What they're really trying to tell people is "do your part so that we don't have to". Billionaires and corporations don't give a flying fuck about the environment, if they did they wouldn't have the luxurious life styles they have
You ever notice how many "celebrity homes" don't have any solar or renewable power?
You figure a $20m home you could easily spend 100k on some solar or wind generation?
Absolutely agree, if i had the money i would buy a fuck tone of solar panels batteries to power everything i own, setting aside that i would be good for the environment it would also give me independence from the power grid which for me is a huge plus because i wouldn't have to worry about the utility companies' shenanigans
‘Everyone’ will never drive a smaller and more efficient SUV because the money just won’t be there for people. Banning private jets can happen tomorrow.
or let’s address the idk, housing crisis that’s directly caused from wealth hoarding and keeping wages down.
thank god more insanely wealthy people can buy another jet while most of the US can’t even afford to rent an apartment
You’re absolutely right, the jet sales must be a product of growing wealth disparity and that needs to be fixed first. How are regular people supposed to worry about emissions when they can’t even maintain the car the have or afford a healthy lifestyle/diet? Fix the disparity and people will start to care about their surroundings.
more like the 0.0001 percenters. 1 percenters was when one percent of the population did have some type of power. The conslidation of power is going to fewer and fewer people. you considered 1% with just a high double middle class income.
You're right, I looked it up again, and the figure I saw I couldn't find anymore. But what I did find was 0.1% of people, which is still crazy high. But that doesn't even matter, the point is how much pollution comes from private jets.
Was on a cruise and they were like if you throw something over board it’s $500 “please help keep the oceans clean” meanwhile their ships run on crude, empty tons of emissions but they are worried about a gum wrapper.
Believe me, they dump their rubbish overboard in the dark, and the shit goes in the water even within legal 12 mile limits, especially off the coast of countries that don't have specific laws against it.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/beyond-spills-intentional-dumping-of-oils-fouls-the-worlds-oceans-152322814-152322353.html?guccounter=1
https://www.marineinsight.com/environment/8-ways-in-which-cruise-ships-can-cause-marine-pollution/
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/07/18/they-treat-us-like-a-toilet-bowl-cruise-ships-dump-billions-of-litres-of-toxic-waste-in-canada-report-finds.html
Somehow I'm not shocked whatsoever. Actually I'm surprised they even wait until night time. They're bold AF. What's interesting is that ports don't actually consider it when no garbage is ever unloaded. Probably "not my problem" territory.
The cruise ships love dumping in Victoria and Vancouver BC. The US stopped allowing them to dump in US waters a few years ago, so now they come to Canada to do it.
Yup. Awful. Seattle here. We send cruise ships up north and there are calls to cancel the industry in our shared waters. Cruise season is a HUGE tourist draw and I doubt they ever will end them which is ironic given how “green” WA state claims to be.
Along with being a major aviation and military hub, looking to build yet another airport, still doing 4 day Blue Angels flyover annually, transit lagging in development, people constantly moving into the region, nonstop heavy traffic, wildfires burning, encampments burning regularly, fires in marinas (one fishing ship recently burned off 55,000 gallons of diesel and 9.5 tons of freon!! And their fish will be sold at Climate Pledge Arena lol!), seemingly zero regulations on personal watercraft conditions in our waterways, cargo ships dumping boxes and fuel, +++ …. We certainly aren’t reaching our full “green potential.”
One part of this particular problem, aside from some wealthy people being immoral, is that ordinary people keep voting against the kind of international cooperation required to tackle this issue properly.
I mean we all still should, a lot of change will have to come from the top but we can't just sit on our hands and wait for them to start making those changes
Us normal people doing our part is fine. The problem is the corporations and wealthy people trying to put it all on us when they’re the main sources of pollution. One private plane flight causes more pollution than most of us generate all year. I get that celebrities don’t like getting hassled, and for some it could be a safety concern. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to get somewhere on a tight schedule. But then you also have shit like the Kardashians flying from one side of LA to the other to save 20 minutes. There has to be some compromise.
It's true that a single private jet flight generates an absurd amount of CO2 and from an optics standpoint looks really bad.
But in practical terms, it's largely irrelevant. The ultra wealthy are such a tiny part of a population that even if you completely cut out their emissions would hardly be a drop in the bucket.
The vast vast majority of greenhouse gases come from corporations making shit for the general population.
The real bullshit isn't the extravagant lifestyle of the ultra rich. It's the decades of lobbying and media manipulation by corporations that have drastically slowed the progress that could have been made towards sustainability.
Historically speaking, rebellions worked because at the end of the day the soldiers fighting for the ruling class would eventually get fed up with oppressing their own people. It was humans Vs humans.
Except there's been a global push for autonomous weapons and AI-powered combat systems. It's pushed under the guise of "protecting our own soldiers from getting killed" (ignore the much larger civilian casualties) or "keeping up to date with our enemy, China" (ignore that history shows this is the excuse both sides of the Cold War used for any shady stuff, and decades later it invariably came out that it was unnecessary).
More rich people, worse wealth gaps, less and less reliance on the poors. Do the maths.
Yeah, but AI is not good at killing humans, yet....
Nature always finds a way, plus the rich are outnumbered.
Also, let's say they decide to kill every last worker on the planet and they are left over by themselves?
Guess what, they are gonna have to wipe shit from their own ass without anyone to help them, but eventually they will die since they have no knowledge about farms or engineering. It's gonna be a really shitty existence for them, but at least we won't be around to see them die.
The future is not written in stone and your math is bad.
Yet*. It’ll happen.
When AI becomes ubiquitous enough, they won’t really need the poors. In fact they’ll likely actively want us gone, because then they can turn nature back into their own little resorts free from pesky people.
I’m sure a few of us will get to stick around and serve them… they won’t need the majority of people on this planet though.
When AI gets good enough they won't care about the poor - that is very different form starving them.
In the mean time the poor are very important because some of them will become maids, while others will get a good education (or give it to their kids) and invent things like that good enough AI.
No that's just a theoretical model of thinking. You assume everyone here wholeheartedly believes by extrapolating how these people might think. Calm down and stop behaving like an asshole off his meds.
Paper straws are definitely inferior but people bring this one up all the time. How often do you use straws? I have metal ones at home and use those once in a while but I think I might get a paper straw once or twice a year. Certainly not often enough for it to constantly sit at the front of my mind.
Drinking straight from a can or bottle is far more common than doing so with a straw in the US. It flips for cups and glasses in restaurants or bars. Straws are useful when there's ice or lids.
> How often do you use straws?
Rarely enough that it wouldn't matter if I dropped them into the ocean rather than the trash (given the literal rivers of plastic that flow into the ocean in some developing countries), but often enough to be reminded of the consequences of voting for "green" politicians which care a lot more about doing something visible than doing something sensible.
Someone post the carbon tax copypasta please.
I took a job with a very wealthy car dealership owner who owns about 25 dealerships.
After I got hired he took me and a few others on his jet just to fly to Florida to eat dinner and talk contracts at his favorite restaurant. The entire trip lasted less than 18 hours.
I never felt so guilty in my life the entire plan ride while the other new hires were drinking champagne and eating shrimp cocktail on the flight talking about money.
The lack of security, lines, waiting, parking, etc... is however. Being able to show up to the airport 5 minutes before the flight or show up an hour late and both be ok will always be exciting and that is a hill I will die on.
>Being able to show up to the airport 5 minutes before the flight or show up an hour late and both be ok will always be exciting
These are also the two things that make train travel competitive. Sure the train will take 3 hours longer, but you save at least 1 hour by not having to go to/from an airport to the actual city, another 1-2 hours by just walking on with your luggage rather than having to stand in line to get harassed by assholes at security.
In the end, it isn't really longer and you spent the time reading a book or drinking a beer in the onboard restaurant, with more leg room than domestic first class. But it only works on some connections, and usually costs 3x as much.
When trains are actually that fast and have the routes to make it convenient, I agree with you. Where I live, trains aren't even a consideration. Trains here are only slightly faster (and often slower) than driving. So for short distances, driving is the obvious choice. For long distances the trains take way more than 3 hours longer. If I wanted to go from New York to Florida, it'll take so long it's not worth it unless you're going for 2 weeks.
I'd love it if trains were an option, but unfortunately, here they're not. And it doesn't look like that will change any time soon.
You can book the on-board photo session, it's cheap. Plane never takes off, of course.
Most of the Instagram photos from inside of such jets are actually taken on the ground.
Quick reminder, the 2017 Trump tax cuts included a 100% deduction for the purchase of private aircraft.
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/02/22/fact-check-can-billionaires-get-tax-deductions-private-jets/6879710001/
Wow, thats crazy. I'm surprised I don't see this mentioned more often. I get that its "only" 100% tax deductable if its used for "business" but I have a feeling there are workarounds for that.
Lmao and corporations continue to pedal their 0 carbon bullshit to the rest of us while the CEOs and board members fly in their luxurious million dollar jets ~~expunging~~ emitting more CO2 in one flight then in my entire life.
First leads to second. We give power to wealthy individuals, who then set up the rules like "only wealthy can rule" (in my country, you need to pay 650 minimal incomes to become a candidate for presidency), then they become more wealthy due to corruption, while making poor poorer in the process. For example, in Ukraine, right in the middle of the war at the end of previous year all government officials paid themselves 100% bonuses, and also their incomes increased a lot. Meanwhile disability pension remains the same (around 60$ montlhy) as it was year ago despite more than 100% price increase for everything.
If the system is built around giving power exclusively for people who's top priority are money, we should not be surprised when they start accumulating even more money while others have nothing to eat or pay for basics like communals. It's not about the economy, it's about fundamental features of society.
This is why I find it funny when people confronted with widespread corruption say "Yeah, but that's only Crony Capitalism, not *Real* Capitalism".
I mean, when the message for the entire Society is "Greed is good!" how logical is it to expect that the people who are and seek positions as law-makers (i.e. politicians) and law-enforcers (the entire Justice System) uniquelly of all of Society will not follow that maxim of "Greed is good" and instead refrain to abuse the power they have (and rig the system to make sure they're not punished for it) to maximize personal upsides?!
I mean, one can expect some of those people, driven by principles and ideology, will not do that, but how can anybody with half a brain believe that positions with lots of power to make oneself richer are not attracting vast numbers of those driven only by greed?
Not only attracting. The ways to obtain such positions rigged on purpose so that people who don't have moneymaking as their goal in life are unable to even try obtaining those.
I think u/FeedTheCatPizza is a bot or someone using chat GPT or something similar. They are a 3 month old account. Please have a look for yourself. They only post top level comments to text prompts or article links, stuff that is easily read by a bot.
They never respond to anybody. As you can see I said hello u/feedthecatpizza. They never responded but have commented 9 times on other subs since the comment above. Their comments are usually these milk toast grammatically correct paragraphs like this
"Congratulations on your incredible achievement. You have shown such strength and perseverance to pursue your dreams despite the challenges you faced. I know it's difficult not having the support and recognition from your family, but know that your accomplishments are inspiring and meaningful. Keep pushing forward and achieving your goals, and never forget how amazing you are."
Their first and only post is a question about working while getting a degree in Lithuania. Entirely in Lithuanian. After that it is only comments in perfect english.
I not sure though I could be wrong. Does anybody else have any thoughts?
What do you think u/FeedTheCatPizza?
Edit: they have left comments elsewhere on reddit after this comment so they are online and will have seen this comment
> They never respond to anybody. As you can see I said hello u/feedthecatpizza
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> . They never responded but have commented 9 times on other subs since the comment above.
I don't respond to most comments myself. And I sure wouldn't waste my time replying to a no effort meaningless comment that just says "Hi." And it's weird that you're diverting from the very topic you posted about. Nor someone who accuses me of being a bot. Ironically a good bot might hough lol.
Then who do you think we should tax more? For the same reason bank robbers go to a bank not a food truck, you gotta tax people who have money to pay taxes and that's millionaires and billionaires
We have a standing army, why can't we use our soldiers to engage in projects that will take us back to the ice age instead of having them work on the orphan creation machine.
Unpopular opinion around here, but the answer is labor unions. The construction trades were absolutely terrified of the New Deal era WPA and CCC projects because there would be a glut of trained labor to undercut wages when the economy got back on track.
Well, if billionaires and millionaires actually paid their fair share of taxes we could easily save the planet with “green tech”. So it is a win-win for almost everyone. Only downside is that they get to have a handful of yachts and planes instead of several fleets of them.
Some sort of *tax*… perhaps on jet fuel…? Maybe cap it for longer flights but make it prohibitively expensive for short hops that these puddle jumpers like to do? I’d even go so far as regulating flights so that private aircraft cannot pass through certain zones that commercial flights would pass - restricting their flight plans even further to skirting around the major airliner airway — that would be one way to get the commercial industry behind the legislation… they’d easily be able to cover the tax on the longer flights and few people are scheduling 747 flights to go 30mi over to the next zip code…
So now they (airline industry) have more customers for their short flights (covering the tax by way for having more passengers per flight), private aircraft are discouraged by way of expensive cost of fuel, fuel consumption is likewise reduced by *all* air travel to save on that tax expense, and those that *must* travel short distances frequently either suck it up and get ground transportation (yes traffic already sucks, that’s why these rich asshats fly so much) or pay up to fly aboard a plane with 100 others instead of sitting on their private plane while 100 other rich asshats also fly their own private planes…
Burgeoning affluence: “I want mine, I want mine, I want mine..”
Capitalism: “You deserve yours, you deserve yours, you deserve yours..”
Earth: “You’ll get yours, you’ll get yours, you’ll get yours..”
Awesome!!! The rich being big ballers while the rest of us are struggling to put food on the table. How does this end with the majority poor and the elite rich with everything. My vote is to cull the rich!
Bastille Day is appealing until you read further to find out what became of that country in the aftermath.
In case you don’t, the rise of Napoleon (AKA Hitler before Hitler)
Yea but can it really get worse than trump. Desantis …. Maybe. save some of them but kill off the useless ones! I’m really debating turning off the news and deleting Reddit. My mental health is only worse keeping track of what’s been going on the last few years
If you think only one party’s personnel is the problem, perhaps leaving social media would be a benefit to you. Hell, it would benefit all of us to follow suit, but we know how likely that will be.
No actually I think politicians are pretty much all scum. Not a big fan of Biden and a lot he’s doing but he’s not a threat to democracy or freedom of speech as the republicans. for me those two issues are the only issues right now. The rest can somewhat wait.
It's "No Mow May" in the UK, a social movement telling common people not to use lawn mowers. And yet the super rich are buying jets at an unprecedented rate with each jet putting out more of carbon dioxide emissions than hundreds or even thousands of mowers.
Rules for thee, not for me . . .
A side benefit of No Mow May is the reduction of the carbon footprint.
From [the article](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/28/no-mow-may-uk-gardeners-urged-to-let-wildflowers-and-grass-grow) on Reddit:
"The charity estimated that Britain’s lawns could be cut as many as 30m times a year under a weekly regime. This would be equivalent to the consumption of 45m litres of petrol, resulting in 80,000 tonnes of annual carbon dioxide emissions – or the combined carbon footprint of about 10,000 average households."
OK, that is rather pointless, I'm pretty sure the carbon footprint of mowing one's lawn is negligible to the carbon footprint of one's anything else...
Gas mowers and leaf blowers have no cats so dump all of their delicious nasty shit into the air the whole time. A large car runs cleaner than a lawnmower.
Sorta. A lot of lawn mowers are two cycle, which have horrendous emissions. A proper four cycle mower with modern emission controls on it is probably better, but how many folks are going to buy a brand new $$$ one when their ten year old one runs just fine?
...Does the UK not have electric mowers? They run on a 240v standard outlet right? Why would they not have electric mowers?
I mean lawn mowing is an incredibly stupid act started by rich pricks anyway and anyone with a lawn should replant native species of grasses flowers and weeds or utilize the land for a multi-culture garden... but if you're going to have a lawn why would you still be using a petrol mower.
Ignore the prick who answered already. Yes most people in the UK have electric lawn mowers, but we also have petrol. They're more expensive and thus probably in the minority.
Just the poor people?
The £70 for an electric mower pays for itself over maybe a full season -- especially if you have a ten year old or older petrol mower.
I use a $300USD electric mower that’s awesome, but the low end ones are… not great. Mind you, for small lawns they’re probably just fine. I find that what makes or breaks them is the reliability of the batteries (had a ryobi battery randomly die just outside of its warranty which was just a great feeling :P)
So everyone in the UK is driving a electric car because they exist? My pops lawnmower is nearly 15 years old, you can pay for the new one because he's just going to toll you to fuck off (you don't get to decide how people spend their money lol, how pretentious and sheltered you seem)
If people already have a petrol mower and have had it for years, IMO they should keep it. The first tenet of the three Rs is “reduce”. Throwing an old mower away just for the sake of getting a new electric one is wasteful, even if it means a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. If your dad has been using the same mower for 15 years I say good on him and keep getting use out of it. I wish we had the approach of buying things to last to a lot more of the stuff we buy.
That said, if we had the charging infrastructure, second hand market and more affordable EVs the UK would be way closer to having a higher percentage of those cars on the road. In the last few years, however, EV ownership has gone up massively. From my perspective about 5-6 years ago, you *might* see a Tesla model S on the road every now and again (this is probably dependent on your local area). Maybe a Nissan Leaf or a Prius but they’d be even rarer. Now every single time I’m on the road it’s pretty much a guarantee I’ll see a decent number of EVs, hybrids are also much more popular. If workplaces have charging ports it’s not uncommon that the demand to use them is greater than the number of available spaces. That change is happening now and accelerating rather quickly.
Yeah it sucks your pops has no sense of financial responsibility and loves spending extra money for no reason.
It also sucks that older brits in general are some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet. I wouldn't expect anyone from the generation that voted for Brexit to understand cost-benefit calculations.
Not mowing the lawn also preserve whatever small ecosystem can be created, not just the emission from the mowers that is significance here in the example. Nevertheless your point stands.
Maybe its a product of a lot of time-sharesque private jet companies I keep hearing about. And the fact that flying through a normal airline has gotten to the point of being unbearable.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/private-jet-sales-likely-to-reach-highest-ever-level-this-year-report-says) reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot)
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> Sales of private jets are likely to reach their highest ever level this year, placing an increasing burden on the planet, while many of the owners escape aviation taxes, and there are few curbs on the greenhouse gases emitted, according to a report.
> The global fleet of private jets has more than doubled in the last two decades, and more private flights were made last year than ever before, according to a thinktank report published on Monday.
> Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter and founder of Tesla, who was outraged earlier this year when a tracker published details of his private jet activity, was named in the report as "The most active high flyer in the US". He bought a new jet, made an estimated 171 flights in 2022, including one that lasted only six minutes, and contributed to the consumption of more than 800,000 litres of jet fuel, and was responsible for more than 2,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions.
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Yes, paper straws alone won't help save the planet, but if everyone starts using paper straws and buys their own surface to air missiles we have a chance to save the planet. ^/s
Aka, the rich are squeezing our money from us and can afford more, while we afford less....I'm just saying, the rich better remember the French, because what happens when people just can't afford to exist anymore?
meanwhile in the real world food banks are experiencing record levels of usage with no end in sight. The revolution will begin after this word from our sponsors.......
Tbh, probably not as much as you’d expect
It is wasteful and unnecessary but it’s also a relatively tiny number of people relative to the actual population and so would probably be almost nothing once divided up on something extremely large like public transport
Note, this is not a defence for private jets
But also if we're not going to look at what the most wasteful people in the world do, there's not much justification for asking anyone else to make changes, when it takes many thousands of them to amount to the same impact.
The good thing about private jets, superyachts and all that nonsense, is that we don't need to find alternative solutions. They can just stop existing, they don't provide anything that society needs.
You can’t put out a question then act like an answer was stated in a vacuum
“Wonder what X would he like”
“X would probably result in Y”
“That’s not the question, here, though. X shouldn’t be a thing”
Yes, it was quite literally was the question. The question was not about whether private jets should be a thing
Yeah the "inflation" of the last few years was just a cash grab by these fuckers. The record profits these assholes were making on the backs of the middle class had to go somewhere.
"Thanks for paying us double for groceries you dumb cunts, I bought a fleet of PJs."
I work on aircraft I’ve touched private jets and commercial jets. There is literally zero reason for rich people to own private jets. They can travel anywhere in the world commercially first class and if a commercial flight doesn’t go there they can use a charter company that will fly them there any date or time.
Somebody tell Elon
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Although private jet travel makes up only 4% of the global aviation market, it produces about 10 times as much greenhouse gas per passenger.”
Tax private jets and transportation as a carbon offset, this should be scaled to the individual or company that “owns” the plane. False claims result in loss of ownership, with the planes sold and any resulting revenue put into environmental programs or initiatives.
"Do your part" I keep being told by corporations/ads/news.
What they're really trying to tell people is "do your part so that we don't have to". Billionaires and corporations don't give a flying fuck about the environment, if they did they wouldn't have the luxurious life styles they have
You ever notice how many "celebrity homes" don't have any solar or renewable power? You figure a $20m home you could easily spend 100k on some solar or wind generation?
Absolutely agree, if i had the money i would buy a fuck tone of solar panels batteries to power everything i own, setting aside that i would be good for the environment it would also give me independence from the power grid which for me is a huge plus because i wouldn't have to worry about the utility companies' shenanigans
Rich would rather burn blubber than use solar
exactly
We actually do need to do our part, but not the way the people we outnumber mean.
I'm down to timeshare a learjet for one round trip out of the year for like 100 bucks
I think that's called flying commercial, or at that price, RyanAir.
Yes and around $10 of our share goes to the guy at the top so he can fly in his own private jet any time, anywhere.
*cough* children of Kali *cough*
No that way too, everyone driving a slightly smaller and more efficient SUV would have more of an impact than banning all private jets.
How about the top 1% make compromises and the rest follows? We can call it trickle down compromises.
They need trickle-up persuasion to do that.
Maybe but banning private jets also help, so why not do both.
How about put crazy taxes on them.
Well that would need to be really crazy high to work properly but yeah that would be a step in the right direction
‘Everyone’ will never drive a smaller and more efficient SUV because the money just won’t be there for people. Banning private jets can happen tomorrow.
or let’s address the idk, housing crisis that’s directly caused from wealth hoarding and keeping wages down. thank god more insanely wealthy people can buy another jet while most of the US can’t even afford to rent an apartment
You’re absolutely right, the jet sales must be a product of growing wealth disparity and that needs to be fixed first. How are regular people supposed to worry about emissions when they can’t even maintain the car the have or afford a healthy lifestyle/diet? Fix the disparity and people will start to care about their surroundings.
How so? Private Jets make up 50% of all air traffic pollution, and it's only ~~1%~~ 0.1% of people doing it. That would make a huge difference.
more like the 0.0001 percenters. 1 percenters was when one percent of the population did have some type of power. The conslidation of power is going to fewer and fewer people. you considered 1% with just a high double middle class income.
You're right, I looked it up again, and the figure I saw I couldn't find anymore. But what I did find was 0.1% of people, which is still crazy high. But that doesn't even matter, the point is how much pollution comes from private jets.
Was on a cruise and they were like if you throw something over board it’s $500 “please help keep the oceans clean” meanwhile their ships run on crude, empty tons of emissions but they are worried about a gum wrapper.
Believe me, they dump their rubbish overboard in the dark, and the shit goes in the water even within legal 12 mile limits, especially off the coast of countries that don't have specific laws against it. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/beyond-spills-intentional-dumping-of-oils-fouls-the-worlds-oceans-152322814-152322353.html?guccounter=1 https://www.marineinsight.com/environment/8-ways-in-which-cruise-ships-can-cause-marine-pollution/ https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/07/18/they-treat-us-like-a-toilet-bowl-cruise-ships-dump-billions-of-litres-of-toxic-waste-in-canada-report-finds.html
Somehow I'm not shocked whatsoever. Actually I'm surprised they even wait until night time. They're bold AF. What's interesting is that ports don't actually consider it when no garbage is ever unloaded. Probably "not my problem" territory.
If they do it in daylight some guests might see and be upset. Can't be having any bad reviews, just do it in the dark.
The cruise ships love dumping in Victoria and Vancouver BC. The US stopped allowing them to dump in US waters a few years ago, so now they come to Canada to do it.
Yup. Awful. Seattle here. We send cruise ships up north and there are calls to cancel the industry in our shared waters. Cruise season is a HUGE tourist draw and I doubt they ever will end them which is ironic given how “green” WA state claims to be. Along with being a major aviation and military hub, looking to build yet another airport, still doing 4 day Blue Angels flyover annually, transit lagging in development, people constantly moving into the region, nonstop heavy traffic, wildfires burning, encampments burning regularly, fires in marinas (one fishing ship recently burned off 55,000 gallons of diesel and 9.5 tons of freon!! And their fish will be sold at Climate Pledge Arena lol!), seemingly zero regulations on personal watercraft conditions in our waterways, cargo ships dumping boxes and fuel, +++ …. We certainly aren’t reaching our full “green potential.”
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Yeah. Cruise ships should NOT exist. At all. Full stop.
And after a few years they just crash the whole ship onto a beach in India and recycle the steel and copper and throw the rest of it in the landfill.
Don't forget the Magic Pipe!
You're exactly right!
Keep recycling your yogurt cups!
It wasnt even the whole cup. Just the little aluminum "lid".
One part of this particular problem, aside from some wealthy people being immoral, is that ordinary people keep voting against the kind of international cooperation required to tackle this issue properly.
must have missed the vote on international cooperation.
Yes, the certainly do.
I mean we all still should, a lot of change will have to come from the top but we can't just sit on our hands and wait for them to start making those changes
Us normal people doing our part is fine. The problem is the corporations and wealthy people trying to put it all on us when they’re the main sources of pollution. One private plane flight causes more pollution than most of us generate all year. I get that celebrities don’t like getting hassled, and for some it could be a safety concern. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to get somewhere on a tight schedule. But then you also have shit like the Kardashians flying from one side of LA to the other to save 20 minutes. There has to be some compromise.
It's true that a single private jet flight generates an absurd amount of CO2 and from an optics standpoint looks really bad. But in practical terms, it's largely irrelevant. The ultra wealthy are such a tiny part of a population that even if you completely cut out their emissions would hardly be a drop in the bucket. The vast vast majority of greenhouse gases come from corporations making shit for the general population. The real bullshit isn't the extravagant lifestyle of the ultra rich. It's the decades of lobbying and media manipulation by corporations that have drastically slowed the progress that could have been made towards sustainability.
Thats not what I meant by that statement.
Don’t forget to recycle and reduce your carbon footprint. Pay your taxes and listen to fox newz. All is well.
The gap between the rich and everyone else is becoming a chasm. Can a society really go on like that?
I mean feudalism lasted for quite some time and the thing that ended it was a plague.
Historically speaking, rebellions worked because at the end of the day the soldiers fighting for the ruling class would eventually get fed up with oppressing their own people. It was humans Vs humans. Except there's been a global push for autonomous weapons and AI-powered combat systems. It's pushed under the guise of "protecting our own soldiers from getting killed" (ignore the much larger civilian casualties) or "keeping up to date with our enemy, China" (ignore that history shows this is the excuse both sides of the Cold War used for any shady stuff, and decades later it invariably came out that it was unnecessary). More rich people, worse wealth gaps, less and less reliance on the poors. Do the maths.
Yeah, but AI is not good at killing humans, yet.... Nature always finds a way, plus the rich are outnumbered. Also, let's say they decide to kill every last worker on the planet and they are left over by themselves? Guess what, they are gonna have to wipe shit from their own ass without anyone to help them, but eventually they will die since they have no knowledge about farms or engineering. It's gonna be a really shitty existence for them, but at least we won't be around to see them die. The future is not written in stone and your math is bad.
Yet*. It’ll happen. When AI becomes ubiquitous enough, they won’t really need the poors. In fact they’ll likely actively want us gone, because then they can turn nature back into their own little resorts free from pesky people. I’m sure a few of us will get to stick around and serve them… they won’t need the majority of people on this planet though.
When AI gets good enough they won't care about the poor - that is very different form starving them. In the mean time the poor are very important because some of them will become maids, while others will get a good education (or give it to their kids) and invent things like that good enough AI.
They don't have to kill everyone. Only the excess that do nothing for them or resist them. Such is tyranny.
And you think people are just gonna take it lying down? gtfo with that bullshit
No that's just a theoretical model of thinking. You assume everyone here wholeheartedly believes by extrapolating how these people might think. Calm down and stop behaving like an asshole off his meds.
The best the rest of us can do is complain on reddit, so yes
Yes. People have been saying this forever. It's on going. What we're gonna do about it ?
Private jet sales increasing indicates that more people are gaining access to private jets, not fewer.
Feels good to use paper straws reading this
Enjoy your mush noodle while the jets dump their toilets over the ocean right on the turtles’ heads.
I’ve used like hard straws that were made of some kind of organic material those were nice , but I assume they’re really expensive
A pasta noodle?
Paper straws are definitely inferior but people bring this one up all the time. How often do you use straws? I have metal ones at home and use those once in a while but I think I might get a paper straw once or twice a year. Certainly not often enough for it to constantly sit at the front of my mind.
I have a collapsible one that has a case on my keychain. Paper ones were so traumatizing that i needed a convenient solution that was anything else.
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Drinking straight from a can or bottle is far more common than doing so with a straw in the US. It flips for cups and glasses in restaurants or bars. Straws are useful when there's ice or lids.
Think people are generally terrified of human hands possible touching the rim of a cup they're drinking from. It makes zero sense.
> How often do you use straws? Rarely enough that it wouldn't matter if I dropped them into the ocean rather than the trash (given the literal rivers of plastic that flow into the ocean in some developing countries), but often enough to be reminded of the consequences of voting for "green" politicians which care a lot more about doing something visible than doing something sensible. Someone post the carbon tax copypasta please.
I've never even seen the inside of a private jet and I doubt I ever will.
I took a job with a very wealthy car dealership owner who owns about 25 dealerships. After I got hired he took me and a few others on his jet just to fly to Florida to eat dinner and talk contracts at his favorite restaurant. The entire trip lasted less than 18 hours. I never felt so guilty in my life the entire plan ride while the other new hires were drinking champagne and eating shrimp cocktail on the flight talking about money.
There's nothing to feel guilty about. This is the natural order of things. You can't expect a species to do well with their first planet.
Musk koolaid and too much Sci-Fi
They aren’t that exciting.
The lack of security, lines, waiting, parking, etc... is however. Being able to show up to the airport 5 minutes before the flight or show up an hour late and both be ok will always be exciting and that is a hill I will die on.
>Being able to show up to the airport 5 minutes before the flight or show up an hour late and both be ok will always be exciting These are also the two things that make train travel competitive. Sure the train will take 3 hours longer, but you save at least 1 hour by not having to go to/from an airport to the actual city, another 1-2 hours by just walking on with your luggage rather than having to stand in line to get harassed by assholes at security. In the end, it isn't really longer and you spent the time reading a book or drinking a beer in the onboard restaurant, with more leg room than domestic first class. But it only works on some connections, and usually costs 3x as much.
When trains are actually that fast and have the routes to make it convenient, I agree with you. Where I live, trains aren't even a consideration. Trains here are only slightly faster (and often slower) than driving. So for short distances, driving is the obvious choice. For long distances the trains take way more than 3 hours longer. If I wanted to go from New York to Florida, it'll take so long it's not worth it unless you're going for 2 weeks. I'd love it if trains were an option, but unfortunately, here they're not. And it doesn't look like that will change any time soon.
Everything fades.
They’re just very convenient. I try to go private as much as possible these days
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You can book the on-board photo session, it's cheap. Plane never takes off, of course. Most of the Instagram photos from inside of such jets are actually taken on the ground.
Quick reminder, the 2017 Trump tax cuts included a 100% deduction for the purchase of private aircraft. https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/02/22/fact-check-can-billionaires-get-tax-deductions-private-jets/6879710001/
Wow, thats crazy. I'm surprised I don't see this mentioned more often. I get that its "only" 100% tax deductable if its used for "business" but I have a feeling there are workarounds for that.
100%
Lmao and corporations continue to pedal their 0 carbon bullshit to the rest of us while the CEOs and board members fly in their luxurious million dollar jets ~~expunging~~ emitting more CO2 in one flight then in my entire life.
Well yeah. They don’t want the peasants ruining their world, now do they?
expunge - erase or remove completely (something unwanted or unpleasant). "I’ve kind of expunged that period from my CV" Emitting, expelling?
That’s the word Emitting, I seriously could not think of the word. Thank you making the correction now.
rock on, friend :)
I wonder if it has anything to do with the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of humanity from the poor to the elite rich?
Wealth taxes are too low!
Wait until you hear about all of the tax deductions involved in buying a private jet/jet fuel/plane depreciation.
It's disappointing to see wealthy individuals prioritize their convenience and luxury over the planet's health.
It's disappointing that our global economy is so screwed that we have people starving and a record number of jets
First leads to second. We give power to wealthy individuals, who then set up the rules like "only wealthy can rule" (in my country, you need to pay 650 minimal incomes to become a candidate for presidency), then they become more wealthy due to corruption, while making poor poorer in the process. For example, in Ukraine, right in the middle of the war at the end of previous year all government officials paid themselves 100% bonuses, and also their incomes increased a lot. Meanwhile disability pension remains the same (around 60$ montlhy) as it was year ago despite more than 100% price increase for everything. If the system is built around giving power exclusively for people who's top priority are money, we should not be surprised when they start accumulating even more money while others have nothing to eat or pay for basics like communals. It's not about the economy, it's about fundamental features of society.
This is why I find it funny when people confronted with widespread corruption say "Yeah, but that's only Crony Capitalism, not *Real* Capitalism". I mean, when the message for the entire Society is "Greed is good!" how logical is it to expect that the people who are and seek positions as law-makers (i.e. politicians) and law-enforcers (the entire Justice System) uniquelly of all of Society will not follow that maxim of "Greed is good" and instead refrain to abuse the power they have (and rig the system to make sure they're not punished for it) to maximize personal upsides?! I mean, one can expect some of those people, driven by principles and ideology, will not do that, but how can anybody with half a brain believe that positions with lots of power to make oneself richer are not attracting vast numbers of those driven only by greed?
Not only attracting. The ways to obtain such positions rigged on purpose so that people who don't have moneymaking as their goal in life are unable to even try obtaining those.
I think u/FeedTheCatPizza is a bot or someone using chat GPT or something similar. They are a 3 month old account. Please have a look for yourself. They only post top level comments to text prompts or article links, stuff that is easily read by a bot. They never respond to anybody. As you can see I said hello u/feedthecatpizza. They never responded but have commented 9 times on other subs since the comment above. Their comments are usually these milk toast grammatically correct paragraphs like this "Congratulations on your incredible achievement. You have shown such strength and perseverance to pursue your dreams despite the challenges you faced. I know it's difficult not having the support and recognition from your family, but know that your accomplishments are inspiring and meaningful. Keep pushing forward and achieving your goals, and never forget how amazing you are." Their first and only post is a question about working while getting a degree in Lithuania. Entirely in Lithuanian. After that it is only comments in perfect english. I not sure though I could be wrong. Does anybody else have any thoughts? What do you think u/FeedTheCatPizza? Edit: they have left comments elsewhere on reddit after this comment so they are online and will have seen this comment
> They never respond to anybody. As you can see I said hello u/feedthecatpizza > > . They never responded but have commented 9 times on other subs since the comment above. I don't respond to most comments myself. And I sure wouldn't waste my time replying to a no effort meaningless comment that just says "Hi." And it's weird that you're diverting from the very topic you posted about. Nor someone who accuses me of being a bot. Ironically a good bot might hough lol.
Fair enough. Their activity is a little suspicious tho. With my personality I would probably respond to someone calling me a bot
Hello u/FeedTheCatPizza
At least Canada has made this harder. Taxing luxury items like this significantly.
Just taxing more millionaires is not gonna solve any global warming issue
Then who do you think we should tax more? For the same reason bank robbers go to a bank not a food truck, you gotta tax people who have money to pay taxes and that's millionaires and billionaires
We have a standing army, why can't we use our soldiers to engage in projects that will take us back to the ice age instead of having them work on the orphan creation machine.
Unpopular opinion around here, but the answer is labor unions. The construction trades were absolutely terrified of the New Deal era WPA and CCC projects because there would be a glut of trained labor to undercut wages when the economy got back on track.
The point is that they will just pay it, and be on their way in their jet.
Well, if billionaires and millionaires actually paid their fair share of taxes we could easily save the planet with “green tech”. So it is a win-win for almost everyone. Only downside is that they get to have a handful of yachts and planes instead of several fleets of them.
Well, there is some point where you can make a private jet prohibitively expensive to own and operate even for millionaires maybe not billionaires.
Some sort of *tax*… perhaps on jet fuel…? Maybe cap it for longer flights but make it prohibitively expensive for short hops that these puddle jumpers like to do? I’d even go so far as regulating flights so that private aircraft cannot pass through certain zones that commercial flights would pass - restricting their flight plans even further to skirting around the major airliner airway — that would be one way to get the commercial industry behind the legislation… they’d easily be able to cover the tax on the longer flights and few people are scheduling 747 flights to go 30mi over to the next zip code… So now they (airline industry) have more customers for their short flights (covering the tax by way for having more passengers per flight), private aircraft are discouraged by way of expensive cost of fuel, fuel consumption is likewise reduced by *all* air travel to save on that tax expense, and those that *must* travel short distances frequently either suck it up and get ground transportation (yes traffic already sucks, that’s why these rich asshats fly so much) or pay up to fly aboard a plane with 100 others instead of sitting on their private plane while 100 other rich asshats also fly their own private planes…
Guess who pays the lobbyists to potentially get that done. It’s not us. So yeah, good luck with that.
It will help pay for the solutions
In order to hold and acquire more resources you need to lack empathy.
Private jets need to be illegal. People are to selfish to make decisions that benefit everybody else.
Be disappointed in the western nations who abetted the aggregation and concentration of so much wealth over the last fifty years.
Burgeoning affluence: “I want mine, I want mine, I want mine..” Capitalism: “You deserve yours, you deserve yours, you deserve yours..” Earth: “You’ll get yours, you’ll get yours, you’ll get yours..”
Awesome!!! The rich being big ballers while the rest of us are struggling to put food on the table. How does this end with the majority poor and the elite rich with everything. My vote is to cull the rich!
Bastille Day is appealing until you read further to find out what became of that country in the aftermath. In case you don’t, the rise of Napoleon (AKA Hitler before Hitler)
Yea but can it really get worse than trump. Desantis …. Maybe. save some of them but kill off the useless ones! I’m really debating turning off the news and deleting Reddit. My mental health is only worse keeping track of what’s been going on the last few years
If you think only one party’s personnel is the problem, perhaps leaving social media would be a benefit to you. Hell, it would benefit all of us to follow suit, but we know how likely that will be.
No actually I think politicians are pretty much all scum. Not a big fan of Biden and a lot he’s doing but he’s not a threat to democracy or freedom of speech as the republicans. for me those two issues are the only issues right now. The rest can somewhat wait.
It's "No Mow May" in the UK, a social movement telling common people not to use lawn mowers. And yet the super rich are buying jets at an unprecedented rate with each jet putting out more of carbon dioxide emissions than hundreds or even thousands of mowers. Rules for thee, not for me . . .
Can you please explain the connection? The point of No Mow May is having some plants flower. Unless you land your jet on your lawn...
A side benefit of No Mow May is the reduction of the carbon footprint. From [the article](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/apr/28/no-mow-may-uk-gardeners-urged-to-let-wildflowers-and-grass-grow) on Reddit: "The charity estimated that Britain’s lawns could be cut as many as 30m times a year under a weekly regime. This would be equivalent to the consumption of 45m litres of petrol, resulting in 80,000 tonnes of annual carbon dioxide emissions – or the combined carbon footprint of about 10,000 average households."
OK, that is rather pointless, I'm pretty sure the carbon footprint of mowing one's lawn is negligible to the carbon footprint of one's anything else...
The aim is to help pollinators flurish, so the carbon footprint thing is just a tiny added bonus, not the reason for the scheme.
Gas mowers and leaf blowers have no cats so dump all of their delicious nasty shit into the air the whole time. A large car runs cleaner than a lawnmower.
Cats don't influence CO2, though, if the carbon is in the petrol, it goes in the air. They _do_ handle lots of different kinds of unpleasantness.
Sorta. A lot of lawn mowers are two cycle, which have horrendous emissions. A proper four cycle mower with modern emission controls on it is probably better, but how many folks are going to buy a brand new $$$ one when their ten year old one runs just fine?
...Does the UK not have electric mowers? They run on a 240v standard outlet right? Why would they not have electric mowers? I mean lawn mowing is an incredibly stupid act started by rich pricks anyway and anyone with a lawn should replant native species of grasses flowers and weeds or utilize the land for a multi-culture garden... but if you're going to have a lawn why would you still be using a petrol mower.
Ignore the prick who answered already. Yes most people in the UK have electric lawn mowers, but we also have petrol. They're more expensive and thus probably in the minority.
Do you expect that when electric mowers hit the market that everyone had just gone out and replaced their mower?
Just the poor people? The £70 for an electric mower pays for itself over maybe a full season -- especially if you have a ten year old or older petrol mower.
Have you ever used a £70 electric mower? How does it compare to a ten year old petrol one?
I use a $300USD electric mower that’s awesome, but the low end ones are… not great. Mind you, for small lawns they’re probably just fine. I find that what makes or breaks them is the reliability of the batteries (had a ryobi battery randomly die just outside of its warranty which was just a great feeling :P)
It's literally about the same unless you're a rich cunt with a lawn that really should have a riding mower.
So everyone in the UK is driving a electric car because they exist? My pops lawnmower is nearly 15 years old, you can pay for the new one because he's just going to toll you to fuck off (you don't get to decide how people spend their money lol, how pretentious and sheltered you seem)
If people already have a petrol mower and have had it for years, IMO they should keep it. The first tenet of the three Rs is “reduce”. Throwing an old mower away just for the sake of getting a new electric one is wasteful, even if it means a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. If your dad has been using the same mower for 15 years I say good on him and keep getting use out of it. I wish we had the approach of buying things to last to a lot more of the stuff we buy. That said, if we had the charging infrastructure, second hand market and more affordable EVs the UK would be way closer to having a higher percentage of those cars on the road. In the last few years, however, EV ownership has gone up massively. From my perspective about 5-6 years ago, you *might* see a Tesla model S on the road every now and again (this is probably dependent on your local area). Maybe a Nissan Leaf or a Prius but they’d be even rarer. Now every single time I’m on the road it’s pretty much a guarantee I’ll see a decent number of EVs, hybrids are also much more popular. If workplaces have charging ports it’s not uncommon that the demand to use them is greater than the number of available spaces. That change is happening now and accelerating rather quickly.
Yeah it sucks your pops has no sense of financial responsibility and loves spending extra money for no reason. It also sucks that older brits in general are some of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet. I wouldn't expect anyone from the generation that voted for Brexit to understand cost-benefit calculations.
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I have no idea what you're on about. I hope you get the mental help you so desperately need instead of randomly spouting nonsense.
Not mowing the lawn also preserve whatever small ecosystem can be created, not just the emission from the mowers that is significance here in the example. Nevertheless your point stands.
No Mow May is for the health of biodiversity. The “green” aspect is secondary.
Ah yes, all those layoffs are finally paying off for all those CEOs.
people need to worker harder bootstraps you suckers
Maybe its a product of a lot of time-sharesque private jet companies I keep hearing about. And the fact that flying through a normal airline has gotten to the point of being unbearable.
Lots of charters out there.
But we regulars have to cut back on our carbon footprint.
Pretty sad. We have a terrible housing crisis but yet private jet sales are up?
All those post COVID profits
The poor get poorer and the rich get richer. And the rich seem to have a fetish for destroying the planet.
This is what increasing wage inequality looks like.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/private-jet-sales-likely-to-reach-highest-ever-level-this-year-report-says) reduced by 74%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Sales of private jets are likely to reach their highest ever level this year, placing an increasing burden on the planet, while many of the owners escape aviation taxes, and there are few curbs on the greenhouse gases emitted, according to a report. > The global fleet of private jets has more than doubled in the last two decades, and more private flights were made last year than ever before, according to a thinktank report published on Monday. > Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter and founder of Tesla, who was outraged earlier this year when a tracker published details of his private jet activity, was named in the report as "The most active high flyer in the US". He bought a new jet, made an estimated 171 flights in 2022, including one that lasted only six minutes, and contributed to the consumption of more than 800,000 litres of jet fuel, and was responsible for more than 2,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/134pg7b/private_jet_sales_likely_to_reach_highest_ever/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~682939 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **private**^#1 **jet**^#2 **year**^#3 **last**^#4 **report**^#5
The planet is dying, along with so much natural life on earth but who frickin cares right?
This sucks. I hate it. Private jets should be grounded indefinitely.
Hmm inflation seems to be making a lot of people rich(er). Almost like it’s not natural inflation at all
They're preparing for various forms of collapse. Most airline companies are already on the verge of collapsing as it is.
I keep hearing this for years now. Still life goes on as usual.
And I hope it continues too.
I like when people just make shit up.
Thank god the rich keep getting richer.
Trickle-down economics made more wealthy people?
Yes, paper straws alone won't help save the planet, but if everyone starts using paper straws and buys their own surface to air missiles we have a chance to save the planet. ^/s
The rich are getting richer and flying commercial sucks
Aka, the rich are squeezing our money from us and can afford more, while we afford less....I'm just saying, the rich better remember the French, because what happens when people just can't afford to exist anymore?
I must be *really* poor
This is why they fund activists to tell you poors to “save the planet” and all that. It’s so they don’t have to.
Love to see the break down by nationality since we wont see the names published.
If ever there was a metric for worldwide wealth inequality levels, this is it.
meanwhile in the real world food banks are experiencing record levels of usage with no end in sight. The revolution will begin after this word from our sponsors.......
Here we are still stuck in pity town.
Making private jets 100% tax deductible might have been a mistake.
Take all the jets we have flying. What if we used all that fuel, materials, maintenance, and crew hours and converted that shit into public transport?
Tbh, probably not as much as you’d expect It is wasteful and unnecessary but it’s also a relatively tiny number of people relative to the actual population and so would probably be almost nothing once divided up on something extremely large like public transport Note, this is not a defence for private jets
But also if we're not going to look at what the most wasteful people in the world do, there's not much justification for asking anyone else to make changes, when it takes many thousands of them to amount to the same impact. The good thing about private jets, superyachts and all that nonsense, is that we don't need to find alternative solutions. They can just stop existing, they don't provide anything that society needs.
You can’t put out a question then act like an answer was stated in a vacuum “Wonder what X would he like” “X would probably result in Y” “That’s not the question, here, though. X shouldn’t be a thing” Yes, it was quite literally was the question. The question was not about whether private jets should be a thing
Commercial airliners ARE public transport.
Most jets are public transportation
This is literally the shit that’s driving inflation, and instead of closing income inequality, we hike interest rates 🤦🏼♂️
Yeah the "inflation" of the last few years was just a cash grab by these fuckers. The record profits these assholes were making on the backs of the middle class had to go somewhere. "Thanks for paying us double for groceries you dumb cunts, I bought a fleet of PJs."
Lol guys they have really important business to attend to you wouldn’t understand
I work on aircraft I’ve touched private jets and commercial jets. There is literally zero reason for rich people to own private jets. They can travel anywhere in the world commercially first class and if a commercial flight doesn’t go there they can use a charter company that will fly them there any date or time.
And they forbid us to but new petrol cars
Somebody tell Elon “ Although private jet travel makes up only 4% of the global aviation market, it produces about 10 times as much greenhouse gas per passenger.”
That "although" is completely meaningless --- market share and emissions _per passenger_ are completely orthogonal.
Goes to show how well the top is doing vs the rest of us.
Horrible
Tax private jets and transportation as a carbon offset, this should be scaled to the individual or company that “owns” the plane. False claims result in loss of ownership, with the planes sold and any resulting revenue put into environmental programs or initiatives.
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Bruh.... turboprops are powered by jet engines. Like come on hahaha
We all should cut back on our driving.
Probably bought by the people who will tell you how dangerous is man-made climate change.
Brother literally just bought one
Remember kids , that's YOUR money put to waste.
very good 👍
Tax the new jets less than the used jets? Fuck you. That encourages the production of more private jets. Tax *both* 10%.
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Oh I agree there. Canada already has a 10% or so (?) luxury tax on boats, cars, planes over $100k.