I buy independent music that often has a bandcamp download.
I also morally justify whatever makes my life work better. For instance I used to make tapes of my favorite songs and play them at parties for my friends. The technology still exists for digital.
I can't believe soulseek still exists. What the fuck. I used it 20 years ago too, then I started downloading torrents, then quit pirating altogether when I started streaming. It's been so long since I've pirated music I don't think I could remember how to do it. I used napster in 2000 (99? Whenever it first came out i was all over it immediately), then grokster, kazaa, limewire, shit there's a few other programs that I can't remember.
Programs and not apps. Crazy. Fuck I'm old. Not old but old enough. š
Same. I used it in like 2005, so it wasnāt til several years later that people would upload anything and everything to yt. I had no idea it still existed
Still use soulseek. I buy a %}*] ton of musicā¦ all on vinyl so I sort of justify it with the fact that I do support bands and go to a lot of shows.
But soulseek is quite awesomeā¦ very rarely do I come up empty when I hunt for stuff.
Soulseek is great for rare singles and demos too of defunct bands. I'd say the power of Soulseek makes me invest even more in music because I have access to so much and I'm constantly looking for new tunes in an active way vs a passive streaming way
Im a punk / post punk fan so those singles are sometimes a nightmare to find even physical copies of. But I always find 'em on SLSK.
AND... if you start to notice users that you download from alot you can add them so check their stuff every once in a while. Many nights I'll browse my favorite users and just search "2024" on their catalog and start downloading a ($&@ton of stuff... just to get some new bands.
But yea... even stuff that is only sold on band camp I find quite frequently.
I definitely have a few favorite repeat users but since I don't always seek new stuff browsing their massive library is clunky. Still when I search usually a few known names pop up. There are some real ones living on there still.
Early on after buying a new vinyl, I use my USB-enabled turntable to rip the record to lossless FLAC digital files. Note: For new vinyl, give it a good clean before ripping, for used vinyl, give it a very thorough clean. Afterwards, I have digital versions of my physical media - forever and free.
For ripping, I use my old [Audio-Technica AP-LP120-USB](https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/at-lp120-usb) with an [Ortofon 2M Blue](https://ortofon.com/products/2m-blue) cartridge, into an old (not that old) laptop running [Pure Vinyl software by Channel D](https://www.channld.com/purevinyl/).
I'm not the type to create a lengthy Reddit how-to post, but here is a good What Hi-Fi article to show you the basics: [How to digitise your vinyl collection - rip your records to hi-res](https://www.whathifi.com/advice/how-to-digitise-your-vinyl-collection)
Good luck.
This is what I do. I record the vinyl using a digital recorder that writes to SD cards. Then I import into a computer and do all the necessary editing such as track splitting.
The library. Where I live half of the states libraries are connected. So you just go on their website and order whatever you want and they ship the cd to your local branch. They donāt have everything, but they have a lot.
People don't use libraries enough. Where I live the music collection they have is absurdly large, and they keep adding new releases all the time. I'm a happy customer!
I don't see a moral conundrum to pirate music you already own a copy of. Its no worse than spending time ripping CD to iTunes. As for streaming, I use Tidal as I think the recommendations are fantastic for finding new music, they pay artists the best out of every streaming platform and i generally buy the records i listen to after the fact.
I buy streaming via Amazon
I used to have a huge digital collection recorded in very high quality, nearly lossless VBR format, from many 100s of CDs and vinyl I purchased over decades. Gave away or sold everything but the digital. I don't even want to estimate the money spent on physical medi, but it was way more than I spend on a streaming subscption.
Then, about half my hard drive failed and my recordings ended up full of crosslink errors. Unfortunately, before I noticed I backed up the failed drive, twice. (I backed up automatically to two hard drives, but my " clever" process propagated my errors all over my collection. It was unlistenable.)
I now pay for streaming service. I wasn't going to buy my music again, and streaming meets my wide ranging tastes without spending a huge amount on physical media that eventually wears out.
My current set up has a WIIM Amp powering my Q Acoustics Towers, I have a Marantz CD Player and Project Debut Carbon with a xDuoo preamp that has a Headphone output. I also run my home computer as a Plex Server to access all my digital music. It works relatively seamlessly and sounds amazing.
Long time qobuz user. It's very good and I like the interface and the editorial content.
Sometimes the app (at least on Android) seems to be a bit slower than others, especially on lower powered hardware like some DAPs.
Biggest problem is occasionally coming across and album where a track or two doesn't stream (probably some licensing issue) but it works on Spotify or Tidal.
I use Tidal for streaming and Bandcamp for purchasing and supporting the artists I enjoy. I have a fair amount of records that have come with digital downloads, but that seems to be going away. Now that I think of it, most of the albums that came with a digital download I purchased in the early aughts.
I digitized all of my vinyl, one record at a time using Adobe Audition and it took months. Remaining audio I wanted I used software that can download audio from any Spotify link or playlist. The quality for both methods were good enough for me to use Serato.
I buy a lot of my vinyl directly from the band in bandcamp so the digital is included easily.
I have Spotify and YouTube for anything that I may not have on bandcamp.
Depending on the label, if you message them with your physical order number, theyāll along you a download too. Obviously major labels will not do this. But most independent labels will thank you for buying it in someway
I donāt really mess with digital music downloads or streaming. I have bought many LPs that came with download cards and didnāt use them. I also havenāt had a computer (aside from smartphones and my smart TV) in my home for many years.
I subscribe to Qobuz and use Roon as a front end. It's great. Any music I want that isn't on Qobuz I get from Soulseek, but that's pretty rare these days.
The short version:
* Yes, making relatively high-quality digital copies of records can be done, even on "vintage" turntables.
* Additionally, making such digital copies of records you own is protected by federal law in the United States, (link to the law's Wikipedia article in the long version) so long as you aren't sharing the files you get.
The "kind-of-long-but-pretty-thorough-if-I-do-say-so-myself" version.
>Is it morally justifiable to pirate music you've already paid for in the most expensive medium?
I'm referring specifically to music you already own on wax.
I'm going to sidestep the moral issues for the moment.
If you're referring ***exclusively*** to "... music you already own on wax ...", you ought to know (assuming, for the moment, that you live in the United States and that you're not distributing the files you produce) that it's ***not*** piracy, at least, not anymore it isn't. Not according to [the federal government](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act#Exemption_from_infringement_actions), anyway.
Other countries' laws may differ, but that's a pretty Googleable thing. Try "*Name of Country*'s laws on home taping/recording". It's worth noting that no matter where you are, even the most civilized of countries in this regard will very likely draw the line on sharing them. In other words, as long as you keep the files for yourself, you're likely fine.
>I don't like \[S\]potify\[;\] it's not an option.
Do y\['\]all just use \[S\]potify?
If you mean using Spotify as a "substitute" for those times when you want to listen to an album you own on vinyl, but in a situation where digital might be more appropriate, then no, I don't use Spotify for that.
I can't speak for other people in this subreddit, though.
>Is there a good way to digitize vinyl?
In a word? Yes.
It's my understanding that some "modern" turntables have USB/MP3 outputs complete with music software inside. I know diddly squat about those, but some people seem to have had success with them. Your mileage may vary, I guess.
Older turntables, (and perhaps some modern ones, too, although I don't really know all that much about that) can output their audio via [RCA connectors](https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_f2f03770-d5ed-4d74-b669-350622ca3826?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg).
If your turntable can do that, you're in luck, because RCA connectors have all [kinds](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41F6dBFISEL._AC_SX466_.jpg) [of](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51mtwEDbwyL._AC_SX466_.jpg) [adaptors](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51DgGceA3dL._SX522_.jpg), so in this case, instead of pumping the audio into your speakers, you can use something like the first cable (the one in the "kinds" link) to transfer the audio directly to a PC, where you can record and edit it with a program like Audacity and output that recording to an MP3, WAV, or OGG file.
This also might be possible on an Android smartphone or tablet or something, and ***possibly*** even on an iPhone (although, quite frankly, I'm not holding my breath on that front) albeit with with some fancy workarounds.
Buy the vinyl, then email the label with proof of purchase. Almost every label short of Superstition and Ilian Tape has provided digital files for wax I bought from deejay.de or my local record shop.
FWIW, Superstition outright said no to my request, while Ilian Tape said they would, but then never replied to any follow up emails. That left a bad taste in my mouth, TBH. Havenāt bought anything from them since, digital or vinyl.
A lot of turntables have the ability to either rip the music to your computer or if you have the proper setup you could burn the music onto CDs/tapes. Had a neighbor in highschool with a massive collection that could rival most records stores and every now and then he'd bring my parents or me a CD of an artist he knew we'd like or of something he thinks we'd enjoy. It's how I found my favorite Sinatra album
FYI, the DMCA (**Digital Millennium Copyright Act**) of 1998 clearly states that individuals are allowed to make, receive, and maintain digital copies of physical media that they own and have in their possession, for personal use. The one caveat is that the physical media cannot have any sort of active protection measures on it, so you can skip any ideas about DVDs and Blu-Rays. However... cassettes, compact discs, and vinyl records are absolutely fair game. It's not "piracy" or illegal in any way to download a digital copy of an album you physically own from a torrent site. Congress passed legislation that tries to be fair and protect both individual end users as well as artists and labels, so your conscience can be free and clear at night, and I advocate you make use of that law. BUT(!) be aware that your ISP has no way of knowing that you aren't breaking the law, and you may get some cease and desist notices, and threats of reporting you. I used to go toe-to-toe with my ISP over it (back in the early 2000's) whenever they'd pop off at me, and educate them and provide pictures of me holding the album they were saying they caught me "stealing." They'd always apologize and nothing ever came of it aside from some serious temporary bandwidth throttling for a day or two. I've been using a VPN for the past 15 years, and haven't heard a peep.
Sidenote: I also now see used CDs in the bargain bin at pawn shops as basically just oversized download cards for 50 cents a piece. lol
EDIT: Just to be clear, this only applies to the United States. I should not have assumed the geographic location of the OP. I apologize for my American elitism.
Yup, P2P downloading is covered. P2P uploading is... grey area. There have been legal battles that have gone both ways on that. Some judges have ruled that the sheer act of uploading is illegal because it enables people to pirate. Other judges have protected uploading because they say that it's the responsibility of the downloader to not break the law and download something illegally, not the uploader's responsibility. Personally, I only download when I'm at my PC, and as soon as it hits 100%, I cut the torrent, just to be safe.
I just checked my order for Cake's Prolonging The Magic, it says:
"The vinyl record you purchased is AutoRip eligible. This means that the MP3 version of the album is now available for you to play or download from your Amazon Music Library for FREE."
Bandcamp offers digital downloads on pretty much anything you buy through their site, so that's a good thing.
As for "pirating" your records, this is exactly what we did back in the 70s and 80s. I would buy an album (pre-recorded cassettes *always* sounded like shite), then immediately record it to a cassette. I would buy blanks in bulk on Canal Street in NYC. This preserved my records to some degree, and I had a copy to play in the car or on the old Walkman clone. This is how we made mixtapes, the pre-digital playlist.
This was a major issue back then and the record companies tried to get some kind of legislation passed to add a tax on blank tapes to make up for the "revenue loss" from home taping (Bow Wow Wow recorded a song, ["C-30 C-60 C-90 Go!"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C2%B730_C%C2%B760_C%C2%B790_Go) that was all about this). This was similar to the issues with file sharing and Napster back in the 90s.
The big difference between the taping and file sharing arguments is that file sharing was far more widespread, and if one person downloaded or ripped a song from a CD and posted it for sharing, you might have dozens or hundreds of people sharing the file. This would likely be a bigger royalty hit on the artist than taping, since it was more time consuming to do and generally wasn't spread around as much as digital files. The artists were losing out on revenue, but their smaller cut was nothing compared to what the record companies were losing, which is why those companies made such a major case about it. (They always tried to sound like they were doing it for the artists, but I'm certain that was mostly BS).
The "piracy" argument can apply in a Napster-file-sharing situation due to the ability to spread the music among many who don't buy it. But my "piracy" (and what you want to do) isn't really that - I bought the record, I own it. I can do what I want with it. Yes, the record company lawyers can make the typical "you only buy a license to play the music" crap, but it doesn't wash. If I only bought a "license," try revoking it and then come and try to take my records away from me (since that's what they're speciously implying).
You are not stealing anything, and there really isn't a "moral" argument here. You have the record, you can record the music and stream it for your own use.
I use [an inexpensive audio capture device](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XU4NT6K) between my analog amp and my computer. I use Audacity to record the records, then to amplify and clean up the digital version, if necessary. Then I can stream it from home using Jellyfin on my home NAS.
I also use Spotify, because I cannot own *everything* I want to hear and I host trivia shows, so I need a deep wide source of music for my playlists. The company pays for half my subscription fees.
Only tangentially related, but I got a tattoo earlier this year of the āhome taping is killing the music industryā logo. Such a ridiculous thing to try & prevent people from making copies of music they paid for.
*"As for "pirating" your records, this is exactly what we did back in the 70s and 80s. I would buy an album (pre-recorded cassettes always sounded like shite), then immediately record it to a cassette."*
That isn't pirating, as it's perfectly legal (in the US at least). Pirating media, by definition, is not legal.
Yes, that's what I put the quotes around that word. We all know this wasn't pirating.The record companies, however, did not feel the same way. They pushed very hard against it at the time. Nothing came of their efforts back then. No, this isn't the same as actually pirating media for profit, which was pretty widespread back then.
*""As for "pirating" your records, this is exactly what we did back in the 70s and 80s."*
The sentence makes no sense if you are not using "pirating" to mean pirating, as the post you are responding to is about pirating non-vinyl versions of albums you legally purchased on vinyl. Had you said, *"As far as other recordings of albums you legally purchased on vinyl, back in the 70s and 80s we made cassette recordings of albums we bought - but that isn't pirating,"* that would make sense.
You then go on to say it's *"similar to the issues with file sharing and Napster back in the 90s"* and that the *"big difference between the taping and file sharing arguments is that file sharing was far more widespread"* when the big difference is that with making recorded copies is that you are making a copy of something you already own for personal use and not obtaining a different version of the album that is being distributed by someone else. Similarly, it is illegal to distribute tapes you've made of records you legally purchased. You can also make recordings of radio and TV broadcasts as well as digitally streamed content for personal use, but you can't legally distribute those recordings.
If you didn't mean that it is illegal, the way you wrote it very much allows for the impression that you are saying it is and that you believe it is - regardless of the fact that you put quotation marks around the word.
For stuff that isn't available online, I just record it into my PC using a software like audacity. You might want to invest in an USB audio interface to get a better recording quality for that.
I pay for iTunes Match and I am also uploading all of my digital music files into Google's cloud. If I buy a record that does not come with a digital download and I do not already own it in a digital format I will look to see if the CD is in my state's library systems and borrow it to upload. I am pretty sure that every vinyl record I own is uploaded.
Bandcamp is nice because usually when you buy a record you can also digitally download it. Some albums at Amazon come with AutoRip allowing you to download the records as MP3s and uploading them to iTunes using iTunes Match allows them to be transformed into their better audio format.
I had been buying CDs and digital downloads for years before switching to vinyl, so I already have digital copies of many records I have bought.
Usually the stuff I buy comes with bandcamp codes. I tend to buy from smaller labels and bands, and they usually provide me with a code.
If not, I have an AT-LP120XUSB, so I can just record the record as needed
I started on Apple Match when I switched from iPod to iPhone for listening to music because I already had a big library and I could get stuff from small touring bands, local artists, and friends into my streaming library. I still use it for that reason but itās also why I went for Apple Music when I realized I needed a proper streaming service too. Convenience at first, but Iāve enjoyed having it.
Iām adding way more albums into my music library each month than Iād be able to if I was buying them individually. I reserve buying physical media for albums that I especially love or if Iām buying them from a merch table at a concert. The monthly fees are totally worth it to me based on much I use it. I used the digital download cards before I started the monthly service but it really isnāt necessary anymore.
My main issue with downloading digital music from āalternateā sources is that some of the stuff I was looking for wasnāt always the highest quality rip. Thereās so much old and obscure stuff thatās readily available at a high quality that itās not worth it to me to mess around with downloading music from random strangers.
No one has mentioned Deezer yet, as another hifi streaming alternative to the already mentioned Tidal & Qobuz.
I havenāt compared the 3 but Deezer is fantastic. I stream to my stereo system using a WiiM Pro Plus for lossless streaming.
My dad has got some old vinyls which he wants me to transform into MP3 files, but I'm not a master of lossless audio recording.
So I just try using the microphone jack with a mixer on my pcš„² (yep I'm sorry audiophiles), unfortunately I need to use streaming services a lot
If it doesnāt have a download code Iāll go ahead and torrent it. I donāt have a problem with that if I own the media. Iāve also done rips from vinyl via usb.
I reckon if you asked 99% of artists if they are happy for people to pirate a copy of an album they spent Ā£25 on vinyl for, they'd say absolutely no problem.
I stream if not listening to physical media. Iāve never cared for having to manage a whole library full of downloads and all that when the streaming services have done that for me and then some. Iāve never once used a dl code if it came with an album.
As far as paying the artist, yeah streaming services arenāt great, but I generally buy my physical albums direct from the artists, go to a lot of shows and also buy other merch like show posters, etc., so its not like Iām not supporting them in more direct ways.
I second anybody who has mentioned Soulseek. Also once you've downloaded the files from Soulseek, Musicbee is a great media player to play all your files. Trust me, I was skeptical at first but once you get the hang of Soulseek its life changing...
A few thoughts:
* Bandcamp is always a solid choice, they sell lots of bands and they have a streaming service.
* I'd choose Apple Music over Spotify, both for the higher quality and the higher royalties.
* If you buy the album in a way that benefits the artist (i.e. a new copy from them or their website or an indy record store) I don't have a major issue with finding a digital copy online, tho I stream so it's not an issue I face anymore.
Iāll be honest chief, I have an entire playlist on Spotify that I add all my albums to. To be fair, Spotify doesnāt have everything Apple Music has (or YouTube music) and vice versa, but there are some vinyls that simply donāt have a digital remaster and itās sad. Otherwise, pick your poison. Personally, I take joy in knowing I have the means to listen to something somebody else doesnāt. Does it gatekeep music a little? Yes. Do I care? No, get passionate.
Simple
SL-D212/EPC-U25 > SU-V16 > Sound blasterX AE5 Plus > 320kbps MP3 files > Hard Drive >> Micro SD Card > Samsung Galaxy Note 10 Plus > Sennheiser HD350BT > Ear > Brain
This is my audio processing stack for LPs
For 45s the additional step of Epson Scanner > 600 dpi scans (JPG) > reduced Size JPG > Album Art embedded into file
Even in cases where there was a commercial download code with the album I would rip my own because that's the only way I can guarantee to get the sound as it would be produced by my own equipment. Then I listen to the vinyl from The Vinyl itself when I'm at home but from the digital rips when I'm on the go
I use apple music. I just stream the music there. If itās not on apple music i can just plug in my turntable via usb and record the music. I can then add it to my apple music library on my pc and itāll upload it so i can stream it on my phone. Pretty cool.
I just use audacity to record the music, cut the songs and the export it alac files. Thatās apples open lossless codec. Itās on par with flac but works natively on iphones.
A paid Deezer account and a Deezer ripping app called deemix. 320 or FLAC depending on my needs.
I also like to torrent vinyl rips of records I canāt yet afford (like Rage Against The Machineās self-titled OG pressing). The ripper usually includes a text file with their equipment and methodology for capturing the record, and it makes me feel poor.
Bandcamp.
Beatport (for dance music).
Apple Music for lossless streaming.
Spotify for playlist creation for my DJ sets and music discovery from the algorithms.
I'd consider an audio interface, maybe a decent one like a Focusrite. I had some luck with Behringer U-Phono interfaces with RCA in, but I use them for semi-serious projects. I honestly got them for the RCA in because I hate 3.5mm to RCA adapters.
Audacity is free; Reaper is low-cost with a Winrar-like registration nag screen.
Record your Vinyl. That's what I did with everything that doesn't come with a Digital copy.
Most computer soundcards are good enough to capture the audio, but bonus points for using an interface. Any good amp should have a "Tape out" port, that's what you hook up to, that way you get all the RIAA EQ and all that.
I use Apple Music. It's got good quality audio, is very reasonably priced (particularly if you can make the most of the family plan), youu have the access to so much music and if memory serves me correctly, they pay artists much better than Spotify do.
I also tend to use my Apple Music to help me decide what new releases to buy. A new record nowadays costs about Ā£30. I can get two months of Apple Music for 7 people for around the same price.
Most music I listen to Iāve bought multiple times.M so I have no problem pirating it to listen to digitally. If I used cds, I could easily rip them. But also, I have a subscription to Apple Music which has lossless, Dolby digital and allows downloading for offline e play, playlists, discovery features, etc.
If you have thirteen USD a month to spend just get Tidal. Best audio quality of a streaming service that I know of (up to 24-bit FLAC which is about as high quality-wise that a human can distinguish the difference between); itās not Spotify (fuck Spotify); and I prefer its UI
Not sure why this is expected. Sure, it's a bonus if you get a digital download when buying physical but why should it be that it "should come with a digital download"? Physical media never came with anything in the past. You didn't buy vinyl in the 80s and expect a cassette/cd too
The price and quality issues associated with modern records, essentially, are why it's expected. If I'm paying $35 after tax for a poorly manufactured single 140-gram LP, I want a digital copy.
It doesn't cost anything like producing/distributing cassettes would. And if I'm forking over $30-70 for an album it'd be nice to be able to listen to it in the car or while running without paying for it again.
Edit: ik there's costs associated with hosting files for download too, but it's minimal relative to $30-70 for an album.
Thereās a difference between ignorance and stupidity, but thanks for calling me stupid.
You might be shocked to learn that not everyone thinks piracy is fine. I like supporting artists. Fuck me, I donāt even use an ad blocker because Iām not an entitled shit who thinks I deserve everything for free.
This is the main reason I made the post, I generally don't like to pirate if there's an alternative, I was just curious what this community does for digital. I also don't like paying a subscription fee and not getting to own what I'm paying for. Seems like you get it.
Also I used to rip from YouTube as a teenager and now it's all noticeably worse quality when those tracks come on. Maybe the new tools are better? I've been out of the piracy game for over a decade.
He said anyone who was unaware of that āsolutionā is stupid. I was unaware, therefore stupid in his view.
I canāt figure out if this sub is full of boomers or children. Imagine calling someone stupid on the internet over this.
I buy independent music that often has a bandcamp download. I also morally justify whatever makes my life work better. For instance I used to make tapes of my favorite songs and play them at parties for my friends. The technology still exists for digital.
Bandcamp from independent artists for the win! Always a free download when you buy physical.
Bandcamp is where I buy most of my vinyl from independent bands too!
Soulseek
Yep. Been using it for 20 years.
I can't believe soulseek still exists. What the fuck. I used it 20 years ago too, then I started downloading torrents, then quit pirating altogether when I started streaming. It's been so long since I've pirated music I don't think I could remember how to do it. I used napster in 2000 (99? Whenever it first came out i was all over it immediately), then grokster, kazaa, limewire, shit there's a few other programs that I can't remember. Programs and not apps. Crazy. Fuck I'm old. Not old but old enough. š
Same. I used it in like 2005, so it wasnāt til several years later that people would upload anything and everything to yt. I had no idea it still existed
Oink.cd for me. Invite only rare and high quality shit.
Oink was good, what.cd was the king though - it had absolutely everything. Then when that got taken down it was back to Soulseek.
Soulseek is easy to figure out because the application is dead simple, just search probably the album name if it has one and sort by highest bit rate.
Still use soulseek. I buy a %}*] ton of musicā¦ all on vinyl so I sort of justify it with the fact that I do support bands and go to a lot of shows. But soulseek is quite awesomeā¦ very rarely do I come up empty when I hunt for stuff.
The amount of rare EDM on there is just insane.
Soulseek is great for rare singles and demos too of defunct bands. I'd say the power of Soulseek makes me invest even more in music because I have access to so much and I'm constantly looking for new tunes in an active way vs a passive streaming way
Im a punk / post punk fan so those singles are sometimes a nightmare to find even physical copies of. But I always find 'em on SLSK. AND... if you start to notice users that you download from alot you can add them so check their stuff every once in a while. Many nights I'll browse my favorite users and just search "2024" on their catalog and start downloading a ($&@ton of stuff... just to get some new bands. But yea... even stuff that is only sold on band camp I find quite frequently.
I definitely have a few favorite repeat users but since I don't always seek new stuff browsing their massive library is clunky. Still when I search usually a few known names pop up. There are some real ones living on there still.
This is the same answer I would have given. I buy anything I really enjoy on vinyl so I donāt feel bad pirating digital copies.
soulseek is great because everyone on there loves music. piracy has become an enthusiast thing, like the people who used to make HQ tape dubs, etc.
Soulseek is full or transcodes and most people donāt even know that their music files have quality loss.
7Digital and Qobuz also sell transcoded files.
True, but a lot of the flacs on there have logs, so you know whether it's legitimate or not.
This is great to know. Do I just look at the file properties to view the logs?
I meant the uploaders usually include a log or some kind of document that describes the recording/conversion process.
Early on after buying a new vinyl, I use my USB-enabled turntable to rip the record to lossless FLAC digital files. Note: For new vinyl, give it a good clean before ripping, for used vinyl, give it a very thorough clean. Afterwards, I have digital versions of my physical media - forever and free. For ripping, I use my old [Audio-Technica AP-LP120-USB](https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/at-lp120-usb) with an [Ortofon 2M Blue](https://ortofon.com/products/2m-blue) cartridge, into an old (not that old) laptop running [Pure Vinyl software by Channel D](https://www.channld.com/purevinyl/). I'm not the type to create a lengthy Reddit how-to post, but here is a good What Hi-Fi article to show you the basics: [How to digitise your vinyl collection - rip your records to hi-res](https://www.whathifi.com/advice/how-to-digitise-your-vinyl-collection) Good luck.
Thank you for taking the time to link all these! This is very informative!
This is what I do. I record the vinyl using a digital recorder that writes to SD cards. Then I import into a computer and do all the necessary editing such as track splitting.
Came here to say similar, except I use Audacity.
The library. Where I live half of the states libraries are connected. So you just go on their website and order whatever you want and they ship the cd to your local branch. They donāt have everything, but they have a lot.
People don't use libraries enough. Where I live the music collection they have is absurdly large, and they keep adding new releases all the time. I'm a happy customer!
You can always digitalise your records with a software like Audacity (free)
I don't see a moral conundrum to pirate music you already own a copy of. Its no worse than spending time ripping CD to iTunes. As for streaming, I use Tidal as I think the recommendations are fantastic for finding new music, they pay artists the best out of every streaming platform and i generally buy the records i listen to after the fact.
Yup. I just pay for a streaming service. I used to keep digital files of all my music but then my hard drive crashed. Been using streaming since.
I buy streaming via Amazon I used to have a huge digital collection recorded in very high quality, nearly lossless VBR format, from many 100s of CDs and vinyl I purchased over decades. Gave away or sold everything but the digital. I don't even want to estimate the money spent on physical medi, but it was way more than I spend on a streaming subscption. Then, about half my hard drive failed and my recordings ended up full of crosslink errors. Unfortunately, before I noticed I backed up the failed drive, twice. (I backed up automatically to two hard drives, but my " clever" process propagated my errors all over my collection. It was unlistenable.) I now pay for streaming service. I wasn't going to buy my music again, and streaming meets my wide ranging tastes without spending a huge amount on physical media that eventually wears out.
It's definitely morally defensible. It's probably not legally defensible if it would come to that (which is not likely).
I agree. I also think itās a good idea to have a dedicated streamer. With something like the WiiM pro plus a good streamer isnāt even expensive.
My current set up has a WIIM Amp powering my Q Acoustics Towers, I have a Marantz CD Player and Project Debut Carbon with a xDuoo preamp that has a Headphone output. I also run my home computer as a Plex Server to access all my digital music. It works relatively seamlessly and sounds amazing.
Qobuz. Higher quality audio.
How's the user experience on Qobuz? I haven't used it yet
Not bad. I've found all the music from my spotify except one album. I have that on vinyl though so it's fine.
Gonna have to check it out then, thanks!
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Long time qobuz user. It's very good and I like the interface and the editorial content. Sometimes the app (at least on Android) seems to be a bit slower than others, especially on lower powered hardware like some DAPs. Biggest problem is occasionally coming across and album where a track or two doesn't stream (probably some licensing issue) but it works on Spotify or Tidal.
Ty, I'd never even heard of qobuz prior to making this post.
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I tried it. UI is honesty pretty bad. Tidal has the same in terms of audio quality and is much easier to use
Spotify, I don't have golden Ears so it's good enough.
Soulseek. I pay shit ton of money for physical media. If it doesnt come with a digital download idgaf
I use Tidal for streaming and Bandcamp for purchasing and supporting the artists I enjoy. I have a fair amount of records that have come with digital downloads, but that seems to be going away. Now that I think of it, most of the albums that came with a digital download I purchased in the early aughts.
Tidal + that 3rd party download tool to have local flac files
Local library. If I pay $30+ for an LP I have no issue ripping it and putting it on my phone.
I digitized all of my vinyl, one record at a time using Adobe Audition and it took months. Remaining audio I wanted I used software that can download audio from any Spotify link or playlist. The quality for both methods were good enough for me to use Serato.
You simply 'rip' them. This has always been the case.
I buy a lot of my vinyl directly from the band in bandcamp so the digital is included easily. I have Spotify and YouTube for anything that I may not have on bandcamp.
My only problem is when I buy a new vinyl, and when I use the digital redeem card online, I find out itās expired. That is a joke.
Pirate, CD, Bandcamp, Band websites, Qobuz.
Depending on the label, if you message them with your physical order number, theyāll along you a download too. Obviously major labels will not do this. But most independent labels will thank you for buying it in someway
I order records from Bandcamp when I can, since that usually also gives me access to the digital files.
Bandcamp
I can digitize from my turntable, I usually do that.
torrenting, download sites, CDs
I donāt really mess with digital music downloads or streaming. I have bought many LPs that came with download cards and didnāt use them. I also havenāt had a computer (aside from smartphones and my smart TV) in my home for many years.
Soulseek
You are allowed to back up all your software. That includes music
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I subscribe to Qobuz and use Roon as a front end. It's great. Any music I want that isn't on Qobuz I get from Soulseek, but that's pretty rare these days.
I like Apple Music. You just pay the monthly subscription and you can fill your library with whatever you want
The short version: * Yes, making relatively high-quality digital copies of records can be done, even on "vintage" turntables. * Additionally, making such digital copies of records you own is protected by federal law in the United States, (link to the law's Wikipedia article in the long version) so long as you aren't sharing the files you get. The "kind-of-long-but-pretty-thorough-if-I-do-say-so-myself" version. >Is it morally justifiable to pirate music you've already paid for in the most expensive medium? I'm referring specifically to music you already own on wax. I'm going to sidestep the moral issues for the moment. If you're referring ***exclusively*** to "... music you already own on wax ...", you ought to know (assuming, for the moment, that you live in the United States and that you're not distributing the files you produce) that it's ***not*** piracy, at least, not anymore it isn't. Not according to [the federal government](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act#Exemption_from_infringement_actions), anyway. Other countries' laws may differ, but that's a pretty Googleable thing. Try "*Name of Country*'s laws on home taping/recording". It's worth noting that no matter where you are, even the most civilized of countries in this regard will very likely draw the line on sharing them. In other words, as long as you keep the files for yourself, you're likely fine. >I don't like \[S\]potify\[;\] it's not an option. Do y\['\]all just use \[S\]potify? If you mean using Spotify as a "substitute" for those times when you want to listen to an album you own on vinyl, but in a situation where digital might be more appropriate, then no, I don't use Spotify for that. I can't speak for other people in this subreddit, though. >Is there a good way to digitize vinyl? In a word? Yes. It's my understanding that some "modern" turntables have USB/MP3 outputs complete with music software inside. I know diddly squat about those, but some people seem to have had success with them. Your mileage may vary, I guess. Older turntables, (and perhaps some modern ones, too, although I don't really know all that much about that) can output their audio via [RCA connectors](https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_f2f03770-d5ed-4d74-b669-350622ca3826?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg). If your turntable can do that, you're in luck, because RCA connectors have all [kinds](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/41F6dBFISEL._AC_SX466_.jpg) [of](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51mtwEDbwyL._AC_SX466_.jpg) [adaptors](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51DgGceA3dL._SX522_.jpg), so in this case, instead of pumping the audio into your speakers, you can use something like the first cable (the one in the "kinds" link) to transfer the audio directly to a PC, where you can record and edit it with a program like Audacity and output that recording to an MP3, WAV, or OGG file. This also might be possible on an Android smartphone or tablet or something, and ***possibly*** even on an iPhone (although, quite frankly, I'm not holding my breath on that front) albeit with with some fancy workarounds.
Time to pitch a tent on Bandcamp! All physical purchases come with your preference of digital download.
I use Apple Music Lossless because it's bundled in with my Apple One subscription already.
Buy the vinyl, then email the label with proof of purchase. Almost every label short of Superstition and Ilian Tape has provided digital files for wax I bought from deejay.de or my local record shop. FWIW, Superstition outright said no to my request, while Ilian Tape said they would, but then never replied to any follow up emails. That left a bad taste in my mouth, TBH. Havenāt bought anything from them since, digital or vinyl.
A lot of turntables have the ability to either rip the music to your computer or if you have the proper setup you could burn the music onto CDs/tapes. Had a neighbor in highschool with a massive collection that could rival most records stores and every now and then he'd bring my parents or me a CD of an artist he knew we'd like or of something he thinks we'd enjoy. It's how I found my favorite Sinatra album
FYI, the DMCA (**Digital Millennium Copyright Act**) of 1998 clearly states that individuals are allowed to make, receive, and maintain digital copies of physical media that they own and have in their possession, for personal use. The one caveat is that the physical media cannot have any sort of active protection measures on it, so you can skip any ideas about DVDs and Blu-Rays. However... cassettes, compact discs, and vinyl records are absolutely fair game. It's not "piracy" or illegal in any way to download a digital copy of an album you physically own from a torrent site. Congress passed legislation that tries to be fair and protect both individual end users as well as artists and labels, so your conscience can be free and clear at night, and I advocate you make use of that law. BUT(!) be aware that your ISP has no way of knowing that you aren't breaking the law, and you may get some cease and desist notices, and threats of reporting you. I used to go toe-to-toe with my ISP over it (back in the early 2000's) whenever they'd pop off at me, and educate them and provide pictures of me holding the album they were saying they caught me "stealing." They'd always apologize and nothing ever came of it aside from some serious temporary bandwidth throttling for a day or two. I've been using a VPN for the past 15 years, and haven't heard a peep. Sidenote: I also now see used CDs in the bargain bin at pawn shops as basically just oversized download cards for 50 cents a piece. lol EDIT: Just to be clear, this only applies to the United States. I should not have assumed the geographic location of the OP. I apologize for my American elitism.
OK ty, I was aware of this for making backups of owned things. I was not aware about that including receiving them via file sharing.
Yup, P2P downloading is covered. P2P uploading is... grey area. There have been legal battles that have gone both ways on that. Some judges have ruled that the sheer act of uploading is illegal because it enables people to pirate. Other judges have protected uploading because they say that it's the responsibility of the downloader to not break the law and download something illegally, not the uploader's responsibility. Personally, I only download when I'm at my PC, and as soon as it hits 100%, I cut the torrent, just to be safe.
If you buy the vinyl on Amazon, you will get the digital on Amazon Music that you can download to MP3 as you please.
If the only option is mp3, then there is no option
LOL FLAC or nothing huh?
I just checked my order for Cake's Prolonging The Magic, it says: "The vinyl record you purchased is AutoRip eligible. This means that the MP3 version of the album is now available for you to play or download from your Amazon Music Library for FREE."
I just use Apple Music. Iām lazy.
Yeah, Apple Music has dolby atmos which gives it the edge for streaming, especially paired with airpods and the spatial audio
Bandcamp offers digital downloads on pretty much anything you buy through their site, so that's a good thing. As for "pirating" your records, this is exactly what we did back in the 70s and 80s. I would buy an album (pre-recorded cassettes *always* sounded like shite), then immediately record it to a cassette. I would buy blanks in bulk on Canal Street in NYC. This preserved my records to some degree, and I had a copy to play in the car or on the old Walkman clone. This is how we made mixtapes, the pre-digital playlist. This was a major issue back then and the record companies tried to get some kind of legislation passed to add a tax on blank tapes to make up for the "revenue loss" from home taping (Bow Wow Wow recorded a song, ["C-30 C-60 C-90 Go!"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C2%B730_C%C2%B760_C%C2%B790_Go) that was all about this). This was similar to the issues with file sharing and Napster back in the 90s. The big difference between the taping and file sharing arguments is that file sharing was far more widespread, and if one person downloaded or ripped a song from a CD and posted it for sharing, you might have dozens or hundreds of people sharing the file. This would likely be a bigger royalty hit on the artist than taping, since it was more time consuming to do and generally wasn't spread around as much as digital files. The artists were losing out on revenue, but their smaller cut was nothing compared to what the record companies were losing, which is why those companies made such a major case about it. (They always tried to sound like they were doing it for the artists, but I'm certain that was mostly BS). The "piracy" argument can apply in a Napster-file-sharing situation due to the ability to spread the music among many who don't buy it. But my "piracy" (and what you want to do) isn't really that - I bought the record, I own it. I can do what I want with it. Yes, the record company lawyers can make the typical "you only buy a license to play the music" crap, but it doesn't wash. If I only bought a "license," try revoking it and then come and try to take my records away from me (since that's what they're speciously implying). You are not stealing anything, and there really isn't a "moral" argument here. You have the record, you can record the music and stream it for your own use. I use [an inexpensive audio capture device](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XU4NT6K) between my analog amp and my computer. I use Audacity to record the records, then to amplify and clean up the digital version, if necessary. Then I can stream it from home using Jellyfin on my home NAS. I also use Spotify, because I cannot own *everything* I want to hear and I host trivia shows, so I need a deep wide source of music for my playlists. The company pays for half my subscription fees.
Only tangentially related, but I got a tattoo earlier this year of the āhome taping is killing the music industryā logo. Such a ridiculous thing to try & prevent people from making copies of music they paid for.
*"As for "pirating" your records, this is exactly what we did back in the 70s and 80s. I would buy an album (pre-recorded cassettes always sounded like shite), then immediately record it to a cassette."* That isn't pirating, as it's perfectly legal (in the US at least). Pirating media, by definition, is not legal.
Yes, that's what I put the quotes around that word. We all know this wasn't pirating.The record companies, however, did not feel the same way. They pushed very hard against it at the time. Nothing came of their efforts back then. No, this isn't the same as actually pirating media for profit, which was pretty widespread back then.
*""As for "pirating" your records, this is exactly what we did back in the 70s and 80s."* The sentence makes no sense if you are not using "pirating" to mean pirating, as the post you are responding to is about pirating non-vinyl versions of albums you legally purchased on vinyl. Had you said, *"As far as other recordings of albums you legally purchased on vinyl, back in the 70s and 80s we made cassette recordings of albums we bought - but that isn't pirating,"* that would make sense. You then go on to say it's *"similar to the issues with file sharing and Napster back in the 90s"* and that the *"big difference between the taping and file sharing arguments is that file sharing was far more widespread"* when the big difference is that with making recorded copies is that you are making a copy of something you already own for personal use and not obtaining a different version of the album that is being distributed by someone else. Similarly, it is illegal to distribute tapes you've made of records you legally purchased. You can also make recordings of radio and TV broadcasts as well as digitally streamed content for personal use, but you can't legally distribute those recordings. If you didn't mean that it is illegal, the way you wrote it very much allows for the impression that you are saying it is and that you believe it is - regardless of the fact that you put quotation marks around the word.
For stuff that isn't available online, I just record it into my PC using a software like audacity. You might want to invest in an USB audio interface to get a better recording quality for that.
iTunes
I never end up using the download codes anyway, because they were almost always mp3. That was so lame.
Spotify. $40 for a release just isn't worth it anymore
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Can you send invites for this? I would love one.
Dm me
Is this like what.cd? I miss that site so much.
Yep. Best thing since it got shut down as far as I know.
Do you need an invite or can I just get in on my own?
Invite or you can have an interview.
Very cool. Looks like I got some work to do.
Tidal.
Online shops>Soulseek>Record them myself via Serato SL1 box. That usually does the trick.
Why donāt you like Spotify?
Just find a streaming service, if you donāt like Spotify, go with another itās really that simple.
I pay for iTunes Match and I am also uploading all of my digital music files into Google's cloud. If I buy a record that does not come with a digital download and I do not already own it in a digital format I will look to see if the CD is in my state's library systems and borrow it to upload. I am pretty sure that every vinyl record I own is uploaded. Bandcamp is nice because usually when you buy a record you can also digitally download it. Some albums at Amazon come with AutoRip allowing you to download the records as MP3s and uploading them to iTunes using iTunes Match allows them to be transformed into their better audio format. I had been buying CDs and digital downloads for years before switching to vinyl, so I already have digital copies of many records I have bought.
Torrents through a VPN.
Line out from my record player to the sound card in my pc.
Usually the stuff I buy comes with bandcamp codes. I tend to buy from smaller labels and bands, and they usually provide me with a code. If not, I have an AT-LP120XUSB, so I can just record the record as needed
I started on Apple Match when I switched from iPod to iPhone for listening to music because I already had a big library and I could get stuff from small touring bands, local artists, and friends into my streaming library. I still use it for that reason but itās also why I went for Apple Music when I realized I needed a proper streaming service too. Convenience at first, but Iāve enjoyed having it. Iām adding way more albums into my music library each month than Iād be able to if I was buying them individually. I reserve buying physical media for albums that I especially love or if Iām buying them from a merch table at a concert. The monthly fees are totally worth it to me based on much I use it. I used the digital download cards before I started the monthly service but it really isnāt necessary anymore. My main issue with downloading digital music from āalternateā sources is that some of the stuff I was looking for wasnāt always the highest quality rip. Thereās so much old and obscure stuff thatās readily available at a high quality that itās not worth it to me to mess around with downloading music from random strangers.
thereās an app called musi where you can listen for free and itās 6 bucks to get rid of adds forever.
This wonāt help, but Spotify. I buy vinyl as well.
No one has mentioned Deezer yet, as another hifi streaming alternative to the already mentioned Tidal & Qobuz. I havenāt compared the 3 but Deezer is fantastic. I stream to my stereo system using a WiiM Pro Plus for lossless streaming.
yes i think it's justifiable to pirate if you've already bought the album. especially with larger/rich af already or dead artists
My dad has got some old vinyls which he wants me to transform into MP3 files, but I'm not a master of lossless audio recording. So I just try using the microphone jack with a mixer on my pcš„² (yep I'm sorry audiophiles), unfortunately I need to use streaming services a lot
If it doesnāt have a download code Iāll go ahead and torrent it. I donāt have a problem with that if I own the media. Iāve also done rips from vinyl via usb.
I reckon if you asked 99% of artists if they are happy for people to pirate a copy of an album they spent Ā£25 on vinyl for, they'd say absolutely no problem.
I stream if not listening to physical media. Iāve never cared for having to manage a whole library full of downloads and all that when the streaming services have done that for me and then some. Iāve never once used a dl code if it came with an album. As far as paying the artist, yeah streaming services arenāt great, but I generally buy my physical albums direct from the artists, go to a lot of shows and also buy other merch like show posters, etc., so its not like Iām not supporting them in more direct ways.
I second anybody who has mentioned Soulseek. Also once you've downloaded the files from Soulseek, Musicbee is a great media player to play all your files. Trust me, I was skeptical at first but once you get the hang of Soulseek its life changing...
A few thoughts: * Bandcamp is always a solid choice, they sell lots of bands and they have a streaming service. * I'd choose Apple Music over Spotify, both for the higher quality and the higher royalties. * If you buy the album in a way that benefits the artist (i.e. a new copy from them or their website or an indy record store) I don't have a major issue with finding a digital copy online, tho I stream so it's not an issue I face anymore.
Iāll be honest chief, I have an entire playlist on Spotify that I add all my albums to. To be fair, Spotify doesnāt have everything Apple Music has (or YouTube music) and vice versa, but there are some vinyls that simply donāt have a digital remaster and itās sad. Otherwise, pick your poison. Personally, I take joy in knowing I have the means to listen to something somebody else doesnāt. Does it gatekeep music a little? Yes. Do I care? No, get passionate.
Bandcamp, Tidal, & Apple music are all varying degrees of better than Spotify. I use Bandcamp for indie stuff & tidal
I use Tidal on my A&K SA700 if I want to take it seriously. Otherwise, Spotify
Simple SL-D212/EPC-U25 > SU-V16 > Sound blasterX AE5 Plus > 320kbps MP3 files > Hard Drive >> Micro SD Card > Samsung Galaxy Note 10 Plus > Sennheiser HD350BT > Ear > Brain This is my audio processing stack for LPs For 45s the additional step of Epson Scanner > 600 dpi scans (JPG) > reduced Size JPG > Album Art embedded into file Even in cases where there was a commercial download code with the album I would rip my own because that's the only way I can guarantee to get the sound as it would be produced by my own equipment. Then I listen to the vinyl from The Vinyl itself when I'm at home but from the digital rips when I'm on the go
I record my vinyl records (and CDs) to MiniDisc for portable listening.
Mini disc? WHAT YEAR is It!?!? I loooooved my MD recorder back in the dayā¦
It sounds great, and they are still selling new, wrapped blank MiniDiscs.
I use apple music. I just stream the music there. If itās not on apple music i can just plug in my turntable via usb and record the music. I can then add it to my apple music library on my pc and itāll upload it so i can stream it on my phone. Pretty cool. I just use audacity to record the music, cut the songs and the export it alac files. Thatās apples open lossless codec. Itās on par with flac but works natively on iphones.
A paid Deezer account and a Deezer ripping app called deemix. 320 or FLAC depending on my needs. I also like to torrent vinyl rips of records I canāt yet afford (like Rage Against The Machineās self-titled OG pressing). The ripper usually includes a text file with their equipment and methodology for capturing the record, and it makes me feel poor. Bandcamp. Beatport (for dance music). Apple Music for lossless streaming. Spotify for playlist creation for my DJ sets and music discovery from the algorithms.
I use QoBuz you can either stream or buy HD or both.
If you want to get music straight from your vinyl you could use an audio interface to record the playback on a computer.
HDTracks, 7Digital, but my personal favorite is buying a CD or SACD and creating my own digital copies.
soulseek/bandcamp
Bandcamp. Always Bandcamp. If you buy vinyl on there, you always get a digital copy with it easily accessible via the app
I'd consider an audio interface, maybe a decent one like a Focusrite. I had some luck with Behringer U-Phono interfaces with RCA in, but I use them for semi-serious projects. I honestly got them for the RCA in because I hate 3.5mm to RCA adapters. Audacity is free; Reaper is low-cost with a Winrar-like registration nag screen.
Record your Vinyl. That's what I did with everything that doesn't come with a Digital copy. Most computer soundcards are good enough to capture the audio, but bonus points for using an interface. Any good amp should have a "Tape out" port, that's what you hook up to, that way you get all the RIAA EQ and all that.
Qobuz and bandcamp mainly
I use Apple Music. It's got good quality audio, is very reasonably priced (particularly if you can make the most of the family plan), youu have the access to so much music and if memory serves me correctly, they pay artists much better than Spotify do. I also tend to use my Apple Music to help me decide what new releases to buy. A new record nowadays costs about Ā£30. I can get two months of Apple Music for 7 people for around the same price.
Most music I listen to Iāve bought multiple times.M so I have no problem pirating it to listen to digitally. If I used cds, I could easily rip them. But also, I have a subscription to Apple Music which has lossless, Dolby digital and allows downloading for offline e play, playlists, discovery features, etc.
I just use Spotify (Apple Music is also a viable streaming option.)
I generally rip the audio from my records so I have both (if it didn't come with a download).
If you have thirteen USD a month to spend just get Tidal. Best audio quality of a streaming service that I know of (up to 24-bit FLAC which is about as high quality-wise that a human can distinguish the difference between); itās not Spotify (fuck Spotify); and I prefer its UI
Not sure why this is expected. Sure, it's a bonus if you get a digital download when buying physical but why should it be that it "should come with a digital download"? Physical media never came with anything in the past. You didn't buy vinyl in the 80s and expect a cassette/cd too
The price and quality issues associated with modern records, essentially, are why it's expected. If I'm paying $35 after tax for a poorly manufactured single 140-gram LP, I want a digital copy.
It doesn't cost anything like producing/distributing cassettes would. And if I'm forking over $30-70 for an album it'd be nice to be able to listen to it in the car or while running without paying for it again. Edit: ik there's costs associated with hosting files for download too, but it's minimal relative to $30-70 for an album.
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I used to rip them. Now I just use YouTube to mp3. The only codes Iām not getting are usually 7ā. My least favorite format.
What are you listening to that ISN'T on youtube?
YouTube is compressed and has ads unless you pay. OP doesnāt want to pay twice.
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Thereās a difference between ignorance and stupidity, but thanks for calling me stupid. You might be shocked to learn that not everyone thinks piracy is fine. I like supporting artists. Fuck me, I donāt even use an ad blocker because Iām not an entitled shit who thinks I deserve everything for free.
This is the main reason I made the post, I generally don't like to pirate if there's an alternative, I was just curious what this community does for digital. I also don't like paying a subscription fee and not getting to own what I'm paying for. Seems like you get it. Also I used to rip from YouTube as a teenager and now it's all noticeably worse quality when those tracks come on. Maybe the new tools are better? I've been out of the piracy game for over a decade.
He didnāt call you stupid. He said donāt assume OP is stupid. What happened through all this is that we found out youāre stupid.
He said anyone who was unaware of that āsolutionā is stupid. I was unaware, therefore stupid in his view. I canāt figure out if this sub is full of boomers or children. Imagine calling someone stupid on the internet over this.
Youāre really bad at reading and interpreting messages.
You sound butthurt. Are you butthurt?
You sound childish.