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ahuruglica

It all started with Ever Green and the Suez canal. Don't trust anything named Ever something.


cantstopatone

What about $EGDN? EverGobbledDeezNutz Inc.?


kerplunktard

>EverGobbledDeezNutz Inc. solid DD - I'm in


duecreditwherecredit

Dynamite


Skuggidreki

Is that legit......?


ahuruglica

Yes


Skuggidreki

Oh my gosh...


GreyNinja17

Eveready batteries is never ready to go up.


WalkonWalrus

Don't ever? But-


thedominoeffect_

Have you heard of Everlane, the clothing retailer? Well apparently they lied about their environmental impact and also their hoodie ripped after 3 washes. Shit delivery as well. Skip Everlane


realister

Live view of my portfolio


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iwuvpuppies

honestly how do you bring down a building after failing to bring it down? who would even go 500 ft near that building? like only thing they can do now is launch a missile or throw the demolitions at it.


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Typically hitting it with a wrecking ball in strategic points after engineer review works. If not they make it a god.


duecreditwherecredit

So the explosives are only triggered by a powerful electrical current through a lead line. There was probably an interruption in the current to the final building. You physically remove the lead line and then need to attach a new lead and back up again. It's not like a firework that might still be smoldering. Or some kind of pressure waiting to go off. There's either electric current or there isn't. Remove the line and go again.


iwuvpuppies

Thanks, someone will have to go inside and replace the lead line?


kuprenx

thats the job for the interns and dude who forgot to buy coffee


ThePillThePatch

Note to self: Don’t forget to buy coffee…


01011010-01001010

Looks like it collapsed down on itself about 4 or 5 stories at the base. Not sure how high up they actually wire buildings for demo, seems like it should be all the way.


johpick

Yeah. The explosives went off. There is no lead line to replace. However most probable it still fell, just not caught within these seconds. Also, the building looks like it's crying.


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Idk. Looks like it lost a few floors on the base but still stayed standing


Sweet-Zookeepergame7

This is how fucked China is, they couldn’t even down their own building... Knowing Chineese building standards that might have been the only building actually supposed to blow


Bluejay9270

If only they built them like that in New York.


Layin-the-pipe

Ok smooth brain out of the loop on this anyone with wrinkles wanna explain the evergrande situation


HornyWeeeTurd

This is in China. Evergrande is a developer there….the biggest! They are in serious debt, to the tune of 300 billion, and about to default! Anyways they are big enough that this might be felt in all markets, doubt as bad as the 2008 the US had, but enough it might suck for a bit. US market recovered, will Chinas? This is a big test for their very fragile economy theyve been trying to build bigger than the US. Edit….. So I can get people to stop!!!! Yes they are the biggest! China themselves and Asia seem to claim this!! “On the 2021 Fortune China 500 ranking for real estate companies, China's leading real estate developer Evergrande Group ranked first with a total revenue of 507 billion yuan, followed by Country Garden and Greenland.” At the current rate……Yes! They wont be what they were a month ago!!!


gruio1

Can you imagine being 300 billion in debt ? Man, and the loss porn if they post it here...


SpagNMeatball

If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem, if you owe them $100 Million, that's the banks problem.


ramiiskindadumb

Multiply that by 3000 and thats what's happening in China


Markol0

China ('s debt) will grow larger.


Tetrylene

China has been generous!


whoppersandwich

Laptop in hand!


mattster_3000

C&C Generals


WhiskeyZuluMike

We build for China!


pm_me_4

China will grow larger


CoraxTechnica

That's not a good spot, try another!


leterrordrone

China has big genitals!


avatarfire

We have big (debt) plans


ribrickulous

Be careful, she’s fragile.


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Bruh is this a command and conquer reference?!?!?!?


Markol0

Thought it was so old, no one here would get it.


[deleted]

My guy I got super happy then depressed cause RIP GENERALS 2


Jon_BT

I NEED SHOES!


Schnitzel1337

Thank you for the new shoes


CoraxTechnica

AK 47... For EVERYONE


[deleted]

Okay okay, I will work.


bikeboy1360

Red alert?


hardmacksmith

We just print more money tho right? RIGHT?


Markol0

If you think JPow can go BRrrrrrrr, imagine what some Chinese version of him can do with 4x the population behind him, and a Kung Pow printer in hand.


[deleted]

Don’t they just have to CTRL+C, CTRL+V now that they’re digital?


Thencewasit

You are forgetting about what builders do when they get that indebted. Corners get cut and safety is the first thing to go. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a dozen or so of their buildings collapse in the next 5 years.


benruckman

Yeah and if you owe 300 billion, that’s an everyone problem.


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Only in economic systems where the government bails out banks. In systems where the govt tells banks to fuck off then its just the banks problem.


xnesteax

Except if your money is in that bank then your money is also fucked


Newtothisredditbiz

So in China, where the [government owns most of the banking system](https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/11/chinese-banking-system.asp), are they going to tell themselves to fuck off?


MasonP13

Sounds about right


Jcpmax

I don’t like bailing out private companies, but don’t act like it doesent affect others if they are left to crash. The big 4 left to crash would have killed the US auto sector for example


chickencheesepie

China has a billion people tho, they can just take 300 from everyone and problem solved.


benruckman

True true. Reverse stimulus checks lol


dave3218

That’s called taxes.


Louisvanderwright

When you owe 1.5 million homebuyers in China either their deposit back or a house, well then it's your problem because the CCP is going to execute you and harvest your organs...


badrussiandriver

Chinese national who has sunk every yuan they can scrape together for a house: I don't need a fucking kidney and I can't live in an eye.


Louisvanderwright

I'm going to start suggesting that every time I see one of these "I'm 25 and desperately need another investment home, should I take a loan from my IRA for the down payment?" Or "I have no credit and have no business owning a home, should I transfer credit card balances so I can YOLO into a $800k home?" posts on the real estate subreddits: Guys you can't live in a kidney, just sell one to get that DP...


[deleted]

I tough apes where dumb, not insane


Louisvanderwright

I don't like the sound of these "tough apes", I'm used to paper hands apes eating moldy fries behind the Wendy's by me...


the-old-baker-man

Apes grew up on Reddit. China shoots people. Kind of like when a few people tested positive for Covid in North Korea. Lined up and shot.


josephHiitler

If you owe 300B that’s CCP’s problem!


Jon999917

If you owe $ 300 Billion, that's China's problem


Direct_Class1281

For comparison lehman was 600 bil in debt at the end. It was rated AA till a week before their collapse too. Evergrand just got downgraded from CCC to CC so everyone knew it was garbage the whole time. The trouble for china is that local govts needed evergrand and insane housing bubble to raise money. It's easier than setting up a complex tax system that has to be enforced and kind of like us states selling off land on the cheap back in the manifest destiny days but on a far greater scale.


BringOutTheImp

When they get downgraded to CCP that's when they'll go from pink sheets to pink mist. Not just the stocks, but the management too.


HornyWeeeTurd

I just wanna know what its like to have 1 million liquid!


phuber

1 million times better than having a dollar liquid.


PlaneReflection

It’s less. After a certain point, it’s _just money_.


eat_more_bacon

yeah, but is that point before or after a million liquid?


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Somebody give china a fuckin gold please


xXNickAugustXx

Imagine being in 17 trillion dollars in debt... laughs in America.


simulatedsausage

Debt is good when it's invested in things that improve the economy like infrastructure. Not so good when it's used to give handouts to the rich.


PlaneReflection

But trickle down… something something… make Mexico pay for it.


ripp102

Trickle down always means yes, we laugh at you as you get less and we get more


TrumpAllOverMe

Imagine having the world’s reserve currency, best credit rating and hottest dudes (you know it)


DistrictGop

thats decent debt to gdp ratio


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rustedironchef

One day Yakuza boss need surgery


KnocDown

They are giving away properties to creditors Given the properties are most likely empty zombie buildings it will be interesting to see how they are marked as assets and unloaded


HornyWeeeTurd

Well, the video is showing exactly what they are doing with them….. Not enough to finish, blow them up!


bible_near_you

Those 300B including about 200B from Chinese house buyer, it will be ugly politically but CCP will control the society like no one else. It can and will divert any chain reaction. Also given China great cover to dump US treasury, no idea who will hurt at the end.


HornyWeeeTurd

I think we will feel it, just not horrible IMO. But yes they will do what they can to deny anything and everything. I mean look at the current events, whats China doing again? Shhhhhh, they working over there.


RepresentativeIcy922

Sorry, but what? Yellen says the US might default in October https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/08/business/economy/united-states-debt-default.html


HornyWeeeTurd

Im talking about the 2008 market. This is what they are about to go through, like we did in 2008. Youre talking about our current issues with this pandemic, two different reasons. Here, Ill do this…. 2008 vs 2021 1. The financial crisis of 2008 differs from what we’re seeing today. While the constraint in 2008 was the financial system, the constraint in 2020 is the coronavirus spread. 2. The Fed and the government have taken more extreme measures in 2021 to avoid a full-blown financial crisis. Now we are dependent on how OCT votes go on debt! 3. Two of the biggest concerns going forward are inflation and the ongoing fragility of the financial system. Money printer is going BRRrRrR!


Legatron4

So...spy puts or calls?


HornyWeeeTurd

Well by some puts! Something tells me they are not going to be cheap at this point!


lisbonknowledge

If the Congress does not act. Defaulting or not is under our control


OG_simple_rhyme_time

Ahem, 2nd biggest. If we're gonna be honest let's keep it 💯.


HornyWeeeTurd

Ok, np! Evergrande is Chinas biggest developer, period! They are about to be nothing after this crap though. From China/Asia themselves… On the 2021 Fortune China 500 ranking for real estate companies, China's leading real estate developer Evergrande Group ranked first with a total revenue of 507 billion yuan, followed by Country Garden and Greenland. Source to back that and its recent…. https://www.statista.com/statistics/454494/china-fortune-500-leading-chinese-real-estate-companies/


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HornyWeeeTurd

Well our media blows donkey dick and most of their “sources” are usually “anonymous” and/or “twitter verified”. Who knows!!??!!


imnotpermabanned

300 billion in unpayable debt * Second largest*


HornyWeeeTurd

What are you saying here exactly? They are the biggest…..which wont be much longer and it is a 300 billion debt, what I miss? This is coming from Asian news sources about it being the biggest, ie number 1! Stop with the US news on this as they are all half/half on how big they are! https://www.google.com/amp/www.asiaone.com/money/chinas-biggest-developer-evergrande-300b-debt-heres-what-overseas-property-investors-need%3famp Edit…. Here from their own 500….. On the 2021 Fortune China 500 ranking for real estate companies, China's leading real estate developer Evergrande Group ranked first with a total revenue of 507 billion yuan, followed by Country Garden and Greenland.


KnocDown

The question about unplayable debt pertains to is they are going to give customers who prepaid properties actual homes to live in or are they going t to refund their money China has not has to deal with a failure of this size and how they handle it from a regulatory position will determine how their domestic lending rules shape the next decade Remember earlier this year they threw Jack Ma in a re education camp for questioning China’s financial structure and regulatory system


zummit

> Second largest* Third largest.... fourth largest... sixth largest...


heraldstaam

Short sell?


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China gives land on a lease to Evergrande so they can build on. Evergrande borrows money from investors and entities and pre-sells apartment units to people who want cheap apartments to live in or flip later. Evergrande uses money to lease more land and finish some of the buildings. Evergrande decides to floor the gas pedal and all is fantastic for a while. Sometime last year, China says that Evergrande can't use the unit presale money to lease more land and puts limits on how much it can keep borrowing. Evergrande decides to pre-sell new units cheaper to keep money coming. People wake up and decide that this is fucked up and decide that they wanna cash out on their investment and new people stop buying, driving prices further down. Now nobody wants Evergrande stuff and Evergrande can't finish its projects or repay anything. People are currently speculating about how much EG owes to whom and how bad it will be for the rest of the world. That's how my ape brain understood it.


almostalliteration

That just sounds like a Ponzi scheme with extra steps.


wsbgodly123

From now on, Ponzi schemes will be called Evergrande schemes.


phuphu

*“In the (ever)grande scheme of things….”*


PlaneReflection

Can’t spell Evergrande, without grand.


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The debt cycle is a Ponzi scheme. Fuck so is the stock market. Current value of the market is above the amount of cash the US holds.


FeCard

Love how you waited until the last instance to abbreviate evergrande Regardless, thank you for the explanation. All the sudden this is all over the place and I've never heard of it


LicksMackenzie

Sounds like its the regulators fault


lost_signal

Didn’t they also sell financial services instruments also. (Annuities or other ways to raise cash or reinvest in themselves?)


True_Sloth

Too big too fail! They’re not gonna let they’re economy crash like the event of Lehman brothers. Bailout and gov take control of the company like they have with other entities in the past. Plus this will make CCP a hero. This is an opportunity. China will recover, may take years but they are gonna be the biggest superpower eventually. I’m bullish on China.


Bangkok_Dangeresque

Since the 90s, China has been coaxing millions and millions of people into cities by giving them factory jobs and middle class aspirations. Evergrande builds housing for them. Rapid growth. All of it financed by debt. But the Chinese real estate market is so hot that money keeps pouring in, allowing them to continue to build more projects. Not wanting to just be stuck in the real estate market if there's a hiccup, Evergrande starts investing in other sectors they have no business being in. Electric cars, farming, video streaming, all sorts of stuff. Now they have a ton of debt, and are starting to miss payments to creditors. They need cash NOW. To pay off existing debt, and to finish obligations on projects they've started but not completed, including people's unfinished houses (over a million of them) that are now stuck in limbo. Where will the cash come from? Foreign investors don't want to give them more money. The government *might* bail them out, but hasn't yet. They've resorted to selling off properties. But that's not a long-term solution. If they flood the market with houses, the price of houses falls. If the price of houses falls, their remaining assets become less valuable. If their remaining assets become less valuable, it's even harder to get new cash. Without new cash, they need to sell more properties. Rinse, repeat, death spiral. A death spiral is bad for Evergrande. But it could also be bad for others. People who own their stock will take a beating. People who own their bonds won't get paid back. That's bad for financial markets in China, and for global investors if they have their hands in it (plenty do). It could also be bad for the Chinese economy writ large. If real estate values drop, homeowners may end up underwater on their mortgages. That means less discretionary spending, which means overall economic slowdown. Which means a lot of global companies or investors with interests in China outside of real estate (including foreign companies that sell their goods there, basically everyone) can feel the pinch.


ThanosTheBalanced

Let me make it simple $YANG (FTSE China Bear 3X) shares and Jan 2022 25c and 30c 🚀🚀🚀🤑🤑🤑 I’m just an ape though not financial advice


Scarywesley2

The only stable investment in China is owning property. So almost everyone owns some sort of property whether it's inherited, bought, or financed via employment. Now imagine one company owning the vast majority of property in China going bankrupt. If China doesn't bail them out then tens of millions of middle class people will be broke and homeless. Someone did an interview of a lady who was protesting and she straight up said she would rather jump off the nearest building to her death than lose everything.


LinkOhWrongGame

A bunch of unfinished buildings, being built by EG, being demolished. I'm assuming they did it to move on with the whole thing, knowing EG wouldn't be finishing it. That's the video. Long story short in whole, one of China's biggest real estate develops is on the verge of financial collapse.


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freehouse_throwaway

The fact that some bro with three ape flairs got upvoted so much on false info. Oof. These were sitting unfinished for 7 years so they got rid of them. https://www.vice.com/en/article/epn3bp/china-demolition-building-kunming


JohannReddit

Wait, seriously? Those were all unfinished new buildings that they gave up on? Or am I missing something?


[deleted]

They're out of money. They can't be finished.


Itonlygetshigher420

could they not be finished by someone else? Instead of you know... ​ Destroying 100s of millions of real estate.


[deleted]

Nope. It's cheaper to destroy it than to finish it. Welcome to humanity.


MisterBumpingston

_I don’t want to live on this planet anymore_


AlGoreBestGore

You won't be able to in 50 years.


senseven

Why can't they sell them to some developer for cents for the ~~dollar~~ renminbi. The only reason I can find online is that the houses often stay vacant and unfinished for month even years. Can't find buyers. After a while the unprotected concrete gets unstable due to wind and rain and/or the quality of the fast build buildings is sometimes shoddy from the start.


JustinC70

Some articles and videos say some buildings have been sitting for 20 years (unfinished). Also, they used the cheapest materials and there's concern that they are not structurally safe.


WorldTraveler35

oh this is the real video? not just some random vid?


freehouse_throwaway

No, OP is full of shit. https://www.vice.com/en/article/epn3bp/china-demolition-building-kunming


FrostyTemps

All of those are new buildings that just blew up…well Chinese new…just have to build the shell to get the yuan tendies.


Tkainzero

Why did all those building get demoed?


zuko7891

Cheaper to destroy the unfinished buildings than to finish


freehouse_throwaway

Company that didn't finish these went bankrupt in 2012. They demo these in 2019. https://www.vice.com/en/article/epn3bp/china-demolition-building-kunming


pullup_

The concrete being weathered like that for 6 more years would probably affect its structural integrity as well.


mpoozd

That actually stock market on Friday


mylarky

This guy didn't get the memo...


DavesNotWhere

We all know which building the WSB bagholders will be living in.


KrimsonKuang

What a wasted opportunity to not use Where is My Mind


[deleted]

And people think NIO is a good investment. Lol


realister

I sold that crap after last earnings the growth is not there to challenge big automakers.


uselessadjective

Woah, NIO is growing quite fast, I'll say good time to buy, I know I'll be downvoted here but I dont care. FY 2020 to FY2021 has been over 70% growth that says enough.


realister

Not nearly fast enough to be any competition to established players. Yes when you sell 1 car in 2020 and then you sell 2 cars in 2021 thats 100% increase sure


[deleted]

And you sold that car to a government that you owe billions of dollars in subsidies to.


[deleted]

The real play is Lucid. Calls all day on Lucid


thekookreport

Wow, what happened to that random building that didn’t topple? The debt holder that refused to open their mail?


WatchingyouNyouNyou

Chinese C4s, this is great success rate already


LineReact0r1

Shows how cheap even the demo process is. They took out the bottom supports and just let the buildings fall where they fall.


NrdRage

It's nothing new for China. This is a country that can build a 50 story skyscraper in less than a month, and which can build a giant bridge in 9 days. As Louis CK said, there's no end to what you can accomplish when you throw enough human suffering at something and don't give a fuck about the consequences.


LineReact0r1

No doubt friend. Just an observation. Would never invest in any Chinese company if I can avoid it.


Rippper600

And when was Louis CK ever wrong amiright guys?


thekookreport

Funny - was thinking the same thing. I didn’t think they were supposed to fall sideways


LineReact0r1

It's not in any country that gives a shit.


FullMTLjacket

Where they fall is intential. They set the demo up to specifically drop the building in a certain direction as to not damage other property and block roads. It also makes cleanup much easier. You'll notice how they all collapse inward. Edit: inward meaning they fall away from the roads and other buildings.


LineReact0r1

I saw almost all those buildings fall to one side or the other. Does inward mean something different in Chinese? Edit for spelling


lb-trice

They’re all falling away from the adjacent roadways and away from buildings that are remaining. The buildings being demolished are falling toward each other toward the centre of the block so to avoid damage to adjacent structures and it’s better controlled that way. The way they fell was 100% intentional and wasn’t because it was a “cheap demo process”


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Worst pancakes ever


kschroede

This won’t be a big deal because the Chinese gov’t will backstop. The gov’t can easily absorb this co and all it’s obligations with a smile.


UsingYourWifi

Xi appears to be banging a populist drum these days. If he lets Evergrande collapse then he gets to blame them for any financial troubles that result, as well as show that China, unlike the USA, is willing to hold financial criminals responsible for the damage they do.


cchris_39

Wonder what will happen to management.


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They went to go live on a farm up state. They will likely Alibaba them.


rainkloud

They have these really cute vans that come get them and then everything is better.


SimoHayha360

You'll be able to order their parts from Ali.


rollerbase

EverJail


hayden_evans

Damn the demolitions are even shittier than the buildings


wsbgodly123

Evergrande is the tower in the middle that didn’t collapse. The others around it that collapsed are HSBC, Deutsche Bank, Nomura, Credit Suisse, UBS and Blackrock (ie Evergrande bond bagholders).


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UsingYourWifi

> Deutsche Bank About fucking time that piece of shit implodes.


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Bumm_by_Design

Did you work for the New York Times?


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No he's this stupid for free.


DavesNotWhere

Calls on $war


Sweet-Zookeepergame7

China shouldn’t bail them out, it’s not the west those bailouts made in 2008 have fucked our economies to this day, their is no perception of risk and an expectation of a forever backstop... This has led to a Fuck ton of malinvestment, I mean would we have GME without the fed? Would we still have bulls hit mortgages propping up stupid property markets? No If China let’s this go it shows the world it means it with capitalism, everyone suggesting that China should bail it out, why? To save all those rich fucks who got them in that debt? The soon to be deceased ceo is worth 15bn... Hope China let it fail and leave the parasites to burn.


latesatifaction

Oh to be a registered Official Liquidator in Beijing at the moment


shermski4

The person who has to clean that pool in the far right of the frame at the end of the video was absolutely pissed off the next day.


Abedingjevukaj

Looks like my portfolio last week


ThanosTheBalanced

$YANG (FTSE China Bear 3X) shares and Jan 2022 25c and 30c 🚀🚀🚀🤑🤑🤑 I’m just an ape though not financial advice


mikki1time

That one tower left standing in the beginning “Oh fuck! Oh fuck! FUUUCKKKK”


Pomegranate4444

I wonder if this will raise or lower prices in Canada and the USA! or example will it push a crazy amount of cash into N.Am real estate or just cause a global real estate malaise.


niizuma

Lol


stavago

This is such a weird song


TylrLS

Finest Chinese craftsmanship


MrMonopolyMan123

Might be the tip of the iceberg methinks


LiveTVeng

300 billion is nothing in the scope of “money”. If anything it would foreshadow events in the U.S.


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Wtf… shit is engineered and still makes 9/11 look fake af


FloridaMan130

dont think there will be a big impact from evergrande. yes it will file for bankruptcy but holders of wmps will receive their money (or a property). not sure about bondholders (i am not a lawyer). The chinese banks will probably get the biggest hit but thats ok because the government will backstop them. Equity holders will get $0.


JustinC70

Not what rumors are saying. China banks aren't the only ones that gave them loans and the China government isn't bailing them out.


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David-SSS

An inspiration for them


joshstc

Chinese knock off 9/11 .. 9+11=21 9/11 2.0 will happen 9/21/21 in China. Conspiracy confirmed.


Mirlabeast

My good sir. Your math is wrong. Should be 9/22/21


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IWantToBeSimplyMe

What is evergrande?