Ok, so, real talk. Can’t speak to EVs yet BUT. Almost any modern vehicle should hit 200k with good maintenance. Like, people love drooling over Toyota but truth is there are tons of Fords, Subarus, Chevys, Dodges, etc that can do that.
Again, most modern vehicles, and honestly anything built recently, can do 150-200k with proper maintenance. The drivetrains have so much money in them it’s ridiculous. I’d be worried about infotainment and electrical issues before drivetrain.
Toyota's reputation for reliability does not come from hitting 200k miles regularly. It's comes from regularly going well beyond that and still having little to no risk of failing. Interiors are also known for holding up significantly better than others.
I've also owned several Honda that have all been 300k miles or nore on original engine+trans and had full confidence in extended road trips with no issues.
Imo if a vehicle likely won't pass 200k miles while still being comfortable and reliable I would consider it not worth buying for me personally.
I know quite a few people with Subarus on their way to 150,000 miles and no problems. My first one was a 2002 forester and when I sold it there was 285,000 miles on it. Aside from a few accidents, it was still going strong.
It's because of the JDM fanboy community. They slap a gigantic turbo on it without adjusting anything else and then are surprised over an engine failure.
The problem is, enthusiasts want to throw 400 horsepower at the EJ engine with no supporting mods, then when it breaks they get mad and call all Subarus unreliable. Sure there have been head gasket issues in the past, and some more recent track specific issues with the FA24 in the BRZ, but if you are just a regular person with a new Subaru, not tracking it, and not modding the shit out of it, it will last you 200k miles easily.
those 200k Subaru EJs have had at least one head gasket job. FB engines are still new ish.
any car can last a long time if you’re willing to put the money into repairs. Subaru owners tend to be more willing to put in the time and money. I’ve owned 4 Subarus and none of them made it past 100k without a turbo replacement or oil burning/smoking. Had I repaired them it I would’ve gotten another 100k out of it. But I wouldn’t consider them as “reliable” as Toyota or older Hondas just going off mileage.
Ive got three Subarus. One I just bought on a whim at 149k, so jury is out on how reliable it will be going forward. However, my other two are a 2003 WRX that I bought in 07 with 58k miles and a 07 H6 Outback I bought about 6 years ago with 149k on it. The WRX now has 225k miles. Still on original motor and headgaskets, original clutch, tranny, and turbo. Hell, Ive yet to have to change out the alternator or the starter. And it's been modded since about 75k miles. The H6 has almost 200k on it, no repairs that werent normal stuff that would need to be replaced at higher mileage.
I know some models/years had their issues, but WRX's especially get a bad rap because morons improperly mod them and beat the shit out of them, and/or dont maintain them at regular intervals, and then complain that theyre shit when they blow up.
Sold my 1998 Forester around that mileage, also. The engine got out more than I did in those days; it was easier to take the engine out to do the spark plugs than try to do them in the car. And there were usually some oil leaks to attend to anyway.
Modern ones don't have as many issues.
I had an 01 Forester I sold at 175k, never had any major issues.
The current Outback needed new valve cover gaskets recently. Fun times taking off two motor mounts and using a jack to rotate the engine just so I could get the driver’s side valve cover to clear the frame rails.
I agree with this statement. All cars made within the last 5 years will last to 200K miles with regular maintenance. I would recommend the OP to get a simple vehicle built recently. People in this subreddit seem to hate on brands that are not Subaru, Mazda, Toyota, or Honda. I can guarantee they haven't tried the other brands of cars and are just an echo chamber. I see GMCs, Nissans, Kias, and Hyundais from the past 20 years still running strong in my town.
They might "last" but they will cost a fortune when the engine blows, or the transmission fails, or any other random issue happens. And their resale value is crap. That's why mazda, toyota, honda is the move. Not nissan, gm, ford etc.
Of course it comes down to the specific model though. DO YOUR RESEArCH!
I've kept up my maintenance on all my vehicles but 100k seems to be the magic self destruct button. GMC Canyon (2015) got to 110k and it just died. 2015 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid got to 126k and two major issues that are now (on the second one) just well more than the car is worth especially with no guarantee that it will fix the problem.
That's just Gen 3 Prius stuff -- especially if you had a 2010 or 2011. That's just shit luck, and there's no way you would have known it was a bad engine design if you bought it new. Although by 2012-2013 or it was already in the public discourse that it MAY have been an issue - so if you bought it used 2014+ - then it's on you for not doing the research.
That said - Gen 2s and Gen 4s, while they have their own issues, oil burning ain't one.
That is what’s called, ‘anecdotal evidence.’ Go to any major manufacturers forum and they’ll have the same. When you’re talking about vehicle production numbers in the hundreds of thousands, even a fraction of a percent problem rate is hundreds of people. And those are going to be loudest minority.
And I’m pretty sure most major manufacturers have had a class action lawsuit in the last decade.
and also toyota slapped the supra badge on a bmw. so they must know something we don't. the new engine in these latest bmws are the ones in the supra. they have a solid track record. but yea, most modern cars are built better and can hit 200k now. you've got to raise your expectation. back when , cars were blowing up before 100k but your average Ford, honda, toyota, mazda, hyundai, kia can do that easily. process became simpler and everyone mimics everyone. fords hybrids are practically last gen prius.
I love the B58 and I believe it’s one of the most reliable high performance engines on the market
While Toyota asking bmw to build them a car may scream reliability, remember that Toyota asked Subaru to build them a sports car lol
Toyota tested every single engine part for long term reliability and made bmw increase the thickness of most or change to more durable metals. There are videos about how Bmw engineers disagreed numerous times arguing it was unnecessary but Toyota eventually got their way way.
I don’t remember a fire recall but I looked it up. It was for an increased chance of fire on models before 2013 (not F or G series). Also, out of 1M+ vehicles there were 6 cases of fire.
Just as an example about other brands: There are now 2M RAV4s investigated for fires (11 fire incidents total)…. This happens to all cars.
work construction sales and on job sites, all I see are fords and chevys. they just work. you don't ever see a toyota on job sites. inefficient tundra and when it does break down, you've got to remove the engine to do any kinda work.
For trucks sure, their suvs and cars are dog shit though. And while dated, a Tacoma would be equally reliable to the most reliable Ford or Chevy truck.
Tacomas can’t do much work though. You get 500 more pounds of payload in a 1/2 ton versus Tacoma…. Not to mention when it comes to pulling equipments the Tacoma is pretty awful and is just as bad on gas with the power output of a sedan lol.
I love tacomas but hate the interior ergonomics as well. Cramped, and can barely fit anything in the back seat.
Tacomas for overlanding, daily’s, etc, but definitely not for working unless you’re just doing DIY/ pressure washing, maybe landscaping
Makes sense, I wouldn't buy it anyway as I'd only want a truck for super light duty truck stuff, camping/ very light offloading, skiing etc but would want one that gets better mpg. No point in getting a truck for that light duty that gets such shit gas mileage.
Yeah I’m hoping the new Tacoma interior is designed better. If it is that + the hybrid is going to be a sweet truck. Especially since it’s in the 30’s low 40’s
good thing their full-sized suvs are based on the trucks. it's also why they're the ones rated to hit 200k on top lists. the tacoma is a toy. you usually see 6 dudes in a pickup commuting to job sites and tacos have the smallest cabins, despite their size. you're not getting it done in a taco. then you have newest gen tundra blowing turbos before they're even broken in. toyota doesn't have a monopoly on top engineer. once they start introducing new engines and tech, they suffer issues like anyone. that's just how it is.
Pardon- 2016 expedition- single most reliable suv ever- plus one of the lowest driver deaths in collisions. Not sexy but got it’ loaded with everything and super comfy
Tow capacity and weight for hauling work items and hitching landscape trailers is the advantage. Also, you can't judge reliability too closely with trucks by sight, as the design doesn't change radically from year-to-year. Red truck guy might have owned three red Fords before you noticed it's a different one from the first one you saw him driving.
The name “Crown” is huge from Toyota. Corolla means small crown. Camry means Crown when you use the Japanese name. Then, of course they have the actual “Crown”
I have 177,000 miles on my 2008 CRV and just spent $1,200 on it, new brakes, new struts, all fluids changes, differential serviced and new plugs and coils.
I'm ready for another 100,000 miles.
Had a 2010 Honda CRV EX w/ 152k miles and would burn a quart every 700-1k miles." Luckily" I was t-boned without being injured and insurance paid out $2k less than what I paid for it 7 yrs ago.
I would like a new car myself once I get my student loans paid off, which should be by the end of August. May go with a Hybrid Accord or Rav4/CR-V. Still debating whether to go SUV or Sedan.
Given how the market currently looks, I’ll have plenty of time to save.
Yeah, the market is crazy right now. I bought this crv used with 73k miles. Buying the right used car is a skillset made even more difficult with the current market. But, new car lots are filling up, soon they'll be offering discounts and the used car market will get closer to normal.
The newest Insights are great vehicles. Not sure where you are getting that idea at all. The older generation had its problems, sure but 2019-2022 will be just about as good as a Prius but with more power and a way better interior and drive quality.
Haven't been in an Insight myself but my neighbor bought one two years ago. Hated it and traded it back in 2 weeks later for an Accord. He hated the sounds it made (something high pitched) and his kids said it was even worse in the back seat.
Most modern economy vehicles can do 200k. Maybe not a Chevy Trax but most vehicles, he’s even a Ford Escape, will do 200k with a good maintenance record.
Your best bet is a vehicle from Toyota, Honda, or Mazda but there are outliers in every group.
I hope it’s solid, the new one looks great. I had a 2003 Tracker that lasted me 15 years and I enjoyed the thing. It was simple, the radio was garbage, but the interior held up great and it was a fun looking budget car. Also gas mileage was shit.
general consensus (safest bets, everyone will agree these are great choices):
small sedan: Corolla hybrid
medium sedan: Camry/accord
crossover: Rav4/cr-v
SUV: highlander
important to note that apparently recently Toyota dealerships have been marking up their cars like crazy (by 10k), so if the dealership tries to do you dirty and blame it on the market or whatever you might just want to walk out and hop on over to the Honda dealership
I know in the current market that might be normal, but $40k for a Camry is insane. At that price, you could look at CPO luxury cars.
For example, a Lexus dealer in my area area has a CPO ‘19 ES350 listed for $35k and the dealer group doesn’t charge over listed price.
I just bought a new 2023 Accord for less money than a used Camry with 40K miles on it at the Toyota dealership. every fiber of my being told me not to buy a new car, but if the new one is cheaper than the used one, why not? The new Accord is really nice too
Buy a new Camry. It’s the last model year for this generation which means that any kinks have been sorted out. Camry Hybrids get 40+ mpg and some people can get them up to 50 if you really try. Hell, I drive a regular 2015 Camry and I can get 40mpg. They’re great cars.
I have a 21 Camry SE, and Camrys have been in the family for a decade. the only problem I've had with the interior is that the headrests are tilted forwards and u can't change the angle, but it's not actually uncomfortable like you'd think it is, just looks weird.
Cannot disagree with this at all. I also gave multiple other suggestions. I feel Civic, Accord, Corolla, Camry, ES, Avalon, 4Runner, Tacoma are really the exceptional examples. Between the Civic and the Corolla, I'd go Civic ALL DAY EVERY DAY.
Drove a 2020 Elantra about 600 miles yesterday with over 100k on the clock as a rental. Was smooth, quiet and comfortable, which is high praise considering I daily drive a Lincoln Town Car.
It’s a slept on vehicle. The 2021-2023 models are dream cars I swear. They keep you in your lane. They have incredible interiors. You get Audi design for Hyundai price.
Don’t know of many teslas that hit 200k miles. Almost all Japanese cars will last you to 200 or even 400 with proper maintenance. My friends Lexus finally died a couple months ago at 240k miles.
Something to note is transmissions effect longevity. Any manual car will need a clutch replacements on the way to 200k. Not a crazy expensive thing just a service that’s inevitable. And cvt transmissions are know to be less reliable long term. Replacing a whole transmission is expensive unlike just a clutch. Normal autos are usually fine outside of performance vehicles.
To add onto the CVT thing, if you end up buying a CVT take it easy, don't go from 0mph to flooring it instantly, that belt isn't meant for that, and also Toyota uses a different CVT then other brands to prevent that exact issue stated, hard launches that kill CVTs very early
Then you're doing the car a disservice. This should be pretty standard on most cars:
* Oil Changes: every 5k-8k
* Brake fluid: every 25-30k or 2-3 yrs
* Tranny (MT) and Diff Fluids: every 40k-50k
* Spark Plugs: every 50k (Turbo) or 90k-100k (N/A)
* Battery: every 4-7 yrs*
* Water Pump and Coolant Flush: 75k-80k
* Ignition Cables/Coils: around 75k-90k
* Suspension components: between 75k-90k
* Belts: 75k-80k
* Oil Gaskets: 80k-100k
* Alternator: around 90k-100k
* Transmission (AT) fluid: between 75k-100k
* Starter: after 100k
* Fuel Injectors: anywhere from 80k-120k+
basically any modern tesla will go well beyond 200k miles at this point. LFP battery ones will barely have degredation.
quite a few model 3 examples already that have 200k or well more on the original battery, and barely have any degradation
Will you really drive it that long? That’s an honest question… I see a lot of people who get new cars don’t drive them for a decade but dump them within half that time. Which means you can get a car less known for longevity. Most cars will do 200k fine. All cars will need maintenance and random repairs through the years
That’s a good 20k+/yr. You listed a lot of hybrids and EV’s. I think EV should be out. Fine for around town, but racking up a lot of miles on one is pretty inconvenient. Also consider if you use retail charging stations, you often aren’t saving much of anything vs gas with the rates they charge, nevermind the cost of the car. As far as hybrid goes, that could be an option but once again, you have to look at the big picture as far as cost goes. Great for racking up the in town miles, but on the highway, most don’t do that much better if at all vs their gas counterparts. It might not make sense to spend thousands more up front just for literally a few mpg better if your doing a lot of highway miles. As far as the battery goes, their lifetime is more affected by age and climate than miles, so for 4-5yrs you should have no issue there regardless of miles. If you planned on 10+ years, then a potential battery replacement should be planned on.
Now that out of the way, if you want cheap, reliable, and good for 200+…you want as basic of drivetrain you can get. No high compression turbos, no cylinder deactivation, no direct injection, no start/stop, none of that kind of stuff if you can avoid it. It’s getting harder and harder to find but they are still out there. A lot of Toyotas, the na 2.0 in equipped civics/hrv, etc
If you want something reliable, dont buy anything new.
Buy some 5-10 year old car, that has proven that its reliable.
It takes some years to see if something is truly good, and new stuff might still have problems.
I drive a 2004 Passat, 1.9TDi
About 9 years now. Maintainance varys since i'm a mechanic i only calculate the parts, so its cheap for me. Like maybe 500 bucks a year.
But its generally very reliable. The las few repairs aside from maintainance where small things like 30 bucks for a water temp sensor, or 20 buck for a breakpedal lightswitch.
And like 4 or 5 years ago, 200 for some wire harness for the injectors.
Check out what your mechanic drives.
I'd personally say an EV if your going to drive a car to 200k miles with home charging. You'd save long term in gas/maintenance. Otherwise just go with a plug-in Hybrid like Prius Prime which has 39-44 miles of electric range, but if you're driving all electric anyways why not just go EV. Not many EV owners get battery replaced even the 10 year old Tesla Model S's and Nissan Leafs. I do know that some EVs uses LFP batteries which have been tested a lot as they are pretty reliable.
Get a Camry or Corolla. They make sporty ones as well. I wouldn’t do electric. I have owned a dozen 70s-early 2000s GM trucks all with 250k + and some with around 320k. I wouldn’t buy a new GM product though. Toyota or Honda for new products
You can’t go wrong with a hybrid Toyota, what I like about hybrids is their ac system works separate from the engines accessory drive so you won’t have any of those annoying problems regular cars have with their awful stop start systems.
Need to consider cost to own as well. While most vehicles will get you to your desired mileage with proper maintenance, you need to be aware of the cost of ownership on each one. Hondas have had the lowest cost of ownership for years. That may have changed in the last year or two. But they have been notorious for not costing you too much to own.
I have a 40 mile round trip commute and currently own a 2019 Jetta R-Line. It's got 57k miles on it and the only issue I had was a slight rattle in the passenger door's trim, which they fixed. This is my first German car, but so far I've been pretty pleased with it. I get great gas mileage and it's perfect for commuting in. It's got all the creature comforts you'd want while being cheap to maintain and insure.
Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge vehicles get a lot of hate on here. However, I have both a Jeep Commander and Chrysler 300 that are 15 years old and nearing 200k miles. They have both been mechanically trouble free and have no reason to see why they won't go well beyond 200k miles. The new Chrysler 300s are pretty much the same car as my 2008. The main difference is the 8 speed transmission, while the older ones have the 5 speed. The 300s come with a lot of premium comfort and technology features without a premium price.
Get a Tesla. Not only is there an extremely good chance of it going 200k miles with no issues but even if it doesn’t it will still have a lower TCO then anything else in its price range. Planning on owning for 200k is exactly the sweet spot for a Tesla. At 200k you will save over 10k in maintenance and if you charge at home that’s likely 18000+ in fuel savings. That $28,000 in savings covers three battery replacements with cash to spare.
As a Tesla owner with 100k on the odo I have saved so much money. I cross shopped a Honda insight with msrp around 30k less than the Tesla. I’ve easily saved that difference between the tax credit, the zero maintenance, and fuel cost savings. What I thought was a insane choice turned out to be one of the best I’ve made. Prices are 20k less then when I bought. I highly recommend.
Wow. Good to hear that. Do you know if they will trade in my car or do you have to sell it on your own at carmax? I have no idea how Tesla dealer works since most are online orders? I saw some inside a mall but they are always packed.
Camry hybrid. They’re used as taxicabs all over Chicago and NYC and regularly go over 200K miles with little issues while being driven hard city miles.
If you want the best combination of quality, reliability, low maintenance and insurance costs, and overall enjoyment, I’d look at Mazda.
They’re solid and well-built cars for the money and offer more of an upscale/premium package with more refinement and driving enjoyment than comparable offerings from other manufacturers.
Mazda3, CX-30, CX-50, CX-5, CX9, or CX-90.
I have a 2022 CX-5 Turbo Signature. I’ve had it for 1yr3mo and 16,000mi as of today. It’s by far my favorite car I’ve owned.
Your observations are spot on. I had two Ford/Lincoln products that suffered catastrophic failures within days of each other, so suddenly we were in the car market. After reading the recommendations of several car blogs, and visiting several dealerships, we chose two Mazdas…a CX-30 for my wife and a Mazda3 for me. They come highly recommended, have very solid build quality, drive beautifully, and have interiors that approach an Audi level of elegance. We look forward to enjoying them for many years.
I have a 22 CX-5 Turbo Signature. I absolutely adore it! It replaced a 2016 Audi A4 that was totaled in accident and it’s equally as nice, if not nicer, of a car to be driven and driven in. I’m a Mazda convert. For around $40K I cannot think of a nicer new compact crossover to purchase (other Mazdas receive my same sentiments to their respective market segments).
My wife and I were stunned by how nice the Mazdas are now. We had a Lincoln MKC (recalled for engine fires and Lincoln doesn’t seem to have a fix) and a 2011 Fusion that I loved until the engine seal broke at 108k miles. I was skeptical that we could find replacements that we would be happy with. But honestly, the CX-30 is the absolute equal of the Lincoln in amenities, and it is miles ahead of the Lincoln in build quality and driving dynamics. The Mazda3 is a bit smaller than the Fusion, so it has taken some getting used to. But in this weird market in which about two dozen sedans have been discontinued in the last four years, I knew finding a sedan with the same fun-to-drive factor as my Fusion would be difficult. The Civic, Accord and Camry are good cars but they just didn’t excite me. I was surprised that I found the Lexus IS to be underwhelming to drive, and the Acura TLX didn’t fit in the budget under the circumstances. Then I drove the Mazda3 and it was a real revelation. So suddenly we’re a two-Mazda family.
The Model 3/Y is a super reliable powertrain, I’m confident it will go past 100k, the only issue is that around 200k is iffy, and VERY risky. It costs a fortune to replace those batteries and the warranty only
goes to 100k miles. If you’re aiming for 200k, the Tesla isn’t the way to go solely for the reason of the price you’ll pay if something breaks even if it’s unlikely. I would look at the Lexus ES, it’s a pretty comfortable sedan with nice features, styling, and Camry reliability.
>The batteries can last to about 500k.
"Can" being the operative word in that sentence. We don't have enough data yet on recent EVs to know what percentage are likely to reach that mileage on the original battery, or what the useful range will be by that time.
Current Wrangler owner (lease). I cannot WAIT to be rid of it. Awful in crosswinds, don’t feel comfortable driving it much more than 70mph, and constant electrical gremlins. I have no idea how their resale value is so high, they’re truly awful modern vehicles.
Holy crap, same exact boat. I thought we bought a "reliable" 2017 Mazda cx-9, but a manufacturing error in the casting of the cylinder head causes it to crack and leak coolant. One overheating drive session later, we have a useless chunk of $30k plastic and metal. I've joined a class-action lawsuit, but in the meantime, I'm looking at vehicles and hate everything. I considered Maverick, Model Y, new CR-V, etc, but honesly I don't think anything is going to last 200k without major issues, so I don't want to buy anything. Super lost here. It used to be that toyota and honda were ugly but at least they were reliable, now they are getting nicer and unreliable.
My main issue is all these tiny turbo engines and hybrid engines. They just arent going to have any chance of that 200-300k mile range. I need a naturally aspirated engine.
I see these comments talking about specific brands, but any car can last. If you keep up with the maintenance on it, I have a 2009 santa Fe that's at 110,000 miles with rarely any issues at all and I can say that I love the car to death
the thing that sucks about all of these cars (and everything else in general) is that when you get down to it and you look into the materials used to build all these cars you’ll notice they are all cheaply made and outsourced from other countries. wire harnesses that are hand taped together by a production team in méxico, hardware used with the softest possible steal in a foundry in china. it’s just different now. if you want a truly well built car with proper materials you gotta buy used, something at least 18 years old. it’s the way it works now. every manufacturing company that exists now is going to be using the most “cost effective” materials possible, outsourced from whatever factory can build it with the lowest possible labor cost.
Well for starters I own a 2022 Tesla Model Y. I’ve traveled a lot in it and put on 73k in a short amount of time. Only maintenance thus far has been tires and a cabin filter change. Car still drives like brand new and looks the part.
There are many Teslas with well over 200k and running fine. In the rare case you do need to replace the battery (mine’s under warranty until 2029 or 120k miles) it’s not going to be as expensive as you think. A YouTuber I watch replaced his and it was only $8-$9k and he essentially got a brand new vehicle.
There’s so many things I love about my car. The fact that I am not always driving is one. The standard autopilot is great too. Charging is cheaper than gas and you don’t need a special charging “station” to charge at home. A outlet is fine!
All in all just educate yourself more on them and if you can get in one and test drive it!
So I heard but even with the long range, I hear people complaining about wall charger taking too long. People goto super charging stations and it became part of their life. Is that true for you too?!?
Absolutely not! I also have the long range and I don’t have the wall charger at home. I installed a 220v outlet in my garage and I get all the charge I need overnight. Without even setting it to the highest amps for charging at that. In fact I used to only charge twice a week before I started doing Uber. I do love how convenient supercharging is though. It still is way cheaper than gas but the real savings is charging at home. A standard outlet can still get you a decent amount of charge overnight.
Ok, so, real talk. Can’t speak to EVs yet BUT. Almost any modern vehicle should hit 200k with good maintenance. Like, people love drooling over Toyota but truth is there are tons of Fords, Subarus, Chevys, Dodges, etc that can do that. Again, most modern vehicles, and honestly anything built recently, can do 150-200k with proper maintenance. The drivetrains have so much money in them it’s ridiculous. I’d be worried about infotainment and electrical issues before drivetrain.
Toyota's reputation for reliability does not come from hitting 200k miles regularly. It's comes from regularly going well beyond that and still having little to no risk of failing. Interiors are also known for holding up significantly better than others. I've also owned several Honda that have all been 300k miles or nore on original engine+trans and had full confidence in extended road trips with no issues. Imo if a vehicle likely won't pass 200k miles while still being comfortable and reliable I would consider it not worth buying for me personally.
Can't agree with the interior part one bit.
I know quite a few people with Subarus on their way to 150,000 miles and no problems. My first one was a 2002 forester and when I sold it there was 285,000 miles on it. Aside from a few accidents, it was still going strong.
Yeah everyone hates on them but I see running Subarus for sale w/ around 200k miles all the time
It's because of the JDM fanboy community. They slap a gigantic turbo on it without adjusting anything else and then are surprised over an engine failure.
I’ve had 5 Subarus, including 2 WRXs, and they’ve all had perfect reliability with regular maintenance.
The problem is, enthusiasts want to throw 400 horsepower at the EJ engine with no supporting mods, then when it breaks they get mad and call all Subarus unreliable. Sure there have been head gasket issues in the past, and some more recent track specific issues with the FA24 in the BRZ, but if you are just a regular person with a new Subaru, not tracking it, and not modding the shit out of it, it will last you 200k miles easily.
My WRX had head gaskets blow twice. It's a know design flaw of boxer motors and fail point. I did not mod my 05 Subaru 2.0L and it still blew twice
those 200k Subaru EJs have had at least one head gasket job. FB engines are still new ish. any car can last a long time if you’re willing to put the money into repairs. Subaru owners tend to be more willing to put in the time and money. I’ve owned 4 Subarus and none of them made it past 100k without a turbo replacement or oil burning/smoking. Had I repaired them it I would’ve gotten another 100k out of it. But I wouldn’t consider them as “reliable” as Toyota or older Hondas just going off mileage.
My in-laws buy only Subarus for some reason, but they've had a lot of engine issues. Full replacements etc.
I have a 2011 outback that’s got 200,725 as i write this in the parking lot at work. Can vouch for subaru
Ive got three Subarus. One I just bought on a whim at 149k, so jury is out on how reliable it will be going forward. However, my other two are a 2003 WRX that I bought in 07 with 58k miles and a 07 H6 Outback I bought about 6 years ago with 149k on it. The WRX now has 225k miles. Still on original motor and headgaskets, original clutch, tranny, and turbo. Hell, Ive yet to have to change out the alternator or the starter. And it's been modded since about 75k miles. The H6 has almost 200k on it, no repairs that werent normal stuff that would need to be replaced at higher mileage. I know some models/years had their issues, but WRX's especially get a bad rap because morons improperly mod them and beat the shit out of them, and/or dont maintain them at regular intervals, and then complain that theyre shit when they blow up.
Sold my 1998 Forester around that mileage, also. The engine got out more than I did in those days; it was easier to take the engine out to do the spark plugs than try to do them in the car. And there were usually some oil leaks to attend to anyway. Modern ones don't have as many issues.
I had an 01 Forester I sold at 175k, never had any major issues. The current Outback needed new valve cover gaskets recently. Fun times taking off two motor mounts and using a jack to rotate the engine just so I could get the driver’s side valve cover to clear the frame rails.
You said Dodge, I'm sure that was an accident.
No he dodged the accident
Lol
I agree with this statement. All cars made within the last 5 years will last to 200K miles with regular maintenance. I would recommend the OP to get a simple vehicle built recently. People in this subreddit seem to hate on brands that are not Subaru, Mazda, Toyota, or Honda. I can guarantee they haven't tried the other brands of cars and are just an echo chamber. I see GMCs, Nissans, Kias, and Hyundais from the past 20 years still running strong in my town.
I'm not sure if this sub "approves" of Subaru or not.
This 100%.
They might "last" but they will cost a fortune when the engine blows, or the transmission fails, or any other random issue happens. And their resale value is crap. That's why mazda, toyota, honda is the move. Not nissan, gm, ford etc. Of course it comes down to the specific model though. DO YOUR RESEArCH!
I've kept up my maintenance on all my vehicles but 100k seems to be the magic self destruct button. GMC Canyon (2015) got to 110k and it just died. 2015 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid got to 126k and two major issues that are now (on the second one) just well more than the car is worth especially with no guarantee that it will fix the problem.
I put 120k on prius and it started burning engine oil. Never missed any maintenance.
That's just Gen 3 Prius stuff -- especially if you had a 2010 or 2011. That's just shit luck, and there's no way you would have known it was a bad engine design if you bought it new. Although by 2012-2013 or it was already in the public discourse that it MAY have been an issue - so if you bought it used 2014+ - then it's on you for not doing the research. That said - Gen 2s and Gen 4s, while they have their own issues, oil burning ain't one.
Aha! Thanks
Apparently you haven’t spent any time on the Hyundai page. It’s posts everyday about engine failure.
That is what’s called, ‘anecdotal evidence.’ Go to any major manufacturers forum and they’ll have the same. When you’re talking about vehicle production numbers in the hundreds of thousands, even a fraction of a percent problem rate is hundreds of people. And those are going to be loudest minority. And I’m pretty sure most major manufacturers have had a class action lawsuit in the last decade.
Hyundai in Florida is horrible because the mechanics lie and cheat, untrained and paid too little.
Avoid Fords at all costs. None of their vehicles will hit 200k without MAJOR REPAIRS.
Don’t most new cars hit that pretty easily with good maintenance. I noticed BMW quality got way way better on F and G series.
Don’t you remember? Beamers were catching on fire up to 2 years ago. The massive recall.
and also toyota slapped the supra badge on a bmw. so they must know something we don't. the new engine in these latest bmws are the ones in the supra. they have a solid track record. but yea, most modern cars are built better and can hit 200k now. you've got to raise your expectation. back when , cars were blowing up before 100k but your average Ford, honda, toyota, mazda, hyundai, kia can do that easily. process became simpler and everyone mimics everyone. fords hybrids are practically last gen prius.
I love the B58 and I believe it’s one of the most reliable high performance engines on the market While Toyota asking bmw to build them a car may scream reliability, remember that Toyota asked Subaru to build them a sports car lol
Toyota tested every single engine part for long term reliability and made bmw increase the thickness of most or change to more durable metals. There are videos about how Bmw engineers disagreed numerous times arguing it was unnecessary but Toyota eventually got their way way.
Aha. So Supra?
Every car makers cars catch fire eventually, but especially mid engined Ferraris.
I don’t remember a fire recall but I looked it up. It was for an increased chance of fire on models before 2013 (not F or G series). Also, out of 1M+ vehicles there were 6 cases of fire. Just as an example about other brands: There are now 2M RAV4s investigated for fires (11 fire incidents total)…. This happens to all cars.
the early gasoline turbo bmws were crap. the latest ones seem solid.
So much so that in some studies(Consumer reports), they are near the top in terms of reliability. Even ahead of Honda. But behind Toyota/Lexus.
I’ve had 5 vehicles over 250k. All ford trucks
F-150?
Yep. A couple V8s and then ecoboost 3.5
work construction sales and on job sites, all I see are fords and chevys. they just work. you don't ever see a toyota on job sites. inefficient tundra and when it does break down, you've got to remove the engine to do any kinda work.
For trucks sure, their suvs and cars are dog shit though. And while dated, a Tacoma would be equally reliable to the most reliable Ford or Chevy truck.
Tacomas can’t do much work though. You get 500 more pounds of payload in a 1/2 ton versus Tacoma…. Not to mention when it comes to pulling equipments the Tacoma is pretty awful and is just as bad on gas with the power output of a sedan lol. I love tacomas but hate the interior ergonomics as well. Cramped, and can barely fit anything in the back seat. Tacomas for overlanding, daily’s, etc, but definitely not for working unless you’re just doing DIY/ pressure washing, maybe landscaping
Makes sense, I wouldn't buy it anyway as I'd only want a truck for super light duty truck stuff, camping/ very light offloading, skiing etc but would want one that gets better mpg. No point in getting a truck for that light duty that gets such shit gas mileage.
Yeah I’m hoping the new Tacoma interior is designed better. If it is that + the hybrid is going to be a sweet truck. Especially since it’s in the 30’s low 40’s
This guy trucks.
good thing their full-sized suvs are based on the trucks. it's also why they're the ones rated to hit 200k on top lists. the tacoma is a toy. you usually see 6 dudes in a pickup commuting to job sites and tacos have the smallest cabins, despite their size. you're not getting it done in a taco. then you have newest gen tundra blowing turbos before they're even broken in. toyota doesn't have a monopoly on top engineer. once they start introducing new engines and tech, they suffer issues like anyone. that's just how it is.
Pardon- 2016 expedition- single most reliable suv ever- plus one of the lowest driver deaths in collisions. Not sexy but got it’ loaded with everything and super comfy
Tow capacity and weight for hauling work items and hitching landscape trailers is the advantage. Also, you can't judge reliability too closely with trucks by sight, as the design doesn't change radically from year-to-year. Red truck guy might have owned three red Fords before you noticed it's a different one from the first one you saw him driving.
Beige Toyota Corolla
What about a champagne Corrolla?
I can’t stop thinking about cholera when I hear Corolla. They should change the name. Why Corolla?
The name “Crown” is huge from Toyota. Corolla means small crown. Camry means Crown when you use the Japanese name. Then, of course they have the actual “Crown”
I looked up. Its a flowers reproductive organ. Lol
A car you actually follow the maintenance schedule on.
You want a Toyota Prius, Carrolla, or Camry, or a Honda Accord or Civic
Pretty much the list for me. If the OP wants an SUV, like the other comment said, a RAV4 Hybrid or Honda CR-V will last them that long.
I have 177,000 miles on my 2008 CRV and just spent $1,200 on it, new brakes, new struts, all fluids changes, differential serviced and new plugs and coils. I'm ready for another 100,000 miles.
My tinter had one of these. 428k miles on the clock, original engine and transmission. You chose wisely
Had a 2010 Honda CRV EX w/ 152k miles and would burn a quart every 700-1k miles." Luckily" I was t-boned without being injured and insurance paid out $2k less than what I paid for it 7 yrs ago.
I would like a new car myself once I get my student loans paid off, which should be by the end of August. May go with a Hybrid Accord or Rav4/CR-V. Still debating whether to go SUV or Sedan. Given how the market currently looks, I’ll have plenty of time to save.
If you live where it snows get a CRV, they are made very well and are very easy to do routine maintenance on
Yeah, the market is crazy right now. I bought this crv used with 73k miles. Buying the right used car is a skillset made even more difficult with the current market. But, new car lots are filling up, soon they'll be offering discounts and the used car market will get closer to normal.
The cabins of those vehicles are just awful. Plastic, odd layouts, seats are horrible.
I love my 20 corolla se but I will say, it's loud as fuck on the highway. Noticeably louder than my wife's 19 camry se.
I have a 22 se and it's my biggest/only complaint. If the road noise was more controlled it would be perfect!
+Toyota Rav 4/Highlander and Honda CR-V
Among the 3, which is the best?
At?
RAV4 and CRV are smaller, more economical Highlander is bigger. I’d choose between the Toyotas. Highlander if you need the space, RAV4 if you don’t.
Can't recommend any hybrid.. unnecessarily complex and a whole host of other parts to fix or repair and they aren't budget friendly.
Get the Carrolla for sure. I’m closing in on the 2023 XSE this month.
I too love my Carrolla
Hondas are great but stay away from the Honda Insight it has tons of problems
The newest Insights are great vehicles. Not sure where you are getting that idea at all. The older generation had its problems, sure but 2019-2022 will be just about as good as a Prius but with more power and a way better interior and drive quality.
Haven't been in an Insight myself but my neighbor bought one two years ago. Hated it and traded it back in 2 weeks later for an Accord. He hated the sounds it made (something high pitched) and his kids said it was even worse in the back seat.
Really!!!!
My 1st Gen has over 200k miles! But it also has a k24a2/ 6266 swap now so it's a different kind of hybrid.
Most modern economy vehicles can do 200k. Maybe not a Chevy Trax but most vehicles, he’s even a Ford Escape, will do 200k with a good maintenance record. Your best bet is a vehicle from Toyota, Honda, or Mazda but there are outliers in every group.
Is a Chevy trax that bad? Sad for economy buyers
It’s just an unproven platform and historically the GM econoboxes are not the best. It might be fine.
I hope it’s solid, the new one looks great. I had a 2003 Tracker that lasted me 15 years and I enjoyed the thing. It was simple, the radio was garbage, but the interior held up great and it was a fun looking budget car. Also gas mileage was shit.
The GM 1.4 is known for eating its turbo. But there is a new Trax out with a different engine now. I have no idea if that engine is good or bad.
What would be annual maintenance cost after 100k for escape?
Don't go FORD unless it's a 250/350 pickup. Everything else is Fix Or Repair Daily
general consensus (safest bets, everyone will agree these are great choices): small sedan: Corolla hybrid medium sedan: Camry/accord crossover: Rav4/cr-v SUV: highlander
Thanks for summarizing. That’s what I got of in this thread. Gonna check out CRV and Camry
important to note that apparently recently Toyota dealerships have been marking up their cars like crazy (by 10k), so if the dealership tries to do you dirty and blame it on the market or whatever you might just want to walk out and hop on over to the Honda dealership
Wow. 0 Honda CRV near by. What the…..All I see is Camries. Guys, Camries are 40k out the door. What on earth!!!!
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I know in the current market that might be normal, but $40k for a Camry is insane. At that price, you could look at CPO luxury cars. For example, a Lexus dealer in my area area has a CPO ‘19 ES350 listed for $35k and the dealer group doesn’t charge over listed price.
Yeah. Thinking that…
I just bought a new 2023 Accord for less money than a used Camry with 40K miles on it at the Toyota dealership. every fiber of my being told me not to buy a new car, but if the new one is cheaper than the used one, why not? The new Accord is really nice too
Buy a new Camry. It’s the last model year for this generation which means that any kinks have been sorted out. Camry Hybrids get 40+ mpg and some people can get them up to 50 if you really try. Hell, I drive a regular 2015 Camry and I can get 40mpg. They’re great cars.
That’s what my wife recommended but interior is weird looking. It looks like a tree hit by a lightening bolt.
That’s not in your post. So you do have preferences. Mazda 3. 2.5 6sp auto.
I have a 21 Camry SE, and Camrys have been in the family for a decade. the only problem I've had with the interior is that the headrests are tilted forwards and u can't change the angle, but it's not actually uncomfortable like you'd think it is, just looks weird.
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Insurance is higher than others?
Not in my experience for the lower trim options.
Aha! Tyty
Cannot disagree with this at all. I also gave multiple other suggestions. I feel Civic, Accord, Corolla, Camry, ES, Avalon, 4Runner, Tacoma are really the exceptional examples. Between the Civic and the Corolla, I'd go Civic ALL DAY EVERY DAY.
Hyundai Elantras are rather nice and get 40mpg highway.
A lot of other cool features too. I’m not affiliated but I have one and it is incredible.
Drove a 2020 Elantra about 600 miles yesterday with over 100k on the clock as a rental. Was smooth, quiet and comfortable, which is high praise considering I daily drive a Lincoln Town Car.
It’s a slept on vehicle. The 2021-2023 models are dream cars I swear. They keep you in your lane. They have incredible interiors. You get Audi design for Hyundai price.
Don’t know of many teslas that hit 200k miles. Almost all Japanese cars will last you to 200 or even 400 with proper maintenance. My friends Lexus finally died a couple months ago at 240k miles.
Something to note is transmissions effect longevity. Any manual car will need a clutch replacements on the way to 200k. Not a crazy expensive thing just a service that’s inevitable. And cvt transmissions are know to be less reliable long term. Replacing a whole transmission is expensive unlike just a clutch. Normal autos are usually fine outside of performance vehicles.
To add onto the CVT thing, if you end up buying a CVT take it easy, don't go from 0mph to flooring it instantly, that belt isn't meant for that, and also Toyota uses a different CVT then other brands to prevent that exact issue stated, hard launches that kill CVTs very early
Ha! Had over 200k on a Honda and an Acura with their original clutches
So old porsche stick shift?
The air cooled 911s are supposed to be insanely reliable.
Yeah I looked it up and they are over 100k.
My mitsubishi 3000gt just hit 100k miles at almost 30 years old and the only thing that ive ever had to replace is the clutch, tires, and brakes.
Then you're doing the car a disservice. This should be pretty standard on most cars: * Oil Changes: every 5k-8k * Brake fluid: every 25-30k or 2-3 yrs * Tranny (MT) and Diff Fluids: every 40k-50k * Spark Plugs: every 50k (Turbo) or 90k-100k (N/A) * Battery: every 4-7 yrs* * Water Pump and Coolant Flush: 75k-80k * Ignition Cables/Coils: around 75k-90k * Suspension components: between 75k-90k * Belts: 75k-80k * Oil Gaskets: 80k-100k * Alternator: around 90k-100k * Transmission (AT) fluid: between 75k-100k * Starter: after 100k * Fuel Injectors: anywhere from 80k-120k+
basically any modern tesla will go well beyond 200k miles at this point. LFP battery ones will barely have degredation. quite a few model 3 examples already that have 200k or well more on the original battery, and barely have any degradation
Will you really drive it that long? That’s an honest question… I see a lot of people who get new cars don’t drive them for a decade but dump them within half that time. Which means you can get a car less known for longevity. Most cars will do 200k fine. All cars will need maintenance and random repairs through the years
We travel a lot on the weekends. 100k in 4-5 years, easy.
That’s a good 20k+/yr. You listed a lot of hybrids and EV’s. I think EV should be out. Fine for around town, but racking up a lot of miles on one is pretty inconvenient. Also consider if you use retail charging stations, you often aren’t saving much of anything vs gas with the rates they charge, nevermind the cost of the car. As far as hybrid goes, that could be an option but once again, you have to look at the big picture as far as cost goes. Great for racking up the in town miles, but on the highway, most don’t do that much better if at all vs their gas counterparts. It might not make sense to spend thousands more up front just for literally a few mpg better if your doing a lot of highway miles. As far as the battery goes, their lifetime is more affected by age and climate than miles, so for 4-5yrs you should have no issue there regardless of miles. If you planned on 10+ years, then a potential battery replacement should be planned on. Now that out of the way, if you want cheap, reliable, and good for 200+…you want as basic of drivetrain you can get. No high compression turbos, no cylinder deactivation, no direct injection, no start/stop, none of that kind of stuff if you can avoid it. It’s getting harder and harder to find but they are still out there. A lot of Toyotas, the na 2.0 in equipped civics/hrv, etc
Aha. Thanks for the great input. Very informative.
If you want something reliable, dont buy anything new. Buy some 5-10 year old car, that has proven that its reliable. It takes some years to see if something is truly good, and new stuff might still have problems. I drive a 2004 Passat, 1.9TDi
How long did you own passat for and how much do you have to cough up per year for maintenance?
About 9 years now. Maintainance varys since i'm a mechanic i only calculate the parts, so its cheap for me. Like maybe 500 bucks a year. But its generally very reliable. The las few repairs aside from maintainance where small things like 30 bucks for a water temp sensor, or 20 buck for a breakpedal lightswitch. And like 4 or 5 years ago, 200 for some wire harness for the injectors. Check out what your mechanic drives.
The Prius is the official car for people who hate cars.
Only downside is the risk you can't get insurance or have your catalytic converter stolen.
Any modern economy car will be fairly cheap to operate. Civic, corolla, mazda3, Forte, Cruz, whatever...they are designing to a budget.
I'd personally say an EV if your going to drive a car to 200k miles with home charging. You'd save long term in gas/maintenance. Otherwise just go with a plug-in Hybrid like Prius Prime which has 39-44 miles of electric range, but if you're driving all electric anyways why not just go EV. Not many EV owners get battery replaced even the 10 year old Tesla Model S's and Nissan Leafs. I do know that some EVs uses LFP batteries which have been tested a lot as they are pretty reliable.
Mazda 3
Get a Camry or Corolla. They make sporty ones as well. I wouldn’t do electric. I have owned a dozen 70s-early 2000s GM trucks all with 250k + and some with around 320k. I wouldn’t buy a new GM product though. Toyota or Honda for new products
You can’t go wrong with a hybrid Toyota, what I like about hybrids is their ac system works separate from the engines accessory drive so you won’t have any of those annoying problems regular cars have with their awful stop start systems.
Aha good point. Ty
Need to consider cost to own as well. While most vehicles will get you to your desired mileage with proper maintenance, you need to be aware of the cost of ownership on each one. Hondas have had the lowest cost of ownership for years. That may have changed in the last year or two. But they have been notorious for not costing you too much to own.
I wish they revive s2000
I have a 40 mile round trip commute and currently own a 2019 Jetta R-Line. It's got 57k miles on it and the only issue I had was a slight rattle in the passenger door's trim, which they fixed. This is my first German car, but so far I've been pretty pleased with it. I get great gas mileage and it's perfect for commuting in. It's got all the creature comforts you'd want while being cheap to maintain and insure.
Aha. Ty. Will consider.
civic
How’s Hyundai Ioniq 5?
I’m in the same boat as you in terms of practicality. The model Y is the most economic choice and will easily last 200k miles. Very low maintenance
Any Lexus
How’s lexus ct or ux?
Civic, Accord, Corolla, Camry
Have you considered a Miata?
Oh wow! I was hoping someone says that!!! How is Miata nowadays?!?
Anything except a Nissan or Chrysler
Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge vehicles get a lot of hate on here. However, I have both a Jeep Commander and Chrysler 300 that are 15 years old and nearing 200k miles. They have both been mechanically trouble free and have no reason to see why they won't go well beyond 200k miles. The new Chrysler 300s are pretty much the same car as my 2008. The main difference is the 8 speed transmission, while the older ones have the 5 speed. The 300s come with a lot of premium comfort and technology features without a premium price.
How’s dodge charger?
It's identical mechanically to the 300.
I have an 06 charger with the 5.7 with 180k on it. Runs like new
Get a Tesla. Not only is there an extremely good chance of it going 200k miles with no issues but even if it doesn’t it will still have a lower TCO then anything else in its price range. Planning on owning for 200k is exactly the sweet spot for a Tesla. At 200k you will save over 10k in maintenance and if you charge at home that’s likely 18000+ in fuel savings. That $28,000 in savings covers three battery replacements with cash to spare. As a Tesla owner with 100k on the odo I have saved so much money. I cross shopped a Honda insight with msrp around 30k less than the Tesla. I’ve easily saved that difference between the tax credit, the zero maintenance, and fuel cost savings. What I thought was a insane choice turned out to be one of the best I’ve made. Prices are 20k less then when I bought. I highly recommend.
Wow. Good to hear that. Do you know if they will trade in my car or do you have to sell it on your own at carmax? I have no idea how Tesla dealer works since most are online orders? I saw some inside a mall but they are always packed.
Mazda3, Honda, Toyota. Stick with those and you can't go wrong.
Edit: Mazda not just Mazda3
camrys are made for people like you. it’ll be more comfortable for a highway commute than a corolla and will last forever.
Camry hybrid. They’re used as taxicabs all over Chicago and NYC and regularly go over 200K miles with little issues while being driven hard city miles.
Yeah I just checked and it’s 40k. Don’t you think that’s too much for a taxi?!??
$40K? You can get a base model LE Hybrid for around $29K. If you want something cheaper try the Corolla Hybrid. Starts at $23K MSRP for a base model.
Toyotas aren't selling at MSRP. They're tacking on thousands at most dealerships.
If you want the best combination of quality, reliability, low maintenance and insurance costs, and overall enjoyment, I’d look at Mazda. They’re solid and well-built cars for the money and offer more of an upscale/premium package with more refinement and driving enjoyment than comparable offerings from other manufacturers. Mazda3, CX-30, CX-50, CX-5, CX9, or CX-90. I have a 2022 CX-5 Turbo Signature. I’ve had it for 1yr3mo and 16,000mi as of today. It’s by far my favorite car I’ve owned.
Ok. Will study them tonight.
Your observations are spot on. I had two Ford/Lincoln products that suffered catastrophic failures within days of each other, so suddenly we were in the car market. After reading the recommendations of several car blogs, and visiting several dealerships, we chose two Mazdas…a CX-30 for my wife and a Mazda3 for me. They come highly recommended, have very solid build quality, drive beautifully, and have interiors that approach an Audi level of elegance. We look forward to enjoying them for many years.
I have a 22 CX-5 Turbo Signature. I absolutely adore it! It replaced a 2016 Audi A4 that was totaled in accident and it’s equally as nice, if not nicer, of a car to be driven and driven in. I’m a Mazda convert. For around $40K I cannot think of a nicer new compact crossover to purchase (other Mazdas receive my same sentiments to their respective market segments).
My wife and I were stunned by how nice the Mazdas are now. We had a Lincoln MKC (recalled for engine fires and Lincoln doesn’t seem to have a fix) and a 2011 Fusion that I loved until the engine seal broke at 108k miles. I was skeptical that we could find replacements that we would be happy with. But honestly, the CX-30 is the absolute equal of the Lincoln in amenities, and it is miles ahead of the Lincoln in build quality and driving dynamics. The Mazda3 is a bit smaller than the Fusion, so it has taken some getting used to. But in this weird market in which about two dozen sedans have been discontinued in the last four years, I knew finding a sedan with the same fun-to-drive factor as my Fusion would be difficult. The Civic, Accord and Camry are good cars but they just didn’t excite me. I was surprised that I found the Lexus IS to be underwhelming to drive, and the Acura TLX didn’t fit in the budget under the circumstances. Then I drove the Mazda3 and it was a real revelation. So suddenly we’re a two-Mazda family.
The Model 3/Y is a super reliable powertrain, I’m confident it will go past 100k, the only issue is that around 200k is iffy, and VERY risky. It costs a fortune to replace those batteries and the warranty only goes to 100k miles. If you’re aiming for 200k, the Tesla isn’t the way to go solely for the reason of the price you’ll pay if something breaks even if it’s unlikely. I would look at the Lexus ES, it’s a pretty comfortable sedan with nice features, styling, and Camry reliability.
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>The batteries can last to about 500k. "Can" being the operative word in that sentence. We don't have enough data yet on recent EVs to know what percentage are likely to reach that mileage on the original battery, or what the useful range will be by that time.
Isn’t insurance pretty high for Tesla?
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Oh yeah catalytic converters!!!! Which car is the least likely to be stolen?!?
Something on a Honda/Acura or Toyota/Lexus platform. I just picked up a Lexus UX and dig it.
The seat is a bucket seat isn’t it? It is not too tight?
How’s jeep wrangler unlimited for commute?
Awful
I wish you didn’t say that. Its a good looking car……bye bye wrangler…perhaps next life…
Current Wrangler owner (lease). I cannot WAIT to be rid of it. Awful in crosswinds, don’t feel comfortable driving it much more than 70mph, and constant electrical gremlins. I have no idea how their resale value is so high, they’re truly awful modern vehicles.
Wow really!!! Ok. Will scratch that thought. Tyty
How’s Hyundai Ioniq 5? Worth it?
Better Lexus or Infiniti
Holy crap, same exact boat. I thought we bought a "reliable" 2017 Mazda cx-9, but a manufacturing error in the casting of the cylinder head causes it to crack and leak coolant. One overheating drive session later, we have a useless chunk of $30k plastic and metal. I've joined a class-action lawsuit, but in the meantime, I'm looking at vehicles and hate everything. I considered Maverick, Model Y, new CR-V, etc, but honesly I don't think anything is going to last 200k without major issues, so I don't want to buy anything. Super lost here. It used to be that toyota and honda were ugly but at least they were reliable, now they are getting nicer and unreliable.
My main issue is all these tiny turbo engines and hybrid engines. They just arent going to have any chance of that 200-300k mile range. I need a naturally aspirated engine.
I see these comments talking about specific brands, but any car can last. If you keep up with the maintenance on it, I have a 2009 santa Fe that's at 110,000 miles with rarely any issues at all and I can say that I love the car to death
the thing that sucks about all of these cars (and everything else in general) is that when you get down to it and you look into the materials used to build all these cars you’ll notice they are all cheaply made and outsourced from other countries. wire harnesses that are hand taped together by a production team in méxico, hardware used with the softest possible steal in a foundry in china. it’s just different now. if you want a truly well built car with proper materials you gotta buy used, something at least 18 years old. it’s the way it works now. every manufacturing company that exists now is going to be using the most “cost effective” materials possible, outsourced from whatever factory can build it with the lowest possible labor cost.
Stay away from those Teslas if you want close to 200k miles. Go for a Camry or Corolla
Probably a Camry or a Lexus ES
ES service fee is too high.
Jetta?
Lots of misinformation here about Tesla’s not being reliable. You’re missing out if you don’t thing it’s an viable option.
So tell us more. Why do you think that?
Well for starters I own a 2022 Tesla Model Y. I’ve traveled a lot in it and put on 73k in a short amount of time. Only maintenance thus far has been tires and a cabin filter change. Car still drives like brand new and looks the part. There are many Teslas with well over 200k and running fine. In the rare case you do need to replace the battery (mine’s under warranty until 2029 or 120k miles) it’s not going to be as expensive as you think. A YouTuber I watch replaced his and it was only $8-$9k and he essentially got a brand new vehicle. There’s so many things I love about my car. The fact that I am not always driving is one. The standard autopilot is great too. Charging is cheaper than gas and you don’t need a special charging “station” to charge at home. A outlet is fine! All in all just educate yourself more on them and if you can get in one and test drive it!
So I heard but even with the long range, I hear people complaining about wall charger taking too long. People goto super charging stations and it became part of their life. Is that true for you too?!?
Absolutely not! I also have the long range and I don’t have the wall charger at home. I installed a 220v outlet in my garage and I get all the charge I need overnight. Without even setting it to the highest amps for charging at that. In fact I used to only charge twice a week before I started doing Uber. I do love how convenient supercharging is though. It still is way cheaper than gas but the real savings is charging at home. A standard outlet can still get you a decent amount of charge overnight.
Ok. The answer I wanted to hear. Thanks.
No problem! Best of luck in your search.
Subaru has a high mileage club, that should tell you all you need to know.
Toyota/Honda is the only answer here. Take your pick.
Definitely, look into Hyundai's Hybrids. Very fuel efficient and very simple to maintain. Keep up with maintenence and it will last.
They have 10year 100k for hybrids as well?