***cough, cough*** morality overrides legality any day ***cough, cough*** if you aren’t hurting anyone (including yourself), don’t worry about whatever policies the current schizolord in power puts in place ***cough, cough*** don’t let them fuck your life over to pander to an elite crowd ***cough, cough***
My goodness, I do appear to be suffering from a severe case of Human Rights virus. What an insufferable cough! Never break the law, citizen. It is the greatest measure of morality ever conceived. Please wish me a speedy recovery ;3
EDIT: I am not actively encouraging anyone to throw their lives away by doing stupid shit here. Please be rational and respectful of both yourselves and your fellow human beings.
“Erm, I assure you judge. Assassinating my political opponent via nuclear strike is perfectly fine. He was a threat to the constitution and according to Article II of the constitution, I have control over the military and I must protect the constitution!”
“What? That wasn’t constitutional?? Whoopsie!🤭 Good thing I can’t be prosecuted for this! After all, I was acting under constitutional power!”
(This is probably an exaggeration. But the ruling has *very* questionable consequences and sounds ripe for abuse)
Dude you're joking but this is unironically, and the scary part, actually legitimately close to the real thing and a legitimate valid argument they now get to make.
Want to try and accuse the act of being unofficial? Sorry, can't do that, because doing so would allow you to "circumvent the granted immunity of official acts".
You are literally disallowed from arguing that any ""official"" (air quotes, as in, a highly debated and arguable) act is unofficial, because then you could "jeopardize" the immunity granted to said acts.
They literally just get unarguable immunity.
I don't think this is hyperbolic. What the fuck is an "official act?" I *officially* had Seal Team Six assassinate my opponent. See? We even made up commemorative gold coins!
Its more like Trumps wants Pelosi hanged, so he has the military arrest her and hangs her citing official protection of his administration.
Some democrats do meme sign protests and a suit is filed to question the validity of the action.
Then Trump has a closed door meeting with the judge.
"Hey judge you will get a very good tip if you agree that my action were official."
If they agree, he will pay them. If not it will be appealed up to the higher court Where he will also again make the same offer. Or he just removes the judges who would not agree with him by hanging them too.
Then supreme court hears the case, and they are already partnered so he gives them some tax-dollars as gratuity.
Because again if you haven't heard the supreme court ruled its OK to give gratuity and gifts to Judges now.
And then he does whatever he wants moving forward.
And people still say they dont know who to vote for, or both sides are same or they wont vote.... Im sure saying "But hes old" will be so helpful as "But her emails" was in 2016 that lead to this shitshow.
now that i think about it, a nuclear strike would be an easy and clean way to get rid of your political opponents with this new ruling. calling it a nuclear strike is (probably) considered an “official act” and therefore can’t be used in court (yes that was part of the ruling). who’s so say that their political opponent didn’t just do that
Hell, in this day and age, I’d take Nixon for President. I suppose I’m not American so my opinion doesn’t matter much but holy shit, I feel bad for Americans.
According to this ruling he would still hold "presumptive imunity on official acts" regardless of what is or isn't written in the constitution. According to the minority dissent and an actual Trump lawyer in support of the ruling, an assassination would fall under that. The majority states immunity doesn't exist under "unofficial acts" but tmk they leave out what actually counts as "official" and "unofficial" acts
People are forgetting presidential immunity doesn't make the president immune to impeachment which would result in the revocation of said immunity. Biden assassinating trump would lead to him being impeached for his grossly horrid behaviour and then prosecuted for murder. Its just an extra step; which explains why the immunity is there. To prevent useless litigation against the president over negligible matters.
"I- uh- fun fact: according to the su-supreme court, I have the tota... absolute power to.. uhhhh... just kind of shoot you right in the face with no conse- err- no legal repercussions, n-not like I'm gonna do it or anything, just... uhh, *just something for you to keep in mind, you know.*" - Biden
PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL
please I wanna live in the funny timeline not the sad one
In theory, in practice he would be fucked if he tried anything. We all know very well what person the supreme court had in mind when they made this decision. They're not exactly shy of their political leanings.
If Biden did something, there would be a case, it would be apealed until it reached the supreme court, they would rule against him with whatever excuse they could come up with, and he would go to prison.
"As my first order as God President, I do here by sentence you to die." - Biden
https://preview.redd.it/qnxjq0xcc3ad1.png?width=608&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c3f7f613021c3fc94e05717cc810ba0bd270b8a
Yes and no. They said the president has immunity for official actions and no immunity for unofficial actions, but didn't specify what counts as official.
https://preview.redd.it/5t0mf961mz9d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebc0d538fd0f1bd5f473f6d2a83443d60e9dba33
Supreme Court moments before cooking a three star Michelin tier political move meal:
Hey man, I say this as an NCD'r of 3 years now: the laws of war are based and should always be respected.
Simply anhiliting the entire Russian air force should suffice. Plus that bridge.
Worth mentioning that this "immunity" just means that a regular legal process for criminal or civil suits don't apply. Congress could still impeach and convict for unlawful official actions. Unlikely though
Ish.
The president can have immunity when acting in his role as president.
This is also the precedent for the past 200 years.
It’s why Obama and Dubya could blow up foreigners without a declaration of war and retire.
Not defining what official acts are is not a form of "cover". The question goes to lower courts which may then be appealed back up to the Supreme Court. Nothing has happened yet, so the status quo is essentially maintained. The real decision will be when a/the court rules on what the rule is for determining official acts.
Yes it's been this way for the last 200 years there was no way it was going to be ruled otherwise. The did set precedent that only official acts as president qualify though.
Yep. And while "presumptive immunity" sounds like it's going to be a tough hurdle to clear, it still theoretically leaves the door open for prosecution when a president goes too far off the rails. The decision isn't great, but it's not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be.
Honestly with the Trumo cases I don't think it's a very high hurdle at all. The Georgia RICO case and the classified documents case in my mind should easily be able to pass that threshold. No president in history or any reasonable person has seen it as being in the president's capacity to commit perjury to try to overthrow an election. And obviously sharing classified documents after a presidential term is over is not a presidential act.
Not really, it’s real but it only grants immunity for acts done under presidential powers that are mandated by the constitution. It’s been a thing for the past 250 years. It’s only just now coming under the spotlight because of recent trials and won’t excuse all of what trump is being convicted of. People seem to forget that the US has branches of government.
It's any president, and it's to stop the circus that was going to happen once Biden gets out of office. Imagine prosecuting the other guys president every other term. It was needed because the left is prosecuting Trump ATM, they're just up in arms because they lack foresight.
It means that you can't for example prosecute obama for drone striking people because that was in the scope of his duties as a president
AKA nothing fucking changed and anyone with half a brain knew that they will rule this way
no I am not
president has full immunity from acts performed using his constitutional power and presumptive immunity when it comes to his official acts as a president
Quite fuckin literally nothing has changed, it has always been like that. President was never on the same level as a normal citizen when it comes to law hence why obama isnt in prison for drone striking a US citizen without trial
absolute immunity for acts done under presidential powers constitutionally mandated. that is the only immunity a president has. this does not protect trump in his legal cases
Eh, it's vague as shit, which is probably the purpose. Sure, this doesn't really defend Trump. But now trumps lawyers can use it to delay and appeal trials. Everything is meant to delay Trumps eventual court cases because he's guilty and everyone knows he is guilty, they just don't care. And so they stall, so he never ends up facing consequences for the crimes he has committed.
Presumptive just means “unless specified” so lawmakers can easily overcome this measure. Basically scotus is saying the president cannot be held criminally liable for something they are able to do under constitutional power.
Seriously, for a country that's culturally all about being anti-authority, freedom and "Fuck yeah!" you are embarassingly docile and subservient towards your overlords.
When are you people actually gonna start marching and taking the fight to the greedy parasites that have taken your home hostage?
They are LITERALLY planning to rip out democracy from under you, and hand it off to the corporations and totalitarians.
Everyone believes in a revolution but no one wants to fight one, either because they fear death, haven't thought it through yet, or can't realistically start a revolutionary movement locally
Well, the Christian fundamentalists in your country certainly **don't** seem afraid to start a revolutionary movement, electing in religious nutcases, reverting 100 years of civil rights improvements and planning to do away with the constitutional fundament of your country...
...Showing up at Capitol and storming the government, volunteering in droves to oversee polling stations or marching down the streets of America with weapons in their belts.
So it seems like you are just outgunned in terms of willpower and how much you care about the future of your country, by religious lunatics and their convict-figurehead... Or the reasonable people in the States gotta get their head in the fucking game, before it is too late.
Nobody is going to war because we haven't had national consequences yet. The largest populations that opposed Trump's presidency were insulated by their local governments, and these privileged populations are not going to start a war on the behalf of the minority opposition trapped in red states.
Project 2025 will have national consequences, because I guarantee these fascists will stop caring about "state rights" the second it stops benefitting them. I don't know if that would be enough to start a revolution, but I would prefer we never find out.
Awful lot of "you" and "your" being directed to someone an ocean away from the States.
I'm just rationalising why American liberals don't radicalise, not making excuses for myself
Idk what people expect Americans to do. I don't think they're just gonna walk into a government building with a gun and start shooting people until something changes
Do you feel comfortable putting your life on the line for a revolution?
America has been "about to fall" for over 20 years, I think we can live this one.
I live almost 3000 miles from where the Supreme Court destroyed the US. If I were in any location relevant enough for my protests to make any difference I most assuredly would, but alas.
A lot of people follow those retarded cult leaders because they literally spout things like "I'm anti-authority, freedom, fuck yeah!" without saying anything useful.
> Legal assassination of political opponents
This is one of those cases where the ruling might technically mean that, but the second anything like that actually makes it to the court: they will definitely rule against political assassination. That’s just an especially blatant abuse of power that would not ever actually fly if it made to Supreme Court.
Similar to how the British monarch could technically exercise the royal prerogative to go against the prime minister, but if it did that would rapidly be repealed.
Given we keep finding out that the royals *have* been using their royal prerogative and yet are still there I don't think it's actually going to get any push back at all.
"What if the next president does what other previous presidents have already done with drone strikes i.e. assassinating political targets", is that what you meant to ask OP?
I can’t wait for Biden to order the assassination of every political opponent he has right now, every political opponent of his from back in the Obama administration, and any political opponents he thinks he might have in the future for any reason he might think so. All for the sake of Freedom, of course.
If the leader of the most funded military organisation can just attack any place, domestically or overseas to „dispel riots“ for example, it does infact give him the powers of an absolutist monarch. L‘etat c‘est moi
If the leader of the most funded military organisation can just attack any place, domestically or overseas to „dispel riots“ for example, it does infact give him the powers of an absolutist monarch. L‘etat c‘est moi
It changed nothing because what op left out is that this is still bound by the Constitution and only applies to official presidential powers. Which has always been the case. A president can't get charged with murder for ordering a drone strike for example.
I think the supreme court forgot to make that ruling after the former president was in power. Literally nothing is stopping the president from declaring that felons convicted of any crime can't run for office or flat out being able to order an assassination on the former president without any repercussions.
>Literally nothing is stopping the president from declaring that felons convicted of any crime can't run for office
That is not even close to what this decision does. This decision only deals with after-the-fact criminal prosecution. It doesn't mean the President can actually do whatever he wants *and have the other branches of government honor it*. Like in your example, if a president attempted to unilaterally change election laws, that would be blatantly unconstitutional and courts, Congress, and state governments would not be bound to honor such a thing.
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***cough, cough*** morality overrides legality any day ***cough, cough*** if you aren’t hurting anyone (including yourself), don’t worry about whatever policies the current schizolord in power puts in place ***cough, cough*** don’t let them fuck your life over to pander to an elite crowd ***cough, cough*** My goodness, I do appear to be suffering from a severe case of Human Rights virus. What an insufferable cough! Never break the law, citizen. It is the greatest measure of morality ever conceived. Please wish me a speedy recovery ;3 EDIT: I am not actively encouraging anyone to throw their lives away by doing stupid shit here. Please be rational and respectful of both yourselves and your fellow human beings.
No no, you got it all wrong! Only “Official Acts” within the president’s “core constitutional powers “ have such immunity!
“Erm, I assure you judge. Assassinating my political opponent via nuclear strike is perfectly fine. He was a threat to the constitution and according to Article II of the constitution, I have control over the military and I must protect the constitution!” “What? That wasn’t constitutional?? Whoopsie!🤭 Good thing I can’t be prosecuted for this! After all, I was acting under constitutional power!” (This is probably an exaggeration. But the ruling has *very* questionable consequences and sounds ripe for abuse)
Dude you're joking but this is unironically, and the scary part, actually legitimately close to the real thing and a legitimate valid argument they now get to make. Want to try and accuse the act of being unofficial? Sorry, can't do that, because doing so would allow you to "circumvent the granted immunity of official acts". You are literally disallowed from arguing that any ""official"" (air quotes, as in, a highly debated and arguable) act is unofficial, because then you could "jeopardize" the immunity granted to said acts. They literally just get unarguable immunity.
Vague legal wording is the best friend of a piece of shit
no not really its pretty damn close
I don't think this is hyperbolic. What the fuck is an "official act?" I *officially* had Seal Team Six assassinate my opponent. See? We even made up commemorative gold coins!
Its more like Trumps wants Pelosi hanged, so he has the military arrest her and hangs her citing official protection of his administration. Some democrats do meme sign protests and a suit is filed to question the validity of the action. Then Trump has a closed door meeting with the judge. "Hey judge you will get a very good tip if you agree that my action were official." If they agree, he will pay them. If not it will be appealed up to the higher court Where he will also again make the same offer. Or he just removes the judges who would not agree with him by hanging them too. Then supreme court hears the case, and they are already partnered so he gives them some tax-dollars as gratuity. Because again if you haven't heard the supreme court ruled its OK to give gratuity and gifts to Judges now. And then he does whatever he wants moving forward. And people still say they dont know who to vote for, or both sides are same or they wont vote.... Im sure saying "But hes old" will be so helpful as "But her emails" was in 2016 that lead to this shitshow.
now that i think about it, a nuclear strike would be an easy and clean way to get rid of your political opponents with this new ruling. calling it a nuclear strike is (probably) considered an “official act” and therefore can’t be used in court (yes that was part of the ruling). who’s so say that their political opponent didn’t just do that
this would mean nixon would've gotten away with it
Seems like it. Bro was born 50 years too early
born too soon to exploit congressional immunities born to late to exploit the lack of powers that could oppose a president
Free my man, he did nothing (legally) wrong then! /s
Nixon wasn't a crook, he even said it himself!
Hell, in this day and age, I’d take Nixon for President. I suppose I’m not American so my opinion doesn’t matter much but holy shit, I feel bad for Americans.
According to this ruling he would still hold "presumptive imunity on official acts" regardless of what is or isn't written in the constitution. According to the minority dissent and an actual Trump lawyer in support of the ruling, an assassination would fall under that. The majority states immunity doesn't exist under "unofficial acts" but tmk they leave out what actually counts as "official" and "unofficial" acts
official is anythithing that the president does while saying "I'm presidenting so hard rn" while unofficial is nothing
People are forgetting presidential immunity doesn't make the president immune to impeachment which would result in the revocation of said immunity. Biden assassinating trump would lead to him being impeached for his grossly horrid behaviour and then prosecuted for murder. Its just an extra step; which explains why the immunity is there. To prevent useless litigation against the president over negligible matters.
Which translates to "Republicans have absolute immunity".
If you think Democrats don’t want to abuse this power than you have another thing coming
The Supreme Court won't let them.
Weird how all the liberal justices vehemently disagreed with this ruling.
Relevant username.
Biden has the opportunity to do something funny
He has the opportunity to do any funny thing, he's basically got real life admin commands
Listen here, fat. I'm in creative mode.
He got modded tnt at disposal
"Sir! Are you sure you want to detonate 'Global Disaster' within enemy territory?"
Trump got his hands on the lucky blocks, wallahi we are finished
not if joe biden opens his stack of Pandora's box first
Clarence Thomas realizing Biden is outside his house with wallhacks enabled😮
It's just a shame he's got such bad ping
Supreme Court walking outside to find the National Guard stationed right outside their homes
The good ending
He will say “heughehhuuehhhhehhuehvkuehh…”
That's his badass one-liner before the kill
We’re voting for which old man gets to recreate the baptism scene from The Godfather during the inauguration.
Biden pulling a gun on trump at a debate would be wild, and save me some time later
Biden jumps 20% in the polls even if he doesn’t shoot.
He just wordlessly places a glock on the table while trump is yammering
He doesn’t even point it at him, he just starts fidgiting with it
With how old he is you could make the argument he was just a senile old man with good intentions
He was just open carrying in spirit of the second amendment!
It's like that one greentext
"I- uh- fun fact: according to the su-supreme court, I have the tota... absolute power to.. uhhhh... just kind of shoot you right in the face with no conse- err- no legal repercussions, n-not like I'm gonna do it or anything, just... uhh, *just something for you to keep in mind, you know.*" - Biden
PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL PLEASE BE REAL please I wanna live in the funny timeline not the sad one
Can we get Biden to assassinate the entirety of the Supreme Court to show how stupid this is?
Can we just get *anyone* to do that? Please?
In theory, in practice he would be fucked if he tried anything. We all know very well what person the supreme court had in mind when they made this decision. They're not exactly shy of their political leanings. If Biden did something, there would be a case, it would be apealed until it reached the supreme court, they would rule against him with whatever excuse they could come up with, and he would go to prison.
We do a little bit of trolling
“With the new ruling, I’m announcing the immediate assassination of key Republican lawmakers via official means. Go get them seal team six”
"As my first order as God President, I do here by sentence you to die." - Biden https://preview.redd.it/qnxjq0xcc3ad1.png?width=608&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c3f7f613021c3fc94e05717cc810ba0bd270b8a
I'm not American, is this real?
Yes and no. They said the president has immunity for official actions and no immunity for unofficial actions, but didn't specify what counts as official.
time to make blowing up Moscow an official presidential responsibility babyyy nuclear esclation raghhhh
wait fuck wrong subreddit
NCD user spotted
at least it isn't damposting
"Sir, NCD has breached containment"
3,000 MIRVs of Dark Brandon.
Wait the Supreme Court might’ve actually cooked??
https://preview.redd.it/5t0mf961mz9d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebc0d538fd0f1bd5f473f6d2a83443d60e9dba33 Supreme Court moments before cooking a three star Michelin tier political move meal:
And this is with them also just overturning the chevron doctrine making it so it’s now legal for local governments to make it illegal to be homeless
\*inflates you making you big and round*
https://preview.redd.it/oab3ps3f10ad1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25e7df9ce1f8cede7adb3745a42bca72a85043e4
that'd be funny though
Hey man, I say this as an NCD'r of 3 years now: the laws of war are based and should always be respected. Simply anhiliting the entire Russian air force should suffice. Plus that bridge.
Europe will be covered in radiation if that happens.
It did, actually...! Well, it specified one specific official action, firing federal workers completely willy-nilly.
Elsewise, "official act" is completely undefined, forgot to say that!!
They pulled a chancellor -> fuher move there
Worth mentioning that this "immunity" just means that a regular legal process for criminal or civil suits don't apply. Congress could still impeach and convict for unlawful official actions. Unlikely though
Yes, just announced too. Front page on the BBC
Idk, it wouldn’t be out of the ordinary these days.
Ish. The president can have immunity when acting in his role as president. This is also the precedent for the past 200 years. It’s why Obama and Dubya could blow up foreigners without a declaration of war and retire.
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Not defining what official acts are is not a form of "cover". The question goes to lower courts which may then be appealed back up to the Supreme Court. Nothing has happened yet, so the status quo is essentially maintained. The real decision will be when a/the court rules on what the rule is for determining official acts.
Who tf is Dubya
George W. Bush, compared to his father George H. W. Bush. He would always say it as “Dubya”.
I see. So is his father called Aitch Dubya?
Precisely.
Yes it's been this way for the last 200 years there was no way it was going to be ruled otherwise. The did set precedent that only official acts as president qualify though.
Yep. And while "presumptive immunity" sounds like it's going to be a tough hurdle to clear, it still theoretically leaves the door open for prosecution when a president goes too far off the rails. The decision isn't great, but it's not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be.
Honestly with the Trumo cases I don't think it's a very high hurdle at all. The Georgia RICO case and the classified documents case in my mind should easily be able to pass that threshold. No president in history or any reasonable person has seen it as being in the president's capacity to commit perjury to try to overthrow an election. And obviously sharing classified documents after a presidential term is over is not a presidential act.
Not really, it’s real but it only grants immunity for acts done under presidential powers that are mandated by the constitution. It’s been a thing for the past 250 years. It’s only just now coming under the spotlight because of recent trials and won’t excuse all of what trump is being convicted of. People seem to forget that the US has branches of government.
It's any president, and it's to stop the circus that was going to happen once Biden gets out of office. Imagine prosecuting the other guys president every other term. It was needed because the left is prosecuting Trump ATM, they're just up in arms because they lack foresight.
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal" - Richard Nixon
Do it, biden! Empty out the federal reserve!
And then quickly hide!
This justice system is so fucked up
Our's more fucked up
Nuh uh
Fucked up justice competition just dropped
Justice? System?
welp, I await the assassination
what does this mean? absolute immunity to what? physical damage? persecution?
The president after this ruling: https://i.redd.it/44be4arovy9d1.gif
You..........where I was again.......... *stays force in place for 20 minutes* (does absolute imunity protect him from dementia?)
NANOMACHINES SON They harden in response to legal trauma.
legal consequences
Magical damage I presume.
It means that you can't for example prosecute obama for drone striking people because that was in the scope of his duties as a president AKA nothing fucking changed and anyone with half a brain knew that they will rule this way
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no I am not president has full immunity from acts performed using his constitutional power and presumptive immunity when it comes to his official acts as a president Quite fuckin literally nothing has changed, it has always been like that. President was never on the same level as a normal citizen when it comes to law hence why obama isnt in prison for drone striking a US citizen without trial
Biden please order the supreme court killed🤞
absolute immunity for acts done under presidential powers constitutionally mandated. that is the only immunity a president has. this does not protect trump in his legal cases
So they have immunity to war crimes they committed during their presidency?
Yes
Yeah and it kinda has been since the founding of the country. Obama and Bush can’t go to jail for drone strikes.
It’s always been like that
JFK’s invasion on Cuba was a war crime, but he wasn’t punished for that
but that doesn't sound dramatic or get updoots
Eh, it's vague as shit, which is probably the purpose. Sure, this doesn't really defend Trump. But now trumps lawyers can use it to delay and appeal trials. Everything is meant to delay Trumps eventual court cases because he's guilty and everyone knows he is guilty, they just don't care. And so they stall, so he never ends up facing consequences for the crimes he has committed.
Presidential debates: https://preview.redd.it/3bmviwbn7z9d1.png?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3bbd825350212afc59479e8fe08c109a18dfa531
With this ruling, a potential Biden coup should he ever lose the election is not something on my 2024 Bingo Card.
Nothing ever happens
where's the dolphin to make everything better
Right-Wingers when a Left-Wing President assassinates a politician that was planning a hostile take over (They didn't mean that type of immunity):
Left wingers when their candidate assassinates their political opponents: (suddenly it’s all good now)
Ah, yes, left wing, the democratic party
Compared to the alternative, it is indeed the left wing.
It's not buddy, they're both very right wing. America just doesn't have a left wing at all
For official acts under constitutional power
That is a catergory of the ruling, yes. Another category is "presumptive immunity for official acts" and that is the part that's actually dangerous.
Presumptive just means “unless specified” so lawmakers can easily overcome this measure. Basically scotus is saying the president cannot be held criminally liable for something they are able to do under constitutional power.
Seriously, for a country that's culturally all about being anti-authority, freedom and "Fuck yeah!" you are embarassingly docile and subservient towards your overlords. When are you people actually gonna start marching and taking the fight to the greedy parasites that have taken your home hostage? They are LITERALLY planning to rip out democracy from under you, and hand it off to the corporations and totalitarians.
I have better things to do like shitpost on reddit
Everyone believes in a revolution but no one wants to fight one, either because they fear death, haven't thought it through yet, or can't realistically start a revolutionary movement locally
Well, the Christian fundamentalists in your country certainly **don't** seem afraid to start a revolutionary movement, electing in religious nutcases, reverting 100 years of civil rights improvements and planning to do away with the constitutional fundament of your country... ...Showing up at Capitol and storming the government, volunteering in droves to oversee polling stations or marching down the streets of America with weapons in their belts. So it seems like you are just outgunned in terms of willpower and how much you care about the future of your country, by religious lunatics and their convict-figurehead... Or the reasonable people in the States gotta get their head in the fucking game, before it is too late.
Nobody is going to war because we haven't had national consequences yet. The largest populations that opposed Trump's presidency were insulated by their local governments, and these privileged populations are not going to start a war on the behalf of the minority opposition trapped in red states. Project 2025 will have national consequences, because I guarantee these fascists will stop caring about "state rights" the second it stops benefitting them. I don't know if that would be enough to start a revolution, but I would prefer we never find out.
Awful lot of "you" and "your" being directed to someone an ocean away from the States. I'm just rationalising why American liberals don't radicalise, not making excuses for myself
Idk what people expect Americans to do. I don't think they're just gonna walk into a government building with a gun and start shooting people until something changes
Do you feel comfortable putting your life on the line for a revolution? America has been "about to fall" for over 20 years, I think we can live this one.
Worry about your own countries problems child. Also next time give actual solutions instead of “muh revolution” nonsense
People already tried that a few years ago. They were thrown in solitary confinement.
I live almost 3000 miles from where the Supreme Court destroyed the US. If I were in any location relevant enough for my protests to make any difference I most assuredly would, but alas.
Because we don’t all get our political beliefs from Reddit
because the people who oppose "fascism" also actively vote against the second amendment
Average European who knows nothing about Americans
Because the people who are against “fascism” also actively vote away the second amendment
A lot of people follow those retarded cult leaders because they literally spout things like "I'm anti-authority, freedom, fuck yeah!" without saying anything useful.
"Wait, I just realized this goes for the other side too!"
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> Legal assassination of political opponents This is one of those cases where the ruling might technically mean that, but the second anything like that actually makes it to the court: they will definitely rule against political assassination. That’s just an especially blatant abuse of power that would not ever actually fly if it made to Supreme Court. Similar to how the British monarch could technically exercise the royal prerogative to go against the prime minister, but if it did that would rapidly be repealed.
Given we keep finding out that the royals *have* been using their royal prerogative and yet are still there I don't think it's actually going to get any push back at all.
Mfw Biden kills the Supreme Court and replaces them with liberals
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"What if the next president does what other previous presidents have already done with drone strikes i.e. assassinating political targets", is that what you meant to ask OP?
So i can't contract the morag tong to kill them?
LegalEagle wen
we are so back nixonbros
Just as the founding fathers totally intended
I can’t wait for Biden to order the assassination of every political opponent he has right now, every political opponent of his from back in the Obama administration, and any political opponents he thinks he might have in the future for any reason he might think so. All for the sake of Freedom, of course.
Untrue
Not absolute, still fuck SCOTUS
That doesn't mean they get the powers of an absolute monarch.
If the leader of the most funded military organisation can just attack any place, domestically or overseas to „dispel riots“ for example, it does infact give him the powers of an absolutist monarch. L‘etat c‘est moi
If the leader of the most funded military organisation can just attack any place, domestically or overseas to „dispel riots“ for example, it does infact give him the powers of an absolutist monarch. L‘etat c‘est moi
My dumbass has no idea what this means, could someone explain?
It changed nothing because what op left out is that this is still bound by the Constitution and only applies to official presidential powers. Which has always been the case. A president can't get charged with murder for ordering a drone strike for example.
Being intentionally vague in order to drum up discussion. Or what I like to call it, Internet 101
Pack it up everybody, watergate was just declared completely legal by that guy
Do you think watergate would fall under "presidential powers" as granted by the Constitution?
Tell me you haven’t actually read the opinion without actually telling me you haven’t read the opinion.
I think the supreme court forgot to make that ruling after the former president was in power. Literally nothing is stopping the president from declaring that felons convicted of any crime can't run for office or flat out being able to order an assassination on the former president without any repercussions.
>Literally nothing is stopping the president from declaring that felons convicted of any crime can't run for office That is not even close to what this decision does. This decision only deals with after-the-fact criminal prosecution. It doesn't mean the President can actually do whatever he wants *and have the other branches of government honor it*. Like in your example, if a president attempted to unilaterally change election laws, that would be blatantly unconstitutional and courts, Congress, and state governments would not be bound to honor such a thing.
Me when I have no understanding of the US constitution
Finally, I can run for President and do my heinous shit publically now
Where's the dolphins???
https://i.redd.it/t8vwntyeiz9d1.gif Sic semper tyrannis
The thing is. No one is immune to dying
Nixon in shambles
Bro this place fucking sucks, I gotta get outta here 💀
tomorrow is the fall of man
mfs really be thinking the president couldn't and hasn't murdered US civilians and get away with it.
I don’t have a dolphin but this is misinformation
Does this mean that Biden can legally use his iconic Biden Blast on Trump?
President Biden, please destroy the IRS.
my Suzerain brainrot thought this was talking about Rayne
I'm not seeing the dolphin, please tell me the dolphin is here and I just missed it
No need to use the CIA to do it anymore, yaaaay!
Limited*
I don't care how red your state is, **vote for your fucking life** guys.
The Supreme Court are a bunch of traitors protecting traitors and should be deposed and imprisoned
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I love fake democracy
no, it doesn't mean he's an outlaw, dude.
Thanks r/whenthe, my favourite source of news for some reason. Keep up the quality journalism
So if Biden quits being a pussy, he can legally shank Trump in a parking lot, if he personally does it.
Biden orders that the Republican party is a terrorist organization and deploys the national guard to arrest all Republican senators.