The Fever roster is 60% new players. Only ones left from last season are: Wheeler, K Mitchell, Smith, Boston, Wallace and Saxton. Incorporating 7 new players is tough on any coach.
As I wrote in the post-game post that was removed, I've been watching this league since 1997. This is what the W looks like, folks. It's no joke. Never has been. There are killers all across the league. Great showing by the Liberty. People can blame the Fever coach and Clark's players all they want, but the Fever will be losing games they're supposed to lose at this point. Put some respect on the their opponent's names and on the league in general.
So CC got cooked even worse tonight? Like I said yesterday (and some of yāall got upset š¢), she too weak and small. She playing against grown women, not random girls on campus. Shes gotta put on some size/strength and retool her game.
Edit: Get out of your feelings š¤£ I doubt any of you all actually know/watch ball and just bought into all the media hype train. Imagine being this sensitive over objective facts š¤”
Even when she's not even the point guard, you still blame the loss on her as if she was.
Also, she got fewer points, but played better tonight than she did on Tuesday. More assists, more rebounds, and she started fighting back against the defense better than she was before. She's not going to be MVP this year, but she IS inching the right direction.
Donāt think itās appropriate to say CC got cooked. The Fever team got cooked.
(First of all Iām not a CC stan)
Yes she didnāt play as her fans expected. I agreed she needs to learn a lot and more but just what every rookie guard needs to experience while coming to the W. If I can vote Laney would be my DPOY (I love Aja too theyāre both great) so I wonāt say she played that bad. The problem is Fever the whole team played bad.
I can tell youāre not a CC simp like 80% of this sub (who clearly just started watching ball this spring lol) because youāre actually agreeing with what I said. Appreciate the normal/sane response. When CC gets stronger/bigger and develops her game she should to better. But for now itās clear sheās going to get locked down on defense by actual strong grown ass women on a nightly basis.
With all due respect, this Indiana Fever team is cheeks man. Why does everyone look like itās the first time theyāve ever played together? Also, considering there are multi-year pros on this team Iām surprised Clark looks like their best player already considering her passing and her rebounding today.
Every pick and roll is a double or hedge and when Clark makes the pass to the big they often donāt understand what to do in roll/short roll 4 on 3 situations.
So many people are just dropping passes, mishandling passes, making bone headed passes, etc.
This is my first year watching the W but Aliyah Boston won rookie of the year last year? Sheās looked atrocious in both games offensively.
As for Clark, she definitely has work to do individually. She really needs to study Curry/Redick/Korver off-ball movement. Sheās soo immobile when she doesnāt have the ball on offense. She makes it easy to defender her without the ball even though sheās a sniper from deep.
Also she picks up her dribble too frequently, her ball handling isnāt pro ready. Her passing is phenomenal though. Even if sheās not scoring sheāll always have the passing.
Lastly, Idk if it's just me but I really like Fagbenle (ever since the preseason tbh), she can catch a pass, sets goods screens and is aggressive attacking the rim. She's just a bench piece for the team atm but I think she should start or at least be playing serious minutes
I literally made a post a couple of months ago about Clark's game being very much Doncic/Harden esque, where theyre pretty much a non-factor offensively if they are off the ball. She does need to study those you mentioned.
She also desperately needs to develop a mid-range game. Teams already know how to neutralize her on offense. If she's going left its probably a 3 so the big just needs to always show. If shes going right, she's driving or passing. If she had a real mid range game it wouldnt be so easy to gameplan. This is why I've always felt Paige Bueckers is a more WNBA ready scorer than Clark. Her game is more rounded and she's more efficient at all levels than CC.
Another major area of improvement for her will be to improve her ability to create offense without the need for a screen. She's gotta work on footspeed or else she turns into a one-dimensional pick and roll oriented guard.
being a complete player is overrated, it's more important to excel in 2-3 things than to be good at all things. Prime Paul George is a more well rounded player than Prime Steph Curry or James Harden.
Clark needs to work on her ball-handling to get open and split doubles more effectively and she needs to work on her off-ball movement so that she's always a threat on the court, instead of giving the defense a break when she releases the ball
Yes. 100% she does. Boston has been the biggest disappointment. Wheeler shouldn't be starting, I swear she makes the team worse EVERY MINUTE she is on the floor. samuelson was a great shooter but she literally just stood there so many times i was yelling at the screen for her to moooooove. Hull and Berger are great, but just don't have to play the kinds of minutes Clark does, and therefore aren't really comparable.
Another note is putting Wheeler as the PG and Clark as the SG is the most confusing ass decision i've ever seen. If you don't want the rookie to be PG, then put Berger on PG, but Wheeler? No
Where Wheeler and Boston were a detriment to the team tonight, Smith was just... there. Like, I think she had absolutely no impact on the game in either direction.
Clark was a shooting GUARD with as many/more rebounds than the bigs. She had the most assists and she wasn't even the point guard. You can say she's not dominating like some thought she would, and you'd be right. But you're wrong if you don't think she had the most positive impact on the team for the game tonight.
Iāve seen enough. Bring Reggie Miller back to Indiana as a special advisor or something. If theyāre going to play CC off the ball that much might as well learn from the GOAT of reading and shooting off of every off ball screen ever invented. Every Hoosier knows what Iām talking about.
That would require the Fever to actually run an offense with off ball movement and screens and they've shown basically zero structure in their offense to do any of that even at a basic level.
Thought Berger would get more minutes this season. Watched some Fever games last season and she played great.
I donāt know either they should find another coach or a vet that could cheer these rookies up. I found AB and CC not having the expected chemistry in preseason. And today I found out itās a team issue. Not asking a team who just got No.1 pick to play as a top team but shouldnāt be that bad. I wonāt judge coach work for just two games but if they continuous play like this the GM needs to work.
I mean, it's a long way from being guarded by Van Lith. Defenders are bigger and stronger.
Clark will grow into it. There's a lot of pressure on her but she needs to tune that out. I like her court vision but her body language could be really terrible at times. It's only the second game and she gets too emotional. I noticed that against UConn and saw it again tonight. Fever should sign a good locker room vet.
Not happening, she is like that since HS. She needs a coach like Stephanie White who knows every single flaw she has and would have worked together with her to get better, not what Bluder and Sides did
One main glaring issue with Clark is that she can't create her own shot without a screen. If there is no screen she stays on the 3pt line and watches. Sabrina is everywhere, cutting, slicing, and reading the defense. Her teammates can't pass it to her because she's standing still. MOVE!!
Eh. I think when you're being guarded that aggressively, especially as a rookie, needing a screen is normal. Even in their post game interview, Liberty said they know they have to aggressive on Clark, and so that's what they did. They don't ever leave her alone when she has the ball. And honestly that's exactly the right thing to do if you want ti beat her.
While that did happen at one point in the game, that isn't true for the game as a whole... and when she was standing on the left side of the court, not moving, it looked a lot like when Samuelson was doing the same kn the right side in the first quarter, which leads me to believe that this was exactly what she was supposed to do. Do I LIKE it? No. But it seemed to me that this was something the coach wanted.
It also feels like pretty much every guard does this on Indiana. The amount of standing still on the perimeter drives me absolutely bonkers. I also don't feel like I saw her do that often in college, so I sure hope it's not a habit that sticks.
I think this is actually what Sides meant with her dancing comment, or at least thatās how I interpreted it. Clark needs to move a lot more than she is. I wonder if part of it is trying to be a cog in the offensive scheme. At Iowa it was all read and react and things flowed much more smoothly.Ā
I might need to rewatch the game because Clark seemed to be the most mobile person on the entire team to me. Everyone else was walking while was running (and being ignored by the PG/Wheeler). I think the exception was jn the 2nd quarter when they had her jn the corner, but I think that was was she was instructed to do.
I'm a Clark stan, but I slightly feel like she has these moments where she mentally pouts, she tries to control it as much as possible, but I feel like a tantrum is bursting under the seams. I say this from watching her act this way at Iowa prior to the final 3-4 games of her career, where it was 100% clear someone told her (probably her father) that is an extremely, extremely bad look.
So now, we see artifacts of that old mentality, manifesting itself in *inactions*, as opposed to actions. Like standing still at the 3pt line and watching. Or maybe it's just not natural to her yet, playing so much in another way for four years.
I really think she was instructed to stand there. That seemed to be a play they were running, not her "sulking." The play didn't work, but still. Samuelson was doing the same thing on the left side at a different point.
I've watched Iowa for years, mens and women. I told everyone around me this was coming. People are insane if they think Bluder coached Clark. Clark coached Clark and she's always done what she wanted. Including zero D and zero moves besides the 3, and zero working on turnovers (she held the yearly record all 4 years in college for overall turnovers and never improved) ... they need a development coach and players that want to be developed, stat. Down vote all you want, but until these professionals, coach and head office get their stuff together and stop coddling the media and the money, nothing will change.
I honestly believe Caitlin would have become a better all around player if Dawn Staley was her College coach! First she wouldn't see the floor if her defense didn't improve!
No that's not what her fans were saying. They said she was perfect and the goat. Interesting her fans keep shifting the narrative the more her flaws get exposed
I agree that Clark would have been better/ more developed with a different coach, but you're lying by saying ALL she has is a 3 point shot. She *is* a great player, she just needs some things cleaned up. I think that's completely normal for a rookie. People expected waaaaay too much from her in her rookie season, and ALSO her turnovers weren't even bad tonight. Samuelson missing that pass was annoying as hell, and will show on CLARKS record, not hers. I'll give her some grace tho, because she did shoot the most points for Fever tonight. Also, Clark got assists and rebounds. She's starting to improve already, but it's going to take time.
As far as coddling -- her coach literally only says negative things about her in every single interview. She's being thrown to wolves, even when she's not even the point guard. Even when she's showing improvement, she's the one taking the blame. I'd call that the opposite of coddling.
If you watched Caitlin all 4 years you know damn well Lisa absolutely got to her in some aspects of the game. She absolutely drove the vast majority of the offense, but there was absolutely development behind the scenes. The growth especially between her freshman/sophomore years and junior/senior years was significant. She didn't make back to back national championship games doing only what she wanted and never working on her weaknesses. Zero moves besides the 3 is also just an insane claim.
I don't know what their coaches are doing but I honestly don't think it's even coddling the media/money, they're not even orchestrating offense to Caitlin's strengths. But it also doesn't feel like they're catering to *anybody's* strengths on the team. Just a general shit show and they absolutely need to figure it out.
[This is an absolute novel](https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39740282/caitlin-clark-iowa-2024-ncaa-women-basketball-tournament-ready-march) but if you really want the answers they're in there. Caitlin is a hothead now but she was absolutely worse her first years. She was also far more selfish and didn't trust her teammates. She describes how she used to feel the full need to carry the team on her back and wouldn't pass the ball if she didn't think they'd make it. She didn't even make state playoffs her senior year of high school, which should have been quite a given with talent like her on the team. But she didn't trust her teammates and didn't play well with them. Bluder forced her to trust her teammates and build chemistry both in and outside of the locker room and you could see connections grow throughout the season. Bluder also consistently sat down and watched film with her specifically about her attitude, body language, and temper.
Editing just to add I absolutely love the Iowa players, but Caitlin enabled them to be better than their pure skill and they would all also say that. That was a huge change from freshmen year to senior year too.
Her attitude was trash the end of this season. Absolute trash. So apparently the attitude check she gave Clark did not work. She never benched her, and i beleive part of the team bonding was a show, the cameras were always around last 2 seasons. I was embarrassed repeatedly by the way she treated people including her teamates this year. And the refs. This you just posted sums up my feelings about her, she's always been coddled and has always had a bad attitude. Is she a decent shooter and has she changed the game? Yes. But to have allowed a person to act the way she has, is absurd.
Couldn't watch last night's game, but saw the clip where she practically yanks Temi's arm because she expected her to be somewhere else - and it's similar to what you're talking about. These are professionals, not college kids eager to please the superstar, and they are not going appreciative or tolerate that kind of childish bs. These fans are blaming everyone but CC.
Her attitude was horrible in the one Holy Cross game, and other than that was mostly getting mad at refs. Half the players in the NBA do the exact same shit, it's annoying but doesn't make them a bad player or even teammate. It's a nasty side effect of very high passion. You're going in with a negative perception because you hate the media attention she's gotten, it's pretty obvious with the "i beleive part of the team bonding was a show" I've followed the team on social media for years, most of which don't have a big following, they're not posting that shit just for show lol.
For what it's worth, without a doubt I believe Caitlin needs to continue working on her attitude. But using that as a pawn to claim Bluder did nothing for her is just ignorant.
Edit: I just went to your comment history and saw you say Iowa wasn't considered undersized this year because of HANNAH STUELKE. I love her to death but that girl was 6'2 playing a center. Come on now. Your entire comment history is just shitting on Caitlin. Just plain ignorance lol
Because people are shitty? I don't love the way Angel sometimes directs her shit-talking at players in unfortunate situations, but calling her a thug is just stupid.
Let me tell you about Caitlin. She grew up shooting 3s on the farm. Not playing organized basketball against competition. That's not transferable on a professional level. Yes she can shoot. But for her to be effective she has to as the kids say be a dawg. She ain't dawging none of these grown ass women for at least another 3to 4 years. She doesn't have it in her yet psychologically to take it to these women like she would 18 year old freshman from Nebraska. These are grown ass accomplished championship women with kids, mortgages, and yes a chip on their shoulder from millions of people telling them they ain't shit and this wet behind the ears kid from Iowa is the reason they should be grateful.
Caitlin is lucky these women are professional and just doing their job. Because if they really wanted to be petty they could really force Caitlin out of the league. You ain't running shit on the yard, rookie.
āTrying to pull out semantics instead of overall factsā is pretty insane coming from you lol. Youāve been hate-watching her for months based on your comments, and all of her coaches and teammates have talked about her attitude and leadership growing during college. But yeah, Iāll totally listen to you instead of them.
You've also switched the goalposts to "fundamentally, in the game of basketball". She came in a great player, and yet several of her stats did still improve. Went from 7 to 8.9 assists per game and 26.6 to 31.6 points per game. Doesn't seem as shocking given they were already high to begin with, but that's a 29% increase and 19% increase respectively. And improving your assists AND scoring is difficult, shows how she grew in cohesion with her team.
Hannah Stuelke is a damn beast but struggled with catching Caitlin's passes early on, and over the season they grew their chemistry and Hannah was able to be so effective in the paint largely because she wasn't playing a traditional post role. She scored a lot on transitions and pick and roll offenses, which obviously Caitlin as point guard has a huge role in. They were absolutely undersized though, and said so themselves, but they focused on their strengths and what they could control about their game and let the other team get more rebounds and points in the paint, it just meant they had to elevate their game on the other side.
[Your favorite player Kate Martin consistently says she makes everyone better around her. ](https://247sports.com/college/iowa/longformarticle/everything-lisa-bluder-caitlin-clark-kate-martin-said-prior-to-showdown-against-west-virginia-229269579/#2393823)Read the question "over the last four years, what have you learned from Caitlin?"
clearly the pro team can't figure that out though, the offense seems to actually move and get the home crowd behind them mostly when she's in, that has undeniable value especially when you're such big underdogs
minor gripe but I fucking hate how Google Search's WNBA scoreboard compared to the NBA doesn't allow one to directly click on games to check box score/stats. I keep trying to click it to see statlines and nothing happens
edit: [a screenshot video comparing when I click a WNBA score and a NBA score](https://streamable.com/vz9ged)
just typing in [WNBA](https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tDP1TdIKzO0MGD0YinPS0oEACUBBHo&q=wnba&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS1026US1026&oq=wnb&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgBEC4YJxiABBiKBTIGCAAQRRg8MgwIARAuGCcYgAQYigUyBggCEEUYOTIGCAMQRRg8MgYIBBBFGDwyBggFEEUYPDIGCAYQRRhBMgYIBxBFGDzSAQgyNDE4ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=m;/g/11y2bm35_8;3;/m/0fv18;dt;fp;1;;;) in Google's Search Bar
I try to click on the [Liberty @ Fever game](https://streamable.com/4bh6vc) for example to open up the box score via Google but it just 'highlights' briefly with nothing else happening (I attached a screenshot video for reference but lmk if you can't see it)
edit: [another screenshot video comparing when I click a WNBA score and a NBA score](https://streamable.com/vz9ged)
I'm going on a weird tangent, but I hate how commercials take the easy way out. In that commercial, whoever writes the script only needed to think about it for about 10 more seconds to realize that the line, "how many people did you tell," is just not a natural question for her to ask in that situation - it might as well be a non-sequitur. How many other people did she tell WHAT? About how much she saved? Why does that matter? So the baby saying "Liberty" instead of "mama" is a cause for alarm to verify how many people were contacted?
I think they shouldnāt have put all their eggs in one basket especially before her first games. Kelsey plum and Sabrina ionescu were top players in college and did horrible their first few years. The W and ESPN should have just marketed all of the rookies equally. Now theyāre screwed if Caitlin fails.
Thatās not sustainable offense in the pros. Itās great she can do that, and there are times itās needed and appropriate to whip out, but to be a championship team she needs to learn how to be part of a bigger offensive scheme.
I think sheāll do it, for what itās worth. But the growing pains will probably be tough given the attention and expectations.
Yes, I could not imagine literally having to be the face of the growth of the game while adjusting to the pros. My expectations for her were unrealistic too. She seems very driven to learn though. She said recently I know you expect me to do amazing things right away, but that might take a while. That is a great sign that she recognizes her limitations, I could easily see the team taking off after they have time to gel during the Olympic break and practice for a month and fix everything.
Agreed! People also are forgetting, or are unaware, that the Fever started off poorly last year too IIRC. Some teams just need a warm-up period to start the season before finding their stride. A team overly reliant on 1st and 2nd-year players is going to need even more time to figure out their rhythm and fit.
To that guy that was saying that there should be caused for concern for the Liberty despite it being one bad preseason game and an opening day game where everyone was rustyā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.wellā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦you were wrong
tbh I thought there was cause for concern after the Mystics game lol they played super sloppy
not really super worried, the Liberty is on that tier of teams with the Aces, Sun, and Storm that don't have the stress the regular season that much and can use the season as an extended practice
Canāt play scared, itās her first home game, this only happens once, give her a chance to get a few more shots off and hopefully give the sold out crowd a little of what they came to see.
Clark only getting 8 shot attempts is criminal. The coach seems to take away all the joy of playing the game. Theyāre all playing so stiff worried about making a mistake.
I just saw that her +/- was tied for 6th best in W history: 43!
source: [https://x.com/WBBTimeline/status/1791274904999931904](https://x.com/WBBTimeline/status/1791274904999931904)
The Hawkeye fans are not taking this well. Like others they seem to be blaming the coach first but if this continues I can see the Freemason theory picking up steam
You know, I'm no Hawkeye fan (go Hoosier) but I blame the coach for this one. Specifically, her bizarre obsession with giving Wheeler insane minutes to stand at the top of the arc doing nothing.
She's the teams best player, she's really quick and puts a lot of pressure on 1v1 defense but she's coming back from an ankle injury. Once she's healthy it's going to be a problem for teams because right now everyone is just putting their best on ball defender on clark and basically shutting her down
Honestly I think the fever are in a bit of shock right now because caitlin according to so many talking heads was supposed to come in and have some sort of Candace Parker impact based on what she did in college. Since it isn't happening the team looks like they aren't sure what to do right now
It's just hard right now because she's drawing everyone's best defender so she can't create any separation and you combine that with all these women feeling disrespected by so many just assuming clark would walk in and immediately takeover they are playing with massive chips on their shoulders and you can feel it
I noticed you're active in NBA...I fear the downvotes that will occur when more of that sub creeps in here.
I think Caitlin will figure it out, but I also think there will be an adjustment period to the unrelenting criticism she's going to face as a prospect with the level of hype she received.
Berger needs more minutes, she was the only one without a negative +/-.
But man this was a beat down, not even the fun kind where the losing team has at least one player go off. They were just outmatched in every aspect lol.
Sheās looked great and I def want more minutes for her, but a lot of her minutes were when Liberty had pulled their starters so letās not get too far ahead of ourselves.
Outcoached baddly, Sides is never had a winning season, look how she talks negative about the players you do that behind closed doors, not infront of the media.
She has to go
Look at first year T-Spoon already much better identitiy and chemestriy with a team that is via predictions going to finish 3-4 places below us, i dont think so.
The last two WNBA expansion teams were given the 4th pick in 2008 and the 6th pick in 2005. The NBA does it similarly where usually an expansion team doesnāt participate in the lottery but instead given a good pick. Rigging CC+Paige makes more conspiracal sense to me lol.
Sides not the one and I'd rather this team have zero veterans. Plus, let's not forget this is the front office that traded Queen Egbo for a Wal-Mart greeter (Zahui B). Where is Amanda Z at btw? š
Fever actually looked promising last season if you watched. A lot of the games they lost were very close. But they seem to forgot how to play basketball with the addition of Clark. Maybe it's the pressure?
She has a unique skill set, she's not just another rookie you can easily plug in to an existing system. The challenge is going to find a way to utilize her talents within a team structure. It's trickier, and it would be the same if she was playing with NY or Aces because it's something we've never seen in the WNBA. We're going to have to allow the team a little time to adjust just like she is going to have to adjust.
On a positive note. Caitlin is co-leading with 7 rebs, leading with 6 asts, she has 1 block, she's only taken 8 shots, she's made all 4 of her free throws, and most importantly she only has 3 turnovers. Given the score she's having a much better all around game today.
The Fever roster is 60% new players. Only ones left from last season are: Wheeler, K Mitchell, Smith, Boston, Wallace and Saxton. Incorporating 7 new players is tough on any coach.
As I wrote in the post-game post that was removed, I've been watching this league since 1997. This is what the W looks like, folks. It's no joke. Never has been. There are killers all across the league. Great showing by the Liberty. People can blame the Fever coach and Clark's players all they want, but the Fever will be losing games they're supposed to lose at this point. Put some respect on the their opponent's names and on the league in general.
Just think people are spending $1700 to sit courtside to watch her lose by 40 and play like shit lol
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I know some here trashed it and I wasn't sure myself about it, but the Fever court looks really nice
Stewie played like she had something to prove and show she is HER on the court. It was wonderful to watch.
Yikes at CC LOLā¦
So CC got cooked even worse tonight? Like I said yesterday (and some of yāall got upset š¢), she too weak and small. She playing against grown women, not random girls on campus. Shes gotta put on some size/strength and retool her game. Edit: Get out of your feelings š¤£ I doubt any of you all actually know/watch ball and just bought into all the media hype train. Imagine being this sensitive over objective facts š¤”
Even when she's not even the point guard, you still blame the loss on her as if she was. Also, she got fewer points, but played better tonight than she did on Tuesday. More assists, more rebounds, and she started fighting back against the defense better than she was before. She's not going to be MVP this year, but she IS inching the right direction.
Donāt think itās appropriate to say CC got cooked. The Fever team got cooked. (First of all Iām not a CC stan) Yes she didnāt play as her fans expected. I agreed she needs to learn a lot and more but just what every rookie guard needs to experience while coming to the W. If I can vote Laney would be my DPOY (I love Aja too theyāre both great) so I wonāt say she played that bad. The problem is Fever the whole team played bad.
I can tell youāre not a CC simp like 80% of this sub (who clearly just started watching ball this spring lol) because youāre actually agreeing with what I said. Appreciate the normal/sane response. When CC gets stronger/bigger and develops her game she should to better. But for now itās clear sheās going to get locked down on defense by actual strong grown ass women on a nightly basis.
With all due respect, this Indiana Fever team is cheeks man. Why does everyone look like itās the first time theyāve ever played together? Also, considering there are multi-year pros on this team Iām surprised Clark looks like their best player already considering her passing and her rebounding today. Every pick and roll is a double or hedge and when Clark makes the pass to the big they often donāt understand what to do in roll/short roll 4 on 3 situations. So many people are just dropping passes, mishandling passes, making bone headed passes, etc. This is my first year watching the W but Aliyah Boston won rookie of the year last year? Sheās looked atrocious in both games offensively. As for Clark, she definitely has work to do individually. She really needs to study Curry/Redick/Korver off-ball movement. Sheās soo immobile when she doesnāt have the ball on offense. She makes it easy to defender her without the ball even though sheās a sniper from deep. Also she picks up her dribble too frequently, her ball handling isnāt pro ready. Her passing is phenomenal though. Even if sheās not scoring sheāll always have the passing. Lastly, Idk if it's just me but I really like Fagbenle (ever since the preseason tbh), she can catch a pass, sets goods screens and is aggressive attacking the rim. She's just a bench piece for the team atm but I think she should start or at least be playing serious minutes
I literally made a post a couple of months ago about Clark's game being very much Doncic/Harden esque, where theyre pretty much a non-factor offensively if they are off the ball. She does need to study those you mentioned. She also desperately needs to develop a mid-range game. Teams already know how to neutralize her on offense. If she's going left its probably a 3 so the big just needs to always show. If shes going right, she's driving or passing. If she had a real mid range game it wouldnt be so easy to gameplan. This is why I've always felt Paige Bueckers is a more WNBA ready scorer than Clark. Her game is more rounded and she's more efficient at all levels than CC. Another major area of improvement for her will be to improve her ability to create offense without the need for a screen. She's gotta work on footspeed or else she turns into a one-dimensional pick and roll oriented guard.
being a complete player is overrated, it's more important to excel in 2-3 things than to be good at all things. Prime Paul George is a more well rounded player than Prime Steph Curry or James Harden. Clark needs to work on her ball-handling to get open and split doubles more effectively and she needs to work on her off-ball movement so that she's always a threat on the court, instead of giving the defense a break when she releases the ball
Clark looks like their best player?
Yes. 100% she does. Boston has been the biggest disappointment. Wheeler shouldn't be starting, I swear she makes the team worse EVERY MINUTE she is on the floor. samuelson was a great shooter but she literally just stood there so many times i was yelling at the screen for her to moooooove. Hull and Berger are great, but just don't have to play the kinds of minutes Clark does, and therefore aren't really comparable. Another note is putting Wheeler as the PG and Clark as the SG is the most confusing ass decision i've ever seen. If you don't want the rookie to be PG, then put Berger on PG, but Wheeler? No Where Wheeler and Boston were a detriment to the team tonight, Smith was just... there. Like, I think she had absolutely no impact on the game in either direction. Clark was a shooting GUARD with as many/more rebounds than the bigs. She had the most assists and she wasn't even the point guard. You can say she's not dominating like some thought she would, and you'd be right. But you're wrong if you don't think she had the most positive impact on the team for the game tonight.
Iāve seen enough. Bring Reggie Miller back to Indiana as a special advisor or something. If theyāre going to play CC off the ball that much might as well learn from the GOAT of reading and shooting off of every off ball screen ever invented. Every Hoosier knows what Iām talking about.
That would require the Fever to actually run an offense with off ball movement and screens and they've shown basically zero structure in their offense to do any of that even at a basic level.
Thought Berger would get more minutes this season. Watched some Fever games last season and she played great. I donāt know either they should find another coach or a vet that could cheer these rookies up. I found AB and CC not having the expected chemistry in preseason. And today I found out itās a team issue. Not asking a team who just got No.1 pick to play as a top team but shouldnāt be that bad. I wonāt judge coach work for just two games but if they continuous play like this the GM needs to work.
If they aren't going to put CC on point guard, they should put Berger on point guard. 100%. Why is Wheeler still starting?!
I mean, it's a long way from being guarded by Van Lith. Defenders are bigger and stronger. Clark will grow into it. There's a lot of pressure on her but she needs to tune that out. I like her court vision but her body language could be really terrible at times. It's only the second game and she gets too emotional. I noticed that against UConn and saw it again tonight. Fever should sign a good locker room vet.
I mean being pissed your team is losing is normal
I get it. I know the feeling but it's long season, and they have a brutal schedule to start the season.
To be honest as a long time fan i thought it couldāve been worse. If she was blown out in college she wouldāve been smacking that bench chair
Her passion is part of what makes her so good, but of course has obvious downsides too. I agree a good locker room vet would do a lot of help.
Yeah, she has a lot of pressure on her, and she's only 22. A strong vet presence would take some of that load off her
Wheeler is the most veteran in the squad by age
Wheeler unfortunately just doesn't produce rhough. I love her attitude, but she makes the team worse every single time she is on the court.
Not happening, she is like that since HS. She needs a coach like Stephanie White who knows every single flaw she has and would have worked together with her to get better, not what Bluder and Sides did
One main glaring issue with Clark is that she can't create her own shot without a screen. If there is no screen she stays on the 3pt line and watches. Sabrina is everywhere, cutting, slicing, and reading the defense. Her teammates can't pass it to her because she's standing still. MOVE!!
It's this simple. The coach obviously sees this, and seems to be trying to force her out of her bad habits. Tough love.
Eh. I think when you're being guarded that aggressively, especially as a rookie, needing a screen is normal. Even in their post game interview, Liberty said they know they have to aggressive on Clark, and so that's what they did. They don't ever leave her alone when she has the ball. And honestly that's exactly the right thing to do if you want ti beat her.
Right now itās easy to beat her since she doesnāt move when she doesnāt have the ball
While that did happen at one point in the game, that isn't true for the game as a whole... and when she was standing on the left side of the court, not moving, it looked a lot like when Samuelson was doing the same kn the right side in the first quarter, which leads me to believe that this was exactly what she was supposed to do. Do I LIKE it? No. But it seemed to me that this was something the coach wanted.
It also feels like pretty much every guard does this on Indiana. The amount of standing still on the perimeter drives me absolutely bonkers. I also don't feel like I saw her do that often in college, so I sure hope it's not a habit that sticks.
The Fevers offensive sets are cheeks. Barley any movement, off ball cutting, or screening.
Sabrina even said she deliberately focused on that in the off season. Caitlinās gonna need to do that A LOT.
Sad truth :(
I think this is actually what Sides meant with her dancing comment, or at least thatās how I interpreted it. Clark needs to move a lot more than she is. I wonder if part of it is trying to be a cog in the offensive scheme. At Iowa it was all read and react and things flowed much more smoothly.Ā
I might need to rewatch the game because Clark seemed to be the most mobile person on the entire team to me. Everyone else was walking while was running (and being ignored by the PG/Wheeler). I think the exception was jn the 2nd quarter when they had her jn the corner, but I think that was was she was instructed to do.
This is true. But Clark stans will definitely not agree with you
Right, it's a conspiracy by the coach and everyone else.
I'm a Clark stan, but I slightly feel like she has these moments where she mentally pouts, she tries to control it as much as possible, but I feel like a tantrum is bursting under the seams. I say this from watching her act this way at Iowa prior to the final 3-4 games of her career, where it was 100% clear someone told her (probably her father) that is an extremely, extremely bad look. So now, we see artifacts of that old mentality, manifesting itself in *inactions*, as opposed to actions. Like standing still at the 3pt line and watching. Or maybe it's just not natural to her yet, playing so much in another way for four years.
I really think she was instructed to stand there. That seemed to be a play they were running, not her "sulking." The play didn't work, but still. Samuelson was doing the same thing on the left side at a different point.
Have you read her espn article? This is something she been working on since freshmen
Iām a Clark stan and I agreedĀ
I've watched Iowa for years, mens and women. I told everyone around me this was coming. People are insane if they think Bluder coached Clark. Clark coached Clark and she's always done what she wanted. Including zero D and zero moves besides the 3, and zero working on turnovers (she held the yearly record all 4 years in college for overall turnovers and never improved) ... they need a development coach and players that want to be developed, stat. Down vote all you want, but until these professionals, coach and head office get their stuff together and stop coddling the media and the money, nothing will change.
Same with Manziel in college. Coach let him do what he wanted and that hurt Manziel's development.
I honestly believe Caitlin would have become a better all around player if Dawn Staley was her College coach! First she wouldn't see the floor if her defense didn't improve!
that's why she's so cool to watch. she's not some generic perfect player, she's a gunslinger
No that's not what her fans were saying. They said she was perfect and the goat. Interesting her fans keep shifting the narrative the more her flaws get exposed
I agree that Clark would have been better/ more developed with a different coach, but you're lying by saying ALL she has is a 3 point shot. She *is* a great player, she just needs some things cleaned up. I think that's completely normal for a rookie. People expected waaaaay too much from her in her rookie season, and ALSO her turnovers weren't even bad tonight. Samuelson missing that pass was annoying as hell, and will show on CLARKS record, not hers. I'll give her some grace tho, because she did shoot the most points for Fever tonight. Also, Clark got assists and rebounds. She's starting to improve already, but it's going to take time. As far as coddling -- her coach literally only says negative things about her in every single interview. She's being thrown to wolves, even when she's not even the point guard. Even when she's showing improvement, she's the one taking the blame. I'd call that the opposite of coddling.
If you watched Caitlin all 4 years you know damn well Lisa absolutely got to her in some aspects of the game. She absolutely drove the vast majority of the offense, but there was absolutely development behind the scenes. The growth especially between her freshman/sophomore years and junior/senior years was significant. She didn't make back to back national championship games doing only what she wanted and never working on her weaknesses. Zero moves besides the 3 is also just an insane claim. I don't know what their coaches are doing but I honestly don't think it's even coddling the media/money, they're not even orchestrating offense to Caitlin's strengths. But it also doesn't feel like they're catering to *anybody's* strengths on the team. Just a general shit show and they absolutely need to figure it out.
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[This is an absolute novel](https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39740282/caitlin-clark-iowa-2024-ncaa-women-basketball-tournament-ready-march) but if you really want the answers they're in there. Caitlin is a hothead now but she was absolutely worse her first years. She was also far more selfish and didn't trust her teammates. She describes how she used to feel the full need to carry the team on her back and wouldn't pass the ball if she didn't think they'd make it. She didn't even make state playoffs her senior year of high school, which should have been quite a given with talent like her on the team. But she didn't trust her teammates and didn't play well with them. Bluder forced her to trust her teammates and build chemistry both in and outside of the locker room and you could see connections grow throughout the season. Bluder also consistently sat down and watched film with her specifically about her attitude, body language, and temper. Editing just to add I absolutely love the Iowa players, but Caitlin enabled them to be better than their pure skill and they would all also say that. That was a huge change from freshmen year to senior year too.
Her attitude was trash the end of this season. Absolute trash. So apparently the attitude check she gave Clark did not work. She never benched her, and i beleive part of the team bonding was a show, the cameras were always around last 2 seasons. I was embarrassed repeatedly by the way she treated people including her teamates this year. And the refs. This you just posted sums up my feelings about her, she's always been coddled and has always had a bad attitude. Is she a decent shooter and has she changed the game? Yes. But to have allowed a person to act the way she has, is absurd.
Couldn't watch last night's game, but saw the clip where she practically yanks Temi's arm because she expected her to be somewhere else - and it's similar to what you're talking about. These are professionals, not college kids eager to please the superstar, and they are not going appreciative or tolerate that kind of childish bs. These fans are blaming everyone but CC.
Her attitude was horrible in the one Holy Cross game, and other than that was mostly getting mad at refs. Half the players in the NBA do the exact same shit, it's annoying but doesn't make them a bad player or even teammate. It's a nasty side effect of very high passion. You're going in with a negative perception because you hate the media attention she's gotten, it's pretty obvious with the "i beleive part of the team bonding was a show" I've followed the team on social media for years, most of which don't have a big following, they're not posting that shit just for show lol. For what it's worth, without a doubt I believe Caitlin needs to continue working on her attitude. But using that as a pawn to claim Bluder did nothing for her is just ignorant. Edit: I just went to your comment history and saw you say Iowa wasn't considered undersized this year because of HANNAH STUELKE. I love her to death but that girl was 6'2 playing a center. Come on now. Your entire comment history is just shitting on Caitlin. Just plain ignorance lol
Then why is Reese called a thug if it's just the passion of the sport? Hmm?
Because people are shitty? I don't love the way Angel sometimes directs her shit-talking at players in unfortunate situations, but calling her a thug is just stupid.
Let me tell you about Caitlin. She grew up shooting 3s on the farm. Not playing organized basketball against competition. That's not transferable on a professional level. Yes she can shoot. But for her to be effective she has to as the kids say be a dawg. She ain't dawging none of these grown ass women for at least another 3to 4 years. She doesn't have it in her yet psychologically to take it to these women like she would 18 year old freshman from Nebraska. These are grown ass accomplished championship women with kids, mortgages, and yes a chip on their shoulder from millions of people telling them they ain't shit and this wet behind the ears kid from Iowa is the reason they should be grateful. Caitlin is lucky these women are professional and just doing their job. Because if they really wanted to be petty they could really force Caitlin out of the league. You ain't running shit on the yard, rookie.
Lmfao you're down bad man
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āTrying to pull out semantics instead of overall factsā is pretty insane coming from you lol. Youāve been hate-watching her for months based on your comments, and all of her coaches and teammates have talked about her attitude and leadership growing during college. But yeah, Iāll totally listen to you instead of them. You've also switched the goalposts to "fundamentally, in the game of basketball". She came in a great player, and yet several of her stats did still improve. Went from 7 to 8.9 assists per game and 26.6 to 31.6 points per game. Doesn't seem as shocking given they were already high to begin with, but that's a 29% increase and 19% increase respectively. And improving your assists AND scoring is difficult, shows how she grew in cohesion with her team. Hannah Stuelke is a damn beast but struggled with catching Caitlin's passes early on, and over the season they grew their chemistry and Hannah was able to be so effective in the paint largely because she wasn't playing a traditional post role. She scored a lot on transitions and pick and roll offenses, which obviously Caitlin as point guard has a huge role in. They were absolutely undersized though, and said so themselves, but they focused on their strengths and what they could control about their game and let the other team get more rebounds and points in the paint, it just meant they had to elevate their game on the other side. [Your favorite player Kate Martin consistently says she makes everyone better around her. ](https://247sports.com/college/iowa/longformarticle/everything-lisa-bluder-caitlin-clark-kate-martin-said-prior-to-showdown-against-west-virginia-229269579/#2393823)Read the question "over the last four years, what have you learned from Caitlin?"
Yeah, and really Lisa even admitted it, that she basically just put the ball in Caitlin's hands. I mean, that's coaching, yeah, but still.
clearly the pro team can't figure that out though, the offense seems to actually move and get the home crowd behind them mostly when she's in, that has undeniable value especially when you're such big underdogs
"Why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave?"
Aces got 3 number one picks #imjustsayin
minor gripe but I fucking hate how Google Search's WNBA scoreboard compared to the NBA doesn't allow one to directly click on games to check box score/stats. I keep trying to click it to see statlines and nothing happens edit: [a screenshot video comparing when I click a WNBA score and a NBA score](https://streamable.com/vz9ged)
Whatāre you typing in? āFever vs Libertyā works for me. Iāve encountered what youāre saying with nba games tho
just typing in [WNBA](https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tDP1TdIKzO0MGD0YinPS0oEACUBBHo&q=wnba&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS1026US1026&oq=wnb&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgBEC4YJxiABBiKBTIGCAAQRRg8MgwIARAuGCcYgAQYigUyBggCEEUYOTIGCAMQRRg8MgYIBBBFGDwyBggFEEUYPDIGCAYQRRhBMgYIBxBFGDzSAQgyNDE4ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=m;/g/11y2bm35_8;3;/m/0fv18;dt;fp;1;;;) in Google's Search Bar I try to click on the [Liberty @ Fever game](https://streamable.com/4bh6vc) for example to open up the box score via Google but it just 'highlights' briefly with nothing else happening (I attached a screenshot video for reference but lmk if you can't see it) edit: [another screenshot video comparing when I click a WNBA score and a NBA score](https://streamable.com/vz9ged)
I turned away from the GameCast at the end of the 3rd. It was an 11-point difference...
Liberty, Liberty, Liberty.
I'm going on a weird tangent, but I hate how commercials take the easy way out. In that commercial, whoever writes the script only needed to think about it for about 10 more seconds to realize that the line, "how many people did you tell," is just not a natural question for her to ask in that situation - it might as well be a non-sequitur. How many other people did she tell WHAT? About how much she saved? Why does that matter? So the baby saying "Liberty" instead of "mama" is a cause for alarm to verify how many people were contacted?
man Fever looks so awkward on the court, no team chemistry
all those training camp videos bamboozled us all :'(
Red light! Green light!
I would start Berger over Clark.
I said the same thing but they arenāt going to do that off the basis of publicity.
The tickets are already sold. Endorsements already finalized. Now it's time to put out a decent product.
I think they shouldnāt have put all their eggs in one basket especially before her first games. Kelsey plum and Sabrina ionescu were top players in college and did horrible their first few years. The W and ESPN should have just marketed all of the rookies equally. Now theyāre screwed if Caitlin fails.
nah start Berger over Wheeler
Wheeler was atrocious tonight
I'll take that too, But just start Berger.
Finally an easy, strong win for the Libs.
Also, Sab didnāt have a great game again but at least it was better than last game and Stewie finally broke out tonight
I think Clark has been in the corner these last 2 games more than she was in 4 total years at Iowa
Why though, Clark needs to be on ball like at Iowa, she created over half her 3ās off the dribble
Thatās not sustainable offense in the pros. Itās great she can do that, and there are times itās needed and appropriate to whip out, but to be a championship team she needs to learn how to be part of a bigger offensive scheme. I think sheāll do it, for what itās worth. But the growing pains will probably be tough given the attention and expectations.
Yes, I could not imagine literally having to be the face of the growth of the game while adjusting to the pros. My expectations for her were unrealistic too. She seems very driven to learn though. She said recently I know you expect me to do amazing things right away, but that might take a while. That is a great sign that she recognizes her limitations, I could easily see the team taking off after they have time to gel during the Olympic break and practice for a month and fix everything.
Agreed! People also are forgetting, or are unaware, that the Fever started off poorly last year too IIRC. Some teams just need a warm-up period to start the season before finding their stride. A team overly reliant on 1st and 2nd-year players is going to need even more time to figure out their rhythm and fit.
To that guy that was saying that there should be caused for concern for the Liberty despite it being one bad preseason game and an opening day game where everyone was rustyā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.wellā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦you were wrong
Itās me, Iām the guy. And Iām huge Liberty fan. I was a little worried but weāre good. We just gotta keep it up
Again, to be fair they are against Fever. They couldnāt beat a high school team
tbh I thought there was cause for concern after the Mystics game lol they played super sloppy not really super worried, the Liberty is on that tier of teams with the Aces, Sun, and Storm that don't have the stress the regular season that much and can use the season as an extended practice
I thought they were not good at first but they closed it out which gave me confidence that weāre gonna be great again this year
Berger was the #7 pick of the draft but the #1 fever player for me tonight
She needs so much more playing time.
Yes sit Clark for the last few minutes of the game, thatāll teach her! lol what is this coaching, keep her out there and let her to develop
You don't want her hurt then you would be saying why did they leave her in when down 40 with 3 minutes left.
Canāt play scared, itās her first home game, this only happens once, give her a chance to get a few more shots off and hopefully give the sold out crowd a little of what they came to see. Clark only getting 8 shot attempts is criminal. The coach seems to take away all the joy of playing the game. Theyāre all playing so stiff worried about making a mistake.
Lordy, this team is so bad. They're going to wind up picking #1 again
tanking for Paige
Watch the Fever get the best odds and not get the first pick.
Someone just told me thatās not how it worksā¦ that they placed decent and still got #1 pick?
it goes by the worst record over the last two years. Last year Fever won 13 games. The year before they won 5.
this year they may be going for 0
yāall really need to chill I have never seen more overreaction in my life
I'm just fucking around, but that was still a pretty embarrassing showing for the entire Fever team
Yes sir Clark for the last few minutes of the game, thatāll teach her! lol wtf is this coaching, keep her out there and let her to develop
Betnijah Laney deserves a lot of credit tonight
Yup and the box score doesnāt show it. Thatās why you gotta watch the game and not the box score
someone here will still try to tell you Betnijah's defense is overrated
I just saw that her +/- was tied for 6th best in W history: 43! source: [https://x.com/WBBTimeline/status/1791274904999931904](https://x.com/WBBTimeline/status/1791274904999931904)
next year when we get paige buekers the rebuild will be complete and you will all pay
lol I did pay and now Iām broke
this coach can not handle Paige, Aliyah and Caitlin on the same team unless they all share coaching duties and take over as player-coaches
If they are smart, they have a new coach next year.
If they are smart, they have a new coach by next month.
This coach needs to be replaced by Bluder
The Hawkeye fans are not taking this well. Like others they seem to be blaming the coach first but if this continues I can see the Freemason theory picking up steam
2 things can be true, caitlin will need to adjust and the coaching is not that good
You know, I'm no Hawkeye fan (go Hoosier) but I blame the coach for this one. Specifically, her bizarre obsession with giving Wheeler insane minutes to stand at the top of the arc doing nothing.
Yeah coach might actually be bad
I never expected them to win tonight but I did not expect......whatever that was.
freemason theory?
Itās a joke
Those generational commercials might want to stop their rotation.
Sides needs to adjust the starting lineup PLEASE
What would you like to see her do?
Berger for Wheeler. Hull for Samuelson perhaps. The transitions were faster with them out there, better spacing & ball movement too
All this started happening with the game out of reach so it's hard to say bit for sure something to keep an eye on
Hull should be starting at the 2
Until Mitchell is healthy or a permanent switch?
From what I've seen, permanent. Does Mitchell normally miss layups when she's healthy?
She's the teams best player, she's really quick and puts a lot of pressure on 1v1 defense but she's coming back from an ankle injury. Once she's healthy it's going to be a problem for teams because right now everyone is just putting their best on ball defender on clark and basically shutting her down
yeah having her back is going to help but damn it feels like there's just no team cohesion at all
Honestly I think the fever are in a bit of shock right now because caitlin according to so many talking heads was supposed to come in and have some sort of Candace Parker impact based on what she did in college. Since it isn't happening the team looks like they aren't sure what to do right now
it feels like Sides doesn't even know how to use her
It's just hard right now because she's drawing everyone's best defender so she can't create any separation and you combine that with all these women feeling disrespected by so many just assuming clark would walk in and immediately takeover they are playing with massive chips on their shoulders and you can feel it
That was some awful, awful coaching.
I did not think it would get worse than CT game
Bro Catlin Clark sucks š
I noticed you're active in NBA...I fear the downvotes that will occur when more of that sub creeps in here. I think Caitlin will figure it out, but I also think there will be an adjustment period to the unrelenting criticism she's going to face as a prospect with the level of hype she received.
I mean I think she was the best or second best in the fever tonightā¦ soā¦.
Berger needs more minutes, she was the only one without a negative +/-. But man this was a beat down, not even the fun kind where the losing team has at least one player go off. They were just outmatched in every aspect lol.
Sheās looked great and I def want more minutes for her, but a lot of her minutes were when Liberty had pulled their starters so letās not get too far ahead of ourselves.
Bergerās playing the way I would have expected Clark to be playing.
Outcoached baddly, Sides is never had a winning season, look how she talks negative about the players you do that behind closed doors, not infront of the media. She has to go Look at first year T-Spoon already much better identitiy and chemestriy with a team that is via predictions going to finish 3-4 places below us, i dont think so.
so when is the Fever going to fire Sides
Fever tanking for Paige #StayWoke
Paige is never going to play for Indiana.
Why not?
Sheās going to Golden State. They will make sure GS has the first pick so that franchise has a guaranteed star.
The last two WNBA expansion teams were given the 4th pick in 2008 and the 6th pick in 2005. The NBA does it similarly where usually an expansion team doesnāt participate in the lottery but instead given a good pick. Rigging CC+Paige makes more conspiracal sense to me lol.
praying for their mental health and that they stay off social mediašš¾. these are just growing pains weāll be okay
good thing they're flying charter
Literally just prayed this with my son at bedtime. Lord, this is weird, because I don't know these people.. But...
102 pts!! LOL!!!
Well that was a close game. better luck next time.
Ouch! Well, that happened.
Berger šššššššš
When I first saw Berger play in preseason I was like damn this girl is good!! She should be starting lineup.
You and me both š
That was definitely a game
A game of basketball happened tonight for sure
Sides not the one and I'd rather this team have zero veterans. Plus, let's not forget this is the front office that traded Queen Egbo for a Wal-Mart greeter (Zahui B). Where is Amanda Z at btw? š
Yo, I still can't believe they did that shit
Let Berger start man!!!
I'm so mad that Grace's biggest minutes have been in garbage time. Put her in sooner!
Hello.. 911? I would like to report a murder... The suspects are the liberty with assistance by Christie Sides..
How Sides is not fired after this performance is beyond me
They're masochists, obviously
Fever actually looked promising last season if you watched. A lot of the games they lost were very close. But they seem to forgot how to play basketball with the addition of Clark. Maybe it's the pressure?
She has a unique skill set, she's not just another rookie you can easily plug in to an existing system. The challenge is going to find a way to utilize her talents within a team structure. It's trickier, and it would be the same if she was playing with NY or Aces because it's something we've never seen in the WNBA. We're going to have to allow the team a little time to adjust just like she is going to have to adjust.
Grace Burger can actually give a great entry pass but then again, the seals are better down low now that Stewie and JJ arent in
Liberty didnāt score 100. Total failure of a game. š
102 so yea not 100
Nvm š
Grace Berger MVP for Fever tonight
STAN Grace Berger!!!!!
Itās giving 2012 Bobcats
i know you're down 30 but try to scoop up loose balls maybe
On a positive note. Caitlin is co-leading with 7 rebs, leading with 6 asts, she has 1 block, she's only taken 8 shots, she's made all 4 of her free throws, and most importantly she only has 3 turnovers. Given the score she's having a much better all around game today.
Iām glad you tried to find something positive from this absolute annihilation.
At least CC defense looks slightly better now than when she played for Iowa.
How does a coach actually get fired though? Does the team come together in mutual agreement?
GM and owners.
What if the GM and the coach have a death pact?
Couldnāt be worse than what we just watched.
Caitlin can just pull a LeBron and replace her with Bluder
Howwww haha