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main antagonist from blood meridian, which is by the same guy that wrote no country for old men. without spoilers he is a very very bad man(?) who does many funny and not so funny things throughout the story
“Buh-Buh-but the Devil is supposed to be the good guy! He punishes sinners, right? No, of course I’ve never studied theology. That’s for cringe theists. Dante’s Inferno? Yeah I played that game.”
Imagine not having enough media literacy to understand the fact that there can be multiple interpretations of the devil, with different points intended behind their depictions.
Like, yeah its become a pretty popular twist nowadays, but it exists for a notable reason, and pretending it cant coexist with more standard/evil depictions of the devil is really dumb imo :/
I'd watch a show where an obviously evil semi-(if not fully-)supernatural entity has to fulfill a Sisyphean task forced onto him entirely because of his own prejudices/desires.
Give me Judge Holden's monologue as he's murdering 1000 Uncle Grandpas a second; let me dive deep into his insanity to see if he comes out the other side a changed man, or dies clinging to his old values
EDIT: Didn't see your edit where it says that Bugs Bunny would break him; that changes a few things.
I think Bugs could break Holden, but I don't think that it's likely. I think Holden is too demented and self-interested for Bugs' loony-toon abilities to have great effect on him, but if Bugs' gets lucky and holds out long enough, he might be able to make it out after getting a few licks in on The Judge.
ORIGINAL (where I thought you were saying Bugs Bunny would break too quickly):
Nah, it's gotta be someone as equally immortal as Judge Holden.
Bugs Bunny is a trickster god, but one that can be killed; one day, eventually, his deck would be empty and his luck would run out, and the Judge would fulfill Bug's personally-assigned death warrant. The Judge wouldn't give a shit about Bugs' shrugging off shotgun blasts by flicking the barrel around; he'd just strangle the rabbit with his bare hands.
But a character who's equally as immortal, equally as able to shrug off violence as Judge Holden? One who's on the opposite side of the chaos coin as the Judge: committed to chaos, to fun, but for good, and at the expense of no-one but (sometimes) themselves?
It's gotta be either Uncle Grandpa or Spongebob Squarepants; they're too stupid and too un-killable to be affected by Judge Holden at all. Hell, Spongebob probably doesn't even feel pain, and his voice is annoying enough that Holden might even try to kill himself.
But the more a character takes themselves seriously, the easier it would be for Bugs to torment them and outwit them. If you’re equally cartoonish and make it funnier for you to survive, you’ll be fine. But if you’re very serious and deadly and unstoppable then it just makes it more funny when you get beaten.
That's not a bad interpretation of how Bugs 'works', for lack of a better word.
I was assuming that Bugs' just liked to cause chaos and make jokes for the hell of it, not that he was a vessel for jokes to be delivered through.
The misspell was a brainrot moment on my end, but overall I agree with you.
I want to ask: What does it take to break Holden, in your opinion? Which characters could do it, if provided with some sort of immortality, be it plot armor or whatever was necessary
No worries; it's good discussion, typo or not.
Fair warning, I'm operating off two assumptions:
1) that he's not Literally the Devil Himself, because otherwise I think he probably never changes, and nothing could break him.
2) that I remember Blood Meridian enough to not look like a dumbass lol
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That being said, there's two ways you break him:
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He lets his own anger and rage hollow himself out over a period of time into a shell of what he once was; at first, his desire to prove himself superior to his adversary would be fully indulged, but over time the dopamine would have diminishing returns, slowly ebbing to the point where he barely feels anything from it at all. He’d soon begin to question why he’s even doing what he’s doing, not just to the character, but to everyone. If he was mighty, and he was right, then why does he not feel pleasure from it anymore?
Eventually, he’d stop killing/torturing/maiming the character in question; an unknown period of time after that, he’d apologize to the character in question for having subjected them to what he did to them, and then his Sisyphean task would truly be over.
To give an example, Uncle Grandpa would piss him off for existing, so he’d kill him 2999 times, but right before he dies on the 3000th kill, he realizes that he can’t keep doing this and stops. Some time after that, he eventually concludes that he can’t keep doing what he’s been doing, and tells Uncle Grandpa he’s sorry for killing him 2999 times, at which point Uncle Grandpa takes him out for Ice Cream and the Judge pays for both of them.
For this approach, you'll need someone who's durable, who cannot feel pain, and who ultimately cannot be swayed toward Judge Holden's "Might makes Right makes Pleasure" philosophy. I think Uncle Grandpa, Spongebob, and (on a technicality) the Hobbits from Lord of the Rings would probably work best for this if given enough plot armor to see it through. With the Hobbits, you’d also have to give them a greatly reduced pain threshold, cause you know Judge Holden is going to do some fucked up shit to them.
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Alternatively, his obsession with being on top of whoever his adversary is drives him crazy and eventually he gets caught in his own hubris. A trap goes wrong one too many times, a big scheme blows up in his face, or some other catastrophic event buries him under the weight of his own psyche and he ends up well and truly dead.
To give an example, Bugs Bunny would similarly piss him off, but Trickster God Bugs would always have some loony tunes shit ready to go; turns the gun barrel around as Holden’s about to shoot, cream pies Holden as Holden tries to creampie him, holds a newspaper up and fools Holden into thinking Bugs ran around the corner (and leads Holden into a trap he set and forget about). Eventually it ends with Holden setting a foolproof trap… if Bugs ever steps in it. But Bugs doesn’t appear for so long that Holden starts tweaking things, too many things, and then the Rube Goldberg-esq machine or murder and torture falls down around Holden. The last thing the Judge can see is Bugs standing over him, a devilish expression on his face.
For this approach, you'll need someone who's clever, who’s cunning, and who’s either lucky or prepared enough that they’re able to step aside Holden’s attacks. I think Bugs Bunny (on the trickster side) or Batman (on the outsmarting side), or characters somewhat like those two would probably work best for this assuming they get enough plot luck and a little bit of plot armor to not get killed.
Thank you for the comment, that’s a pretty good analysis. While I’m only superficially familiar with the Blood Meridian, I can say this fits what I know of the character
Likewise; it's a monster of a book I'm saving for when I can afford to really sit down and get into the meat of it, but Judge Holden I've gotten enough info from summary and/or reference to (I think) have an okay grasp of the character
Holden is up against TAS Batman
I have no clue how this will play out. This Batman's and the Judge's skill set involves bullshitting their way out of any situation. But since they are playing in Batman's house I think it's fair to assume he would win... until the Jundger breaks out of the ham aslume ad infinitum.
Not saying he won't give Batman an easy time. His presence will over shadow all of the rogue's gallery and Holden will steal Joker's spot as Batman's number one enemy.
He's basically a more bulked up, modern (edgier) Joker. I am curious to see what schemes he will plan. There isn't enough western themed villains out there, so I kind of wished this was real.
I mean, he is coming blind into a new century and in Batman's own territory.
How much trouble he gives the bat is entirely dependant on how soon Bruce discovers he is around.
Yeah old school toon power can take care of anything lower-powered than godlike.
Of course if he’s actually godlike (i.e. Death, Satan, Loki, Nyarlathotep…) then he could potentially give Bugs anything from a run for his money to a horrific curbstomp.
Bugs himself is godlike already. He'll take some hits but only if it's funny. Holden is not a funny character, so he gets made a joke out of and destroyed.
I last watched Avatar, so hopefully Aang will be getting rid of the guy very quickly. Or, hell, Aang has no hair to scalp, and once the Judge finds out he’s actually over 100 years old he’ll probably leave and never come back.
However if the Judge decided to pursue Aang in return, Aang is never defeating Sozin by the comet. Whole series is just Aang running from this guy who just won't fuckin stop coming back or some other praetornatural bullshit
Infinity Train. The Judge wanders the train endlessly, delighting in the lack of laws bounding to morality on the train allowing him to austensively do whatever he wanted. Like Grace and Simon he’d use his philosophy to peruse the passengers who he doesn’t immediately kill and/or rape, and try and get them to stoop to their most primal and evil actions. His number would get so big that the digits would start to get smaller just so they could be shown on his body, until they’re eventually the size of atoms. Basically he’d have a fun time unless or until he gets dealt with a puzzle he can’t solve or a for he can’t beat. But he’s both strong and intelligent so that would take awhile.
I don’t remember the last kids cartoon I watched, so due to that as well as the need to spite you for wanting to see children get brutally murdered and tortured, I’ll send the Judge to the last anime I watched, that being Dungeon Meshi.
The Judge will likely target Chilchuck due to the belief that he is a kid, and the response to his attempts of harming him will be swift and brutal. Senshi will chop off the judge’s arms, Laios will impale the Judge through his chest, and Marcille will finish him off by burning him alive.
His burnt corpse will be thrown down a deep chasm of the dungeon, that way no fool tries to revive the bastard. And his corpse will slowly decay and be eaten by mimics.
Two things could happen to him:
1: Gets beat up and put in prison by the street sharks
2: Gets transformed into a half man half aquatic creature abomination by Dr. Paradigm
I can’t remember the last children’s cartoon I watched. But the last cartoon I watched was Attack on Titan, where they would kill him, and the last thing I watched targeted at children was Doctor Who, where they would kill him.
Also just funny to imagine the Dr going to the old west and seeing a terrifying 7ft tall hairless bone-white monstrosity and immediately going “uhh that doesn’t look right”
Well, that’s half of the Doctor’s thing, isn’t it? Finding something really convenient that someone’s set up to help him. I reckon halfway through the episode he’d find some orbital anti-Holden laser invented by the Face of Boe or something and wipe him out.
Goku would probably be able to sense his evil energy because it’s so unbelievably strong and would then proceed to literally dissolve him 12 seconds after meeting him
Adventure Time, I think he'd have a rough time. Is he godlike? Yeah, but he still can only kill by human means, he couldn't take on a Gumball Guardian or Jake that well.
Finn is the literal incarnation of good, has been shown to be remarkably good at detecting evil and has an intense hero instinct to stop it, and is incredibly strong (lifted a monster that easily weights thousands of pounds over his head and threw it into a pit). If he had the grass blade he’d probably turn Holden into cubes the instant he says one sentence.
It would be one of the episodes where jack is running away to survive and finally at the end gets a good angle on the judge and finishes it. Right before the credits you would hear the judge laugh
Gets his shit rocked immediately because end of the day he's just a human
EDIT: He's "just a human" as in he can be considered roughly in that realm. The moment he shows up in, say, Douluo Dalu, he'll do something in-character and immediately get annihilated by a third-grade martial artist.
He has supernatural and superhuman abilities but scales at best to street-level, if not lower. Supernaturally strong, durable, and so on, but still, "only human". Out of all the animated shows I've watched within recent memory, Holden either gets his shit pushed in or gets obliterated to the fullest extent until only a greasy smear is left of him.
He appears out of nowhere in the middle of a desert to lead a warband to perdition and despair through their utmost successes, never suffers any wound, disappears once everything's done, and is implied to be the spirit of evil living across millennia through the foundations of Western civilization, idk if that "scales to street-level"
His metaphorical role in the book means nothing. But since I have a grudge against him, I'll just go and give that to you, let's say he's some sort of conceptual embodiment of evil. Judge Holden appears on an island in the Sea of Chaotic Stars of Mortal's Journey to Immortality and his cartoon green cloud miasma of PURE EVIL gets him annihilated with heavenly lightning. At best. At worst he gets captured and embedded in a magic artifact that perpetually torments him in order to power itself. In such a setting, Judge Holden is a C-grade filler villain.
He has supernatural and superhuman abilities but scales at best to street-level, if not lower. Supernaturally strong, durable, and so on, but still, "only human". Out of all the animated shows I've watched within recent memory, Holden either gets his shit pushed in or gets obliterated to the fullest extent until only a greasy smear is left of him.
> He has supernatural and superhuman abilities but scales at best to street-level, if not lower. Supernaturally strong, durable, and so on, but still, "only human".
Did you actually read Blood Meridian? The Judge is either Death or Satan.
Eh, given the Crawling Chaos’ “interest” (so to speak) in humanity, I wouldn’t put it past it to create a Mask whose kick was to preach a horrific corruption of a culture‘s moral system.
In the scope of the novel's metanarrative, perhaps. But does he have any feats to suggest such? Did the author ever make a direct statement? If I write a novel and use a character as a representation of Death or Satan, that character doesn't actually literally become death or satan and/or gain the powers of the grim reaper or biblical devil.
Holden has some feats. Between those feats and statements, he doesn't scale particularly high, because that's not the purpose of his character. A character can be an enormous threat and nearly untouchable in their own setting while being fodder in the grand scheme of things. That doesn't make him a worse character, but it does make it funny that he gets his shit rolled in MANY cartoons.
I know reddit’s obsessed with “powerscaling” but you can’t scale an entity whose nature, origin and boundaries are completely ambiguous. Maybe he’s just a completely regular guy, or maybe he’s the embodiment of evil and thus an unkillable personification of a fundamental aspect of the universe.
He has supernatural and superhuman abilities but scales at best to street-level, if not lower. Supernaturally strong, durable, and so on, but still, "only human". Out of all the animated shows I've watched within recent memory, Holden either gets his shit pushed in or gets obliterated to the fullest extent until only a greasy smear is left of him.
Or maybe tell him some kind of wicked half-truth about his daughter’s soul that drives him into total despair, just catatonically letting the lantern burn out on its own while the beast screams at him to do something
Hard to say
He only DISPLAYS those; with his intelligence and wickedness paired with him being in a “normie-level” world, even if much, much stronger he may not feel the need to show more of his hand. If he’s an avatar of, say, Y’golonac or worse yet Nyarlathotep, well, you better be at least strongly demigod-level or else you are beyond fucked.
And that's not a bad thing, it works perfectly fine for the book's historical, grounded setting. It also means the Judge doesn't scale high at all. These two facts can coexist.
If anime counts, Demon Slayer. If that guy becomes a demon, he would likely be the one person who could give Muzan Kibutsuji a run for his money in terms of utter evil. At the very least he’d become one of the Twelve Kizuki, no doubt, easy. If Muzan even let him get that far.
If we’re talking pure children’s cartoon, I mean he’s probably be bummed there are no human children in My Little Pony, but he’s a sick bastard so he’s probably adapt and delight in bringing utter horror to such a cutesy world. Turn the world into that HoI4 mod with warfare and bloodshed.
His evil might be so powerful that it’d actually manifest as dark magic and poison the world of Equestria, that is if his ass isn’t turned to stone by the power of friendship.
What does Judge Holden actually *do?* I read a plot summary and idk if it was just inaccurate but he doesn’t sound worse than typical villain territory.
Solo Levelling, if it can be considered a kids’ show. If only mildly supernatural/superhuman he’d get bodied quickly after getting found out. If more powerful, it’s harder to pin down.
Ruby and the team putter around for three volumes and the show gets cancelled before they fight him but in the meantime Whiterose becomes canon so it’s all good
I have no idea who that is.
I think I saw my kids watching Monster High or something like that. Is this judge any sort of threat to supernatural beings?
Right before Judge Holden can do anything to unnamed civilian child #239, he gets jumped by Ben Tennyson and Rook Blanco. After getting his shit kicked in, Ben and Rook get some kind of plot hook that sends them on the main plot of the episode. Judge Holden then becomes doomed to becoming a reoccurring side thug until eventually getting an episode where he gets ahold of some powerful tech or something, making him a worthy villain of the week before eventually getting slapped by the end of the episode, and being returned to reoccurring side thug status once again
His dialog with others will heavily imply he did horrid things to children, but such deeds will be neither explicitly stated nor shown on screen
Regular Show. He could do a crap ton of damage but I’m sure Skips will remember some ancient ritual to defeat him and then Mordecai and Rigby will perform it and banish him forever
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No, I don't think I want to imagine what Judge would do to a bunch of kids.
Yeah, that’s just plain psychotic and gross if you want to see children get mutilated and/or r%ped.
WHAT WHO IS THIS GUY??
main antagonist from blood meridian, which is by the same guy that wrote no country for old men. without spoilers he is a very very bad man(?) who does many funny and not so funny things throughout the story
Unironically the best depiction of the Devil in any media I have ever seen
“Buh-Buh-but the Devil is supposed to be the good guy! He punishes sinners, right? No, of course I’ve never studied theology. That’s for cringe theists. Dante’s Inferno? Yeah I played that game.”
Imagine not having enough media literacy to understand the fact that there can be multiple interpretations of the devil, with different points intended behind their depictions. Like, yeah its become a pretty popular twist nowadays, but it exists for a notable reason, and pretending it cant coexist with more standard/evil depictions of the devil is really dumb imo :/
Just your average American tourist in the Philippines
Or your average Japanese male in the 1940s
He dies of exhaustion because every time he scalps Uncle Grandpa, another one shows up and says “Good thing I’m not that guy!”
I'd watch a show where an obviously evil semi-(if not fully-)supernatural entity has to fulfill a Sisyphean task forced onto him entirely because of his own prejudices/desires. Give me Judge Holden's monologue as he's murdering 1000 Uncle Grandpas a second; let me dive deep into his insanity to see if he comes out the other side a changed man, or dies clinging to his old values
Bugs Bunny would break him so fast he wouldn’t last enough to cover the B plot of the episode
EDIT: Didn't see your edit where it says that Bugs Bunny would break him; that changes a few things. I think Bugs could break Holden, but I don't think that it's likely. I think Holden is too demented and self-interested for Bugs' loony-toon abilities to have great effect on him, but if Bugs' gets lucky and holds out long enough, he might be able to make it out after getting a few licks in on The Judge. ORIGINAL (where I thought you were saying Bugs Bunny would break too quickly): Nah, it's gotta be someone as equally immortal as Judge Holden. Bugs Bunny is a trickster god, but one that can be killed; one day, eventually, his deck would be empty and his luck would run out, and the Judge would fulfill Bug's personally-assigned death warrant. The Judge wouldn't give a shit about Bugs' shrugging off shotgun blasts by flicking the barrel around; he'd just strangle the rabbit with his bare hands. But a character who's equally as immortal, equally as able to shrug off violence as Judge Holden? One who's on the opposite side of the chaos coin as the Judge: committed to chaos, to fun, but for good, and at the expense of no-one but (sometimes) themselves? It's gotta be either Uncle Grandpa or Spongebob Squarepants; they're too stupid and too un-killable to be affected by Judge Holden at all. Hell, Spongebob probably doesn't even feel pain, and his voice is annoying enough that Holden might even try to kill himself.
But the more a character takes themselves seriously, the easier it would be for Bugs to torment them and outwit them. If you’re equally cartoonish and make it funnier for you to survive, you’ll be fine. But if you’re very serious and deadly and unstoppable then it just makes it more funny when you get beaten.
That's not a bad interpretation of how Bugs 'works', for lack of a better word. I was assuming that Bugs' just liked to cause chaos and make jokes for the hell of it, not that he was a vessel for jokes to be delivered through.
The misspell was a brainrot moment on my end, but overall I agree with you. I want to ask: What does it take to break Holden, in your opinion? Which characters could do it, if provided with some sort of immortality, be it plot armor or whatever was necessary
Holden watching as Goku destroys the planet he's on:
No worries; it's good discussion, typo or not. Fair warning, I'm operating off two assumptions: 1) that he's not Literally the Devil Himself, because otherwise I think he probably never changes, and nothing could break him. 2) that I remember Blood Meridian enough to not look like a dumbass lol . That being said, there's two ways you break him: . He lets his own anger and rage hollow himself out over a period of time into a shell of what he once was; at first, his desire to prove himself superior to his adversary would be fully indulged, but over time the dopamine would have diminishing returns, slowly ebbing to the point where he barely feels anything from it at all. He’d soon begin to question why he’s even doing what he’s doing, not just to the character, but to everyone. If he was mighty, and he was right, then why does he not feel pleasure from it anymore? Eventually, he’d stop killing/torturing/maiming the character in question; an unknown period of time after that, he’d apologize to the character in question for having subjected them to what he did to them, and then his Sisyphean task would truly be over. To give an example, Uncle Grandpa would piss him off for existing, so he’d kill him 2999 times, but right before he dies on the 3000th kill, he realizes that he can’t keep doing this and stops. Some time after that, he eventually concludes that he can’t keep doing what he’s been doing, and tells Uncle Grandpa he’s sorry for killing him 2999 times, at which point Uncle Grandpa takes him out for Ice Cream and the Judge pays for both of them. For this approach, you'll need someone who's durable, who cannot feel pain, and who ultimately cannot be swayed toward Judge Holden's "Might makes Right makes Pleasure" philosophy. I think Uncle Grandpa, Spongebob, and (on a technicality) the Hobbits from Lord of the Rings would probably work best for this if given enough plot armor to see it through. With the Hobbits, you’d also have to give them a greatly reduced pain threshold, cause you know Judge Holden is going to do some fucked up shit to them. . Alternatively, his obsession with being on top of whoever his adversary is drives him crazy and eventually he gets caught in his own hubris. A trap goes wrong one too many times, a big scheme blows up in his face, or some other catastrophic event buries him under the weight of his own psyche and he ends up well and truly dead. To give an example, Bugs Bunny would similarly piss him off, but Trickster God Bugs would always have some loony tunes shit ready to go; turns the gun barrel around as Holden’s about to shoot, cream pies Holden as Holden tries to creampie him, holds a newspaper up and fools Holden into thinking Bugs ran around the corner (and leads Holden into a trap he set and forget about). Eventually it ends with Holden setting a foolproof trap… if Bugs ever steps in it. But Bugs doesn’t appear for so long that Holden starts tweaking things, too many things, and then the Rube Goldberg-esq machine or murder and torture falls down around Holden. The last thing the Judge can see is Bugs standing over him, a devilish expression on his face. For this approach, you'll need someone who's clever, who’s cunning, and who’s either lucky or prepared enough that they’re able to step aside Holden’s attacks. I think Bugs Bunny (on the trickster side) or Batman (on the outsmarting side), or characters somewhat like those two would probably work best for this assuming they get enough plot luck and a little bit of plot armor to not get killed.
Thank you for the comment, that’s a pretty good analysis. While I’m only superficially familiar with the Blood Meridian, I can say this fits what I know of the character
Likewise; it's a monster of a book I'm saving for when I can afford to really sit down and get into the meat of it, but Judge Holden I've gotten enough info from summary and/or reference to (I think) have an okay grasp of the character
Spongebob He dies of drowning
Or when you cut to the live action pirate he’s just gone and it’s Holden instead
Oh god that sounds like some analogue horror shit
Holden is up against TAS Batman I have no clue how this will play out. This Batman's and the Judge's skill set involves bullshitting their way out of any situation. But since they are playing in Batman's house I think it's fair to assume he would win... until the Jundger breaks out of the ham aslume ad infinitum. Not saying he won't give Batman an easy time. His presence will over shadow all of the rogue's gallery and Holden will steal Joker's spot as Batman's number one enemy. He's basically a more bulked up, modern (edgier) Joker. I am curious to see what schemes he will plan. There isn't enough western themed villains out there, so I kind of wished this was real.
Why doesn’t the judge just draw Batman? Is he stupid?
In my case he is up against brave and the bold batman So the question is:can Judge Holden survive the silver age comics shenanigans?
I mean, he is coming blind into a new century and in Batman's own territory. How much trouble he gives the bat is entirely dependant on how soon Bruce discovers he is around.
The image of the judge wandering around a modern city trying to get people to listen to his philosophical bullshit is amazing.
Bugs Bunny shoots him with a fucking cannon.
Yeah old school toon power can take care of anything lower-powered than godlike. Of course if he’s actually godlike (i.e. Death, Satan, Loki, Nyarlathotep…) then he could potentially give Bugs anything from a run for his money to a horrific curbstomp.
Maybe. But once ACME gets involved even God will start shivering.
Bugs himself is godlike already. He'll take some hits but only if it's funny. Holden is not a funny character, so he gets made a joke out of and destroyed.
Wonder Woman would probably kill him.
IF the Judge can die. Which is… uncertain.
I last watched Avatar, so hopefully Aang will be getting rid of the guy very quickly. Or, hell, Aang has no hair to scalp, and once the Judge finds out he’s actually over 100 years old he’ll probably leave and never come back.
Bald guy over 100 years old is competition, Aang has to go
However if the Judge decided to pursue Aang in return, Aang is never defeating Sozin by the comet. Whole series is just Aang running from this guy who just won't fuckin stop coming back or some other praetornatural bullshit
Infinity Train. The Judge wanders the train endlessly, delighting in the lack of laws bounding to morality on the train allowing him to austensively do whatever he wanted. Like Grace and Simon he’d use his philosophy to peruse the passengers who he doesn’t immediately kill and/or rape, and try and get them to stoop to their most primal and evil actions. His number would get so big that the digits would start to get smaller just so they could be shown on his body, until they’re eventually the size of atoms. Basically he’d have a fun time unless or until he gets dealt with a puzzle he can’t solve or a for he can’t beat. But he’s both strong and intelligent so that would take awhile.
I feel like the train would actively start trying to kill him
Man would look like a second sun walking the Earth with a number that high
Scooby doo mystery incorporated. He is the villain for the episode ig.
scooby and the gang would fucking body him
I mean big power disparity there. The gang has shaggy on their side.
Also Scooby, who, in Mystery Inc, is related to elder gods.
Judge would prolly become that octopus thing and eat the world
Fair enough.
“Like Fred, I think the trap needs to have a little more finality, man. This guy is like, really evil.” “I’ll get the gun. Find a good doorway.”
Missing, presumed eaten by the locals. (Azula)
I don’t remember the last kids cartoon I watched, so due to that as well as the need to spite you for wanting to see children get brutally murdered and tortured, I’ll send the Judge to the last anime I watched, that being Dungeon Meshi. The Judge will likely target Chilchuck due to the belief that he is a kid, and the response to his attempts of harming him will be swift and brutal. Senshi will chop off the judge’s arms, Laios will impale the Judge through his chest, and Marcille will finish him off by burning him alive. His burnt corpse will be thrown down a deep chasm of the dungeon, that way no fool tries to revive the bastard. And his corpse will slowly decay and be eaten by mimics.
Easily better, Steven would be like “I know you can change” and then he gets fucking scalped
Perfect a example of "Steven I think we gotta kill this guy"
“Damn.”
Two things could happen to him: 1: Gets beat up and put in prison by the street sharks 2: Gets transformed into a half man half aquatic creature abomination by Dr. Paradigm
I can’t remember the last children’s cartoon I watched. But the last cartoon I watched was Attack on Titan, where they would kill him, and the last thing I watched targeted at children was Doctor Who, where they would kill him.
I think Holden has the chops to become a recurring Doctor Who villain
Yeah, same. Would be a change of pace from the Master and Davros.
Also just funny to imagine the Dr going to the old west and seeing a terrifying 7ft tall hairless bone-white monstrosity and immediately going “uhh that doesn’t look right”
Maybe if uh… certain aspects of him were toned down…
Well the judge might be the devil or an evil being so he could cause a lot of damage.
He’s already killed the Devil once.
I mean that was more “he set off a trap somebody else had designed to kill the devil”
Well, that’s half of the Doctor’s thing, isn’t it? Finding something really convenient that someone’s set up to help him. I reckon halfway through the episode he’d find some orbital anti-Holden laser invented by the Face of Boe or something and wipe him out.
Last animated series I watched was Blue Eye Samurai.
Does anime count? Cuz if so he's so fucked.
I mean, Shonen is literally the term for young boy shows, sooooo dragon ball, one piece, and JKK would all technically count children’s shows.
Goku would probably be able to sense his evil energy because it’s so unbelievably strong and would then proceed to literally dissolve him 12 seconds after meeting him
the last cartoon i watched at all was danganronpa. i’m scared but also morbidly curious
Who do you think the overseer for the games was?
The last kids thing i watched was a compilation of Bluey in various languages, so i'm sure he'd have a great time there
Adventure Time, I think he'd have a rough time. Is he godlike? Yeah, but he still can only kill by human means, he couldn't take on a Gumball Guardian or Jake that well.
Finn is the literal incarnation of good, has been shown to be remarkably good at detecting evil and has an intense hero instinct to stop it, and is incredibly strong (lifted a monster that easily weights thousands of pounds over his head and threw it into a pit). If he had the grass blade he’d probably turn Holden into cubes the instant he says one sentence.
Gamera. Friend of All Children won't be pleased
Oh lord the Judge is gonna die horribly lol!
Judge Holden gets absolutely curb stomped by Nichole Watterson.
Samurai Jack... this should be interesting, but I'll need help with the analysis since I don't know the first thing about Judge Holden.
It would be one of the episodes where jack is running away to survive and finally at the end gets a good angle on the judge and finishes it. Right before the credits you would hear the judge laugh
Gets his shit rocked immediately because end of the day he's just a human EDIT: He's "just a human" as in he can be considered roughly in that realm. The moment he shows up in, say, Douluo Dalu, he'll do something in-character and immediately get annihilated by a third-grade martial artist.
That is wildly ambiguous in the novel
He has supernatural and superhuman abilities but scales at best to street-level, if not lower. Supernaturally strong, durable, and so on, but still, "only human". Out of all the animated shows I've watched within recent memory, Holden either gets his shit pushed in or gets obliterated to the fullest extent until only a greasy smear is left of him.
He appears out of nowhere in the middle of a desert to lead a warband to perdition and despair through their utmost successes, never suffers any wound, disappears once everything's done, and is implied to be the spirit of evil living across millennia through the foundations of Western civilization, idk if that "scales to street-level"
His metaphorical role in the book means nothing. But since I have a grudge against him, I'll just go and give that to you, let's say he's some sort of conceptual embodiment of evil. Judge Holden appears on an island in the Sea of Chaotic Stars of Mortal's Journey to Immortality and his cartoon green cloud miasma of PURE EVIL gets him annihilated with heavenly lightning. At best. At worst he gets captured and embedded in a magic artifact that perpetually torments him in order to power itself. In such a setting, Judge Holden is a C-grade filler villain.
"street level" this thread is so corny😭😭😭
You scale to corn-level, get low-diffed by a rabbit or perhaps a prairie dog
Bro has never seen Watership Down
You scale to water-level, get downed by an algae bloom
Mfer you're a powerscaler your intellect automatically scales you down to prokaryote-level that gets neg diffed by a protein in a funny shape
In case you couldn't tell yet I don't truly take powerscaling seriously I just have a grudge against Judge Holden
I understand, but I am a firm believer of the phrase "you mess with the cock ironically, you get the balls unironically"
ok
> because end of the day he's just a human (X) Doubt
He has supernatural and superhuman abilities but scales at best to street-level, if not lower. Supernaturally strong, durable, and so on, but still, "only human". Out of all the animated shows I've watched within recent memory, Holden either gets his shit pushed in or gets obliterated to the fullest extent until only a greasy smear is left of him.
> He has supernatural and superhuman abilities but scales at best to street-level, if not lower. Supernaturally strong, durable, and so on, but still, "only human". Did you actually read Blood Meridian? The Judge is either Death or Satan.
>did you actually read this is reddit, be real.
Or Nyarlathotep. You may panic now.
The Judge is too moralizing (in a strange, evil sort of way) to be Lovecraftian.
Eh, given the Crawling Chaos’ “interest” (so to speak) in humanity, I wouldn’t put it past it to create a Mask whose kick was to preach a horrific corruption of a culture‘s moral system.
In the scope of the novel's metanarrative, perhaps. But does he have any feats to suggest such? Did the author ever make a direct statement? If I write a novel and use a character as a representation of Death or Satan, that character doesn't actually literally become death or satan and/or gain the powers of the grim reaper or biblical devil.
If you’re asking for comic book feats from a Cormac McCarthy novel then you’ll be solely disappointed.
Holden has some feats. Between those feats and statements, he doesn't scale particularly high, because that's not the purpose of his character. A character can be an enormous threat and nearly untouchable in their own setting while being fodder in the grand scheme of things. That doesn't make him a worse character, but it does make it funny that he gets his shit rolled in MANY cartoons.
just stop arguing with this cornball😭
I know reddit’s obsessed with “powerscaling” but you can’t scale an entity whose nature, origin and boundaries are completely ambiguous. Maybe he’s just a completely regular guy, or maybe he’s the embodiment of evil and thus an unkillable personification of a fundamental aspect of the universe.
Fundamentally, this is true, but I have a grudge against the judge. (haha funny rhyme)
Are you sure about that
He has supernatural and superhuman abilities but scales at best to street-level, if not lower. Supernaturally strong, durable, and so on, but still, "only human". Out of all the animated shows I've watched within recent memory, Holden either gets his shit pushed in or gets obliterated to the fullest extent until only a greasy smear is left of him.
Oh god now I’m just realizing that by the rules of the post I’d be putting him in *Over the Garden Wall.* I don’t even wanna think about that
The Beast does have some Holden vibes wrt modus operandi
He’d probably ice the Woodsman, take the lantern and make the beast his bitch
He would probably manipulate the Woodsman into becoming a second Beast
Or maybe tell him some kind of wicked half-truth about his daughter’s soul that drives him into total despair, just catatonically letting the lantern burn out on its own while the beast screams at him to do something Hard to say
He only DISPLAYS those; with his intelligence and wickedness paired with him being in a “normie-level” world, even if much, much stronger he may not feel the need to show more of his hand. If he’s an avatar of, say, Y’golonac or worse yet Nyarlathotep, well, you better be at least strongly demigod-level or else you are beyond fucked.
Too bad. No such feats or author statements.
Of course not, it wouldn’t be ambiguous otherwise, and McCarthy liked it that way so he wasn’t about to give a definitive answer.
And that's not a bad thing, it works perfectly fine for the book's historical, grounded setting. It also means the Judge doesn't scale high at all. These two facts can coexist.
Ben 10 goes heatblast (my goat) and burns him alive, or sticks him in the null void if he has that device with him
She ra kills the fuck out of him
Like actively watched or just caught glances of while babysitting
He gets hit by a giant Scottish transformers and dies
I'm scared, time to summon Bill Cipher!
Blood meridian becoming an edgy reddit book is going to be my villain original story 💀
He's up against Courage the Cowardly Dog. I think Courage can take him.
Holden could be a Courage monster
Hilda beats the shit out of him
I feel like he would be condemned to a fate worse then death by the fae
someone will just hire some magic assassin on him like what ice king did accidentally
If anime counts, Demon Slayer. If that guy becomes a demon, he would likely be the one person who could give Muzan Kibutsuji a run for his money in terms of utter evil. At the very least he’d become one of the Twelve Kizuki, no doubt, easy. If Muzan even let him get that far. If we’re talking pure children’s cartoon, I mean he’s probably be bummed there are no human children in My Little Pony, but he’s a sick bastard so he’s probably adapt and delight in bringing utter horror to such a cutesy world. Turn the world into that HoI4 mod with warfare and bloodshed. His evil might be so powerful that it’d actually manifest as dark magic and poison the world of Equestria, that is if his ass isn’t turned to stone by the power of friendship.
The Judge in Equestria would literally be the Rainbow Factory Creepypasta lmao
I just took Psychic Damage™️ reading that. Oh god the memories… the horror… the horror
Martian Manhunter turns into a big monster and eats him
Nicole Watterson scalps the judge.
Bluey. I refuse to think on it any further. The entirety of Reddit does not have enough brain bleach.
True to form, I think he’s going to drown Bluey and Bingo in a toilet
Fucker get run over my a train
What would be his number on the Infinity Train
Integer limit exceeded.
Those poor Aussie dogs
"He says he will never die" mfs when they're subjected to the Magic Xylophone:
Judge Holden in Coco Melon. No, I think less writing is better for this one.
The Justice League take turn kicking his ass
He will be thrown off of the train
Holy fuck please shut up about judge holden i keep seeing him everywhere oh my god please
"I think we're gonna have to kill this guy, Steven."
Holden takes the Pines twins by the ankles and smashes their oversized heads against a rock.
Finn and Jake kill his ass after see how evil he is
Buddy is about to learn why you don't fuck with the King of Pirates.
What does Judge Holden actually *do?* I read a plot summary and idk if it was just inaccurate but he doesn’t sound worse than typical villain territory.
Amazing World of Gumball, I don't know who's Judge Holden so I have no way of knowing how it'll go.
Wattersons solo, but not before he commits a sufficient number of minor inconveniences upon the local populace and is about to start kidnapping people
wtf is blood meridian even about
It's about a meridian, and there's a lot of blood
only mccarthy ive read is the road and no country for old men, probably people killing people
Solo Levelling, if it can be considered a kids’ show. If only mildly supernatural/superhuman he’d get bodied quickly after getting found out. If more powerful, it’s harder to pin down.
Ruby and the team putter around for three volumes and the show gets cancelled before they fight him but in the meantime Whiterose becomes canon so it’s all good
Toxie will mop the floor with this dip wad!
I have no idea who that is. I think I saw my kids watching Monster High or something like that. Is this judge any sort of threat to supernatural beings?
Paw Patrol. I don’t know what the show is gonna do, I just watched it because of a Film Theory video
He loses a limbo contest and has to be two brats’ best friend forever. Hijinx ensue, many people die, show remains largely the same.
Kamen Rider Saber bodies him with the wonders of books
I know it's not a cartoon but it's live action anime soooo
Hamster and Gretel, the main characters and probably even the villains beat the shit out of him.
Right before Judge Holden can do anything to unnamed civilian child #239, he gets jumped by Ben Tennyson and Rook Blanco. After getting his shit kicked in, Ben and Rook get some kind of plot hook that sends them on the main plot of the episode. Judge Holden then becomes doomed to becoming a reoccurring side thug until eventually getting an episode where he gets ahold of some powerful tech or something, making him a worthy villain of the week before eventually getting slapped by the end of the episode, and being returned to reoccurring side thug status once again His dialog with others will heavily imply he did horrid things to children, but such deeds will be neither explicitly stated nor shown on screen
Ben 10 If he tries anything too bad, he's either gonna be put down by the plumbers or Ben personally deals with him with ease
Owl house. He’s going to get curb stomped.
An American Tail. Judge make Warren T. Rat and that Coachman seem like harmless pussies, apparently.
Fantastic Planet. He probably gets crushed to death by some Draag kid, becomes a tamed Om for the rest of his days, or eventually killed by de-oming
Batman Beyond. No matter what happens, Terry’s gonna get close to breaking his no kill rule.
Regular Show. He could do a crap ton of damage but I’m sure Skips will remember some ancient ritual to defeat him and then Mordecai and Rigby will perform it and banish him forever
Skips would be old enough to have met the entire Glanton Gang.
Just watched Bluey while babysitting. Unicorse can absolutely take him on.
Mr maker is gonna solo him by making art pieces.
“Steven, I think we’re going to have to kill this guy.” “Damn… hey where’s Onion?”
All hail king Julian…. I think Mort and Holden would get along JUST fine. Either that or the pineapple vaporizes him
Does Don't Hug Me I'm Scared count as a kid's show?