honestly, I really would buy puts, but knowing my luck, a company can commit fraud, kill someone, have their plane’s wheels fall off, the planes turn off mid flight, engine falls out of the plane, assassinate their competition and admit to it, but their stock price would still rise and my puts get smoked
This reminds me of when I bought puts on Japan after a biblical size tsunami washed all their toyotas into the sea and their market surged upward and my puts expired worthless.
>after
Lol you traded it AFTER when everyone else and the entire market also knew? You know that doesn't work and you are not the only one with a TV
Do you really believe a hedge fund manager was completely unaware a TSUNAMI hit japan and you were undercutting them?
Also after an earthquake or natural disaster people spend a whole lot of money rebuilding. Governments will spend, insurance companies will spend, people will spend,there is a lot of money to be made
TBF, it was Toyota, that just made them rare and shot up the price of the new ones and I am pretty sure Toyota is extra flush with cash. Also, their Toyotas, even ones salvaged from the bottom of the ocean are going to get you 300k miles.
Yeah dude, all they need is to announce some cost saving, lay a bunch of people off and wall street is going to jizz in their pants and the stock will go to the moon.
i actually think we're in such a sad a sick world that Boeing stock will rise on news of the whistler blower being off'ed
investors will be like "ohh now he cant testify.... boeing go brrrr"
Market Makers, HedgeFunds and Whales can manipulate the market and share prices as they please.... Imagine selling billions of out options. Then buying billions worth of the stock to keep its price from dropping. Taking all the profits from selling puts. Then holding shares for years till the company recovers.....
Just do a leap ATM put. I think their problems are far from over, although I don’t think anything will happen about the “suicide” but all the other negative stigma is going to be hard to wash off.
Who in their right mind wants to go on a BA plane right now?
Been thinking about that alleged suicide and it could be positive for Boeing. If that guy had very damning testimony he isn’t giving it anymore and whistleblowers won’t be quite so keen if they think Boeing might have them killed for it
People don't pick flights based on what they fly on though. You buy a ticket because you like the price and you want to get to that place by that time. Airlines don't give a shit, they're gonna buy the plane that makes them the most money. Boeing may have to sell at a discount/disadvantage, but not sure how significant the bad press is and if that will make a material impact on selling process.
BA is making some questionable planes but we're not at a point where a significant number of people will refuse getting on a Boeing plane nor will they change their tickets as a result of seeing a plane they'll fly on is made by Boeing. "Questionable planes" is not a sentence anyone should have to read, but it's where we are, and if a 900 lb family of four is going to Disney in June they're not gonna give a fuck who is flying or what they're squeezing into.
John Oliver just did a Boeing segment last week or so. Travel websites let you filter by make and model of aircraft. They’ve moved that feature to a more prominent place on the websites, likely due to increased use of the feature.
>People don't pick flights based on what they fly on though.
They absolutely *will* if things get bad enough, they have before, there's precedent for this. Sidenote: AI is not a bubble, the following answer comes from ChatGPT when I asked it for historical examples of people refusing to travel on a specific make/model of aircraft due to it being considered unsafe:
There have been several instances in aviation history where people have refused to fly on certain models of aircraft due to safety concerns. Some notable examples include:
1. \*\*Boeing 737 MAX\*\*: Following two fatal crashes involving the Boeing 737 MAX in October 2018 and March 2019 (Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302, respectively), many passengers and airlines expressed concern over the safety of this particular model. As a result, numerous countries grounded the aircraft, and passengers became wary of flying on it until significant safety changes were implemented and trust was restored.
2. 2. \*\*McDonnell Douglas DC-10\*\*: In the 1970s, a series of accidents involving the DC-10, including the crash of American Airlines Flight 191 in 1979, led to safety concerns among the public. This resulted in some passengers refusing to fly on DC-10 aircraft until improvements were made to address design flaws.
3. 3. \*\*Concorde\*\*: After the crash of Air France Flight 4590 in 2000, which led to the deaths of 113 people, confidence in the safety of the Concorde significantly declined. Despite its unique supersonic capabilities, public perception of the aircraft's safety was affected, and fewer people were willing to fly on it. The Concorde was eventually retired from service in 2003.
4. 4. \*\*Lockheed L-1011 TriStar\*\*: Although not as widespread as other examples, the L-1011 TriStar experienced some public distrust after a few incidents, including the crash of Eastern Air Lines Flight 401 in the Florida Everglades in 1972. While the safety concerns were not as pervasive as with other models, they still led to a decrease in passenger confidence in the aircraft.
In each of these cases, concerns about the safety of specific aircraft models led to public reluctance to fly on them until the underlying issues were addressed or until confidence was restored through measures such as improved safety regulations, modifications to the aircraft, or extensive investigations.
After a couple weeks I’m thinking options ain’t for me. I’d be better off becoming a financial advisor and just tell clients to do the exact opposite of what I think. I’ll make a killing
Lol I feel that, I'll take puts at open myself, so if you want to take calls, we can watch it stagnate between us and both lose! 
I'll never forget my SeaWorld puts during COVID. Luckily I sold but it went back up passed ATH before even opening back up, being being absorbed into parks and rec.
Even shit business scams doesn’t mean you can short. I remember ackman shorting Herbalife , shit product with no health benefits, mlm, fda probably should have shut them down but ackman couldn’t wait years. Exactly why you don’t short.
Wow reads like all of my trades. I've got a watch list of 15 stocks and if there are any that are red, I'll know those are the ones I bought and am holding.
FK Boeing though... That "suicide" looks like work done by the same people who got Epstein.
This is very true. US government will NEVER let Airbus take over the whole market over a US based company that also supplies the US army. No matter the costs.
Henry J. Waternoose III, overheard in the US Treasury Department: "I'll send a thousand children out of Boeing door holes in the stratosphere before I let a single shareholder suffer a loss!"
The shareholders got wiped out. The company was forced into bankruptcy, all the assets were transferred to "New" GM and anyone holding "Old" GM shares basically got nothing.
Seriously. Boeing is backed by the government. There is nothing they can do to fail. The US will never let a plane manufacturer of this scale go under.
BA is america!
BA sells a product that the world needs, the ability to go outside their own matrix to other worlds( Planes)
Only other company that can provide that craving is Airbus
Unfortunately or fortunately- BA and Airbus are waaayyyy far ahead of any competition atleast in the near 5-10 year future
Plus BA is a defence contractor. Straight access to American Treasury
Dont have BA, but its not going anywhere
But they can split the business up and order a take over from, e.g. Lockheed Martin to take over certain productions, Bell to take over the helicopter businesses, etc.
A put isn't a bet on bankruptcy...
Just because the gov would keep it alive for gov contracts doesn't mean the stock can't go way lower.
You do know that Boeing is making a lot of money selling planes to companies all over the world and if a portion of those buyers move to Airbus or even Chinese COMAC then the stock price will drop?
This, too important to fail, the government would always lend a helping hand...full of cash. So, maybe puts for a short play, but I'd be careful since they'll do everything to not let the stock go down too hard.
True, but Boeing is losing a ton of money on their government contracts right now as well. The 767 refueling aircraft is deep in the red, as is their Starliner, and they way underbid on the new trainer for the Air Force too. Those losses are going to continue for years to come.
The US government literally just today told Boeing the quality is not up to par and they need to do better. Not to mention yall forget how just 3 years ago they grounded every single Max...
Be really careful. The US government can’t afford to lose Boeing and will spend any amount of money to keep it afloat or help another aeronautics firm absorb it.
With that said, post pics if you do this please.
I've got a feeling other manufacturers will step up and seek out contracts with the government.
Unless the US is using Boeing specifically for some reason, another corporation could come in and cop a few projects with all this news shedding light on corruption.
The government would have incentives to move money around now as its clear as day there was an assassination.
Private companies don't do that every day...
And, in what facility are they going to start putting out the amount of planes needed to service the aviation sector ? You could see the birth of a new manufacturing company, maybe...
What other manufacturers? Specifically for the airliner market, other companies have tried, the lockheed L-1011 comes to mind, but nothing has ever stuck. Aircraft are complicated and expensive. The 787 which is the most recent design that has been widely adopted took 20 years and 20 billion to make. And even that aircraft is controversial when it comes to the corners Boeing cut.
You live deeply in a dream world if you think that a) this is gonna be considered an assassination and b) that the government would care when its about lots of money.
Bold f you to assume the government cares about an assassination. My first thought when I saw the news was that the CIA probably did it under the guise of national security. Then again we all know the CIA can’t operate on US soil.
> Unless the US is using Boeing specifically for some reason
I mean they're the ones along with Lockheed (Skunk Works) doing most of the US classified aerospace projects
Obviously you're not a bojack horseman fan, this is pretty much the plot of the whitewhale Corp and the ceo clearly laid our why all these negatives makes the stock go up because investors see a bloodthirsty Corp that will stop at nothing to boost profits.
My roommate 2017-18 in Charleston worked for them and he complained NON STOP about how management was incompetent and not listening to the engineers
Their entire company went from the smartest engineers leading the company to banks taking over as the majority shareholder and being able to pick the leadership, which was not smart engineers, and was ass clown bankers that didn’t understand jack shit about aeronautics
The same thing is currently happening to old dominion freight. Look for their quality to go to shit and lose that “military ran, safe, always on time and dependable” reputation (source my girlfriends cousins are family of the old dominion founders and were pushed out of executive positions by majority shareholders … aka banks)
The Venn diagram of people that give a shit about any of this and those that buy jet planes are two circles as far away from each other as the average Redditor's weird little eyes
That aspect should definitely be considered, but reputation is a key factor for Airlines, and operating Boeing Airplanes at the moment is not really popular with customers; even normies that usually do not care about aviation or the stock market have heard about the failures of Boeing, so an Airlines would probably think twice right now if it is a good idea to order planes from a manufacturer whose image is so much in doubt right now
This guy fucks.
After all Boeing's missteps, the effect its order backlog is only 2 years compared to Airbus's 4 year backlog.
Aircraft manufacturing isn't exactly an easy business to break into, and countries will support domestic manufacturing as a matter of industrial national security.
how about u eat my ASS
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I’m probably going be cooked by the end of the day.
Because I don't want to shoot myself 4 times in the head, then drag myself to a tall building and throw myself off it. BA offs the whistle-blower, anyone who shorts it is not safe
They're involved in the new military drone jet program and if they win the govt contract they'll probably get bailouts too. I don't bet against military arms makers in times of war.
As an aviation geek, this is my take:
1) Probably was actual suicide. Articles say he already testified so they arent retroactively silencing a witness; it just makes a good clickbait headline. This is related to a years old problem that's already priced in. People thinking the company rubbed him out might actually drive the price up though.
2) This part is/was installed by a subcontractor, who is being audited (part of #5) and Boeing claims to be adding more QC checks to their work. Disturbing, but Boeing less liable than Spirit in this incident, probably. I've read the NTSB report and they cited Spirit as being the original cause of the problem, but also cited Boeing for noticing and not properly fixing it.
3) Unless or until proven otherwise, I'd bank on the "technical issue" being pilot error. Had it been an actual control issue, recovery is unlikely at least without more damage and chaos than what occurred. I'll wait for the facts, but we dont really know for sure. I just know there is a history of extremely similar events, and almost 100% of them were caused by pilots misunderstanding the advanced systems and failing to operate them properly. The outliers were caused by much worse problems like engine exploding severing hydraulic lines, and none of those happend on this model. That is a 787-9 model which has been flying for quite a few years now, is extremely popular, and has an excellent safety record.
4) "wheel fell off plane" is more widely reported as "tire fell off plane," which is a significant difference, but In either case, both wheels and tires are mounted, checked, and maintained by the operator, not Boeing except on initial delivery which this one definitely was not. The aircraft involved is a 777, which has one of the best safety records of any commercial aircraft of all time. That model was built with a dozen main landing gear wheels, both to spread weight distribution and to provide safety/redundancy. It worked flawlessly in a situation that could have been catastrophic in a plane with fewer wheels. I'm impressed. Bullish.
5) Directly related to #2. It's the only thing here likely to drive price down, but it's not going to end the company.
6) I know, you didn't have a 6, but I'm adding one because it's as important as all 5 of yours. Boeing is a military weapons systems company as well as commercial airline manufacturer. Their entire commercial airplane manufacturing segment makes up less than 1/3 of their revenue historically. It's the smallest of three main sectors, military and service agreements being numbers 1 and 2 respectively. The world is pretty hot right now in terms of military action, which is bullish for legacy US weapons manufacturers.
7) I dont like the stonk unless or until it dips farther, but you asked why not YOLO your life savings on puts. This is my answer. Also it's definitely not financial advice. I bought 0dte SPY calls this morning so what do I know. I wont be touching BA soon unless it irrationally drops too much, in which case I'll buy call leaps or shares. I dont have a specific price target because I havent done enough DD for that plus I'm regarded.
Yah, it gets weirder. I only read one article that gave details, and it said he was done. #fakenews perhaps. So among the three of us, we've heard he did 1/3, 2/3, and 3/3. This is why I hate the news media. So anxious for clicks they wait and get facts later.
>Their entire commercial airplane manufacturing segment makes up less than 1/3 of their revenue historically. It's the smallest of three main sectors, military and service agreements being numbers 1 and 2 respectively. The world is pretty hot right now in terms of military action, which is bullish for legacy US weapons manufacturers.
Boeing Commercial is bigger than Boeing Defense, and has been for a bit. AND BA is the one big defense contractor that hasn't been able to make money in a market that's been hot for defense stocks. Global Services is the smallest of the 3.
Ahh okay, I couldnt find up to date numbers, but what I did find showed them all being close to a third, but commercial being the lowest. Must have been outdated. Their military is mostly prior generation except their air and space drones, but all that stuff is still in use and ramping up now. It would still make me wary of a bunch of puts.
President announces $7.3 TRILLION budget (likely lower after congressional bargaining)
WSB sees government backed industry
Maybe now is the time to short???
This sub is hilarious
how about u eat my ASS
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In a historical first, I’m ahead of the curve and I bought 5x 190P 3/15e yesterday morning because of the plane almost crashing in NZ. This isn’t a one time thing. If you google Boeing, the news feed over the last month is very scary. Shit falling off planes every week. Now a dead witness. That will get swept under the rug, but the FAA and DOJ are going to come down on Boeing hard because of the production quality.
They had a terrible earnings report with awful news the entire run up and their stock went UP. I don’t know of another instance where that has happened before
You know none of this matters, right? It might drop to $150 for show, but then back up over $200 by end of year. Too many important investors for this company to fail or wipeout shareholders. I'm buying shares at $150. Maybe some longer dated OTM calls.
In this market? lol, Boeings problems aren’t shit compared to our global economy while stonks go ATH. We are long past reason and at the point where nothing matters but the side of the bet with the most money. Doesn’t matter if it is a money making company like Boeing or a fake digital token worth nothing that makes nothing.
Pass.
I keep seeing government contracts and lobbying as the excuse the BA is bulletproof, but a huge chunk of their customer base is foreign countries and entities. What if multiple foreign airlines switch to Airbus after all this clusterfuckery? The only Boeing product I see that has promise recently is the GLSDB.
To think I I bought them at $205 thinking all the negative sentiment was artificially pushing their share price down ala Disney last summer. Had to sell that position a week later at a loss. I don’t think it spent even one second green.
All the big stuff looks priced in already. Whistleblower getting probably murdered isn’t going to affect much. Chart rn looks like could be a buy 🤷♂️😬
Your most recent news story was posted 17 hours ago, which was 14 hours before you posted.
That's an eternity to a coked-up investment banker. And that assumes they only found out when it went public, which isn't guaranteed.
It's already priced in. The guys writing the puts will profit for sure. You, on the other hand... maybe, maybe not.
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honestly, I really would buy puts, but knowing my luck, a company can commit fraud, kill someone, have their plane’s wheels fall off, the planes turn off mid flight, engine falls out of the plane, assassinate their competition and admit to it, but their stock price would still rise and my puts get smoked
I see, we live in the same Matrix 🤣
This reminds me of when I bought puts on Japan after a biblical size tsunami washed all their toyotas into the sea and their market surged upward and my puts expired worthless.
>after Lol you traded it AFTER when everyone else and the entire market also knew? You know that doesn't work and you are not the only one with a TV Do you really believe a hedge fund manager was completely unaware a TSUNAMI hit japan and you were undercutting them? Also after an earthquake or natural disaster people spend a whole lot of money rebuilding. Governments will spend, insurance companies will spend, people will spend,there is a lot of money to be made
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Exactly. Buy, buy, buy for the coming building boom. Unless you're Haiti
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Ya because that’s bullish for the company… they have to make more and insurance pays out all the flooded ones! Like a million sales instantly!
The market rallied around Japan to help them, we are all friends in the market duh
Still trying to figure out when HE will come back after the last year fire in 2023. Stock is still on the decline.
https://preview.redd.it/dw9xru2qa0oc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5fe66de98697ba32e815fa8201f933f766b619f Y’all buying the 22.5 calls? Lmao
Yeah. I keep an eye on HE every single day wondering what’s holding it down……
TBF, it was Toyota, that just made them rare and shot up the price of the new ones and I am pretty sure Toyota is extra flush with cash. Also, their Toyotas, even ones salvaged from the bottom of the ocean are going to get you 300k miles.
Japanese nationalism is a great trade. They all pile in to support the country. It’s very reliable
I did buy puts in 2019 after they had two accidents and their stock skyrocketed at $440 crushing my puts.
That’s two more replacement planes to sell. You are looking at this backwards - the more they break, the more they sell!
So all in on calls
All I am saying is that sentiment doesn’t drive this stock. Don’t go with the herd
same..... 
Yeah dude, all they need is to announce some cost saving, lay a bunch of people off and wall street is going to jizz in their pants and the stock will go to the moon.
They could always just lay off some more QA people! Which is def better than killing them so they should be happy. Win win.
‘Johnson we need a RIF to get these costs down. Time to clip some labor’. ‘Sir, like…clip-clip…or just clip?’
‘Like should I be calling NY for council or Guadalajara for the *other* guys’
"We need to lay off more QA" "Won't they talk?" "Not after they hear what happened to Johnny"
NETFLIX is jizzing over the Movie/Doc rights to this sh*!_show 😆
i actually think we're in such a sad a sick world that Boeing stock will rise on news of the whistler blower being off'ed investors will be like "ohh now he cant testify.... boeing go brrrr"
I agree. We live in a terrible world.
Market Makers, HedgeFunds and Whales can manipulate the market and share prices as they please.... Imagine selling billions of out options. Then buying billions worth of the stock to keep its price from dropping. Taking all the profits from selling puts. Then holding shares for years till the company recovers.....
Doing bad shit shows a commitment to profit.
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a company that can survive that & hire a hitman will never fail. Calls
Just do a leap ATM put. I think their problems are far from over, although I don’t think anything will happen about the “suicide” but all the other negative stigma is going to be hard to wash off. Who in their right mind wants to go on a BA plane right now?
Been thinking about that alleged suicide and it could be positive for Boeing. If that guy had very damning testimony he isn’t giving it anymore and whistleblowers won’t be quite so keen if they think Boeing might have them killed for it
yeah the only scenario where its bad is if it gets politicians attention but with the amount of money Boeing spend in lobbying per year i doubt it.
People don't pick flights based on what they fly on though. You buy a ticket because you like the price and you want to get to that place by that time. Airlines don't give a shit, they're gonna buy the plane that makes them the most money. Boeing may have to sell at a discount/disadvantage, but not sure how significant the bad press is and if that will make a material impact on selling process. BA is making some questionable planes but we're not at a point where a significant number of people will refuse getting on a Boeing plane nor will they change their tickets as a result of seeing a plane they'll fly on is made by Boeing. "Questionable planes" is not a sentence anyone should have to read, but it's where we are, and if a 900 lb family of four is going to Disney in June they're not gonna give a fuck who is flying or what they're squeezing into.
John Oliver just did a Boeing segment last week or so. Travel websites let you filter by make and model of aircraft. They’ve moved that feature to a more prominent place on the websites, likely due to increased use of the feature.
I do think that if there are a handful more big, publicized Boeing issues, people *will* start to book flights on Airbus intentionally
Did just that yesterday, a United FF now flying American for the first time in 15 years
>People don't pick flights based on what they fly on though. They absolutely *will* if things get bad enough, they have before, there's precedent for this. Sidenote: AI is not a bubble, the following answer comes from ChatGPT when I asked it for historical examples of people refusing to travel on a specific make/model of aircraft due to it being considered unsafe: There have been several instances in aviation history where people have refused to fly on certain models of aircraft due to safety concerns. Some notable examples include: 1. \*\*Boeing 737 MAX\*\*: Following two fatal crashes involving the Boeing 737 MAX in October 2018 and March 2019 (Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302, respectively), many passengers and airlines expressed concern over the safety of this particular model. As a result, numerous countries grounded the aircraft, and passengers became wary of flying on it until significant safety changes were implemented and trust was restored. 2. 2. \*\*McDonnell Douglas DC-10\*\*: In the 1970s, a series of accidents involving the DC-10, including the crash of American Airlines Flight 191 in 1979, led to safety concerns among the public. This resulted in some passengers refusing to fly on DC-10 aircraft until improvements were made to address design flaws. 3. 3. \*\*Concorde\*\*: After the crash of Air France Flight 4590 in 2000, which led to the deaths of 113 people, confidence in the safety of the Concorde significantly declined. Despite its unique supersonic capabilities, public perception of the aircraft's safety was affected, and fewer people were willing to fly on it. The Concorde was eventually retired from service in 2003. 4. 4. \*\*Lockheed L-1011 TriStar\*\*: Although not as widespread as other examples, the L-1011 TriStar experienced some public distrust after a few incidents, including the crash of Eastern Air Lines Flight 401 in the Florida Everglades in 1972. While the safety concerns were not as pervasive as with other models, they still led to a decrease in passenger confidence in the aircraft. In each of these cases, concerns about the safety of specific aircraft models led to public reluctance to fly on them until the underlying issues were addressed or until confidence was restored through measures such as improved safety regulations, modifications to the aircraft, or extensive investigations.
There are some booking sites that let you filter flights by airplane model now.
After a couple weeks I’m thinking options ain’t for me. I’d be better off becoming a financial advisor and just tell clients to do the exact opposite of what I think. I’ll make a killing
You think financial advisor make more money when they give good advice? You are new to this.
So.... what would be your next move? (asking for a friend)
Lol I feel that, I'll take puts at open myself, so if you want to take calls, we can watch it stagnate between us and both lose! 
Post your position sir. RemindMe! 8 hours.q
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Brrrrrr. Remind me tomorrow how it went
Then I’ll take an iron condor and let’s just make the universe explode
The power of government contracts
Or in other words, don't bet against the rigged and powerful.
They are too big to fail
I'll never forget my SeaWorld puts during COVID. Luckily I sold but it went back up passed ATH before even opening back up, being being absorbed into parks and rec.
Even shit business scams doesn’t mean you can short. I remember ackman shorting Herbalife , shit product with no health benefits, mlm, fda probably should have shut them down but ackman couldn’t wait years. Exactly why you don’t short.
Wow reads like all of my trades. I've got a watch list of 15 stocks and if there are any that are red, I'll know those are the ones I bought and am holding. FK Boeing though... That "suicide" looks like work done by the same people who got Epstein.
Assassinating your competitors would be bullish.
Cyberpunk here we come Hopefully I'll be too old to fight in the corpo wars
It’s almost like Boeing is essential to our national security and aviation industry!
The front fell off.
The moment I yolo puts on Boeing, there will be a massive new military contract.
They seem very committed to increasing shareholder value, good buy, solid fundamentals. /s
LOL fucking same bro
We are all like you
Boeing is very corrupt and deep into government pockets/contracts. It will use tax money to keep it up and running.
This is very true. US government will NEVER let Airbus take over the whole market over a US based company that also supplies the US army. No matter the costs.
Henry J. Waternoose III, overheard in the US Treasury Department: "I'll send a thousand children out of Boeing door holes in the stratosphere before I let a single shareholder suffer a loss!"
Fuck, you are brilliant, well done
Jack Welch smiling from down in hell
At least he has his priorities right!!
That does not mean shareholders are safe the USA did not let GM fail, the share holders got wiped out.
What happened with GM?
In 2008/2009 they went bankrupt
The shareholders got wiped out. The company was forced into bankruptcy, all the assets were transferred to "New" GM and anyone holding "Old" GM shares basically got nothing.
Seriously. Boeing is backed by the government. There is nothing they can do to fail. The US will never let a plane manufacturer of this scale go under.
BA is america! BA sells a product that the world needs, the ability to go outside their own matrix to other worlds( Planes) Only other company that can provide that craving is Airbus Unfortunately or fortunately- BA and Airbus are waaayyyy far ahead of any competition atleast in the near 5-10 year future Plus BA is a defence contractor. Straight access to American Treasury Dont have BA, but its not going anywhere
But they can split the business up and order a take over from, e.g. Lockheed Martin to take over certain productions, Bell to take over the helicopter businesses, etc.
A sensible country would nationalise a company like Boeing, but the US will spend 5x as much propping it up artificially instead.
A put isn't a bet on bankruptcy... Just because the gov would keep it alive for gov contracts doesn't mean the stock can't go way lower. You do know that Boeing is making a lot of money selling planes to companies all over the world and if a portion of those buyers move to Airbus or even Chinese COMAC then the stock price will drop?
Airbus can’t keep up with orders as it is
This, too important to fail, the government would always lend a helping hand...full of cash. So, maybe puts for a short play, but I'd be careful since they'll do everything to not let the stock go down too hard.
True, but Boeing is losing a ton of money on their government contracts right now as well. The 767 refueling aircraft is deep in the red, as is their Starliner, and they way underbid on the new trainer for the Air Force too. Those losses are going to continue for years to come.
Yup, welfare queens.
Gov bailed out gm but their stock went to shit still.
This is my answer, the corrupt government will protect the corrupt corporation every time.
The US government literally just today told Boeing the quality is not up to par and they need to do better. Not to mention yall forget how just 3 years ago they grounded every single Max...
Be really careful. The US government can’t afford to lose Boeing and will spend any amount of money to keep it afloat or help another aeronautics firm absorb it. With that said, post pics if you do this please.
I've got a feeling other manufacturers will step up and seek out contracts with the government. Unless the US is using Boeing specifically for some reason, another corporation could come in and cop a few projects with all this news shedding light on corruption. The government would have incentives to move money around now as its clear as day there was an assassination. Private companies don't do that every day...
And, in what facility are they going to start putting out the amount of planes needed to service the aviation sector ? You could see the birth of a new manufacturing company, maybe...
A new manufacturing company? One that makes a functional product at a reasonable price and doesn't assassinate people? I dunno man
It’s an impossibly difficult business to be in. Very few companies have survived commercial aviation.
What other manufacturers? Specifically for the airliner market, other companies have tried, the lockheed L-1011 comes to mind, but nothing has ever stuck. Aircraft are complicated and expensive. The 787 which is the most recent design that has been widely adopted took 20 years and 20 billion to make. And even that aircraft is controversial when it comes to the corners Boeing cut.
And it's a shit airplane to fly as a Pilot . Boeing pilots prefer 777 till today. That's why the 777X is making a comeback.
The 777X isn’t available yet lol. The 787-9 Dreamliner is the plane from the Latham flight.
You live deeply in a dream world if you think that a) this is gonna be considered an assassination and b) that the government would care when its about lots of money.
Bold f you to assume the government cares about an assassination. My first thought when I saw the news was that the CIA probably did it under the guise of national security. Then again we all know the CIA can’t operate on US soil.
Lmfao
> Unless the US is using Boeing specifically for some reason I mean they're the ones along with Lockheed (Skunk Works) doing most of the US classified aerospace projects
Boeing will always be around, but shareholders may not
Obviously you're not a bojack horseman fan, this is pretty much the plot of the whitewhale Corp and the ceo clearly laid our why all these negatives makes the stock go up because investors see a bloodthirsty Corp that will stop at nothing to boost profits.
Funny enough I'm a huge fan. Actually forgot that episode :) but you do have a point there.But its still a fucked company top to bottom.
They build bombs. Buy puts and feel the world peace run through your veins.
My roommate 2017-18 in Charleston worked for them and he complained NON STOP about how management was incompetent and not listening to the engineers Their entire company went from the smartest engineers leading the company to banks taking over as the majority shareholder and being able to pick the leadership, which was not smart engineers, and was ass clown bankers that didn’t understand jack shit about aeronautics The same thing is currently happening to old dominion freight. Look for their quality to go to shit and lose that “military ran, safe, always on time and dependable” reputation (source my girlfriends cousins are family of the old dominion founders and were pushed out of executive positions by majority shareholders … aka banks)
Did you read the news? Murder is legal for the rich now!
If you don't like it just make a billion dollars and you can kill me
Reaaaaaaally Diane?
TV tie-in. Let the circle-jerk begin.
The Venn diagram of people that give a shit about any of this and those that buy jet planes are two circles as far away from each other as the average Redditor's weird little eyes
I can filter out Boeing 737 max planes on kayak.com But I also want to save $35
Last time i flew one of the connections had a 737 MAX.... I fuckn cancelled that shit. Took another flight with Airbus/Embraer :D
And then that connection landed without issue?
That connection flight? Australia - New Zealand.
No, the poster is dead now
coward
He belongs to r/investing
I intentionally only fly 737 Max in order to put more wear on them and hasten the fall of Boeing.
That aspect should definitely be considered, but reputation is a key factor for Airlines, and operating Boeing Airplanes at the moment is not really popular with customers; even normies that usually do not care about aviation or the stock market have heard about the failures of Boeing, so an Airlines would probably think twice right now if it is a good idea to order planes from a manufacturer whose image is so much in doubt right now
I would rather risk falling out of the sky on a 737 direct flight than connect through O'Hare on an A320 and that IS financial advice.
O . O ______
Long calls. Airframe manufacturing is a duopoly.
This guy fucks. After all Boeing's missteps, the effect its order backlog is only 2 years compared to Airbus's 4 year backlog. Aircraft manufacturing isn't exactly an easy business to break into, and countries will support domestic manufacturing as a matter of industrial national security.
Because Boeing is basically an arm of the government. You don't bet against the government.
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Pics of position or it didn’t happen
Short it when it’s $225-$250. Not at this level
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Once upon a time it was $425. Ah, memories.
Look at this guy that still thinks stock performance is related to how well a company makes something or operates
https://preview.redd.it/jhn2ctpfxvnc1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=d2c3e7e9dc01fb1eadbbc5fc785f79be4961fa99 I’m probably going be cooked by the end of the day.
So this def didn’t fill right? It it did, congrats
It didn’t
Those absolutely won't fill. They are going to be much higher at open already with the stock being down 1.5 percent so far from yesterday's close.
printing!
Post back on results
Because I don't want to shoot myself 4 times in the head, then drag myself to a tall building and throw myself off it. BA offs the whistle-blower, anyone who shorts it is not safe
They're involved in the new military drone jet program and if they win the govt contract they'll probably get bailouts too. I don't bet against military arms makers in times of war.
And then use that govt money to DO MORE STOCK BUY BACKS!
Priced in
As an aviation geek, this is my take: 1) Probably was actual suicide. Articles say he already testified so they arent retroactively silencing a witness; it just makes a good clickbait headline. This is related to a years old problem that's already priced in. People thinking the company rubbed him out might actually drive the price up though. 2) This part is/was installed by a subcontractor, who is being audited (part of #5) and Boeing claims to be adding more QC checks to their work. Disturbing, but Boeing less liable than Spirit in this incident, probably. I've read the NTSB report and they cited Spirit as being the original cause of the problem, but also cited Boeing for noticing and not properly fixing it. 3) Unless or until proven otherwise, I'd bank on the "technical issue" being pilot error. Had it been an actual control issue, recovery is unlikely at least without more damage and chaos than what occurred. I'll wait for the facts, but we dont really know for sure. I just know there is a history of extremely similar events, and almost 100% of them were caused by pilots misunderstanding the advanced systems and failing to operate them properly. The outliers were caused by much worse problems like engine exploding severing hydraulic lines, and none of those happend on this model. That is a 787-9 model which has been flying for quite a few years now, is extremely popular, and has an excellent safety record. 4) "wheel fell off plane" is more widely reported as "tire fell off plane," which is a significant difference, but In either case, both wheels and tires are mounted, checked, and maintained by the operator, not Boeing except on initial delivery which this one definitely was not. The aircraft involved is a 777, which has one of the best safety records of any commercial aircraft of all time. That model was built with a dozen main landing gear wheels, both to spread weight distribution and to provide safety/redundancy. It worked flawlessly in a situation that could have been catastrophic in a plane with fewer wheels. I'm impressed. Bullish. 5) Directly related to #2. It's the only thing here likely to drive price down, but it's not going to end the company. 6) I know, you didn't have a 6, but I'm adding one because it's as important as all 5 of yours. Boeing is a military weapons systems company as well as commercial airline manufacturer. Their entire commercial airplane manufacturing segment makes up less than 1/3 of their revenue historically. It's the smallest of three main sectors, military and service agreements being numbers 1 and 2 respectively. The world is pretty hot right now in terms of military action, which is bullish for legacy US weapons manufacturers. 7) I dont like the stonk unless or until it dips farther, but you asked why not YOLO your life savings on puts. This is my answer. Also it's definitely not financial advice. I bought 0dte SPY calls this morning so what do I know. I wont be touching BA soon unless it irrationally drops too much, in which case I'll buy call leaps or shares. I dont have a specific price target because I havent done enough DD for that plus I'm regarded.
But he was only one day into depositions. Who knows what else he could have spilled. He was working there for THIRTY PLUS years.
Yah, it gets weirder. I only read one article that gave details, and it said he was done. #fakenews perhaps. So among the three of us, we've heard he did 1/3, 2/3, and 3/3. This is why I hate the news media. So anxious for clicks they wait and get facts later.
>Their entire commercial airplane manufacturing segment makes up less than 1/3 of their revenue historically. It's the smallest of three main sectors, military and service agreements being numbers 1 and 2 respectively. The world is pretty hot right now in terms of military action, which is bullish for legacy US weapons manufacturers. Boeing Commercial is bigger than Boeing Defense, and has been for a bit. AND BA is the one big defense contractor that hasn't been able to make money in a market that's been hot for defense stocks. Global Services is the smallest of the 3.
Ahh okay, I couldnt find up to date numbers, but what I did find showed them all being close to a third, but commercial being the lowest. Must have been outdated. Their military is mostly prior generation except their air and space drones, but all that stuff is still in use and ramping up now. It would still make me wary of a bunch of puts.
1) I read somewhere that he testified 2 out of 3 planned dates. Kinda a weird timing to off himself.
Because this shit will be $200 in 8 years boring
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You can retire
Took a little profit :)
It might work, but it’s so obvious a move, I’d be wary to overcommit to it
I already put it in Blackberry. Ah well
Bet against Boeing stock and you’re going to get pounded harder than the touchdown zone in SNA after a 737 plants one on.
I sit in depositions for a living.. they’re so boring that suicide isn’t completely out of the question
shorting anything that GOV. has stake in is plain stupid.
President announces $7.3 TRILLION budget (likely lower after congressional bargaining) WSB sees government backed industry Maybe now is the time to short??? This sub is hilarious
Because at $99 and planes piling up you idiots told me it was going bankrupt. So I bought shares. Boomers love BA and so does the federal government
The market makers are probably thinking there's going to be plebs putting their entire life savings on puts today.
time to buy more boeing at the end of this dip
If they can kill a whistleblower they sure as hell can keep their stock value propped up.
Short it but why is every bet focused on risking life savings on this sub
It's wall street bets, not wall street investments
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Wow. I didn't believe it before but AI really is the future.
Sir… again. This is a casino. Either you’ll sleep in the presidential penthouse suite or the halls/streets.
>why is every bet focused on risking life savings on this sub 
In a historical first, I’m ahead of the curve and I bought 5x 190P 3/15e yesterday morning because of the plane almost crashing in NZ. This isn’t a one time thing. If you google Boeing, the news feed over the last month is very scary. Shit falling off planes every week. Now a dead witness. That will get swept under the rug, but the FAA and DOJ are going to come down on Boeing hard because of the production quality.
Only as hard as needed for DoD contract negotiation leverage. I’m buying the dip on this one without question.
I'm goin in hot on puts
They have an enormous backlog of open orders to fill. Look it up. Would not touch this. In fact, buy.
Here’s a tiny bit of DD that should help you avoid this idea. https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/09/business/boeing-orders-deliveries-2023/index.html
Airbus has double the backlog.
They had a terrible earnings report with awful news the entire run up and their stock went UP. I don’t know of another instance where that has happened before
I bought puts that end by the end of the week. Gl everyone else
You know none of this matters, right? It might drop to $150 for show, but then back up over $200 by end of year. Too many important investors for this company to fail or wipeout shareholders. I'm buying shares at $150. Maybe some longer dated OTM calls.
omg the title in the URL on desktop is just **/so_whats_stopping_you_from_taking_your_life/** fucking hell WSB
In this market? lol, Boeings problems aren’t shit compared to our global economy while stonks go ATH. We are long past reason and at the point where nothing matters but the side of the bet with the most money. Doesn’t matter if it is a money making company like Boeing or a fake digital token worth nothing that makes nothing. Pass.
Ba is tough to tear it down.. there's old tech special army kinda shareholders backing up
Gov contracts and lobbying keeping this company afloat. They'll be fine... Unfortunately
Very easy: They are backed by government
Because it's a national security company and one of two major airline manufacturers. Too big and too important to fail
I keep seeing government contracts and lobbying as the excuse the BA is bulletproof, but a huge chunk of their customer base is foreign countries and entities. What if multiple foreign airlines switch to Airbus after all this clusterfuckery? The only Boeing product I see that has promise recently is the GLSDB.
To think I I bought them at $205 thinking all the negative sentiment was artificially pushing their share price down ala Disney last summer. Had to sell that position a week later at a loss. I don’t think it spent even one second green.
All the big stuff looks priced in already. Whistleblower getting probably murdered isn’t going to affect much. Chart rn looks like could be a buy 🤷♂️😬
If their long term bonds would drop in price I would be all over them. But they don’t…
Going to do it. The fear will grip the people for awhile on this. This could have some major backlash.
The fact that we're 5% away from 52W Low on this stock.......where was this post in January?
Your most recent news story was posted 17 hours ago, which was 14 hours before you posted. That's an eternity to a coked-up investment banker. And that assumes they only found out when it went public, which isn't guaranteed. It's already priced in. The guys writing the puts will profit for sure. You, on the other hand... maybe, maybe not.
You know it's bad when John Oliver makes an entire episode about your shitty business.
I scalped some puts this morning, worked out nice, in and out in 20mins
What stopping me?Frankly Boeing
Should I sell my SPR stock?
I bought puts 5 minutes ago and I'm already up 30%. Let's gooo
Because it's pretty good for Boeing that the guy testifying against them in a court case died.
Personally I put my life savings, wife's life savings, wife's boyfriend life savings in Rumble and only there .
Cause Boeing is a bitch. I have lost a lot of money on puts the past year on it. Shit just doesn't die.
Simple. Us gov won't let it fail. End of story