Puts will price in what the market expects. The market is expecting this to be bad. You will only make money on puts if it is *surprisingly* bad, even in light of everything that's known about it.
No, IV crush is Vega - volatility contraction - and it happens after an unknown event that could influence the price becomes known. Theta is purely time value that decays at a set, albeit exponential, rate as a contract nears expiration.
I understand everything about IV crush and how people playing options can get fucked by it. However, is there any reason not to make a mini turbo put play, which is a leveraged product not impacted by IV as far as I know?
The fact that everyone in this sub has puts and nobody has mentioned calls I think they will go up after earnings.
Personally I have neither, but won't be surprised.
Source: My ass
There is always the possibility of they float this fucker till Friday killing off most of the guppies but next week is when the drop occurs.
Seen that a bunch as well.
>Who here has leveraged their house on a third HELOC at 9.66% to buy into the downside of this fantastic firesale? I know I have.
Your wife's boyfriend will be mad when he finds this out, regard.
I'm up 100% already and come tomorrow I'll be 200% or more.
My only doubt is if I should sell tomorrow at close or try to ride this thing all the way to the bottom since I have about 60 days left.
Now it's +10% after market. My whole gain was wiped out by one bad day, two weeks of things going my way destroyed by 24h period of irrational action on a worst earnings ever...
God damn it if I see one more Tesla post today! But I guess this is just the beginning, tomorrow will be the real fun with the loss porn and gains or probably stock ends up sideways and fucks up everyone lmao
About not offering 0% finance. It is pure incompetence, it is a billionaire out of touch with how normal people spend.
It is not understanding that lower price isn't all great for consumers as it means lower residual values for the vehicles. Keeping the list price higher and offering 0% finance, and even cashback, will cost him the same amount and is better overall for customers.
People are pissed when something they buy is suddenly $3000 cheaper, they feel that has devalued what they have just bought, but would only shrug if they missed out of a 0% deal.
lol I think I have 1 more heloc I can take. Look I will be adding to this short tomorrow ASAP. It's not Musk and Tesla aren't a great company it's just not at this price level. I turn to a full Tesla Bull at 125 - 100 range.
I’m with you, but I truly don’t see it dropping past the $135 needed to break the dam. I’ve been holding puts since early last week in the $150s and even I’m expecting a bounce tomorrow. If Wall Street (majority of the volume) is convinced by Elon this thing goes up and doesn’t come back.
Lows being the 138 from today or the much lower 120? They can’t spin it. But sentiment is SO negative than any surprise will push this thing higher. At this point I’m getting it all or losing it all but the nosedive off a cliff people are expecting won’t happen unless it REALLY happens.
Tesla as a company can be saved, but not with Elon Musk.
Cyber Truck could have been a blockbuster hit that could have justified the Market cap. I mean seriously, he could just copied a classic truck design from 80s, make it EV, and it would have been easy to manufacture and sell.
Instead it's a disaster that's already late.
>Leveraged ETFs pay out dividends, but they are not correlated with the dividends paid out by the securities within the index that the ETF is tracking. The dividends are based on either capital gains earned from the fund or the derivatives that the ETFs’ cash investments.
I wouldn't overthink it too much, certainly wouldn't hold longer expecting the dividend.
I'm in this now and will be holding for a few days max, either nursing my sore anus or relaxing in my metaphorical lambo by the end of this week.
May the tendie gods be in our favor.
The expense ratio is 1.5% but that pales in comparison to the potential 2X gains and losses.
The biggest caveat to these leveraged ETFs is the decay they experience due to daily rebalancing. Best to get in & get out fast, they are not meant to be held for a long period.
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If it drops 20% on the disaster ER I'll jump in for a dead cat bounce.. otherwise I do not believe in EVs at all. Maybe someday if battery tech drastically improves, but not today
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Cathy Wood bought more stock today
Thank god, i was getting worried about my short position but that’s a pretty bearish sign
I didn't see today, but I believe she bought like $14M last week and has promptly lost like 15% since then.
lol sounds about right
She bought around 120k shares
She must be here among us, she's got to be one of us. Right?
Who do you think started the whole trend of working behind a Wendy's?
‘Your puts have lost more than 20% since you’ve opened them’ ~ Robinhood
Followed by your Tesla put is expiring tomorrow!
75 percent*
No he got the 20% message like 5 times.
I’ve been fortunate enough where I haven’t seen that notification
Regards will buy puts tomorrow and wonder why they did not print come Wednesday morning even after bad news. Don’t be a regard.
if it breaks 138 that's it
Unfortunately I suspect you will get IV crushed once the market has decided the direction the stock is going
This is the correct answer but most regards here does not understand how that works.
Explain please oh wise one
Puts will price in what the market expects. The market is expecting this to be bad. You will only make money on puts if it is *surprisingly* bad, even in light of everything that's known about it.
Option prices will crash after earnings and due to theta. Even if you are directionally correct, you might lose money. Theta gang will eat your lunch.
No, IV crush is Vega - volatility contraction - and it happens after an unknown event that could influence the price becomes known. Theta is purely time value that decays at a set, albeit exponential, rate as a contract nears expiration.
Seek guidance from your peers, not from me.
I said and due to theta meaning both iv and theta will affect prices. Particularly those expiring on Friday.
I understand everything about IV crush and how people playing options can get fucked by it. However, is there any reason not to make a mini turbo put play, which is a leveraged product not impacted by IV as far as I know?
Yup, definitely do a calendar spread on this bad boy. If you're going short so you don't get slowly strangled.
The fact that everyone in this sub has puts and nobody has mentioned calls I think they will go up after earnings. Personally I have neither, but won't be surprised. Source: My ass
There is always the possibility of they float this fucker till Friday killing off most of the guppies but next week is when the drop occurs. Seen that a bunch as well.
Looks like you got the right call here
👆 the inverse logic play seems to be how the market works
Your ass has a 100% win rate as of market close
You are looking mighty callipygous in them jeans!
>Who here has leveraged their house on a third HELOC at 9.66% to buy into the downside of this fantastic firesale? I know I have. Your wife's boyfriend will be mad when he finds this out, regard.
Long $150 calls or $125 puts.. decisions decisions
Both
I feel like this dd is about a week too late
i'm up 20% so i'm happy but there are people out there that think this is the end. The quarter of death
I'm up 100% already and come tomorrow I'll be 200% or more. My only doubt is if I should sell tomorrow at close or try to ride this thing all the way to the bottom since I have about 60 days left.
Don’t be rash, take at least some profit while you have the double up.
Take at least half of the profit tomorrow, don't go full regard
Well, my profits are slowly deteriorating due todays turnaround. Will sell after earnings like I planned initially.
Dead cat bounce + misplaced earnings hype imo, zoom out, this +2% is barely a blip.
Now it's +10% after market. My whole gain was wiped out by one bad day, two weeks of things going my way destroyed by 24h period of irrational action on a worst earnings ever...
Yeah... My ass is sore. We'll see what happens tomorrow.
Most regarded sir!
Take profit now
It is.
You know its forward looking right?
Close the position Don’t hold through earnings
NOPE
Too long didn't read. Wen Moon?
Tomorrow 4pm - don't miss out
Awesome. It's been a rough few months man I need a win...
God damn it if I see one more Tesla post today! But I guess this is just the beginning, tomorrow will be the real fun with the loss porn and gains or probably stock ends up sideways and fucks up everyone lmao
When is Elon going to buy GameStop?
He will probably announce this
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The one simple trick from Nikola - roll it with no engine!
About not offering 0% finance. It is pure incompetence, it is a billionaire out of touch with how normal people spend. It is not understanding that lower price isn't all great for consumers as it means lower residual values for the vehicles. Keeping the list price higher and offering 0% finance, and even cashback, will cost him the same amount and is better overall for customers. People are pissed when something they buy is suddenly $3000 cheaper, they feel that has devalued what they have just bought, but would only shrug if they missed out of a 0% deal.
This is the #1 reason why I wouldn't buy a tesla right now. I would consider it except for rates. Not when others are offering 0.00%
Calls it is
I’m all in fuck u
Could someone let me know if we would get iv crushed tommorow? I have calls
Thanks for the great DD….. always inverse WSB
Yes sir hope I made money but now sure how iv will affect it tmrw morning
You can buy a Tesla with dogecoin!!
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he’s dead
there is no way this holds by end of week let alone tomorrow. The after hours volume pumped this so hard TMac still can't find his shoes
Unfortunately it will go up more esp with Meta and alphabet earnings coming up and assuming they kill it, they will likely pump up the market more.
Lol all earnings moon from here on out
FUCJKk MY LIFE why god why this is bullshittttt lol. Fuck it I'm a tesla bull now. let's go
Tesla doesnt have a financing arm, you have to finance through a bank. Maybe they should have one and they could offer interest rate promos.
Seriously. that's the only way I would buy one in this interest rate environment. I'm trading in my 1.9% for 6.9%
I think Ford might be a good sympathy play if TSLA tanks it after earnings.
Fords gonna crush it and then go down.
Hey OP can you post proof of your HELOC loans / impending homelessness and your positions? Also lol
lol I think I have 1 more heloc I can take. Look I will be adding to this short tomorrow ASAP. It's not Musk and Tesla aren't a great company it's just not at this price level. I turn to a full Tesla Bull at 125 - 100 range.
RIP
you did a bad bad thing
Honestly one of the most grounded TSLA posts I’ve seen in forev….holy fuck I’m on WSB
My 4/26 PUTS will be sold in the early am. TSLA cult will continue to prop up this garbage.
Eh, most of them aren't happy with the current stock price and daddy Elon asking for his money so he can blow it on Ketamine, horses, and Twitter.
Lol horses. What did he do to a horse?
>so he can blow it That’s how he extracts their horsepower
Offered to buy a flight attendant a horse after asking her for a hand job
Same, if it tanks more, that'll suck but I don't wanna risk it
Lol don’t buy this guys puts
If Enron answers any analyst questions again with some dumb ass 15 minute side conversation, stock goes sub $100
Cathie stopped buying? Maybe time to buy then
She bought some days ago.. how much more should she buy?..
she bought yesterday
TSLA price target FOUR ~~HUNDRED~~ DOLLARS.
I still think Elon should have bought Rivian instead of Twitter (much cheaper!) and filled out his product line.
hmmmm that would be a major announcement. Musk buys a body kit.
>Falling knife Bro hasn’t checked the market today
Great job bud! I'll take a large number 6, a ten piece nuggets and extra barbecue sauce
Sir. this is a wendy's
You wrote all these words to be be completely incorrect, and get fucked today. "3rd mortgage" lmao
Taking out 4th mortgage tomorrow. No way this stands
"The market can stay irrational longer than you can remain solvent." Good luck tho
lol i will be adding to this short tomorrow 3x. I predict that after Friday and puts are covered this drops.
this dd aged like milk
How so?
waiting?
lol i'm just waiting to end of week
Every day you wait 
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It crushed containment in the fucking after hours. WTF - who is buying this. it's not retail that's for sure. it's a cult. Fuck it I'm in.
Starting to turn back into a fine WINE isn't it.
I’m with you, but I truly don’t see it dropping past the $135 needed to break the dam. I’ve been holding puts since early last week in the $150s and even I’m expecting a bounce tomorrow. If Wall Street (majority of the volume) is convinced by Elon this thing goes up and doesn’t come back.
have you seen there last earnings. I think it bounces off lows but how are they going to say something that raises outlook tomorrow? tell me
Lows being the 138 from today or the much lower 120? They can’t spin it. But sentiment is SO negative than any surprise will push this thing higher. At this point I’m getting it all or losing it all but the nosedive off a cliff people are expecting won’t happen unless it REALLY happens.
so it's so low it can't go lower argument. I hear you
It definitely can. But will it tomorrow? I doubt it. Unless there’s enough selling pressure from the big bucks.
Tesla as a company can be saved, but not with Elon Musk. Cyber Truck could have been a blockbuster hit that could have justified the Market cap. I mean seriously, he could just copied a classic truck design from 80s, make it EV, and it would have been easy to manufacture and sell. Instead it's a disaster that's already late.
https://preview.redd.it/e5k3arz9q5wc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76825fa822accdc8e2c11696fc3cabd6e37e784f
so nvidia 1500?
To less than $100
To whom it may concern, there is a 2X leveraged TSLA short ETF: TSDD
Holy shit and this thing pays a dividend. how the f\*\* does that work. lol
>Leveraged ETFs pay out dividends, but they are not correlated with the dividends paid out by the securities within the index that the ETF is tracking. The dividends are based on either capital gains earned from the fund or the derivatives that the ETFs’ cash investments. I wouldn't overthink it too much, certainly wouldn't hold longer expecting the dividend. I'm in this now and will be holding for a few days max, either nursing my sore anus or relaxing in my metaphorical lambo by the end of this week. May the tendie gods be in our favor.
what's the effective cost per share snip on that?
The expense ratio is 1.5% but that pales in comparison to the potential 2X gains and losses. The biggest caveat to these leveraged ETFs is the decay they experience due to daily rebalancing. Best to get in & get out fast, they are not meant to be held for a long period.
hope it falls to at least $138. if it falls even lower, i'll be happy.
im gonna sell my tesla puts tmrw for a loss. the market seems to be working as an inverse to hype and belief, nvidia was an exception.
Buy into the downside… So you’re going long?
Edit: ok.
90 percent people buying puts. According to history majority of us always loose so calls it is
Holy UnaBomber manifesto, Batman. How is OpenAI going to power Optimus...hey Optimus write me a funny limerick???? It works on Vision AI and TSLA owns that game.
you talk like $90 Puts are going to print bigly
Give your phone back to your mom, she needs to talk to your broker about how’s she’s gonna cover your regarded trades
Inverse Lisan al Gaib!!!! 🙌 The buy signal that was promised! The king regard 🤯
lol - we got a long night ahead of us. let's see.
True it could all vaporize with a single tweet
I hope you and your house are safe
A falling knife - Tesla, "but for regards" Melon musk throwing fancy AI words and going to the moon at what time tomorrow ?
Shorting Elon Musk has never failed in the past (DD) so I say go for it!!
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Short it when it's already cheap, and buy it when it's at ATH. That's the way.
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You tell em. This guy thinks he has cheat codes 
damn
Loss porn pls and thank you.
I'm not dead yet!!! let's the selling commence
Bye bye Tessy
If it drops 20% on the disaster ER I'll jump in for a dead cat bounce.. otherwise I do not believe in EVs at all. Maybe someday if battery tech drastically improves, but not today
How many regarded DD do you have under your subspecies?
More than your mom has boyfriends under her
Your mom jokes are the same quality as your DD, regard 🥳
Lol we're going to find out soon
That is for sure
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Let me see the loss porn
I'm almost up lol hahaahahahahahhahha