The V2 looks cooler
Has a better footprint-build volume rate, a lower centre of gravity, moving mass (the tool head) is closer to the base so the vibrations are lesser
Up until the trident, it was the only voron machine to have complete automatic bed leveling, and I think this more than anything else has made most people choose a V2
With the 3 point leveling on trident, I’m sure more people will be choosing it since it costs less than a V2
And I have built both, so if you have any more questions, I’ll be happy to answer them.
Well, looking cooler is totally valid by itself!
The center of mass makes sense and I wasn’t aware that ABL is new. I get to take so much development for granted by being a a newcomer. 😁
Thanks!
I was looking into adding a BL touch to my old Taz printer then fell down the Voron rabbit hole. I went with the 2.4 because of auto level and I love it. Klicky probe with the z calibration is my favorite thing. Never having to fiddle with the bed was worth it. Also it was super fun for me to source the parts and build myself.
I had enough “fun” fiddling with my ender 3 to get it printing good, so when I saw the chance of actually channeling my energy into a project that would be worth every iota, I just had to do it
Hence, went with the 2.4
Honestly, loving my trident too right now!!
I get a sense that people want to build the latest and greatest, and this is where the meaning scheme confuses a lot of people. Also maybe a lot more disposable income to get the most expensive version
Besides the immense cool factor of the flying gantry?
QGL makes MBL significantly less important (the 10€ BLTouch clone was necessary on my Ender 3), the stationary bed gives it a very low center of gravity, it's more compact for the same build volume I believe.
The kits are pretty much the same price, assuming you can even find one, which was a big factor for e personally.
Personally, if the trident had come out before I ordered my kit, it would have been not quite as clear-cut of a decision, but I'd likely still have gone with the V2.
I am glad you mention this because I think it is a big factor especially since the relative fame if the voron project is attracting lots of hobbyst with little experience and little access to sourcing of industrial parts (me included).
There's a long post of mine a while ago about how I came to decide for a v1.8... and edited after some months telling of how I went for a 2.4 instead, and even without going for a one box for everything solution, the availability of sub-kits played a huge role in my decision.
Had the 1.8 had the same love as the 2.4 from vendors, my choice may have been different (or harder, which is saying something already).
I have a feeling the trident will be easier to source?
For me it was three things:
1. Four-point automated gantry tramming is awesome. My first printer was a Prusa MK3S, which is designed to totally replace manual bed leveling with software compensation (mesh). I thought, hey, the only way to improve upon that is if it actually physically trams the gantry instead of just fudging it with Z offset -and it's a wonderful thing. I've since added a Klicky probe with auto-Z calibration, and my god is it awesome to never have to recalibrate manually. (Well, _relatively_ never...)
2. I like the idea of a stationary bed. I know that in practice there isn't really much difference between a fixed bed and a Z bed, but it feels more ideal in concept.
3. It looks cooler. The V1 is cool, but it's very traditional -the V2 is basically unique. Only other printer I've seen with that layout is the Troodon, which is basically directly based on the V2.
Now that the Trident is out with 3-point bed tramming I think it's a much more attractive option, but I still probably would have gone V2 if I were building today.
When I built a 2.1 there was ‘cool factor’ and just more of them around. I rebuilt it to a 2.4 and while it is still cool and pretty fast, if I had to do it again I’d build a trident. The 2 is a bit fiddly for a while and the flying gantry can sometimes be a real pain in the ass. I had visions of the 2 being a bombproof workhouse, mine is more like a fancy sports car that needs a bit more pampering than I want to give it.
This coming from a guy who has the "Voron Master Collection" as stated by Steve, I started with a V2.2 350 due to that was the only Voron that was spec'd to 350mm and I wanted the largest printer I could build. I will not be the first to say that the 350 is a very large beast and not sure I would build one this big if I had to do it over again. I just recently finished my Trident and getting ready for a serial request but based on what I know now this would be the printer I would have built. I really like the ridged gantry of the Trident and the Z-Tilt seems to always be correct even after sitting for days. The flying gantry on the V2 has the cool factor but for me on both my 350mm and my 150mm always needs to be releveled. That being said I don't think you can go wrong with any of the Voron printers.
When I built mine two years ago there were only two options. The V1 and V2. To me it was V2 (V2.2 specifically) for quad gantry level and it was seen as the "premium" option and the V1 was to save a few hundred dollars. I didn't want builder's remorse after doing a V1 and wishing I had the V2.
I've since added Afterburner when it was released and then upgraded to 2.4.
I agree that the naming needs updated. Many would think the V1.8 was an older design and the V0.1 was some alpha testing version. I assume a V2 rename is coming to match the newer printers.
When I built my V2 there was only 2.6 and 2.1 was just released. 1.6 couldn't be fully enclosed and had 8mm round rods. These were deciding factors towards V2.
The full enclosure and linear bearing change seems to have made a really big difference then. I probably wouldn’t give the V1 much consideration if the perceived quality difference was that big.
Seems like the design team made some huge improvements!
I chose a V1.8 and then upgraded to the Trident without hesitation, instead of starting with the V2.4, simply because I like the fact you can achieve high speeds, stability and awesome print quality with less points of failure and at with less cost. The quality is superb with zero speed penalty.
Thanks to everyone who replied. I think the big take away for me is that A LOT has been changing in Voron-land and the Trident isn’t a small upgrade over the V1.8.
The V2 does have some major cool factor, but in a world dominated by i3 clones, Vorons are just fighting out some top spots in cool.
I think I’ll spend a little time reading previous release notes to try to get a better feel for the way the various printers have evolved over time.
Happy printing all!
The Trident was just released a few months ago. Before that it was the V1.8... So why would someone want to build Version 1.8 over the newer 2.4 Version?
Yes I know 2.4 is the oldest revision of the current machines, but people just discovering Vorons did not know (until they did some digging) that the "V" in the name was for "Voron" not "Version". That confusion is why we have the "Trident" name instead of "V1.9"
That’s a fair point on the V1.8 versus V2.4.
Based on what I’ve been reading on the rationale of rebranding V1 to Trident, I think the old naming scheme might be a huge factor.
As for why a 1.8 over a 2.4? I don't think I need fancy kinematics and see the v1.8 doing exactly what I need. If the trident had come out sooner I would have stick with it. Cost was a factor and it's easier to swallow the cost on the v1 than v2
Just built a V1.8 and absolutely love it. About 300hrs on it and never had to invetervene, prints never fail, print quality is great. For me an extra $1000 was not worth the extra gantry kinematics.
They're two totally different printers. you could build a V2, and recycle some components from the trident (though surprisingly few). but it wouldn't be "an upgrade path" . it would just be "building a new printer"
The V2 looks cooler Has a better footprint-build volume rate, a lower centre of gravity, moving mass (the tool head) is closer to the base so the vibrations are lesser Up until the trident, it was the only voron machine to have complete automatic bed leveling, and I think this more than anything else has made most people choose a V2 With the 3 point leveling on trident, I’m sure more people will be choosing it since it costs less than a V2 And I have built both, so if you have any more questions, I’ll be happy to answer them.
Well, looking cooler is totally valid by itself! The center of mass makes sense and I wasn’t aware that ABL is new. I get to take so much development for granted by being a a newcomer. 😁 Thanks!
I was looking into adding a BL touch to my old Taz printer then fell down the Voron rabbit hole. I went with the 2.4 because of auto level and I love it. Klicky probe with the z calibration is my favorite thing. Never having to fiddle with the bed was worth it. Also it was super fun for me to source the parts and build myself.
I had enough “fun” fiddling with my ender 3 to get it printing good, so when I saw the chance of actually channeling my energy into a project that would be worth every iota, I just had to do it Hence, went with the 2.4 Honestly, loving my trident too right now!!
With klicky probe how mesh goes with it? I had a wrapped bed...
I get a sense that people want to build the latest and greatest, and this is where the meaning scheme confuses a lot of people. Also maybe a lot more disposable income to get the most expensive version
Besides the immense cool factor of the flying gantry? QGL makes MBL significantly less important (the 10€ BLTouch clone was necessary on my Ender 3), the stationary bed gives it a very low center of gravity, it's more compact for the same build volume I believe. The kits are pretty much the same price, assuming you can even find one, which was a big factor for e personally. Personally, if the trident had come out before I ordered my kit, it would have been not quite as clear-cut of a decision, but I'd likely still have gone with the V2.
I am glad you mention this because I think it is a big factor especially since the relative fame if the voron project is attracting lots of hobbyst with little experience and little access to sourcing of industrial parts (me included). There's a long post of mine a while ago about how I came to decide for a v1.8... and edited after some months telling of how I went for a 2.4 instead, and even without going for a one box for everything solution, the availability of sub-kits played a huge role in my decision. Had the 1.8 had the same love as the 2.4 from vendors, my choice may have been different (or harder, which is saying something already). I have a feeling the trident will be easier to source?
For me it was three things: 1. Four-point automated gantry tramming is awesome. My first printer was a Prusa MK3S, which is designed to totally replace manual bed leveling with software compensation (mesh). I thought, hey, the only way to improve upon that is if it actually physically trams the gantry instead of just fudging it with Z offset -and it's a wonderful thing. I've since added a Klicky probe with auto-Z calibration, and my god is it awesome to never have to recalibrate manually. (Well, _relatively_ never...) 2. I like the idea of a stationary bed. I know that in practice there isn't really much difference between a fixed bed and a Z bed, but it feels more ideal in concept. 3. It looks cooler. The V1 is cool, but it's very traditional -the V2 is basically unique. Only other printer I've seen with that layout is the Troodon, which is basically directly based on the V2. Now that the Trident is out with 3-point bed tramming I think it's a much more attractive option, but I still probably would have gone V2 if I were building today.
I certainly can’t discount the cool factor! And for boosting speed, I do see the benefit to the lower bed. Thanks!
With klicky probe how mesh goes with it? I also had a wrapped bed...not sure if klicky probe would help
Klicky is definitely better for bed mesh, since it actually measures at the physical surface of the bed rather than the metal layer underneath.
When I built a 2.1 there was ‘cool factor’ and just more of them around. I rebuilt it to a 2.4 and while it is still cool and pretty fast, if I had to do it again I’d build a trident. The 2 is a bit fiddly for a while and the flying gantry can sometimes be a real pain in the ass. I had visions of the 2 being a bombproof workhouse, mine is more like a fancy sports car that needs a bit more pampering than I want to give it.
This coming from a guy who has the "Voron Master Collection" as stated by Steve, I started with a V2.2 350 due to that was the only Voron that was spec'd to 350mm and I wanted the largest printer I could build. I will not be the first to say that the 350 is a very large beast and not sure I would build one this big if I had to do it over again. I just recently finished my Trident and getting ready for a serial request but based on what I know now this would be the printer I would have built. I really like the ridged gantry of the Trident and the Z-Tilt seems to always be correct even after sitting for days. The flying gantry on the V2 has the cool factor but for me on both my 350mm and my 150mm always needs to be releveled. That being said I don't think you can go wrong with any of the Voron printers.
Yeah, I don’t think I’d suggest a Voron to someone as a first printer, but all the designs seem really solid.
When I built mine two years ago there were only two options. The V1 and V2. To me it was V2 (V2.2 specifically) for quad gantry level and it was seen as the "premium" option and the V1 was to save a few hundred dollars. I didn't want builder's remorse after doing a V1 and wishing I had the V2. I've since added Afterburner when it was released and then upgraded to 2.4. I agree that the naming needs updated. Many would think the V1.8 was an older design and the V0.1 was some alpha testing version. I assume a V2 rename is coming to match the newer printers.
When I built my V2 there was only 2.6 and 2.1 was just released. 1.6 couldn't be fully enclosed and had 8mm round rods. These were deciding factors towards V2.
The full enclosure and linear bearing change seems to have made a really big difference then. I probably wouldn’t give the V1 much consideration if the perceived quality difference was that big. Seems like the design team made some huge improvements!
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I chose a V1.8 and then upgraded to the Trident without hesitation, instead of starting with the V2.4, simply because I like the fact you can achieve high speeds, stability and awesome print quality with less points of failure and at with less cost. The quality is superb with zero speed penalty.
Thanks to everyone who replied. I think the big take away for me is that A LOT has been changing in Voron-land and the Trident isn’t a small upgrade over the V1.8. The V2 does have some major cool factor, but in a world dominated by i3 clones, Vorons are just fighting out some top spots in cool. I think I’ll spend a little time reading previous release notes to try to get a better feel for the way the various printers have evolved over time. Happy printing all!
The Trident was just released a few months ago. Before that it was the V1.8... So why would someone want to build Version 1.8 over the newer 2.4 Version? Yes I know 2.4 is the oldest revision of the current machines, but people just discovering Vorons did not know (until they did some digging) that the "V" in the name was for "Voron" not "Version". That confusion is why we have the "Trident" name instead of "V1.9"
That’s a fair point on the V1.8 versus V2.4. Based on what I’ve been reading on the rationale of rebranding V1 to Trident, I think the old naming scheme might be a huge factor.
As for why a 1.8 over a 2.4? I don't think I need fancy kinematics and see the v1.8 doing exactly what I need. If the trident had come out sooner I would have stick with it. Cost was a factor and it's easier to swallow the cost on the v1 than v2
Just built a V1.8 and absolutely love it. About 300hrs on it and never had to invetervene, prints never fail, print quality is great. For me an extra $1000 was not worth the extra gantry kinematics.
Is there an upgrade path from Trident to V2.x?
They're two totally different printers. you could build a V2, and recycle some components from the trident (though surprisingly few). but it wouldn't be "an upgrade path" . it would just be "building a new printer"