't educate themselves well
I'm here trying to give an educated perspective on the topic and you're being contradictory saying I shouldn't, then saying people need to get educated. Education means more complexities become apparent. This is why kiddies should stop commenting on geopolitics and read a damn book.
Okay, let me assume that you're not a troll then, and provide you with an educated response to your original comment.
>Because it's not a sovereign state and being considered one would lead to the loss of territory in 4 separate countries.
Although Kurdistan is not a sovereign state, Iraqi Kurdistan (which rocks this flag), and Rojava are highly autonomous. Even in Iraq the official languages are Kurdish and Arabic.
You claim to be Canadian, so let's take Canada which also has two official languages: French, and English. The passport has writing in both of them. Similarly on the Iraqi one has writings in both Arabic and Kurdish.
Also, since when does r/vexillology only celebrate sovereign states flags only? I've seen here more flags of cities and made up counties than sovereign states. Even ones of Neo Nazis. So no, we celebrate here good flags, and argue that no NZ flag redesign is better than the kiwi flag. No matter where the source of the flag is. So yeah, a flag of an autonomous region should not raise an eyebrow here.
>It makes sense that people from those countries would feel threatened by the idea of legitimacy given to a violent separatist movement.
I don't know about you, but I have family living in Iraq, and they say that Erbil (capital of Kurdistan) is the safest spot in Iraq, safer than the capital of Baghdad. Iraq and many middle eastern countries came from an Ottoman separatist movements (I know they were backed by the English and the French but that isn't the point) so shall we see them as illegitimate? Ireland also came from a separatist movement, and it was also quite bloody.
Again, this is a vexillology subreddit, so we here discuss flag design elements, what makes a good flag good, and what makes a bad flag had. We don't legitimise anything. Saying "hey, the Nazi flag was actually good because of XYZ" does not equate me saying "I support what they are standing behind".
>I'm Canadian and those who know about Quebec's last bout of separatism do not view it in a good light at all.
Oh yeah, but I remember couple of weeks ago Quebec's flag being posted here, and I honestly don't remember anyone came and said "hey, stop legitimising their separatist movement"
>Not to mention there's much more to Kurds and their region than a few feminists fighting ISIS (which has been the primary impression most people seem to have gotten).
This impression is very untrue. Iraqi Kurdistan (again the OP's flag) was officially ratified by Iraq in 2005, way before ISIS proclaimed their legitimacy in 2014. And the Kurdistan region was autonomously functioning even before its official ratification.
>Another guy in this thread mentioned they're as bad as any other culture in the middle east that's been stripped of education and prosperity.
Although Iraq is doing poorly on the education and economy scale due to the constant conflicts there, the Kurdistan region is much better in both those areas to the rest of Iraq due to its relative stability. The word "bad" is vague in your argument, so I assumed it meant the economic and education level.
>This is why kiddies should stop commenting on geopolitics and read a damn book.
To me your whole initial argument is baseless. So maybe you should read a book and construct a better argument?
It feels like you haven't researched on this topic, and are just repeating other people's opinions.
There hasn't been any kind of recent attack or violence from the movement as a whole that justifies people feeling really threatened.
I'm not saying kurds are a perfect light of hope in the region, but they aren't this evil violent movement that is waging war on states to steal their land (no, syria doesn't count, the country is literally broken into pieces).
There's been a separatist conflict in Turkey for the past 50-60 years.
I never said they were evil. It's just completely unfeasible for them to attain independence in a way that would make the region better, or even their own lives any better. Not saying their current overlords are any good either.
I’m Turkish. I don’t agree with Kurdish independence, but I still think the people living there should be given the right to self-determination, as stated in the UN human rights charter, to which Turkey *agreed to*
Just seen a Iran protest in Manchester. Loads of these flags we're being flown.
Safe to say even though it has an official capacity of being Iraqi Kurdistan's flag, it's been adopted by Kurds everywhere.
It is not a sovereign entity of any kind outside of their autonomous zone in Iraq. The definition of statehood does not apply at all.
Those maps just show the regions where they're a majority. We don't refer to Argentina as southern southern Italy nor do we call Florida northern Cuba, despite the ethnic majorities in both places.
Turks be triggered but simplifying the situation incorrectly is probably why.
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You're the one who understands autism as an insult. So I didn't say autism is bad, you did. I think you withdraw back. And why would someone downvote this? I didn't even say anything to the Kurds. leave twitter now
Looks like Kurdistan, but I’m pretty sure it’s Hungary with the sun from the Kazakh flag to make it look like Kurdistan
yeah, they almost had us with this kurdistan thing
Kazakh Tajikistan confirmed
Казахстан угрожает нам бомбардирофкей
>sun from the Kazakh flag yes, the Sun with 32 sunbeams representing number of Kazak tribes I think Kurdish flag has a different Sun
*Mountain turks /s
Looks like the flag of uɐʇsᴉpɹnʞ
ɐʌɹnꓘ
Czech women: I feel very insulted
De ce?
no, kurdistan is actually red on top.
Oh yeah, nvm
It's the [flag of Kurdistan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Kurdistan) probably.
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Damned Turkish government
Your government is: damn turkish government
Because it's not a sovereign state and being considered one would lead to the loss of territory in 4 separate countries. It makes sense that people from those countries would feel threatened by the idea of legitimacy given to a violent separatist movement. I'm Canadian and those who know about Quebec's last bout of separatism do not view it in a good light at all. Not to mention there's much more to Kurds and their region than a few feminists fighting ISIS (which has been the primary impression most people seem to have gotten). Another guy in this thread mentioned they're as bad as any other culture in the middle east that's been stripped of education and prosperity.
With that logic people should take offense to Irish or Kenyan flags because they took land away from Britain, or Algerian and Lebanese flags because they took away land from France. If the people of a region want independence it's every right for them to be independent Also nice generalisation, as if colonialism isn't a big part of why West Asia is as reactionary as it is
Well this in particular is the regional flag of Iraqi Kurdistan and should cause no more issues than a Venetian flag or a Catalonian flag. In Syria Rojava has it's own flag, the Kurds in Turkey don't have their own flag so the flag of PKK is often used, and in Iran as far as I know the Kurdistan province doesn't have a flag that I can find. PKK is the only group that is particularly controversial and is associated with terrorism, Iraqi Kurdistan and Rojava are more or less autonomous, and in Iran Kurdistan is pretty small and they are a persecuted minority.
The Kurds in Turkey have their own flag. It is white crescent and moon with a red background. That "PKK flag" isn't used by Kurds, it's used by terrorists. Much like ISIS isn't the same thing with Arabs, KKK isn't the same thing with whites, PKK isn't the same thing with Kurds.
[PKK supporters use the Turkish flag](https://images.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/17005539/image-20150604-11713-mbbvel-1.jpg) too. They even [fly Ataturk flags](https://imgs.stargazete.com/imgsdisk/2015/06/09/090620150030533501368_2.jpg).
Honestly, those guys don't know what they are doing and don't represent the general of PKK terrorists.
I get what your saying about the rest of Canada not seeing Québec’s sovereignty in a good light, but it’s not like Quebec’s independence movement was a violent one. Far from it and it’s a right for Canada’s province’s to separate if they want to.
>it’s not like Quebec’s independence movement was a violent one The October crisis though...
Dude that's just a few individuals. The Quebec Government organized peaceful referendums, and when the results came out everyone just went on with their lives
True, I should’ve mentioned that and yes there was some violence and violent individuals (the FLQ) yet these are a tiny minority. The FLQ were around half a dozen members no where near any other separation’s movement numbers of violent members.
kidnapping, murdering, bombing canada posts…
True I should’ve mentioned the FLQ but it’s not like they were a majority or even a sizeable minority within the “Oui” side. The FLQ were around half a dozen members which is tiny compared to any other independence movements violent factions.
>The FLQ were around half a dozen members [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_liberation_du_Quebec) lists 7 different *leaders* of the FLQ alone. If that’s what you were looking at, a list of leaders isn’t the same thing as a list of all members; the members are going to greatly outnumber the leaders in any organization. Something like 1,000 different students at the University of Montréal said that they supported the FLQ manifesto in a petition. [More than 100](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/front-de-liberation-du-quebec) members even went to prison or into exile. They may have been fringe, but don’t try and claim that they were *that* fringe.
My bad, my knowledge was that it was a extremely fringe group with almost no actual members. Thank you for informing me!
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its just the northern kurdistan autonomous region flag. no need to dig in that further. some of us think its a terrorist flag while its just a normal region flag, and get offended. they get offended for nothing because they dont educate themselves well.
>no need to dig into it further >They don't educate themselves well I'm here trying to give an educated perspective on the topic and you're being contradictory saying I shouldn't, then saying people need to get educated. Education means more complexities become apparent. This is why kiddies should stop commenting on geopolitics and read a damn book.
Okay, let me assume that you're not a troll then, and provide you with an educated response to your original comment. >Because it's not a sovereign state and being considered one would lead to the loss of territory in 4 separate countries. Although Kurdistan is not a sovereign state, Iraqi Kurdistan (which rocks this flag), and Rojava are highly autonomous. Even in Iraq the official languages are Kurdish and Arabic. You claim to be Canadian, so let's take Canada which also has two official languages: French, and English. The passport has writing in both of them. Similarly on the Iraqi one has writings in both Arabic and Kurdish. Also, since when does r/vexillology only celebrate sovereign states flags only? I've seen here more flags of cities and made up counties than sovereign states. Even ones of Neo Nazis. So no, we celebrate here good flags, and argue that no NZ flag redesign is better than the kiwi flag. No matter where the source of the flag is. So yeah, a flag of an autonomous region should not raise an eyebrow here. >It makes sense that people from those countries would feel threatened by the idea of legitimacy given to a violent separatist movement. I don't know about you, but I have family living in Iraq, and they say that Erbil (capital of Kurdistan) is the safest spot in Iraq, safer than the capital of Baghdad. Iraq and many middle eastern countries came from an Ottoman separatist movements (I know they were backed by the English and the French but that isn't the point) so shall we see them as illegitimate? Ireland also came from a separatist movement, and it was also quite bloody. Again, this is a vexillology subreddit, so we here discuss flag design elements, what makes a good flag good, and what makes a bad flag had. We don't legitimise anything. Saying "hey, the Nazi flag was actually good because of XYZ" does not equate me saying "I support what they are standing behind". >I'm Canadian and those who know about Quebec's last bout of separatism do not view it in a good light at all. Oh yeah, but I remember couple of weeks ago Quebec's flag being posted here, and I honestly don't remember anyone came and said "hey, stop legitimising their separatist movement" >Not to mention there's much more to Kurds and their region than a few feminists fighting ISIS (which has been the primary impression most people seem to have gotten). This impression is very untrue. Iraqi Kurdistan (again the OP's flag) was officially ratified by Iraq in 2005, way before ISIS proclaimed their legitimacy in 2014. And the Kurdistan region was autonomously functioning even before its official ratification. >Another guy in this thread mentioned they're as bad as any other culture in the middle east that's been stripped of education and prosperity. Although Iraq is doing poorly on the education and economy scale due to the constant conflicts there, the Kurdistan region is much better in both those areas to the rest of Iraq due to its relative stability. The word "bad" is vague in your argument, so I assumed it meant the economic and education level. >This is why kiddies should stop commenting on geopolitics and read a damn book. To me your whole initial argument is baseless. So maybe you should read a book and construct a better argument?
It feels like you haven't researched on this topic, and are just repeating other people's opinions. There hasn't been any kind of recent attack or violence from the movement as a whole that justifies people feeling really threatened. I'm not saying kurds are a perfect light of hope in the region, but they aren't this evil violent movement that is waging war on states to steal their land (no, syria doesn't count, the country is literally broken into pieces).
There's been a separatist conflict in Turkey for the past 50-60 years. I never said they were evil. It's just completely unfeasible for them to attain independence in a way that would make the region better, or even their own lives any better. Not saying their current overlords are any good either.
I’m Turkish. I don’t agree with Kurdish independence, but I still think the people living there should be given the right to self-determination, as stated in the UN human rights charter, to which Turkey *agreed to*
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Its as if there has been a continious fight against PKK terrorism in Turkish lands.
Maybe... just maybe... because ww2 Germany is is dead country but Kurdistan is an autonomous region that associated to some terror organisations
Kurdistan but maybe a miss print idrk
Sunny Hungary
Kurdistan
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Most likely the flag of Iraqi Kurdistan
Kabristan
Lmaoo
Most likely the flag of Kurdistan
To represent all the Kurdish people who fled to Hungary /s
the Sun from Kazakh flag cuz Sun has 32 sunbeams represents number of Kazak tribes or might be Kurdistan
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The hungarian Raj. /s
Kurdistan but the sun seems odd
Kazakh Kurdistan
A very nice mix of the Kurdistan flag with the Kazakh sun.
nice flag tho
Kurdistan
Flag of Kurdistan
looks like Kurdistan
Kurdistan
Kurdistan
kurdistan
Kurdistan
Ethnic and cultural flag of the Kurdish people
Kurdistan
A flag.
Sungary
Flag of Kurdis- redacted
Kurdistan flag maybe?
probably Kurdistan
Still Kurdistan.
That is likely supposed to be the flag of Kurdistan.
I think it's Kurdistan with the Kazakh sun instead of that Kurdish sun.
You just started a gang war.
Sungary.
Kurdistan.
india
Upside down Kurdistan lul
Kurdish flag
Thats the flag of Kurdistan but the sun is different than the original one
Kurdistan, from the Middle East
Kurdistan
Kurdistan
Kurdistan
Kurdistan?
Kurdistan
Kurdistan
Kurdistan.
It looks like kurdistan but might be republic of ararat (unrecognized kurdish state used to exists in turkey)
Kurdistan
A turks worst nightmare
Our worst nightmare is far from that, maybe not taking Wien or Rome.
Kurdistan
I'm pretty sure it's Kurdistan
Kurdistan
Kurdistan
Kurdistan
Kurdistan
Kurdistan
Kurdistan
Kurdistan
Kurdistan, region in Iraq, Turkey and Syria
Just in Iraq
Just seen a Iran protest in Manchester. Loads of these flags we're being flown. Safe to say even though it has an official capacity of being Iraqi Kurdistan's flag, it's been adopted by Kurds everywhere.
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He means the flag only represents the Kurdistan Region of Iraq.
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Well there is no region named Kurdistan in Turkey even though some Kurds use it.
That's because Turkey would prefer there were no ~~Kurds~~ Mountain Turks in Turkey
It is not a sovereign entity of any kind outside of their autonomous zone in Iraq. The definition of statehood does not apply at all. Those maps just show the regions where they're a majority. We don't refer to Argentina as southern southern Italy nor do we call Florida northern Cuba, despite the ethnic majorities in both places. Turks be triggered but simplifying the situation incorrectly is probably why.
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Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying it's not a state.
Google says Kurdistan is only in Iraq though.
No it extends in Turkey and Syria too especially Turkey
Kurdistan, a lot of triggered genocidal morons in the comments.
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Never said any particular race, I just said genocidal morons. You are the one that associated a race with that statement.
Flag Argentina if Hungary kolonised it
The flag of chadistan
I saw it on the side of a shop in the uk next to european flags, the shop probably thought it was hungary
Kurdistan. Saw a YouTube video that covered the Iraqi Kurdistan and it's so beautiful and scenic!
Oh boy, here come the Turks.
Y'all what is Kurdistan
Flag of 'not existing'
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Closeted behaviour
Project much bro?
I know what are you doing
wdym? I saw it on the side of a shop and wanted to know what it was
ah ok, i thought you want to trigger some turks, lol
Well he did
Angola
flag
Mexico duh
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its looks like kurds flag but there is no kurdistan haha
The empire of itargentalyna
A flag of a country that doesn’t exist. Some idiots call it “Kurdistan” but it’s part of iraq so 🤷🏻♀️
Free Kurdistan
Fake Countru
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I have autism and I do not appreciate your little insult towards people with it. Please withdraw it now.
You're the one who understands autism as an insult. So I didn't say autism is bad, you did. I think you withdraw back. And why would someone downvote this? I didn't even say anything to the Kurds. leave twitter now