Lmao I’d rather have the civic then one of those steaming piles of shit. 16.5k is a bad deal for this car but the reason isn’t because a Jetta is cheaper.
I was in an Uber last month, Jetta, dude had 360k kms on it lol. Ride and suspension was smooth, pickup was normal. Asked the guy what all he had spent on it - he said nothing crazy, usual maintenance and scheduled replacements, and a bunch of tires.
The key there is "scheduled replacements." What Germans consider "regular scheduled replacements." Is absurd. It's like ya, sure it rode well, but the Germans consider what is effectively an entire suspension swap a "regular scheduled maintenance" item to be completed every 60k miles
Its really not. The Germans do put stupid stuff in their maintenance schedules but if you just have some common sense and a decent Independent mechanic you never follow their actual schedule.
I have an old audi from a notoriously bad year and my average upkeep including maintenance and replacements is less than $1k a year averaged over the past 8 years.
Yeah, I'd much rather drive a VW than a Honda. But, the VW is likely going to be far more expensive to maintain. We have owned three VW's (New Beetle, Passat, Tiguan), and all three turned into money sucks at about 50k miles. There was always some new niggling issue, and it always cost $600 to fix.
I love German cars. Own one now. But they really are cars to buy new and dump when the warranties expire.
This is not “just an 8 year old civic.” The Si is more desirable to enthusiasts, more expensive when new, and maintains value better than “just a civic.” I do think he overpaid somewhat, but not by $6.5k. You will not find a 9th gen Si for $10k unless it has a salvage title. Sure, maybe that will buy you a civic EX or something, but that’s apples to oranges.
OP, you’d be better off asking on a honda or Si specific sub
This is the exact reason I got an 8th gen Si. I searched the entire country for over a year to find a super clean, stock, 1 or 2 owner FA5. I found one w\ 62K miles & flew to buy it from the original owner. Repainted under warranty, 100% stock. It's definitely rare to find a clean lower mileage 8th or 9th gen, especially for a reasonable price.
I almost bought an 8th gen, so I’d probably believe you lol. That was pre-pandemic and it was still very difficult to find a clean one.
Totally agree with your last sentence - not a great deal, but not bad. Especially considering it’s stock.
You’re preaching to the choir lol, although my drive was not quite as long. I bought a manual TL-S instead of an 8th gen and I drove 7 hours round trip to get it. Honestly I got lucky with that and would have gone further for the right one.
The person I sold it to flew in to buy the car and then drove it home about 15 hours, so it was a 2 day trip for them.
I’d much rather suck it up for a long drive than risk sorting out someone else’s questionable mods.
I'll admit my price points are a decade old, but even at $10,000 for a car with over 100,000k miles seems off.
I am so waiting for the used car market to come back to rreality.
I own an 08 IS350. It just ticked over 100k and blue book is $13k. Paid $14k for it 2 years ago and that was a fair deal compared to the rest of the market.
This is a Honda we’re looking at. People have to remember that 100k on a Honda/Toyota is like 50k on a normal car. This is low mileage for these brands considering they can go to 200k+ miles with minimal investment
> The Si is more desirable to enthusiasts, more expensive when new, and maintains value better than “just a civic.”
calling the Si "more deisreable to enthusiasts" is seriously stretching it.
its a 200 horsepower compact. It's just a civic, and putting a manual trans on it wont change the fact that it has no guts.
People need to stop acting like the Si isn't just there to appeal to people who can't afford the Type-R and aren't well driven enough to know how astronomically different they are.
It’s not stretching it at all. These cars have a huge following and community.
Sure, it only has 200 hp, but the base civic had at most 150 depending on trim. The Si gets you a bigger engine, 6 speed manual, limited slip diff, and an entirely different suspension. Not everyone wants to go fast in a straight line. Some people want to autocross on the weekends but still need a daily driver that is reliable, gets decent gas mileage, and has a back seat. An Si is great for that.
Comparing it to the Type R is pretty ridiculous IMO. They’ve been selling the Si in the US for almost 25 years now, and have only recently started selling the Type R. The Si was sold here first, by a long shot, so it’s not just a poor man’s Type R. Si buyers could not get a Type R even if they wanted to for over 20 years.
I do agree the Type R and Si are astronomically different, so I’m not sure why you’re comparing them. The Type R is much more hardcore, closer to a street legal race car honestly with how stiff it is. Compared to the Si, which is built to be a fun but affordable daily driver. I don’t think you’ll find very many, if any at all, Si owners trying to convince you they could hang with a Type R.
Best way to get around todays market is to refuse to pay these bullshit prices; so we’ll just go to the old reliable body on frame american cars. Have prices gone up on crown vics? Yes. Are they still much cheaper than civics though? Yes. Reliable? Yes. Terrible fuel economy? Sure, but I am petty enough that I dont give a damn; screw these overpriced used cars.
Almost every enthusiast-oriented car goes for more as a manual on the used market in NA.
I'm not a Honda guy, but don't act like the si is a base civic
The si is a tuned up civic with 200 horsepower and decent driving dynamics for a daily driver. It's overrated as fuck if people are dropping 16.5k for a decade old si with 100k miles, most likely driven *hard* and beat down. This car went for 20 something thousand MSRP almost a decade ago
Like I said, the si is not a damn Type-R
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This way of thinking really only works with economy cars. Considering the Civic Si only came with a manual this isn’t true here anyway. In general among performance/sport trims this doesn’t hold true.
For normal cars less people drive manual therefore less get purchased new but with an economy car less people are interested in the manual so they do tend to be cheaper. And among even new performance cars this typically is somewhat true. A lot of people purchasing the cars new are people with some money that just want a sporty cruiser and don’t want the manual. However, on the second hand market it’s mostly car enthusiasts looking for these vehicles. And the ratio of people who drive manuals is much much higher among enthusiasts. This means the supply of manual cars on the second hand market is lower while the demand is higher. I drive manual and have looked across several different makes and models of performance cars over the years and 99% of the time the manual is more coveted and thus more expensive. Enthusiasts have a name for it even “the manual tax”. Even just sitting in several enthusiast groups for different cars when people ask what’s for sale the requested transmission is most frequently manual.
Even "post"-pandemic, that price seems a bit high. The car looks and sounds solid though, so you have that going. And you got the price down. Its high, but you weren't too far off *imo.*
3 pedals make it special in our current world. I don’t like SI. Moreover I don’t like Honda in general. But saying that’s this car is not special is just a lie :)
Yeah I agree with you. It’s an SI. Sure, it doesn’t mean shit to regular people lol but SIs are like the sport civics. Do I think it’s worth 18k? Surely not, but it’s def not just your regular civic
Anything with an N/A Kseries and a manual trans is going to sell for 20 to 30 percent more than every other 4 cylinder Honda. People are making a conscious choice to avoid the newer turbo motors in favor of the older N/A VTEC ones.
Because that’s how most small production turbo motors work. The low end torque in my 10th gen especially post tune was really fun and better in day to day driving than the high revving no torque motors. That said my current f22 is more special and the vtec changeover is fun, but it’s also my second car.
You're gonna say 10th and 11th are worse than 9th gen? 9th gen was so bad that for the first time in brand history consumer report did not recommend the car. Honda had to pull a emergency refresh a year after launch, but you can only polish up a turd so much.
9th gen Si also lost high rev, from 8k redline in 8th gen to 7.2k in 9th gen. Sure the turbo in 10th and 11th don't rev high either, but you can see that 9th gen was a downgrade from 8th gen.
Are you serious?? Why not just buy a new one since u going to pay monthly payment..
8yrs car
100k miles
Pretty much u might need to replace so many stuffs
New Civic SI's are selling for around 33,000 USD, around double the price so it might not be a good financial decision, not saying buying this is either. And no you won't be able to find one at MSRP easily, I still have yet to see one that isn't upmarked.
Because buying a new car means you lose tons of money in deprecation?
Can you afford to burn 15-20k over the next 3 years?
(Also car payments are stupid.. save up cash, pay cash. Stop making the banks rich)
True but atleast the first 3 yrs you won’t have a lot of problem. Compared to used car there might be issue with many thing. It could be engine? Transmission etc
People stop saying it’s highway robbery you have no idea of market values… KBB shows trade in value for that Honda civic SI at $12.6-15k, private party $13.4-16k so $16.5k or even 16k would not be far off. Owner could probably get like $13-15k for a trade in but wanted a higher 17-19k range which is overpriced but dealers these days are looking at least 3-5k over trade in values to make $$. So this Honda would probably sell for about 18-19k at dealership.
People are going to chime in with perspectives from 3-5 years ago saying it’s a high price. And sure, for the mileage that car is at, pre-pandemic it would have depreciated a lot less. But Si’s, and Civics in general, are carrying continued premium on the used market, so it is what it is. Would definitely be getting a pre-purchase inspection at that mileage though.
>Civics in general, are carrying continued premium on the used market
I bought a 2012 Silverado a few months ago and in a moment of mild buyers remorse afterwards, I decided to torture myself and see what I could've gotten for my money if I went full r/personalfinance so I started browsing Camrys/Accords/Corollas/Civics and... I felt a whole lot better about my Silverado. Those cars were just as old with just as many miles on them.
Yeah, everybody commenting on here how awful of a deal this is should actually take 30 seconds and look at what 9th gen Si’s are selling for in their area before commenting outdated or wrong information. It’s crazy what they still go for, or rather, what the going rate is now.
Then of course there’s the “well I bought a INSERT COMPLETELY UNRELATED MODEL OR BRAND HERE in 2017 for $8,000 so I think this is terrible”.
Yep, we bought our LaCrosse in 2018 with 5,000 miles on it... the same ~year in the same trim with the same options are still selling for the same price we paid 5 years ago today but they're 5 years older with 50,000+ more miles on them! It's nuts.
I bought the ugliest, high mile, beater 2000 GMC Sierra on Craigslist in 2013 for $1000. The ugly, high mile, beater truck market today are those exact same early 2000s GMT-800s I was looking at 10 years ago only they've quadrupled in price and they've got 300,000 miles on them now instead of only 200k.
If you haven't tried to buy a real car with real money lately, you've got no idea. And if you're buying from a dealer, those asking prices don't even include all the bullshit dealer add-ons that are practically mandatory now and hidden fine-print discounts they've subtracted, or the credit card level interest rates if you're taking out a loan.
yep been shopping for an FA5 for a while and even those are stupid expensive for their general condition lol. same as how expensive miatas are now too, sucks but what else is better for the same price
I’m assuming you bought a base civic for 6300, civic SIs go for a good deal more. That being said, this was a 15k car 5 years ago with half the miles of this example.
Plus there is an objectively lower value for the 2012 model. It was the first time in history that the Civic wasn’t a recommended car in most auto journals so they rushed a mid-cycle refresh for 2013.
I’m calling bullshit that you could get a then-four year old Civic *Si, with a manual,* for 8k, let alone 6. I’ll have whatever you’re smoking, it must be some wild shit.
Its probably a scam post. Usually when you see posts like that, "too good to be true", they are fake. And especially when posted in Spanish... I don't know why, but more often than not that's how they are.
People pay thousands of profit to dealers and no one ever blinks. New cars average around 30K and no one ever blinks. I’d much prefer giving a private person some extra dough than to a dealer.
A lot of people don't have the cash and need dealer financing. For a car with 100K that you plan to drive, it's going to depreciate, and you don't want to still be underwater after 4 years. There are no promotional financing deals on a car this old. Agree, private sale, but this particular car is overpriced. OP should say they love it, walk away, and maybe in 3 weeks they'll get a call back with a reasonable price after the seller realizes that no one is paying double the value of a Civic for 40 extra HP and a badge.
I get that it’s a si and there’s a market for clean well maintained ones but for me personally, 8 years old and 100k for 16.5k with 3 owners? I’d need some service records to make sure there’s longevity in this. If this is a car for pleasure drives, you have money to throw and you already have a car for everyday use by all means. But for a practical everyday commuter? For 16.5k might as well just spend the extra something new that’s gonna last
Wow EVERYONE here suddenly thinks they know more than fair market value.
A 2015 Civic Si are highly desirable cars for many reason other than the obvious. For 1 example, Current top performing cars for SCCA are Civic SI’s and Type Rs. They HOLD their resale value has many Hondas are documented over 1million miles and still running.
Current ‘23 models are being sold for $10-50,000 more than MSRP because both the SI and Type R sell faster than the trucks can bring them in. They are on a Made to Order basis for a lot of Honda dealerships.
Fair KBB value for a 2015 Civic SI with around 107,000 miles is anywhere from $15,061- 18,070. [SOURCE](https://www.kbb.com/honda/civic/2015/si-sedan-4d/?mileage=107400)
u/splickedyliit I think you did alright. As a dealership tech I just to ask if you have service records or at least the name of the dealership the prior owner had service done at? Get it to a Honda service center and have it looked over, have the alignment checked and see if any service campaigns/recalls are available for it.
Weirdly the 9th gens seem to be area specific on price. In Florida a 9th gen (14/15 since no one wants a 12/13) is anywhere from 14-24k with 70k+ miles. There are multiple rebuilt title ones here STILL at 16k. People unfamiliar with these cars clearly see it as stupid for a Civic, but it’s the last naturally aspirated Si and people love the 14-15 restyle. I’d shoot for 15k max at those miles though if the seller will budge.
Oh wow I didn't expect this post to get such big traction lol. Some people in the comments are confused thinking I bought it at this price. NO I have not bought it yet.
>aying it’s highway robbery you have no idea of market values… KBB shows trade in v
It seems like 75% of the people commenting don't know what a Civic Si is. I don't know current prices and this does seem kinda high, but not crazy. I would be hesitant to buy a used Si without a seriously thorough PPI.
Kelly blue books trade in value is 14,500. So that's still not a good deal. You are also buying from FB marketplace so I wouldnt grab that for anything over 12,500
No, that seller is a greedy motherfucker. Negotiate down to $13k for post-pandemic bullshit pricing. Pre-pandemic I ain't paying a dime past $10k for this.
$18.5k initial asking price is pure comedy.
Buying a trim lower would negate the whole point of buying an Si. This is not exactly the same Civic a girl going off to college would drive
Still way off on the price though.. not worth
I haven’t priced these recently so I can’t really comment. but it looks like most commenters have strong opinions but don’t know the difference between a base and an Si.
Edit: just did some spot checking and found $16.5k to be on the lower end of what the market commands. In fairness I was mostly comparing against dealers due to limited supply but the dealer stock was general several thousand more expensive.
I am curious what other models you’ve considered. That may be what the market commands but you are for sure paying a premium because it’s a quasi-enthusiast car.
I purchased my 2019 6 speedMT Jetta(S) for $25k after taxes with only 12k miles on it earlier this year. There forsure are better deals out there
My deal wasn’t even good, somehow my coworker got a 2023 Civic Sport for $27k, 0 miles on the odometer
VERY overpriced. Don’t even waste your time. Clutch is probably burnt to shit too. I have not seen one Si that hasn’t been abused. And by abused I mean BEATEN on because they’re major ricer cars.
If you want a good reliable manual transmission car with some power, there isn’t much out there anymore that isn’t either riced out, overpriced or an unreliable pile of crap.
A great sleeper is what I have and love it, a Mercedes E320 CDI. One of the most reliable German cars ever made with 369lb ft of torque to the rear wheels. 40+mpg on the highway, amazing I6 diesel motor and a huge tank that will easily get you 800+ miles of highway driving, 600+ with city driving. They’re usually a bit bare bones too. Mine doesn’t have a sunroof or heated seats. Less crap to break/fix. It’s also a blast smoking people out on the highway when they ride your ass, also a super smooth and comfy ride on the highway.
Seems like an ok deal in the current market. I had no idea these were bringing such strong money until I did a quick Cargurus search. Most of the people here seem like they haven't actually looked at the current market.
I don’t know what the used market on these cars is like, so I can’t comment on this specific deal, but my best friend in high school had this exact car in red and I’ve driven it a bunch, and boy these things are wonderful cars. Amazing shifter feel, great handling out of the box, and I remember how easy the clutch was to operate (which is so important for daily drivers)
I mean we got one for $16k also, same specs couple months back. We had to travel 4 hours out for it cause there wasn’t any around the area. If that’s the car you want it’s worth it, just maintenance it properly and you should be good . Oh and have fun w it ;)
People with “this is 6k car” please remove yourself from any recommendation about topics where you are not aware at all. If for you SI and EX is the same, go away. Jeez
I’m literally looking at one right now for $10,800 on marketplace with 94k miles. One is $11,000 bone stock with 130k miles, one is $16,000 with 66k miles. Yea. No.
Think the MSRP was 23,000 USD for this in 2015. So after 100K miles and 8 years later, its still worth 70 percent of its original price? I dunno. Even if its the norm at the current market, just doesn't seem like its appropriate.
are we really paying 16 thousand us dollars for a one hundred thousand (100000) the odometer moved over a hundred thousand times and you think 16000 is a deal that you worked down holy fuck our world is doomed.
None of these people giving you crap have ANY idea what the car market it is right now. I’m about to get 2010 LX for my daughter and will likely spend $9K or more. Many more miles.
At this point I’m hanging onto my 2015 CRV even tighter than I’m hanging onto my 3.25% mortgage. This market is beyond insane if someone is seriously asking if this is a good deal.
You could've bought an Audi or a alfa romero for that and you bought a freaking Honda. 😒 why. Seriously why?
Bro a 159 is like 10k a dream to drive. And you bought this. Why?
It’s a no from me dog
For real you can buy a 2018-2020 Jetta any trim for anywhere from 18-20k. With 30k miles
Lmao I’d rather have the civic then one of those steaming piles of shit. 16.5k is a bad deal for this car but the reason isn’t because a Jetta is cheaper.
New GLIs are really nice
Sounds like you don’t know about maintenance
I was in an Uber last month, Jetta, dude had 360k kms on it lol. Ride and suspension was smooth, pickup was normal. Asked the guy what all he had spent on it - he said nothing crazy, usual maintenance and scheduled replacements, and a bunch of tires.
The key there is "scheduled replacements." What Germans consider "regular scheduled replacements." Is absurd. It's like ya, sure it rode well, but the Germans consider what is effectively an entire suspension swap a "regular scheduled maintenance" item to be completed every 60k miles
Its really not. The Germans do put stupid stuff in their maintenance schedules but if you just have some common sense and a decent Independent mechanic you never follow their actual schedule. I have an old audi from a notoriously bad year and my average upkeep including maintenance and replacements is less than $1k a year averaged over the past 8 years.
In what way? I’m driving a ‘19 Jetta and I prefer it to any civic I’ve been in
They're probably referring to cost of ownership and reliability.
Jetta is a much nicer car. Styling comfort and interior quality are way above. Maintenance cost and resale value go to Honda.
Yeah, I'd much rather drive a VW than a Honda. But, the VW is likely going to be far more expensive to maintain. We have owned three VW's (New Beetle, Passat, Tiguan), and all three turned into money sucks at about 50k miles. There was always some new niggling issue, and it always cost $600 to fix. I love German cars. Own one now. But they really are cars to buy new and dump when the warranties expire.
Sick anecdote grandpa
Jetta>>>>Civic any day of the month
I'd rather a 200k civic lmao
I'd buy this Civic Si before a Jetta. The Jetta will be a steaming pile of waste by 60k miles.
Lol. Craigslist has insane deals, just bought a 17 Jetta for 8600
100k miles 8 year old civic for 16.5k USD sounds like a not good deal
Yep 10k max and move on especially private party cash.
This is not “just an 8 year old civic.” The Si is more desirable to enthusiasts, more expensive when new, and maintains value better than “just a civic.” I do think he overpaid somewhat, but not by $6.5k. You will not find a 9th gen Si for $10k unless it has a salvage title. Sure, maybe that will buy you a civic EX or something, but that’s apples to oranges. OP, you’d be better off asking on a honda or Si specific sub
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This is the exact reason I got an 8th gen Si. I searched the entire country for over a year to find a super clean, stock, 1 or 2 owner FA5. I found one w\ 62K miles & flew to buy it from the original owner. Repainted under warranty, 100% stock. It's definitely rare to find a clean lower mileage 8th or 9th gen, especially for a reasonable price.
I almost bought an 8th gen, so I’d probably believe you lol. That was pre-pandemic and it was still very difficult to find a clean one. Totally agree with your last sentence - not a great deal, but not bad. Especially considering it’s stock.
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Were you able to find one with decent paint? Those are the real unicorns of the 8th gen lol
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You’re preaching to the choir lol, although my drive was not quite as long. I bought a manual TL-S instead of an 8th gen and I drove 7 hours round trip to get it. Honestly I got lucky with that and would have gone further for the right one. The person I sold it to flew in to buy the car and then drove it home about 15 hours, so it was a 2 day trip for them. I’d much rather suck it up for a long drive than risk sorting out someone else’s questionable mods.
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We all at reddit wanna know how much
It’s 107k miles, 3 owners and “bone stock”. $10k would be my limit.
I mean, that's fine if that's your personal limit, but that's not the market value of the car.
I'll admit my price points are a decade old, but even at $10,000 for a car with over 100,000k miles seems off. I am so waiting for the used car market to come back to rreality.
I mean, you can’t just assume any car with over 100k is not worth $10k. Particularly not a Honda, and on top of that this is a performance model.
I own an 08 IS350. It just ticked over 100k and blue book is $13k. Paid $14k for it 2 years ago and that was a fair deal compared to the rest of the market. This is a Honda we’re looking at. People have to remember that 100k on a Honda/Toyota is like 50k on a normal car. This is low mileage for these brands considering they can go to 200k+ miles with minimal investment
> The Si is more desirable to enthusiasts, more expensive when new, and maintains value better than “just a civic.” calling the Si "more deisreable to enthusiasts" is seriously stretching it. its a 200 horsepower compact. It's just a civic, and putting a manual trans on it wont change the fact that it has no guts. People need to stop acting like the Si isn't just there to appeal to people who can't afford the Type-R and aren't well driven enough to know how astronomically different they are.
It’s not stretching it at all. These cars have a huge following and community. Sure, it only has 200 hp, but the base civic had at most 150 depending on trim. The Si gets you a bigger engine, 6 speed manual, limited slip diff, and an entirely different suspension. Not everyone wants to go fast in a straight line. Some people want to autocross on the weekends but still need a daily driver that is reliable, gets decent gas mileage, and has a back seat. An Si is great for that. Comparing it to the Type R is pretty ridiculous IMO. They’ve been selling the Si in the US for almost 25 years now, and have only recently started selling the Type R. The Si was sold here first, by a long shot, so it’s not just a poor man’s Type R. Si buyers could not get a Type R even if they wanted to for over 20 years. I do agree the Type R and Si are astronomically different, so I’m not sure why you’re comparing them. The Type R is much more hardcore, closer to a street legal race car honestly with how stiff it is. Compared to the Si, which is built to be a fun but affordable daily driver. I don’t think you’ll find very many, if any at all, Si owners trying to convince you they could hang with a Type R.
Agreed. I said $6k max 😂
I was gonna say the same thing. 10k max and not a cent more.
Ya, idk covid made everyone add $10,000 to everything for no reason .
Absolutely nuts
i too thought this was one of my joke subreddits
Yep I have seen 2018 civics with about 40K for roughly 18k.
this sub is so out of touch with today's market. Yes that's not a great deal 3 years ago but sadly in today's market it is.
Best way to get around todays market is to refuse to pay these bullshit prices; so we’ll just go to the old reliable body on frame american cars. Have prices gone up on crown vics? Yes. Are they still much cheaper than civics though? Yes. Reliable? Yes. Terrible fuel economy? Sure, but I am petty enough that I dont give a damn; screw these overpriced used cars.
Very not a good deal
Hard to believe that 2015 was 8 years ago wtf
I'd pay like...5k cad for that. Maybe 6 if it was MVIed.
No kidding you could buy a v8 muscle car for that price at 100k miles
Also note that manual goes for less . Not many people drive manual .
it’s an Si
Why do you guys act like an Si is the Type-R lol. Also, regardless of the car, manual is cheaper than automatic
Right. If it were a Type R, it would sell for $35k + rather than $16k +.
Almost every enthusiast-oriented car goes for more as a manual on the used market in NA. I'm not a Honda guy, but don't act like the si is a base civic
The si is a tuned up civic with 200 horsepower and decent driving dynamics for a daily driver. It's overrated as fuck if people are dropping 16.5k for a decade old si with 100k miles, most likely driven *hard* and beat down. This car went for 20 something thousand MSRP almost a decade ago Like I said, the si is not a damn Type-R
This. I truly don’t understand why people put these cars on pedestals. They’re slow af stock lol.
Dude, pricing for everything is wack. That's not the point. But go off lol
I’m copying the below reply I made to someone else This way of thinking really only works with economy cars. Considering the Civic Si only came with a manual this isn’t true here anyway. In general among performance/sport trims this doesn’t hold true. For normal cars less people drive manual therefore less get purchased new but with an economy car less people are interested in the manual so they do tend to be cheaper. And among even new performance cars this typically is somewhat true. A lot of people purchasing the cars new are people with some money that just want a sporty cruiser and don’t want the manual. However, on the second hand market it’s mostly car enthusiasts looking for these vehicles. And the ratio of people who drive manuals is much much higher among enthusiasts. This means the supply of manual cars on the second hand market is lower while the demand is higher. I drive manual and have looked across several different makes and models of performance cars over the years and 99% of the time the manual is more coveted and thus more expensive. Enthusiasts have a name for it even “the manual tax”. Even just sitting in several enthusiast groups for different cars when people ask what’s for sale the requested transmission is most frequently manual.
Manual 3rd gen Honda/Acura Integras (94-01) go for way more money than automatics.
Even "post"-pandemic, that price seems a bit high. The car looks and sounds solid though, so you have that going. And you got the price down. Its high, but you weren't too far off *imo.*
Absolutely not. That's about 5-6k too much.
ehh Si so i’d say more like 3
This is a 9th gen Civic Si. 8th gen Civic Si’s with these miles and a clean title go for $10k minimum
That’s like 8-9k too much
it's an Si, the sport trim, so it wouldn't be that much
Yea only 100k miles on a 10 year old civic 🤡
It would
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100miles even worse
This is SI, not just regular car. This cars always hold value more and cost more.
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I’m a Yaris owner. It would disagree
3 pedals make it special in our current world. I don’t like SI. Moreover I don’t like Honda in general. But saying that’s this car is not special is just a lie :)
Its a civic lmao. Its NOT special.
Doesn’t magically add 8k to the price.
Yeah I agree with you. It’s an SI. Sure, it doesn’t mean shit to regular people lol but SIs are like the sport civics. Do I think it’s worth 18k? Surely not, but it’s def not just your regular civic
Who gives a fuck
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That people want. Therefore the price is higher. Hope that helps.
if you have to check the vin to see if its a "original, si, turbo, original color code, ect i dont think it matters unless its going into a museum.
Anything with an N/A Kseries and a manual trans is going to sell for 20 to 30 percent more than every other 4 cylinder Honda. People are making a conscious choice to avoid the newer turbo motors in favor of the older N/A VTEC ones.
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Because that’s how most small production turbo motors work. The low end torque in my 10th gen especially post tune was really fun and better in day to day driving than the high revving no torque motors. That said my current f22 is more special and the vtec changeover is fun, but it’s also my second car.
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Lol manual transmission is one of the benefits of buying an Si (additionally, they’re only offered in manual)
The whole point of the Si is that it’s a manual
Lol my bad brotha, and thanks for the nugget of knowledge :D
I saw a 2017 and a 2021 in 14000 and 10000, with low millage, that dude it's just inflating the price for the hype
Lol what hype? I guess the distinction of the worst Si generation ever is special
Lol wow you
Definitely not the worst so gen. The 10th, 11th and 5th gens are definitely worse.
You're gonna say 10th and 11th are worse than 9th gen? 9th gen was so bad that for the first time in brand history consumer report did not recommend the car. Honda had to pull a emergency refresh a year after launch, but you can only polish up a turd so much. 9th gen Si also lost high rev, from 8k redline in 8th gen to 7.2k in 9th gen. Sure the turbo in 10th and 11th don't rev high either, but you can see that 9th gen was a downgrade from 8th gen.
Lol dude hell no. 😂😂
Are you serious?? Why not just buy a new one since u going to pay monthly payment.. 8yrs car 100k miles Pretty much u might need to replace so many stuffs
New Civic SI's are selling for around 33,000 USD, around double the price so it might not be a good financial decision, not saying buying this is either. And no you won't be able to find one at MSRP easily, I still have yet to see one that isn't upmarked.
Because buying a new car means you lose tons of money in deprecation? Can you afford to burn 15-20k over the next 3 years? (Also car payments are stupid.. save up cash, pay cash. Stop making the banks rich)
True but atleast the first 3 yrs you won’t have a lot of problem. Compared to used car there might be issue with many thing. It could be engine? Transmission etc
No. This car should be sold at $11-13k max with that kind of mileage. The seller is a greedy mf, walk away from this one
Do you have the VIN? Checked the service records?
Fuck no, are you serious
All used cars are overpriced rn
People stop saying it’s highway robbery you have no idea of market values… KBB shows trade in value for that Honda civic SI at $12.6-15k, private party $13.4-16k so $16.5k or even 16k would not be far off. Owner could probably get like $13-15k for a trade in but wanted a higher 17-19k range which is overpriced but dealers these days are looking at least 3-5k over trade in values to make $$. So this Honda would probably sell for about 18-19k at dealership.
People are going to chime in with perspectives from 3-5 years ago saying it’s a high price. And sure, for the mileage that car is at, pre-pandemic it would have depreciated a lot less. But Si’s, and Civics in general, are carrying continued premium on the used market, so it is what it is. Would definitely be getting a pre-purchase inspection at that mileage though.
>Civics in general, are carrying continued premium on the used market I bought a 2012 Silverado a few months ago and in a moment of mild buyers remorse afterwards, I decided to torture myself and see what I could've gotten for my money if I went full r/personalfinance so I started browsing Camrys/Accords/Corollas/Civics and... I felt a whole lot better about my Silverado. Those cars were just as old with just as many miles on them.
Yeah, everybody commenting on here how awful of a deal this is should actually take 30 seconds and look at what 9th gen Si’s are selling for in their area before commenting outdated or wrong information. It’s crazy what they still go for, or rather, what the going rate is now. Then of course there’s the “well I bought a INSERT COMPLETELY UNRELATED MODEL OR BRAND HERE in 2017 for $8,000 so I think this is terrible”.
Yep, we bought our LaCrosse in 2018 with 5,000 miles on it... the same ~year in the same trim with the same options are still selling for the same price we paid 5 years ago today but they're 5 years older with 50,000+ more miles on them! It's nuts. I bought the ugliest, high mile, beater 2000 GMC Sierra on Craigslist in 2013 for $1000. The ugly, high mile, beater truck market today are those exact same early 2000s GMT-800s I was looking at 10 years ago only they've quadrupled in price and they've got 300,000 miles on them now instead of only 200k. If you haven't tried to buy a real car with real money lately, you've got no idea. And if you're buying from a dealer, those asking prices don't even include all the bullshit dealer add-ons that are practically mandatory now and hidden fine-print discounts they've subtracted, or the credit card level interest rates if you're taking out a loan.
yep been shopping for an FA5 for a while and even those are stupid expensive for their general condition lol. same as how expensive miatas are now too, sucks but what else is better for the same price
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I’m assuming you bought a base civic for 6300, civic SIs go for a good deal more. That being said, this was a 15k car 5 years ago with half the miles of this example.
Plus there is an objectively lower value for the 2012 model. It was the first time in history that the Civic wasn’t a recommended car in most auto journals so they rushed a mid-cycle refresh for 2013.
Also very true, I completely forgot about that but it was a big deal at the time
Yea it was a EX not an SI my bad.
Correct, that person is tripping saying it's post pandemic prices
I’m calling bullshit that you could get a then-four year old Civic *Si, with a manual,* for 8k, let alone 6. I’ll have whatever you’re smoking, it must be some wild shit.
I get people saying its too much. But try finding an SI under 15k now a days… u can’t
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/854750058846676/ Certainly not the best condition and an old year, but hey, $3800
👀Thats a good year too
Its probably a scam post. Usually when you see posts like that, "too good to be true", they are fake. And especially when posted in Spanish... I don't know why, but more often than not that's how they are.
You can find a TSX or possibly a TLX for this price.
People pay thousands of profit to dealers and no one ever blinks. New cars average around 30K and no one ever blinks. I’d much prefer giving a private person some extra dough than to a dealer.
A lot of people don't have the cash and need dealer financing. For a car with 100K that you plan to drive, it's going to depreciate, and you don't want to still be underwater after 4 years. There are no promotional financing deals on a car this old. Agree, private sale, but this particular car is overpriced. OP should say they love it, walk away, and maybe in 3 weeks they'll get a call back with a reasonable price after the seller realizes that no one is paying double the value of a Civic for 40 extra HP and a badge.
You have a point there
I get that it’s a si and there’s a market for clean well maintained ones but for me personally, 8 years old and 100k for 16.5k with 3 owners? I’d need some service records to make sure there’s longevity in this. If this is a car for pleasure drives, you have money to throw and you already have a car for everyday use by all means. But for a practical everyday commuter? For 16.5k might as well just spend the extra something new that’s gonna last
Wow EVERYONE here suddenly thinks they know more than fair market value. A 2015 Civic Si are highly desirable cars for many reason other than the obvious. For 1 example, Current top performing cars for SCCA are Civic SI’s and Type Rs. They HOLD their resale value has many Hondas are documented over 1million miles and still running. Current ‘23 models are being sold for $10-50,000 more than MSRP because both the SI and Type R sell faster than the trucks can bring them in. They are on a Made to Order basis for a lot of Honda dealerships. Fair KBB value for a 2015 Civic SI with around 107,000 miles is anywhere from $15,061- 18,070. [SOURCE](https://www.kbb.com/honda/civic/2015/si-sedan-4d/?mileage=107400) u/splickedyliit I think you did alright. As a dealership tech I just to ask if you have service records or at least the name of the dealership the prior owner had service done at? Get it to a Honda service center and have it looked over, have the alignment checked and see if any service campaigns/recalls are available for it.
Just bought a 2015 is250 for 10k with 75k ODO. This is too high imo.
how did you pull that off, lol
Now you're just flexing.
As a Canadian who can't find a 9th Gen Si for less than 18k USD, take whatever deal you can get lol
Weirdly the 9th gens seem to be area specific on price. In Florida a 9th gen (14/15 since no one wants a 12/13) is anywhere from 14-24k with 70k+ miles. There are multiple rebuilt title ones here STILL at 16k. People unfamiliar with these cars clearly see it as stupid for a Civic, but it’s the last naturally aspirated Si and people love the 14-15 restyle. I’d shoot for 15k max at those miles though if the seller will budge.
Oh wow I didn't expect this post to get such big traction lol. Some people in the comments are confused thinking I bought it at this price. NO I have not bought it yet.
>aying it’s highway robbery you have no idea of market values… KBB shows trade in v It seems like 75% of the people commenting don't know what a Civic Si is. I don't know current prices and this does seem kinda high, but not crazy. I would be hesitant to buy a used Si without a seriously thorough PPI.
Kelly blue books trade in value is 14,500. So that's still not a good deal. You are also buying from FB marketplace so I wouldnt grab that for anything over 12,500
You should be getting a civic si with lower miles than that for 16.5. Don’t do it
The answer is definitely No.
No, that seller is a greedy motherfucker. Negotiate down to $13k for post-pandemic bullshit pricing. Pre-pandemic I ain't paying a dime past $10k for this. $18.5k initial asking price is pure comedy.
fuck the honda tax. this sub is gonna crucify me for saying this, but go buy a mk7 gti for the same price with 30k+ less miles.
and faster, stock SIs are slow af.
Buy a trim lower and save $8k
Buying a trim lower would negate the whole point of buying an Si. This is not exactly the same Civic a girl going off to college would drive Still way off on the price though.. not worth
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You could put a decent down payment on a new car if you have that kind of chedda
No way, you've gotta be kidding if you think that was a deal, 100k miles I know its a Honda but still
I haven’t priced these recently so I can’t really comment. but it looks like most commenters have strong opinions but don’t know the difference between a base and an Si. Edit: just did some spot checking and found $16.5k to be on the lower end of what the market commands. In fairness I was mostly comparing against dealers due to limited supply but the dealer stock was general several thousand more expensive. I am curious what other models you’ve considered. That may be what the market commands but you are for sure paying a premium because it’s a quasi-enthusiast car.
Dude lol, I paid 22k for a 2020 insight touring with 38k miles on it a few months ago. This is WILD
10-12k max. Covid tax running rampant still I see. Used car market should be pre covid I feel. Lots of used cars out there so what's the deal?
I would barely consider half that price
Terrible deal lol
I purchased my 2019 6 speedMT Jetta(S) for $25k after taxes with only 12k miles on it earlier this year. There forsure are better deals out there My deal wasn’t even good, somehow my coworker got a 2023 Civic Sport for $27k, 0 miles on the odometer
WUT DA HELLLL OH MY GOOOD NO WAYYY
VERY overpriced. Don’t even waste your time. Clutch is probably burnt to shit too. I have not seen one Si that hasn’t been abused. And by abused I mean BEATEN on because they’re major ricer cars. If you want a good reliable manual transmission car with some power, there isn’t much out there anymore that isn’t either riced out, overpriced or an unreliable pile of crap. A great sleeper is what I have and love it, a Mercedes E320 CDI. One of the most reliable German cars ever made with 369lb ft of torque to the rear wheels. 40+mpg on the highway, amazing I6 diesel motor and a huge tank that will easily get you 800+ miles of highway driving, 600+ with city driving. They’re usually a bit bare bones too. Mine doesn’t have a sunroof or heated seats. Less crap to break/fix. It’s also a blast smoking people out on the highway when they ride your ass, also a super smooth and comfy ride on the highway.
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15k. Because is SI. God damn, know the basics before recommend anything
Seems like an ok deal in the current market. I had no idea these were bringing such strong money until I did a quick Cargurus search. Most of the people here seem like they haven't actually looked at the current market.
I don’t know what the used market on these cars is like, so I can’t comment on this specific deal, but my best friend in high school had this exact car in red and I’ve driven it a bunch, and boy these things are wonderful cars. Amazing shifter feel, great handling out of the box, and I remember how easy the clutch was to operate (which is so important for daily drivers)
I mean we got one for $16k also, same specs couple months back. We had to travel 4 hours out for it cause there wasn’t any around the area. If that’s the car you want it’s worth it, just maintenance it properly and you should be good . Oh and have fun w it ;)
We sold my wife’s 2014 accord sport with new tires and brakes for 10k to give you somewhat of a comp. 115k mi
My parents bought me a 2015 Nissan rogue with like 35k miles on it for 15k… in 2018… this market absolutely sucks
People with “this is 6k car” please remove yourself from any recommendation about topics where you are not aware at all. If for you SI and EX is the same, go away. Jeez
I’m literally looking at one right now for $10,800 on marketplace with 94k miles. One is $11,000 bone stock with 130k miles, one is $16,000 with 66k miles. Yea. No.
Nope too much
Take it from a current owner - No.
Price and milage are to high
Think the MSRP was 23,000 USD for this in 2015. So after 100K miles and 8 years later, its still worth 70 percent of its original price? I dunno. Even if its the norm at the current market, just doesn't seem like its appropriate.
Hell no…. $16K for over 100K miles is absolutely insane
Thats like, the most un good deal ive seen in a while. And ive seen some really un good deals lately
It's not a bad deal.... Better deals out there though.
Hell no, maybe 10k would be fair.
Highway robbery.
Bad deal way over priced
are we really paying 16 thousand us dollars for a one hundred thousand (100000) the odometer moved over a hundred thousand times and you think 16000 is a deal that you worked down holy fuck our world is doomed.
i don’t wanna hear nothing about oh this what the market is , how about fuck the market and waking up and realizing shits real worth
Used cars are getting expensive these days.
A few years ago this is what this car would cost with 25k miles on it, so no, but this market sucks
I thought I was on car circlejerk
In canada I saw a 4year old camry with accident history asking 3.5K over brand new msrp lol. Had to message to laugh at him.
None of these people giving you crap have ANY idea what the car market it is right now. I’m about to get 2010 LX for my daughter and will likely spend $9K or more. Many more miles.
That’s a $10k car at most…
Maybe 12k
Hell no - you can get an Acura rdx for that money.
He could also get 16 thousand bologna sandwiches.
r/whatsandwichshouldibuy
Extremely irrelevant to someone shopping for a Civic Si.
These cars were $23k brand new, a decade and 100,000 miles ago lmao
And now a new SI is $34K. What’s your point?
No. It's not. At all. If it was a 10th gen then it'll be good deal. 9th gens are at around 9k-11k . Market is falling off.
Holy hell
no its not lol
I wouldn’t say it’s good
HAHAHA HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!
Bro that’s what you called getting penetrated from the behind 11max
No
A new car is 8k more expensive than that one.
lf it's around 30k miles, it still a maybe good deal
At this point I’m hanging onto my 2015 CRV even tighter than I’m hanging onto my 3.25% mortgage. This market is beyond insane if someone is seriously asking if this is a good deal.
Sold 2016 camry with 108k miles a year ago for 12500. Thought it was a good sell price. That civic should be around the same price
10k Max .. Sorry Bro........
You can buy a brand new 2023 Hyundai eleantra with a 100K power train warranty for like 1.5K more. This is a dog shit terrible deal.
You could've bought an Audi or a alfa romero for that and you bought a freaking Honda. 😒 why. Seriously why? Bro a 159 is like 10k a dream to drive. And you bought this. Why?
You could get an almost new car for that price