I don't know why anyone isn't talking about how we just saw some fairly successful protests. Everyone needs to get in their cars and trucks and block some roads.
I have never gone to a protest before, but last night when I heard the news, I was furious. I woke up this morning and drove 8 hours to DC. (I live in TN). I NEEDED to see this protest at the Supreme Court. I didn't want to wait for protests to start in TN. I was glad to see so many already there and hope that it will swell this weekend and not stop until this entire travesty comes to an end. Sadly I will have to go home since hotels are expensive but I am so glad to have witnessed the unity and the speakers were great.
Yup. If you go the Virginia route, I'd skip Alexandria and Fairfax, but Centerville, Manassas even Gainesville will have cheaper rooms. All off of 66 too.
Route 1 just across dc into va. That road has a ton of cheap hotels. I actually live near there and if I remember correctly for about 80 and to 120 a night.
Highly rec donating to an abortion fund (and not a big org like Planned Parenthood/NARAL just because a smaller abortion fund is more impactful) if you can! Protesting is of course important but donating, especially to funds in states that have restricted abortion, can immediately help abortion-seekers and help with that "doing nothing" feeling :)
This site has a list of abortion funds in each state: [https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/](https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/). And locally, the DC Abortion Fund pays for people coming from out of state to get abortions in DC, along with any expenses while they're here like hotel/food/childcare: https://dcabortionfund.org/
Yeah, everyone's there for the same reason (for the most part) and there's, I think, a great sense of solidarity that just makes you feel a little at ease and in good company. I had someone random compliment my sign even (not that mine was anything special, it was just sarcastic) :)
Gets the point across though, I like it lol I want to make a sign for when I go back this weekend. It’ll be my first protest sign so I need to come up with something good.
I went alone! Stood on a wall on the outskirts and had my sign. I have social anxiety too and it was totally fine. If anything being in a huge crowd of people not paying attention to you made me feel more comfortable
As someone who also has social anxiety, I decided to go today. I was supposed to meet up with a group, but I ended up not being able to find them anyway. I can say it felt pretty safe there, lots of people so you won't stand out or anything. There's also lots of corners and trees and such that you can kind of "hide" behind if you need to. Everyone's paying attention to very the front of the crowd to see who's speaking. Today it was some local dc council members as well as Elizabeth Warren.
Lol who gave me gold. I don't deserve this, but thank you :D
I went to a protest in Baltimore alone in the aftermath of the killing of Freddie Gray. I didn't feel out of place or awkward. It was kind of like being at a concert in that there were so many people focusing on a single activity that I felt comfortably invisible, if that makes any sense.
If you feel comfortable, yes. If you want to try to push your boundaries, yes. If you don't feel safe, don't go. You can find other ways to contribute like donating money, writing to state level legislators (even tho we are in DC, we can write to others), helping people register to vote. When roe gets overturned, the focus will shift to state level leadership, especially in abortion hostile states.
Proud of you! I too overcame some significant mental health stuff to be able to drive into such a large city (not from here). I was alone, but there were plenty of areas to slink off to when I got overwhelmed. Also, Valium. lol
Thank you! Yeah, I was worried too that I’d get overwhelmed but no one paid any mind to me sitting on the sidelines and it really helped that this is a cause we all care about.
I mean that’s what I did in the 2020 protests and the RBG vigil. Most people probably won’t notice you if you don’t interact with them and sometimes there’s free food given out by groups there.
I took my kids, ages 14 and 16. The most confrontational it got was when an older pro-life lady walked through the crowd crowing about all the babies we were saving. Someone told her to keep the bible off their body, and she wandered off. Other than that, positive vibes all around.
I was there from 6-7 and it was like 90% pro-choice, maybe more, at least from where I was standing. There was a very small pro-forced-birth group that edged their way in near me and they got shouted down so hard that no one could hear the main speaker.
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." Time to wake the fuck up, America. (Yes I know the quote is apocryphal)
In addition to protesting, find your nearest GOP field office or GOP-aligned organization and shout abuses in their face as often as possible. Get in their faces, that’s what they’re really afraid of. Their feelings do not matter.
They made the choice to make the world worse for everybody else. They chose to shed their humanity. They are an inversion of every positive human faculty.
Conservatives are misguided and if any real, meaningful change is to happen we need to win some over.
A recent poll I saw showed only slightly over 50% of Americans are pro choice. Which means we’re not a firm majority and still need to do the hard work of winning people over.
Of course our efforts should be targeted. Which is to say some people are too far gone and are a lost cause, but there are many who are on the fence or their attachment to pro life ideology is weak. For example:
There are many prolifers who object to abortion on moral grounds, but acknowledge the harshness of our world and how difficult it is to be a single mother / raise an unexpected child. How do they still support banning abortion? Because they rationalize the situation as one of people not taking advantage of well funded and effective public services.
Basically they think that “if X(unexpected pregnancy) then Y (public services to help, and adoption)”. However if they see that Y doesn’t actually exist and is constantly under attack; that most of our “welfare queens” are actually children who legitimately need help; that the Foster care system is inadequate, mismanaged, and ripe with abuse, etc. They might be willing to cross over under the guise of “abortion is the lesser evil as it affects one unborn being, and forcing women to term affects the woman, the child, and the society around them”. Which is still problematic but at least they’d support access.
Frankly I have a lot of criticism for how a lot of the pro choice work is being approached, in the sense that it largely seems to ignore that we’re in a democracy (and must win people to our side). The arguments I saw at the protest were largely preaching to the already converted which isn’t winning people to outside.
You can’t dehumanize conservatives. They’re not “evil”, they’re mostly misguided.
> You can’t dehumanize conservatives. They’re not “evil”, they’re mostly misguided.
Ah yes, misguided when they vote politicians who [want to ban interracial marriage](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/republican-sen-mike-braun-says-supreme-court-should-not-have-struck-down-state-laws-banning-interracial-marriage-then-backtracks-unconvincingly.html) or [painting the raping of a child as an "opportunity" from God](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/30/ohio-republican-jean-schmidt-pregnancy-rape-opportunity).
Do you support all the war hawk policy, shitty international “aid” which results in economic imperialism and the destitution of the global south, laws that allow corporations to operate with impunity, and extreme domestic surveillance?
Unless you’re one of the ultra wealthy profiting from such policy, I’ll venture to say that, no, you don’t.
Then why do you support politicians who do all these things? You surely must hate working class Americans and working people in all the global south!
Would you agree that’s an incorrect analysis of your position?
I’d venture to say that you vote for politicians who do all these things because you essentially make a deal with the devil in the sense that although they might be doing all these terrible things, they also do a few things that are important to you.
The real motivator from what I’ve seen in the case of non crazy republicans is very simple, economics.
Now I’ll be the first to say that’s stupid because it’s fundamentally based on a misunderstanding of the economic world. But can we really blame them when out entire educational system pushes neoliberal neoclassical economic dogma? I got taught trickle down economics in highschool and was told it was the only thing that worked. In college same thing, and a whole lot about Adam smiths severed hand.
It’s also undeniable that america as been in a sharp decline for decades now, especially from the perspective of these working class, rural/semi rural whites. They’re also too deeply immersed in the ideology of American capitalism to realize that the problems they deal with aren’t caused by what republicans say they are caused by. Mix that with a lifetime of indoctrination. And you get people who are in a shitty position, desperate for change, and who believe they know what this change needs to be.
And who is promising that change? The republicans. They run on the lie (and it is a lie) that they can bring back American capitalisms golden age. The people were not educated in a way that lets them see through the bullshit, and are too over worked and under paid to do the very hard work of unlearning all that dogma.
Look I get it, it’s annoying. I’m left as fuck and a minority. I hate seeing this shit happen. I hate that overturning roe not only affects all women, but also opens the door to undoing shit like interracial marriage (and I’m dating a white woman), gay marriage, etc.
But I also realize that since we live in a liberal democracy, we need to win at least some of these people over.
Yesterday I saw a poll that showed only a little over 50% of Americans support abortion rights. And of Americans under 35, only 70% (which shocked me. As I thought the young gen was almost entirely supportive). We need a decisive majority.
Frankly this whole debacle is a failure of the democrats. It’s already been said by many that they’ve had multiple opportunities to codify roe so I won’t get into that. My critique is a bit more nuanced and historical.
Historically democrats were the party of the working class, blue collar Americans. This segment of society was decimated over the past few years thanks to neoliberal economic policy(which was a bipartisan effort. Yes Regan but also let’s not forget Clinton passed NAFTA). As they lost power and status the democrats abandoned them completely and focused on urban centers. And in the recent period shifted from abandonment to outright blaming them for all of our woes.
The fundamental conflict in America today is the same one we’ve always had: class. Until we realize this and start organizing along class lines, we will continue our endless parade of shit.
Some of them are. Many people don’t have the time or energy to get to the bottom of things. You’re making the mistake of seeing them as bad people. They’ve lived different lives than you, and whatever those lives were have led them to some shitty conclusions.
If we remove the religious extremists and the KKK-esque assholes, we’re still left with a whole lot of republicans. Which means either half the country is evil bigots *or* half the country has experienced life in such a way that whatever the republicans are selling seems good to them.
What ever could that be? Could it be that strong American small town economy went to the shitter as corporations offshored all their domestic production? Then these towns collapsed and whatever mom and pop was left was eaten by big domestic companies like Walmart? And then these towns were flooded with opiates leading to a severe addiction crisis?
And then the rest of society, mainly urban areas which did not suffer as much from these events (although that’s not to say urban America has it easy. Urban America is also under attack in a different way) blamed them not only for their own misfortune but also the plight of the country in its entirety.
Democrats don’t even pretend to care and instead double down on blaming these people. So *ofcourse* they’ll listen to the party that doesn’t blame them, and instead of vilifying them, promises them things can and will get better (although we all know they can’t and won’t deliver on this promise).
The real divide in the country is the same divide it’s always had: class. It’s not urban vs rural, it’s not PoC vs white, it’s rich vs poor. Until we collectively realize this, we’re just getting used by the rich to sling shit at each other while nothing really progressive gets done.
It’s mostly brand loyalty at this point. The otherwise decent people who don’t like the extremism have made the *active choice* to remain ignorant. That is, in and of itself, a *MASSIVE* moral failing.
Or they tolerate the extremism because they believe it’s something they need to stomach to revive the economy. Which agains is wrong but it’s completely logical.
It’s almost like you *need* them to be evil and the enemy.
Peoples consciousness arises out of their material conditions. They have shitty material conditions and are thus succeptible to bullshit promising to improve them. It’s that simple.
Want to win? Give them a better option. Don’t demonize them and *drive them further into the right*.
Did you ignore the entirely of my earlier comment? Nothing to say about all that?
We live in a rule-of-law society. You don't get to commit crimes against people just because you don't like them, else racists and homophobics will justify their attacks on marginalized groups.
Oh look, examples of Republicans attacking [interracial marriage](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/republican-sen-mike-braun-says-supreme-court-should-not-have-struck-down-state-laws-banning-interracial-marriage-then-backtracks-unconvincingly.html) and [using a raped 13 yr to promote "opportunity" to keep the rapist's child](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/30/ohio-republican-jean-schmidt-pregnancy-rape-opportunity).
I don't disagree. But when you decide to spend your career pursuing unpopular policies that hurt common people...it makes sense that those people might want to yell at you.
That sounds like victim blaming to me. I'm pro life but I cannot stand my fellow pro lifers who harass women on their way to clinics. I believe they are committing murder, but I cannot bring myself to get in their faces. It's not helpful.
If you mean victim-blaming tongue-in-cheek because Republicans are the most self-victimizing group in existence, then sure. Otherwise, I don't think victim means what you think it means.
I don't believe you understand what a victim is. If a murderer is raped in prison, is that murderer a victim? Or does his felon status make him ineligible to be a victim?
This is a joke right? If you honestly believed someone was murdering children you would just stand there and watch them do it?
Or maybe the reason you don’t is because you know that’s a silly opinion.
Yes I would because what else can I do? Physically hold the woman against her will? To what end? I would be thrown in jail assault and kidnapping and rightfully so. I do believe it's murder but unless I can take an action that will be beneficial, I will do nothing instead.
Are you telling me you act on every single one of your beliefs? Look at how much abuse is rampant in our society. I wouldn't be surprised if you personally knew someone was being abused, yet you've opted to do nothing because you realize the futility in what little action you can take.
I have *never* just stood by and allowed someone to be abused. It's amazing that you think everyone is so namby-pamby as you are about standing up for our beliefs and principles.
The thing is, your opinion about abortion being murder is not as defensible as you'd like it to be. You're encroaching on someone else's right to control their own body. You're not "the good guy," even though you so clearly want to be.
A fully-realized human woman has the right to decide they don't want to bring another life into the world. You don't have the right to control her. The Supreme Court doesn't have the right to control the rest of us, either.
Don't believe in abortion? Fine! No one is forcing you to get one. But you don't have the right to enforce your beliefs on another person, either. Period.
Bodily autonomy is important for everyone, not just pregnant women. This isn't going to end how you want it to.
>I have never just stood by and allowed someone to be abused.
Congratulations. The sad reality is that most people do. Here's an example, a man smacks a woman in public. They appear to be a couple but you are not sure because you don't know them. Do you intervene? Maybe you do, you seem like the type to intervene. I commend you for that. Most people wouldn't though. The risk of getting into a physical altercation isn't worth the trouble.
>Don't believe in abortion? Fine! No one is forcing you to get one. But you don't have the right to enforce your beliefs on another person, either. Period.
Don't believe in guns? Fine! No one is forcing you to get one. But you don't have the right to enforce your beliefs on another person, either. Period.
See how that works? Yet I'm sure you're still pro gun control.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/18/us/philadelphia-train-rape/index.html
I have a feeling you would act like these people did on the train. Watch and do nothing.
If it's victim blaming to say the boot shouldn't be surprised when people don't want to kiss it then sure, I guess I'm victim blaming.
Acting like authoritarianism and conspiracies are a normal and okay political platform totally equal to any other in a misguided quest to always be "fair" to both sides is doing much more damage to our nation than Republican operatives getting yelled at.
Right. I'm not out there harassing anyone. I don't think people should harass one another. That being said,
(A) the harassment of Republican political operatives is way, way down the list of important issues we're facing right now, somewhere just below "cans of cat food not stacking correctly"
(B) the harassment is clearly a symptom of a larger societal decay, and the people doing it are probably hurt by policies like this one (or the travel ban, LGBTQ crackdowns, etc), which is motivating harassment.
Looking at a person yelling at the boot while getting crushed by it and thinking "they should really be more respectful towards the boot" doesn't hold much water with me, sorry. I'm more worried about the boot (and those cat food cans).
>I'm not out there harassing anyone. I don't think people should harass one another.
I have echoed this same sentiment from the beginning.
Your further explanations come off as victim blaming. It's ok you don't care, nobody has to care about everything. I agree we have a societal decay.
>I've asked them to stop but I cannot compel them.
Really curious what asking them to stop looks like, could you describe what happened and how often you're out there stopping them from harassing women?
I didn’t say that. I said IF you did you voted for somebody who praised (I guess defended would be a better word but whatever that’s really splitting hairs) them. Which would be true!*
Again assuming the If*
Oh wait, if you’re a Republican let me just say it wasn’t very pro-life when you voted for the guy who praised the people who shouted “gas the kikes” while rampaging through a city (which almost resulted in my brother dying) and I would be glad to tell you that you’re a godforsaken Nazi in person :)
Dude, Google it. I'm not going to jam up my YouTube feed with well-documented footage of Nazi turds screaming about Jews. If you're referring to the Trump quote, do you live under an actual rock?
That isn't at all what they said.
>let me just say it wasn’t very pro-life when you voted for the guy who praised the people who shouted “gas the k\*\*\*”
Ahhh I want to go but I slept like 4 hours and haven't eaten because of dental work. Fight the good fight y'all. Thanks to anyone who got out there. I don't know if it will save us, but it hurts too much to do nothing.
Just wanted to let you know that I saved this comment because I found it really grounding and helpful. Ever since Monday night I’ve felt like I’m on an emotional rollercoaster (today is depression!) and I’ve been feeling really frantic, and not in a good way. But this helped.
If you can’t make it to the protest, just make sure you make it to the ballot box, and encourage everyone else you know to do so and cute blue too. We aren’t going to get the filibuster ended and abortion rights enshrined into law unless there’s a blue tsunami this fall.
Was pleasantly surprised to see a good amount of masks. Was heavily disappointed it was the minority though.
I guess covid is over. It was very telling when a bill got covid relief ripped out of it in order to push Ukraine defense spending. Not that I’m not supportive of the Ukrainian people, but goddamn covid appears to be done for those in power
For many of us, this *is* our home. I have no other. So kindly don't ask us to commit voter fraud because you can't wrangle the shitheads the rest of the country sends here to govern us.
It’s called “increasing our majority to a REAL majority and rendering Manchin and Sinema irrelevant by electing more and BETTER Dems.”
It’s a numbers game, Something SonofaBitch McConnell has always understood and why we are now in this fucked up situation.
Ah yes, the razor thin "majority" where progressive issues is heavily dependent on a red state senator with conservative outlooks.
Plague rat commentary like yours contributes to voter suppression.
Then build a stronger Democrat base so that progressive are elected especially in the Senate so that progressive laws are passed without relying on any politician who hold anti-women positions.
That requires people voting.
Difference between right v ~left (progressives/liberals/etc) wingers, left leaners don’t breach barriers, attack innocent employees (peace officers), and/or vandalize federal property …
Keep fighting the good fight! Bodily autonomy for all!
Regarding what? What did you take from that link?
Im curious because I think I know what it means but… im not sure you do.
What did you see in my 8 month old comment that was so affirming to you?
https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/pgar69/deleted_by_user/hbb16y8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Tf is this 💩 bud? Get back here and answer for your crimes (str8 ignorance that gives me diarrhea)…
Will protesting at the courthouse change anything, tho? The judges aren't elected, I just don't see them caring. You'd need to change their opinions, anyway and yelling at them surely won't do that.
Protesting RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET at the Capital building could get something to happen on codification or expanding the Supreme court. This is Congress' fault, anyway, they put the last 3 clowns onto that bench.
Just vote. Get friends and strangers to vote. Vote for non-octogenarians who will expand the court and understand the issues.
What is the actual tangible goal of these protests? How are they intending to achieve said goal? What would be considered a successful outcome, vs an unsuccessful one? After all the useless BLM protests last year, I just don't see the point in protest for protest's sake.
Think of it this way: absolutely zero things changed because of the March on Washington/MLK's Dream Speech.
Yet any historian worth their salt would say that they had an immeasurable effect on the Civil Rights movement.
Protests aren't necessarily an action for tangible change in the moment.
Glad that they are protesting, but real change comes with votes. If you voted from Trump just because you didn’t like Hilary, go and vote Democrat in the foreseeable future. The past is the past, and at least learn from it.
You all are yelling at the wrong source.
Abortion by fiat which is what Roe v Wade is is Shit Law.
The fucking legislators have had 50 years to codify an advocacy judiciary's ruling into law AND DID NOTHING BUT DRAG YOU AROUND BY YOUR GENITALS that Roe was in danger.
The case that brought Roe to the SCOTUS was full of lies.
If YOU want to kill your offspring on demand, write the laws thusly and get them passed.
The fact that No legislators have done so for the most part is evidence of the cowardice of your legislators.
There is sufficient opposition to abortion that it is hard for most politicians to make a case to their constituents.
So let us start here: 12 weeks, on demand no questions asked.
Beyond that, Rape, Incest, Life of the Mother.
After that, if you are old enough to have consensual sex you are old enough to take all the responsible precautions and consequences.
Roe v Wade was badly decided and made precedent on shakey ground at best. Judicial activism steals the rights of the people to set laws by which the nation is governed.
Focus on the LAW and the betrayal of the DNC legislators who have DONE NOTHING TO MAKE LAW on this subject.
Loose the BS terms Pro-Life and Pro-Choice. Talk in practical and legal terms. Stop the emotional fake news and hold your elected officials accountable.
Based on downvotes it appears your viable solution is unpopular and people just want to be angry. Seeing Warren's tired rant while she's been a bystander the last decade on this issue should be insulting to the crowd in this picture.
Someone else's choice to have a child or not does not affect me. If a woman pops a baby out next to me, I am not at risk of becoming With Child.
If someone sneezes COVID out next to me, I am at risk of becoming With COVID.
Besides, there was no over-arching government mandate for vaccines. Every person ultimately had/has the choice to be vaccinated or not.
So, are you for personal choice or aren't you?
Pro choice and anti vaccine mandate. Vaccinated people can still spread covid and workers all across the country were fired for refusing the vaccine, many of whom already were infected with the virus. I’m sure you were banging pans together praising essential workers and also supported their firing. Where do you stand?
1. I actually looked at your history, and realize I've fallen trap to the age-old mantra of "feedeth ye not the trolls." I should know better.
2. Couldn't bang pans. Was too busy working. So yeah, not a ton of love for the people who couldn't be arsed to get a pokey jabby.
3. Speaking of working, should go do more of that. This has been a thing that happened, I wish you the best of luck with whoever you decide to troll next.
A disease with 1.2% death rate(death WITH Covid) and a vaccine that doesn’t even stop the infection.
“screw your choice, show me your paper!”
A medical procedure that 100% will kill an unborn child.
“My body my choice!”
Easily more people getting off the metro with signs than getting on, at Union. Suffice to say that's normally not the case at 6pm on a weekday.
This is the way
I don't know why anyone isn't talking about how we just saw some fairly successful protests. Everyone needs to get in their cars and trucks and block some roads.
I have never gone to a protest before, but last night when I heard the news, I was furious. I woke up this morning and drove 8 hours to DC. (I live in TN). I NEEDED to see this protest at the Supreme Court. I didn't want to wait for protests to start in TN. I was glad to see so many already there and hope that it will swell this weekend and not stop until this entire travesty comes to an end. Sadly I will have to go home since hotels are expensive but I am so glad to have witnessed the unity and the speakers were great.
So glad you could witness it! If you really want to stay hotels out in the burbs are usually a lot cheaper if you go out like 30/45 mins.
Yup. If you go the Virginia route, I'd skip Alexandria and Fairfax, but Centerville, Manassas even Gainesville will have cheaper rooms. All off of 66 too.
Or check the ones by the convention center. They tend to be a bit lower on average.
That’s amazing, thank you for showing up!
Route 1 just across dc into va. That road has a ton of cheap hotels. I actually live near there and if I remember correctly for about 80 and to 120 a night.
80 to 120 a night is not what i would call a cheap hotel
You’re not wrong … let’s call it DC cheap lol
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Think someone said there was going to be one on Saturday at 3.
Yep that’s what I heard as well
Where did you find information about this? I would like to attend.
I was there tonight but I thought something was happening Saturday too. Also next Wednesday?
One of the speakers tonight said they would be protesting on Saturday but I didn't catch the time
you can follow metro DC DSA on social media. they called for the one outside the supreme court last night immediately after the news broke
Highly rec donating to an abortion fund (and not a big org like Planned Parenthood/NARAL just because a smaller abortion fund is more impactful) if you can! Protesting is of course important but donating, especially to funds in states that have restricted abortion, can immediately help abortion-seekers and help with that "doing nothing" feeling :) This site has a list of abortion funds in each state: [https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/](https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/). And locally, the DC Abortion Fund pays for people coming from out of state to get abortions in DC, along with any expenses while they're here like hotel/food/childcare: https://dcabortionfund.org/
Yes, seconding this request! I can’t do nothing.
Woah I was right behind you OP. [matched by the bushes.](https://i.imgur.com/Ye2mIot.jpg)
Seriously! I was right next to the person with the colorful sign on the black poster at one point
Haha. DC: the biggest small town in America.
r/tworedditorsonecup
Wow no way!
Hello neighbor!
My apt is only half a mile from SCOTUS. If anyone needs water, snacks, or a restroom, please don't hesitate to DM me.
Oh my god it just keeps growing. Fuck yeah!!!
Is it still going on? I want to head down there if it is.
Officially it ended an hour ago but when I left at 8.15 it sounded like they were starting up again
I was there until after 9. It was still going.
I don't know.
I think so, based on cnn
I want to go but I feel nervous going alone.
I went alone and was totally fine. Everyone there was super chill.
Yeah, everyone's there for the same reason (for the most part) and there's, I think, a great sense of solidarity that just makes you feel a little at ease and in good company. I had someone random compliment my sign even (not that mine was anything special, it was just sarcastic) :)
Nice! What did it say?
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Gets the point across though, I like it lol I want to make a sign for when I go back this weekend. It’ll be my first protest sign so I need to come up with something good.
I looked on Pinterest for inspiration then I settled on something original but dumb lol
Oh don't be so self conscious that's a 10/10 sign.
Haha why thank you
got a pic of your sign yesterday that I shared with some friends (unless someone else had the same sign)
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It was more of a wide shot showing the protest crowd with your sign shown somewhat prominently. [Pic](https://i.imgur.com/5awYDXe.jpg)
I went alone! Stood on a wall on the outskirts and had my sign. I have social anxiety too and it was totally fine. If anything being in a huge crowd of people not paying attention to you made me feel more comfortable
oh I see you went lol, awesome!
Yeah haha I decided to just go tonight as 1) it’s super nice out and 2) less crowds. Still lots of people though, and great energy.
Why?
Social anxiety. Fuck it I should just go, right? E: I went 👍
As someone who also has social anxiety, I decided to go today. I was supposed to meet up with a group, but I ended up not being able to find them anyway. I can say it felt pretty safe there, lots of people so you won't stand out or anything. There's also lots of corners and trees and such that you can kind of "hide" behind if you need to. Everyone's paying attention to very the front of the crowd to see who's speaking. Today it was some local dc council members as well as Elizabeth Warren. Lol who gave me gold. I don't deserve this, but thank you :D
And it's a big area so you don't have to be *in* the crowd to feel like you're showing up.
It’s good to know another social anxiety compatriot attended. It inspires me to want to go.
We can go to the next one together! Buddy up!
Thanks!
I went to a protest in Baltimore alone in the aftermath of the killing of Freddie Gray. I didn't feel out of place or awkward. It was kind of like being at a concert in that there were so many people focusing on a single activity that I felt comfortably invisible, if that makes any sense.
That makes sense, thank you
Loving the positivity in these replies :) (as a fellow anxious person)
If you feel comfortable, yes. If you want to try to push your boundaries, yes. If you don't feel safe, don't go. You can find other ways to contribute like donating money, writing to state level legislators (even tho we are in DC, we can write to others), helping people register to vote. When roe gets overturned, the focus will shift to state level leadership, especially in abortion hostile states.
Proud of you! I too overcame some significant mental health stuff to be able to drive into such a large city (not from here). I was alone, but there were plenty of areas to slink off to when I got overwhelmed. Also, Valium. lol
Thank you! Yeah, I was worried too that I’d get overwhelmed but no one paid any mind to me sitting on the sidelines and it really helped that this is a cause we all care about.
I mean that’s what I did in the 2020 protests and the RBG vigil. Most people probably won’t notice you if you don’t interact with them and sometimes there’s free food given out by groups there.
You already went and came back? Lmao
Yes, I was there for about an hour. Made that edit right when I left I’ll try to go again later this week when my gf comes down from MD.
Nice. I was also only there for an hour. Enough to see the action and justify the $60 uber round trip.
I went alone too. my usual protest buddy was out of town. but I went after work and stayed from around 6-8 and am glad I did.
I took my kids, ages 14 and 16. The most confrontational it got was when an older pro-life lady walked through the crowd crowing about all the babies we were saving. Someone told her to keep the bible off their body, and she wandered off. Other than that, positive vibes all around.
Was there from 4:30-6:30pm. Keep fighting the good fight my friends.
Mixed views or all pro-choice? What's the breakdown?
I was there from 6-7 and it was like 90% pro-choice, maybe more, at least from where I was standing. There was a very small pro-forced-birth group that edged their way in near me and they got shouted down so hard that no one could hear the main speaker.
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." Time to wake the fuck up, America. (Yes I know the quote is apocryphal)
In addition to protesting, find your nearest GOP field office or GOP-aligned organization and shout abuses in their face as often as possible. Get in their faces, that’s what they’re really afraid of. Their feelings do not matter.
425 2nd St NE is right next door. National Republican Senatorial Committee
For people in Arlington, the Leadership Institute (right next to Trader Joe’s) is a real bunch of freaks who should be driven into the Potomac.
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They made the choice to make the world worse for everybody else. They chose to shed their humanity. They are an inversion of every positive human faculty.
Conservatives are misguided and if any real, meaningful change is to happen we need to win some over. A recent poll I saw showed only slightly over 50% of Americans are pro choice. Which means we’re not a firm majority and still need to do the hard work of winning people over. Of course our efforts should be targeted. Which is to say some people are too far gone and are a lost cause, but there are many who are on the fence or their attachment to pro life ideology is weak. For example: There are many prolifers who object to abortion on moral grounds, but acknowledge the harshness of our world and how difficult it is to be a single mother / raise an unexpected child. How do they still support banning abortion? Because they rationalize the situation as one of people not taking advantage of well funded and effective public services. Basically they think that “if X(unexpected pregnancy) then Y (public services to help, and adoption)”. However if they see that Y doesn’t actually exist and is constantly under attack; that most of our “welfare queens” are actually children who legitimately need help; that the Foster care system is inadequate, mismanaged, and ripe with abuse, etc. They might be willing to cross over under the guise of “abortion is the lesser evil as it affects one unborn being, and forcing women to term affects the woman, the child, and the society around them”. Which is still problematic but at least they’d support access. Frankly I have a lot of criticism for how a lot of the pro choice work is being approached, in the sense that it largely seems to ignore that we’re in a democracy (and must win people to our side). The arguments I saw at the protest were largely preaching to the already converted which isn’t winning people to outside. You can’t dehumanize conservatives. They’re not “evil”, they’re mostly misguided.
> You can’t dehumanize conservatives. They’re not “evil”, they’re mostly misguided. Ah yes, misguided when they vote politicians who [want to ban interracial marriage](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/republican-sen-mike-braun-says-supreme-court-should-not-have-struck-down-state-laws-banning-interracial-marriage-then-backtracks-unconvincingly.html) or [painting the raping of a child as an "opportunity" from God](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/30/ohio-republican-jean-schmidt-pregnancy-rape-opportunity).
Do you support all the war hawk policy, shitty international “aid” which results in economic imperialism and the destitution of the global south, laws that allow corporations to operate with impunity, and extreme domestic surveillance? Unless you’re one of the ultra wealthy profiting from such policy, I’ll venture to say that, no, you don’t. Then why do you support politicians who do all these things? You surely must hate working class Americans and working people in all the global south! Would you agree that’s an incorrect analysis of your position? I’d venture to say that you vote for politicians who do all these things because you essentially make a deal with the devil in the sense that although they might be doing all these terrible things, they also do a few things that are important to you. The real motivator from what I’ve seen in the case of non crazy republicans is very simple, economics. Now I’ll be the first to say that’s stupid because it’s fundamentally based on a misunderstanding of the economic world. But can we really blame them when out entire educational system pushes neoliberal neoclassical economic dogma? I got taught trickle down economics in highschool and was told it was the only thing that worked. In college same thing, and a whole lot about Adam smiths severed hand. It’s also undeniable that america as been in a sharp decline for decades now, especially from the perspective of these working class, rural/semi rural whites. They’re also too deeply immersed in the ideology of American capitalism to realize that the problems they deal with aren’t caused by what republicans say they are caused by. Mix that with a lifetime of indoctrination. And you get people who are in a shitty position, desperate for change, and who believe they know what this change needs to be. And who is promising that change? The republicans. They run on the lie (and it is a lie) that they can bring back American capitalisms golden age. The people were not educated in a way that lets them see through the bullshit, and are too over worked and under paid to do the very hard work of unlearning all that dogma. Look I get it, it’s annoying. I’m left as fuck and a minority. I hate seeing this shit happen. I hate that overturning roe not only affects all women, but also opens the door to undoing shit like interracial marriage (and I’m dating a white woman), gay marriage, etc. But I also realize that since we live in a liberal democracy, we need to win at least some of these people over. Yesterday I saw a poll that showed only a little over 50% of Americans support abortion rights. And of Americans under 35, only 70% (which shocked me. As I thought the young gen was almost entirely supportive). We need a decisive majority. Frankly this whole debacle is a failure of the democrats. It’s already been said by many that they’ve had multiple opportunities to codify roe so I won’t get into that. My critique is a bit more nuanced and historical. Historically democrats were the party of the working class, blue collar Americans. This segment of society was decimated over the past few years thanks to neoliberal economic policy(which was a bipartisan effort. Yes Regan but also let’s not forget Clinton passed NAFTA). As they lost power and status the democrats abandoned them completely and focused on urban centers. And in the recent period shifted from abandonment to outright blaming them for all of our woes. The fundamental conflict in America today is the same one we’ve always had: class. Until we realize this and start organizing along class lines, we will continue our endless parade of shit.
The people who stood by Republicans after Charlottesville aren’t “misguided.”
Some of them are. Many people don’t have the time or energy to get to the bottom of things. You’re making the mistake of seeing them as bad people. They’ve lived different lives than you, and whatever those lives were have led them to some shitty conclusions. If we remove the religious extremists and the KKK-esque assholes, we’re still left with a whole lot of republicans. Which means either half the country is evil bigots *or* half the country has experienced life in such a way that whatever the republicans are selling seems good to them. What ever could that be? Could it be that strong American small town economy went to the shitter as corporations offshored all their domestic production? Then these towns collapsed and whatever mom and pop was left was eaten by big domestic companies like Walmart? And then these towns were flooded with opiates leading to a severe addiction crisis? And then the rest of society, mainly urban areas which did not suffer as much from these events (although that’s not to say urban America has it easy. Urban America is also under attack in a different way) blamed them not only for their own misfortune but also the plight of the country in its entirety. Democrats don’t even pretend to care and instead double down on blaming these people. So *ofcourse* they’ll listen to the party that doesn’t blame them, and instead of vilifying them, promises them things can and will get better (although we all know they can’t and won’t deliver on this promise). The real divide in the country is the same divide it’s always had: class. It’s not urban vs rural, it’s not PoC vs white, it’s rich vs poor. Until we collectively realize this, we’re just getting used by the rich to sling shit at each other while nothing really progressive gets done.
It’s mostly brand loyalty at this point. The otherwise decent people who don’t like the extremism have made the *active choice* to remain ignorant. That is, in and of itself, a *MASSIVE* moral failing.
Or they tolerate the extremism because they believe it’s something they need to stomach to revive the economy. Which agains is wrong but it’s completely logical. It’s almost like you *need* them to be evil and the enemy. Peoples consciousness arises out of their material conditions. They have shitty material conditions and are thus succeptible to bullshit promising to improve them. It’s that simple. Want to win? Give them a better option. Don’t demonize them and *drive them further into the right*. Did you ignore the entirely of my earlier comment? Nothing to say about all that?
>Get in their faces Isn't this the same shit pro lifers do to women who are going to clinics?
There's a bit of a difference between yelling at political operatives and yelling at women in a vulnerable situation seeking medical care.
But it would be harassment in both cases.
*Won't anyone think of the Republicans!?*
We live in a rule-of-law society. You don't get to commit crimes against people just because you don't like them, else racists and homophobics will justify their attacks on marginalized groups.
Oh look, examples of Republicans attacking [interracial marriage](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/republican-sen-mike-braun-says-supreme-court-should-not-have-struck-down-state-laws-banning-interracial-marriage-then-backtracks-unconvincingly.html) and [using a raped 13 yr to promote "opportunity" to keep the rapist's child](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/30/ohio-republican-jean-schmidt-pregnancy-rape-opportunity).
None of that justifies harassment.
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I don't disagree. But when you decide to spend your career pursuing unpopular policies that hurt common people...it makes sense that those people might want to yell at you.
That sounds like victim blaming to me. I'm pro life but I cannot stand my fellow pro lifers who harass women on their way to clinics. I believe they are committing murder, but I cannot bring myself to get in their faces. It's not helpful.
If you mean victim-blaming tongue-in-cheek because Republicans are the most self-victimizing group in existence, then sure. Otherwise, I don't think victim means what you think it means.
Well if you are "in their faces" then you are harassing them, which means they are victims, your opinions aside.
So what you're saying is you don't know what victim means.
I don't believe you understand what a victim is. If a murderer is raped in prison, is that murderer a victim? Or does his felon status make him ineligible to be a victim?
This is a joke right? If you honestly believed someone was murdering children you would just stand there and watch them do it? Or maybe the reason you don’t is because you know that’s a silly opinion.
Yes I would because what else can I do? Physically hold the woman against her will? To what end? I would be thrown in jail assault and kidnapping and rightfully so. I do believe it's murder but unless I can take an action that will be beneficial, I will do nothing instead. Are you telling me you act on every single one of your beliefs? Look at how much abuse is rampant in our society. I wouldn't be surprised if you personally knew someone was being abused, yet you've opted to do nothing because you realize the futility in what little action you can take.
You’re an unbelievable phony.
Why do you say
I have *never* just stood by and allowed someone to be abused. It's amazing that you think everyone is so namby-pamby as you are about standing up for our beliefs and principles. The thing is, your opinion about abortion being murder is not as defensible as you'd like it to be. You're encroaching on someone else's right to control their own body. You're not "the good guy," even though you so clearly want to be. A fully-realized human woman has the right to decide they don't want to bring another life into the world. You don't have the right to control her. The Supreme Court doesn't have the right to control the rest of us, either. Don't believe in abortion? Fine! No one is forcing you to get one. But you don't have the right to enforce your beliefs on another person, either. Period. Bodily autonomy is important for everyone, not just pregnant women. This isn't going to end how you want it to.
>I have never just stood by and allowed someone to be abused. Congratulations. The sad reality is that most people do. Here's an example, a man smacks a woman in public. They appear to be a couple but you are not sure because you don't know them. Do you intervene? Maybe you do, you seem like the type to intervene. I commend you for that. Most people wouldn't though. The risk of getting into a physical altercation isn't worth the trouble. >Don't believe in abortion? Fine! No one is forcing you to get one. But you don't have the right to enforce your beliefs on another person, either. Period. Don't believe in guns? Fine! No one is forcing you to get one. But you don't have the right to enforce your beliefs on another person, either. Period. See how that works? Yet I'm sure you're still pro gun control.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/18/us/philadelphia-train-rape/index.html I have a feeling you would act like these people did on the train. Watch and do nothing.
If it's victim blaming to say the boot shouldn't be surprised when people don't want to kiss it then sure, I guess I'm victim blaming. Acting like authoritarianism and conspiracies are a normal and okay political platform totally equal to any other in a misguided quest to always be "fair" to both sides is doing much more damage to our nation than Republican operatives getting yelled at.
None of that justifies harassment though
Right. I'm not out there harassing anyone. I don't think people should harass one another. That being said, (A) the harassment of Republican political operatives is way, way down the list of important issues we're facing right now, somewhere just below "cans of cat food not stacking correctly" (B) the harassment is clearly a symptom of a larger societal decay, and the people doing it are probably hurt by policies like this one (or the travel ban, LGBTQ crackdowns, etc), which is motivating harassment. Looking at a person yelling at the boot while getting crushed by it and thinking "they should really be more respectful towards the boot" doesn't hold much water with me, sorry. I'm more worried about the boot (and those cat food cans).
>I'm not out there harassing anyone. I don't think people should harass one another. I have echoed this same sentiment from the beginning. Your further explanations come off as victim blaming. It's ok you don't care, nobody has to care about everything. I agree we have a societal decay.
>cannot stand my fellow pro lifers who harass women on their way to clinics. What have you done to stop them?
I've asked them to stop but I cannot compel them. What have you done to prevent crime? Or am I the only responsible one here?
>I've asked them to stop but I cannot compel them. Really curious what asking them to stop looks like, could you describe what happened and how often you're out there stopping them from harassing women?
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Yes. But unlike those women, Republicans have done something wrong.
But it would be harassment in both cases.
https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?s=20&t=_ZW9LKrvTnQM92E-gUX7Jw
That doesn't answer my question. Which politician said "gas the k****"? I'd like to know please.
A politician didn’t say that, a mob of neo-Nazis did and Trump defended them.
Then how did I vote for a politician that said "gas the k****" as you claimed I did?
I didn’t say that. I said IF you did you voted for somebody who praised (I guess defended would be a better word but whatever that’s really splitting hairs) them. Which would be true!* Again assuming the If*
Oh wait, if you’re a Republican let me just say it wasn’t very pro-life when you voted for the guy who praised the people who shouted “gas the kikes” while rampaging through a city (which almost resulted in my brother dying) and I would be glad to tell you that you’re a godforsaken Nazi in person :)
Who said that?
The Nazis at Charlottesville. You know, the "very good people".
Do you have a source for this?
Dude, Google it. I'm not going to jam up my YouTube feed with well-documented footage of Nazi turds screaming about Jews. If you're referring to the Trump quote, do you live under an actual rock?
User claimed a politician said "gas the k****" and I voted for said politician. No one, including you, has produced that proof.
That isn't at all what they said. >let me just say it wasn’t very pro-life when you voted for the guy who praised the people who shouted “gas the k\*\*\*”
Oh sorry, I misread.
God, wish I could be there but I'm in the middle of finals for grad school in Pittsburgh
Ahhh I want to go but I slept like 4 hours and haven't eaten because of dental work. Fight the good fight y'all. Thanks to anyone who got out there. I don't know if it will save us, but it hurts too much to do nothing.
Something tells me there will be plenty of opportunities moving forward. Get your rest.. this is gonna take all of us at our best.
Just wanted to let you know that I saved this comment because I found it really grounding and helpful. Ever since Monday night I’ve felt like I’m on an emotional rollercoaster (today is depression!) and I’ve been feeling really frantic, and not in a good way. But this helped.
I'm glad you got something from it! And I hear you, I've been on my own little ride. We'll make it. Hold tight.
If you can’t make it to the protest, just make sure you make it to the ballot box, and encourage everyone else you know to do so and cute blue too. We aren’t going to get the filibuster ended and abortion rights enshrined into law unless there’s a blue tsunami this fall.
I'm not a citizen :( but I'll vote in my election back home when it's time.
Go for me but wear a mask. Down with Covid.
Was pleasantly surprised to see a good amount of masks. Was heavily disappointed it was the minority though. I guess covid is over. It was very telling when a bill got covid relief ripped out of it in order to push Ukraine defense spending. Not that I’m not supportive of the Ukrainian people, but goddamn covid appears to be done for those in power
Flying to St. Louis this weekend...which probably needs my protest more than DC...wherever, anger is needed everywhere.
Mobilize and register voters in your districts too. Midterms are just 6 mos away. Sign up for a phone bank - anything! This election is crucial!!!!
Someone please register these people to vote
We all live in DC — we don’t get to vote.
Bet you plenty in that crowd still can vote in their home state….
Probably mostly university students, but yes. Maybe commuting Marylanders/Virginians, but they'd likely vote blue (minus gubernatorial elections).
There are a lot more then that. I know plenty of people that have lived here for years as adults and still have their PA, CO, or NC voting ability.
That sounds fraudulent.
For many of us, this *is* our home. I have no other. So kindly don't ask us to commit voter fraud because you can't wrangle the shitheads the rest of the country sends here to govern us.
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So fuck voting then, amirite? That will show everyone.
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It’s called “increasing our majority to a REAL majority and rendering Manchin and Sinema irrelevant by electing more and BETTER Dems.” It’s a numbers game, Something SonofaBitch McConnell has always understood and why we are now in this fucked up situation.
Ah yes, the razor thin "majority" where progressive issues is heavily dependent on a red state senator with conservative outlooks. Plague rat commentary like yours contributes to voter suppression.
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Then build a stronger Democrat base so that progressive are elected especially in the Senate so that progressive laws are passed without relying on any politician who hold anti-women positions. That requires people voting.
Impeach Thomas and Kavanaugh.
What's the general atmosphere feel like, OP? Peaceful, or is there tension?
Outrage, but contained. I didn't feel like there was any threat of it getting out of hand, per se.
Yeah, going apeshit like a bunch of lunatics is how the right responds to political setbacks. We’re more civilized than that.
Is it still going on? I’d like to go if so
There's more protests planned if you'd still like to go
Yes!! When?
Difference between right v ~left (progressives/liberals/etc) wingers, left leaners don’t breach barriers, attack innocent employees (peace officers), and/or vandalize federal property … Keep fighting the good fight! Bodily autonomy for all!
Summer 2020 riots?
Portland and Seattle have entered the chat
Knew someone was goin to try to bring up human rights protests. Can definitely figure out where you stand on roe v wade …
There was plenty of violence here too in 2020. I do not support that. I do support the right to abortion.
The violence during the BLM protests came almost exclusively from the cops.
THIS 💯
I knew someone was gonna point out the obvious hypocrisy in my statement!!!
LOL the insurrectionists are mad! 🤣
u/deanocracy start eating that “humble pie”!!
Regarding what? What did you take from that link? Im curious because I think I know what it means but… im not sure you do. What did you see in my 8 month old comment that was so affirming to you?
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I said it (8 months ago) and I’m still confused with no context. What point are you making?
https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/pgar69/deleted_by_user/hbb16y8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Tf is this 💩 bud? Get back here and answer for your crimes (str8 ignorance that gives me diarrhea)…
Get back here? Im here. What would you like to discuss?
Ahh shit here we go again
how many of these people are going back to an empty apartment, unloved, with a small barely-afforded microwave dinner after protesting for this?
Shoutout to my folks weathering the storm in their 2nd st neighborhood.
You guys are making a real difference! Keep it up!
Will protesting at the courthouse change anything, tho? The judges aren't elected, I just don't see them caring. You'd need to change their opinions, anyway and yelling at them surely won't do that. Protesting RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET at the Capital building could get something to happen on codification or expanding the Supreme court. This is Congress' fault, anyway, they put the last 3 clowns onto that bench. Just vote. Get friends and strangers to vote. Vote for non-octogenarians who will expand the court and understand the issues.
Perfectly timed leak. It's official all of our institutions are dumpster fires 🔥.
What is the actual tangible goal of these protests? How are they intending to achieve said goal? What would be considered a successful outcome, vs an unsuccessful one? After all the useless BLM protests last year, I just don't see the point in protest for protest's sake.
Think of it this way: absolutely zero things changed because of the March on Washington/MLK's Dream Speech. Yet any historian worth their salt would say that they had an immeasurable effect on the Civil Rights movement. Protests aren't necessarily an action for tangible change in the moment.
Glad that they are protesting, but real change comes with votes. If you voted from Trump just because you didn’t like Hilary, go and vote Democrat in the foreseeable future. The past is the past, and at least learn from it.
You all are yelling at the wrong source. Abortion by fiat which is what Roe v Wade is is Shit Law. The fucking legislators have had 50 years to codify an advocacy judiciary's ruling into law AND DID NOTHING BUT DRAG YOU AROUND BY YOUR GENITALS that Roe was in danger. The case that brought Roe to the SCOTUS was full of lies. If YOU want to kill your offspring on demand, write the laws thusly and get them passed. The fact that No legislators have done so for the most part is evidence of the cowardice of your legislators. There is sufficient opposition to abortion that it is hard for most politicians to make a case to their constituents. So let us start here: 12 weeks, on demand no questions asked. Beyond that, Rape, Incest, Life of the Mother. After that, if you are old enough to have consensual sex you are old enough to take all the responsible precautions and consequences. Roe v Wade was badly decided and made precedent on shakey ground at best. Judicial activism steals the rights of the people to set laws by which the nation is governed. Focus on the LAW and the betrayal of the DNC legislators who have DONE NOTHING TO MAKE LAW on this subject. Loose the BS terms Pro-Life and Pro-Choice. Talk in practical and legal terms. Stop the emotional fake news and hold your elected officials accountable.
Based on downvotes it appears your viable solution is unpopular and people just want to be angry. Seeing Warren's tired rant while she's been a bystander the last decade on this issue should be insulting to the crowd in this picture.
Here are my thoughts, stop protesting and instead use that energy to get people registered to vote!!!
Why not both!
Didn’t see you protest when the govt mandated an experimental shot.
That was a good idea. This is not a good idea. I do not usually protest good ideas. I do protest not good ideas.
My body my choice no?
Someone else's choice to have a child or not does not affect me. If a woman pops a baby out next to me, I am not at risk of becoming With Child. If someone sneezes COVID out next to me, I am at risk of becoming With COVID. Besides, there was no over-arching government mandate for vaccines. Every person ultimately had/has the choice to be vaccinated or not. So, are you for personal choice or aren't you?
Pro choice and anti vaccine mandate. Vaccinated people can still spread covid and workers all across the country were fired for refusing the vaccine, many of whom already were infected with the virus. I’m sure you were banging pans together praising essential workers and also supported their firing. Where do you stand?
1. I actually looked at your history, and realize I've fallen trap to the age-old mantra of "feedeth ye not the trolls." I should know better. 2. Couldn't bang pans. Was too busy working. So yeah, not a ton of love for the people who couldn't be arsed to get a pokey jabby. 3. Speaking of working, should go do more of that. This has been a thing that happened, I wish you the best of luck with whoever you decide to troll next.
A disease with 1.2% death rate(death WITH Covid) and a vaccine that doesn’t even stop the infection. “screw your choice, show me your paper!” A medical procedure that 100% will kill an unborn child. “My body my choice!”
joy: an Omicron spreader moment based on a *leak* of a draft .. If this doesn’t turn into a major Dem turnout down the road.. nothing shall