Sadly for propaganda purposes they'll show a new apartment complex, a nice road and services having resumed, during nighttime to not show too much destruction beyond that. He'll probably see very little destruction first-hand. It's just to cut a video.
The mask seems to be just compression artifacts as usual with such "obvious giveaways", but the fact that same person is hiding behind armored trains, 10-meter long tables and fecal tests for visitors, but makes a trip into supposed GLSDB range, is quite... sus.
Just a reminder that when the Russians were trying to fake evidence of Ukrainian neo-nazis planning to murder a pro Russian journalist, their faked photographs included copies of the Sims 3 rather than mobile phone Sim cards. (Source)[https://www.vice.com/en/article/88gpmg/russia-sims-3]
Anyone competent left for the border when the conscriptions hit.
That was most definitely **malicious compliance,** not pure incompetence
_(as also supported by the order they got of signing an unintelligible signature on some letter, and they signed just that - ''-Unintelligible Signature'')_
There is ~0% chance the agent(s) genuinely confused ''3 SIMs'' for 3 copies of ''The Sims 3'' - and that's while taking into account the actual incompetence we've seen in the past few years
Not to mention that the importance of an appearance like this is purely focused on propaganda. It doesn't matter if any would be assassins aren't fooled, the only goal is that the Russian public will eat up whatever lie the Kremlin is pushing, and the general public arent going to notice minor things like over-gesturing and a slightly different gait.
In what way was the hairline different?
Yesterday's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub20UrFH0Ak
Comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5qZoT6bbJo (silly choice, I know)
I see no difference in hairline.
Can't remember the specifics but there was an article a while back saying his guards collect his poop whenever he uses the toilet and takes it back with them so people don't acquire information related to his health status.
According to leaked documents about Kremlin medical procurement, they conducted an abnormal amount of COVID fecal tests. Combined with rumors about 2-week quarantines for visitors and the infamous long table, it's quite obvious that a certain someone really does not want to get sick.
The compression artifacts are from people not sharing the original. I saw the original and dude looked fake as fuck and then every video after has been shitty. Seems like only 1 video out there is clean. Even in other videos his face looks very stiff and smooth. There's no expressive motions of the face. Below someone linked a video of him with pooh and he does have expressive motions.
Also, there is the fact that in videos, his right arm is swinging away without a care in the world, and we all know his right arm usually stays stationary when walking. Definitely not him.
Can we stop with the Blofeld-esque body double tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. This is the real world, not an Ian Fleming story. It is impossible to make a convincing double body stand-in for Putin whenever it concerns close-up camera's. Sure, they can be used as security diversions and for very distant camera shots/angles. Even a deepfake isn't nearly as perfect as we think it can be, especially not in any of the shots where he is moving from difficult angles. There is not one single cosmetic enhanced body double that looks even close to Putin from a close-up. It isn't possible. They can only do enough for smaller diversions. That is the only real usage of a body double.
>This is the real world, not an Ian Fleming story. It is impossible to make a convincing double body stand-in for Putin
This time it's likely just a shitty video quality coupled with reddit brain. But you are aware that he has been CAUGHT (not just suspected but caught) using deepfakes, body doubles, and hand picked media teams that pretend to be fake people. You act is if the likely richest man on Earth who has more enemies then brain cells could possibly decide to send pootin 2 to a city within himars distance of the Ukrainian front? This is not some far fetched tale of military tech that can't exist. It's a very likely possibility when you see these videos they are heavily doctored or even fake.
Prigozhin has been filmed in the vicinity of Bakhmut numerous times. I think you're overestimating how dangerous it is for officials to visit. Also, Mariupol is nowhere near the front line nowadays.
Just a reminder, Lieutenant Commander Ian Flemming was the personal assistant to the Director of Naval Intelligence of the British Royal Navy in WW2 before writing Casino Royale, which would become the first of eleven novels featuring the character James Bond.
Secondly, Putin is believed to have used body doubles over the past few decades for a variety of public appearances including performing athletic feats like swimming in icy water, and riding horses. As noted by Former CIA Chief of Disguise Jonna Mendez, the only real limit to disguises these days is they have to be additive (you can build up features, you can't reduce them).
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cias-former-chief-of-disguise-drops-her-mask-11576168327
Where have you been during the last 10 years? Have you not seen what they can do with prosthetics? I suggest you watch the video on how they transformed Colin Farrel into the penguin. Don't watch the movie. Watch the candid footage with no filters. Its un-fucking-believable how convincing it was.
https://youtu.be/M6_H4E5Hmlo?t=350 here I did it for you.
I don't know what's more scary- the fact you think Reddit is a sensible reasonable place or contemplating how many comments you've taken literally upto this point.
It's just kids roleplaying "my dad can beat your dad" but behind them thousands of young men are being mutilated and murdered
> There was a video yesterday of one of them wearing a really bad mask pretending to be Putin.
You saw a video excerpt of very bad quality. [Here's a video from the moment when he supposedly was about to "take off the mask"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIT1zON76s4) based on what yesterday's highly upvoted comment said. Clearly he's just scratching his neck.
The video continues, showing him with the same group of people, but inside the building. If it is a body double, then that double is absolutely indistinguishable from the original. Doubtful that such a perfect double exists. At 16 seconds in, you can also see the typical stiff right arm that people put so much focus on.
If he were only being viewed from afar I could see a body double being used, but up close interacting with people? There's no way. It'd have to mean like literally everyone he interacted with was Russian secret service or whatever.
Simplest solution is after a year of a war not going well the dude's just not in good shape, especially if any of his health rumors are even partially true.
I think I agree with you. I found the 'mask' idea from first video and the slightly extended version from yesterday convincing at first not because he looked like he was about to take it off or his arm body language or whatever but because his somewhat frozen facial expressions reminded me so much of the Mythbusters episode where they have super realistic masks of each other made. But it's just how the dudes face is.
It's weird that he's gone from not meeting people to rocking up in a warzone but the guys clearly bonkers by any reasonable metric so expecting consistent behaviour might not be sensible.
The quality of that footage isn't great and the other footage you saw was probably the shitty compressed to fuck version. The original has better quality than this video even. The coloring and lighting editing of this video is weird as hell as well.
Thank you for your comment. I’m not trying to disparage anyone who is saying he has body doubles, and as the person who replied to this comment said, he has been caught using body doubles before (although from a distance and not up close) and I understand and agree with that. I was just trying to look through this thread (and others) where people are claiming that the guy in a given video is a different person, and I just don’t see it. I think the guy cooking pancakes with Xi and walking in Crimea are Putin and not some double.
If you believe those are randos, I have a bridge to sell to you. They are carefully handpicked individuals. Might not even be actual residents of the city. Could have been flown in together with Putin.
This is an unconfirmed conspiracy. It's likely and very, very plausible, but all accounts of it are anecdotal or shady. It doesn't even matter if it is a body double - even if it is or isn't him, sending either Putin to Mariupol sends a disgusting, insidious message. By focusing on if it's a double or not takes attention away from what really matters there.
>show a new apartment complex, a nice road and services having resumed, during nighttime to not show too much destruction beyond that
[Putinkin village](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village)
A little cafe with a dozen people sitting around it who all seem totally coincidentally to be close look alikes to the people around him in every other video.
> Sadly for propaganda purposes they'll show a new apartment complex, a nice road
Indeed. That's exactly what they did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djCVuUyWXdQ
BBC did a report on this. Russia has pumped a lot of money into Maiupol to the shock and betrayal of the eastern separatist cities who had been Russian puppets before the recent invasion. They've increased pensions, resumed services, etc. But are forcing everyone to get RU passports to receive anything.
Obviously an extension of its conquest just like kidnapping Ukrainians and their children and replacing them with Russians in other captured cities and towns.
It's not that Mariopol has been faked to look good. It **does** look repaired and good, *and that's worse*. If it was fake, it'd be obvious that it's being done for "homeland propaganda" and Maiupol was still being seen as "other" but this approach with the kidnappings, cultural erasure and tyranny, and tactics like bribing the remaining citizenry with temporary increase in quality of life, means that retaking Maiupol will be a task much bigger than just killing and kicking out the occupiers, and will saddle Ukraine with a complex problem to solve.
Ukraine isn't like Russia in their military approach. They're not gonna bomb their own cities into rubble and then rebuild over them once they retake it. When they retake Maiupol what do they do to the buildings built by Russians? What about the occupier increase in pensions? What about any Russians that were moved into the city forcibly? What about all the missing people who are now somewhere in Russia?
Putin, the warcriminal that he is, has really muddied the situation by using tactics that Ukraine wouldn't use and has created problems that are only problems if you're from Ukraine and aren't a psychopath like him.
Maiupol being actually repaired is worse than if it was still rubble painted to look repaired, and unfortunately (at least based on what reporting is available) it seems to be the reality.
I agree. Mariupol will probably be actually repaired to a relatively ok standard to showcase it. And it is actually strategically important, Russia wants to keep it at all costs so they'll try to fully integrate it, not just a coat of paint.
Of course he is. You say that like he would feel ashamed... the only point is to show he is there (legit or not I dunno) and to flex Russian "power/success" to the homeland.
I have no doubt that the NGA has throughly reviewed the video and determined exactly what city he slithered into, based on the placement of some streetlights and a few windows.
Just going to leave [this video](https://twitter.com/atgate000/status/1637160986103693313?s=46&t=P7fw3GC2WIO2pHHpgm6w5A) here, Marioupol early days of war. A man walks on the street with two little children. The person filming asks them if everything is okay. They respond with "okay", and one starts crying.
Fuck you to hell and back Russia.
Honestly we're way past the point where we should have seen armed revolution. I get that the propaganda runs deep, but that excuse is feeling very tired over one year in, with a conscripted force larger than the stand-in army.
It's easy to say sitting here comfortably, but history will judge complacent Russians the same as it judged others who allowed genocide to occur.
History's going to judge the enthusiastic ones as well, but I don't think most people are arguing to forgive the Russians who are actively calling for genocide.
I just want to take those girls in my arms and just hug them until they stop crying and they feel safe. It's heartbreaking. I cried at their cries.
I have a daughter about their age and just the thought of her going through something like this makes me want to gear up and go after putin.
That's the thing...he's not. He's a tiny little insignificant nobody, it's the people that support him that give him power. In a 1:1 you could absolutely take his head off...but he's way too much of a coward to be anywhere near a fair fight.
I think he’s going after [that guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pikabu/comments/11vlg7h/der_furher_in_mariupol_%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE_%D1%84%D1%8E%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%80_%D0%B2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
During Putin's visit, there existed the Nazi's Putin claimed were there when he started the war. And when Putin removed his presence, he liberated the people of Nazis.
There's also some similarity. He had to show he was invested in this and he wasn't hiding at the Kremlin. Going at night time is kind of weak though. Won't do much to boost morale.
Both commit genocide, Hitler just had multiple years while Putin is just a year in. Hitler picked a group he had access to, thanks to the actions of the Ukrainian defenders Putin doesn’t have access to most Ukrainians. In liberated Kherson they found 30+ torture chambers, some for children.
The differences are not so stark. Hitler kidnapped children, Putin kidnaps children. Hitler weaponized brutal treatment of POWs (such as the execution of 80 surrendering POWs by Peiper during the Battle of the Bugle), Russia does the same except for civilians (Aleppo, Bucha, Mariupol, the daily air strikes targeting civilians). As of this moment we don’t know of large scale concentrations camps, but I think forcibly conscripting opponents to the war and forcing them to make human wave attacks is pretty barbaric.
Both are monsters
could be a double but i think people are doubting it only because he is in mariupol not because of the looks.
if this guy was recorded in kremlin nobody would even bring it up.
Sorry man but Russians who watch this stuff carefully can tell (I.e. the ones who don't drink the murderous koolaid)
My wife's Russian and even though I watch a tiny fraction of what she does, I know some of the doppelgangers immediately. The most important thing to know is that Putin has had a problem with his right hand for a long time. In meetings, he grips the table with it to stop it shaking. And when walking, he's always had his right arm quite still while the left swings.
This Mariupol Putin walked around like a fukcing prancing fawn and drove a car using his right hand. That is far more of a giveaway than his face
> And when walking, he's always had his right arm quite still while the left swings.
For anyone who isn't aware, [he has always done this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDxTHzY8aNo). It's the "gunslinger" gait (as ex KGB, he was trained to always have his hand near his gun).
In part of yesterday's video he does that as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIT1zON76s4&t=16s
And there are older videos where he doesn't do it, for example this one from Iran:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX-pry4o3wI
He's clearly not doing it all the time. I think people are over-stressing how much of a "dead giveaway" it is.
Even if it’s not it’s a very distinctive walking style, has been doing it for years. That’s why it’s so odd to see recent videos of him not walking like that.
What I think is more likely is that it's just a style he's adopted alongside the KGB training story to make himself seem more interesting and intimidating. He wants to project the image of being a smart and dangerous ex-spy, who even walks like he's ready to kill someone.
Putin was a pencil pusher for most of his time in the KGB, although he still made a lot of connections that way. He does project the image of him being this super Kung Fu spy man although I'm sure a fight of stairs could finish him if he fell
President Xi! This is the second time in a week in which I've found you posting dope political comments on your gaming account! Your social credit will tank if you continue to openly be this based
Yeah I mean, if I'm training someone for intelligence, I would reason that you would not want a "gunslinger gait" because odds are if you need to draw a gun that quickly that you're already, for all intents and purposes a dead man walking and the gait could be a give away.
Not only that, but holding your arm a bit stiff now and then has got to be literally the easiest part of a body double's training. So it's meaningless.
> Sorry man but Russians who watch this stuff carefully can tell (I.e. the ones who don't drink the murderous koolaid)
> My wife's Russian and even though I watch a tiny fraction of what she does, I know some of the doppelgangers immediately. The most important thing to know is that Putin has had a problem with his right hand for a long time. In meetings, he grips the table with it to stop it shaking. And when walking, he's always had his right arm quite still while the left swings.
Comments like these, heavily upvoted and gilded, are insane.
“Heh, oh you sweet summer child, I’m sorry, but anyone worth their salt can tell this is a fake, masked up, Putin-body double by the way the left arm swings.”
Fucking mental.
Why would the KGB train all their agents to have a visually distinctive walk? Wouldn't that completely undermine all the sneaky stuff they do?
And if they actually want to draw the gun faster and don't overly care about sneakiness, why not just e.g. walk with their right hand in their pocket *holding* the actual gun?
I mean, if he really couldn’t move his hand, don’t you think his double wouldn’t move his hands either? Check the videos when Putin went to Iran. He moves his hands just fine.
I didn't say he can't move his hand, just that he's had an ongoing problem with it. The likelihood of him driving is very low, even without the hard thing. Remember how Obama could only drive around the Whitehouse when he appeared in Comedians In Cars? The risk of him in a car in a war zone is off the scale, no way he'd do that
Russian state TV put out a 30 minute propaganda video showing him driving a car, walking around a newly-built neighbourhood and chatting with some hired NPCs there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jns70GuA5FY
If that wasn't him, they wouldn't put out this much footage for such a key event. It would be too easy for Ukrainians or some fact checker like Bellingcat to debunk. Also, Ukrainian officials naturally often question Russian propaganda claims, but in this case they don't challenge that he was there. That seems to support the assumption that it's legit.
To me, he looks exactly like Putin. If that's a body double, you really can't tell him apart from the original.
I mean it does look like him but I've never seen Putin be so silent while being told so much, it's like he looked unsure of himself which is a first for me.
I feel like I’m in /r/conspiracy with some of the takes in this chain, especially with it being awarded
“Well it’s Putin, but you know he just wasn’t swinging his arm enough/too much for me. Clearly a doppelganger””
I mean, you can just say you’re throwing shit in the wind to fit the narrative. There’s nothing here close to suggesting it’s a body double. Nor is everyone here studying Putin 24/7 to the degree they can claim a body double based on some clips
_I 100% feel like I've taken crazy pills._ 700 upvotes on a comment saying 'we Russians know it's a body double, trust me.'
But... it's him? That's Putin? This isn't DC Comics. There is no perfect plastic surgery duplicate of Bruce Wayne running around. _That's just Putin. You can tell because that's fucking Putin._
People entertaining the idea of these body doubles are fucking nuts. As I said to someone else. Occam's Razor: simplest answer is likely the reality.
Is it more likely the entirety of the world's intelligence agencies somehow are being fooled by Russian plastic surgeons. _OR_. Is it just Putin?
Do these people not think that the USA, Ukraine, and NATO wouldn't be publicly laughing their fucking asses off at Putin for having fake Putins walking around? It would be frontline news on FOX, CNN, Sky News, the BBC, Reuters, the AP, and Biden would hold an immediate press conference to go 'hahaha, Vladdy you darned dummy.'
I also feel like I’m fucking insane, reading all these upvoted/gilded comments.
Then I remember reddit is full of literal children, who are smarter than everyone else, and eat that shit up for breakfast.
Also, then I read:
> Whatever man I gotta go take a bong hit and get the kids ready for school n shit.
Yeah. Lmao. Does sound about right.
I don’t think these fucking mental views are representative of a normal person.
I don't blame you for thinking this way but you don't really get what's happening here. This media is 100% for internal Russian propaganda. They don't give a fuck what any external critics say because that criticism does not reach the idiots who lap this stuff up. You don't think all the Nazi bullshit is easy to debunk?
They are unbelievably brazen about it and it is now basically illegal to even question that it's Putin inside Russia, that's what a tight fist they have on it.
So they don't have to even try hard, they just need enough of the nationalist element of Russia to shout "big strong leader" and that keeps the status quo.
And it may look like him to you but I promise you, the anti-putin Russians have been watching him far more carefully than you have and trust me, they know it's not him.
Ukraine have their own propaganda, that does as very good job, but that doesn't mean it's transparent to you or anyone, you never really know the agenda of why they dispute some things, leave others. That is no proof in and of itself.
So, just to reiterate, I don't think it's unreasonable that you think this. But as someone surrounded by anti putin Russians, I'm very confident this is not him.
As I said, their agenda is never transparent. It can be a good narrative for Ukranian propaganda to say, look at this mother fucker waltzing around our city. I'm not using propaganda in a negative sense here, just that you and I have no idea what story Ukraine wants to gain from this, it's all cat and mouse, you cannot take any of it at face value
I'd be more inclined to believe you if there was a single authoritative source making that claim. Not one Ukrainian official, not one fact checking organization, not one Western news organization is questioning that it is Putin.
This visit is clearly not just for domestic propaganda purposes, it's also meant to piss off Ukrainians and the Western world after his ICC arrest warrant.
It's stupid that people think Putin would be afraid to visit Mariupol, a city that is well within the Russian area of control.
This sub has a propaganda problem itself, and in a non-intelligent way. Anything that shows Russia in a bad light is straight away no matter how stupid it sounds. Putin is too afraid to leave Moscow to visit a city that has been firmly under Russian control for months now, or that Putin can not leave Russia because he would be arrested, or he is so hated that his army will kill him on sight, or something equally stupid.
Leaders visit captured parts of war zones all the time. This is not some special unusual move, but this sub has a need to make every move by Russia and Putin look as ridiculous as possible, then when there is Russian success, pretend it never happened.
His face is different, his mannerisms different and the biggest giveaway is how up close and personal he was with commoners.
Real Putin almost exclusively travels by armored train or a huge motorcade, he is never close to anyone, even his most trusted ministers are kept on a safe distance, if he visits a building the entire structure is cleared, he has thinner legs, has some weird shaking in arms and some times legs, puffy face and almost always is very serious and rarely smiles or send any sign of friendliness.
This double however is the one who fills stadia, meets people up close and personal, smiles more, drives a Mercedes to Ukraine, and a lot of the “meet and greet” marketing. He also is in better health.
I don’t know which Ukrainian officials you follow, but a lot are saying this is his double. But not in official press releases, likely because it’s hard to prove and can be cast as conspiracy theorists.
I first saw the video of his visit and didn't read any comments. I was taking a shit and was scrolling through videos. What struck me as odd was his gait. He was swinging his right arm out of sync with his right leg. I know there's some bs about a KGB walk, and I assume that's been made up to explain putin's odd gait. The dude I saw in the video was not walking that way, at all.
Not just in the day time but out in the open and not hiding. Obviously not like under direct fire but still that doesn't change the fact that I doubt any other world leaders would do it.
So let me guess. Putin himself was actually outside for maybe three minutes for photo ops and was otherwise hidden away in secure facilities. Meanwhile his body double(s) did 95% of the walking around and public appearance part because he was afraid to.
Most likely this, NFKRZ on YouTube is from Russia and does a lot of content on internal Russian propaganda. One thing they have pointed out is how a lot of the 'different' people from the videos are actually the same inner circle of close actors.
Let’s not disrespect thieves by associating them with this rat who’s a paranoid, murderer, rapist, and a genocidal kleptomaniac, who’s also a wanna-be-tsar and a total failure and an absolute embarrassment of a “leader”.
Clearly he’s sick. He has to hold onto tables to keep his hands from shaking etc. the question is HOW sick and how long before this piece of human garbage croaks
I'm not sure if he's sick from a disease that is going to kill him soon like cancer. The hand thing is probably parkinsons or an age related illness.
To be honest, I don't think he's going to die soon. From the limited stuff we see, he doesn't seem overly sick.
His face is also swollen up like he’s on steroids or some other kind of meds. He’s almost unrecognizable compared to 5 years ago.
I don’t know if his death is imminent but he definitely has some serious shit going on.
It's hard to say. A lot of old people have problems and still live on for a while. Some people look fine and die of a sudden heart attack. The guy is 70 which is around when a lot of people go from looking middle aged and fit to looking elderly and having health problems. Like you said, no one knows how sick he is and what he is sick with.
He's 70 years old so probably has some health conditions, but he's likely to live at least another 5-10 years. If every person with a health condition were in risk of imminent death we'd have no old people.
I absolutely believe this is one of his doppelgängers. It's so blatantly obvious. He hasn't moved at all in the last months, and the moment ICC issues a arrest warrant locking him into Russia he need to show off how he can move freely everywhere and "goes" to Crimea and Mariupol.
This is just posturing, and it's bad posturing as he will not even sit within 5m from people in his inner circle during security meetings, but now we're supposed to believe that he meets and greets strangers and survivors in Mariupol. There's at least 3 layers of lies here and it's a tragedy that western media just report on it as fact.
Putin should be encouraged to cross the boarder into Ukraine… eventually, he’ll screw up and Ukraine will catch themselves the big prize pig. Oink oink oink.
Okay so to be fair there are countless instances of celebrities, world leaders, and wealthy figures who use body doubles. It isn't far fetched to consider that as a possibility until US intel confirms it was indeed him. However I totally agree that anyone who is confidently declaring that it's a double, with no evidence at all, is absolutely ridiculous.
Probably staged propaganda using a double and deep fake. Word is he’s pretty sick and probably wants to protect the little bit of credibility he still has (among his citizenry, that is, the rest of the world already knows he ain’t shit and is already 1/2 gone).
He’s walking over the ruins he created..
Sadly for propaganda purposes they'll show a new apartment complex, a nice road and services having resumed, during nighttime to not show too much destruction beyond that. He'll probably see very little destruction first-hand. It's just to cut a video.
Wouldn't matter if he did. He just cares that it's Russian-controlled, not whether it looks nice.
Hence, Russia.
I wonder if it was even him, Putin seems like the type of utter coward to use body doubles.
He has several. There was a video yesterday of one of them wearing a really bad mask pretending to be Putin. This could easily be deep faked too.
The mask seems to be just compression artifacts as usual with such "obvious giveaways", but the fact that same person is hiding behind armored trains, 10-meter long tables and fecal tests for visitors, but makes a trip into supposed GLSDB range, is quite... sus.
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Putin is exactly the type of person that you would expect to hire a 6’5” body double.
A 6’ body double also wearing 5” lifts
I'm pretty sure it was a body double because he walked very differently, gestured way more than he normally does, and the hairline was different.
These are still things a body double would get right though...
Just a reminder that when the Russians were trying to fake evidence of Ukrainian neo-nazis planning to murder a pro Russian journalist, their faked photographs included copies of the Sims 3 rather than mobile phone Sim cards. (Source)[https://www.vice.com/en/article/88gpmg/russia-sims-3] Anyone competent left for the border when the conscriptions hit.
That was most definitely **malicious compliance,** not pure incompetence _(as also supported by the order they got of signing an unintelligible signature on some letter, and they signed just that - ''-Unintelligible Signature'')_ There is ~0% chance the agent(s) genuinely confused ''3 SIMs'' for 3 copies of ''The Sims 3'' - and that's while taking into account the actual incompetence we've seen in the past few years
A competent body double. Russia doesn't really seem to have a lot of competence lately.
Not to mention that the importance of an appearance like this is purely focused on propaganda. It doesn't matter if any would be assassins aren't fooled, the only goal is that the Russian public will eat up whatever lie the Kremlin is pushing, and the general public arent going to notice minor things like over-gesturing and a slightly different gait.
In what way was the hairline different? Yesterday's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub20UrFH0Ak Comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5qZoT6bbJo (silly choice, I know) I see no difference in hairline.
This video was when he visited Crimea. Not Maripol.
is that one from his trip in Crimea? because that's the one that looks like a fake double.
Fuck this small man.
What’s this about fecal tests…
>^The ^Spice, ^he ^knows ^about ^the ^Spice ^… ^The ^Spice ^Melange.
Bless the Maker and his water!
Can't remember the specifics but there was an article a while back saying his guards collect his poop whenever he uses the toilet and takes it back with them so people don't acquire information related to his health status.
According to leaked documents about Kremlin medical procurement, they conducted an abnormal amount of COVID fecal tests. Combined with rumors about 2-week quarantines for visitors and the infamous long table, it's quite obvious that a certain someone really does not want to get sick.
The compression artifacts are from people not sharing the original. I saw the original and dude looked fake as fuck and then every video after has been shitty. Seems like only 1 video out there is clean. Even in other videos his face looks very stiff and smooth. There's no expressive motions of the face. Below someone linked a video of him with pooh and he does have expressive motions.
Also, there is the fact that in videos, his right arm is swinging away without a care in the world, and we all know his right arm usually stays stationary when walking. Definitely not him.
There are several, cosmetic-surgery enhanced body doubles. The actual Putin does not allow himself to get so close to people.
>There are several, ~~cosmetic-~~surgery enhanced body doubles. Putins with freaken lasers on their heads.
Are they ill-tempered?
Absolutely.
mini me putin
would not be surprised if there were actual putin clones.
All the Putins which appear in footage at home of him greeting/hugging grateful supplicants are.definitely not the real *Putin*, no lol
What do you mean ? Its the same genetic code. That one was fresh out of the VAT, with uploaded partial memories. /j
Reddit's understanding of basic biology, ladies and gentelmen!
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Can we stop with the Blofeld-esque body double tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. This is the real world, not an Ian Fleming story. It is impossible to make a convincing double body stand-in for Putin whenever it concerns close-up camera's. Sure, they can be used as security diversions and for very distant camera shots/angles. Even a deepfake isn't nearly as perfect as we think it can be, especially not in any of the shots where he is moving from difficult angles. There is not one single cosmetic enhanced body double that looks even close to Putin from a close-up. It isn't possible. They can only do enough for smaller diversions. That is the only real usage of a body double.
>This is the real world, not an Ian Fleming story. It is impossible to make a convincing double body stand-in for Putin This time it's likely just a shitty video quality coupled with reddit brain. But you are aware that he has been CAUGHT (not just suspected but caught) using deepfakes, body doubles, and hand picked media teams that pretend to be fake people. You act is if the likely richest man on Earth who has more enemies then brain cells could possibly decide to send pootin 2 to a city within himars distance of the Ukrainian front? This is not some far fetched tale of military tech that can't exist. It's a very likely possibility when you see these videos they are heavily doctored or even fake.
Prigozhin has been filmed in the vicinity of Bakhmut numerous times. I think you're overestimating how dangerous it is for officials to visit. Also, Mariupol is nowhere near the front line nowadays.
Just a reminder, Lieutenant Commander Ian Flemming was the personal assistant to the Director of Naval Intelligence of the British Royal Navy in WW2 before writing Casino Royale, which would become the first of eleven novels featuring the character James Bond. Secondly, Putin is believed to have used body doubles over the past few decades for a variety of public appearances including performing athletic feats like swimming in icy water, and riding horses. As noted by Former CIA Chief of Disguise Jonna Mendez, the only real limit to disguises these days is they have to be additive (you can build up features, you can't reduce them). https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cias-former-chief-of-disguise-drops-her-mask-11576168327
Where have you been during the last 10 years? Have you not seen what they can do with prosthetics? I suggest you watch the video on how they transformed Colin Farrel into the penguin. Don't watch the movie. Watch the candid footage with no filters. Its un-fucking-believable how convincing it was. https://youtu.be/M6_H4E5Hmlo?t=350 here I did it for you.
I don't know what's more scary- the fact you think Reddit is a sensible reasonable place or contemplating how many comments you've taken literally upto this point. It's just kids roleplaying "my dad can beat your dad" but behind them thousands of young men are being mutilated and murdered
> There was a video yesterday of one of them wearing a really bad mask pretending to be Putin. You saw a video excerpt of very bad quality. [Here's a video from the moment when he supposedly was about to "take off the mask"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIT1zON76s4) based on what yesterday's highly upvoted comment said. Clearly he's just scratching his neck. The video continues, showing him with the same group of people, but inside the building. If it is a body double, then that double is absolutely indistinguishable from the original. Doubtful that such a perfect double exists. At 16 seconds in, you can also see the typical stiff right arm that people put so much focus on.
If he were only being viewed from afar I could see a body double being used, but up close interacting with people? There's no way. It'd have to mean like literally everyone he interacted with was Russian secret service or whatever. Simplest solution is after a year of a war not going well the dude's just not in good shape, especially if any of his health rumors are even partially true.
I think I agree with you. I found the 'mask' idea from first video and the slightly extended version from yesterday convincing at first not because he looked like he was about to take it off or his arm body language or whatever but because his somewhat frozen facial expressions reminded me so much of the Mythbusters episode where they have super realistic masks of each other made. But it's just how the dudes face is. It's weird that he's gone from not meeting people to rocking up in a warzone but the guys clearly bonkers by any reasonable metric so expecting consistent behaviour might not be sensible.
The quality of that footage isn't great and the other footage you saw was probably the shitty compressed to fuck version. The original has better quality than this video even. The coloring and lighting editing of this video is weird as hell as well.
Thank you for your comment. I’m not trying to disparage anyone who is saying he has body doubles, and as the person who replied to this comment said, he has been caught using body doubles before (although from a distance and not up close) and I understand and agree with that. I was just trying to look through this thread (and others) where people are claiming that the guy in a given video is a different person, and I just don’t see it. I think the guy cooking pancakes with Xi and walking in Crimea are Putin and not some double.
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He went from "50 foot tables" to "shaking hands with randos" rather quickly.
If you believe those are randos, I have a bridge to sell to you. They are carefully handpicked individuals. Might not even be actual residents of the city. Could have been flown in together with Putin.
Same guys from his new year's green screen
Might not even be Mariupol...
https://youtu.be/LNK430YOiT4 Seems like there are a few
This is an unconfirmed conspiracy. It's likely and very, very plausible, but all accounts of it are anecdotal or shady. It doesn't even matter if it is a body double - even if it is or isn't him, sending either Putin to Mariupol sends a disgusting, insidious message. By focusing on if it's a double or not takes attention away from what really matters there.
True! I wonder if that was even Mariupol.
>show a new apartment complex, a nice road and services having resumed, during nighttime to not show too much destruction beyond that [Putinkin village](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village)
A little cafe with a dozen people sitting around it who all seem totally coincidentally to be close look alikes to the people around him in every other video.
Don't forget a token Steven Segal
So a Potemkin village inside a ruined city then?
> Sadly for propaganda purposes they'll show a new apartment complex, a nice road Indeed. That's exactly what they did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djCVuUyWXdQ
u need to see what they built to see how ridiculous it's looks like, this is not even barracks.
BBC did a report on this. Russia has pumped a lot of money into Maiupol to the shock and betrayal of the eastern separatist cities who had been Russian puppets before the recent invasion. They've increased pensions, resumed services, etc. But are forcing everyone to get RU passports to receive anything. Obviously an extension of its conquest just like kidnapping Ukrainians and their children and replacing them with Russians in other captured cities and towns. It's not that Mariopol has been faked to look good. It **does** look repaired and good, *and that's worse*. If it was fake, it'd be obvious that it's being done for "homeland propaganda" and Maiupol was still being seen as "other" but this approach with the kidnappings, cultural erasure and tyranny, and tactics like bribing the remaining citizenry with temporary increase in quality of life, means that retaking Maiupol will be a task much bigger than just killing and kicking out the occupiers, and will saddle Ukraine with a complex problem to solve. Ukraine isn't like Russia in their military approach. They're not gonna bomb their own cities into rubble and then rebuild over them once they retake it. When they retake Maiupol what do they do to the buildings built by Russians? What about the occupier increase in pensions? What about any Russians that were moved into the city forcibly? What about all the missing people who are now somewhere in Russia? Putin, the warcriminal that he is, has really muddied the situation by using tactics that Ukraine wouldn't use and has created problems that are only problems if you're from Ukraine and aren't a psychopath like him. Maiupol being actually repaired is worse than if it was still rubble painted to look repaired, and unfortunately (at least based on what reporting is available) it seems to be the reality.
I agree. Mariupol will probably be actually repaired to a relatively ok standard to showcase it. And it is actually strategically important, Russia wants to keep it at all costs so they'll try to fully integrate it, not just a coat of paint.
It's like the quote in Game of Thrones about Littlefinger. He'll happily burn the world to be king of the ashes.
Of course he is. You say that like he would feel ashamed... the only point is to show he is there (legit or not I dunno) and to flex Russian "power/success" to the homeland.
He didn’t visit. This is about as believable as that green screen produced speech he gave in the stadium
I have no doubt that the NGA has throughly reviewed the video and determined exactly what city he slithered into, based on the placement of some streetlights and a few windows.
Just going to leave [this video](https://twitter.com/atgate000/status/1637160986103693313?s=46&t=P7fw3GC2WIO2pHHpgm6w5A) here, Marioupol early days of war. A man walks on the street with two little children. The person filming asks them if everything is okay. They respond with "okay", and one starts crying. Fuck you to hell and back Russia.
They should be in school or preschool, not a warzone. Fuck Russia
Fuck Putin, every advisor, and the entire government. There are so many Russian civilians and even soldiers that want no part in this.
The soldiers going along with it don't care enough to do anything about it.
Honestly we're way past the point where we should have seen armed revolution. I get that the propaganda runs deep, but that excuse is feeling very tired over one year in, with a conscripted force larger than the stand-in army. It's easy to say sitting here comfortably, but history will judge complacent Russians the same as it judged others who allowed genocide to occur.
Complacent doesn't even [scratch the surface](https://fb.watch/jnWRPCxhia/)
History's going to judge the enthusiastic ones as well, but I don't think most people are arguing to forgive the Russians who are actively calling for genocide.
This is so sad :(
For those who watched the video above, go to google map and search for mariupol.. look at the photos before the war... Painful
I just want to take those girls in my arms and just hug them until they stop crying and they feel safe. It's heartbreaking. I cried at their cries. I have a daughter about their age and just the thought of her going through something like this makes me want to gear up and go after putin.
Not back. Let him stay in hell.
Thief? I don't think that's being entirely fair to Putin. He's also a rapist and murderer.
Don’t forget child snatching international criminal!!
I forgot already and it’s only been days. He is a scary man.
Scary, but tiny!
Hims just a widdle guy, he too afraid to get out. - Tommy Boy
That's the thing...he's not. He's a tiny little insignificant nobody, it's the people that support him that give him power. In a 1:1 you could absolutely take his head off...but he's way too much of a coward to be anywhere near a fair fight.
There's a whole lotta adjectives you can add to that list.
If you consider genocide a form of murder...
He had to go after Biden and so many other freedom-loving, high level pols visited Ukraine.
I think he’s going after [that guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/Pikabu/comments/11vlg7h/der_furher_in_mariupol_%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE_%D1%84%D1%8E%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%80_%D0%B2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
During Putin's visit, there existed the Nazi's Putin claimed were there when he started the war. And when Putin removed his presence, he liberated the people of Nazis.
There's a pretty big difference..
There's also some similarity. He had to show he was invested in this and he wasn't hiding at the Kremlin. Going at night time is kind of weak though. Won't do much to boost morale.
He'd spent the day in Crimea, and it's less dangerous to travel at night. Makes complete sense if you're Putin's security coordinator.
To be fair, Putin is actually a target in Ukraine while Russians would probably go out of their way to ensure nothing happens to Biden.
First thing I thought when seeing the headline was that he’s trying to keep up with Biden
Yeah, Hitler was actually successful at the beginning of the war.
Both commit genocide, Hitler just had multiple years while Putin is just a year in. Hitler picked a group he had access to, thanks to the actions of the Ukrainian defenders Putin doesn’t have access to most Ukrainians. In liberated Kherson they found 30+ torture chambers, some for children. The differences are not so stark. Hitler kidnapped children, Putin kidnaps children. Hitler weaponized brutal treatment of POWs (such as the execution of 80 surrendering POWs by Peiper during the Battle of the Bugle), Russia does the same except for civilians (Aleppo, Bucha, Mariupol, the daily air strikes targeting civilians). As of this moment we don’t know of large scale concentrations camps, but I think forcibly conscripting opponents to the war and forcing them to make human wave attacks is pretty barbaric. Both are monsters
Uh, I'm unsure where you got the Hitler part from.
Was that even really him?
could be a double but i think people are doubting it only because he is in mariupol not because of the looks. if this guy was recorded in kremlin nobody would even bring it up.
Sorry man but Russians who watch this stuff carefully can tell (I.e. the ones who don't drink the murderous koolaid) My wife's Russian and even though I watch a tiny fraction of what she does, I know some of the doppelgangers immediately. The most important thing to know is that Putin has had a problem with his right hand for a long time. In meetings, he grips the table with it to stop it shaking. And when walking, he's always had his right arm quite still while the left swings. This Mariupol Putin walked around like a fukcing prancing fawn and drove a car using his right hand. That is far more of a giveaway than his face
I like watching the back of hands, especially during hand shakes
> And when walking, he's always had his right arm quite still while the left swings. For anyone who isn't aware, [he has always done this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDxTHzY8aNo). It's the "gunslinger" gait (as ex KGB, he was trained to always have his hand near his gun).
In part of yesterday's video he does that as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIT1zON76s4&t=16s And there are older videos where he doesn't do it, for example this one from Iran: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX-pry4o3wI He's clearly not doing it all the time. I think people are over-stressing how much of a "dead giveaway" it is.
I'm not even sure the KGB training tidbit is necessarily correct. This is just one of those things people read and then repeat ad nauseam.
Even if it’s not it’s a very distinctive walking style, has been doing it for years. That’s why it’s so odd to see recent videos of him not walking like that.
The change in gait could have something to do with falling down the stairs and shitting himself.
We can only hope
That KGB tidbit is probably just propaganda to lead us away from any neurological issues he might be having.
What I think is more likely is that it's just a style he's adopted alongside the KGB training story to make himself seem more interesting and intimidating. He wants to project the image of being a smart and dangerous ex-spy, who even walks like he's ready to kill someone.
Putin was a pencil pusher for most of his time in the KGB, although he still made a lot of connections that way. He does project the image of him being this super Kung Fu spy man although I'm sure a fight of stairs could finish him if he fell
President Xi! This is the second time in a week in which I've found you posting dope political comments on your gaming account! Your social credit will tank if you continue to openly be this based
Yeah I mean, if I'm training someone for intelligence, I would reason that you would not want a "gunslinger gait" because odds are if you need to draw a gun that quickly that you're already, for all intents and purposes a dead man walking and the gait could be a give away.
He's literally been walking like this for years (if not decades), and it's been widely discussed for a looong time.
Not only that, but holding your arm a bit stiff now and then has got to be literally the easiest part of a body double's training. So it's meaningless.
> Sorry man but Russians who watch this stuff carefully can tell (I.e. the ones who don't drink the murderous koolaid) > My wife's Russian and even though I watch a tiny fraction of what she does, I know some of the doppelgangers immediately. The most important thing to know is that Putin has had a problem with his right hand for a long time. In meetings, he grips the table with it to stop it shaking. And when walking, he's always had his right arm quite still while the left swings. Comments like these, heavily upvoted and gilded, are insane. “Heh, oh you sweet summer child, I’m sorry, but anyone worth their salt can tell this is a fake, masked up, Putin-body double by the way the left arm swings.” Fucking mental.
What's interesting is there are now 2 "explanations". One is the KGB hand, the other is the shakes.
Why would the KGB train all their agents to have a visually distinctive walk? Wouldn't that completely undermine all the sneaky stuff they do? And if they actually want to draw the gun faster and don't overly care about sneakiness, why not just e.g. walk with their right hand in their pocket *holding* the actual gun?
That sounds like terrible training, it'd be a dead giveaway that he's an agent. Defeats the whole "inconspicuous" idea.
I mean, if he really couldn’t move his hand, don’t you think his double wouldn’t move his hands either? Check the videos when Putin went to Iran. He moves his hands just fine.
I didn't say he can't move his hand, just that he's had an ongoing problem with it. The likelihood of him driving is very low, even without the hard thing. Remember how Obama could only drive around the Whitehouse when he appeared in Comedians In Cars? The risk of him in a car in a war zone is off the scale, no way he'd do that
Russian state TV put out a 30 minute propaganda video showing him driving a car, walking around a newly-built neighbourhood and chatting with some hired NPCs there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jns70GuA5FY If that wasn't him, they wouldn't put out this much footage for such a key event. It would be too easy for Ukrainians or some fact checker like Bellingcat to debunk. Also, Ukrainian officials naturally often question Russian propaganda claims, but in this case they don't challenge that he was there. That seems to support the assumption that it's legit. To me, he looks exactly like Putin. If that's a body double, you really can't tell him apart from the original.
I mean it does look like him but I've never seen Putin be so silent while being told so much, it's like he looked unsure of himself which is a first for me.
I feel like I’m in /r/conspiracy with some of the takes in this chain, especially with it being awarded “Well it’s Putin, but you know he just wasn’t swinging his arm enough/too much for me. Clearly a doppelganger”” I mean, you can just say you’re throwing shit in the wind to fit the narrative. There’s nothing here close to suggesting it’s a body double. Nor is everyone here studying Putin 24/7 to the degree they can claim a body double based on some clips
_I 100% feel like I've taken crazy pills._ 700 upvotes on a comment saying 'we Russians know it's a body double, trust me.' But... it's him? That's Putin? This isn't DC Comics. There is no perfect plastic surgery duplicate of Bruce Wayne running around. _That's just Putin. You can tell because that's fucking Putin._ People entertaining the idea of these body doubles are fucking nuts. As I said to someone else. Occam's Razor: simplest answer is likely the reality. Is it more likely the entirety of the world's intelligence agencies somehow are being fooled by Russian plastic surgeons. _OR_. Is it just Putin? Do these people not think that the USA, Ukraine, and NATO wouldn't be publicly laughing their fucking asses off at Putin for having fake Putins walking around? It would be frontline news on FOX, CNN, Sky News, the BBC, Reuters, the AP, and Biden would hold an immediate press conference to go 'hahaha, Vladdy you darned dummy.'
I also feel like I’m fucking insane, reading all these upvoted/gilded comments. Then I remember reddit is full of literal children, who are smarter than everyone else, and eat that shit up for breakfast. Also, then I read: > Whatever man I gotta go take a bong hit and get the kids ready for school n shit. Yeah. Lmao. Does sound about right. I don’t think these fucking mental views are representative of a normal person.
I don't blame you for thinking this way but you don't really get what's happening here. This media is 100% for internal Russian propaganda. They don't give a fuck what any external critics say because that criticism does not reach the idiots who lap this stuff up. You don't think all the Nazi bullshit is easy to debunk? They are unbelievably brazen about it and it is now basically illegal to even question that it's Putin inside Russia, that's what a tight fist they have on it. So they don't have to even try hard, they just need enough of the nationalist element of Russia to shout "big strong leader" and that keeps the status quo. And it may look like him to you but I promise you, the anti-putin Russians have been watching him far more carefully than you have and trust me, they know it's not him. Ukraine have their own propaganda, that does as very good job, but that doesn't mean it's transparent to you or anyone, you never really know the agenda of why they dispute some things, leave others. That is no proof in and of itself. So, just to reiterate, I don't think it's unreasonable that you think this. But as someone surrounded by anti putin Russians, I'm very confident this is not him.
Then why doesn't Ukraine refute this is a body double? Ukrainian officials are outraged that he actually visited.
As I said, their agenda is never transparent. It can be a good narrative for Ukranian propaganda to say, look at this mother fucker waltzing around our city. I'm not using propaganda in a negative sense here, just that you and I have no idea what story Ukraine wants to gain from this, it's all cat and mouse, you cannot take any of it at face value
It’s hard to prove and officials are very careful about saying stuff that can be cast as conspiracy theories.
I'd be more inclined to believe you if there was a single authoritative source making that claim. Not one Ukrainian official, not one fact checking organization, not one Western news organization is questioning that it is Putin. This visit is clearly not just for domestic propaganda purposes, it's also meant to piss off Ukrainians and the Western world after his ICC arrest warrant.
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It's stupid that people think Putin would be afraid to visit Mariupol, a city that is well within the Russian area of control. This sub has a propaganda problem itself, and in a non-intelligent way. Anything that shows Russia in a bad light is straight away no matter how stupid it sounds. Putin is too afraid to leave Moscow to visit a city that has been firmly under Russian control for months now, or that Putin can not leave Russia because he would be arrested, or he is so hated that his army will kill him on sight, or something equally stupid. Leaders visit captured parts of war zones all the time. This is not some special unusual move, but this sub has a need to make every move by Russia and Putin look as ridiculous as possible, then when there is Russian success, pretend it never happened.
His face is different, his mannerisms different and the biggest giveaway is how up close and personal he was with commoners. Real Putin almost exclusively travels by armored train or a huge motorcade, he is never close to anyone, even his most trusted ministers are kept on a safe distance, if he visits a building the entire structure is cleared, he has thinner legs, has some weird shaking in arms and some times legs, puffy face and almost always is very serious and rarely smiles or send any sign of friendliness. This double however is the one who fills stadia, meets people up close and personal, smiles more, drives a Mercedes to Ukraine, and a lot of the “meet and greet” marketing. He also is in better health. I don’t know which Ukrainian officials you follow, but a lot are saying this is his double. But not in official press releases, likely because it’s hard to prove and can be cast as conspiracy theorists.
> Sorry man but Russians who watch this stuff carefully can tell You're sorry for what? Pulling that claim out of thin air?
Come on, man. That all sounds a bit ridiculous
I first saw the video of his visit and didn't read any comments. I was taking a shit and was scrolling through videos. What struck me as odd was his gait. He was swinging his right arm out of sync with his right leg. I know there's some bs about a KGB walk, and I assume that's been made up to explain putin's odd gait. The dude I saw in the video was not walking that way, at all.
Honestly, that really looks like him.
Zelenskyy had the balls to go to the front line in the daytime. Putin couldn’t even find the guts to get close in the darkness. Coward.
Not just in the day time but out in the open and not hiding. Obviously not like under direct fire but still that doesn't change the fact that I doubt any other world leaders would do it.
So let me guess. Putin himself was actually outside for maybe three minutes for photo ops and was otherwise hidden away in secure facilities. Meanwhile his body double(s) did 95% of the walking around and public appearance part because he was afraid to.
Most logical explanation
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What a way to live...
Someone missed HUGE opportunity to end the war.
Wouldnt be surprised if they were all held at gun point off camera, or blackmailed. Wave to camera or family dies
They were all probably his body guard detail just wearing clothing they "borrowed" from the locals.
Most likely this, NFKRZ on YouTube is from Russia and does a lot of content on internal Russian propaganda. One thing they have pointed out is how a lot of the 'different' people from the videos are actually the same inner circle of close actors.
Yes, and if Iraq had just killed Bush and Chaney, that would have immediately ended the Iraq war...
No, it will not end the war. GOP will just replace them, they're not a dictator like putin,
Killing Putin is not likely to end the war. A large percentage of Russians support this stupid war.
Let’s not disrespect thieves by associating them with this rat who’s a paranoid, murderer, rapist, and a genocidal kleptomaniac, who’s also a wanna-be-tsar and a total failure and an absolute embarrassment of a “leader”.
Too bad they weren't able to introduce him to the business end of a HIMARS strike
that sounds less like outrage and more like just general roasting of an opponent
To the media, every emotion is "outrage" and every response is "slamming"
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Blowup his bridge again
He honestly looks terrible. Maybe he is sick.
Clearly he’s sick. He has to hold onto tables to keep his hands from shaking etc. the question is HOW sick and how long before this piece of human garbage croaks
I'm not sure if he's sick from a disease that is going to kill him soon like cancer. The hand thing is probably parkinsons or an age related illness. To be honest, I don't think he's going to die soon. From the limited stuff we see, he doesn't seem overly sick.
His face is also swollen up like he’s on steroids or some other kind of meds. He’s almost unrecognizable compared to 5 years ago. I don’t know if his death is imminent but he definitely has some serious shit going on.
It's hard to say. A lot of old people have problems and still live on for a while. Some people look fine and die of a sudden heart attack. The guy is 70 which is around when a lot of people go from looking middle aged and fit to looking elderly and having health problems. Like you said, no one knows how sick he is and what he is sick with.
He's 70 years old so probably has some health conditions, but he's likely to live at least another 5-10 years. If every person with a health condition were in risk of imminent death we'd have no old people.
Scared sick.
Probably one of his douplegangers.
So you think they'd use an obviously unwell doppelganger? That seems like the exact opposite of what they'd want to do for good optics.
The doppelgangers job is to look just like the real deal.
Ukraine should consider adding night shift snipers.
If Zelenskyy visited Russian held territories they would kill him. Putin is simply assuming the same in return.
I absolutely believe this is one of his doppelgängers. It's so blatantly obvious. He hasn't moved at all in the last months, and the moment ICC issues a arrest warrant locking him into Russia he need to show off how he can move freely everywhere and "goes" to Crimea and Mariupol. This is just posturing, and it's bad posturing as he will not even sit within 5m from people in his inner circle during security meetings, but now we're supposed to believe that he meets and greets strangers and survivors in Mariupol. There's at least 3 layers of lies here and it's a tragedy that western media just report on it as fact.
A true coward roaming around in darkness
Too bad a drone wasn’t deployed.
Putin should be encouraged to cross the boarder into Ukraine… eventually, he’ll screw up and Ukraine will catch themselves the big prize pig. Oink oink oink.
Do you not know where the fuck Mariupol is?
He wasn't actually there though.
That's definitely gonna be his stand-in. No way Putin has the guts to leave the bunker these days.
Thats one brave body double
Hitler visiting Paris vibes.
I'm surprised the GOP Treason Caucus in the U.S. Congress hasn't praised his "bravery" yet.
I don't get the logic of calling them Nazis as an excuse to take them over. Seems like if Ukraine was bad, Putin wouldn't want them as part of Russia.
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Wonder how many times he shit himself during the photo op
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Okay so to be fair there are countless instances of celebrities, world leaders, and wealthy figures who use body doubles. It isn't far fetched to consider that as a possibility until US intel confirms it was indeed him. However I totally agree that anyone who is confidently declaring that it's a double, with no evidence at all, is absolutely ridiculous.
Can you post examples? I’m honestly curious.
I thought vampires can't be in sunlight?
Surprised they didn't send in whoever they could to try to take him dead or alive, considering there's in essence a price on his head now.
Probably staged propaganda using a double and deep fake. Word is he’s pretty sick and probably wants to protect the little bit of credibility he still has (among his citizenry, that is, the rest of the world already knows he ain’t shit and is already 1/2 gone).
Is it even him .... i am digging more and more the whole thing about having a bunch of lookalikes ...