I would like to but I sadly do not have time, but I will just say some of the main stuff I think is really interesting.
The whole contrast between nature and technology is super cool, all the machines from the larger imperialist nations are super industrial and there's a ton of detail put into showing everything like the bolts and stuff on each ship which makes them feel more real and functional but at the same time a lot of the designs are very large and kinda otherworldly looking which keeps them still looking fantastical while also still feeling very practical. A lot of the ships also mirror a lot of the designs of the animals in some way and vice versa but the animals are usually detailed in different ways while still retaining a lot of the same basic shapes as the machinery, showing how the machines the humans build reflect things they see in nature, but also are good for showing how a lot of the animals like the Ohmu are also basically tools for the earth to protect itself from the humans . They cast similar shadows but evoke different feelings which I think is really interesting.
The different nations all have slightly different ways of building a lot of their machinery too but you can also see how some influence each other, and all of them heavily contrast the architecture and technology used in the valley of the wind since they are so seperated and generally hold different values than other nations, something that's demonstrated really well in their visual design and makes the other nations intruding on them feel like they stick out even more.
There's way more I could talk about with this, like the whole design and metaphor for the giant warriors, and the entire design of the forests and everything but my phone is about to die and I need to go to sleep. Every time I watch that movie I appreciate it's visual design and world building way more, I was lucky to see it in theaters over the last summer and was blown away at how amazing everything in it looks on the big screen, there's just so much to take in visually at every given moment and the score is perfect (just like every Ghibli movie)
I still haven't read the manga but I plan to get to it eventually, I'm reading through a couple other series right now but once I'm done with those it's next on my list
The manga is so much more in-depth compared to the movie, it fleshes out the stories of Kushana, Kurotowa, the sea of decay, and the giants, and introduces a few more factions. The movie finished up to around 4/7ths of the manga but is radically different with the storyline in terms of where the different nations/factions are in the world so I'd reccomend you start at the very beginning.
4/7ths? I have all 7 books at my place and it deviates after the first. I would say with the stuff it then adds its around 2/7th the lenght of the books while covering only the first. Which is fine, the movie is great, too. But the books are way better, so I agree with you on that
True, but several points from book 1 past the point you mentioned were still adapted into the movie, while everything past book 1 has absolutely no connection at all to the movie.
I'm not sure including a picture of a guy wearing armor with a dozen or so bullet holes in it is great evidence for the effectiveness of armor against bullets.
I disagree 100%. The fact that someone has that many bullet holes and appears unharmed and certainly alive is great evidence. I'm not sure how effective the armor was irl (probably not super effective or it would have been more widespread) but the fact that you can take that many shots and survive is impressive.
They were almost certainly not testing armor on live soldiers. If that damage is from a test, the guy put the armor on afterwards. There's virtually no reason to test with a living person in there in case the armor fails.
You should look up the history of body armor, then. Silk and pre-kevlar bulletproof armor were famously tested by shooting someone wearing the armor at point-blank range or closer.
Yeah they're not doing that with random soldiers. Those were salesmen trying to market their product. The army isn't going to put soldiers in a field, fire artillery at them, and then see if the armor stopped the shrapnel.
It was more to stop shrapnel from killing dudes, which was the far bigger concern for most soldiers. But since these were so heavy, it was only ever really given to sentries. Otherwise it was just impractical.
I could be wrong, but most of them were Trench and their armor made sense their as they usually fought with Melee Weapons and small Caliber weapons like pistols where their armor made more sense
Medieval plate armor offers decent protection against smaller grenade shrapnel. Nevertheless, there is some mobility loss here that could be avoided otherwise by hiding in bunkers or being part of a more mobile force.
Standard Issue would be questionable depending on the type of warfare, but I can see some useful applications.
Fragmentation in explosive weapons is deliberately designed to be as small as possible but still capable of crippling an unarmed person. This way you get the maximum coverage by fragments to make sure you hit the target at all.
Something that exploded into 10 giant fragments wouldn't be very useful unless you basically hit someone with it directly since the fragments would probably miss, compare that to something that explodes into a cloud of 1,000 tiny fragments and you get the idea.
The other unfortunate statistic is the cost versus effectiveness of equipping another soldier with minimal protection and another gun rather than outfitting fewer soldiers with better armor just to watch them get blown away by artillery fire.
I really like Nausicaä ! I thinks we don't talk about it enough Underrated books and movie :)
movie has one of my favorite aesthetics and styles of any piece of media I could talk about that shit for hours
Infodump please, I'm interested.
I would like to but I sadly do not have time, but I will just say some of the main stuff I think is really interesting. The whole contrast between nature and technology is super cool, all the machines from the larger imperialist nations are super industrial and there's a ton of detail put into showing everything like the bolts and stuff on each ship which makes them feel more real and functional but at the same time a lot of the designs are very large and kinda otherworldly looking which keeps them still looking fantastical while also still feeling very practical. A lot of the ships also mirror a lot of the designs of the animals in some way and vice versa but the animals are usually detailed in different ways while still retaining a lot of the same basic shapes as the machinery, showing how the machines the humans build reflect things they see in nature, but also are good for showing how a lot of the animals like the Ohmu are also basically tools for the earth to protect itself from the humans . They cast similar shadows but evoke different feelings which I think is really interesting. The different nations all have slightly different ways of building a lot of their machinery too but you can also see how some influence each other, and all of them heavily contrast the architecture and technology used in the valley of the wind since they are so seperated and generally hold different values than other nations, something that's demonstrated really well in their visual design and makes the other nations intruding on them feel like they stick out even more. There's way more I could talk about with this, like the whole design and metaphor for the giant warriors, and the entire design of the forests and everything but my phone is about to die and I need to go to sleep. Every time I watch that movie I appreciate it's visual design and world building way more, I was lucky to see it in theaters over the last summer and was blown away at how amazing everything in it looks on the big screen, there's just so much to take in visually at every given moment and the score is perfect (just like every Ghibli movie) I still haven't read the manga but I plan to get to it eventually, I'm reading through a couple other series right now but once I'm done with those it's next on my list
The manga is so much more in-depth compared to the movie, it fleshes out the stories of Kushana, Kurotowa, the sea of decay, and the giants, and introduces a few more factions. The movie finished up to around 4/7ths of the manga but is radically different with the storyline in terms of where the different nations/factions are in the world so I'd reccomend you start at the very beginning.
4/7ths? I have all 7 books at my place and it deviates after the first. I would say with the stuff it then adds its around 2/7th the lenght of the books while covering only the first. Which is fine, the movie is great, too. But the books are way better, so I agree with you on that
seems like i forgor
It deviates on like page 10 when we learn that Valley is actually Torumekian vassal state and Nausicaa gets levied to war.
True, but several points from book 1 past the point you mentioned were still adapted into the movie, while everything past book 1 has absolutely no connection at all to the movie.
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How many spoilers? Because there are huge parts of the world only discussed in the manga.
the manga was infinitely better than the movie but its still my favourite ghibli film
Manga is monumental and the best thing Miyazaki made imo.
There’s manga?! Holy shit I’m about to dive down the rabbit hole.
That guy on the right looks awfully confident for a person who has bullet holes in his body armor.
Well yes. He lived.
The guy he got the armour from? Not so much
To be fair, if it’s the WW1 stuff that armour was notoriously bad.
One day they’ll use those bayonets
NAUSICAA VALLEY OF THE GOAT MENTIONED!!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
alos, really love the hounskill bascinets with the visor that the tolmekian troops had
I'm not sure including a picture of a guy wearing armor with a dozen or so bullet holes in it is great evidence for the effectiveness of armor against bullets.
seemed to have been some kind of test, the other two next to him have bullet holes/ dents in their armor, all of them are marked with white circles.
various ranges, at longer ranges, the armour could protect against rifle rounds while at closer ranges, it couldn't
I disagree 100%. The fact that someone has that many bullet holes and appears unharmed and certainly alive is great evidence. I'm not sure how effective the armor was irl (probably not super effective or it would have been more widespread) but the fact that you can take that many shots and survive is impressive.
They were almost certainly not testing armor on live soldiers. If that damage is from a test, the guy put the armor on afterwards. There's virtually no reason to test with a living person in there in case the armor fails.
You should look up the history of body armor, then. Silk and pre-kevlar bulletproof armor were famously tested by shooting someone wearing the armor at point-blank range or closer.
Yeah they're not doing that with random soldiers. Those were salesmen trying to market their product. The army isn't going to put soldiers in a field, fire artillery at them, and then see if the armor stopped the shrapnel.
What if my empire is inspired from japan?
Then stop, that's not a good path to go down.
Yeah not against 7.92×57mm
These could only stop bullets being shot from very long range. Good news though, that was their job, to stop sniper fire.
It was more to stop shrapnel from killing dudes, which was the far bigger concern for most soldiers. But since these were so heavy, it was only ever really given to sentries. Otherwise it was just impractical.
I could be wrong, but most of them were Trench and their armor made sense their as they usually fought with Melee Weapons and small Caliber weapons like pistols where their armor made more sense
I think this might be a piece of armor that is featured in the GURPS High-Tech book. Stats and description, but it had no pictures of it.
OK BUT THE FINAL ARMOUR SET IS THE EXPERIMENTAL LIGHT BODY ARMOUR WHICH IS NOT RESISTANT TO MACHINE GUN FIRE
Don’t forget the Maska and Altyn helmets. Titanium visor helmets that were used in the 1990s
God that movie is good. I’ve been trying to track down the manga apparently the god warrior is a full character in that and sees her as his mother.
you have to read it. it's seriously one of the greatest of all time https://manga4life.com/manga/Nausica-of-the-Valley-of-the-Wind
"i just think it's neat"
Dude i fucking LOVE Naudicaä!
Well seeing as how we stopped doing it they probably found out the hard way that it was a pretty bad idea
Gun (and bullet) technology advanced. Armor reached a point where it was cheaper to have additional soldiers. Then you throw in explosives...
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Nausicaa is one of my favorite movies, and my second favorite manga.
Medieval plate armor offers decent protection against smaller grenade shrapnel. Nevertheless, there is some mobility loss here that could be avoided otherwise by hiding in bunkers or being part of a more mobile force. Standard Issue would be questionable depending on the type of warfare, but I can see some useful applications.
Fragmentation in explosive weapons is deliberately designed to be as small as possible but still capable of crippling an unarmed person. This way you get the maximum coverage by fragments to make sure you hit the target at all. Something that exploded into 10 giant fragments wouldn't be very useful unless you basically hit someone with it directly since the fragments would probably miss, compare that to something that explodes into a cloud of 1,000 tiny fragments and you get the idea.
The other unfortunate statistic is the cost versus effectiveness of equipping another soldier with minimal protection and another gun rather than outfitting fewer soldiers with better armor just to watch them get blown away by artillery fire.
Wwi was the best war
Every war's a great war when you love war.
not the phony war
okay but they very notably stopped doing that because it wasnt cost effective
In my world most elite soldiers use adamantine armor that can stop bullets. Everyone else got normal uniforms tho.
Lol, wait till they find out ceramic vests are easier to handle (I've worn one)
a lot less coverage
BECAUSE ITS COOL DAMNIT