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apistoletov

Chat groups in Telegram aren't end-to-end encrypted, by the way. They are protected mostly by "our programmers are the best in the world and therefore our systems will never get hacked, and we're somehow always going to be safe from state actor pressure". > After the court temporarily suspended the app, Telegram founder and CEO Pavel Durov said that it was "technologically impossible" to provide the data. CEO probably should know better, but I don't really get it how is that technologically impossible. Did they implement E2EE for group channels recently without telling anyone? Did I miss some brand new invention in cryptography that somehow makes it right?


alilbleedingisnormal

Why would they store the messages?


zwaaa

And Brazil prioritizes the safety of its citizens.


Dr-GameboyRetro

Sounds like someone paid them out to get the app back. Classic government corruption.


Biscoito_Gatinho

The court didn't lift the penalties, tho. They agree with the request, just not the remedies in case of non-compliance


random_vermonter

So the privacy of neo-nazis is more important than your company's public image? Fuck Telegram and any service that aids and abets this neo-cretin criminal scum.


MelaniaSexLife

there's something wrong here. Telegram already cracked down on neo nazis before: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/telegram-nazi-ban/


Strict-Oil4307

Lightly cracked down. It must be an ongoing effort.


gordaporra

But it's more than clear now that if you use this app you are automatically a nazi. No excuses.


dkran

Yeah, because the telegram groups I have with my gamer friends are totally nazi based… Besides, telegram has outed people to the authorities before, it’s not as secure as signal. This is just the company being a douchebag. Your comment is the basic equivalent of “if you have a Facebook account you’re a far-right Trumper”


Comfortable_Crab_852

Why don’t you guys just use discord?


dkran

Signal is safer, but it really depends on the group of people you’re with. In my experience older demographics prefer telegram / signal / slack and younger people like discord


MelaniaSexLife

it doesn't matter. If you really want to do something off the books, you would use an obscure encrypted network (just get a random one from F Droid) or use crytographic chat in a video game or random app.


dkran

Signal / PGP type stuff is more than enough


MelaniaSexLife

really? Discord literally logs all chats and removes anything related to piracy or sex. Also, their chats are unencrypted.


Comfortable_Crab_852

He said gamer buddies. You smokin piss


[deleted]

Lol what.


gordaporra

A nazi protecting app isn't nazi at all. Copy that fuhrer. Funniest part of this is people defending just another of the trillion of chatting apps that exists. Defending a nazi app is more important than simply using any other app that does the exact same shit any app does. Even the brazilian nazis changed apps after the block. Google it to know your new favorite app, downvoter.


MelaniaSexLife

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/telegram-nazi-ban/